Bailout Backlash: 'AAA downgrade haunts Germany & France'

[shaw3257]

I thought he was a cartoon character at first...

[GrowTheTruth]

When I watch the news these days and see revolutions, natural disasters and economic collapse, I can't help but feel that we're living in a giant soap opera.

[Sliepnir2006]

@GrowTheTruth Maybe not so far from the truth, because soap operas are loosely or maybe not so loosely are based around real life, in a funny or exaggerated kind of way. Sort of like the Sims even or some other computer games are also comparable.

I suppose that is why many people like soaps, it maybe that in some way some of them reflect their own lives whilst others just watch just to gain relief from the monotony of existence!

[ytgv3fc7]

@UltmtSniper LOTS of people who understand fraud & understand Austrian economics knew all of this was coming 120 years ago, and 10 years ago. Do not claim that no one saw this coming: the rest of the sheeple told the smart people to shut up. We bought gold and said "see you when you're a slave" and now you are.

[ytgv3fc7]

@UltmtSniper no, it's robbery, not democracy, which has damned your nation of America.

[Sliepnir2006]

@ytgv3fc7 Hurumph, not just America though, kind of damned the whole of the West, as if Europe was any different. To be fair we are all in the same boat, all our democracies have been sold to the highest bidders whilst the Stock Markets and banks have issued their demands and blackmail through the supported media.

Pretty little much any of us can do, other than not buy things or demonstrate. The whole thing is a huge fiasco, we need massive political change!

[ytgv3fc7]

@Sliepnir2006 step 1: convert all paper cash to gold & silver except the transitional amount needed to endure until the papers vaporize. step 2: executions. step 3: arrests & prison time enforced by the people AGAINST the police & judges who are bribed to protect the guilty mafia AND to do it EN MASSE. For every officer send 100 machine-gun armed citizens to arrest him/her. For every bribed judge put them in isolation with NO CHANCE of bail EVER, until trial. Guilty? BULLET TO THE FACE

[ytgv3fc7]

"no other possibility"

WRONG.

There are 2 others: #1 no more loans & allow defaults

#2 no more loans & donate money free

adding more loans is the source of the problem. You never extend loans to those who can not pay. Ever.

[ELICIT23]

I sense this is going to get pretty big...

[ELICIT23]

@UltmtSniper good idea but lets be realistic... not gonna happen.

[Shonenut213]

The Germans should have extermnated ALL the evil Jewish cunts when they had the chance! Now Germany is suffering the consequences of not finishing the job.

[seaturtledragonfly]

@Shonenut213 you're kind of thinking is the problem, not the solution!

[pjperalta]

The banksters want the end of the Euro so that they can buy cheap all the assets in European countries, thus backing their infamous fiat monies - US Dollar and Sterling Pound. Revolution is needed now agaist the banks, to change the monetary system and to abolish stupid debts that are strangling human society. This is totally silly. But then, Europeans may be really dumb!

[greg357159]

Clearly.. Boycott all banks....clearly....put your money into food storage and guns.

[LordLolinghamThe3rd]

The Germans should stop these Jews, i'm not sure how though.

[3rdWorldGame]

Did anyone see what those dirty bankers put up in their windows at the chicago board of trade??? THEY ARE MOCKING US! STAND UP FOR YOUR FREEDOM! WE REFUSE TO BE DEBT SLAVES!

[KokoroSky2]

Only one solution : CANCEL ALL THE DEBTS !!! They are meaningless and artificial anyway, let the thieves payback !

[NewOrleansboii]

That reaction button is just useless

[jbrah69]

The top are meant to mess things up so the bottom fixes it. That is democracy.

[ChaosButterfly8]

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[Strange0ne]

oh no your debt status has been downgraded now your goverrnment must pay higher interest rates to pay off private debt foisted upon the public in already incermountable amounts essentially making you debt slaves for eternity! ! Gotta love the arrogance of the fractional reserve .rothschild banking system!

[waypastprime]

@Strange0ne And all the people need to say is a simple resounding NO.

