I think the clash was from fear that the FTA agreement legislature gets passed in the Korean senate without the minority party present - since the GNP had the majority. Something about majority of the entire senate being present, 2/3 of the attending senators for the legislature can pass it - not sure about the exact rules. Bottom line - you can blockade off the senate floor and pass a bill if you are the majority party (and everyone in your party does as he or she is told). Not the best system.
And may god strike you down for lying to yourself. You call yourself propaganda buster, but you make propaganda videos about Korea's culture. Korean parliament has always been like that and it's become a part of its culture, and yet you make a satire out of it. Why? Did your sumo boyfriend tell you to do that? Did he tell you you can suck his nipple sized penis if you make this video? awww that is so repulsing and disgusting.
Koreans are always angry. Ethnic Koreans living in the US are some of the biggest con artists in the world. They think they can get away with it and they are. Fake names are used when they become American citizens. Easy scam. I say lets get the mob after them. It's a sad situation because US resources are dwindling.
@sniperx29x What kind of bullshit you get that from? From what I seen in my experience, most korean people are simply hard working, honest people living as citizens in the U.S. Do you really want to know who are the biggest con artists..?
It is a historical fact that Japanese people did tremendous illegal acts to
colonize Koreans.. The people who are actually brainwashing the rest of the world are Japanese people. During World War II Japanese people enslaved Koreans and took many women as military sex slaves. Japaenese
people deliberately exterminated Koreans by banning using Korean languages and soon. Later on, they did foolish act by attacking on Pearl Harbour that they got bombed by the U.S.A.
I love Parliamentary debates! Our US Congress is boring, dull, and completely free of passion for their jobs. I'd love to see some yelling and hopping in the Congress. Koreans are generally such peaceful people, it's quite out of character when they go nuts like this!
Hey Racist redneck propagandabuter. Why don't u talk about the corruption of Illinois governor who tried to sell Obama's senate seat? or the economical debacle u guys caused in this world? HYPOCRISY AT ITS BEST!!!
god bless for your pro war criminal japanese and anti korea sentiment passion and obsession. ^^
What about the USA invading and causing a genocide in Iraq? what about the war criminal japanese not admitting their brutal war crimes yet. Now all u anti korean pricks attack kroea!
you might be belittling the way koreans are protesting so frequently. However, it was due to the protest that brought democracy to south korea. Until 1897, korea was under military dictatorship. USA have constantly recommended the south korea's government to change it in to a democracy, however when they faced strong opposition from the korean government they just kept a blind eye. The Koreans still protested and got what they want
also to the owner of this video. Hi Italian guy, I Japan guy. We having 2 country that fight together in WW2! Nice to meet you! We almost sucess for destroy Asia and Europe. In alteration universal, myabe we ruling the Asia and the Europe together! I no supporting the Nazi anymore. And I no more supporting the WW2. Japan accept defeat from USA and now we friendship :-) Japan is number 1 and USA is number 2.
the reason I spoke badly of the U.S. previously was to make a point to Cloe. Don't antagonize us, don't single us out, don't be a hypocrite. every country as a vice of their own. I used the U.S. as an example simply because the U.S. is highly regarded as a morally enriched country in the world. And if the U.S. has that many problems, why wouldn't the rest of us? It's a rhetorical question. simply put, mind your own business and stop talking sh*t about my country (not you PB, I'm talking to Cloe)
What did West Germany do to support more than Japan? How are you measuring that? What are the units of measurement? What are the values applied to those units?
You mean the US markets are all open to Hyundai, Samsung, and LG, but Korea won't buy US beef? You mean US troops are in South Korea to create a credible deterrent to keep North Korea, China, and Russia out, but South Koreans do nothing to protect the USA?
I don't agree how some people are say bad things about South Korea Joonsuk, but it is sad and true that Korean politicians should not fight like this :( Jung-Min was laugh because after she watch news about this fighting, she said she watch similar show on satellite TV it's name Jerry Springer.
Of course it's sad, it's our problem. I just don't want to hear hypocritical comments from others who have an easy time saying whatever they want because they don't have to live in Korea; it's easy for them to criticize because it's not their problem. And it bothers me that they're not speaking the truth. One claims that we hate the countries that helped us. We hate whom? What the heck is he/she talking about? They don't even know how most Koreans think. I'm sick of their pedantic views
I asked one of them to stop replying to me because I honestly didn't want to continue this conversation (pointless really). But then someone else leaves a comment to me uttering nonsense. Well, at least she actually made a good point but still. It still wasn't accurate.
Yes Joonsuk and their lawyers making a killing with many frivolous lawsuits. Is your child over-weight and unhealthy from eating too much McDonald's? It's okay, sue them lol. There's one lawsuit that I agreed with though. Couple years back Fred Meyers was sued because they mislabeled the mass of meats on the packages. They included the weight of something other than meat, adding on mere cents to the price. But multiply that by millions of customers they get. Millions of free $
Who would have ever thought that the Terminator would become a governor in the U.S.? Oh, I nearly forgot about that pro wrestler... Jesse Ventura. Okay okay, who am I to judge, perhaps those guys were immensely talented who knows. Or maybe not =) Maybe all it takes to become a politician (unfortunately this goes for my beloved country too) is to have a little bit of influence and know the right people. You know what they say, it's not what you know but WHO you know
Neo Nazi skinheads and the KKK can't even seem to get along with each other. They are filled with so much hatred that they abhor each other. The FBI relentlessly pursued the American Italian "mobs" and antagonized the heck out of them to the public and ruined their reputation, yet the Neo Nazi groups and KKK are barely bothered with. The brave American soldiers that fought against the Nazi in WWII are rolling over in their graves because many Americans are going around chating "heil Hilter"
You hear many white Americans complaining of how "he/she only got the job because he/she is black" or "they're taking our jobs away". But that's what they THINK. The number of black people who report that they stole a job from a white man/woman thanks to their skin color is nonexistence. In truth, an employer can decide not to hire a black person and give legitimate sounding reasons to cover up the truth. The system can be manipulated.
It seems strange that the U.S. government recompenses the native American tribes by funding their casinos and what have you, yet they do nothing for black Americans. Oh wait, you do have something called affirmative action... equal opportunity. Oh wait, but that's just a blanket policy to cover up the truth that minorities are still discriminated against in the job market. In truth, save for few lawsuits that made headlines, how strictly is equal opportunity enforced. not very not really.
Why is your government spending YOUR hard earned money to bail out comapanies and banks that have gotten rich off of you in the first place? That fellow Bernard Madoff is something else. Reminds me of the Enron scandal you had years back, although I know that the 2 circumstances are vastly different. A fraud is a fraud. I wonder, if Hillary Clinton was elected as your president, if she would've had her revenge on Bill for Monica Lewinsky.
Recently, an American man in a Santa Claus outfit shot and killed 3. WOW! What's with you Americans and your bomb making skills? What's the deal with that Oregon bank bombing? Like father like son eh? What about the infamous Oklahoma bombing? Columbine? Tacoma Mall? Lee Harvey Oswald? WMD in Iraq? Really where? Have you caught Bin Laden yet? Better get on it, your soldiers are dying as we speak (God bless them seriously).
Then, drive over to a nearby Wal-Mart, and view the vast array of weapons on display. Buy one you like. Now, the concealed weapons permit is required IF you want to carry the firearm with you (there are few places where firearms are prohibited, but you can be strapped in most places) as long as it's "concealed". But even without the permit, you can still purchase a firearm, you just can't carry it.
Worry about your own country. It's no wonder you guys have so many fatal shootings in the U.S. And YES, I know of Cho Seung-hui. Obtaining a concealed weapons permit in the U.S. is as easy as obtaining a driver's license. In most states, you need to demonstrate familiarity with firearms by taking a course. Then you submit an application with a small fee. Upon approval (which you will be unless you've been previously convicted of a felony), you'll have your permit.
Some of you should stop playing the role of armchair politicians. It's absolutely ludicrous that you are reporting on the political disposition of a country that you are barely a part of. I lived in Seattle for a year, does that qualify me to harshly criticize the U.S.? What, you don't think I observed anything to pick on while I was there? Of course I did. Seriously, the U.S. is not the most morally enriched country in the world so get off your high horse. Don't be a hypocrite
Japan is a nation that spends more per capital than any other nation on safety and that places the highest dollar estimation on human life in safety matters. So when Japan bans something, it is because Japan's safety standards as much higher than other countries.
Anyone who has seen the filth, smell, and pollution of Korea first hand knows that the issue is not safety. That is only an excuse. The issue is simply that the farmers don't want to be driven out of business by US competition.
The stupid thing about South Korea is that they hate the countries that supported them the most with financial and military aid. The USA protected the freedoms that South Koreans enjoy during the Korean War. Japan offered equipment and logistical support and billions of dollars in aid.
The South Koreans are so ignorant, because they live in a very dangerous spot near North Korea, PR China, and Russia. They think they can take the USA and Japan for granted, but not when they act like this.
Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. Heaps of people were injured and even killed during the recent protests/riots in Thailand which lasted months. Second of all, this FTA was actually supported by the South Korean liberals during the previous liberal administration of Roh Moo-hyun, and now the liberals are mostly just posturing for the next elections. Finally, the emotional support for Obama was massive so I don't know what "apathetic American voters" means!
Japan has given a tremendous amount of economic assistance to China and South Korea in the name of better relations. So I was shocked to find out that the common people in those countries do not know about it at all. Japan financed the airports and subways, but there is no notice at any Chinese or South Korean airports and subways. Instead, you can find anti-Japanese propaganda. After China massacred its own people at Tiananmen Square in 1989 they developed anti-Japanese brainwashing in 1994.
@CloeBuckingham support your facts by showing evidence that japanese has given us a tremendous amount of economic assistance you can't just write things that you just heard with no evidence.
you don't even know whats really going on between those two countries and yet you try to sound like you do. japanese government is still denying their damn war crimes and are still saying that dokdo island is their's learn about the matter before you open your mouth next time.
