excuse you when ifa priest are initiated here in the west they are uninformed but they are supposed to follow a knowledgeable ifa priest until they are ready to work
Oluwo you have a great intensity of knowledge that should be listened to very carefully and written down as well as understandin very beautiful ase blessings love and light
Interesting topic! i'm from the caribbean and i got ripped off many times in the santeria religion they stole from me thouusands of dollars and disappeared never initiated me.what a shame! but that's life! but ifa and santeria a 2 different things.i know who this guy is he's a very respected babalawo.very gifted!
@ermes94 Actually they are different thing's but the roots are the same, this is why in fundemental rituals, a ifa practitioner can help a santero but once it gets more complicated the rituals become diffrent as the religions branch off into different directions.
@odukeeper that may be the youruba equivalent mythology, but the word ifa is familar to the the latin fa for fate and the system of ifa is pretty much the same system as one coming from ancient rome, ancient kemet, I think that it probably came out of a similar egyptian tradition and trickle to europe arabia and sub-sahara afrika.
@bassreeves1965 Just because there is a linguistic commonality doesn't make it anything more than that. While we Yoruba people are desended from a people in Sudan (upper egypt at the time) As well our language is from a congolese family of speech, so to say that the Yoruba word for mother (being Yeye) is the same for the Wu Chinese word for mother (being Yeye) means nothing. Our belief is a matter of understanding the spiritual world and using that to be our way to better our lives.
Although I am in agreement with the purity of Ifa relative to African tradition compared to Santeria and Lucumi; there are some funadmental adjustments that are worthy of notice. A part of "basic understanding" of Ifa is community. Same sex relations were not prevelant with African people compared to modern day and is contrary to healthy community existence.We must learn from our experience! To embrace the children of those who have historically and presently oppress and exploit us is unwise.
@gaboradi now see this is why I wont get involved too deep with afrikan tradition today, westerners pollute everything that they get their hands on, and since the afrikans elders gave it so casually for money, then I question their wisdom.
I would agree...if you could remove your narrow parsing that attempts to negate overall thoughtful Truths in an attempt to support your own truths, it would not be necessary to remove yourself from this room :-))
Of course. The incursion and pernicious influence of the Moslem and Christian influence has changed some of the patterns everywhere. The Ifa Foundation has spent 35 years stripping away those adaptations, be they in the form of Santeria/Lucumi or certain practices in certain parts of Africa.We have searched for original truths that seamlessly integrate with the benevolent, inclusive worldview of Ifa. It is that we practice and that we teach.i
Genuine Ifa only comes from the Yoruba area which is today part of Nigeria. While other tribes practice similarly, only the Yoruba created and nurtured Ifa. My initial African training came from their area and culture.
My teachig has extended to may individuals. In African Ifa my original mentor was the late Afolabi Epega, a fifth generation African Babalawo whose grandfather, the Patriarch Epega was Bascombs' primary informant...and whose personal Igba is with the Ifa Foundation.
Lucumi Candumble or from Ile ife ode remo or Osogbo or where ever else i believe its the teachings of Ifa not the people in it so by judging each other on who they follow or what they follow escapes the main idea of Ifa
Yes you can...but not on my site anymore. Your language is indicative of your mind and character. Thoughtful people do not need to waste their time with such nonsense.
Pleased you were listening. The actual concept/implentation/specifics of the initiations are TOTALLY different. The specifics are not appropriate for a public forum, but suffice to say that genuie African Ifa priests will always ask a single pertinent questio if you inform them you are an Ifa priest. That question is: "Were you trod upon?" The answer of anyone initiated into Santeria/Lucumi would be "no", and they would be dismissed from serious discussion.
Hmm...far be it from me to doubt your point of view even in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence that EVERYONE originated in Africa, and that skin types, facial features etc. are simply environmental adaptations.
Ifa is not about a callig, it is about a path to self-empowerment and growth.
Ah tito...what a wonderful example of the difference between Ifa and Santeria. Ifa for those with the capacity for thinking and one for those who need someone to tell them what they should think. Now young man, go back to playing in your prenda
Very good analogy about the high performance automobile.
AlexJuanOrtiz 1 year ago
I like this guy
BigSerg80 1 year ago
excuse you when ifa priest are initiated here in the west they are uninformed but they are supposed to follow a knowledgeable ifa priest until they are ready to work
ermes94 1 year ago
Oluwo you have a great intensity of knowledge that should be listened to very carefully and written down as well as understandin very beautiful ase blessings love and light
oschino03 1 year ago
Po' man repent while you can.
bravone1 1 year ago
@bassreeves1965 actually sand is not used. Irosun powder is
odukeeper 1 year ago
Interesting topic! i'm from the caribbean and i got ripped off many times in the santeria religion they stole from me thouusands of dollars and disappeared never initiated me.what a shame! but that's life! but ifa and santeria a 2 different things.i know who this guy is he's a very respected babalawo.very gifted!