[starrychloe]

This is not a bailout of Greece, it is a bailout of French and German banks which were dumb enough to lend to subprime Greece. Default or not, Greek government workers are screwed. To avoid default, layoffs are required. With a default, no one will lend the Greek government money and they won't have enough to pay all the employees.

[DanielShaysRebellion]

@mrpinks3 thanks, poetically just considering that all these fiduciary contracts foist upon the worlds people all emanate from admiralty law/contracts and lack full disclosure aka fraud according to the "Law of Nations" and UCC 1-308

pax

[sirshaneyboy]

"There's no alternative". Yeah right. No alternative to austerity, debt slavery, unemployment & the selling off of the nation's (= the people's) assets!

He's just another 'expert' for the elite, luring us into their total monetary dictatorship.

There is an alternative. Argentina did it. Iceland has done it. Throw out the bankers. Default on the debt. Leave the Euro. Devalue. Cut your losses. And:

START AFRESH!

Creditors will just have to take a "haircut" & perhaps sell the odd yacht!

Peace ;-)

[DanielShaysRebellion]

@sirshaneyboy Amen brother,though the haircut should be a shaved head or a scalping depending on the severity of the fraud by the individual,....... figuratively of course

pax

[javabarbarian]

End the Euro, restore your sovereignty, people of Europe.

[sirshaneyboy]

@javabarbarian

After the event, it is clear that the Euro was a cruel ploy to get all Europeans into the same boat - THE TITANIC!

The damage is so big that it could even bring down France & Germany...... Leaving the international bankers and the City of London rubbing their hands with glee.....

[sirshaneyboy]

@sirshaneyboy

Let me be clear, that the City of London is not the UK. This crisis is hurting the British people hard too. This isn't about nations. This isn't about class. This is about a tiny evil minority who have taken control of the politicians & the financial system. These people don't give a damn about race or nationality.... They're only interested in power. Power is the only game in town. If the good people of the world don't wake up & realise this..... Then it's game over for us!

[CosmicTopSecret]

You cannot solve a debt problem with more debt.  Isn't that, by definition, insane?

[sirshaneyboy]

@CosmicTopSecret

It makes perfect sense if you're the one receiving the interest payments!

ECB, BoE, IMF,.....

[starrychloe]

@CosmicTopSecret Not to the bankers holding the loans. It is a game of hot potato. They want to prop up the value of the bonds until they can unload them to a bigger fool.

[neko9]

Right now, our system is in the air, flying off the cliff. It's too late for braking and steering. It's done. Meanwhile, enjoy the view through the dirty windshield.

[HousekaterClaudio]

The ONLY solution for democracy, freedom and future is to GET OUT of the Euro AND the European Union!

Every country must keep their identity, their freedom and their currency which represents their economy! Every country should return to their currency and their sovereignty... and NEVER give it away!

[beltonism]

@HousekaterClaudio That is true. Local markets need local currencies. Having an european wide currency with these naturally local differences is utopian and doomed. It puts an uneccessary burdain on local markets to perform like something on a global scale. World currency is even more idiotic.

[Sliepnir2006]

@HousekaterClaudio I agree entirely we must not surrender our individual currencies, the Euro was a nightmare in the making, the Euro dream was false and the Euro was not based around individual countries, now they are in the clag.

These bailouts, were to save the face of the Politicians and the banks, not to help the people, they were made to protect their Mickey Mouse Money (the Euro).

As for the European Parliament, it is nothing more than a Nazi, or Stalinist style dictatorship.

[Forusim]

This shit has to go. Crash it already ffs.

[IPGAuto]

@Forusim - This shit needs to all collapse. The Elite need to be arrested, prosecuted by the people, get rid of the Fed. The rebord of the Republic needs to happen. Euro is a failure. Germany wants to leave it. They got the rights to reprint the German Mark. The United world, united nations is a failure. One world government is falling apart.

[hearv888]

seriously.... when are they gonna realize that loans DONT FIX ANYTHING.

