Agora Estreno 9 de octubre

[rinayYumi]

gracias a esta pelicula me empezé a interesar aun mas por el cine ( y eso que me gusta desde siempre) y amenabar se ha convertido en mi director preferido aparte de woody allen y spilberg XD

[qaplatlhinganmaH]

mira

wikipedia

Grecobudismo

[RideMyBMW]

Christianity pwns you filthy pagans

[themakingwavestribe]

on religion:- i cannot follow any religion who promotes suffering, fear, and killing of either humans or animals, it is anti religion. worse when manipulation pf the ignorant or illiterate is used for subjugation.

[rinayYumi]

AGORA VERY GOOD FILM

Alejandro Amenabar is the best director in Spain.

mmm Alejandro Amenabar and Pedro Almodobar

[elzymor1]

Part I. I am very eager to see this movie. I am a Hellenist and I read Hypatias history (Hypatia of Alexandria, By Michael Deakin). I hope the movie doesnt disappoint by being too Hollywood-ish and drift too far from the truth. All the Abrahamic religions - those who consider Yahweh the creator of the universe, brought darkness, misery, human ill, and stagnation to humanity lasting 1000 years and still going in some places.

[elzymor1]

Part II. Hypatias lonely voice, was the LAST one in an attempt to prevent the human downfall into that darkest abyss. Her death in the hands of the murderers Christian mob sent by Pope Cyril of Alexandria was as gruesome as their dogma.

[elzymor1]

Part III. While returning to her home from the library on her carriage, she was ambushed, forced off her carriage, taken inside the mobs church where she is beaten with clay roof tiles until she was dead. Her body was then taken outside their church where it was dismembered, and set on fire. The Pope Cyrils Christian mob murdered her according to their dogma: Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."

[antodios]

if you have the spotify:

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[kacadance]

Composer is Dario Marinelli, but i don't know the name of this song :( and i can't find

[ClasicCriminal]

Does anyone know the name of the music?

[CrusaderIXGR3]

Aight the Greek world! Filthy bulgaroslavs piss off already you have nothing to do with Greece nor Macedonia, a part of it.

[ixor363]

Zeus returns to punish the ignorants Christians.The light will shine again.

[sdvfghsdfh]

greeks never fought a day in their life, greeks are the famous gays of europe and the infamous cowards of the balkans

[sdvfghsdfh]

moron you are a slavic serbian/bulgarian reject

your destiny is to be a gay faggot bitch greek

[sdvfghsdfh]

you are a modern day slavic macedonian

your people have nothing with ancient people of the balkans

[igorbog88]

Listen Bugar... why don't you just go back under whatever rock it is you crawled from, ok?

I know you want me to be a Mongol like you so badly, but it's just not going to happen since I'm not. Get it through your thick heads.

[testmagox]

Makedonians are Greeks as Alexander the Great has been for more than 2,000 years now.This is 2009 you can't reverse the Human History!

Don't confuse the Slavs of FYROM with the Greeks of Makedonia!

[hepafos]

Lol to what you foolish and ignorant weak-link? Perish in your ignorance provocateur!

[Pilanus]

Hmm, I wonder if conquering the largest empire in the world at that time had anything to do with it. I mean that might be it.

As for the ethic arguments, what the hell does whose ancestors came from where, or Alex the great have to do with a philosopher lady in  4th century CE Egypt?

[RideMyBMW]

It took Christianity a mere 1000 years to accomplish what paganism never could in 50 000 : Abolish slavery, civilize 3 continents, create republican governnents and put a man on the moon.

Booh-yah ya fu&%in heathens!!!

[Pilanus]

2000* years, Second, Christians owned slaves for 1850 of those 2000 years, The Roman Pagans Invented Republics, long before the Christians, and Godless Science was what put a man on the moon. And they named the missions after pagan gods.

Although, Christianity did colonize 3 continents, only after mercilessly killing the millions that were already living on them. Oh yeah, and it also started a 1000 year feud with Islam that will probably kill us all. Good going.

[RideMyBMW]

"2000* years, Second, Christians owned slaves for 1850 of those 2000 years" - Pilanus

Wrong. Christianity became a "Civilization" around 800 AD.

[Pilanus]

Actually Christianity has never become a "civilization" It has always been a religion. Religions are fundamental aspects which can shape a culture, but religions are never in themselves a culture. No one is denying the place Christianity had in forming Western Civilization. In fact, Christianity is the single biggest force that shaped Western Civilization.

[RideMyBMW]

"The Roman Pagans Invented Republics" - Pilanus

Republican government is a Christian creation (Magna Carta). Romans may have had a Republic, but it was far cry from being a Republican form of government (not based on social compact).

