is not about the style, it's about the practicioner..... Bruce lee and Ouyama-sensei ,its a genius martial arts who understand their own style ,body, mind and hardwork
of course is very relative, try to make fight ya sanshou or wateva of monkey style with fighters like Lechi Kurbanov.. and I've neva seen any kunfu of taekwondo masters killing bulls with empty hands.
something like that is used in spetsnaz fight systm. not everybody can learn that, but karate is more efficient in avarage people who don't go live shaolin temple for 5 years. my amelikan is not vely good , hope u undelstand me.
@kord127 Really do you watch videos of kung fu practioners because average people who practice combat orientated kung fu are just as effective as karatekas. The shaolin temple is not the only place to learn karate my friend.
@juanbo96 gracias pero no es para tanto dentro de unos dias subire un gran video de grandes maestros del kyokushin y otras artes y asi retomare otra vez el subir videos ademas este era de los primeros que subi y no lo hice muy bien
@bishketflux bruce lee either never lost a fight..he never really faught in competition i think but still..he was the strongest martial artists..he kick someone and the guy said it was about a car's impact..he is also one of the fastest kicker of all time.
@R3dTigerM40A3 Well actually he is not one of the fastest , he IS fastest , in movies they had to slow down fighting scenes a bit to see his punches and kicks ... i read that few years ago in old newspapers... i was shocked
@bishketflux he is strongest too..he can do push ups sets with over 250 lbs plates on his back + 1 handed+ 2 fingers pushups set. that man is unbelievable
Mr. Lee was a great martial arts actor and a good teacher but Mr Oyama was a great Karateka and a teacher of Karate. Mr. Oyama was tested by boxers, martial artist, wrestlers and never tasted defeat. He fought 200 Black Belts back to back for two days. He killed bulls with his hand. He founded Kyokushin Kai karate, at it's peak it had more then 15 million students covering 120 countries. Both helped popularize the martial arts one through movies the other by doing. Osu
@1banryukyu Bruce Lee didn't just do movies he showed it off like in his demonstrations he showed his nigh uncatcheable speed and how he can injure a person with the one inch punch.
Mr. Lee made his impact on the world through the Martial Arts movie, he was a very good Martial Artist but Mr. Oyama made his impacted on the world by going all over the world and testing his Martial Arts skills, then movies were made about him and his style. Osu
@1banryukyu actually bruce lee went throughout the whole world and combined his skills with others jeet kune do is considered the ancestor of todays MMA. Mas Oyama created his own karate style which is probrably the most respected one.
@SunWukong4 wrong lol mas oyama encouraged his students 2 cross-train, many of them were judoka as well as karateka, kyokushin is based on muay thai, shotokan, goju-ryu, taikiken, judo etc etc. No offence, I respect bruce lee alot, but he wasn't on the level of oyama, who dedicated his whole life to martial arts, bruce lee was an actor/martial artist, there in different leagues lol mas oyama spent 18months alone on a mountain training in the wilderness - dnt fink many ppl wud do dat nw lol.
@MUEEN007 You know bruce lee was considered the father of mma because he showed the world mixing martial arts. Many martial artist don't think of advertising mixing martial arts but bruce lee took advantage of his popularity and showed everyone the values. He mixed boxing and jujitsu and judo as well kung fu together. Mas oyama did have superior training but bruce lee training made him nigh unchatchable and otherworldly strong as well he had a healthy nutrition.
@Flyingtart How could Mas Oyama be possibly the father of mma. K1 is kickboxing not MMA and technically Bruce Lee was the first to bring out the idea of mixing martial arts throughout the world, think about what you are saying.
Eeh K1 isn't kick boxing. It's mixed martial art, and based on Oyamas idea that different systems should compete against eachother. Did Bruce Lee found UFC or what? Nope. Actually submissions etc and what you would define as "MMA" was applied a long time after the first UFC event (Gracie etc you know).
@Flyingtart Do you even know Mas Oyama let alone Bruce Lee because no one ever said anything about Mas Oyama having anything to do with MMA, you seem like an individual.
"...technically Bruce Lee was the first to bring out the idea of mixing martial arts throughout the world, think about what you are saying."
There were many famous martial artists before him. Oyama for example. Considering Bismarck was one of Oyamas idols as a young man you can clearly see how he early in his life had the idea of unifying different teachings to a single great one. Thus "the strongest karate", and also with Muay Thai influences and self defence judo teachings.
@Flyingtart tell me something is there any MMartist that credits Mas Oyama in anyway let alone father of MMA. Mas Oyama represented his karate only, how often do you hear kyokushin having to do with MMA (Not talking about the practitioners of kyokushin I'm talking about the style) Jeet Kune Do was credited for demonstrating crosstraining with jujitsu,judo, kickboxing, and kung fu together, also bruce lee showed gloves that resembled what was in MMA. You need to take these into account.
Almost nobody in UFC or K1 have studied Jeet Kune Do.
Some who have done Kyokushin and Seidokaikan practicioneers in MMA:
Andy Hug, Bas Rutten, francisco filho, Dolph Lundgren, George St Pierre. Look up K1 vs Kyokushin challenge too. Kyokushin karate is a mix, a MMA and Jiu-jitsu and judo elements may be taught, even if not used in ring fighting. Also the style arranges open tournaments where other martial arts may participate. This was a fact long before Lee became famous by TV...
@Flyingtart Think about it, look how similar jeet kune do concepts are to MMA. It combines boxing and chinese martial arts along with judo and jujitsu. Because of Bruce Lee's fame he was the first to show the world mixing martial arts he may not have been the first to mix them but he did show it out to others. You do realize kyokushin doesn't allow punches to the head something many mmartist do. Dana white credited bruce lee as father of mma as well other mmartist gave credit to lee.
"Think about it, look how similar jeet kune do concepts are to MMA. It combines boxing and chinese martial arts along with judo and jujitsu"
In that case Vale Tudo is the father of MMA. Dana White is from USA and many of his age were crazy about Lee when they were kids. Remember there's both South America and Asia to count in. Oyama was a superhero. Movies about him were made, colored TV series, magazines etc.