[Mystery207]

Why am I getting unbiased news reporting from Russia? Does that make sense when I live in America? At least they can build a light bulb that won't break til they joined the free market

[DanielShaysRebellion]

How much good effort after bad can the people continue to throw at these situations Mr. Overtveldt? at some point in time one must decide to stop spending energy bailing bilge water and abandon ship so that the remaining energy can be spent swimming for shore. Don't hope to be rescued,..... produce something that will sustain you and your fellow castaways, and be cautious whom you share with next time

pax

fah~Que

[JRMCNEA]

Did this guy just suggest a one European government? NWO on its way people. These next few years are going to be crucial for human freedom.

[Baldwynmayhem]

@JRMCNEA indeed

[beta700a]

To default or not to default?

That is the question... for France! If Greece defaults, France fails, and then we'll get this nice domino effect accross Europe. That's why they try so hard to bailout Greece - not only because they want to ripp it off completley, but aslo because it is the weakest link, and if it defaults, others will fall.

[Devilock79]

@beta700a

Bullshit. Nothing will happen if Greece defaults. It's all fake money, how will it affect anything? The ECB will just print up more fake money to fill the hole after Greece leaves. The problem for the EU is if Greece defaults and leaves, then other countries will see it's not the end of the world if you leave. Ireland will follow, then Portugal and Spain, possibly Italy too.

[beta700a]

@Devilock79

"Nothing happens", you say? No, something actualy WILL happen, and it will be massive fail of fiat money system in Europe. That is WHY they try so hard to bailout Greece - to prevent it from happening. They want to keep this system as long as possible. This is the ONLY reason for bailing out Greece - to keep fiat money system alive. And don't you bullshit me again!

[DanielShaysRebellion]

@beta700a are you advocating for fiat systems or just angry about the systemic fraud? it seems like you both are arguing for reforms but the argue part has become paramount. please dont let the bastards divide good reformation intentions, thats when they use the Democracy card and sovereignty always looses out to mob rule wearing the sheepskin of democracy

pax

fah~Que

[beta700a]

@DanielShaysRebellion

No, I don't advocate it in any way, just trying to point out the reason for this idiotic bailout they are planning for Greece. The situation is critical and absurd - on one hand, Greece doesn't need any more debt (and it will never pay it), on the other hand, it's default will drag other countries down. Classic catch 22 ((( Wonder how it will turn out in the end... Unless they eliminate debt and start it all over with solid currency, there's no solution for this mess.

[DanielShaysRebellion]

@beta700a I completely agree. and when legal actions are involved many of us are stuck between the proverbial rock and hard place. Courts are a big part of this problem world wide, they must be slave to their masters, yet get to claim some perverse impartiality. how to facilitate a bloodless revolution? not sure yet.....you?

[DanielShaysRebellion]

@Devilock79 Iceland is a good template for starters, then P-I-G-S can modify as necessary

[roycpc464]

Greece an unreliable borrower? Greece was ripped off! RT Now would be a good time to report some truth and reliable information because this is getting really boring.

[beta700a]

@roycpc464

"unreliable borrower" is just a soft way to say "fucked up". and note, that this words come from the guest, and not from RT commentor.

[Hillsillverr]

HERE A PLAN, WHY DONT WE ASK THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!

[bladerunner123ish]

For me its about good and evil from within people,the greedy power hunger control freaks represent the Evil, the culture system is built towards Evil,the bigger the Bully the higher they get.

[kzjam]

occupy Brussels

[701shep]

give the banks fuckall let them all go bust i hav'nt borrowed nothing off them why should i through taxes have to bail them out

[TheRetiredtrucker]

@701shep Unfortunately, small businesses need banks. They dont have enough cash on hand to run on a monthly basis (paying for employees paychecks, supplies, utilities ect) while waiting for their customers to pay their monthly invoices. So we have to use a operating line of credit to run, no line of credit, no money to function day to day. I wish there was an alternative

[matheHQ]

Europe has about 700 Million inhabitants and the Greek debt is about 300 Billion Euro, right? How about this: Every European pays 430 Euro (that would set the Greek debts to zero) and in return, everyone gets a free vacation in Greece next year. And then, we will celebrate the biggest beach party in the history of Europe!