Not once single battle was fought in Korea during World War II. Korea and Japan were the same country. The burden of war crimes committed in other countries should be shared between Korea and Japan because (1) Korea and Japan were one country; (2) those of Korean dissent served in the Imperial Army and committed war crimes as well as those of Japanese dissent; (3) representatives of Korean dissent sat in the Japanese Diet during World War II, not only as representatives of Korea, but also Tokyo.
@CloeBuckingham (1) Then why did Japan decided to get out of Korea after WWII? (2) If there were Korean generals and politicians who made decisions that directly led to war crimes, they should be held accountable. But the Koreans did not create the war engine that Japan was. (3) Some Korean nobility and aristocrats were *appointed* to the House of Peers, along with titles of nobility and monetary payment for playing along. Not true representation. Korean residents had no rights to be elected.
@lakais7 (1) No choice. The USA and its allies mandated that Japan get out of Korea. (2) Koreans also committed war crimes in Vietnam long after Japan's influence had waned. (3) There was a Korean member of the Diet representing Tokyo who was elected. In 1932 Pak Ch'un-Kum won nearly 7000 votes and a seat in the Diet of Japan. There were only 1236 Korean voters in his Tokyo district, so most of his votes came from Japanese.
"Of the 148 Koreans convicted of war crimes [during WWII], some 23 would eventually be executed." The remainder were cleared by a Korean government commission, because they were only Class B and C war criminals, too low level to deserve punishment.
When I saw that video, I couldn't stop laughing either. What's worse, the DP's with their sledgehammers and fire hoses or the GNP barricading themselves with desks and mattresses?!?! LMAO!
It seems to me that the ROK legislators are trying to compete with the Taiwanese parliament in the use of fisticuffs to solve political issues. But as you said, they certainly have passion.
I don't think the GNP did anything violent. The violence came from the DP. These are crypto-communists who have a policy of brainwashing school children that the North Korean dictator Kim Jong-Il is a great man. There power base is not Seoul, but the unsophisticated Southwest, and during Kim and Roh's presidency, they lavished spending on the Southwest, while Seoul was left with old sewers, stinking like a ****house.
The basic tactic of the South Korean government is: (1) demand compensation from Japan for victims to improved relations; (2) steal the money and give almost nothing to victims; (3) don't tell the South Korean people that Japan pays for South Korea's development; (4) teach school children to hate Japan and love Dictator Kim Jong-Il; (5) Keep lying to the SK people that Japan never paid compensation; (6) Claim that Japan never apologised when almost every Japanese PM since 1995 has apologised.
Seriously, why don't you respond to my claim. You've been side-stepping this the whole time.
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE AND JUSTIFICATION FOR ALL OF YOUR ACCUSATIONS? I TOLD YOU, JUST BECAUSE YOU ASSERT A CLAIM, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE OR VALID UNTIL YOU CAN BACK IT UP. YET YOU CONTINUE TO OVERWHELM YOUR CASE WITH PSEUDO-KNOWLEDGE. LET US SEE SOME PROOF FOR YOUR CLAIMS SO WE KNOW YOU'RE NOT FULL OF SHIT.
For example, you spoke on the basic tactics of the S. Korean government. WHERE did you obtain this information? You can't say, because it's not based on a credible academic resource. You're on your own on this one, you have nothing to back you up.
You lost credibility with me long time ago. Just know this. You can entertain and influence the feable minded demography with your quasi education, but you will never reach the true academic community -- those of us who are truly inquisitive of knowing the truth with proper evidence. Please do me a favour now. Continue on with our ranting all you want, just don't respond to me ok? This will be my last comment to you and I don't require a reply.
Basic Relations Treaty 한일기본조약: South Korea agreed to demand NO FURTHER COMPENSATION after receiving almost $1B from Japan in 1965. Do South Koreans honour that?!
South Korea requested much of the money to compensate 1M Korean conscripted workforce.
South Korea only paid $300 per death in 1975 and 1977.
"The South Korean government claimed that it would handle individual compensation to its citizens... while rejecting Japan's proposal to directly compensate individual victims."
"Any foreigner who visits Korea knows that South Korean children are totally brainwashed to hate Japanese."
"Why should these private moments be on television? It's a ploy by President Kim to get his Nobel Prize with his stupid and useless 'Sunshine Policy.'"
"When I mention emotional immaturity, I mean all those people watching TVs in South Korea who where crying during family reunifications. They had nothing to do with those families. They were just manipulated. "
The framers in South Korea don't protest because of mad cow disease, which is extremely rare in the USA. (There was one cow from Canada which had it.) They protest because they want to keep high prices for the beef they produce. You seem to underestimate the intelligence of non-Koreans.
When I mention emotional immaturity, I mean all those people watching TVs in South Korea who where crying during family reunifications. They had nothing to do with those families. They were just manipulated.
Your comments are barely made up of solid evidence. The little you do have, they are loosely tied together with your claims. On top of that, you express your opinions without letting the readers know that they are strictly your opinions. That is fallacious because you assume too much authority, more than what readers are willing to grant you.
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It seems like you spent a great deal of time accumulating a wide array of knowledge without mastering any one particular area. That could potentially lead you to sounding like a cheap tabloid rather than a credible source. Refrain from further attempts at speaking about a country you don't know much about. Really, where do you get off doing that? Apparently it doesn't register through your thick skull that that's extremely rude. or maybe you just don't care to mind your manners.
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You obviously take pride in yourself. You're also very opinionated. You have a better than average mode of asserting your claims. Just a friendly tip though, ignoring and side stepping a direct counter argument against you works on most people, but not on someone who is keenly inclined to debating.
Where is your evidence for those comments? You are talking out of your butt. Your case is conjured up out of thin air. In graduate school, we call that "hand waving". It refers to using excessive hand motions to compensate for lack of knowledge or a weak foundation. In your case I'm sure you're not actually waving your hand but you bombard the page with sheer VOLUME of material rather than concise and ACCURATE information
Ideally you want to have both volume and weight in your case. But if you have to choose one, do opt for the good stuff ok? Yea that's right, substance. "All those people watching TV" Who? And they all cried? LOL. Were you there? Have much experience growing up in South Korea do you? How else could you claim that Korean children are being brainwashed? LOL. oh, because according to you, it's so blatantly obvious to a third party viewer that "any foreigner" KNOWS of this? xD get outta town! lol
Look, I don't want to be hostile towards you. The bottom line is, we don't know each other. You REALLy don't know much about Koreans. That's why I invite you to come visit us. You don't have to, but I have a feeling you'll change your mind about many things. This world we live in, it's so beautiful and ugly at the same time no? The beauty of it is, we're all the same people. What's ugly is, we can also be very different, which inevitably leads to conflict.
I am not saying that the reunified families are emotionally immature because they cried when they met each other. Of course, that is normal and natural to do. What surprised me is how South Korea seemed to come to a stop when these reunifications were played on television. Why should these private moments be on television? It's a ploy by President Kim to get his Nobel Prize with his stupid and useless "Sunshine Policy." It does not benefit the families.
In the 1965 treaty, Japan insisted that the aid it gave South Korea go to victims of WWII, such as South Koreans forced to work in Japan. But the South Korean government stole the money from those victims and lied to them that Japan never paid compensation.
Japan has paid billions of dollars to build up South Korea before and after WWII. But South Koreans seem completely ignorant of this. The basic lesson of relations with South Korea is this: Never help South Korea. It's a waste of money.
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There are numerous North Korean schools for North Koreans in Japan. That makes the Japanese communists as well according to your line of reasoning. If you are serious about what you're trying to accomplish (your profile suggests you are some sort of crusader on a mission to change the world), then you need to educate yourself further. No offense man, I respect your intentions I really do. But instead of knowing a little about everything, know everything about a little. you'd be more effective
How do "North Koreans in Japan" make "Japanese in Japan" communists? Of course, Japan would be better off if all Koreans in Japan finally returned to Korea. These people keep their Korean citizenship to avoid paying taxes, but they receive all the social benefits of Japanese citizens.
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"Yep, they supported the north korea & allowed to built nuclear facilities as a result. And they never accuse the north korea of kidnapping the citizens. Pure commies. "
Nope, sorry. They "supported the North"? You have no idea what you're talking about. We provided aid to the North Korean PEOPLE, not their government. And did you know that nuclear power is used for many reasons other than making weapons? Please, doing a quick google search does not constitute knowledge
President Kim and Roh gave aid to North Korea, which was redirected by the government for military use. Some of the aid was financial, not just food for the starving people. President Kim had to pay billions of won for every temporary family reunification. President Kim and President Roh never complained to North Korea about the thousands of South Koreans they abducted. President Kim and President Roh ARE crypto-communists. They brainwashed school children to love dictator Kim Jong-Il.
Former President Kim and Roh are crypto-communists. They force a policy to teach school children that dictator Kim Jong-Il is a great man and that Japan and the USA are devils.
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"Former President Kim and Roh are crypto-communists."
Get out of town miss LOL. You foreal? Ever been to school in South Korea? I'm serious, answer my questions. When I was in middle school, we watched Korean War films protraying the northern communists as terrible monsters. We are constantly bombarded by footages of North Koreans starving while Kim Jong-Il lives in wealth. And Koreans hate Japanese as much as they hate us. The USA are devils? No we think the U.S. is a big bully, not the devil
Any foreigner who visits Korea knows that South Korean children are totally brainwashed to hate Japanese. This could never happen in Australia, Japan, the USA, or any other developed country:
watch?v=4hoXS3DsIOA Anti-Japanese schooling in South Korea
watch?v=JNE0-BYlv0c Anti-Japanese education of south Korean. 韓国の小中学校で行われている反日教育
South Koreans LOVE US beef. But the farmers love protectionism. But how can you justify having protectionism in one industry and not all? Obviously, if SK blocks import of beef, the USA should block import of everything.
The SK government is highly trade dependent. Without trade, what is SK? Look at how the won is ping ponging with the ups and downs of the world economy.
The whole SK economy is smaller than Wal-Mart. The next time SK crashes, Soros can just buy the whole place.
Look at what he discovered on the front of the Korean newspaper, oh but wait... he can't read Korean! Hey, Fat Tony, do you know what the Free trade agreement does? It allows the Americans to sell whatever they want in foreign countries, tax free, while those countries America wants free trade agreements with, are not allowed to sell products in America. Youre such a moron. Again, you sit there moving your mouth, but all that comes out of it is shit. You idiot.
