Wudang Ba Gua Zhang

[Bagua2pnt0]

OMT Oh My Tao. This Master is amazing. Fast hands, great maneuvering.

[nuchok]

richard is just a hater, the man in the video is my masters kung fu brother and these guys dedicate their lives to the arts. quit hating

[AndyRaslan]

@nuchok You're a student of Zhong Xue Chao, then?

[garrasinsombra]

Pues no hay que guiarse por lo que dice un sólo libro aldurak, lo cierto es que la evidencia apunta a que Dong Haichuan no fue el creador del estilo, sino como explicas la serie de linajes de Baguazhang que no provienen de él, y una serie de historias y estilos contemporáneos como YinYang Bapanzhang, o el estilo de Song Yiren - Gao Yisheng. Lo cierto es que no sabemos cuánta influencia tendrá el gobierno sobre Wudang (seguramente la tiene, igual a como ha metido las garras en Shaolin). Triste

[yuwang508]

this master is high level in baqua. his body moves like a dragon

[emixam291]

airbender ftw!!!

[JoseDar100]

quisiera aprender!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[universetechnique]

Remember I was here.Thai

[TheJaOfTheJoWithKelv]

now is ba gua zhang like a branch off from ba gua? like are they the same? and do they contain a lot of conditioning? like tae kwon do or something along those lines?

[lordtains]

yeah they are the same. Bagua is the short name for Baguazhang.

Whether they contain conditioning would depend on the school, but its nothing like taekwondo.

[skytte71]

Ba Gua = 8 trigram

Ba Gua Zhang = 8 trigram palm

(correction from my first comment. It is "8 trigram", and not "8 diagram".

The 8 trigrams, is a diagram) ;-)

Tai Chi = Supreme Ultimate

Tai Chi Chuan = Supreme Ultimate fist

In Tai Chi, the word chuan(/fist) indicates that it is also a martial art.

So if you train Tai Chi (without chuan), it is mainly for the health.

Maybe it is the same for Ba Gua / Ba Gua Zhang...?

[AndyRaslan]

No, it's just that BaGua is used either as a term for the 8 Trigrams of the I Ching or as a colloquial term for BaGuaZhang. It's like saying 'don't' instead of 'do not'.

And, BaGua is nothing like TaeKwonDo. You'll find many differences between Japanese/Korean and Chinese martial arts. Also, TaeKwonDo is external, whereas BaGuaZhang is internal.

Hope that helped! :P

[phuckimposter1987]

kung fu the best martial arts out there. it has many different style u could put in action in not talking about movies. u could even use it in a street fight who says u can't. ive'd done it alot of times. ill tell you kung better than boxing or street fights.

[AndyRaslan]

There's no such thing as a better fighting style. Only a better fighter.

[TydexD]

Such a beautiful flow..

[KidChaos878]

Baguazhang contains an extremely wide variety of techniques, including various strikes (with palm, fist, elbow, fingers etc), low kicks, joint locking techniques, throws, and distinctively evasive circular footwork. The Baguazhang practitioner are known for their ability to "flow" in and out of the way of objects. This is where the theory of being able to fight multiple attackers came into view.

[philipw2005]

BaGuaZhang was created by whom? I think noone knows nowadays.

BaguaZhang fm Master Donghaichuan is the most famous.

WuDang Shan is a wonderful place. The Natural it owns gave me good inspiration when I visited over 20 years ago.

The China Emperor (King) went to WuDang Shan for praying the goodness of the country.

It is recommended to take a tour to WuDang Shan and knowing the differences with others.

Philip

[aldurak]

The master Dong Hai-Chuan of the Ching Dynasty, who lived from 1798 to 1879, developed the art of Ba Gua Zhang. He was an imperial bodygaurd in the waning years of the last imperial dynasty. This information is from the book, "Ba Gua; Hidden Knowledge in the Taoist Internal Martial Art" by John Bracy and Liu Xing-Han.

[philipw2005]

Hi Aldurak

Thanks for your information for reference !

Philip

[aldurak]

No Problem!

[ThaLinguist]

@aldurak Ba is ALOT older than 200 years:)

[MichaelTheInfamous]

did bagua zhang extinct? i mean all i see is people teaching tai chi and other kung fu...

[thomaslenior]

No it's not. It's being taught all over.

[MichaelTheInfamous]

oh ok. thnx

[thomaslenior]

luckily ^^

[BaguazhangMaster]

Beautiful form. Fast Techniques were preformed in sequence and well placed. Nicely done.

[Smific]

Very nice form. The Wudang truly are spectacular.

[MissAshPYT]

Seeing Aang's martial arts in action cool

[Darkstar321]

Well to make Airbending on Avatar the designers of the show studied Bai Gua Zhang. So it's only natural that they would look vary similar.