[Pilanus]

Republic as defined in the dictionary is a government in which the leader of a state is not a monarch, AND that the people have at least some say in how their government is run. Rome was a Republic.

Great Britain is a Constitutional Monarchy, NOT a republic. The Official Leader is Queen Elizabeth II. The Magna Carta is a document Limiting her power, and giving more power to Noble-born Lords, and a little power to the commoners.

[RideMyBMW]

"Great Britain is a Constitutional Monarchy, NOT a republic" - pilanus

Debatable...but , unlike Rome, it WAS founded on a social contract nonetheless. BTW, the Roman people never voted for representatives, it was an Oligarchy at best. Hello ?

[MITHWORLD1]

are you happy?here´s your friend...be happy,please.life´s too short...

[Pilanus]

Actually the opposite is true.

The British Isles had no official founding, the closest they came to one is the Unification under the Normans, after the invasion in 1066. In 1801 it was Renamed to the United KINGdom from the Kingdom of Great Britain, not United Republic.

The Roman Republic was officially founded in 508BCE and based it on a Constitution that evolved over the next 400 years. And over that time, All Roman Citizens came to be eligible to both vote and run for all public offices.

[RideMyBMW]

"All Roman Citizens came to be eligible to both vote and run for all public offices." - pilanus

Thats the biggest crock o sh$% I`ve read on this thread. Like being an emperor is "public" office. LOL!!! XD you crack me up Pilanus.

[Pilanus]

I was talking about the Roman Republic, not the Roman Empire. They are different things. The Republic was conquered By Julius Caesar, a rogue Roman Politician and General. In the Republic, YES, all citizens could indeed vote and hold public office.

[RideMyBMW]

"Godless Science was what put a man on the moon" - Pilanus

Science was given relatively free reign within "Christian" European kingdoms and achieved its greatest contributions within the bossom of the greatest Christian Empire of all (Brittannia). It was the work done between 1700 and 1950 that got us to the moon.

[Pilanus]

"Science was given relatively free reign within Christian European kingdoms"

Only from the 16th century onward. In fact, this is actually defined by historians as dawn of The Age of Reason, which gave way to the enlightenment, and later the modern Scientific Process.

The Age of Science is defined by the use is defined by the use of the Scientific Method, The secular approach of Experimentation, and evidence gathering. This, and this alone is what got us to the moon.

[RideMyBMW]

"it also started a 1000 year feud with Islam" - pilanus

Crusades which got YOUR lab coats on track again...You like the towelheads and carpet kissin ? Thats your fu&%in problem. I , on the other hand, am willing to lay it all on the line for my Judeo-Christian heritage. It got us all where we are today you fu%$tard!!!

[Pilanus]

I am a Secular Buddhist, I view all religions equally. I feel that all people, regardless of what they believe are deserving of respect and dignity. Your Fanatical willingness to appose them, and The willingness of Fanatics in Islam to fight you back just as hard, this is what flies planes into buildings, kills hundreds and thousands of innocent people, and is setting all 7 billion of us an a course for disaster.

[RideMyBMW]

"Christians owned slaves for 1850 of those 2000 years" - pilanus

Hey! You dumb fu&%in pagan treehugger...can you read ? I said ABOLITIONSIM is a Christian creation. Christianity has accoplished in 1000 years what Paganism never could in

100 000 : Civilize 4 continents, ABOLISH slavery, put a man on the moon...oh yeah AND invent fu&%in books so you pagans could learn a thing or two.

[Pilanus]

I am not a Pagan, I am a Secular Buddhist.

Abolition of Slavery was actually first invented by the Persians. Cyrus the Great abolished slavery in the Persian Empire in 539 BCE

And yes, Christians Accomplished a lot, but they were building upon pagan foundations. Pagans invented, among other things: Language, Farming, Writing, Money, The wheel, Domestication, clothing, housing, fire, music, philosophy, architecture, art, math, literature, cities, civilization, and so much more.

[RideMyBMW]

"Abolition of Slavery was actually first invented by the Persians" - pilanus

Holy sh&% you ARE a fu&%tard...Dude, do you understand the word ABOLITIONISM ? I wouldn`t call some Persian King feeling a little magnanimous for couple of years "abolitionism".

[Pilanus]

Whether it stayed or not, doesn't matter He was the first to Abolish slavery.