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Conversely, have YOU read the free trade agreement? It's ad logicam; just because the proof/argument he/she offered is invalid, that doesn't make the whole topic invalid. For example, just because my explanation on why the sky is blue is invalid (the sky is blue because of blue kool-aid), it doesn't mean the sky is not blue. some times a bad argument represents a good idea.
What... the.. heck... are you talking about hahaha. When did I proclaim that I intended to argue against the free trade agreement? Understand that you are now beginning to frustrate me. Please attempt to match me at my level of thinking, otherwise, well whatever. And please, don't speak on behalf of Koreans. You really don't know what's going on. You don't have a clear grasp on the issue at hand. You are displaying the ugly side of free speech
I'll let you in on THE biggest argumentative fallacies you continously commit. You keep laying down unilateral perspectives on complex topics as if YOU are the ultimate authority figure. You recite the same weak points ad nauseam. You think that just because you have AN answer for something, somehow magically your answer is THE answer. You don't consider the counter arguments, instead you keep driving forward stubbornly with your opinions disguised as facts.
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Besides, if South Korea was such a horrible country, then surely the people of South Korea must be equally as bad? Isn't that what you're ultimately trying to say? According to you, our leaders are a bunch of commies and scoundrels, and since they represent the people of South korea what does that make someone like me? Seriously, give me a break ok. When did you ever see me or any other Korean go to a video concerning Australia and make accusations?
President Kim and Roh were not elected by 100% of South Koreans. They were elected by a narrow margin of South Koreans who happened to vote. Of course, some South Koreans still have enough common sense to understand the threat of North Korea despite all the propaganda from the Democrats in South Korea. Also, Kim and Roh have their power base in the corrupt and unsophisticated Southwest. People in Seoul are much more sophisticated. Anyone can see this on visiting Korea.
Seeing as how you're talking all this crap about my country, you probably had a miserable time. Well, that sucks I don't know what to tell you. But still, having lived here for a year isn't enough to fairly judge a nation riddled with thousands of years of history. I was born and raised here so yea maybe I'm biased. But I know this much, despite how you feel about us, I know that we are nation of generosity and warmth. Yea sometimes things get out of hand, but what nation isn't guilty of that???
Under the yangban, before the Japanese educated the masses, 99% of Koreans were illiterate peasants. The yangban only educated yangban, the top 1%. So it doesn't really matter if Korea has a 6,000 year history, or a billion year history, because people can only absorb this information if they are educated. The yangban abandoned the Korean people to such an uncivilised state, but the Japanese educated them in Japanese.
Of course, most Koreans are warm and generous. I have not spoken on that yet.
And I have not spoken on the level of education either. You never accused Koreans of being uneducated and illiterate, therefore I wasn't addressing that issue (it's not true anyway, never was). The reason I mentioned our history is because you think you know so much about a country that's been around for 1000's of years just because you lived in it for ONE YEAR.
Also, you mentioned that the Japanese have educated Koreans. That is my favorite topic to argue because I've heard it so many times before. The Japanese taught Koreans how to read/write/speak Japanese. They also taught Koreans Japanese culture and history. They were basically trying to systematically break down Korea from the inside out. Do NOT mistaken this "education" with what we consider as education today.
And they also like burning photos of Japanese Prime Minister and the Japanese Emperor more than anything else. The funniest thing about S.Koreans is that they state seriously they hope to have "better relationship with Japan" with all these insulting acts. OK, S.Koreans, I can tell you, you can do it if you become mature enough to do without a hammer and fire to decide the nation's policies, neither of which is necessary in a real democratic country.
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I think it'll serve your time much better for you to just concern yourself with your own country and your own life. Hold on a min. I'm not saying that we should live in utter ignorance in terms of foreign affairs. No no no. It's good that you actually care about what's going on around the world, but don't do it to the point of you sounding like a hypocrite.
LOLOL!! This is hilarious, to be honest, I am not jelous at all, those Korean politicians are crazy. :) You are right, those Thais have the right idea.
Thanks to you, next time I see a white American walking down the street (trust me, there are more and more American immigrants in Korea, have been for many years in Japan), I'll remember your words and I'll relay that message to them effectively. I'll throw bottles, rocks, dirt, anything. Do you people seriously want an all out war? Do you think Koreans don't have allies? You think we're afraid? you're just a number to your rich corporations and politicians. you're being used by your own kind
What IS my business is that your country CLAIMS to be a free country, therefore accepting immigration, collecting Korean Americans' tax dollars, upholding them to all the laws and regulations as anyone else, even benefitting from many Korean scientists who are currently working in your country, YET you treat them like second class people. If you want to treat them that way, then exempt them from responsibilities as Americans. No taxes, no laws, true FREEDOM. how about it?
Funny when Columbine happened, were people throwing bottles at the "whites"? When Oklahoma bombing occured, were people throwing rocks at whites? When the Enron scandal took place, were people singling out only the whites? Just recently in Oregon, 2 white men were responsible for the bombing of a bank resulting in deaths of police officers. Are you people throwing crap at whites as we speak? I could go on and on about white people in your country committing crimes, but it's none of my business
ReflectiaX, what is your problem? Stop pretending to be Korean because I know you from another video, and you tried to belittle me for making a pro-Korean statement. "Get a life" is what you told me remember? Wow... you're pathetic dude. I'm Korean and I know that Korea is NOT number 1. We don't have to be for me to love my country. You seriously need to get a life man. You're trying to make Koreans look dumb and prideful by making comments like "Korea is No.1! Jap sucks"... STFU dude
You make many good points, but still the legislators belonging to the opposition should not behave so childishly. The people in the Southwest have too much influence on politics.
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Easy for you to judge. When's the last time you tried to run a nation? Small or otherwise. Let's observe on a micro scale. How good of a diplomat are you among the people in your life? How good of a negotiator are you? Judge? Policy maker? In everyday life, we don't use those terms like "policies" I know. But still, we are constantly evaluating and reevaluating, making judgements, mending broken relationships, maintaining good ones, making sure to get along with the neighbors..
BTW, our favorite enemy isnt the U.S. or China or whatever. Technically speaking we only have one enemy - North Korea. But because the land was divided in half in such haste many family members suffered dismemberment between north and south. My girl friend's grandmother is still in North Korea somewhere assuming she is even alive. The South also harbors defectors from the North. You see, that's the ONLY thing preventing us from destroying those sons of b*****s, because we hope to reunite one day
The moral of the story is this. In reality, perhaps >1% of the population opposed importing beef from the U.S. But the media blew it out of proportions, both in the U.S. and in Korea. Also, it's interesting to note that the bulk of the protestors were composed of president Lee opposers who were simply using this issue as a backdrop to express their animosity toward president Lee, NOT the importation of U.S. beef. With all due respect PropagandaBuster, you don't live in Korea so you wouldn't know
The U.S. has assured that their beef is safe. And that organs that are more likely carrying the disease will be discarded of before shipping the beef to Korea. Protestors in Korea were not happy with this answer. However, the majority of the Koreans didn't perceive the threat of mad cow disease. Subsequently, we now import beef from the U.S. and so far no case of mad cow disease has surfaced.
About importing beef from the U.S. A select few minority groups in Korea have protested against importing beef from the U.S. not because they blindly hate the U.S. but because they felt that the U.S. was not willing to meet the Koreans' standards in terms of selecting safe beef. Cows over a certain age are much more susceptible at contracting mad cows disease, which the U.S. was trying to pawn off to Korea. Not Japan, not any other country, JUST Korea.
I want to believe you JoonSuk, but you can't just blame MBC, KBS, SBS, etc. for the fact there were no large scale protests in Seoul against Chinese exports of poisoned kimchi, dairy products and other foods into the ROK?! If I had seen that kind of anger directed at the Chinese who were actually poisoning Koreans, I'd believe that Koreans are simply hyper-vigilant about their food but there was something else at play in those US beef protests and I'm inclined to believe they were pro-NK.
Tamar1973, the beef protests had nothing to do with food safety, although that was the so-called pretext. It was all about the progressives who had lost the recent elections trying to discredit the Lee Myung-bak administration, and thereby grab back power that they had lost at the ballot box. Thus, they were fundamentally anti-democratic in nature; the only shocking thing is how many ordinary Koreans fell for this naked power play, especially when Korean beef is actually less clean than US beef!
South Korea is situated next to three dangerous countries: Russia, PR China, and North Korea. The USA and Japan supported the freedoms people enjoy in the South by defending them in the Korean War, in the US military bases, and through financial assistance. Unfortunately, the South Koreans are so focused on their imagined injustices, most dating from before WWII, that they are willing to ruin those relationships. But when South Korea gets into trouble, who will help them?
That's actually a good point. But, just because we didn't protest against the Chinese doesn't prove that we had ulterior motives when we the U.S. beefo protest took place. I don't see how one proves the other. Let me use a parable. I'm a business owner and two of my suppliers are either trying to or already have sold me bad products. I take it up to one of the providers about this, but I leave the other alone. Sure on the surface it would seem I'm mad at one but not at the other.
But perhaps I chose to deal with them in two separate ways. For one, I decided to discontinue the buyer-seller relationship with one provider instead of expressing my anger. Cut and dry isn't it? Secondly, I decided to argue my way with the second provider to get him/her to sell me decent products instead of terminating our business relationship.
The only problem with your argument is the first supplier, the USA actually had a very good product with no proven illness etc while the Chinese stuff actually did hurt and kill people. Why be quiet about the deadly stuff and be so vocal about the good stuff?!
Because South Koreans are not rational. There are many crypto-communists in South Korea who believe their own absurd propaganda. Also, South Korea knows that if they protest the USA or Japan, nothing bad will happen. But PR China takes revenge for even the smallest insult, such as former President of Taiwan, Lee Teng-hui, giving a talk at his alma mater Cornell. He took those actions as a private individual, but PR China used it as an excuse to subvert the Taiwanese economy.
Tamar1973: That has exactly been my point. The silence on their part towards deadly Chinese products is further proof the good people in those demonstrations were being exploited by communist sympathizes who instigated and organized those demonstrations.