This demonstration is beautiful and yet another reason I am readying to go out and travel the world.

[Eguan0]

They had to incorpirate the basic movement of elements with a martial art which is a little hard, since bending could basically be simplified to single strikes (such as a punch or a "push" of sorts) rather hand movements. That's what I like about the show, they incorporates hand movements with the elements rather than simple strikes.

[moritsumi87]

very nice!

[Romexxo]

Airbending xD

[theorigin1]

lol thats what i was thinkin

[egetunks]

i was searching this one cause i knew aibending came from this :D

[GS195]

Indeed!

[hotstuff7137]

Yep! On all the videos of the martial arts that the four elements of bending came from, in the comments it's like "firebending" and stuff.

[yamiyomizuki]

@Romexxo well yes this is what air bending is based on

[wudanggongfu]

Is there anyone know who is Master Donghaichuan's Master?

[5element5]

No one really knows. I heard a theory about him being a bandit as a young man. he was persued by a number of authorities and took assylum with some Taoist monks. Already being a proficient martial artist, he incorporated the circle walking exercise/meditation with movements he knew. thus creating Baguazhang!

[Yakshinian]

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[clipinclipy]

the yellow cape daoist and then the monks of the "lung men" had a hand in teaching and training him. ba gua zhang was a result of his own insights and the principals taught to him. or at least that is what i have read and have been told.

[5element5]

@wudanggongfu I heard he invented Bagua from taoist circle walking meditation and various kungfu techniques he'd learned in previous training. He must have had a strong root in taiji and chikung as well.

[richardshapiroII]

interesting vid, but I don't understand why the wudang folks are trying to claim all this "old" bagua stuff. this form has obvious pieces of hsing-i, which is common in cheng ting hua styles, but not in the founder's (dong hai chuan) bagua. I wonder how much influence the chinese government has on the modern wudang school???

[wudanggongfu]

Is there anyone know who is Master Donghaichuan's Master?

[richardshapiroII]

one story I have heard is that Dong Hai chuan learned from several taoist masters near 9 flowers mountain, one of whom was Bi Cheng Xia. There are records of circle walking practices in taoism for thousands of years, for longevity and developing chi. Often done around a tree to absorb the chi from the tree.

[AndyRaslan]

@wudanggongfu Tao shi Dong Hai Chuan de shifu ;)

[uncleedoo]

@richardshapiroII hsing -I is essentially bagua.

[richardshapiroII]

@uncleedoo

what makes you say that?

seems pretty obvious to me that they are different.

it's clear that they developed separately, and later people put the 2 together.

and they have different theoretical foundation, 5 elements for hsing-I and 8 trigrams (duh) for Bagua.

???

[uncleedoo]

@richardshapiroII

Yes you are right, sorry pal i got muddled up. cheers for the correction.

[XhessCake]

@richardshapiroII If youve ever visited and seen mt. wudang youll know they have alot of influence. =)

[richardshapiroII]

@XhessCake

haven't been there, but i am very familiar with energy places on the planet, I get yr point.

that's why I made mine, cause the chinese govt gets it too, and they'd be very happy for you to think that the guy they hired to run the place just did it cause of his spirit or something, instead of the reality that those monks are Very Tightly Controlled, which is like, totally not taoist approach....

[VisionCommenter]

his teacher created this style bagua?

[ShaolinAvenger79]

I think he's referring to Dong Hai Chuan. Most Bagua Zhang lineages trace back to Dong Hai Chuan in some way. Emei and Wudang also have quite a few martial arts from outside areas that have been assimilated by the locals into their own flavor. For example, you can even find wudang luohan quan and hong quan (both old Shaolin styles).

[VisionCommenter]

I saw other wudang videos and it does not look anything like this. What is the name of this bagua? How come the monks in wudang practise a different form? Is this original or contemporary?

[rhan3488]

There are many different styles of Bagua mainly differing on the different masters who have taught it. Originally it said that Master Dong learn Bagua from someone else plus circle walking was around long before Dong's Bagua. It's sad that there is only claims and no solid truth.

[VisionCommenter]

who was this teachers master? or did he learn from a wushu school? I saw the documentary and it does not even have familiar patterns of wudang traditional bagua

[rhan3488]

if you go to his website at the top it will tell you more about this master and his master. His master is quite famous in wudang and has had many disciples.

[VisionCommenter]

is this a traditional bagua or contemporary style? do you know. I checked out the website. It didn't specify where this originated from and who this teacher is. For all we know he could be a sports centre product.

[rhan3488]

He is a traditional master. Master Dong's his teacher was said to be a taoist monk how passed bagua skills on to him. Master Dong is the "Founder" of baguazhang