@Flyingtart Bruce Lee brought the idea of mixing martial arts for effectiveness throughout the world. How often do you hear Mas Oyama compared to Bruce Lee or Ali in the same sentence. Why are you being all antibruceleeish I've never heard mas oyama being credited as the father of mma or anything close to that because for one thing HE WAS A KARATE MASTER, Mas Oyama simply cared about showing his style not being highly famous.
Oyama was the one who brought Karate to a bigger audience in USA. And yes in Japan Oyama is bigger than Lee, in USA Lee is bigger than Oyama.
Oyama, Gracie and Lee would not be in the same weightclass. It's a huge disadvantage to meet someone good at grappling when you are smaller. Small people DO kick and punch quicker, but there's still a reason for why there are weightclasses. I just don't see why people think Lee is immortal or something.
@Flyingtart Perhaps you need to look up on Bruce Lees speed, a world karate champion couldn't block his punch and not even slow motion cameras could stop his speed, his one inch punch alone was enough to injure a karate instructor to the point of pain and he needed to stay home, and his kicks were compared to a car crash, underestimate bruce lee you shall fail. BTW Bruce Lee was definately popular in Japan believe me how many video games do you see with characters based on oyama compared to lee.
Gah... you know shit about fighting. I have good explosivity in my muscles aswell, but I still wouldn't go up for an MMA fight against someone weighing 20 kg more than me. Did Bruce Lee ever prove himself in any world class fighting tournament? Nope he didn't, but Oyama did. Oyama was a pure fighter who fought and trained many world class pro fighters. Do you think Bruce Lee kicks harder than Bas Rutten for example?
@Flyingtart I'm not the fanboy who thinks his hero is the father of MMA because I hate a more famous martial artist and want to rant about it. Bruce Lee did prove himself able to be to fast for world karate champion vic moore and he did have street fights, his fight with wong jak man, many martial artist credit him for being so good and he demonstrated evidently his speed and strenght. You know shit about Bruce Lee or MMA consepts you are just a fanboy go cry to your mommy.
Hahaha how much fighting experience do you have to begin with? EVERY pro fighter practices atleast as much as Lee did, why do you think he is so special? If he was sooo godlike, then why wasn't he fighting any world class boxer? Lee never FOUGHT against Vic, he just showed speed. Also at that time USA was filled with bullshido masters such as Chuck Norris.
Many more follow Kyokushin, and Kyokushin emphasizes the idea of learning many arts, therefore it's more of the MMA father.
@Flyingtart There you go again with your kyokushin father of mma bs. Kyokushin is a karate form that combines other martial arts into it, Jeet Kune Do and MMA are not martial arts they are ways to put pieces of martial arts together to create your own form, JKD and MMA are styles yet not styles that is the point for both concepts they are not formed in any way they are your way, that is why JKD is credited for MMA because it was the first way to show how to fight freely.
There are actually more people doing Vale Tudo than JKD...
"...it was the first way to show how to fight freely"
Eh nah... except from Vale Tudo, Gracie enlighted the world about submission, not JKD. You just want to give Lee the glory because you are a fanboy.
If JKD is not a style, then how come that EVERY JKD video I watch on youtube looks heavily influenced by wing chun, and nothing at all like MMA? The stand up game of Kyokushin looks alot more like MMA than JKD.
@Flyingtart Gracie was the first to enlighten the world with BJJ effectiveness with ground fighting and submission and Wrestling did as well. UFC didn't focus on free fighting like JKD it focused on throwing in martial arts at eachother. JKD is misunderstood many think of it as a martial art but in truth its a concept on how you should fight just like how MMA is not a style and it shows you how to fight freely.
Keep it up fanboy I can go all day and prove you wrong again ;)
The only thing you are proving me is that you know jack shit about fighting and martial arts and that the "concept" of JKD is ridiculus. As you describe it JKD could look like anything. It's as if I would be practicing JKD just because I'm thinking about cross training. That's bullshit. bl did wing chun and from what I've seen JKD looks exactly like it.
@Flyingtart Really you think TKD doesn't work in MMA look at Cro Cop, Cung Le, Silva, ben henderson, pettis, and bonner. You fail to see the similarities of JKD and MMA because you are an ignorant fanboy. I've told you JKD is not a martial art it's a concept, a philosphy that doesn't use fixed positions just like MMA. The reason it look like wing chun is because its either not complete or others fail to see it as a philosphy. JKD is incomplete because of bruce lees death as BL was still in judo.
@Flyingtart They are all blackbelts in Tae Kwon Do and they use it just as effectively as George St Pierre and Bas Rutten did for their karate. All MMartist who train tae kwon do have shown their effectiveness of their kicks and those three you said all had kick knockouts.
@SunWukong4 im not trying to bash on tkd tho, dont get me wrong. just admitting whats right and wrong. tkd isnt the reason y cro cop has his kick knockout power. the problem with tkd is, alone it isnt THAT good. ppl can believe what they want, but just know that even in korea, most ppl admit this. now, tkd mixed with other arts such as muay thai or kickboxing would be nice.
@SunWukong4 i wouldnt say silva or cro cop uses tkd lol. tkd is good for teaching u the basics. cro cop is a kickboxer and silva does muay thai. yes they learned tkd as well, but thats not what makes them the fighters they are, its MOSTLY the other arts. i dont know why westerners overrate tkd so much and try to give it more credit then it deserves. its funny because in korea, most ppl know that tkd is very ineffective in an actual bout and ppl just do it as a hobby.
@ganjislammer Tae kwon do should be effective I mean don't they have the kicks you need like head kicks and ax kicks I mean look at how cro cop use an axe kick that's definately tkd and cung le just look at his kicks. If you take effective tae kwon do kicks you can have a good kicking part of your MMA.