You're pointing out a hole in my argument that doesn't exist. If you had considered my comment more carefully... Well for one thing, I mentioned that being quiet about something doesn't mean we didn't care. My parable clearly implied that many Koreans are boycotting Chinese products instead of being vocal about it. The U.S. beef has been "proven" to be safe, but statistics showed that cows over a certain age more MORE prone to contracting mad cow. MORE. We simply didn't want that
joonsuk88: Then why not boycott USA beef in silence as you afford that luxury towards deadly Chinese products? You allow the market place to boycott the death coming from China, yet you did not want to allow the market place to boycott USA beef. By the way, USA beef is selling in South Korea now. So what's the big deal?
I enjoy your comments and videos because you seem very reasonable. Ok to answer your questions. I dont' know why we opted not to quietly boycott U.S. beef. My theory is, the U.S. beef protests were led by MB opposors, you know, how when there's a mob, all it takes it that one thing to trigger a mass effect. Also, yes we buy US beef now. So this topic is a thing of the past. Except that certain people here can't seem to stop talking badly about my country
Imagine you're about to take a bite out of a steak, but you're given two choices. You're told that one steak came from a younger cow that had a lesser probability that it had M.C. disease. The other came from an older cow that had a HIGHER probability. Not that it most definitely did have MC, but simply HIGHER chance. Honestly, which steak would you opt for? If it's as easy as making a choice, which would you take? Exactly, why is the U.S. selling younger cows to other countries but not us?
When all your Korean students in the USA eat beef, do they ask the age of the beef before they eagerly consume it? How many Korean students returned to Korea from the USA with mad cow?
No no no. The beef that you consume yourselves in the U.S. are all strictly monitored to be within the safe limit. It's the beef that you're exporting to Korea that is at higher risk. At least that's what they were protesting remember? Hey listen, I was never part of that crowd. I'm not anti-US, as most Koreans aren't either. You allow the few to speak for the rest of us who are just quietly living our lives in peace. Don't buy into the propaganda man.
Hey moron apologist, Korean beef (hanwoo) has a lower safety rating for BSE than US beef according to the OIE. Also, the US sells beef over 30 months old to over 90 other countries around the world. Get your facts straight before talking BS and looking like such an idiot.
I kindly reading your comment. I japan guy number one who is not embarrass of Japan's sexy culture. You mentioning that USA sell beef over 30 months old to 90 countries. You did not mentioning that since the BSE scare, of the 90 country many country want to renegotiate beef dealing. Excuse kindly my English. I only start learns 4 weeks time before. Japan friendship with USA allow beef under 30 months =) Korea no getting this deal because Korea is sucks! Must be destroy!
Anyway I also mentioned many comments ago (before you came aboard) that a large bulk of the demonstrators were comprised of MB opposors. They couldn't care less about the U.S. beef. So, what are you trying to prove? If you feel such animosity about our country, why don't you just, I don't know. What makes you want to live here?
joonsuk88: Then I apologize for butting into a private comment session. Perhaps when commenting on a thread with multiple users you may want to start off with the name of the person you intend your comment to be directed at. Just a suggestion.
thanks. Good point. I just figured that when I hit the reply button, that person would get a message in their inbox stating that someone has replied. But yes if you're going straight off what's displayed on the page, it could look confusing with this many people. I'll take your advice ;)
look, the news that you get there about south Korea, and what the actual people of south korea have to deal with on a day to day basis is different. you of all people should know this. for example, while the protests were going on, do you think that the whole country was going nuts? like you could walk down a street and people were all just talking crap about the US? as if all the schools in korea were teaching anti-US sentiments? dude, believe it or not, it wasn't even a huge deal here.
I don't feel animosity towards Korea at all. I just wish people were less gullible. We had similar protests a few years ago in the USA, about the Iraq War. Some were protesting the Iraq but many were carrying signs about left-wing causes like amnesty for illegals, Palestinian rights etc, which had *nothing* to with Iraq. Many people didn't know those protests were organized by International ANSWER which has direct links to NK. Just like many SK didn't know the same about the beef protests.
I understand. Believe me I wish that too. But call me a fence sitter if you will, I tend to see both sides of a controversy. I don't believe in right or wrong per se when it comes to ambiguous cases. Some topics are cut n dry and there are definite rights and wrongs. anyway my big thing was and still is, I would like CLOE to stop what he/she is doing. Freedom of speech sure, we have that here in S.Korea too. But if it becomes rude, don't they want to stop on their own? I guess not!
First off I'd like to mention that your videos in general are great, both in context and delivery. I've come to appreciate the different angles with which you approach an issue so that close minded and bias people may see another side of the issues at hand. For that you are indeed a propaganda buster. But in this vid you mention that the "favorite enemy" of S.Korea is the U.S. Now, you are CREATING propaganda. Do not become enslaved by the media, mainstream or otherwise. Catch my drift? =)
Basically, South Koreans are emotionally immature. They are extremely sentimental.
Former President Kim almost bankrupted Hyundai to bribe North Korea to allow a few families to be reunified for a few hours. I recall on television seeing some family reunifications for only a few hours, and all of South Korea was crying. They are so sentimental. It is extremely childish.
Anyway, this is how former President Kim bought his Nobel Prize, with the failed "Sunshine Policy." What a waste of tax.
What's wrong with people these days and their inability to make a solid argument? That includes you. You can't make a claim like "South Koreans are emotionally immature". Do you realize how fallacious that statement is? You can't properly assess the political situation in South Korea just because you've read or seen a few articles. People think they hold a doctorate on something just because they "researched" it. Am I wrong? If I am, show me how you are qualified to make such claims?
Many Koreans are emotionally immature, because rather than acting based on rational self-interest, they are getting swept away by emotion and irrational hopes. So the fantasy is treated as fact. Not only did President Kim and Roh think that the dictator Kim Jong-Il was a great man, they tried to force this propaganda on school children. If they are not emotionally immature, they must be evil. Joy about a few, brief family reunifications while the national security is compromised is silly.
With your communist shirt...
hoghash78 5 months ago
I think the clash was from fear that the FTA agreement legislature gets passed in the Korean senate without the minority party present - since the GNP had the majority. Something about majority of the entire senate being present, 2/3 of the attending senators for the legislature can pass it - not sure about the exact rules. Bottom line - you can blockade off the senate floor and pass a bill if you are the majority party (and everyone in your party does as he or she is told). Not the best system.
lakais7 5 months ago
Kay grapmy get a fuckin life
shineeFANlovers 6 months ago
And may god strike you down for lying to yourself. You call yourself propaganda buster, but you make propaganda videos about Korea's culture. Korean parliament has always been like that and it's become a part of its culture, and yet you make a satire out of it. Why? Did your sumo boyfriend tell you to do that? Did he tell you you can suck his nipple sized penis if you make this video? awww that is so repulsing and disgusting.
MASHDOTCOM 1 year ago
Koreans are always angry. Ethnic Koreans living in the US are some of the biggest con artists in the world. They think they can get away with it and they are. Fake names are used when they become American citizens. Easy scam. I say lets get the mob after them. It's a sad situation because US resources are dwindling.
sniperx29x 1 year ago
@sniperx29x What kind of bullshit you get that from? From what I seen in my experience, most korean people are simply hard working, honest people living as citizens in the U.S. Do you really want to know who are the biggest con artists..?
VanillaSnow23 1 year ago
It is a historical fact that Japanese people did tremendous illegal acts to
colonize Koreans.. The people who are actually brainwashing the rest of the world are Japanese people. During World War II Japanese people enslaved Koreans and took many women as military sex slaves. Japaenese
people deliberately exterminated Koreans by banning using Korean languages and soon. Later on, they did foolish act by attacking on Pearl Harbour that they got bombed by the U.S.A.
Mslovalife 1 year ago
Yo...PropagandaBuster
Hey Man. Love the ancient (And the embellishment). Your commentaries and delivery of your point of view is entertaining and informative.
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creaturebotman 1 year ago
@creaturebotman - Thank you for your compliment and subscription.
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
That was funny ,and so true !
lexarquette 2 years ago
1st, you're not fucking funny and just get to your point
and 2nd learn your shit before you talk you ignorant fuck you don't know what really happen
and don't just descrimnate just against koreans its all human beings that are selfish
fuck you
DCindustries619 2 years ago 5
Why you laughing you idiot?
level of passion? if they did that they'd be considered Crazy. Also your an Idiot for not knowing the protesters are ProNorthKorea!
BreezyBrisbane 2 years ago 4
its democrat and not demicrat
demo meaning people
and not demi meaning partially
radnasty69 2 years ago
It is the way I want to say it for my videos.
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
wait wait wait
South korea's government isn't a parliment
and plus you are being a bit too biased here
do more positive videos about korea from now on
Porsche1080 2 years ago
What a dork
DeadJerker 2 years ago 2
What that a question or a statement?
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
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Do you know...?
We Korean make the Christ.
That's why Korea is No.1 country on the planet. Dirty monkey Jap should be dead.
ReflectiaX 3 years ago
You are not Korean, you are just a provocateur.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
yea you just want to start something stupid
theman0818 2 years ago
I love Parliamentary debates! Our US Congress is boring, dull, and completely free of passion for their jobs. I'd love to see some yelling and hopping in the Congress. Koreans are generally such peaceful people, it's quite out of character when they go nuts like this!
MikeOfKorea 3 years ago
MikeOfKorea:
What is your current profession in Korea? Just curious.
Not sure how many Koreans called you a failure in the States because you are an expat in Korea, but those people are idiots.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Hey Racist redneck propagandabuter. Why don't u talk about the corruption of Illinois governor who tried to sell Obama's senate seat? or the economical debacle u guys caused in this world? HYPOCRISY AT ITS BEST!!!
god bless for your pro war criminal japanese and anti korea sentiment passion and obsession. ^^
vgjp222 3 years ago
What about the USA invading and causing a genocide in Iraq? what about the war criminal japanese not admitting their brutal war crimes yet. Now all u anti korean pricks attack kroea!