[80sMetalRuled]

@matheHQ LOL Right and that will in turn...bring us right back to where we are at now once Greece pays for that "free vacation" yea that's a good idea lol.

[gingowitch]

@thealexjoneschannel blocked me! they are cowards, afraid of what i speak directly and concisely concerning circumcision and evil americans. these fat losers think they are smart but they purposefully ignore the problem of circumcision and american evil because they are liars and hypocrites. infowars is illegitimate and cowardly. afraid of me and they don't know me even. they will say things like i am a cia agent because i speak the truth.

[Littlefoot3559]

what is supposed to happen is supposed to happen if satan wants to take over the world let him do it and russia and china by the way arent better than the usa i dont trust any nation not even the nation i live in i trust my creator only let all nations go to hell i dont give a fuck all they want is to enslave all nations under one world government controlled by the satanic bankers they want to spread their satanic regime all over the world let them do it be my guest i dont care your scum.

[barbelotta]

russia is attacking euro zone again

[annynameatall]

@barbelotta have you not had a look at latest news.its not russia attacking,its the scumbag banksters.

[jgig22]

off with there heads

[BabylonsKing]

Did you see what happened on Wall Streets Bank of Satan or America as they call it last week? They had a RUN on the BANK and called the SWAT TEAM IN TO SAVE THEIR SORRY ASSES from Closure due to being INSOLVENT....Things are getting out of hand here in America like the rest of the World...BUST THEM BANKSTER BASTARDS.

[intuitiveexplorer]

This global crisis is all solvable if the entire world, including the wealthiest, worked together to do so.

[QPWimblik]

Why not have a world currency, a zone currency and a national currency. the complexity would not rise by much at all because the main complexity is already in the system.

[gingowitch]

@QPWimblik END CIRCUMCISION AND CIRCUMCISED BANKING!

[TheUrbanDharma]

greater centralisation was the plan all along. the elites knew the Euro as is wouldnt last long, but it would be accepted by (some) people. Now we have a crisis and surprise surprise the solution is centralisation and less democracy. Things will get so bad though and the fear will be pumped up so that people will start begging for a Euro super state.

[OghamTheBold]

AAA - as in - AAArgh!

EU members are rope tied together - being dragged toward a precipice - by an elephant that has already gone over the edge

But wait - the elephant is flapping its arms - are we witnessing a miracle?

Nope

[xBloodXGusherx]

Anissa ! :))

[Wylff]

RT now got more subs then Aljazzera. =)

[Legendhalfliferrr]

@Wylff it hasnt yet unfortunately

[BrowseMyChannel]

Countries around the world are saying they are broke. This is a ploy to fool the People and introduce a One World Currency. The Banks were Bailed Out by the People and they will eventually Merge to form a One World Banking System .

The System will continue to Fuck the People . They have to in order to maintain their power over the People.

Occupy Toronto , Canada on October 15th.

[Whistlejocket]

The bailouts always come from the 99%ers.

[1977Melville]

That RT host's blouse is awfully low cut : )

[Whistlejocket]

@1977Melville I love it.

[1977Melville]

Let it all collapse so we can building something new, honest, and strong!!! How many friggin bailouts can the planet do?!

[janenba352]

Greece default! Germany leave the EU!

[mphet26]

@tapio232 it is say citizen of country wich lead 10 wars at same time)))))

[megamogx]

Either the American Empire will collapse, Or the Rothschilds empire will collapse(THE FED, JPmorgan. European banks,The IRS,AIPAC,ISRAEL,ETC ETC ETC)

Austerity is nothing more then bailing them out!

Will you let the NWO-OWN you?

Ring? of Power: Empire of the City-Full Length Documentary

/watch?v=4w-A54h_GQ8

"If you want to remain slaves to the bankers and pay the costs of your own slavery, Let them contiune to create money and control the nations credit"

-Sir Josiah Stamp

[BNPpatriot]

Merkel = traitor to the German taxpayer..VOTE THAT BITCH OUT AT YOUR NEXT OPPORTUNITY!