luzyprogreso 1 year ago
@luzyprogreso ifa and santeria are 2 different thing but remember they connect with eachother
ermes94 1 year ago
@ermes94 Actually they are different thing's but the roots are the same, this is why in fundemental rituals, a ifa practitioner can help a santero but once it gets more complicated the rituals become diffrent as the religions branch off into different directions.
mrtampenski 1 year ago
Knowledge is a powerful tool. Ifa priests do not divine in sand...rather they use iyarosun powder from the dust of termites.
odukeeper 1 year ago
@odukeeper that may be the youruba equivalent mythology, but the word ifa is familar to the the latin fa for fate and the system of ifa is pretty much the same system as one coming from ancient rome, ancient kemet, I think that it probably came out of a similar egyptian tradition and trickle to europe arabia and sub-sahara afrika.
bassreeves1965 1 year ago
@bassreeves1965 Just because there is a linguistic commonality doesn't make it anything more than that. While we Yoruba people are desended from a people in Sudan (upper egypt at the time) As well our language is from a congolese family of speech, so to say that the Yoruba word for mother (being Yeye) is the same for the Wu Chinese word for mother (being Yeye) means nothing. Our belief is a matter of understanding the spiritual world and using that to be our way to better our lives.
Ojoku12 1 year ago
@gaboradi ASE, YORUBA SIWAJU OHUN GBO GBO
bigbabatunde 1 year ago
Although I am in agreement with the purity of Ifa relative to African tradition compared to Santeria and Lucumi; there are some funadmental adjustments that are worthy of notice. A part of "basic understanding" of Ifa is community. Same sex relations were not prevelant with African people compared to modern day and is contrary to healthy community existence.We must learn from our experience! To embrace the children of those who have historically and presently oppress and exploit us is unwise.
gaboradi 2 years ago
@gaboradi now see this is why I wont get involved too deep with afrikan tradition today, westerners pollute everything that they get their hands on, and since the afrikans elders gave it so casually for money, then I question their wisdom.
bassreeves1965 1 year ago
Can you recommend me a good babalawo in new york city? Thank you.
davidxrodriguez 2 years ago
I would agree...if you could remove your narrow parsing that attempts to negate overall thoughtful Truths in an attempt to support your own truths, it would not be necessary to remove yourself from this room :-))
odukeeper 2 years ago
Of course. The incursion and pernicious influence of the Moslem and Christian influence has changed some of the patterns everywhere. The Ifa Foundation has spent 35 years stripping away those adaptations, be they in the form of Santeria/Lucumi or certain practices in certain parts of Africa.We have searched for original truths that seamlessly integrate with the benevolent, inclusive worldview of Ifa. It is that we practice and that we teach.i
odukeeper 2 years ago
Genuine Ifa only comes from the Yoruba area which is today part of Nigeria. While other tribes practice similarly, only the Yoruba created and nurtured Ifa. My initial African training came from their area and culture.
odukeeper 2 years ago
My teachig has extended to may individuals. In African Ifa my original mentor was the late Afolabi Epega, a fifth generation African Babalawo whose grandfather, the Patriarch Epega was Bascombs' primary informant...and whose personal Igba is with the Ifa Foundation.
odukeeper 2 years ago
Based on that you would suggest that the Popes declarations and James Jones declarations are the same because they both claim to be Christians?
odukeeper 2 years ago
Hello everyone
it doesnt matter what type of Ifa you practice
African Cuban Traditional Diaspora
Lucumi Candumble or from Ile ife ode remo or Osogbo or where ever else i believe its the teachings of Ifa not the people in it so by judging each other on who they follow or what they follow escapes the main idea of Ifa
IWA PELE
Iworiogunda 2 years ago
@Iworiogunda ellobe meji agrees with you modupue
radiodjfureal 1 year ago
Yes you can...but not on my site anymore. Your language is indicative of your mind and character. Thoughtful people do not need to waste their time with such nonsense.
odukeeper 2 years ago
Pleased you were listening. The actual concept/implentation/specifics of the initiations are TOTALLY different. The specifics are not appropriate for a public forum, but suffice to say that genuie African Ifa priests will always ask a single pertinent questio if you inform them you are an Ifa priest. That question is: "Were you trod upon?" The answer of anyone initiated into Santeria/Lucumi would be "no", and they would be dismissed from serious discussion.
odukeeper 2 years ago
Hmm...far be it from me to doubt your point of view even in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence that EVERYONE originated in Africa, and that skin types, facial features etc. are simply environmental adaptations.
Ifa is not about a callig, it is about a path to self-empowerment and growth.
odukeeper 2 years ago
Ah tito...what a wonderful example of the difference between Ifa and Santeria. Ifa for those with the capacity for thinking and one for those who need someone to tell them what they should think. Now young man, go back to playing in your prenda
odukeeper 2 years ago
Ifa agbe o.Proud to be a Yoruba from Nigeria
ffcaposinero 2 years ago
Since its not Santeria ,you guys dont kill a chicken
do u ?
ChristianMarxist 2 years ago
well, at least you aren't asking me to help some widow access $9,000,000.00 dollars lol
odukeeper 2 years ago
Lol..I'm a Nigerian and the way you pronounce babalawo amuses me
ibukungeorge 2 years ago