LOL nice....hypocrisy at its best!
vgjp222 3 years ago
they LOVEEEEE to protest.. better than guns, and bombs..lol
wowwowthere 3 years ago
WoW iamjapanlchiban that comment....Japan is no 1 now?
dokkiro 3 years ago
you might be belittling the way koreans are protesting so frequently. However, it was due to the protest that brought democracy to south korea. Until 1897, korea was under military dictatorship. USA have constantly recommended the south korea's government to change it in to a democracy, however when they faced strong opposition from the korean government they just kept a blind eye. The Koreans still protested and got what they want
I strongly insist you to view this video clip.
hyunchulro 3 years ago
also to the owner of this video. Hi Italian guy, I Japan guy. We having 2 country that fight together in WW2! Nice to meet you! We almost sucess for destroy Asia and Europe. In alteration universal, myabe we ruling the Asia and the Europe together! I no supporting the Nazi anymore. And I no more supporting the WW2. Japan accept defeat from USA and now we friendship :-) Japan is number 1 and USA is number 2.
IamJapanIchiban 3 years ago
the reason I spoke badly of the U.S. previously was to make a point to Cloe. Don't antagonize us, don't single us out, don't be a hypocrite. every country as a vice of their own. I used the U.S. as an example simply because the U.S. is highly regarded as a morally enriched country in the world. And if the U.S. has that many problems, why wouldn't the rest of us? It's a rhetorical question. simply put, mind your own business and stop talking sh*t about my country (not you PB, I'm talking to Cloe)
joonsuk88 3 years ago
What did West Germany do to support more than Japan? How are you measuring that? What are the units of measurement? What are the values applied to those units?
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
It it is so complicated, why don't you explain the complications rather than just insulting?
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
Korea's relationship with the US is simple: All take, no give. It's the same if you're talking about the North or the South.
You're the dumbass.
KingBaeksu 3 years ago
You mean the US markets are all open to Hyundai, Samsung, and LG, but Korea won't buy US beef? You mean US troops are in South Korea to create a credible deterrent to keep North Korea, China, and Russia out, but South Koreans do nothing to protect the USA?
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
JS88, you're about as retarded as the Korean legislators in this video.
KingBaeksu 3 years ago
I don't agree how some people are say bad things about South Korea Joonsuk, but it is sad and true that Korean politicians should not fight like this :( Jung-Min was laugh because after she watch news about this fighting, she said she watch similar show on satellite TV it's name Jerry Springer.
Craypastel 3 years ago
Of course it's sad, it's our problem. I just don't want to hear hypocritical comments from others who have an easy time saying whatever they want because they don't have to live in Korea; it's easy for them to criticize because it's not their problem. And it bothers me that they're not speaking the truth. One claims that we hate the countries that helped us. We hate whom? What the heck is he/she talking about? They don't even know how most Koreans think. I'm sick of their pedantic views
joonsuk88 3 years ago
I asked one of them to stop replying to me because I honestly didn't want to continue this conversation (pointless really). But then someone else leaves a comment to me uttering nonsense. Well, at least she actually made a good point but still. It still wasn't accurate.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Anyway go check out Tamar1973's channel. She's pretty cool, I can't be mad at a pretty girl like that @_@ kk
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Yes Joonsuk and their lawyers making a killing with many frivolous lawsuits. Is your child over-weight and unhealthy from eating too much McDonald's? It's okay, sue them lol. There's one lawsuit that I agreed with though. Couple years back Fred Meyers was sued because they mislabeled the mass of meats on the packages. They included the weight of something other than meat, adding on mere cents to the price. But multiply that by millions of customers they get. Millions of free $
Craypastel 3 years ago
Who would have ever thought that the Terminator would become a governor in the U.S.? Oh, I nearly forgot about that pro wrestler... Jesse Ventura. Okay okay, who am I to judge, perhaps those guys were immensely talented who knows. Or maybe not =) Maybe all it takes to become a politician (unfortunately this goes for my beloved country too) is to have a little bit of influence and know the right people. You know what they say, it's not what you know but WHO you know
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Neo Nazi skinheads and the KKK can't even seem to get along with each other. They are filled with so much hatred that they abhor each other. The FBI relentlessly pursued the American Italian "mobs" and antagonized the heck out of them to the public and ruined their reputation, yet the Neo Nazi groups and KKK are barely bothered with. The brave American soldiers that fought against the Nazi in WWII are rolling over in their graves because many Americans are going around chating "heil Hilter"
joonsuk88 3 years ago
You hear many white Americans complaining of how "he/she only got the job because he/she is black" or "they're taking our jobs away". But that's what they THINK. The number of black people who report that they stole a job from a white man/woman thanks to their skin color is nonexistence. In truth, an employer can decide not to hire a black person and give legitimate sounding reasons to cover up the truth. The system can be manipulated.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
It seems strange that the U.S. government recompenses the native American tribes by funding their casinos and what have you, yet they do nothing for black Americans. Oh wait, you do have something called affirmative action... equal opportunity. Oh wait, but that's just a blanket policy to cover up the truth that minorities are still discriminated against in the job market. In truth, save for few lawsuits that made headlines, how strictly is equal opportunity enforced. not very not really.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Why is your government spending YOUR hard earned money to bail out comapanies and banks that have gotten rich off of you in the first place? That fellow Bernard Madoff is something else. Reminds me of the Enron scandal you had years back, although I know that the 2 circumstances are vastly different. A fraud is a fraud. I wonder, if Hillary Clinton was elected as your president, if she would've had her revenge on Bill for Monica Lewinsky.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Recently, an American man in a Santa Claus outfit shot and killed 3. WOW! What's with you Americans and your bomb making skills? What's the deal with that Oregon bank bombing? Like father like son eh? What about the infamous Oklahoma bombing? Columbine? Tacoma Mall? Lee Harvey Oswald? WMD in Iraq? Really where? Have you caught Bin Laden yet? Better get on it, your soldiers are dying as we speak (God bless them seriously).
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Then, drive over to a nearby Wal-Mart, and view the vast array of weapons on display. Buy one you like. Now, the concealed weapons permit is required IF you want to carry the firearm with you (there are few places where firearms are prohibited, but you can be strapped in most places) as long as it's "concealed". But even without the permit, you can still purchase a firearm, you just can't carry it.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Worry about your own country. It's no wonder you guys have so many fatal shootings in the U.S. And YES, I know of Cho Seung-hui. Obtaining a concealed weapons permit in the U.S. is as easy as obtaining a driver's license. In most states, you need to demonstrate familiarity with firearms by taking a course. Then you submit an application with a small fee. Upon approval (which you will be unless you've been previously convicted of a felony), you'll have your permit.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Some of you should stop playing the role of armchair politicians. It's absolutely ludicrous that you are reporting on the political disposition of a country that you are barely a part of. I lived in Seattle for a year, does that qualify me to harshly criticize the U.S.? What, you don't think I observed anything to pick on while I was there? Of course I did. Seriously, the U.S. is not the most morally enriched country in the world so get off your high horse. Don't be a hypocrite
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Tamar, you are a loser and just trying to kiss your texan daddy little doodley.
Japan had boycotted US beef for four years 2002-2006
is Japan pro North Korea too? you pukwit. lolz
iamherenow11 3 years ago
Japan is a nation that spends more per capital than any other nation on safety and that places the highest dollar estimation on human life in safety matters. So when Japan bans something, it is because Japan's safety standards as much higher than other countries.
Anyone who has seen the filth, smell, and pollution of Korea first hand knows that the issue is not safety. That is only an excuse. The issue is simply that the farmers don't want to be driven out of business by US competition.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
I think their favorite enemy is Japan. United States is probably at second...
oldman946 3 years ago
The stupid thing about South Korea is that they hate the countries that supported them the most with financial and military aid. The USA protected the freedoms that South Koreans enjoy during the Korean War. Japan offered equipment and logistical support and billions of dollars in aid.
The South Koreans are so ignorant, because they live in a very dangerous spot near North Korea, PR China, and Russia. They think they can take the USA and Japan for granted, but not when they act like this.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. Heaps of people were injured and even killed during the recent protests/riots in Thailand which lasted months. Second of all, this FTA was actually supported by the South Korean liberals during the previous liberal administration of Roh Moo-hyun, and now the liberals are mostly just posturing for the next elections. Finally, the emotional support for Obama was massive so I don't know what "apathetic American voters" means!
KingBaeksu 3 years ago
Japan has given a tremendous amount of economic assistance to China and South Korea in the name of better relations. So I was shocked to find out that the common people in those countries do not know about it at all. Japan financed the airports and subways, but there is no notice at any Chinese or South Korean airports and subways. Instead, you can find anti-Japanese propaganda. After China massacred its own people at Tiananmen Square in 1989 they developed anti-Japanese brainwashing in 1994.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago 3
@CloeBuckingham support your facts by showing evidence that japanese has given us a tremendous amount of economic assistance you can't just write things that you just heard with no evidence.
you don't even know whats really going on between those two countries and yet you try to sound like you do. japanese government is still denying their damn war crimes and are still saying that dokdo island is their's learn about the matter before you open your mouth next time.
ghkvl3737 9 months ago
Not once single battle was fought in Korea during World War II. Korea and Japan were the same country. The burden of war crimes committed in other countries should be shared between Korea and Japan because (1) Korea and Japan were one country; (2) those of Korean dissent served in the Imperial Army and committed war crimes as well as those of Japanese dissent; (3) representatives of Korean dissent sat in the Japanese Diet during World War II, not only as representatives of Korea, but also Tokyo.
CloeBuckingham 9 months ago
@CloeBuckingham (1) Then why did Japan decided to get out of Korea after WWII? (2) If there were Korean generals and politicians who made decisions that directly led to war crimes, they should be held accountable. But the Koreans did not create the war engine that Japan was. (3) Some Korean nobility and aristocrats were *appointed* to the House of Peers, along with titles of nobility and monetary payment for playing along. Not true representation. Korean residents had no rights to be elected.
lakais7 5 months ago
@lakais7 (1) No choice. The USA and its allies mandated that Japan get out of Korea. (2) Koreans also committed war crimes in Vietnam long after Japan's influence had waned. (3) There was a Korean member of the Diet representing Tokyo who was elected. In 1932 Pak Ch'un-Kum won nearly 7000 votes and a seat in the Diet of Japan. There were only 1236 Korean voters in his Tokyo district, so most of his votes came from Japanese.