@SunWukong4 oh yes i deff agree with you on that tkd helps with ur kicking. like i said, its a very good art to start off with and learn the basics of martial arts. but to refine ur kicks with power and make them more effective, its best to mix it with something else like kickboxing for example. the reason cro cops kick is strong is due to mostly his kickboxing rather than tkd. i see tkd as more of a stepping stone or a supporting art to maximize ur skills in other arts. just MY opinion tho :p
@Flyingtart Before being a dumbass in the internet go back to school and educate yourself well. You have not proven anything for kyokushin influence in MMA you are just a fanboy comming up with fabrications to make your hero as big as Bruce Lee Accept the fact Bruce showed the world cross training not just kung fu, his concepts were well known and were similar to MMA and followed the similar ideas Kyokushin is another form of karate that combines other arts yet it doesn't follow the same idea.
1. There are Jeet Kune Do clubs all over the world
2. Their training looks nothing like MMA practice
3. There are many famous MMA fighters with Kyokushin background (compared to Jeet Kune Do, lol.
4. People like you are somehow crediting MMA to Bruce Lee and Jeet Kune Do. What the fuck? No holds barred fighting existed before Lee, and Gracie+Vale Tudo are the ones to credit.
@Flyingtart 1.) Real JKD is like MMA not suppose to be an actual martial art, Todd Medina knew how to use JKD and his was more JJ.2.) Erik Paulson, Tim Boetsch, Ben Saunders, and Jérôme Le Banner they may not be as famous as Bas and George but they count as MMartist with JKD background.3.) Only people too sucked in by Kyokushin would ever think it was the father of MMA(For some reason you switched to "Gracie+Vale Tudo")Bruce brought JKD world wide US and East and more VT&G were all in Brazil
1. I don't even remember me writing that kyokushin is the father of MMA
2. There are more Kyokushin schools than there are jkd schools, also more practicioneers, so I guess that Oyama after all was more successful at spreading his martial art than Lee
3. Full contact karate has had much more impact on MMA (K1 for example and considering the ammount of famous full contact karate fighters in MMA) than JKD ever had. Is there even full contact sparring in JKD?
1. Read your older comments you tried to put out Mas Oyama and Kyokushin the father of MMA.
2. What does it matter that there are more Kyokushin than JKD? By how much do you even think Kyokushin was spread compared to JKD?
3. Are you saying MMA is a martial art? After seeing you ask "Is there even full conteact sparring in JKD" I think that says enough that you don't know what JKD is.
And don't tell me "JKD is a concept, not a fighting style so you cannot compare". Because that's like saying "Kung Fu is a state of mind, not a martial art and therefore everyone who is hard achieving is actually doing Kung Fu". That's really twisting the term dude.
@Flyingtart You just don't know what JKD is. After seeing people use it you believe it's more Wing Chun, you ever heard of Sanshou some say it's like JKD because they both share similar concepts that also relate to MMA, Punching, kicking, elbow, knee strike, grappling, and joint locks all techniques needed to fight properly in a form that doesn't follow traditional value and more free fighting.
Kyokushin combines Muay Thai with classic karate and Jiu jutsu self defense technique. Don't you call that MMA? K1 existed before both Dana White and his UFC btw. K1 is MMA and wether you like it or not Oyama became famous long before Lee and glorified the though of combining martial arts.
@Flyingtart As I've said there were mixing martial arts before but when bruce lee showed the world mixing martial arts started to grow. K-1 was kickboxing maybe there was mixing but modern mma is very similar to jeet kune do, it means to combine pieces from martial arts that work into making one form, boxing punches, judo and jujitsu grappling, kung fu striking and trapping, and fencing movements. Mas Oyama may be famous but Bruce Lee is known throughout the entire world
Bruce Lee only showed MMA for USA. People my age in Sweden have barely seen any Bruce Lee movies. He is not THAT famous. Bruce Lees fighting style, and the stuff Tommy carruthers show on youtube are much less alike the stand up game in modern MMA than Kyokushin, and if you go to a Jeet Kune Do club the training will probably look more like wing chun than MMA. Come on almost nobody knows what Jeet Kune Do is about, but most people know K1, and how many use JKD in MMA tournaments?
@Flyingtart Jeet Kune do is a concept not a martial art. Where do you get this whole K-1 is the first MMA. K1 today is more commonly for kickboxing matches than MMA. The reason people credit Jeet Kune Do for being the ancestor for MMA is because MMA today is very similar, combine boxing and kickboxing with grappling and free fighting. The concepts of jeet kune do make it the first idea of modern MMA. Please think about what you are saying.
It's not as if people starts practicing vale tudo or MMA because of Lees ideas. It's not as if Gracie revolutionized fighting just because of Lee saying something. The concept of mixing martial arts for best effect existed long before Bruce Lee, and Bruce Lee became famous for his movies, NOT for his ideas about mixing martial arts.
@Flyingtart Here's why people say JEET KUNE DO IS THE ANCESTOR OF MMA. Jeet Kune Do's concepts ARE SIMILAR to Modern MMA. They both follow similar views TAKE WHAT IS USEFUL THROW OUT WHAT IS USELESS. Jeet Kune Do focused on free fighting and grappling with whatever martial art you can find helpful for a fight, Bruce Lee showed this worldwide and we see how similar it is to modern mma. Others did do the concept of MMA but none became as well known as Bruce Lee's jeet kune do.
Again. Bruce Lee is well known, especially in USA, his concept is less well known. "TAKE WHAT IS USEFUL THROW OUT WHAT IS USELESS." This idea spread in asia after Oyama and many offshots of his karate evolved it with different rules, and even grappling and headbutts in ring fights. His genre of karate became far bigger than Jeet Kune Do has ever been. Traditionalists thought it was horrible, but they had their asses kicked in fights haha.
