Thomas Adès video

[muslit]

i'm more interested in the stravinsky

[MrAgnostikos]

I've tried and tried, but I can't find anything much to like in Ades' music. The poor fellow is overpraised and underjudged. (A fan of his thought that I would have to like Ades, or at least couldn't criticize, because "Don't you realize? He's...GAY!" Didn't realize, thought he was melancholy, sad, or just mopey. His music is oddly emotionally inexpressive, formulaic;often overly dense; lacking development; episodic- more juxtaposed than composed. But maybe it's better than it sounds.......

[dziady1]

If only he were inventive he would be interesting otherwise he is a bore and that air head commentator does drone on and on .

[24foxstar]

but has Ades written anything as good as 'The Rite of Spring' yet? Nope, and never will.

[stephencraigen]

@24foxstar That's a terribly ignorant comment if by that reasoning you assume him to be a bad composer.

[24foxstar]

@stephencraigen His musics is crap and it won't survive. He's one of these composers who hide behind complexity. There's just no melodic or harmonic invention worth writing home about when you uncover it. Just because there's loads of notes on the page doesn't mean it sounds good. Just because it is superficially 'relevant' doesn't mean it's meaningful. People who don't see this are weak minded and unable to separate aesthetic pleasure from intellectual curiosity and/or ideology.

[stephencraigen]

@24foxstar And so you presume that no one derives aesthetic pleasure from his work? Yes, like quite a lot of composers you have to delve through the crap, but there's some good stuff in there. Powder Her Face is cool. The Ecstasio of Asyla is written out stupidly but is enjoyable regardless and shows an injection of good humour. A lot of what he has written though is just a bit average.

[stephencraigen]

@24foxstar I've just noticed...is this Oli Rudland? If so, you supervise a couple of my friends and I'm friends with Helen, which is quite funny.

What you said was true...I was only objecting to the fact you used the Rite as an example, since for inventiveness that has, in my view, never been surpassed since...it did kind of reinvent the wheel after all. And come on, for hiding behind complexity he is no way as guilty as Ferneyhough! :P

[ewhguitarist]

@24foxstar You've clearly heard none of his music if you think it's complex. His music has a direct expression that is easy to understand, especially in comparison to some of the total serialists like Boulez or composers of new complexity like Ferneyhough. You need to listen to his music more and you'll find out what he's trying to say

[jenniroditi]

This is not Ades music!

[thetheatreofmadness]

Thomas Adès is an incredibly weak composer.

[tristambeow]

wow. these comments are from some the biggest whiners i've ever seen. of all the crap that one comes across on youtube, they have to complain about being led to Thomas Ades conducting Stravinsky! it could Ades conducting freaking frank zappa for all i care. if you're so appalled, just click away. probably a bunch of pseudo intellectuals, poseurs the lot!

[japanesesweet]

this is video is terribly misleading!

LES NOCES by Stavinsky.

[ramsacloco]

Stravinsky's the best composer!

What a stupid video! "To make the piano make these sounds"

WHO Ades or Stravinsky??? Stupid misleading video!

[tommyk77]

Yeah, what piece/ composer are they praising, and when???

[FlorestanEusebius1]

This video is extremely misleadingly edited as it discusses Ades' music while he rehearses Stravinsky's 'Les Noces' in the background, apparently leading many people in this thread to believe that the music is Ades' own; it's not. To clarify: it's by Stravinsky.

[gatomontes99]

patented shit as Stravinsky would have said...

[2ndbaronet]

am sure some people thought the same of stravinsky's productions at the time !!! lol.

question is? will it stand the test of time.

[gatomontes99]

Maybe, but Stravinsky was doing then something new and different. Mr Ades repeats the same formulas of the 1950's and 60's which are just as bland as I-V-I.

[mrfilanges]

Firstly, what is the obsession with doing something new? What is wrong with simply something well orchestrated? Or using a pleasing pallet of musical colours? Secondly have you heard anything by Thomas Ades? There is nothing formulaic about it. He builds on the immediate past as has every great composer since Beethoven.

[tommyk77]

i'm not a fan sadly. powder her face is rubbish. i'm willing to give him a chance though. what would people recommend instead?

[freddydiamant]

America, A Prophecy

[2ndbaronet]

extraordinary energy and ability.

this piece very CARMINA BURANA

[golgicomplex]

This piece came before Carmina Burana. It was an influence on Carl Orff's writing.

[2ndbaronet]

puzzled by your comment !!!!!

Carmina Burana was written before the 2nd world war !!

ORFF was investigated after the war as to his contribution to nazi cultural propanganda, and was exonerated.

[tubaguy42]

puzzled by YOUR comment. what does Nazi propaganda and Orff have anything to do with what golgicomplex said about the dates?

Carmina Burana (1935-6) came about a while after Les Noces (1919, revised 1923)

[bighairybaby]

Why not a 'great' one? He's developed a good reputation as a conductor, he's a very fine pianist, and his music is absolutely beautiful. I think he will be remembered in much the same way as Britten is remembered now.

[youspoon1978]

The premiere of Tevot at the Barbican was amazing. And I think he's gorgeous.

[jannokas85]

Wow i've never heard of Thomas...i wonder what wonders will pour out of him? I hope composing won't become too competitive otherwise other composers who also compose beautiful and effective music wouldn't get the credit they're rightfully due...

[vitesenzafine]

Thomas Adès, a musician with a wonderfully efficient press office! But a good musician nonetheless (a "great" one? no).