CloeBuckingham 5 months ago
"Of the 148 Koreans convicted of war crimes [during WWII], some 23 would eventually be executed." The remainder were cleared by a Korean government commission, because they were only Class B and C war criminals, too low level to deserve punishment.
CloeBuckingham 5 months ago
They do it every year in Korea. It's almost annual event. Check out the last December fight below!
watch?v=OOWtQR13FtY&feature=related
MochaFSU 3 years ago
When I saw that video, I couldn't stop laughing either. What's worse, the DP's with their sledgehammers and fire hoses or the GNP barricading themselves with desks and mattresses?!?! LMAO!
It seems to me that the ROK legislators are trying to compete with the Taiwanese parliament in the use of fisticuffs to solve political issues. But as you said, they certainly have passion.
Tamar1973 3 years ago
I don't think the GNP did anything violent. The violence came from the DP. These are crypto-communists who have a policy of brainwashing school children that the North Korean dictator Kim Jong-Il is a great man. There power base is not Seoul, but the unsophisticated Southwest, and during Kim and Roh's presidency, they lavished spending on the Southwest, while Seoul was left with old sewers, stinking like a ****house.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
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CloeBuck
is a demented japanese radiation victim
whose life is meaningless if not to sell his daughters underpants in tokyo market.
iamherenow11 3 years ago
The basic tactic of the South Korean government is: (1) demand compensation from Japan for victims to improved relations; (2) steal the money and give almost nothing to victims; (3) don't tell the South Korean people that Japan pays for South Korea's development; (4) teach school children to hate Japan and love Dictator Kim Jong-Il; (5) Keep lying to the SK people that Japan never paid compensation; (6) Claim that Japan never apologised when almost every Japanese PM since 1995 has apologised.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
Seriously, why don't you respond to my claim. You've been side-stepping this the whole time.
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE AND JUSTIFICATION FOR ALL OF YOUR ACCUSATIONS? I TOLD YOU, JUST BECAUSE YOU ASSERT A CLAIM, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE OR VALID UNTIL YOU CAN BACK IT UP. YET YOU CONTINUE TO OVERWHELM YOUR CASE WITH PSEUDO-KNOWLEDGE. LET US SEE SOME PROOF FOR YOUR CLAIMS SO WE KNOW YOU'RE NOT FULL OF SHIT.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
For example, you spoke on the basic tactics of the S. Korean government. WHERE did you obtain this information? You can't say, because it's not based on a credible academic resource. You're on your own on this one, you have nothing to back you up.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
You lost credibility with me long time ago. Just know this. You can entertain and influence the feable minded demography with your quasi education, but you will never reach the true academic community -- those of us who are truly inquisitive of knowing the truth with proper evidence. Please do me a favour now. Continue on with our ranting all you want, just don't respond to me ok? This will be my last comment to you and I don't require a reply.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Basic Relations Treaty 한일기본조약: South Korea agreed to demand NO FURTHER COMPENSATION after receiving almost $1B from Japan in 1965. Do South Koreans honour that?!
South Korea requested much of the money to compensate 1M Korean conscripted workforce.
South Korea only paid $300 per death in 1975 and 1977.
"The South Korean government claimed that it would handle individual compensation to its citizens... while rejecting Japan's proposal to directly compensate individual victims."
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago 2
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No the PAD didn't have a fistfight they just cost an impoverished people billions of dollars. Korean Parliment just had to buy a new door.
Just out of curiousity: Wtf is wrong with you man? Do you have elephantitis or something, I'm serious.
TMoneySack 3 years ago
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"Any foreigner who visits Korea knows that South Korean children are totally brainwashed to hate Japanese."
"Why should these private moments be on television? It's a ploy by President Kim to get his Nobel Prize with his stupid and useless 'Sunshine Policy.'"
"When I mention emotional immaturity, I mean all those people watching TVs in South Korea who where crying during family reunifications. They had nothing to do with those families. They were just manipulated. "
joonsuk88 3 years ago
C'est la vie quotidienne en coree, bien normal pour eux.
eyokoyam 3 years ago
The framers in South Korea don't protest because of mad cow disease, which is extremely rare in the USA. (There was one cow from Canada which had it.) They protest because they want to keep high prices for the beef they produce. You seem to underestimate the intelligence of non-Koreans.
When I mention emotional immaturity, I mean all those people watching TVs in South Korea who where crying during family reunifications. They had nothing to do with those families. They were just manipulated.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago 6
Your comments are barely made up of solid evidence. The little you do have, they are loosely tied together with your claims. On top of that, you express your opinions without letting the readers know that they are strictly your opinions. That is fallacious because you assume too much authority, more than what readers are willing to grant you.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
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It seems like you spent a great deal of time accumulating a wide array of knowledge without mastering any one particular area. That could potentially lead you to sounding like a cheap tabloid rather than a credible source. Refrain from further attempts at speaking about a country you don't know much about. Really, where do you get off doing that? Apparently it doesn't register through your thick skull that that's extremely rude. or maybe you just don't care to mind your manners.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
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You obviously take pride in yourself. You're also very opinionated. You have a better than average mode of asserting your claims. Just a friendly tip though, ignoring and side stepping a direct counter argument against you works on most people, but not on someone who is keenly inclined to debating.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
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Where is your evidence for those comments? You are talking out of your butt. Your case is conjured up out of thin air. In graduate school, we call that "hand waving". It refers to using excessive hand motions to compensate for lack of knowledge or a weak foundation. In your case I'm sure you're not actually waving your hand but you bombard the page with sheer VOLUME of material rather than concise and ACCURATE information
joonsuk88 3 years ago
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Ideally you want to have both volume and weight in your case. But if you have to choose one, do opt for the good stuff ok? Yea that's right, substance. "All those people watching TV" Who? And they all cried? LOL. Were you there? Have much experience growing up in South Korea do you? How else could you claim that Korean children are being brainwashed? LOL. oh, because according to you, it's so blatantly obvious to a third party viewer that "any foreigner" KNOWS of this? xD get outta town! lol
joonsuk88 3 years ago
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Look, I don't want to be hostile towards you. The bottom line is, we don't know each other. You REALLy don't know much about Koreans. That's why I invite you to come visit us. You don't have to, but I have a feeling you'll change your mind about many things. This world we live in, it's so beautiful and ugly at the same time no? The beauty of it is, we're all the same people. What's ugly is, we can also be very different, which inevitably leads to conflict.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
I am not saying that the reunified families are emotionally immature because they cried when they met each other. Of course, that is normal and natural to do. What surprised me is how South Korea seemed to come to a stop when these reunifications were played on television. Why should these private moments be on television? It's a ploy by President Kim to get his Nobel Prize with his stupid and useless "Sunshine Policy." It does not benefit the families.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago 5
In the 1965 treaty, Japan insisted that the aid it gave South Korea go to victims of WWII, such as South Koreans forced to work in Japan. But the South Korean government stole the money from those victims and lied to them that Japan never paid compensation.
Japan has paid billions of dollars to build up South Korea before and after WWII. But South Koreans seem completely ignorant of this. The basic lesson of relations with South Korea is this: Never help South Korea. It's a waste of money.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago 6
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There are numerous North Korean schools for North Koreans in Japan. That makes the Japanese communists as well according to your line of reasoning. If you are serious about what you're trying to accomplish (your profile suggests you are some sort of crusader on a mission to change the world), then you need to educate yourself further. No offense man, I respect your intentions I really do. But instead of knowing a little about everything, know everything about a little. you'd be more effective
joonsuk88 3 years ago
How do "North Koreans in Japan" make "Japanese in Japan" communists? Of course, Japan would be better off if all Koreans in Japan finally returned to Korea. These people keep their Korean citizenship to avoid paying taxes, but they receive all the social benefits of Japanese citizens.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago 9
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"Yep, they supported the north korea & allowed to built nuclear facilities as a result. And they never accuse the north korea of kidnapping the citizens. Pure commies. "
Nope, sorry. They "supported the North"? You have no idea what you're talking about. We provided aid to the North Korean PEOPLE, not their government. And did you know that nuclear power is used for many reasons other than making weapons? Please, doing a quick google search does not constitute knowledge
joonsuk88 3 years ago
President Kim and Roh gave aid to North Korea, which was redirected by the government for military use. Some of the aid was financial, not just food for the starving people. President Kim had to pay billions of won for every temporary family reunification. President Kim and President Roh never complained to North Korea about the thousands of South Koreans they abducted. President Kim and President Roh ARE crypto-communists. They brainwashed school children to love dictator Kim Jong-Il.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago 9
pretty kool.
hope to see some karate kicks
iamherenow11 3 years ago
Former President Kim and Roh are crypto-communists. They force a policy to teach school children that dictator Kim Jong-Il is a great man and that Japan and the USA are devils.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
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"Former President Kim and Roh are crypto-communists."
Get out of town miss LOL. You foreal? Ever been to school in South Korea? I'm serious, answer my questions. When I was in middle school, we watched Korean War films protraying the northern communists as terrible monsters. We are constantly bombarded by footages of North Koreans starving while Kim Jong-Il lives in wealth. And Koreans hate Japanese as much as they hate us. The USA are devils? No we think the U.S. is a big bully, not the devil
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Any foreigner who visits Korea knows that South Korean children are totally brainwashed to hate Japanese. This could never happen in Australia, Japan, the USA, or any other developed country:
watch?v=4hoXS3DsIOA Anti-Japanese schooling in South Korea
watch?v=JNE0-BYlv0c Anti-Japanese education of south Korean. 韓国の小中学校で行われている反日教育
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago 7
South Koreans LOVE US beef. But the farmers love protectionism. But how can you justify having protectionism in one industry and not all? Obviously, if SK blocks import of beef, the USA should block import of everything.
The SK government is highly trade dependent. Without trade, what is SK? Look at how the won is ping ponging with the ups and downs of the world economy.