@Flyingtart "His genre of karate became far bigger than Jeet Kune Do has ever been." You are either a heavy Mas Oyama fanboy or a heavy Kyokushin fanboy, as I see it is abit of both. Kyokushin focused on not hitting to the head of an opponent with punches that is not in MMA. Jeet Kune Do is compared to MMA because it focuses on the combination of boxing punches, kung fu striking, kick boxing and kung fu kicks, judo and jujitsu grappling and free stance, Basic MMA is very similar to that
"kung fu striking, kick boxing and kung fu kicks, judo and jujitsu grappling and free stance, Basic MMA is very similar to that"
There isn't much kung fu striking in MMA actually... Also the kicks are almost only Muay Thai, except for some like when George St Pierre and Bas Rutten show off their karate influences. You are sound just like all fanboys and it's ridiculus how you think tiny little Lee could compete in a MMA fight vs Oyama or Gracie.
@Flyingtart Tae kwon do is more common in MMA than Kyokushin look at how many black belts there are famous for their kicks. Bruce Lee used kicks similar to Tae Kwon do which are northern style of kung fu that focus on high kicks just like tae kwon do. I know you Mas Oyama fanboys and Kyokushin fanboys always screaming about how good their style is and trolling about how mas oyama can kill Bruce Lee. BL could definatley compare to them just remember when bl punches you will never forget the pain.
Taekwondo? HAHAHASFHSBFhAHAH omg. They can't even take kicks to the legs. Look up the TKD vs Kyokushin tournament in China on youtube.
Man... bls punches inflict pain? Oyama KILLED a man with one punch in a fight when he was young. He is heavier and more powerful than Bruce. A heavyweight hits harder than a lightweight. This is A FACT.
@Flyingtart Who did mas oyama kill because the only proof of his effectiveness was breaking bones in the 3 day 100 man kumite and killing 3 bulls who were restrained as he injured hundreds. I respect Mas effectiveness but there is more to bruce lee than you think my friend. Bruce Lee punches and kicks have injured people and broken bones and left painful sores that will keep on hurting for days, Mas Oyama did take hits from karate fighters but bruce lee is more than just a regular fighter.
Eeh Oyama was incariciated but freed in court for his murder, since it was considered self defence. Listen closely now... Bruce Lees weight was like 65 kg. Speed does not equal power in martial arts, because in that case there would be no weight classes. A guy like Mike Tyson hits alot harder than a skinny kung fu guy.
@Flyingtart True but BL is no ordinary practioner remember how Mas was called the god hand look at his crazy training an ordinary fighter doesn't go through crazy training like Oyama. Bruce also had crazy training which is why his punches hurt many people, I never said Bruce was stronger than Mas I'm saying once you are hit by Lee you are going to feel it, Lee is not your every day martial artist he conditioned his body like crazy and did what he could to be unordinarily strong like Oyama.
@SunWukong4 "only proof of his effectiveness was breaking bones"
Actually he won karate competitions, judo competitions and fought many guys in america, there are several newspaper clips from USA about him, and they gave him the nickname "Godhand".
@Flyingtart I'm not trying to degrade Mas Oyama I do believe he did the 100 man kumite and injured bulls but much of his fights were fabricated jut like Bruce Lee's fights. It's hard to believe what is true but I believe Bruce and Mas have had proofable experienced fights in their entire lives. They both also had crazy training irregular to ordinary martial artists that made their physical abilities unordinary.
And no K1 is NOT kickboxing. And Jeet Kune Do has had no influence on the MMA world. Gracie has proven alot more than Bruce Lee did. Also in a fight both Oyama, Gracie or any great vale tudo fighter would crush Bruce Lee. He is soooo overrated because of his coool movies.
@Flyingtart Wow you are very ignorant aren't you. MMA resembled Jeet Kune Do and they follow similar concepts "Take what is useful throw out what is useless. Say if Royce Gracie fought Bruce Lee, Bruce Lees speed and hard punches would give Royce trouble, Royce hardly blocks punches as fast a bruce. Also Mas Oyama would definately feel Bruce Lees punch and kicks because Bruce Lee is not your ordinary martial artist as he trains hard. keep your antibruce lee trolling to yourself thank you
Matsutatsu is a stronger man, and Bruce Lee is stupid actor. OSU!
ctiberiu89 6 days ago
in my opinion mas oyama would kill bruce lee
JagPleysier 3 months ago
is not about the style, it's about the practicioner..... Bruce lee and Ouyama-sensei ,its a genius martial arts who understand their own style ,body, mind and hardwork
hikayaza 4 months ago
Speaking of Bruce Lee and master Oyama. Wasn't their a rumor about them and Gene Lebell challenging the Gracies but the Gracies declined?
FreekyDeeky21 4 months ago
Lee Jun Fan fue creador de algo imparable El metodo del Jeet Kune Do estara en evolucion contínua mientras se siga practicando. Rest in peace Bruce
delakinski 4 months ago
OSU!!!!!!!
Patriot1389 5 months ago
How I would give to see Oyama vs Bruce Lee...
jung567 6 months ago
kekushin allways wins against kungfu monkeys
kord127 6 months ago
@kord127 You know there are a number of sanshou guys who've knocked out kyokushin practitioners, don't be a fanboy.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
of course is very relative, try to make fight ya sanshou or wateva of monkey style with fighters like Lechi Kurbanov.. and I've neva seen any kunfu of taekwondo masters killing bulls with empty hands.
kord127 6 months ago
@kord127 Have you known a kung fu fighter who killed a horse just by touching it?
SunWukong4 5 months ago
@SunWukong4
something like that is used in spetsnaz fight systm. not everybody can learn that, but karate is more efficient in avarage people who don't go live shaolin temple for 5 years. my amelikan is not vely good , hope u undelstand me.
kord127 5 months ago
@kord127 Really do you watch videos of kung fu practioners because average people who practice combat orientated kung fu are just as effective as karatekas. The shaolin temple is not the only place to learn karate my friend.
SunWukong4 5 months ago
@SunWukong4
..even Chuk Norris wins ya triads fighters)
kord127 6 months ago
@kord127 You must've been butthurt after watching Way Of the Dragon.
SunWukong4 1 month ago
wayof dragon , kunfu is very stylish,unlike karate just like in m4 vs ak ; kunfu is better for movies
kord127 1 month ago
@kord127 Ever heard of Sanshou.
SunWukong4 1 month ago
there's no footage of bruce lee and mas oyama together. what's the point of this video?
ramnair23 6 months ago
Long live the great masters of Bruce Lee and Oyama and thank you very much for your comments and dedication to see the video greetings
turleszzz 6 months ago 5
es el mejor video que e visto asta hora se merece un oscar xD
juanbo96 7 months ago 2
@juanbo96 gracias pero no es para tanto dentro de unos dias subire un gran video de grandes maestros del kyokushin y otras artes y asi retomare otra vez el subir videos ademas este era de los primeros que subi y no lo hice muy bien
turleszzz 7 months ago
buen video te as ganado un suscriptor
juanbo96 7 months ago
la musica del principio como se llama
juanbo96 7 months ago
@juanbo96 three days grace it`s all over :)
turleszzz 7 months ago
MASTER MAS OYAMA UNTOUCHABLE .
freddylv2011 7 months ago 4
Masutatsu Oyama is the original Ryu.
elvergasdetodos 10 months ago 11
@elvergasdetodos True :D , i like him more than Bruce Lee , since oyama didn't lost a single fight in his life
bishketflux 4 months ago
@bishketflux bruce lee either never lost a fight..he never really faught in competition i think but still..he was the strongest martial artists..he kick someone and the guy said it was about a car's impact..he is also one of the fastest kicker of all time.
R3dTigerM40A3 2 months ago
@R3dTigerM40A3 Well actually he is not one of the fastest , he IS fastest , in movies they had to slow down fighting scenes a bit to see his punches and kicks ... i read that few years ago in old newspapers... i was shocked
bishketflux 2 months ago
@bishketflux he is strongest too..he can do push ups sets with over 250 lbs plates on his back + 1 handed+ 2 fingers pushups set. that man is unbelievable
R3dTigerM40A3 2 months ago
Mr. Lee was a great martial arts actor and a good teacher but Mr Oyama was a great Karateka and a teacher of Karate. Mr. Oyama was tested by boxers, martial artist, wrestlers and never tasted defeat. He fought 200 Black Belts back to back for two days. He killed bulls with his hand. He founded Kyokushin Kai karate, at it's peak it had more then 15 million students covering 120 countries. Both helped popularize the martial arts one through movies the other by doing. Osu
1banryukyu 1 year ago
@1banryukyu Bruce Lee didn't just do movies he showed it off like in his demonstrations he showed his nigh uncatcheable speed and how he can injure a person with the one inch punch.
SunWukong4 11 months ago
@SunWukong4 Sir
Mr. Lee made his impact on the world through the Martial Arts movie, he was a very good Martial Artist but Mr. Oyama made his impacted on the world by going all over the world and testing his Martial Arts skills, then movies were made about him and his style. Osu
1banryukyu 11 months ago
@1banryukyu actually bruce lee went throughout the whole world and combined his skills with others jeet kune do is considered the ancestor of todays MMA. Mas Oyama created his own karate style which is probrably the most respected one.
SunWukong4 9 months ago
@SunWukong4 Sir
Osu
1banryukyu 9 months ago
@1banryukyu OSU
turleszzz 9 months ago
@SunWukong4 wrong lol mas oyama encouraged his students 2 cross-train, many of them were judoka as well as karateka, kyokushin is based on muay thai, shotokan, goju-ryu, taikiken, judo etc etc. No offence, I respect bruce lee alot, but he wasn't on the level of oyama, who dedicated his whole life to martial arts, bruce lee was an actor/martial artist, there in different leagues lol mas oyama spent 18months alone on a mountain training in the wilderness - dnt fink many ppl wud do dat nw lol.
MUEEN007 6 months ago
@MUEEN007 You know bruce lee was considered the father of mma because he showed the world mixing martial arts. Many martial artist don't think of advertising mixing martial arts but bruce lee took advantage of his popularity and showed everyone the values. He mixed boxing and jujitsu and judo as well kung fu together. Mas oyama did have superior training but bruce lee training made him nigh unchatchable and otherworldly strong as well he had a healthy nutrition.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
I think Oyama rather would be called the father of MMA, considering he is the father of K1.
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart How could Mas Oyama be possibly the father of mma. K1 is kickboxing not MMA and technically Bruce Lee was the first to bring out the idea of mixing martial arts throughout the world, think about what you are saying.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
Eeh K1 isn't kick boxing. It's mixed martial art, and based on Oyamas idea that different systems should compete against eachother. Did Bruce Lee found UFC or what? Nope. Actually submissions etc and what you would define as "MMA" was applied a long time after the first UFC event (Gracie etc you know).
Numbers of world wide MMA organizations founded:
Oyama: 1
Lee: 0
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart Do you even know Mas Oyama let alone Bruce Lee because no one ever said anything about Mas Oyama having anything to do with MMA, you seem like an individual.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
"...technically Bruce Lee was the first to bring out the idea of mixing martial arts throughout the world, think about what you are saying."
There were many famous martial artists before him. Oyama for example. Considering Bismarck was one of Oyamas idols as a young man you can clearly see how he early in his life had the idea of unifying different teachings to a single great one. Thus "the strongest karate", and also with Muay Thai influences and self defence judo teachings.
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
plus other influences. Oyama went to USA to compete against fighters over there. He made it with great success too.
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart tell me something is there any MMartist that credits Mas Oyama in anyway let alone father of MMA. Mas Oyama represented his karate only, how often do you hear kyokushin having to do with MMA (Not talking about the practitioners of kyokushin I'm talking about the style) Jeet Kune Do was credited for demonstrating crosstraining with jujitsu,judo, kickboxing, and kung fu together, also bruce lee showed gloves that resembled what was in MMA. You need to take these into account.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
Almost nobody in UFC or K1 have studied Jeet Kune Do.
Some who have done Kyokushin and Seidokaikan practicioneers in MMA:
Andy Hug, Bas Rutten, francisco filho, Dolph Lundgren, George St Pierre. Look up K1 vs Kyokushin challenge too. Kyokushin karate is a mix, a MMA and Jiu-jitsu and judo elements may be taught, even if not used in ring fighting. Also the style arranges open tournaments where other martial arts may participate. This was a fact long before Lee became famous by TV...
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart Think about it, look how similar jeet kune do concepts are to MMA. It combines boxing and chinese martial arts along with judo and jujitsu. Because of Bruce Lee's fame he was the first to show the world mixing martial arts he may not have been the first to mix them but he did show it out to others. You do realize kyokushin doesn't allow punches to the head something many mmartist do. Dana white credited bruce lee as father of mma as well other mmartist gave credit to lee.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
"Think about it, look how similar jeet kune do concepts are to MMA. It combines boxing and chinese martial arts along with judo and jujitsu"
In that case Vale Tudo is the father of MMA. Dana White is from USA and many of his age were crazy about Lee when they were kids. Remember there's both South America and Asia to count in. Oyama was a superhero. Movies about him were made, colored TV series, magazines etc.
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart Bruce Lee brought the idea of mixing martial arts for effectiveness throughout the world. How often do you hear Mas Oyama compared to Bruce Lee or Ali in the same sentence. Why are you being all antibruceleeish I've never heard mas oyama being credited as the father of mma or anything close to that because for one thing HE WAS A KARATE MASTER, Mas Oyama simply cared about showing his style not being highly famous.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
Oyama was the one who brought Karate to a bigger audience in USA. And yes in Japan Oyama is bigger than Lee, in USA Lee is bigger than Oyama.
Oyama, Gracie and Lee would not be in the same weightclass. It's a huge disadvantage to meet someone good at grappling when you are smaller. Small people DO kick and punch quicker, but there's still a reason for why there are weightclasses. I just don't see why people think Lee is immortal or something.
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart Perhaps you need to look up on Bruce Lees speed, a world karate champion couldn't block his punch and not even slow motion cameras could stop his speed, his one inch punch alone was enough to injure a karate instructor to the point of pain and he needed to stay home, and his kicks were compared to a car crash, underestimate bruce lee you shall fail. BTW Bruce Lee was definately popular in Japan believe me how many video games do you see with characters based on oyama compared to lee.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
Gah... you know shit about fighting. I have good explosivity in my muscles aswell, but I still wouldn't go up for an MMA fight against someone weighing 20 kg more than me. Did Bruce Lee ever prove himself in any world class fighting tournament? Nope he didn't, but Oyama did. Oyama was a pure fighter who fought and trained many world class pro fighters. Do you think Bruce Lee kicks harder than Bas Rutten for example?
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart I'm not the fanboy who thinks his hero is the father of MMA because I hate a more famous martial artist and want to rant about it. Bruce Lee did prove himself able to be to fast for world karate champion vic moore and he did have street fights, his fight with wong jak man, many martial artist credit him for being so good and he demonstrated evidently his speed and strenght. You know shit about Bruce Lee or MMA consepts you are just a fanboy go cry to your mommy.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
Hahaha how much fighting experience do you have to begin with? EVERY pro fighter practices atleast as much as Lee did, why do you think he is so special? If he was sooo godlike, then why wasn't he fighting any world class boxer? Lee never FOUGHT against Vic, he just showed speed. Also at that time USA was filled with bullshido masters such as Chuck Norris.
Many more follow Kyokushin, and Kyokushin emphasizes the idea of learning many arts, therefore it's more of the MMA father.
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart There you go again with your kyokushin father of mma bs. Kyokushin is a karate form that combines other martial arts into it, Jeet Kune Do and MMA are not martial arts they are ways to put pieces of martial arts together to create your own form, JKD and MMA are styles yet not styles that is the point for both concepts they are not formed in any way they are your way, that is why JKD is credited for MMA because it was the first way to show how to fight freely.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
There are actually more people doing Vale Tudo than JKD...
"...it was the first way to show how to fight freely"
Eh nah... except from Vale Tudo, Gracie enlighted the world about submission, not JKD. You just want to give Lee the glory because you are a fanboy.
If JKD is not a style, then how come that EVERY JKD video I watch on youtube looks heavily influenced by wing chun, and nothing at all like MMA? The stand up game of Kyokushin looks alot more like MMA than JKD.
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart Gracie was the first to enlighten the world with BJJ effectiveness with ground fighting and submission and Wrestling did as well. UFC didn't focus on free fighting like JKD it focused on throwing in martial arts at eachother. JKD is misunderstood many think of it as a martial art but in truth its a concept on how you should fight just like how MMA is not a style and it shows you how to fight freely.
Keep it up fanboy I can go all day and prove you wrong again ;)
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
The only thing you are proving me is that you know jack shit about fighting and martial arts and that the "concept" of JKD is ridiculus. As you describe it JKD could look like anything. It's as if I would be practicing JKD just because I'm thinking about cross training. That's bullshit. bl did wing chun and from what I've seen JKD looks exactly like it.
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart Really you think TKD doesn't work in MMA look at Cro Cop, Cung Le, Silva, ben henderson, pettis, and bonner. You fail to see the similarities of JKD and MMA because you are an ignorant fanboy. I've told you JKD is not a martial art it's a concept, a philosphy that doesn't use fixed positions just like MMA. The reason it look like wing chun is because its either not complete or others fail to see it as a philosphy. JKD is incomplete because of bruce lees death as BL was still in judo.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
Cro Cop = kickboxer accustomed to K1 rules
Cung Le = Sanshou/sanda fighter
Anderson Silva = Muay Thai and BJJ
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart They are all blackbelts in Tae Kwon Do and they use it just as effectively as George St Pierre and Bas Rutten did for their karate. All MMartist who train tae kwon do have shown their effectiveness of their kicks and those three you said all had kick knockouts.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4 im not trying to bash on tkd tho, dont get me wrong. just admitting whats right and wrong. tkd isnt the reason y cro cop has his kick knockout power. the problem with tkd is, alone it isnt THAT good. ppl can believe what they want, but just know that even in korea, most ppl admit this. now, tkd mixed with other arts such as muay thai or kickboxing would be nice.
ganjislammer 6 months ago
@SunWukong4 i wouldnt say silva or cro cop uses tkd lol. tkd is good for teaching u the basics. cro cop is a kickboxer and silva does muay thai. yes they learned tkd as well, but thats not what makes them the fighters they are, its MOSTLY the other arts. i dont know why westerners overrate tkd so much and try to give it more credit then it deserves. its funny because in korea, most ppl know that tkd is very ineffective in an actual bout and ppl just do it as a hobby.
ganjislammer 6 months ago
@ganjislammer Tae kwon do should be effective I mean don't they have the kicks you need like head kicks and ax kicks I mean look at how cro cop use an axe kick that's definately tkd and cung le just look at his kicks. If you take effective tae kwon do kicks you can have a good kicking part of your MMA.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4 oh yes i deff agree with you on that tkd helps with ur kicking. like i said, its a very good art to start off with and learn the basics of martial arts. but to refine ur kicks with power and make them more effective, its best to mix it with something else like kickboxing for example. the reason cro cops kick is strong is due to mostly his kickboxing rather than tkd. i see tkd as more of a stepping stone or a supporting art to maximize ur skills in other arts. just MY opinion tho :p
ganjislammer 6 months ago
@Flyingtart Before being a dumbass in the internet go back to school and educate yourself well. You have not proven anything for kyokushin influence in MMA you are just a fanboy comming up with fabrications to make your hero as big as Bruce Lee Accept the fact Bruce showed the world cross training not just kung fu, his concepts were well known and were similar to MMA and followed the similar ideas Kyokushin is another form of karate that combines other arts yet it doesn't follow the same idea.
SunWukong4 1 month ago
@SunWukong4
1. There are Jeet Kune Do clubs all over the world
2. Their training looks nothing like MMA practice
3. There are many famous MMA fighters with Kyokushin background (compared to Jeet Kune Do, lol.
4. People like you are somehow crediting MMA to Bruce Lee and Jeet Kune Do. What the fuck? No holds barred fighting existed before Lee, and Gracie+Vale Tudo are the ones to credit.
Flyingtart 1 month ago
@Flyingtart 1.) Real JKD is like MMA not suppose to be an actual martial art, Todd Medina knew how to use JKD and his was more JJ.2.) Erik Paulson, Tim Boetsch, Ben Saunders, and Jérôme Le Banner they may not be as famous as Bas and George but they count as MMartist with JKD background.3.) Only people too sucked in by Kyokushin would ever think it was the father of MMA(For some reason you switched to "Gracie+Vale Tudo")Bruce brought JKD world wide US and East and more VT&G were all in Brazil
SunWukong4 1 month ago
@SunWukong4
1. I don't even remember me writing that kyokushin is the father of MMA
2. There are more Kyokushin schools than there are jkd schools, also more practicioneers, so I guess that Oyama after all was more successful at spreading his martial art than Lee
3. Full contact karate has had much more impact on MMA (K1 for example and considering the ammount of famous full contact karate fighters in MMA) than JKD ever had. Is there even full contact sparring in JKD?
Flyingtart 1 month ago
@Flyingtart
1. Read your older comments you tried to put out Mas Oyama and Kyokushin the father of MMA.
2. What does it matter that there are more Kyokushin than JKD? By how much do you even think Kyokushin was spread compared to JKD?
3. Are you saying MMA is a martial art? After seeing you ask "Is there even full conteact sparring in JKD" I think that says enough that you don't know what JKD is.
SunWukong4 1 month ago
@SunWukong4
And don't tell me "JKD is a concept, not a fighting style so you cannot compare". Because that's like saying "Kung Fu is a state of mind, not a martial art and therefore everyone who is hard achieving is actually doing Kung Fu". That's really twisting the term dude.
Flyingtart 1 month ago
@Flyingtart You just don't know what JKD is. After seeing people use it you believe it's more Wing Chun, you ever heard of Sanshou some say it's like JKD because they both share similar concepts that also relate to MMA, Punching, kicking, elbow, knee strike, grappling, and joint locks all techniques needed to fight properly in a form that doesn't follow traditional value and more free fighting.
SunWukong4 1 month ago
@SunWukong4
And no I did never fabricate anything I mentioned.
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SunWukong4 1 month ago
@SunWukong4
Kyokushin combines Muay Thai with classic karate and Jiu jutsu self defense technique. Don't you call that MMA? K1 existed before both Dana White and his UFC btw. K1 is MMA and wether you like it or not Oyama became famous long before Lee and glorified the though of combining martial arts.
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart As I've said there were mixing martial arts before but when bruce lee showed the world mixing martial arts started to grow. K-1 was kickboxing maybe there was mixing but modern mma is very similar to jeet kune do, it means to combine pieces from martial arts that work into making one form, boxing punches, judo and jujitsu grappling, kung fu striking and trapping, and fencing movements. Mas Oyama may be famous but Bruce Lee is known throughout the entire world
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
Bruce Lee only showed MMA for USA. People my age in Sweden have barely seen any Bruce Lee movies. He is not THAT famous. Bruce Lees fighting style, and the stuff Tommy carruthers show on youtube are much less alike the stand up game in modern MMA than Kyokushin, and if you go to a Jeet Kune Do club the training will probably look more like wing chun than MMA. Come on almost nobody knows what Jeet Kune Do is about, but most people know K1, and how many use JKD in MMA tournaments?
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart Jeet Kune do is a concept not a martial art. Where do you get this whole K-1 is the first MMA. K1 today is more commonly for kickboxing matches than MMA. The reason people credit Jeet Kune Do for being the ancestor for MMA is because MMA today is very similar, combine boxing and kickboxing with grappling and free fighting. The concepts of jeet kune do make it the first idea of modern MMA. Please think about what you are saying.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
It's not as if people starts practicing vale tudo or MMA because of Lees ideas. It's not as if Gracie revolutionized fighting just because of Lee saying something. The concept of mixing martial arts for best effect existed long before Bruce Lee, and Bruce Lee became famous for his movies, NOT for his ideas about mixing martial arts.
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart Here's why people say JEET KUNE DO IS THE ANCESTOR OF MMA. Jeet Kune Do's concepts ARE SIMILAR to Modern MMA. They both follow similar views TAKE WHAT IS USEFUL THROW OUT WHAT IS USELESS. Jeet Kune Do focused on free fighting and grappling with whatever martial art you can find helpful for a fight, Bruce Lee showed this worldwide and we see how similar it is to modern mma. Others did do the concept of MMA but none became as well known as Bruce Lee's jeet kune do.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
Again. Bruce Lee is well known, especially in USA, his concept is less well known. "TAKE WHAT IS USEFUL THROW OUT WHAT IS USELESS." This idea spread in asia after Oyama and many offshots of his karate evolved it with different rules, and even grappling and headbutts in ring fights. His genre of karate became far bigger than Jeet Kune Do has ever been. Traditionalists thought it was horrible, but they had their asses kicked in fights haha.
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart "His genre of karate became far bigger than Jeet Kune Do has ever been." You are either a heavy Mas Oyama fanboy or a heavy Kyokushin fanboy, as I see it is abit of both. Kyokushin focused on not hitting to the head of an opponent with punches that is not in MMA. Jeet Kune Do is compared to MMA because it focuses on the combination of boxing punches, kung fu striking, kick boxing and kung fu kicks, judo and jujitsu grappling and free stance, Basic MMA is very similar to that
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
"kung fu striking, kick boxing and kung fu kicks, judo and jujitsu grappling and free stance, Basic MMA is very similar to that"
There isn't much kung fu striking in MMA actually... Also the kicks are almost only Muay Thai, except for some like when George St Pierre and Bas Rutten show off their karate influences. You are sound just like all fanboys and it's ridiculus how you think tiny little Lee could compete in a MMA fight vs Oyama or Gracie.
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart Tae kwon do is more common in MMA than Kyokushin look at how many black belts there are famous for their kicks. Bruce Lee used kicks similar to Tae Kwon do which are northern style of kung fu that focus on high kicks just like tae kwon do. I know you Mas Oyama fanboys and Kyokushin fanboys always screaming about how good their style is and trolling about how mas oyama can kill Bruce Lee. BL could definatley compare to them just remember when bl punches you will never forget the pain.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
Taekwondo? HAHAHASFHSBFhAHAH omg. They can't even take kicks to the legs. Look up the TKD vs Kyokushin tournament in China on youtube.
Man... bls punches inflict pain? Oyama KILLED a man with one punch in a fight when he was young. He is heavier and more powerful than Bruce. A heavyweight hits harder than a lightweight. This is A FACT.
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart Who did mas oyama kill because the only proof of his effectiveness was breaking bones in the 3 day 100 man kumite and killing 3 bulls who were restrained as he injured hundreds. I respect Mas effectiveness but there is more to bruce lee than you think my friend. Bruce Lee punches and kicks have injured people and broken bones and left painful sores that will keep on hurting for days, Mas Oyama did take hits from karate fighters but bruce lee is more than just a regular fighter.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
Eeh Oyama was incariciated but freed in court for his murder, since it was considered self defence. Listen closely now... Bruce Lees weight was like 65 kg. Speed does not equal power in martial arts, because in that case there would be no weight classes. A guy like Mike Tyson hits alot harder than a skinny kung fu guy.
This is what real life looks like:
Bruce Lee practiced all days
Oyama practied all days
Oyama is bigger, therefore he has more force.
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart True but BL is no ordinary practioner remember how Mas was called the god hand look at his crazy training an ordinary fighter doesn't go through crazy training like Oyama. Bruce also had crazy training which is why his punches hurt many people, I never said Bruce was stronger than Mas I'm saying once you are hit by Lee you are going to feel it, Lee is not your every day martial artist he conditioned his body like crazy and did what he could to be unordinarily strong like Oyama.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4 "only proof of his effectiveness was breaking bones"
Actually he won karate competitions, judo competitions and fought many guys in america, there are several newspaper clips from USA about him, and they gave him the nickname "Godhand".
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart I'm not trying to degrade Mas Oyama I do believe he did the 100 man kumite and injured bulls but much of his fights were fabricated jut like Bruce Lee's fights. It's hard to believe what is true but I believe Bruce and Mas have had proofable experienced fights in their entire lives. They both also had crazy training irregular to ordinary martial artists that made their physical abilities unordinary.
SunWukong4 6 months ago
@SunWukong4
And no K1 is NOT kickboxing. And Jeet Kune Do has had no influence on the MMA world. Gracie has proven alot more than Bruce Lee did. Also in a fight both Oyama, Gracie or any great vale tudo fighter would crush Bruce Lee. He is soooo overrated because of his coool movies.
Flyingtart 6 months ago
@Flyingtart Wow you are very ignorant aren't you. MMA resembled Jeet Kune Do and they follow similar concepts "Take what is useful throw out what is useless. Say if Royce Gracie fought Bruce Lee, Bruce Lees speed and hard punches would give Royce trouble, Royce hardly blocks punches as fast a bruce. Also Mas Oyama would definately feel Bruce Lees punch and kicks because Bruce Lee is not your ordinary martial artist as he trains hard. keep your antibruce lee trolling to yourself thank you
SunWukong4 6 months ago
song is three days grace it s all over and video is cool
LLL947 1 year ago
dos genios
Zerospy 1 year ago
Great video! May i know what song is that?
primagiedi 2 years ago
songs is:bso de fighter in the wind,three days grace
turleszzz 2 years ago