Yes, the Christians started modern Abolitionism, but ONLY at the dawn of the Industrial Revolution, when Machine labor could replace slave labor. It was also the Christians that really brought slavery to its peak in the first place, eliminating the pagan form of slavery being about the enslaving losers of a war, but about race. If anything, Christian abolitionists were only making up for the sins of their ancestors.

[RideMyBMW]

"Yes, the Christians started modern Abolitionism" - Pilanus

Took you long enough, geeeepers!!! Dude you`ve been dodging the facts for bout a month. Is it gonna take me another couple months for you to finally acknowledge the superiority of Christianity over Paganism ?

[Pilanus]

My first comment was 6 days ago, I haven't been dodging any facts. Even if Christians were the ones that abolished slavery, after practicing it for nearly 2000 years, slavery is just a means of labor, and oppression, and besides, slavery is still with us today, abolished or not.

And no, Christianity is not superior to paganism, Islam, or any other belief or non belief. It's just one belief among many. The beliefs of one person or even many people are not superior to the beliefs of others.

[DoctorMirabilis80]

Cyrus the Great freed the Hebrew slaves after the conquest of Babylon in 539 BC but he didn't abolish the institution of slavery!!! That whole assumption is based on a fake translation of the famous Cyrus cylinder made by the Reza Pahlavi regime. The original text doesn't say a word about abolishing slavery and honestly, my friend, the simple notion of someone abolishing slavery in that historical time and place is quite preposterous.

[RideMyBMW]

"Cyrus the Great (...)didn't abolish the institution of slavery!!! That whole assumption is based on a fake translation of the famous Cyrus cylinder" - DoctorMira

Thank you for clearing that up Dr.Mira

[igorbog88]

Why are you talking to me?

[sdvfghsdfh]

shut your dumb faggot serbian mouth

[ixor363]

Bravo Amenabar.This is the true.The Greek-Roman world also is still alive.Never died...The light every day fight the darkness.science,humanism,evol­ution,dialog,

democracy against the only one book of the primitivs and ignorant Cristians.

[SteliosoMaltseh1]

burned all paganism now.!!!!!!!!!

[PerunsAxe]

the scene at :50 and the scene at 1:00 show the essence of what is Christianity, and then what is Neoplatonism.

[RideMyBMW]

"the scene at :50 and the scene at 1:00 show the essence of what is Christianity, and then what is Neoplatonism." - Peru

The essence of Christianity my dear banana muncher is that today your ilk is free to post your sh%$ on a forum and NOT be shackled to an oar , rowing your ugly ass off criss crossing the Mediterranean. Abolitionism is a Christian creation you blockhead! And thats just for starters...

[PerunsAxe]

First of all, the "banana muncher" comment is stupid, since I am white. Also, I am much more knowledgeable than you about the impact of Christianity on morality. It does espouse a slave morality. My point was the lack of true spirituality inherent in Christianity has caused the nihilism that we see today. Also, you should show some manners, you are coming across as if you were 14, "banana muncher", "ugly ass". Grow up!

[RideMyBMW]

"First of all, the "banana muncher" comment is stupid, since I am white" - Peru

xD!!! Wasn`t intended as a racial quip pal. But OK. The essence of Christianity is that today YOU are FREE to do sh%$. Back then, in Pagan times, we`d have been shackled to a fu%$in oar , rowing our arms to the bone on the Mediterranean. Got it ? So show a little respect for Christianity.

[PerunsAxe]

This is a complicated issue. First of all, the economy would have developed to the point that slavery was unnecessary(less agrarian, more industrial), even without Christianity. Also, the situation is much more complex than this. Again, I am dealing with the present nihilism that exists, and the role that Christianity had to play in it

[RideMyBMW]

"First of all, the economy WOULD have developed to the point that slavery was unnecessary, even without Christianity" - Peru

Would, shoulda, coulda...Heathens never did a damn thing in 10 000 years of Paganism. It took a ballsey Christian Empire (Britain) to destroy slavery. And thats just for starters buddy. Christianity trumps Paganism many, MANY times over.

[PerunsAxe]

As I said, there are many factors involved in an economic system. It was probably the move to an industrial based economy instead of an agricultural one that eliminated slavery. The antebellum South had slavery, and was Christian, whereas the North did not, and that was due to economics, not to religion. This is a complex issue, that needs to be dealt with from many perspectives. My original comment focused on the free thinking aspect of paganism over the dogmatic nature of Christianity

[skinwalkerxxx]

What is this movie about?

[MartinKrauen]

voww lighthouse of alexandria

[lumevin]

Hypatia encarna el arquetipo de la diosa.

Ella era gnóstica (del gnosticismo neolítico).

El arcóntico y depredador judeocristianismo intentó acabar con ella, como con la biblioteca de Alejandría.

Pero una mezcla de shintoísmo y gnosticismo en forma de meme está intentando parar lo ineludible.

Transhumanismo para paladar arconte.

Hail harushi!!!

[christe68]

it's a great movie,nothing to argue about.

[christe68]

Ancient and modern sources identify four possible occasions for the destruction of the Library of Alexandria: 1. Julius Caesar's Fire in The Alexandrian War, in 48 BC 2. The attack of Aurelian in the third century AD; 3. The decree of Theophilus in AD 391; 4. The Muslim conquest in AD 642 or thereafter.

[jeanguitton80]

Your comment only reveals ignorance: the christian Catechetical School of Alexandria was among the greatest learning centers of the ancient world as I stated before. Ever heard of Clement and Origen? And according to her student Synesius, Hypatia taught astronomy there, since the school was open to christians and pagans alike.

[christe68]

"my comments reveal ignorance" really?and what did I claim to deserve that comment? I don't care about the schools in Alexandria, based on MY experience, Catechism sucks and if you're going to argue about that then walk come look in my shoes!

[RideMyBMW]

"my comments reveal ignorance" really?and what did I claim to deserve that comment?" - Chris

Dude, quit while you`re ahead. Seriously, Jean`s about to pwn your ass big time. xD!!! BTW, Christianity BUILT Western Civilization from its Roman ashes so show some respect you ugly pagan.

[christe68]

Btw STFU now

act like a civilized manner please , I know more about her and thanks to Jean's.

[marcomangascortas]

Western Civilitation has been built by a oriental monoteism which adorates one oriental human. How could you be proud of this? Paganism is the original cult of Europe, Africa, America and the most part of Asia. Monoteisms are artificial cults originals from fanatics of Asia. Are you proud of this? This is degeneration.

[RideMyBMW]

"Paganism is the original cult" - marco

Dude, sorry to burst your stinkin bubble but Paganism got pwned 1500 years ago.

Like it shows in the movie , there was a freight train called Christianity screaming throughout Europe, if you were stooopid enough to get in its way you were crushed like a fu&%in dry fig leaf (ie: Hypatia). Booh- yah!!!! :D

[jeanguitton80]

And wikipedia is dead wrong when considers the decree of Theophilus as one of the possible reasons of the destruction of the Library, since it's well established that Theophilus only ordered the destruction of the Serapeum and the pagan temples of Alexandria. The Ptolemaic Library did no longer exist by 391 AD.

[christe68]

you are no more reliable than Wikipedia, listen I love debates but hate accusations like "Wikipedia is dead wrong"

please provide sources for your claims.

[jeanguitton80]

Now, if you do a careful search about Hypatia, you'll find that hear story it's regularly manipulated (at least, since Edward Gibbon's History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire) so it can be turned into a kind a parable about science vs. religion. Hypatia was killed primarily for political reasons, as we can read in the contemporary account of historian Socrates Scholasticus.

[christe68]

Ok I'm listening , what are these political reasons? you sound like a historian yourself.

[christe68]

also why was Hypatia killed by Cyril's assistant,peter?

[jeanguitton80]

I'll send you a private message.

[RideMyBMW]

"you'll find that her (Hypatia) story it's regularly manipulated" - jean

Like in this movie, which looks like yet another Pagan swan song. Dudes, Paganism was fu%$in dead by 400AD. Christianity was freight train roaring across the world. If you were stooopid enough to stand in its way ? Ya got crushed like a fig leaf. Period.

[SoraTakenouchi16]

no serious historian claims that herodes killed jewish children when Jesus was born and everybody believes that

[agneslaney]

Hi, i was also in this film as a christian extra. can,t wait to see it. Do you know when it will be released for viewing?

[christe68]

it will be released October 2009 if not December 2009

[christe68]

this movie involved Hypatia of Alexandria who was then killed by a Christian mob, such a great movie.

[college288]

Hypatia's played by Rachel Weisz, yes? her death was so brutal! I wonder how it will be depicted.

[SoraTakenouchi16]

as I´ve heard isn´t going to be as horrible as it really happened

[marcomangascortas]

El brutal asesinato de Hypatia por hordas mesiánico-cristianas fue sólo una de las muchísimas atrocidades que cometieron los monoteístas judeo-mesiánicos entre los siglos IV y IX d.C.. Ello cambió el mundo de facto, sumiendo a Europa en la oscuridad intelectual y en el feudalismo, una vez consumado el genocidio de los paganos de Europa y Próximo Oriente. Vuelvan a Europa los cultos que le son propios y extíngase el culto oriental monoteísta de los judeo-mesiánicos!

[alexrsuarez1]

It was the Christians not Cesar who burned the library.

[jeanguitton80]

The Royal Alexandrian Library was burned by accident during Caesar's campaign in Egypt during 48/47 BC! This historical fact is attested by 4 independent ancient sources: On the Tranquility of the Mind by Seneca; Parallel Lives by Plutarch; Attic Nights by Aulus Gellius; Roman History by Ammianus Marcellinus. The christian Patriarch Theophilus ordered the destruction of the Serapeum in 391 AD not the Library, who was no longer in existence by that time. I hope that this film gets that right!

[AsteriosAtene]

The royal library was just damaged during caesar's campaign, proof that many sources:

Strabo during his voyage in egypt (20-25 ad) worked in the library (see "geografia") and Suetonius in "live of the twelve caesars" says emperor Claudius realized an enlargement of its buildings.

Problably the libary was destroyed during the war between Aurelian and queen zenobia, in 270 ad, but the christian pogrom against gentiles and jews in 391 is a fact.

Exoriare aliquis nostris ex ossibus ultor!!!

[jeanguitton80]

Well, you're making a slight confusion, I'm afraid. Both Strabo and Suetonius mention the Musaeum of Alexandria, not the Royal Ptolemaic Library itself! Probably, many books were saved from Caesar's fire and transferred afterwards to the Musaeum and the Serapeaum. It's difficult to tell from the ancient sources what really happened, hence the disagreement among historians. And we should also remember that Alexandria was devastated by a massive earthquake and tsunami in the summer of 365 AD.

[jeanguitton80]

Tu regere imperio populos, Romane, memento (hae tibi erunt artes), pacique imponere morem, parcere subiectis et debellare superbos!!! ;)

[SoraTakenouchi16]

what does it mean?I wanna learn latin,OMG

[christe68]

actually,some historians do claim that the library survive Caesar's campaign but then later burned by Christians.......either way , this movie still holds the fact that Christians did many atrocities to the Pagans.

[jeanguitton80]

No serious historian claims that. The Ptolemaic Library was burned by accident in 48 BC when Caesar's legions set fire to the egyptian fleet stationed in the great harbour of Alexandria and the Musaeum was probably destroyed in 270 AD during the war between emperor Aurelian and queen Zenobia of Palmira. At the time of Hypatia, the greatest learning center in Alexandria was the christian Catechetical School called Didascalia, where theology, philosophy, mathematics and astronomy were taught.

[christe68]

hmmm Catechetical schools yeah right...based on my experience Catechism is the worst thing...

[jeanguitton80]

It should also be noted that in the christian school of Alexandria blind students were taught to read and write through wood-carving techniques, 1500 years before the invention of Braille.

[SoraTakenouchi16]

hypatia was horribly killed by fanatic christians because her ideas were against the faith for them,

[casti1965]

At last! Al fin! A movie about how a new faith begun by giving hopes to the suffering and then it became such a political ideal that it transformed into such an oppressing force that people killed in its name.

I wonder what Alexander the Great would have said if he were told that the last remains of his empire would have been destroyed by Christianity

[Suppressingfire]

i worked in this for a few days, i was a christian in the part of storming the jews.

[raquelita40]

i can't wait to se how Oscar Isaac did in this movie! it looks great!

[lumus86]

Este hombre empezo con Tesis y fijaos donde ha llegado, me encanta, que máquina.

[freilen]

Que ganassss de verla ,tiene q ser buena si es de Amenábar :))

[audreymarie783]

it will be a great movie i can assure that! cos i was involved in all this! i was an extra on the movie set! originally the title was mists of time but the title was changed to agora! i`m really happy that this movie was shot in malta! i`m maltese and i can assure you that i was simply great to meet the crew staff and the actors!!!! love you rachel ;-)

[E2704G]

HI, i was also an extra in this film, and as you said above it is intersting to have a film like this to be filmed in malta. i think i know you, i am the other goziten who was there as an extra :) oh i can't wait for the film to be in the cinemas.

[agneslaney]

hi, i was also in this film as an extra. Can't wait to see it, do you know when it will be released to the public

[isildae21]

SO EFFING AWESOME!!! Finally a movie about the ancient world I WANT TO SEE!!!

[CEIVE4EVER]

Yeah, a movie about the ancient world, but late antiquity, when cristians began to purse pagans and killed them. This isn't a movie like others about ancient world.

Anybody made a film about this, it's interesting.

[ojancana24]

omg!!