The whole SK economy is smaller than Wal-Mart. The next time SK crashes, Soros can just buy the whole place.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
Look at what he discovered on the front of the Korean newspaper, oh but wait... he can't read Korean! Hey, Fat Tony, do you know what the Free trade agreement does? It allows the Americans to sell whatever they want in foreign countries, tax free, while those countries America wants free trade agreements with, are not allowed to sell products in America. Youre such a moron. Again, you sit there moving your mouth, but all that comes out of it is shit. You idiot.
eddiesluver 3 years ago
So you have read the free trade agreement and that is what it says? Perhaps you should stop smoking weed.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
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Conversely, have YOU read the free trade agreement? It's ad logicam; just because the proof/argument he/she offered is invalid, that doesn't make the whole topic invalid. For example, just because my explanation on why the sky is blue is invalid (the sky is blue because of blue kool-aid), it doesn't mean the sky is not blue. some times a bad argument represents a good idea.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
So where is your good argument against the free trade agreement? LOL!
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago 7
What... the.. heck... are you talking about hahaha. When did I proclaim that I intended to argue against the free trade agreement? Understand that you are now beginning to frustrate me. Please attempt to match me at my level of thinking, otherwise, well whatever. And please, don't speak on behalf of Koreans. You really don't know what's going on. You don't have a clear grasp on the issue at hand. You are displaying the ugly side of free speech
joonsuk88 3 years ago
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I'll let you in on THE biggest argumentative fallacies you continously commit. You keep laying down unilateral perspectives on complex topics as if YOU are the ultimate authority figure. You recite the same weak points ad nauseam. You think that just because you have AN answer for something, somehow magically your answer is THE answer. You don't consider the counter arguments, instead you keep driving forward stubbornly with your opinions disguised as facts.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
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Besides, if South Korea was such a horrible country, then surely the people of South Korea must be equally as bad? Isn't that what you're ultimately trying to say? According to you, our leaders are a bunch of commies and scoundrels, and since they represent the people of South korea what does that make someone like me? Seriously, give me a break ok. When did you ever see me or any other Korean go to a video concerning Australia and make accusations?
joonsuk88 3 years ago
President Kim and Roh were not elected by 100% of South Koreans. They were elected by a narrow margin of South Koreans who happened to vote. Of course, some South Koreans still have enough common sense to understand the threat of North Korea despite all the propaganda from the Democrats in South Korea. Also, Kim and Roh have their power base in the corrupt and unsophisticated Southwest. People in Seoul are much more sophisticated. Anyone can see this on visiting Korea.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago 6
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I'm serious. Instead of trying to take a giant crap on a country you hardly know, take the initiative to find out in person. Talk is cheap you know
joonsuk88 3 years ago
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I lived in Seoul for a year. What more do you want?
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago 3
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Seeing as how you're talking all this crap about my country, you probably had a miserable time. Well, that sucks I don't know what to tell you. But still, having lived here for a year isn't enough to fairly judge a nation riddled with thousands of years of history. I was born and raised here so yea maybe I'm biased. But I know this much, despite how you feel about us, I know that we are nation of generosity and warmth. Yea sometimes things get out of hand, but what nation isn't guilty of that???
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Under the yangban, before the Japanese educated the masses, 99% of Koreans were illiterate peasants. The yangban only educated yangban, the top 1%. So it doesn't really matter if Korea has a 6,000 year history, or a billion year history, because people can only absorb this information if they are educated. The yangban abandoned the Korean people to such an uncivilised state, but the Japanese educated them in Japanese.
Of course, most Koreans are warm and generous. I have not spoken on that yet.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
And I have not spoken on the level of education either. You never accused Koreans of being uneducated and illiterate, therefore I wasn't addressing that issue (it's not true anyway, never was). The reason I mentioned our history is because you think you know so much about a country that's been around for 1000's of years just because you lived in it for ONE YEAR.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Also, you mentioned that the Japanese have educated Koreans. That is my favorite topic to argue because I've heard it so many times before. The Japanese taught Koreans how to read/write/speak Japanese. They also taught Koreans Japanese culture and history. They were basically trying to systematically break down Korea from the inside out. Do NOT mistaken this "education" with what we consider as education today.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
He is?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
investigate foiiiither
thats quite the retarded voice
gedman1006 3 years ago
u srsly gotta stop acting like a dum ass with that laff and $het!
pinyawn 3 years ago
the japanese know koreans like this kind of violent demonstoration so as the chinese. and they like burning japanese national flag.
mildseven73 3 years ago 7
And they also like burning photos of Japanese Prime Minister and the Japanese Emperor more than anything else. The funniest thing about S.Koreans is that they state seriously they hope to have "better relationship with Japan" with all these insulting acts. OK, S.Koreans, I can tell you, you can do it if you become mature enough to do without a hammer and fire to decide the nation's policies, neither of which is necessary in a real democratic country.
Mudboots2006 3 years ago 4
Excellent post. South Koreans need to graduate from "Romper Room" politics.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
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I think it'll serve your time much better for you to just concern yourself with your own country and your own life. Hold on a min. I'm not saying that we should live in utter ignorance in terms of foreign affairs. No no no. It's good that you actually care about what's going on around the world, but don't do it to the point of you sounding like a hypocrite.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
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yea yea yea go Fuck yourself stupid white bigugly assholes
cbnm85 3 years ago
Huh no "liberals=mentally retarded" comparison. That's nice.
I too wish we had more brawls in our congress. No seriously. That would own.
Joe402 3 years ago
foyther!! HAHAHAHA
TwoAiren 3 years ago
NO im not working in Taiwan i live here, my mum is working,and im from Dallas.
SunBeamsan 3 years ago
LOLOL!! This is hilarious, to be honest, I am not jelous at all, those Korean politicians are crazy. :) You are right, those Thais have the right idea.
Nozokimidayo 3 years ago
Thanks to you, next time I see a white American walking down the street (trust me, there are more and more American immigrants in Korea, have been for many years in Japan), I'll remember your words and I'll relay that message to them effectively. I'll throw bottles, rocks, dirt, anything. Do you people seriously want an all out war? Do you think Koreans don't have allies? You think we're afraid? you're just a number to your rich corporations and politicians. you're being used by your own kind
xmasgurl 3 years ago
What IS my business is that your country CLAIMS to be a free country, therefore accepting immigration, collecting Korean Americans' tax dollars, upholding them to all the laws and regulations as anyone else, even benefitting from many Korean scientists who are currently working in your country, YET you treat them like second class people. If you want to treat them that way, then exempt them from responsibilities as Americans. No taxes, no laws, true FREEDOM. how about it?
xmasgurl 3 years ago
Funny when Columbine happened, were people throwing bottles at the "whites"? When Oklahoma bombing occured, were people throwing rocks at whites? When the Enron scandal took place, were people singling out only the whites? Just recently in Oregon, 2 white men were responsible for the bombing of a bank resulting in deaths of police officers. Are you people throwing crap at whites as we speak? I could go on and on about white people in your country committing crimes, but it's none of my business
xmasgurl 3 years ago
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DO you have to talk like a fucking retard? or are you just retarded? i think your a fucking ignorant propoganda spreader
PoopFartShitStain 3 years ago
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Korea is No.1!
Korea is No.1!
Korea is No.1!
Korea is No.1!
Korea is No.1!
Jap sucks
ReflectiaX 3 years ago
shut up
gwarfandoug 3 years ago
ReflectiaX, what is your problem? Stop pretending to be Korean because I know you from another video, and you tried to belittle me for making a pro-Korean statement. "Get a life" is what you told me remember? Wow... you're pathetic dude. I'm Korean and I know that Korea is NOT number 1. We don't have to be for me to love my country. You seriously need to get a life man. You're trying to make Koreans look dumb and prideful by making comments like "Korea is No.1! Jap sucks"... STFU dude
joonsuk88 3 years ago
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Who is 88 fucking Jap!
Korea rule the world.
Korea is clearly No.1.
Korea invented everything: Christ, Sushi, Automobile, Human.
ReflectiaX 3 years ago
Get a life
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Korean parliment is much more exciting than Canadian parliment.
SourGimchi 3 years ago
Germany did, and we will too... as long as Kim Jong Il disappears forever, him and his sons
joonsuk88 3 years ago 2
You make many good points, but still the legislators belonging to the opposition should not behave so childishly. The people in the Southwest have too much influence on politics.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
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Easy for you to judge. When's the last time you tried to run a nation? Small or otherwise. Let's observe on a micro scale. How good of a diplomat are you among the people in your life? How good of a negotiator are you? Judge? Policy maker? In everyday life, we don't use those terms like "policies" I know. But still, we are constantly evaluating and reevaluating, making judgements, mending broken relationships, maintaining good ones, making sure to get along with the neighbors..
joonsuk88 3 years ago
BTW, our favorite enemy isnt the U.S. or China or whatever. Technically speaking we only have one enemy - North Korea. But because the land was divided in half in such haste many family members suffered dismemberment between north and south. My girl friend's grandmother is still in North Korea somewhere assuming she is even alive. The South also harbors defectors from the North. You see, that's the ONLY thing preventing us from destroying those sons of b*****s, because we hope to reunite one day
joonsuk88 3 years ago
The moral of the story is this. In reality, perhaps >1% of the population opposed importing beef from the U.S. But the media blew it out of proportions, both in the U.S. and in Korea. Also, it's interesting to note that the bulk of the protestors were composed of president Lee opposers who were simply using this issue as a backdrop to express their animosity toward president Lee, NOT the importation of U.S. beef. With all due respect PropagandaBuster, you don't live in Korea so you wouldn't know
joonsuk88 3 years ago
The U.S. has assured that their beef is safe. And that organs that are more likely carrying the disease will be discarded of before shipping the beef to Korea. Protestors in Korea were not happy with this answer. However, the majority of the Koreans didn't perceive the threat of mad cow disease. Subsequently, we now import beef from the U.S. and so far no case of mad cow disease has surfaced.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
About importing beef from the U.S. A select few minority groups in Korea have protested against importing beef from the U.S. not because they blindly hate the U.S. but because they felt that the U.S. was not willing to meet the Koreans' standards in terms of selecting safe beef. Cows over a certain age are much more susceptible at contracting mad cows disease, which the U.S. was trying to pawn off to Korea. Not Japan, not any other country, JUST Korea.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
I want to believe you JoonSuk, but you can't just blame MBC, KBS, SBS, etc. for the fact there were no large scale protests in Seoul against Chinese exports of poisoned kimchi, dairy products and other foods into the ROK?! If I had seen that kind of anger directed at the Chinese who were actually poisoning Koreans, I'd believe that Koreans are simply hyper-vigilant about their food but there was something else at play in those US beef protests and I'm inclined to believe they were pro-NK.