[mrblack61]

When we the 99% are stupid enough to let banks control the quantity our money and create it as debt! Well, weve no-one to blame but ourselves!

[matheHQ]

Don't worry about Germany. If worst comes to worst, we'll dig out all our hidden Nazi gold. ;-)

[firefox666moll]

@matheHQ us & USA stole your'e stolen gold and the Swiss have the rest , you still have ROLL'S ROYCE , BMW , PORSCHE & good strong bier , put them up for Auction .

[hoosierhiver]

Does anybody believe this AAA bullshit anymore?

[mphet26]

Government of Greece must pronounce default! it is only one exit in such situation - if currency system does not work what left for people?? But their parliament work not for greece citizens but for Deutsche Bank and IMF.

[Movingfrag]

Support them with LOANS? Loan is anything but support - it's TEMPORARILY given cash which country will have to RETURN with some interest. If the country's economic growth rate is negative it's not help - it's freaking DISASTER! Help the man who is drowning by giving him heavy stones to build a bridge to get out of water - that's how it looks now.

[ruflychux]

This system was made to FAIL when FIAT money was embraced by the world. Paper is NOT money. Gold and silver are the TRUE treasures. The world will continue in economic turmoil until the 1% ellites that rule the world and own all the gold decide to have mercy on us.

[ulgrum]

Lol so we either give up national sovereignty or the sky falls? Right... Arrest the banksters!

[TheReallitycheck]

Catch 22. Keep giving them fiat paper even if they cannot pay it back. OMG. This is what it has come down too. Scotty beam me up please.

[marco39120]

They better not downgrade Germany. If they start to lose money that will give raise to the Nazi and ultra far right, no one wants a repeat of that movie.

[matheHQ]

@marco39120 Nationalism and nationalist parties are weak in todays Germany - way weaker than in other European countries.

[crimsoncoin]

Banks have just stopped inter bank lending and are now restricting withdrawals

[TheReallitycheck]

@crimsoncoin where? who?

[plalelal]

@crimsoncoin Where? Any proof?

[crimsoncoin]

@plalelal its what bbc said, theyre all bluffing each other because theyre all bankrupt - theyve spent all your money

[Matsutom]

Don't be fooled! Those coins are filled with chocolate!

[crimsoncoin]

sitting on top of a great big needle must be painful

[pinball281]

cut z head off z snake

[nowzadick]

Is the world in a recession yet?

[firefox666moll]

YOU WILL ALL DROWN IN FIAT CURRENCY . INK ALONE WILL BE A BETTER COMMODITY , and we all need paper to wipe are arse.

[Galwaybanana]

the current system is designed to help the 1% and to hurt the 99%

[87solarsky]

@Galwaybanana so is hell!

[Unkn0wnV13wer]

@Galwaybanana

yeah ;)

[joepeeler34]

@Galwaybanana It's not the 1%. It's the .0001. Many of the wealthy don't benefit from a centrally planned monetary system. Fiat currency, centrally planned artificially low interest rates ( a direct subsidy to banks and finance), and central banks only help very few. It's far less that 1%--1 out of 100. It's more like 1 out of every 10,000.

It is government and the financial services sector that benefit. Everyone else gets an inflation tax and transferred purchasing power.

[AustralianAllTheWay]

Time to implement the "Venus Project".

[solunasunrise]

Ich hasse meine regierung für ihre sture selbsgefälligkeit !!!

[firefox666moll]

@solunasunrise we don't understand you.

[solunasunrise]

@firefox666moll FUCK YOU .... google translate .. thats waht i use wehn ever hvaing this in my head > ?????

[Beef1188]

Simply stop paying the fucking interest on the debt. What arey gonna do? Foreclose greece? Insolent bastards...

[JUDALATION]

Americans. If you are racked with non student Loan Debt, You should file for Bankrupcy, Even thoughn Bush made it almost IMPOSSIBLE.

[r0ll0t0masi]

Germany is bankrupt. Give them a "D"...

[Kokojin]

Greece don't believe the hype! Default! 

[Deathrepper120]

Thank You!!! =]