Tamar1973 3 years ago
Tamar1973, the beef protests had nothing to do with food safety, although that was the so-called pretext. It was all about the progressives who had lost the recent elections trying to discredit the Lee Myung-bak administration, and thereby grab back power that they had lost at the ballot box. Thus, they were fundamentally anti-democratic in nature; the only shocking thing is how many ordinary Koreans fell for this naked power play, especially when Korean beef is actually less clean than US beef!
KingBaeksu 3 years ago
South Korea is situated next to three dangerous countries: Russia, PR China, and North Korea. The USA and Japan supported the freedoms people enjoy in the South by defending them in the Korean War, in the US military bases, and through financial assistance. Unfortunately, the South Koreans are so focused on their imagined injustices, most dating from before WWII, that they are willing to ruin those relationships. But when South Korea gets into trouble, who will help them?
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
That's actually a good point. But, just because we didn't protest against the Chinese doesn't prove that we had ulterior motives when we the U.S. beefo protest took place. I don't see how one proves the other. Let me use a parable. I'm a business owner and two of my suppliers are either trying to or already have sold me bad products. I take it up to one of the providers about this, but I leave the other alone. Sure on the surface it would seem I'm mad at one but not at the other.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
correction: "...when the U.S. beef protest took place"
joonsuk88 3 years ago
But perhaps I chose to deal with them in two separate ways. For one, I decided to discontinue the buyer-seller relationship with one provider instead of expressing my anger. Cut and dry isn't it? Secondly, I decided to argue my way with the second provider to get him/her to sell me decent products instead of terminating our business relationship.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
The only problem with your argument is the first supplier, the USA actually had a very good product with no proven illness etc while the Chinese stuff actually did hurt and kill people. Why be quiet about the deadly stuff and be so vocal about the good stuff?!
Tamar1973 3 years ago
Because South Koreans are not rational. There are many crypto-communists in South Korea who believe their own absurd propaganda. Also, South Korea knows that if they protest the USA or Japan, nothing bad will happen. But PR China takes revenge for even the smallest insult, such as former President of Taiwan, Lee Teng-hui, giving a talk at his alma mater Cornell. He took those actions as a private individual, but PR China used it as an excuse to subvert the Taiwanese economy.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
Tamar1973: That has exactly been my point. The silence on their part towards deadly Chinese products is further proof the good people in those demonstrations were being exploited by communist sympathizes who instigated and organized those demonstrations.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
You're pointing out a hole in my argument that doesn't exist. If you had considered my comment more carefully... Well for one thing, I mentioned that being quiet about something doesn't mean we didn't care. My parable clearly implied that many Koreans are boycotting Chinese products instead of being vocal about it. The U.S. beef has been "proven" to be safe, but statistics showed that cows over a certain age more MORE prone to contracting mad cow. MORE. We simply didn't want that
joonsuk88 3 years ago
joonsuk88: Then why not boycott USA beef in silence as you afford that luxury towards deadly Chinese products? You allow the market place to boycott the death coming from China, yet you did not want to allow the market place to boycott USA beef. By the way, USA beef is selling in South Korea now. So what's the big deal?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Thnx propagandabuster for replying =)
I enjoy your comments and videos because you seem very reasonable. Ok to answer your questions. I dont' know why we opted not to quietly boycott U.S. beef. My theory is, the U.S. beef protests were led by MB opposors, you know, how when there's a mob, all it takes it that one thing to trigger a mass effect. Also, yes we buy US beef now. So this topic is a thing of the past. Except that certain people here can't seem to stop talking badly about my country
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Imagine you're about to take a bite out of a steak, but you're given two choices. You're told that one steak came from a younger cow that had a lesser probability that it had M.C. disease. The other came from an older cow that had a HIGHER probability. Not that it most definitely did have MC, but simply HIGHER chance. Honestly, which steak would you opt for? If it's as easy as making a choice, which would you take? Exactly, why is the U.S. selling younger cows to other countries but not us?
joonsuk88 3 years ago
When all your Korean students in the USA eat beef, do they ask the age of the beef before they eagerly consume it? How many Korean students returned to Korea from the USA with mad cow?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
No no no. The beef that you consume yourselves in the U.S. are all strictly monitored to be within the safe limit. It's the beef that you're exporting to Korea that is at higher risk. At least that's what they were protesting remember? Hey listen, I was never part of that crowd. I'm not anti-US, as most Koreans aren't either. You allow the few to speak for the rest of us who are just quietly living our lives in peace. Don't buy into the propaganda man.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Hey moron apologist, Korean beef (hanwoo) has a lower safety rating for BSE than US beef according to the OIE. Also, the US sells beef over 30 months old to over 90 other countries around the world. Get your facts straight before talking BS and looking like such an idiot.
KingBaeksu 3 years ago
Dear Kingbeaksu:
I kindly reading your comment. I japan guy number one who is not embarrass of Japan's sexy culture. You mentioning that USA sell beef over 30 months old to 90 countries. You did not mentioning that since the BSE scare, of the 90 country many country want to renegotiate beef dealing. Excuse kindly my English. I only start learns 4 weeks time before. Japan friendship with USA allow beef under 30 months =) Korea no getting this deal because Korea is sucks! Must be destroy!
IamJapanIchiban 3 years ago
haha. you think you're funny?
metabon 3 years ago
Anyway I also mentioned many comments ago (before you came aboard) that a large bulk of the demonstrators were comprised of MB opposors. They couldn't care less about the U.S. beef. So, what are you trying to prove? If you feel such animosity about our country, why don't you just, I don't know. What makes you want to live here?
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Where did you get I want to live in Korea? I will be remaining in the nation of my birth, the USA. But thanks for the invitation anyway.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
that comment wasn't for you. It was for tamar. she's an american living in korea go check out her profile
joonsuk88 3 years ago
joonsuk88: Then I apologize for butting into a private comment session. Perhaps when commenting on a thread with multiple users you may want to start off with the name of the person you intend your comment to be directed at. Just a suggestion.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
To PB:
thanks. Good point. I just figured that when I hit the reply button, that person would get a message in their inbox stating that someone has replied. But yes if you're going straight off what's displayed on the page, it could look confusing with this many people. I'll take your advice ;)
joonsuk88 3 years ago
look, the news that you get there about south Korea, and what the actual people of south korea have to deal with on a day to day basis is different. you of all people should know this. for example, while the protests were going on, do you think that the whole country was going nuts? like you could walk down a street and people were all just talking crap about the US? as if all the schools in korea were teaching anti-US sentiments? dude, believe it or not, it wasn't even a huge deal here.
joonsuk88 3 years ago
I don't feel animosity towards Korea at all. I just wish people were less gullible. We had similar protests a few years ago in the USA, about the Iraq War. Some were protesting the Iraq but many were carrying signs about left-wing causes like amnesty for illegals, Palestinian rights etc, which had *nothing* to with Iraq. Many people didn't know those protests were organized by International ANSWER which has direct links to NK. Just like many SK didn't know the same about the beef protests.
Tamar1973 3 years ago
Tamar:
I understand. Believe me I wish that too. But call me a fence sitter if you will, I tend to see both sides of a controversy. I don't believe in right or wrong per se when it comes to ambiguous cases. Some topics are cut n dry and there are definite rights and wrongs. anyway my big thing was and still is, I would like CLOE to stop what he/she is doing. Freedom of speech sure, we have that here in S.Korea too. But if it becomes rude, don't they want to stop on their own? I guess not!
joonsuk88 3 years ago
First off I'd like to mention that your videos in general are great, both in context and delivery. I've come to appreciate the different angles with which you approach an issue so that close minded and bias people may see another side of the issues at hand. For that you are indeed a propaganda buster. But in this vid you mention that the "favorite enemy" of S.Korea is the U.S. Now, you are CREATING propaganda. Do not become enslaved by the media, mainstream or otherwise. Catch my drift? =)
joonsuk88 3 years ago
Jealous of South Korea's passion huh? thats a first. i liked this video. but i do think South Koreans go a bit too far when protesting.
initialdluvr 3 years ago 2
Basically, South Koreans are emotionally immature. They are extremely sentimental.
Former President Kim almost bankrupted Hyundai to bribe North Korea to allow a few families to be reunified for a few hours. I recall on television seeing some family reunifications for only a few hours, and all of South Korea was crying. They are so sentimental. It is extremely childish.
Anyway, this is how former President Kim bought his Nobel Prize, with the failed "Sunshine Policy." What a waste of tax.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago
What's wrong with people these days and their inability to make a solid argument? That includes you. You can't make a claim like "South Koreans are emotionally immature". Do you realize how fallacious that statement is? You can't properly assess the political situation in South Korea just because you've read or seen a few articles. People think they hold a doctorate on something just because they "researched" it. Am I wrong? If I am, show me how you are qualified to make such claims?
joonsuk88 3 years ago
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emotionally immature? maybe to you but i wouldnt say that. they just take it a bit too far is all. not immature..
initialdluvr 3 years ago
Many Koreans are emotionally immature, because rather than acting based on rational self-interest, they are getting swept away by emotion and irrational hopes. So the fantasy is treated as fact. Not only did President Kim and Roh think that the dictator Kim Jong-Il was a great man, they tried to force this propaganda on school children. If they are not emotionally immature, they must be evil. Joy about a few, brief family reunifications while the national security is compromised is silly.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago 4
Maybe the Koreans don't need to import beef any more indeed, as they have been already beefed up enough to fight like this.
4LMNts 3 years ago
South Korean beef consumers LOVE US beef. It is the South Korean producers who are protesting.
CloeBuckingham 3 years ago 2
Are you on drugs? The rioting I wrote about were the riots in Korea since that is the nation you are defending.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago