Praise The Lorddaaa!! Hallelujiaaaaaaaaaaa Do you feel the fire in your belly. If u are not baptised in blood u are not rapture Ready. Catholics are not rapture ready oh well guess we will stay on earth.
@dadadude1 while I once would have disagreed with you, After much Grace, prayer, study, and use of common sense I can say a whole hearted Amen Brother!!!
King James Version (KJV) 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Bella, if you were truly remaining "at the foot of the cross," this posture would be reflected in love and words which reflect that you are yielded to the Holy Spirit. Your words posted earlier reek of the flesh, not of the Spirit. If things make you angry, you must learn how to deal with your anger in a way that does not bring reproach to the name of our Lord. Paul said, "What we are in our letters we will be in person." That being said, I just don't see Christ in you.
Bella, you still have not been able to refute the scriptures I posted earlier. Instead, you have resorted to attacking my person and Catholics in general. Your vicious comments earlier show that you are walking in your flesh, and not in God's Spirit. I have been a teacher of the Bible for over 25 years and have studied to show myself approved before God. Nowhere in the N.T. does Christ or His apostles instruct Christians to separate from other Christians if they disagree on doctrines, etc.
@colleen789685743 .."I have been a teacher of the Bible for over 25 years and have studied to show myself approved before God. Nowhere in the N.T. does Christ.. instruct Christians to separate from other Christians if they disagree on doctrines, etc"
Really? 25 years teaching the word of God none of your students benefited? You did say nobody in your church was spiritual. Right? And this issue of separation - wasn't it you who said you left your evangelical church not long ago? Hmmm.
@colleen789685743 i don't think that she had the right Holy Spirit. well look at the bright side she still have 39,999 denominations to try. looooooooooool Praise the lord hallelujia do you feel the fire in your belly??? Sheesh Protties
God our Father does not recognize denominations, as they have their origin in man, and not His Spirit, which calls for unity. He accepts all those who come to Him through faith in Christ and express that faith through obedient living. Church denominations have nothing to do with this. Evangelicals must stop thinking that the only ones who worship under the roof of an evangelical church are the sons and daughters of God. Your spiritual immaturity is evident to all when you believe as you do.
In the book of Revelation, Jesus rebuked the church at Thyatira because of certain false teachings that were occuring. Some believed the false teachings and some did not. Did Jesus instruct those who did not believe to leave that church and form a new one altogether? No, He did not. Instead, He taught them to hold on to what they knew was the truth, while He himself would deal with the false teachings. Protestants fell into the hand of Satan when they decided to destroy the church's unity.
Paul said, "Whatever you believe about these things, keep between yourself and God." He didn't advocate Christians leaving churches and forming new churches, but this is just what the Protestants did. In so doing, they destroyed the unity that Christ asked of the Father before He went to the cross. Protestant churches split more than atoms, and then you wonder why people are getting disgusted and leaving? Your churches are an absolute mess.
@colleen789685743..Plz buy a clue.Protestants split due to desire to worship freely,mainly b/c of the corruption & heresy from the pope down.You're fishing for an "atta girl" for returning to the RCC..perhaps u should examine your resons for leaving in the first place.I'm happy you're home,now u can go back to being brain-dead whilst some wolf chants to u & tells u 3 hail marys & an our father b4 a bleeding statue will absolve your sin,rendering the blood of Jesus of no effect. Congratulations.
@bella50008 Bella, your post only confirms and validates what my husband and I have discovered about evangelical Christians. You are not speaking by the spirit of our Lord. I have read some of your posts, and you come across as a very angry, bitter, and fleshly individual. You speak of wolves in sheep's clothing. Be careful that you do not become one of them.
@colleen789685743..Madame, with all due respect, neither you nor obviously your husband have the least bit discernment regarding spiritual things,so I put absolutely no merit in your assessment.I come across angry because I am..heresy infuriates me.
Re:sheep in wolves clothing,I have no desire to be one of them. So I will stay at the foot of the cross and not give myself over to "another gospel".I can to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit - without the aid of bleeding satutes and misty demons.
My husband and I returned to the RCC 4 years ago. We got tired of all of the backbiting, judging, critizing, and labeling that goes on in typical evangelical churches from the pulpit on down. We returned to the RCC and found peace of spirit. Seems to me that all evangelicals want to do is jump, clap, scream, sing, and attend Bible studies, and nothing more. In the 20 years that I was an evangelical, I can honestly say that I never saw Christ in any evangelical leader or church member.
@colleen789685743 ..."In the 20 years that I was an evangelical, I can honestly say that I never saw Christ in any evangelical leader or church member."
The more important issue is: did they see Him in you?
@bella50008 Yes, Bella, dear. I do believe that they saw Him in me. I have tried to live a yielded and crucified life before the Lord for the past 25 years. I was in the evangelical arena for 20 years, and I know what goes on in these congregations. By the way, have they seen Jesus in you?
@colleen789685743 ... "Yes, Bella, dear. I do believe that they saw Him in me.... By the way, have they seen Jesus in you?
That would mean that from your pew YOU were the ONLY Christian there.Hmmm...I would say get over yourself but you might think me impertinent. No worries, God has a remnant that has not bowed to Baal.Speaking of bowing, are you back in the habit? Just checking.
And yes I humbly acknowledge that people do see Christ in me.You're looking at Him now, you just don't like Him.
My family returned to the RCC because we were tired of many things in the evangelical churches. We were tired of money/power hungry preachers who used the Name of Christ in order to pursue their own feeble agendas and who thought nothing of mowing down anyone who got in their way. If you take a look at all of the hucksters, false teachers, false prophets, and charlatans floating around today, 99% of them are coming out of the evangelical churches. Go figure.
@22grena ..Amazing.You catholics rant about being the ones who gave the world the bible (totally untrue) - then you launch a campaign against that very document you boast about. Why can't you see there is such idiotic lunacy to this reasoning. Your popes with puffed out chests says 'Here world we have compiled a book to teach you about Jesus, BUT, you must never see this as a dependable source for it is fallible...we are not fallible, but the book we compiled for you is fallible." STUPID!!!
@bella50008 Catholics dont rant that is very much a protestant gift. The Catholic Church put the Bible together and decided what should and should not be in it. You may not like it but its a documented historical fact.
In the New King James version of the Bible it clearly states: Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." Pretty clear here, you don't offer up to God money or your good works for the GIFT of his Son ! Among others, Catholics don't even know that this simple scripture exists in the Bible. So sad...
I have noticed that so many Protestant ''Christians'' are shallow, judgemental, can be very rude, insulting, degrading, ignorant arrogant and just overall hypcritical to a much great degree then Roman Catholics or Eastern Orthodox or any other major Christian denomination. I mean many protestants are even tolerating feminism into the church. Also they talk about the priests errors, but for every catholic preist that abuses kids, there are anywhere between 2 to 5 Protestant ministers that do.
Who has the authority to define what it means to be Christian? Who have been given the authority to teach and interpret the faith? If a protestant sect, which one? How can I know they posses the truth of the Christian message? What church did Christ establish? Can any protestant group claim they are that church? Did it vanish? If so when?
The reason why many evangelicals are leaving to Rome or the Christian East because they realize that sola scriptura is not scriptural. It is a tradition of men. Thank God that they are coming back home, eaither to the Orthodox Catholic or Roman Catholic
I feel that you have spurned me with your horned words so I shall say you have made your personal interpretation of the bible you believe that there is no oral teaching to recieve and that no church can be authoritative in this century so therefore if no teacher exist to teach the next generation for only the bible is left & you believe many people reading their bible can be wrong so if the is no teacher & the book can be misinterpreted neither of us are worthy of listening or talking
@laffiteaumusic "you believe that there is no oral teaching to recieve"
What I believe is irrelevant what you have proven is.
You have failed to provide a list of the oral traditions GIVEN SPECIFICALLY BY JESUS AND/OR THE APOSTLES which we are to keep which were not recorded in the Bible."
Yet you claim that they exist. This is the problem.
"a list of the oral traditions GIVEN SPECIFICALLY BY JESUS AND/OR THE APOSTLES which we are to keep which were not recorded in the Bible."
@laffiteaumusic "no church can be authoritative in this century"
This is a lie from you being that I made no such claim.
" if no teacher exist to teach the next generation for only the bible is left & you believe many people reading their bible can be wrong so if the is no teacher & the book can be misinterpreted neither of us are worthy of listening or talking"
You consistently show your ignorance......Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would teach us...that is the teacher!
@laffiteaumusic In fact the churches in the 1st century were often in doctrinal error and Jesus used the apostles to correct them either in person or by letters.
Read the Galatian epistle the church there was accepting a false gospel of law plus grace. If the church was the authority for doctrine how could this happen?
Yet Jesus had Paul write them a letter to correct this great error.
Read the letters to the 7 churches in Revelations of which many had heretical doctrine cont'd
@laffiteaumusic cont'd like the doctrine of the Nicolatians. If the church was the authority for doctrine then how could some fall into such great error?
The apostles in person and written words were the authority for church doctrine and they are not here to teach us in person today but we have their and Jesus written words.
"the website I reference references all catholic teachings in the bible"
Another lie from satan.
You cannot find Catholic traditions in the Bible especially being that the church in the Bible is not the Catholic church and there were no popes in the 1st century.
Any website that claims this is simply lying and anyone who believes it is blind and deceived.
The Bible was written in the 1st century so it the best record of the true early church not writings from the 2nd century.
The Bible clearly records the names of the apostles and the church according to apostolic tradition and the church's name was not and is not the Catholic church.
for you comment on the bible not supporting the Catholic church I could give you a website that shows how the bible shows many catholic beliefs spread out. and for the apostles not calling it catholic church no but the people of the next generation did in 110AD we have a letter by a theological writter saying catholic church as if it was no big deal. and all of the apostles were bishops and clement in the bible was our 4th pope
@laffiteaumusic "for you comment on the bible not supporting the Catholic church I could give you a website that shows how the bible shows many catholic beliefs spread out."
Not interested. I have heard it all. There is no Catholic church in the Bible and you know that. If there was then you would not have to cite websites but rather you would be able to cite where in the Bible the church is called the Catholic church, where there are Popes mention....but you cannot
@troysz I'll concede that Pope & Catholic arn't written in the NT but they do come up for the names afterwards Peter was the 1st Pope & it was his final word that decided that Judas chair should be replaced all of the apostles were bishops & when 1 bishop dies the head bishop(head apostle)(pope) confirms the new bishop(apostle) the website I reference references all catholic teachings in the bible & it is very organized but I have yet to use it for it gives too many scripture 4 a utube comment
@laffiteaumusic "I'll concede that Pope & Catholic arn't written in the NT but they do come up for the names afterwards"
That is a lie from satan.
How do we know what Jesus', Paul, Peter, Rome, Israel's, etc, names were? Because of what they are scripture.
If someone told you that Mary the mother of Jesus name had changed to Betty in the 2nd century would you accept that? NO! you would not unless you were a fool.
@troysz I didn't say that the name was changed it was created & so what is the name of God's church the group of believers that all taught the same exact things that the apostles taught. no denomination goes as far back as the catholic denomination we are the only church that may possibly have the apostolic sucsession that was shown in Acts 1. How can we become the teachers with out being taught by the teachers it is hard to accept that all denominations try to interpret the bible & r different
@laffiteaumusic "I didn't say that the name was changed it was created"
Stop being foolish that is the same thing. If the church's name in the 1st century was not the Catholic church and you claim it was created later in the 2nd century then it was changed.
The point is that the apostles did not teach to call the church the Catholic church so it is not apostolic tradition.
The church was commanded to keep the traditions taught by the apostles not other men.
@laffiteaumusic "no denomination goes as far back as the catholic denomination we are the only church that may possibly have the apostolic sucsession that was shown in Acts 1."
There is no apostle succession shown is Acts 1 except the fulfillment of scripture concerning Judas' office being replaced. It did not say the same about any other apostle.
@laffiteaumusic "How can we become the teachers with out being taught by the teachers"
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would teach us all things.
You may not believe this but I do and it has taught me, it has opened my eyes to many things.
Paul wrote that we should keep the traditions that had been taught to the church then in the 1st century he did not say to make up new ones as your Catholic sect does.
@laffiteaumusic Paul also said that his letters should be considered as authoritative as his oral teaching. We cannot receive oral teaching from the apostles since they are not on the earth but we yet have their written teaching and the apostles' teaching is the highest authority to the church since they and only they received their teachings directly from Jesus to give to the church.
@laffiteaumusic What the apostles taught was so authoritative that Paul said not even the apostles themselves, an angel from heaven, or any other man (including bishops) could add to it...or they were accursed.
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:7,8
@laffiteaumusic "for the apostles not calling it catholic church no but the people of the next generation did in 110AD"
The church was established in the 1st century not the second century. In 2 Thess 2:15 the apostle Paul wrote that we were to "hold to and stand fast in the traditions which they had been taught by the apostles orally and in letters.
@laffiteaumusic cont'd....."have been taught" is past tense not future. Paul did not say hold to and standfast to traditions that you will be taught after we the apostle die from others.
traditions you have been taught means that the Thessalonian church had already been taught the traditions Paul spoke of. Since Thess was written between 51-52AD the apostles church traditions had already been established in the 1st half of the 1st century.
@laffiteaumusic "we have a letter by a theological writter saying catholic church as if it was no big deal."
No letter by any writer can add to the traditions that Paul said the church had already been taught in the 1st century. Only apostles were authorized by Jesus to establish church tradition. Not even Timothy could establish church tradition but rather he was to continue in what the apostles taught him and the church.
The truth is that being protestant isn't enough. It's not music and karaoke and little things its the protestant church as a whole. It's nonexistent there is no backbone or truth that is being taught. Thousands of churches that disagree on doctrine can't be true. Protestants say that the holy spirit guides their interpretation then why don't you agree with one another. That's why protestants are headed to Rome.
what 'truth that we had with faithful evangelicals?' What about the truth we had as Catholics from the time of the Apostles? Why go back only to the 16th Century? Go beyond... reform has always been with us! Look at Francis of Assisi. Yet he did not hate the Church, he reformed through love.
oh man @CATHOLICFORLIFE2000@troysz when you (not talking to either of you specifically)know the truth(not capitalized for a reason) for you've converted to another religion or denomination you'll have a wealth of knowledge on why you chose that path. but all believe they know the truth so if we don't realize that when we write we must sound humble & stern to be 1 or the other will not do. today's mass 9-16-11 is fitting for us to learn how to teach the Word & it was beautiful nondenominational
@CATHOLICFORLIFE2000 sorry but the talk was becoming too heated and sometimes less truth gets through in heated discussion. although you made very good points.
That includes you (and I am talking specifically to you).
I do not think I know the truth I do know the truth. The truth is in Jesus Christ not in the Catholic church especially since neither Jesus or the apostles named the church Catholic.
I am not interested in how you think I should write or sound. You post as you choose and be assured that regardless of what you think I will continue to do the same.
@troysz the truth is scary have you ever watched the Journey Home it is a program that brings converts to the church on live and it has be running for 15 years and the majority of guests are ministers of every denomination that say as they went into the bible they became catholic. Proverbs 14:12 . all denominations were set up by man except the eastern and western catholic church. In inda the apostle thomas help set up that catholic church and John for many in russia. research your history
@laffiteaumusic "the majority of guests are ministers of every denomination that say as they went into the bible they became catholic. "
No one can become Catholic by reading the Bible because the church in the Bible is not called the Catholic church by either Jesus or the apostles. Also there are no Popes, nuns, purgatory, praying to believers gone to heaven, etc anywhere in the Bible.
The Catholic gospel is not the one preached by the apostles and anyone who accepts is blind and lost.
@troysz it is sad you are calling me a liar of sorts for I did listen to many testimonies and the critical decision for a protestent minister would be the church adhering to the bible and you say that I am lying. how about this tell me what denomination you are closest to theologically and I can give you a convert minister to catholicism
@laffiteaumusic "it is sad you are calling me a liar of sorts"
It is sad that you just lied because I did not call you a liar.
"how about this tell me what denomination you are closest to theologically"
I am not close to any denomination theologically. Also id the whole world converted to Catholicism it would mean nothing to me other than they are all blind and deceived.
Only a blind person would think that there is any importance in people converting to man made sects
@troysz "No one can become Catholic by reading the Bible because the church in the Bible is not called the Catholic church by either Jesus or the apostles. Also there are no Popes, nuns, purgatory, praying to believers gone to heaven, etc anywhere in the Bible." So by this you are saying that these people that focus the most on scripture were blind all of them these bible sola scriptura evangelicals were blind and did not base much of their conversion on the bible.that is what I meant by lieing
@laffiteaumusic " all denominations were set up by man except the eastern and western catholic church."
The Catholic sect is the mother of all denominations being the 1st to take a name not given to the church by either Jesus or the apostles to distinguish it self from what it considered heretical churches.
You can deluded yourself all you wish but there is no Catholic church in the Bible which is why your sect trust in traditions of men rather than God's word.
I read the Didache at age 8. By age 11 I had read the catechism of the Catholic church and the writings of the "early church fathers" (though the true early church fathers are the apostles). I have thoroughly studied history.
Our faith is to be based upon God's word not history other than the history in his word. The OT and the NT are the best historical record of God's revelation to man through those he chose.
@mpenaco [1Mary's titles] most of Mary's titles come from apparitions so if you want to really know why she gets the name look at the apparition. My fiancee read a book on marian apparitions but got bored because Mary usually does the same thing each time. Pray to me so that I may help, Come to Jesus for He is God; some miracles happen then hundreds sometimes thousands of people come to believe in Jesus. Jesus love for her so He lets her be an Evangelical missionary hundreds of times
@laffiteaumusic Mary's titles come mostly from apparitions, not from Scripture. And we do not know where those apparitions come from. For the RCC to assume that those apparitions come from God is a dangerous thing to do. Remember, Satan is a master deceiver who can transform himself as an angel of light. He could very well be the author of those apparitions for the purpose of deceiving the people.
@mpenaco [Responses to Family prayers] I saw a video & have read some scripture so when I find it I will send that to you as well with the same title but I don't have that with me on hand I have been learning my faith in the last 4 years as I did not grow up in a catholic home so I am not talented at whipping out the scripture I can paraphase it though but I wish for you to be able to read it so I will send that to you in due time. Please be patient with me brother
@mpenaco [2Statues] God doesn't let science know for sure when He wants people to have faith(if you want more on this ask separately for I am scientific) so statues serve as a reminder because would we be happy with children that look up to Jesus but also to a doctor saint if they should be a doctor or (my fav) St. Louis King of France (only saint that ruled a nation) or how about they look up to our failing examples like George Bush & Bill Clinton or Theodore Roosevelt(he was bad historically)
@laffiteaumusic The problem with your statues is they don't even come close to the real thing. For instance this is how the Bible describes Jesus: "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not." (Is.53:2-3).
Yet your church's statues and images of Jesus portray a good-looking, attractive young man totally different from the Jesus of the Bible.
@mpenaco I personally think Jesus doesn't look good in the statues. for Mary's titles it takes 10-40yrs usually for an apparition to be approved & many are not approved but they check to see if she teaches any contradictory things b/c that would make it a false apparition. to be fair Mary is not the only one that is considered as sinless but they all fail in comparison to Jesus's actions for us. I understand why you think all people should not be called sinless except Jesus.
To say that Mary or any human being other than Jesus is sinless is to make St. Paul, and St. John liars. The Bible would then be considered to contain false statements, like those professed by the psalmist in Psalm 51:5.
@mpenaco [1Statues] is the Abraham Lincoln monument sinful for it is a large statue, did God forbid artist to make a living when he said no engraven images, Of course not.Catholicism will use art & display saints, Mary, & heavenly depictions so that others might come to understand whom they are praying to up in heaven. the statue itself holds no power other than what God may try to do through it like Crying Jesus statues which still happen & science has done MRIs to look for tampering but . . .
@laffiteaumusic Your church wants you to worship God according to its own terms. Unfortunately such terms contradict Scripture. God is a spirit and those who worship him do so in spriit and in truth. Spirit and truth do not reside in stone images. God resides with his people and his laws are written in their hearts. God's people do not need any medium or physical image to aid in worship.
@mpenaco (responses to statues) we don't need statues but what displays the faith for us to see. The early church was filled with illeteracy & for visual learners (which some people learn better by sight) to see what those people did is helpful. yep we must make sure we worship him in spirit as well as what we do with our bodies for we are suppose to be wittnesses to others of what Christ is like.
@laffiteaumusic The Abraham Lincoln monument is not sinful because we do not see it as an object of worship. We don't bow down or kneel in front of it. We do not ask Lincoln for mercy, protection and intercession. But what we do in front of Mary's image is idolatrous worship which God hates.
@mpenaco haha typo you don't kneel b4 statues. We don't worship the actual statues like the israelites worshipped a golden cafe statue. the statue has no power "we believe" only the saint in heaven can pray for us for like I can pray for sick friends. What I was trying to make a point of is usually when people pray to God they look @ a cross on the wall(Crucifix if your catholic) or a picture. & art isn't evil. I am about to stop commenting. please speak your mind brother I wish to listen
@laffiteaumusic If images of and pictures are acceptalbe practices in worship, what then did God mean by this command:
“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; (Ex. 20:4-5)
@mpenaco he command moses to make the arc of the covenant which has two sculptures of angels on top of it due to Gods request & I would rather you talk to a knowledgable jew or a faithful convert from judaism to magnify what the arc of the covenant meant to them. all I will say is that part of the reason the temple was so important was the arc being there & having been there after the arc had been stolen in 300 BC. if u r done commenting I'd like for us both to have our last goodbye comment soon
@mpenaco I wanted to leave for I came to acknowledge certain truths. We both believe scripture supports our position but I am not being fair for I know you want scripture reference & I can only paraphrase so I will go back to the apologetics teachers (like Scott Hahn & Tim Staples)& learn to give scripture reference like they do. I will slowly give you the scriptures. I'm not a great teacher but I thank you for our discussion. Peace & God's Blessings Be With You My Brother In Christ.
@mpenaco [2] to God in the Holy Trinity but our Love of neighbor will makes us want to pray for the sinful people on earth for we see their weakness. God wants us to act & not to just stand their. We will be blessed with the highest exchange of love God's Love.We will want that for others as well. Now I will define although we consider Mary sinless that does not make her god, if it were poker she would only have 2 chips & God has the rest & she knows God gave her the chips she has now.
@laffiteaumusic Revelation 5:2-4 has this to say: "And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside."
If Mary was sinless, then this passage would be wrong. But we know what John saw was the truth from God so Mary, no doubt, was sinful.
@mpenaco once again she was sinless but that does not mean she is that great. God died for us on the cross. when you say stuff like that I say you are elevating her to Godly status. We don't do that & I would ask you to stop This is a big defernce between sinless woman verses God's Son Jesus that Died for ALL SINS & IS SINLESS FOR ALL ETERNITY. I put thing in cabs based on importants so please don't think I am yelling but look at it like a sign of reverence
@laffiteaumusic But the Bible says only Jesus was sinless. So for you to say that Mary was sinless definitely puts her on the level of Jesus because no one else has reached that level of purity other than God himself. So your statement "she was sinless but that does not mean she is that great" does not make any sense at all.
@mpenaco would you stop comparing Mary to God(WE DONT WORSHIP HER it is called veneration a word almost lost to history) of course she Rejoices she is humble like she should be and without Jesus she can find no rest, the gates of heaven would not be opened to anyone. On Romans I heard a speaker that gave perfect refutation using the Bible alone so I will hand that and another youtube video to you. Do you know anything about Marys parents or apostles apprentices they are in catholic history
@laffiteaumusic You say you don't worship Mary but your actions speak differently. While God commanded not to make graven images for worship, the RCC promotes the making of all kinds of stone images of Mary and other saints in complete defiance of this command. While God commanded his people not to bow down to any stone image or worship them, Catholics bow down and kneel to stone images of Mary. They call to her for mercy, protection and intercession -- things only God can give.
@mpenaco [1] We believe in a family of God. The eldest Brother (as wise as the Father more or less) all look up to Him for He dies for us and you have elder brothers, sisters, and mother that you look up to & will praise(not worship) them for what they have done & ask them to pray for you when you are in need. I have heard both a Jew & a priest say that prayer means to connect or spiritually talk. Our love for others will be perfected when we get to heaven & we will worship, praise, pray . . .
@laffiteaumusic We pray for our brothers who are alive so that God in his mercy might heal them of any illness or grant them their wish or get them to repent of sinful acts. But the dead cannot repent, do not get sick and do not have wishes or prayers that God can fulfill. So our prayers for the dead accomplishes nothing. And the belief that they can intercede for us goes against what the Psalmist proclaims: "The dead do not praise the LORD, nor do any who go down into silence." Ps.115:17
@laffiteaumusic Connecting with the spirits of the dead is possible but is a practice in occultism which God warns his people not to do (Lev. 19:31). But the RCC defies this command of God by promoting the belief that the spirit of Mary and other saints maybe contacted for favors such as mercy, protection and intercession with God. God will not be pleased.
@mpenaco Im assuming youre not as ignorant as this comment seems . But just to clarify, just because someone kneels at a statue does NOT mean they are worshiping it. I may kneel at a statue but I only worship God. The statue is just a focus or a sign post of a place to stop and show reverence.
@mickey30981 Bowing down to a statue is specifically forbidden by God. He made no qualification or exception in his command against bowing to graven images for the purpose of worship. Mary's images and those of other saints are made for worship and not for anything else so this practice falls squarely under and violates God's express command against idol worship.
@mpenaco (This should follow the comment beginning "Im assumuming youre not.." Of course I worship anywhere, but Jesus tells us to pray for our "daily bread" Hes not just asking us to pray for nutrition, but also petitions to grant us opportunies for spiritual nourishment along the path of each day, to be reminded to keep God in our hearts. Statues are just but one small opportunity for just that. And, no we dont worship Mary or her statues.The bible tells us to call blessed. do you?
@mickey30981 Catholics do not just worship Mary. They put her above God himself by proclaiming that when God closes the door Mary opens a window. The implication is unmistakeable! God may deny a sinner entry into heaven but through Mary's immaculate heart, the sinner still manages to sneak in. Mary therefore has more pity and mercy on the sinners than God the Father himself. This is nothing short of blasphemy.
@laffiteaumusic Do I know anything about Mary's parents? What I know is that they were sinners like you and and me. They, like everyone of us, inherited the sin of Adam. Mary, their daughter was not exempt from this inherited sin according to Scripture. But your church teaches, contrary to Scripture, that Mary did not inherit Adam's sin, making her equal to Jesus. Your church is teaching a heresy.
@mpenaco . .(2) . if you are the all powerful God would you want your child to be having to honor some sinful women or would you have her be pure while she do no miracles and she did not save humanity she still held Jesus knowing that she could be stoned to death for having a child not of Joseph's loins I wish our women would consider that when they go to abort their children
@laffiteaumusic Part 1/2: God's ways are always perfect. We, on the other hand are imperfect, sinful and limited in understanding. We may see God's action weird or wrong but that's not because God made a mistake but simply because we fail to understand fully God's plans. So when God used a sinner Mary to be the mother of Jesus, he did so to accomplish his great plan of salvation. Mary's sinfulness was never an obstacle to that plan. For her obedience, Mary is counted as part of God's children.
@laffiteaumusic Part 2/2: But God's use of Mary did not make her queen or immaculate or mediatrix or co-redemptrix or gate of heaven or anything else besides being the earthly mother of our savior. Jesus made it clear that in heaven, his mother, brother and sister are those who do the will of the Father. Mary did the Father's will and she too will be recognized as Jesus' mother.
I have many comments but I always try to see both sides please tell me more about this st. Bernard like who canonized him in what time period but most importantly what passage & what is his whole name. still yes the website I gave gives reference to purgatory and if you so wish I could send you somethings on Mary w/ better scripture reference. Yes I do support what the Catholic Church is doing but none of that is being reported heavily. All Christians Seek Truth. God Bless
A person who believes that the Bible is the word of God is bound to encounter problems with Catholic doctrines about Mary, the Purgatory and Papal Infallibility whether or not he believes in Sola Scriptura. The Bible contains clear testimonies that go against these Catholic teachings and it is impossible to reconcile them without adding artificial exceptions to what the Bible declares.
@mpenaco scripturecatholic . com catholicism is easily found in the bible but protestant reformation brought a wave of people that chose to interpret the Bible themselves. The saddest sight was a video I saw on Alpha & Omega(denomination) saying Calvinists are not christians. I've seen many denominations say the other is not christian but all say Sola Scriptura. If we are the body then Why are we not united in belief, what people pausibly have authority based down to them? God Bless U Brother
@laffiteaumusic Part 1/2: The only part of your comment I take exception with is your statement "catholicism is easily found in the bible". And that's because I find Catholic doctrines on Mary, papal infallibility and the purgatory going against the teachings of Scripture. For instance, where the Bible says "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom 3:23), Catholicism promotes Mary as being sinless.
@laffiteaumusic Part 2/2: Where the Bible proclaims that through the blood of Christ our sins are washed away, Catholicism teaches purgatory which promotes that though God has forgiven our sins, we may still have unconfessed sins making us unworthy of heaven, hence the need for a place of cleansing called purgatory. This raises an important question: Is the blood of Christ not sufficient to wash away all kinds of sins in us? Is purgatory more powerful than Christ's sacrifice to remove sins?
@laffiteaumusic Part 1/2: Is the RCC united? Do you agree with the RCC's handling of the child abuse cases? Are all of your saints agreed that Mary was sinless? Wasn't the Eastern Orthodox Church part of the RCC before? Let me quote a statement from St. Bernard to show you that even canonized saints do not beleive in one of your church's most cherished doctrine: the immaculate conception indicating not unity but disunity in belief:
@laffiteaumusic Part 2/2: St. Bernard: "For this reason, our astonishment is not small in seeing that some of you are believed to be able to introduce a new feast that is unknown to the rite of the Church that cannot be approved by reason, that is condemned by the ancient traditions, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception."
@mpenaco I have many comments but I always try to see both sides please tell me more about this st. Bernard like who canonized him in what time period but most importantly what passage & what is his whole name. still yes the website I gave gives reference to purgatory and if you so wish I could send you somethings on Mary w/ better scripture reference. Yes I do support what the Catholic Church is doing but none of that is being reported heavily. All Christians Seek Truth. God Bless
@laffiteaumusic The details about who St. Bernard was and who canonized him are historical facts that you can research at your leisure. The fact that being a saint, he wrote those words says a lot about the claim to unity within the RCC. So you think the Marian doctrines are Biblical? Please show me how Rom. 3:10, 3:23, 1 Cor. 15:22 and Psalm 51:5 reconcile with the doctrine that Mary was sinless.
@mpenaco personally I'm not the best at explaining marian doctorine so I'll say you should ask Tim Staples for he is the best person I know on aspects of catholicism in scripture. Depending on the age we can still consider him a saint for st. Jerome made a comment that supports protestants on the "apocrypha" but he said it b4 the bishops listed the books in the bible & apocryphal books back in 397. saints are people they can be wrong on issues. as a majority there was belief in this doctrine
@laffiteaumusic I absolutely agree with you that saints are people who can be wrong on issues. The truth is, any doctrine or teaching that comes from any person can be wrong. As for me, the only way we can be sure that a certain teaching or practice is the truth is by comparing it with Scripture with is the word of God. Just because it is the majority view does not guarantee a doctrine's truthfulness. Scripture must be our standard against which all kinds of teaching are to be compared.
@mpenaco But how would scripture be compiled if not for them being the descendents of (apprentice of apprentice, etc.) the apostles. there were councils that gathered to put together in bible in the 300s but in the bible it says hold to the traditions we taught you either by by word of mouth or by letter. said by paul I will get the verse later but what if there were teachings that developed that aren't talked like holy trinity, testament, antichrist. how much words did jesus say in 3yrs Brother
@laffiteaumusic The problem with the RCC traditions is that many of them contradict the teachings of the Bible. For example while the Bible says "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me"(Ps. 51:5) the RCC proclaims Mary as sinless. The claim that the RCC traditions also come from the apostles becomes highly questionable because of contradictions which should not exist if they come from the same source as the Bible`s.
@mpenaco but if jesus gets his flesh from Mary is Jesus sinful or could God chose to honor his future mother with a sinless birth but it is still up to her to work hard to keep it that way. and I bet she was thankful that she no longer had to fear for after Jesus died for us she could rest in the Lord and I know that she can be forgiven. We acknowledge Jesus as the new Adam but could that make Mary the new Eve Both born without sin although I wish not to elevate her to be equal to Jesus but. . .
@laffiteaumusic St. Augustine's statement addresses your question:
Augustine Bishop of Hippo: "He, Christ, alone being made a man but remaining God never had any sin nor did He take on flesh of sin, though He took flesh of the sin of His mother."
@mpenaco but ask any jew the original sin is passed on therefore he would be sinful. Sadly you must acknowledge that all of his flesh came from his mother like all of Eves flesh came from Adam. that is why Jesus refers to his mother as woman like adam refers to eve as woman for they are bone of each others bone(there jesus is not disrespecting her but honoring her in her purity) for if otherwise he wouldn't be honoring his mother & he would be sinning if interpreted differently
@laffiteaumusic You can argue all you want that Mary was conceived and born without sin but that does not change the truth of Scripture that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"(Rom. 3:23), and "There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.” (Rom. 3:10-12). Paul made absolutely no exceptions.
@laffiteaumusic You compare Mary to Jesus but such a comparison is not valid for obvious reasons. We know that Jesus is God while Mary was human. Comparing Mary to Jesus is like comparing hell to heaven, imperfection to perfection, corruptible to incorruptible. The truth is, God uses sinners to accomplish his plan for us. Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Paul, Peter, John --- all of them were sinners but God used them mightily for his own purpose. Mary was no exception.
@mpenaco God does use sinners to do his work like Popes, saints,and apostles down the years. but if marry was born sinful then Jesus who get all his humanity from his mother would then have the sinful aspect of the flesh that his mother gives. otherwise God would have had to appear and be born from a floating point. I can compare Mary to Jesus but I clarified last time it is God that gave her those graces & she is not God but His humble handmaiden who submitted to His will. she raised the Child
@laffiteaumusic Part 1/2: The Bible has declared in no uncertain terms that Jesus was without sin. That declaration is never made on Mary. Your belief that Mary was without sin is purely by implication that being the mother of Jesus, she must be sinless inorder to keep Jesus sinless. But that is pure human logic which is faulty. Using your own reasoning, Mary`s mother must be sinless as well to keep Mary sinless.
@mpenaco You are wrong about why mary is sinless. Youre correct that if that were the reason , the logical conclusion is that Marys entire lineage would have to be without sit. Mary is without sin because God knew was predestined to be the Mother of God,and it was Gods singular gift to her for her complete acent of her will...she was the first Christian. this was taught by the earliest Church Fathers and accepted from that time. It doesnt need to be in the bible alone.
@mickey30981The bible doesnt not teach the bible alone. The bible teaches that the Church is the pillar and bulwark of truth, and we called to keep the "traditions" that are taught by the apostles. Marys Immaculate Conception is this Church Tradition. We follow Mary becuase shes the best example of a Christian, and as a holy mother, she wants nothing more than to lead us to her Son. So we ask
God for Mary to be model.This is not worship.You ask your friends and family to pray 4 u.
@mickey30981 So you should also ask God to let Mary pray for us to develop a closer and closer personal relationship with her son, Jesus Christ. I have infinite more trust in the power of Marys intersession over any person on earth or in heaven. If you ask a friend or relative for prayer, why not the mother of our Lord, if you're not going to ask God directly anyway??
@mickey30981 Why not pray to God directly? In The Lord's Prayer which Jesus gave to his disciples, did Jesus include any instruction to call a saint to help in our prayers? Did Jesus call to any saint in heaven in his priestly prayer in John 17? When you call Mary in your prayer, can she hear you? Is she omniscient like God? You can pray to God in silence and you know God hears your prayers. Is it the same when you call to Mary? How do we know that?
@mpenaco Yes, the people in heaven can hear your prayers, and they're praying with you, and their prayers have [better] effects.
Revelation 8:4
"And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand."
And you know what happens after that. "Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake."
And why better effects? Because they are with God already. Their wishes and prayers match God's will better than ours do (because we are still sinful). So they know what pleases God and will do accordingly.
Did Jesus include any instruction to call a saint to help in our prayers? Not specifically to a saint, but He instructed us to pray for each other. Now the Christian fellowship does not end with death. Those who are with God, are still living, and able to pray and worship God just like us.
@aelissa39 .."And why better effects? Because they are with God already. Their wishes and prayers match God's will better than ours do (because we are still sinful). So they know what pleases God and will do accordingly."
Are you serious.God never told us to pray to the dead.It is the Holy Spirit that Jesus promised He would send after His ascension to live in us,help us to pray,intercede for us, guide us into all truth.This catholic heresy renders Him useless and unemployed. Demonic lies.
@mickey30981 Traditions are the stumbling block of the pharisees who thought they were the true church of God but Jesus condemned their traditions as mere traditions of men and their church as synagogue of Satan. So don't assume that because it is the tradition of your church that it is from God.
@mpenaco And don't you know that the Jewish traditions the Pharisees followed came from God? Read your Old Testament, my friend!
What Jesus condemned was the act of doing traditions without really understanding the meaning of it all (doing traditions for the sake of doing traditions). Jesus never condemned ALL traditions. He respected those! He celebrated the Passover, attended the wedding, and everything.
@mickey30981 The Bible does not teach Bible alone but it does teach that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" so if you believe the Bible is the word of God then you have to abandon the belief that any human was conceived, born and lived without sin because the Bible clearly does not support it.
@mpenaco When we use the word "all" it does not necessarily mean "each and every one". Jesus, as a man, did not sin. Children below the age of reason also do not sin.
Mary's immaculate conception is largely due to salvation by Jesus. Mary, too, required a Saviour. Like all other descendants of Adam, she was subject to the necessity of contracting original sin. HOWEVER, a person can be saved by two means: by being reached down after he has fallen, OR by being prevented from falling. ...
...Mary's case is obviously the latter. By receiving Christ’s grace at her conception, she had His grace applied to her before she was able to become mired in original sin and its stain.
Being immaculate, or not sinful does not mean contesting God. Adam and Eve and all the angels were also created without sin, remember? Yet they were still not equal to God. On the contrary, being immaculate is a grace, a proof of God's power. So yeah, of course someone can live without sin, if God wills it.
@aelissa39 ... Jesus was the ONLY human who did not sin. This doctrine of immaculate conception and sinlessness of mary is a lie and heresy perpetuated by the rcc. A person is saved only ONE way thru the blood of Jesus Christ. It is amazing how you people just make up lies to reinforce other lies and justify your idolatry.
@bella50008 Of course a person is saved only through Christ's sacrifice. But it does not only happen in a linear manner, i.e. born, then sin, then repent, then receive Jesus, then get baptized, then saved... Because Christ is, you surely agree, an Almighty Savior. He can save someone even before they are born. He can even save people who, according to human understanding, are dead, but are NOT dead to God, like the old prophets Abraham, Moses, Elijah...
@mickey30981 In heaven, Jesus' mother is not Mary. He said so himself:
“Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Mat. 12:48-50
@mpenaco Thankfully, Jesus did not say that because He wanted to belittle His mother. Otherwise He would've violated one of the commandments to "honor your father and mother". >gasp!<
One of Jesus's missions was to undo and rebuilt human relationships. Thanks to Him, our relationships to each other now are not merely biological, but also spiritual. So even though you are not a member of my biological family, I can still say that you are my family too, in God.
In this passage, we see that Jesus did not want that JUST BECAUSE Mary is His mother, she could be treated in a special way. No. What He wanted was, if Mary was ever given any special treatment, that's because she was a GOOD DISCIPLE, one who "does the will of the Father in heaven". He was also saying that just because other people were not His family members, does not mean they were less precious or less important.
This also explains a similar passage in Luke 11:27.
@laffiteaumusic Part 2/2: Then Mary`s grandma and great grandma must be immaculate also otherwise any sin would be passed on to Mary. That means Adam and Eve must be free from sin to keep Mary from inheriting their original sin. I hope you see the absurdity of this belief in the sinlessness of Mary.
@laffiteaumusic The RCC`s view of Mary is totally different from how Jesus`sees Mary. Listen to this:
"A crowd was sitting around him, and they told him, "Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you." "Who are my mother and my brothers?" he asked. Then he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother." (Mk. 3:32-35)
Jesus`mother is not Mary but anyone who do God`s will.
@mpenaco so are you trying to say that she didn't do Gods will & that once again he is not honoring his mother in saying this. she raised a new born infant a 1yr old, 2 yr old, etc. she did Gods will in how she served as a mother to Jesus. it is not as if Jesus had a bad childhood & she was bad. What he says gives honor to not just his mother but also all mothers that seek to raise their children in an earnest attempt to raise children of God.
@laffiteaumusic The biblical way of honoring Mary is to obey what his son Jesus commanded. She said this herself when she uttered these words at the wedding in Cana: "His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you." (John 2:5). Is the RCC following what Mary said? Jesus never commanded his disciples to honor Mary as immaculate, sinless, gate of heaven, queen of heaven, mediatrix and co-redemptrix. These are all RCC-made teachings. The RCC failed to honor Mary's simple wish.
@mpenaco Wrong again! All those titles reflect our honor to have a sprititual mother that teaches us to do Christs will. We love mary because she teaches us how to do whatever Christ asks. She never fails to lead us to Christ! You said it just right - she tells us to be followers of christ.You dont even know what those titles mean because you look at them from your anti catholic lense, but they all, in essence, refer to the bibilcal call to honor Christs mother for her obedience.
@mickey30981 We honor Mary by obeying her son's commands, not by giving her divine titles. The truth is, there is no queen in heaven. In the Book of Jeremiah, God's people tried to give honor to the queen of heaven but God punished them for such practice. There is no queen in heaven my friend. The RCC's teachings about Mary do not please God at all.
@mpenaco Mary is called "Queen" because she is the mother of a King (Jesus). The queenship of Mary comes from Jesus Himself, and it's not because she is Jesus's / God's wife, but because she is Jesus's mother. So she's the QUEEN MOTHER. There's no denying in that.
Now does a queen mother have bigger, higher power than her son, the king? No. Final decision is on the king's hand. But a queen mother is closer to her son and understand him better than any other people...
...so the queen mother can provide maybe some inputs, to the king. And yes, the king will listen. In this case, Mary's "inputs" is her prayers.
Obeying her son's commands? What about one of Jesus's last commands: "Behold, your mother" before giving Mary to His beloved disciple? Aren't we all Jesus's beloved disciples? This is what John meant by not including his own name in this verse.
Of course praying directly to God is great. But it never hurts to have other supporters along your track.
@aelissa39 .. Mary is no queen mother. And no one understands Jesus better than His Father and the Holy Spirit. If you knew God you'd understand that.
@bella50008 I never said Mary understands Jesus the best. No human can understand God 100%. But Mary understands with her faith, with her total reliance to God's will. This trait is obviously not unique to Mary, we can all do this and receive some divine enlightenment, if that's what God wants. What makes Mary different is that she's "full of grace". No other person, in the Bible, in history, has or will receive a blessing higher than that bestowed to Mary by God Himself.
Praise The Lorddaaa!! Hallelujiaaaaaaaaaaa Do you feel the fire in your belly. If u are not baptised in blood u are not rapture Ready. Catholics are not rapture ready oh well guess we will stay on earth.
dadadude1 5 days ago
What is the pillar and foundation of the Truth?
CSSDINC 6 days ago
@CSSDINC the Church without any doubt.
The Church Is One (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13, CCC 813–822)
The Church Is Holy (Eph. 5:25–27, Rev. 19:7–8, CCC 823–829)
The Church Is Catholic (Matt. 28:19–20, Rev. 5:9–10, CCC 830–856)
The Church Is Apostolic (Eph. 2:19–20, CCC 857–865)
dadadude1 5 days ago
@dadadude1 while I once would have disagreed with you, After much Grace, prayer, study, and use of common sense I can say a whole hearted Amen Brother!!!
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Ephesians 2:8-10
King James Version (KJV) 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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bella50008 3 weeks ago
Bella, if you were truly remaining "at the foot of the cross," this posture would be reflected in love and words which reflect that you are yielded to the Holy Spirit. Your words posted earlier reek of the flesh, not of the Spirit. If things make you angry, you must learn how to deal with your anger in a way that does not bring reproach to the name of our Lord. Paul said, "What we are in our letters we will be in person." That being said, I just don't see Christ in you.
colleen789685743 3 weeks ago
@colleen789685743 ..."That being said, I just don't see Christ in you."
LOL!! I am not surprised. By your own admission, you don't see Christ in anybody. I'm thinking I'm in pretty good company. SMH.
bella50008 3 weeks ago
Bella, you still have not been able to refute the scriptures I posted earlier. Instead, you have resorted to attacking my person and Catholics in general. Your vicious comments earlier show that you are walking in your flesh, and not in God's Spirit. I have been a teacher of the Bible for over 25 years and have studied to show myself approved before God. Nowhere in the N.T. does Christ or His apostles instruct Christians to separate from other Christians if they disagree on doctrines, etc.
colleen789685743 3 weeks ago 2
@colleen789685743 .."I have been a teacher of the Bible for over 25 years and have studied to show myself approved before God. Nowhere in the N.T. does Christ.. instruct Christians to separate from other Christians if they disagree on doctrines, etc"
Really? 25 years teaching the word of God none of your students benefited? You did say nobody in your church was spiritual. Right? And this issue of separation - wasn't it you who said you left your evangelical church not long ago? Hmmm.
bella50008 3 weeks ago
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@colleen789685743 i don't think that she had the right Holy Spirit. well look at the bright side she still have 39,999 denominations to try. looooooooooool Praise the lord hallelujia do you feel the fire in your belly??? Sheesh Protties
dadadude1 5 days ago
God our Father does not recognize denominations, as they have their origin in man, and not His Spirit, which calls for unity. He accepts all those who come to Him through faith in Christ and express that faith through obedient living. Church denominations have nothing to do with this. Evangelicals must stop thinking that the only ones who worship under the roof of an evangelical church are the sons and daughters of God. Your spiritual immaturity is evident to all when you believe as you do.
colleen789685743 3 weeks ago
In the book of Revelation, Jesus rebuked the church at Thyatira because of certain false teachings that were occuring. Some believed the false teachings and some did not. Did Jesus instruct those who did not believe to leave that church and form a new one altogether? No, He did not. Instead, He taught them to hold on to what they knew was the truth, while He himself would deal with the false teachings. Protestants fell into the hand of Satan when they decided to destroy the church's unity.
colleen789685743 3 weeks ago
Paul said, "Whatever you believe about these things, keep between yourself and God." He didn't advocate Christians leaving churches and forming new churches, but this is just what the Protestants did. In so doing, they destroyed the unity that Christ asked of the Father before He went to the cross. Protestant churches split more than atoms, and then you wonder why people are getting disgusted and leaving? Your churches are an absolute mess.
colleen789685743 3 weeks ago
@colleen789685743..Plz buy a clue.Protestants split due to desire to worship freely,mainly b/c of the corruption & heresy from the pope down.You're fishing for an "atta girl" for returning to the RCC..perhaps u should examine your resons for leaving in the first place.I'm happy you're home,now u can go back to being brain-dead whilst some wolf chants to u & tells u 3 hail marys & an our father b4 a bleeding statue will absolve your sin,rendering the blood of Jesus of no effect. Congratulations.
bella50008 3 weeks ago
@bella50008 Bella, your post only confirms and validates what my husband and I have discovered about evangelical Christians. You are not speaking by the spirit of our Lord. I have read some of your posts, and you come across as a very angry, bitter, and fleshly individual. You speak of wolves in sheep's clothing. Be careful that you do not become one of them.
colleen789685743 3 weeks ago 2
@colleen789685743..Madame, with all due respect, neither you nor obviously your husband have the least bit discernment regarding spiritual things,so I put absolutely no merit in your assessment.I come across angry because I am..heresy infuriates me.
Re:sheep in wolves clothing,I have no desire to be one of them. So I will stay at the foot of the cross and not give myself over to "another gospel".I can to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit - without the aid of bleeding satutes and misty demons.
bella50008 3 weeks ago
My husband and I returned to the RCC 4 years ago. We got tired of all of the backbiting, judging, critizing, and labeling that goes on in typical evangelical churches from the pulpit on down. We returned to the RCC and found peace of spirit. Seems to me that all evangelicals want to do is jump, clap, scream, sing, and attend Bible studies, and nothing more. In the 20 years that I was an evangelical, I can honestly say that I never saw Christ in any evangelical leader or church member.
colleen789685743 3 weeks ago
@colleen789685743 ..."In the 20 years that I was an evangelical, I can honestly say that I never saw Christ in any evangelical leader or church member."
The more important issue is: did they see Him in you?
bella50008 3 weeks ago
@bella50008 Yes, Bella, dear. I do believe that they saw Him in me. I have tried to live a yielded and crucified life before the Lord for the past 25 years. I was in the evangelical arena for 20 years, and I know what goes on in these congregations. By the way, have they seen Jesus in you?
colleen789685743 3 weeks ago
@colleen789685743 ... "Yes, Bella, dear. I do believe that they saw Him in me.... By the way, have they seen Jesus in you?
That would mean that from your pew YOU were the ONLY Christian there.Hmmm...I would say get over yourself but you might think me impertinent. No worries, God has a remnant that has not bowed to Baal.Speaking of bowing, are you back in the habit? Just checking.
And yes I humbly acknowledge that people do see Christ in me.You're looking at Him now, you just don't like Him.
bella50008 3 weeks ago
My family returned to the RCC because we were tired of many things in the evangelical churches. We were tired of money/power hungry preachers who used the Name of Christ in order to pursue their own feeble agendas and who thought nothing of mowing down anyone who got in their way. If you take a look at all of the hucksters, false teachers, false prophets, and charlatans floating around today, 99% of them are coming out of the evangelical churches. Go figure.
colleen789685743 3 weeks ago
Pastor Bob your ancestors were Catholics. Sola Scriptura is a recent trend.
22grena 3 weeks ago
@22grena ..Amazing.You catholics rant about being the ones who gave the world the bible (totally untrue) - then you launch a campaign against that very document you boast about. Why can't you see there is such idiotic lunacy to this reasoning. Your popes with puffed out chests says 'Here world we have compiled a book to teach you about Jesus, BUT, you must never see this as a dependable source for it is fallible...we are not fallible, but the book we compiled for you is fallible." STUPID!!!
bella50008 3 weeks ago
@bella50008 Catholics dont rant that is very much a protestant gift. The Catholic Church put the Bible together and decided what should and should not be in it. You may not like it but its a documented historical fact.
22grena 3 weeks ago
@bella50008 Answer me one question, my friend. What is the foundation of Truth?
22grena 3 weeks ago
Your does it say in the Bible, only the Bible. In fact the Bible says the opposite.
22grena 3 weeks ago
without the Catholic Church there could not ever be a Protestant Church...the church wasnt born in 1530....c'mon lets get serious...
krPeter2010 4 weeks ago
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In the New King James version of the Bible it clearly states: Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." Pretty clear here, you don't offer up to God money or your good works for the GIFT of his Son ! Among others, Catholics don't even know that this simple scripture exists in the Bible. So sad...
y2ktube 1 month ago
Its no trend!
AnthonyofPadua16 1 month ago
I have noticed that so many Protestant ''Christians'' are shallow, judgemental, can be very rude, insulting, degrading, ignorant arrogant and just overall hypcritical to a much great degree then Roman Catholics or Eastern Orthodox or any other major Christian denomination. I mean many protestants are even tolerating feminism into the church. Also they talk about the priests errors, but for every catholic preist that abuses kids, there are anywhere between 2 to 5 Protestant ministers that do.
xhemexx 1 month ago
Who has the authority to define what it means to be Christian? Who have been given the authority to teach and interpret the faith? If a protestant sect, which one? How can I know they posses the truth of the Christian message? What church did Christ establish? Can any protestant group claim they are that church? Did it vanish? If so when?
greglee20 3 months ago
The reason why many evangelicals are leaving to Rome or the Christian East because they realize that sola scriptura is not scriptural. It is a tradition of men. Thank God that they are coming back home, eaither to the Orthodox Catholic or Roman Catholic
greglee20 3 months ago
I feel that you have spurned me with your horned words so I shall say you have made your personal interpretation of the bible you believe that there is no oral teaching to recieve and that no church can be authoritative in this century so therefore if no teacher exist to teach the next generation for only the bible is left & you believe many people reading their bible can be wrong so if the is no teacher & the book can be misinterpreted neither of us are worthy of listening or talking
laffiteaumusic 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic "I feel that you have spurned me with your horned words so I shall say you have made your personal interpretation of the bible"
I'll assume these words were cowardly directed at me without hitting the reply icon so I could respond.
troysz 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic "you believe that there is no oral teaching to recieve"
What I believe is irrelevant what you have proven is.
You have failed to provide a list of the oral traditions GIVEN SPECIFICALLY BY JESUS AND/OR THE APOSTLES which we are to keep which were not recorded in the Bible."
Yet you claim that they exist. This is the problem.
"a list of the oral traditions GIVEN SPECIFICALLY BY JESUS AND/OR THE APOSTLES which we are to keep which were not recorded in the Bible."
troysz 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic "no church can be authoritative in this century"
This is a lie from you being that I made no such claim.
" if no teacher exist to teach the next generation for only the bible is left & you believe many people reading their bible can be wrong so if the is no teacher & the book can be misinterpreted neither of us are worthy of listening or talking"
You consistently show your ignorance......Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would teach us...that is the teacher!
troysz 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic People rejected God's word when Jesus, Moses and the apostles spoke directly to them.
Others rejected God's word when it was written. There have always been and will always be those who reject and/or twist God's words.
Paul taught that the natural man cannot understand the things of the Spirit because they are spiritually discerned.
The church was never the authority for doctrine the apostles were. The apostles taught the church what Jesus gave them not the other way around.
troysz 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic In fact the churches in the 1st century were often in doctrinal error and Jesus used the apostles to correct them either in person or by letters.
Read the Galatian epistle the church there was accepting a false gospel of law plus grace. If the church was the authority for doctrine how could this happen?
Yet Jesus had Paul write them a letter to correct this great error.
Read the letters to the 7 churches in Revelations of which many had heretical doctrine cont'd
troysz 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic cont'd like the doctrine of the Nicolatians. If the church was the authority for doctrine then how could some fall into such great error?
The apostles in person and written words were the authority for church doctrine and they are not here to teach us in person today but we have their and Jesus written words.
troysz 3 months ago
"the website I reference references all catholic teachings in the bible"
Another lie from satan.
You cannot find Catholic traditions in the Bible especially being that the church in the Bible is not the Catholic church and there were no popes in the 1st century.
Any website that claims this is simply lying and anyone who believes it is blind and deceived.
The Bible was written in the 1st century so it the best record of the true early church not writings from the 2nd century.
troysz 3 months ago
"all of the apostles were bishops & when 1 bishop dies the head bishop(head apostle)(pope) confirms the new bishop(apostle)"
More lies from satan.
Show were Paul or any apostle taught this. You cannot because they did not it is tradition of man from your sect.
Apostles were apostles not bishops as they taught.
The reason you use parentheses is because the words in them is not what the apostles taught but your sect's tradition.
troysz 3 months ago
"it was his final word that decided that Judas chair should be replaced"
Wrong again. It was scripture that decided that Judas' office should be replaced just as Peter said.
"For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take."
Judas was the only apostle succeeded and only because scripture had to be fulfilled which said, " his bishoprick let another take."
troysz 3 months ago
"Peter was the 1st Pope"
Another lie from satan.
Peter was not an apostles as there are no popes in apostolic tradition. Peter was an apostle not a pope.
The 1st century church under the leadership of the apostles called them apostles not popes.
The apostles called each other apostles not pope.
God's true people call the apostles like they themselves did and the church they led did, not popes.
troysz 3 months ago
The Bible clearly records the names of the apostles and the church according to apostolic tradition and the church's name was not and is not the Catholic church.
That is purely tradition of men not God.
troysz 3 months ago
for you comment on the bible not supporting the Catholic church I could give you a website that shows how the bible shows many catholic beliefs spread out. and for the apostles not calling it catholic church no but the people of the next generation did in 110AD we have a letter by a theological writter saying catholic church as if it was no big deal. and all of the apostles were bishops and clement in the bible was our 4th pope
laffiteaumusic 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic "for you comment on the bible not supporting the Catholic church I could give you a website that shows how the bible shows many catholic beliefs spread out."
Not interested. I have heard it all. There is no Catholic church in the Bible and you know that. If there was then you would not have to cite websites but rather you would be able to cite where in the Bible the church is called the Catholic church, where there are Popes mention....but you cannot
troysz 3 months ago
@troysz I'll concede that Pope & Catholic arn't written in the NT but they do come up for the names afterwards Peter was the 1st Pope & it was his final word that decided that Judas chair should be replaced all of the apostles were bishops & when 1 bishop dies the head bishop(head apostle)(pope) confirms the new bishop(apostle) the website I reference references all catholic teachings in the bible & it is very organized but I have yet to use it for it gives too many scripture 4 a utube comment
laffiteaumusic 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic "I'll concede that Pope & Catholic arn't written in the NT but they do come up for the names afterwards"
That is a lie from satan.
How do we know what Jesus', Paul, Peter, Rome, Israel's, etc, names were? Because of what they are scripture.
If someone told you that Mary the mother of Jesus name had changed to Betty in the 2nd century would you accept that? NO! you would not unless you were a fool.
troysz 3 months ago
@troysz I didn't say that the name was changed it was created & so what is the name of God's church the group of believers that all taught the same exact things that the apostles taught. no denomination goes as far back as the catholic denomination we are the only church that may possibly have the apostolic sucsession that was shown in Acts 1. How can we become the teachers with out being taught by the teachers it is hard to accept that all denominations try to interpret the bible & r different
laffiteaumusic 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic "I didn't say that the name was changed it was created"
Stop being foolish that is the same thing. If the church's name in the 1st century was not the Catholic church and you claim it was created later in the 2nd century then it was changed.
The point is that the apostles did not teach to call the church the Catholic church so it is not apostolic tradition.
The church was commanded to keep the traditions taught by the apostles not other men.
troysz 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic "no denomination goes as far back as the catholic denomination we are the only church that may possibly have the apostolic sucsession that was shown in Acts 1."
There is no apostle succession shown is Acts 1 except the fulfillment of scripture concerning Judas' office being replaced. It did not say the same about any other apostle.
troysz 3 months ago
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@laffiteaumusic "How can we become the teachers with out being taught by the teachers"
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would teach us all things.
You may not believe this but I do and it has taught me, it has opened my eyes to many things.
Paul wrote that we should keep the traditions that had been taught to the church then in the 1st century he did not say to make up new ones as your Catholic sect does.
troysz 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic Paul also said that his letters should be considered as authoritative as his oral teaching. We cannot receive oral teaching from the apostles since they are not on the earth but we yet have their written teaching and the apostles' teaching is the highest authority to the church since they and only they received their teachings directly from Jesus to give to the church.
troysz 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic What the apostles taught was so authoritative that Paul said not even the apostles themselves, an angel from heaven, or any other man (including bishops) could add to it...or they were accursed.
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:7,8
troysz 3 months ago
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@laffiteaumusic "for the apostles not calling it catholic church no but the people of the next generation did in 110AD"
The church was established in the 1st century not the second century. In 2 Thess 2:15 the apostle Paul wrote that we were to "hold to and stand fast in the traditions which they had been taught by the apostles orally and in letters.
troysz 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic cont'd....."have been taught" is past tense not future. Paul did not say hold to and standfast to traditions that you will be taught after we the apostle die from others.
traditions you have been taught means that the Thessalonian church had already been taught the traditions Paul spoke of. Since Thess was written between 51-52AD the apostles church traditions had already been established in the 1st half of the 1st century.
troysz 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic "we have a letter by a theological writter saying catholic church as if it was no big deal."
No letter by any writer can add to the traditions that Paul said the church had already been taught in the 1st century. Only apostles were authorized by Jesus to establish church tradition. Not even Timothy could establish church tradition but rather he was to continue in what the apostles taught him and the church.
troysz 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic "all of the apostles were bishops and clement in the bible was our 4th pope"
Jesus appointed the apostles himself making there office unique and above bishops who were appointed by men of God.
There is no office of Pope in the traditions which Paul spoke of when he wrote "which you have been taught".
There were and are no popes in Christ church only in satan's
troysz 3 months ago
The truth is that being protestant isn't enough. It's not music and karaoke and little things its the protestant church as a whole. It's nonexistent there is no backbone or truth that is being taught. Thousands of churches that disagree on doctrine can't be true. Protestants say that the holy spirit guides their interpretation then why don't you agree with one another. That's why protestants are headed to Rome.
bbgiraffes 3 months ago
The Catholic church decided what books the Bible comprised but the reformers decided to edit it and remove seven books. So much for Sola Scriptura.
22grena 3 months ago
what 'truth that we had with faithful evangelicals?' What about the truth we had as Catholics from the time of the Apostles? Why go back only to the 16th Century? Go beyond... reform has always been with us! Look at Francis of Assisi. Yet he did not hate the Church, he reformed through love.
fifalacious 4 months ago
oh man @CATHOLICFORLIFE2000 @troysz when you (not talking to either of you specifically)know the truth(not capitalized for a reason) for you've converted to another religion or denomination you'll have a wealth of knowledge on why you chose that path. but all believe they know the truth so if we don't realize that when we write we must sound humble & stern to be 1 or the other will not do. today's mass 9-16-11 is fitting for us to learn how to teach the Word & it was beautiful nondenominational
laffiteaumusic 4 months ago
@laffiteaumusic what is you point bro?
CATHOLICFORLIFE2000 3 months ago
@CATHOLICFORLIFE2000 sorry but the talk was becoming too heated and sometimes less truth gets through in heated discussion. although you made very good points.
laffiteaumusic 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic "all believe they know the truth"
That includes you (and I am talking specifically to you).
I do not think I know the truth I do know the truth. The truth is in Jesus Christ not in the Catholic church especially since neither Jesus or the apostles named the church Catholic.
I am not interested in how you think I should write or sound. You post as you choose and be assured that regardless of what you think I will continue to do the same.
troysz 3 months ago
@troysz the truth is scary have you ever watched the Journey Home it is a program that brings converts to the church on live and it has be running for 15 years and the majority of guests are ministers of every denomination that say as they went into the bible they became catholic. Proverbs 14:12 . all denominations were set up by man except the eastern and western catholic church. In inda the apostle thomas help set up that catholic church and John for many in russia. research your history
laffiteaumusic 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic "the majority of guests are ministers of every denomination that say as they went into the bible they became catholic. "
No one can become Catholic by reading the Bible because the church in the Bible is not called the Catholic church by either Jesus or the apostles. Also there are no Popes, nuns, purgatory, praying to believers gone to heaven, etc anywhere in the Bible.
The Catholic gospel is not the one preached by the apostles and anyone who accepts is blind and lost.
troysz 3 months ago
@troysz it is sad you are calling me a liar of sorts for I did listen to many testimonies and the critical decision for a protestent minister would be the church adhering to the bible and you say that I am lying. how about this tell me what denomination you are closest to theologically and I can give you a convert minister to catholicism
laffiteaumusic 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic "it is sad you are calling me a liar of sorts"
It is sad that you just lied because I did not call you a liar.
"how about this tell me what denomination you are closest to theologically"
I am not close to any denomination theologically. Also id the whole world converted to Catholicism it would mean nothing to me other than they are all blind and deceived.
Only a blind person would think that there is any importance in people converting to man made sects
troysz 3 months ago
@troysz "No one can become Catholic by reading the Bible because the church in the Bible is not called the Catholic church by either Jesus or the apostles. Also there are no Popes, nuns, purgatory, praying to believers gone to heaven, etc anywhere in the Bible." So by this you are saying that these people that focus the most on scripture were blind all of them these bible sola scriptura evangelicals were blind and did not base much of their conversion on the bible.that is what I meant by lieing
laffiteaumusic 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic " all denominations were set up by man except the eastern and western catholic church."
The Catholic sect is the mother of all denominations being the 1st to take a name not given to the church by either Jesus or the apostles to distinguish it self from what it considered heretical churches.
You can deluded yourself all you wish but there is no Catholic church in the Bible which is why your sect trust in traditions of men rather than God's word.
troysz 3 months ago
@laffiteaumusic "research your history"
I read the Didache at age 8. By age 11 I had read the catechism of the Catholic church and the writings of the "early church fathers" (though the true early church fathers are the apostles). I have thoroughly studied history.
Our faith is to be based upon God's word not history other than the history in his word. The OT and the NT are the best historical record of God's revelation to man through those he chose.
troysz 3 months ago
@mpenaco [1Mary's titles] most of Mary's titles come from apparitions so if you want to really know why she gets the name look at the apparition. My fiancee read a book on marian apparitions but got bored because Mary usually does the same thing each time. Pray to me so that I may help, Come to Jesus for He is God; some miracles happen then hundreds sometimes thousands of people come to believe in Jesus. Jesus love for her so He lets her be an Evangelical missionary hundreds of times
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic Mary's titles come mostly from apparitions, not from Scripture. And we do not know where those apparitions come from. For the RCC to assume that those apparitions come from God is a dangerous thing to do. Remember, Satan is a master deceiver who can transform himself as an angel of light. He could very well be the author of those apparitions for the purpose of deceiving the people.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco [Responses to Family prayers] I saw a video & have read some scripture so when I find it I will send that to you as well with the same title but I don't have that with me on hand I have been learning my faith in the last 4 years as I did not grow up in a catholic home so I am not talented at whipping out the scripture I can paraphase it though but I wish for you to be able to read it so I will send that to you in due time. Please be patient with me brother
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@mpenaco [2Statues] God doesn't let science know for sure when He wants people to have faith(if you want more on this ask separately for I am scientific) so statues serve as a reminder because would we be happy with children that look up to Jesus but also to a doctor saint if they should be a doctor or (my fav) St. Louis King of France (only saint that ruled a nation) or how about they look up to our failing examples like George Bush & Bill Clinton or Theodore Roosevelt(he was bad historically)
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic The problem with your statues is they don't even come close to the real thing. For instance this is how the Bible describes Jesus: "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not." (Is.53:2-3).
Yet your church's statues and images of Jesus portray a good-looking, attractive young man totally different from the Jesus of the Bible.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco I personally think Jesus doesn't look good in the statues. for Mary's titles it takes 10-40yrs usually for an apparition to be approved & many are not approved but they check to see if she teaches any contradictory things b/c that would make it a false apparition. to be fair Mary is not the only one that is considered as sinless but they all fail in comparison to Jesus's actions for us. I understand why you think all people should not be called sinless except Jesus.
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic Was the Fatima apparition approved?
To say that Mary or any human being other than Jesus is sinless is to make St. Paul, and St. John liars. The Bible would then be considered to contain false statements, like those professed by the psalmist in Psalm 51:5.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco [1Statues] is the Abraham Lincoln monument sinful for it is a large statue, did God forbid artist to make a living when he said no engraven images, Of course not.Catholicism will use art & display saints, Mary, & heavenly depictions so that others might come to understand whom they are praying to up in heaven. the statue itself holds no power other than what God may try to do through it like Crying Jesus statues which still happen & science has done MRIs to look for tampering but . . .
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic Your church wants you to worship God according to its own terms. Unfortunately such terms contradict Scripture. God is a spirit and those who worship him do so in spriit and in truth. Spirit and truth do not reside in stone images. God resides with his people and his laws are written in their hearts. God's people do not need any medium or physical image to aid in worship.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco (responses to statues) we don't need statues but what displays the faith for us to see. The early church was filled with illeteracy & for visual learners (which some people learn better by sight) to see what those people did is helpful. yep we must make sure we worship him in spirit as well as what we do with our bodies for we are suppose to be wittnesses to others of what Christ is like.
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic The Abraham Lincoln monument is not sinful because we do not see it as an object of worship. We don't bow down or kneel in front of it. We do not ask Lincoln for mercy, protection and intercession. But what we do in front of Mary's image is idolatrous worship which God hates.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco haha typo you don't kneel b4 statues. We don't worship the actual statues like the israelites worshipped a golden cafe statue. the statue has no power "we believe" only the saint in heaven can pray for us for like I can pray for sick friends. What I was trying to make a point of is usually when people pray to God they look @ a cross on the wall(Crucifix if your catholic) or a picture. & art isn't evil. I am about to stop commenting. please speak your mind brother I wish to listen
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic If images of and pictures are acceptalbe practices in worship, what then did God mean by this command:
“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; (Ex. 20:4-5)
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco he command moses to make the arc of the covenant which has two sculptures of angels on top of it due to Gods request & I would rather you talk to a knowledgable jew or a faithful convert from judaism to magnify what the arc of the covenant meant to them. all I will say is that part of the reason the temple was so important was the arc being there & having been there after the arc had been stolen in 300 BC. if u r done commenting I'd like for us both to have our last goodbye comment soon
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic So do you think God's command in Exodus 20:4-5 is still valid for the church today?
Since you are leaving, that would be my last comment for you. It was nice sharing the word of God with you. Have a pleasant and safe journey.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco I wanted to leave for I came to acknowledge certain truths. We both believe scripture supports our position but I am not being fair for I know you want scripture reference & I can only paraphrase so I will go back to the apologetics teachers (like Scott Hahn & Tim Staples)& learn to give scripture reference like they do. I will slowly give you the scriptures. I'm not a great teacher but I thank you for our discussion. Peace & God's Blessings Be With You My Brother In Christ.
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@mpenaco [2] to God in the Holy Trinity but our Love of neighbor will makes us want to pray for the sinful people on earth for we see their weakness. God wants us to act & not to just stand their. We will be blessed with the highest exchange of love God's Love.We will want that for others as well. Now I will define although we consider Mary sinless that does not make her god, if it were poker she would only have 2 chips & God has the rest & she knows God gave her the chips she has now.
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic Revelation 5:2-4 has this to say: "And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside."
If Mary was sinless, then this passage would be wrong. But we know what John saw was the truth from God so Mary, no doubt, was sinful.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco once again she was sinless but that does not mean she is that great. God died for us on the cross. when you say stuff like that I say you are elevating her to Godly status. We don't do that & I would ask you to stop This is a big defernce between sinless woman verses God's Son Jesus that Died for ALL SINS & IS SINLESS FOR ALL ETERNITY. I put thing in cabs based on importants so please don't think I am yelling but look at it like a sign of reverence
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic But the Bible says only Jesus was sinless. So for you to say that Mary was sinless definitely puts her on the level of Jesus because no one else has reached that level of purity other than God himself. So your statement "she was sinless but that does not mean she is that great" does not make any sense at all.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco would you stop comparing Mary to God(WE DONT WORSHIP HER it is called veneration a word almost lost to history) of course she Rejoices she is humble like she should be and without Jesus she can find no rest, the gates of heaven would not be opened to anyone. On Romans I heard a speaker that gave perfect refutation using the Bible alone so I will hand that and another youtube video to you. Do you know anything about Marys parents or apostles apprentices they are in catholic history
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic You say you don't worship Mary but your actions speak differently. While God commanded not to make graven images for worship, the RCC promotes the making of all kinds of stone images of Mary and other saints in complete defiance of this command. While God commanded his people not to bow down to any stone image or worship them, Catholics bow down and kneel to stone images of Mary. They call to her for mercy, protection and intercession -- things only God can give.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco [1] We believe in a family of God. The eldest Brother (as wise as the Father more or less) all look up to Him for He dies for us and you have elder brothers, sisters, and mother that you look up to & will praise(not worship) them for what they have done & ask them to pray for you when you are in need. I have heard both a Jew & a priest say that prayer means to connect or spiritually talk. Our love for others will be perfected when we get to heaven & we will worship, praise, pray . . .
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic We pray for our brothers who are alive so that God in his mercy might heal them of any illness or grant them their wish or get them to repent of sinful acts. But the dead cannot repent, do not get sick and do not have wishes or prayers that God can fulfill. So our prayers for the dead accomplishes nothing. And the belief that they can intercede for us goes against what the Psalmist proclaims: "The dead do not praise the LORD, nor do any who go down into silence." Ps.115:17
mpenaco 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic Connecting with the spirits of the dead is possible but is a practice in occultism which God warns his people not to do (Lev. 19:31). But the RCC defies this command of God by promoting the belief that the spirit of Mary and other saints maybe contacted for favors such as mercy, protection and intercession with God. God will not be pleased.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco Im assuming youre not as ignorant as this comment seems . But just to clarify, just because someone kneels at a statue does NOT mean they are worshiping it. I may kneel at a statue but I only worship God. The statue is just a focus or a sign post of a place to stop and show reverence.
mickey30981 1 month ago
@mickey30981 Bowing down to a statue is specifically forbidden by God. He made no qualification or exception in his command against bowing to graven images for the purpose of worship. Mary's images and those of other saints are made for worship and not for anything else so this practice falls squarely under and violates God's express command against idol worship.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco Yeah right, so the Israelites who bowed down to the Ark of the Covenant was really worshipping the CHERUB STATUES on top of it.
aelissa39 1 month ago
@mpenaco (This should follow the comment beginning "Im assumuming youre not.." Of course I worship anywhere, but Jesus tells us to pray for our "daily bread" Hes not just asking us to pray for nutrition, but also petitions to grant us opportunies for spiritual nourishment along the path of each day, to be reminded to keep God in our hearts. Statues are just but one small opportunity for just that. And, no we dont worship Mary or her statues.The bible tells us to call blessed. do you?
mickey30981 1 month ago
@mickey30981 Catholics do not just worship Mary. They put her above God himself by proclaiming that when God closes the door Mary opens a window. The implication is unmistakeable! God may deny a sinner entry into heaven but through Mary's immaculate heart, the sinner still manages to sneak in. Mary therefore has more pity and mercy on the sinners than God the Father himself. This is nothing short of blasphemy.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@laffiteaumusic Do I know anything about Mary's parents? What I know is that they were sinners like you and and me. They, like everyone of us, inherited the sin of Adam. Mary, their daughter was not exempt from this inherited sin according to Scripture. But your church teaches, contrary to Scripture, that Mary did not inherit Adam's sin, making her equal to Jesus. Your church is teaching a heresy.
mpenaco 5 months ago
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@mpenaco . .(2) . if you are the all powerful God would you want your child to be having to honor some sinful women or would you have her be pure while she do no miracles and she did not save humanity she still held Jesus knowing that she could be stoned to death for having a child not of Joseph's loins I wish our women would consider that when they go to abort their children
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic Part 1/2: God's ways are always perfect. We, on the other hand are imperfect, sinful and limited in understanding. We may see God's action weird or wrong but that's not because God made a mistake but simply because we fail to understand fully God's plans. So when God used a sinner Mary to be the mother of Jesus, he did so to accomplish his great plan of salvation. Mary's sinfulness was never an obstacle to that plan. For her obedience, Mary is counted as part of God's children.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic Part 2/2: But God's use of Mary did not make her queen or immaculate or mediatrix or co-redemptrix or gate of heaven or anything else besides being the earthly mother of our savior. Jesus made it clear that in heaven, his mother, brother and sister are those who do the will of the Father. Mary did the Father's will and she too will be recognized as Jesus' mother.
mpenaco 5 months ago
I have many comments but I always try to see both sides please tell me more about this st. Bernard like who canonized him in what time period but most importantly what passage & what is his whole name. still yes the website I gave gives reference to purgatory and if you so wish I could send you somethings on Mary w/ better scripture reference. Yes I do support what the Catholic Church is doing but none of that is being reported heavily. All Christians Seek Truth. God Bless
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
A house built on sand cannot stand forever, protestantism is crumbling.
gespb32 5 months ago
A person who believes that the Bible is the word of God is bound to encounter problems with Catholic doctrines about Mary, the Purgatory and Papal Infallibility whether or not he believes in Sola Scriptura. The Bible contains clear testimonies that go against these Catholic teachings and it is impossible to reconcile them without adding artificial exceptions to what the Bible declares.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco scripturecatholic . com catholicism is easily found in the bible but protestant reformation brought a wave of people that chose to interpret the Bible themselves. The saddest sight was a video I saw on Alpha & Omega(denomination) saying Calvinists are not christians. I've seen many denominations say the other is not christian but all say Sola Scriptura. If we are the body then Why are we not united in belief, what people pausibly have authority based down to them? God Bless U Brother
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic Part 1/2: The only part of your comment I take exception with is your statement "catholicism is easily found in the bible". And that's because I find Catholic doctrines on Mary, papal infallibility and the purgatory going against the teachings of Scripture. For instance, where the Bible says "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom 3:23), Catholicism promotes Mary as being sinless.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic Part 2/2: Where the Bible proclaims that through the blood of Christ our sins are washed away, Catholicism teaches purgatory which promotes that though God has forgiven our sins, we may still have unconfessed sins making us unworthy of heaven, hence the need for a place of cleansing called purgatory. This raises an important question: Is the blood of Christ not sufficient to wash away all kinds of sins in us? Is purgatory more powerful than Christ's sacrifice to remove sins?
mpenaco 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic Part 1/2: Is the RCC united? Do you agree with the RCC's handling of the child abuse cases? Are all of your saints agreed that Mary was sinless? Wasn't the Eastern Orthodox Church part of the RCC before? Let me quote a statement from St. Bernard to show you that even canonized saints do not beleive in one of your church's most cherished doctrine: the immaculate conception indicating not unity but disunity in belief:
mpenaco 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic Part 2/2: St. Bernard: "For this reason, our astonishment is not small in seeing that some of you are believed to be able to introduce a new feast that is unknown to the rite of the Church that cannot be approved by reason, that is condemned by the ancient traditions, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception."
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco I have many comments but I always try to see both sides please tell me more about this st. Bernard like who canonized him in what time period but most importantly what passage & what is his whole name. still yes the website I gave gives reference to purgatory and if you so wish I could send you somethings on Mary w/ better scripture reference. Yes I do support what the Catholic Church is doing but none of that is being reported heavily. All Christians Seek Truth. God Bless
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic The details about who St. Bernard was and who canonized him are historical facts that you can research at your leisure. The fact that being a saint, he wrote those words says a lot about the claim to unity within the RCC. So you think the Marian doctrines are Biblical? Please show me how Rom. 3:10, 3:23, 1 Cor. 15:22 and Psalm 51:5 reconcile with the doctrine that Mary was sinless.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco personally I'm not the best at explaining marian doctorine so I'll say you should ask Tim Staples for he is the best person I know on aspects of catholicism in scripture. Depending on the age we can still consider him a saint for st. Jerome made a comment that supports protestants on the "apocrypha" but he said it b4 the bishops listed the books in the bible & apocryphal books back in 397. saints are people they can be wrong on issues. as a majority there was belief in this doctrine
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic I absolutely agree with you that saints are people who can be wrong on issues. The truth is, any doctrine or teaching that comes from any person can be wrong. As for me, the only way we can be sure that a certain teaching or practice is the truth is by comparing it with Scripture with is the word of God. Just because it is the majority view does not guarantee a doctrine's truthfulness. Scripture must be our standard against which all kinds of teaching are to be compared.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco But how would scripture be compiled if not for them being the descendents of (apprentice of apprentice, etc.) the apostles. there were councils that gathered to put together in bible in the 300s but in the bible it says hold to the traditions we taught you either by by word of mouth or by letter. said by paul I will get the verse later but what if there were teachings that developed that aren't talked like holy trinity, testament, antichrist. how much words did jesus say in 3yrs Brother
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic The problem with the RCC traditions is that many of them contradict the teachings of the Bible. For example while the Bible says "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me"(Ps. 51:5) the RCC proclaims Mary as sinless. The claim that the RCC traditions also come from the apostles becomes highly questionable because of contradictions which should not exist if they come from the same source as the Bible`s.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco but if jesus gets his flesh from Mary is Jesus sinful or could God chose to honor his future mother with a sinless birth but it is still up to her to work hard to keep it that way. and I bet she was thankful that she no longer had to fear for after Jesus died for us she could rest in the Lord and I know that she can be forgiven. We acknowledge Jesus as the new Adam but could that make Mary the new Eve Both born without sin although I wish not to elevate her to be equal to Jesus but. . .
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic St. Augustine's statement addresses your question:
Augustine Bishop of Hippo: "He, Christ, alone being made a man but remaining God never had any sin nor did He take on flesh of sin, though He took flesh of the sin of His mother."
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco but ask any jew the original sin is passed on therefore he would be sinful. Sadly you must acknowledge that all of his flesh came from his mother like all of Eves flesh came from Adam. that is why Jesus refers to his mother as woman like adam refers to eve as woman for they are bone of each others bone(there jesus is not disrespecting her but honoring her in her purity) for if otherwise he wouldn't be honoring his mother & he would be sinning if interpreted differently
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic You can argue all you want that Mary was conceived and born without sin but that does not change the truth of Scripture that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"(Rom. 3:23), and "There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.” (Rom. 3:10-12). Paul made absolutely no exceptions.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic Mary herself testifies to her being sinful when she said "and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior." (Luke 1:47).
mpenaco 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic You compare Mary to Jesus but such a comparison is not valid for obvious reasons. We know that Jesus is God while Mary was human. Comparing Mary to Jesus is like comparing hell to heaven, imperfection to perfection, corruptible to incorruptible. The truth is, God uses sinners to accomplish his plan for us. Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Paul, Peter, John --- all of them were sinners but God used them mightily for his own purpose. Mary was no exception.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco God does use sinners to do his work like Popes, saints,and apostles down the years. but if marry was born sinful then Jesus who get all his humanity from his mother would then have the sinful aspect of the flesh that his mother gives. otherwise God would have had to appear and be born from a floating point. I can compare Mary to Jesus but I clarified last time it is God that gave her those graces & she is not God but His humble handmaiden who submitted to His will. she raised the Child
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic Part 1/2: The Bible has declared in no uncertain terms that Jesus was without sin. That declaration is never made on Mary. Your belief that Mary was without sin is purely by implication that being the mother of Jesus, she must be sinless inorder to keep Jesus sinless. But that is pure human logic which is faulty. Using your own reasoning, Mary`s mother must be sinless as well to keep Mary sinless.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco You are wrong about why mary is sinless. Youre correct that if that were the reason , the logical conclusion is that Marys entire lineage would have to be without sit. Mary is without sin because God knew was predestined to be the Mother of God,and it was Gods singular gift to her for her complete acent of her will...she was the first Christian. this was taught by the earliest Church Fathers and accepted from that time. It doesnt need to be in the bible alone.
mickey30981 1 month ago
@mickey30981The bible doesnt not teach the bible alone. The bible teaches that the Church is the pillar and bulwark of truth, and we called to keep the "traditions" that are taught by the apostles. Marys Immaculate Conception is this Church Tradition. We follow Mary becuase shes the best example of a Christian, and as a holy mother, she wants nothing more than to lead us to her Son. So we ask
God for Mary to be model.This is not worship.You ask your friends and family to pray 4 u.
mickey30981 1 month ago
@mickey30981 So you should also ask God to let Mary pray for us to develop a closer and closer personal relationship with her son, Jesus Christ. I have infinite more trust in the power of Marys intersession over any person on earth or in heaven. If you ask a friend or relative for prayer, why not the mother of our Lord, if you're not going to ask God directly anyway??
mickey30981 1 month ago
@mickey30981 Why not pray to God directly? In The Lord's Prayer which Jesus gave to his disciples, did Jesus include any instruction to call a saint to help in our prayers? Did Jesus call to any saint in heaven in his priestly prayer in John 17? When you call Mary in your prayer, can she hear you? Is she omniscient like God? You can pray to God in silence and you know God hears your prayers. Is it the same when you call to Mary? How do we know that?
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco Yes, the people in heaven can hear your prayers, and they're praying with you, and their prayers have [better] effects.
Revelation 8:4
"And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand."
And you know what happens after that. "Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake."
aelissa39 1 month ago
And why better effects? Because they are with God already. Their wishes and prayers match God's will better than ours do (because we are still sinful). So they know what pleases God and will do accordingly.
Did Jesus include any instruction to call a saint to help in our prayers? Not specifically to a saint, but He instructed us to pray for each other. Now the Christian fellowship does not end with death. Those who are with God, are still living, and able to pray and worship God just like us.
aelissa39 1 month ago
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@aelissa39 .."And why better effects? Because they are with God already. Their wishes and prayers match God's will better than ours do (because we are still sinful). So they know what pleases God and will do accordingly."
Are you serious.God never told us to pray to the dead.It is the Holy Spirit that Jesus promised He would send after His ascension to live in us,help us to pray,intercede for us, guide us into all truth.This catholic heresy renders Him useless and unemployed. Demonic lies.
bella50008 1 month ago
@mickey30981 Traditions are the stumbling block of the pharisees who thought they were the true church of God but Jesus condemned their traditions as mere traditions of men and their church as synagogue of Satan. So don't assume that because it is the tradition of your church that it is from God.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco And don't you know that the Jewish traditions the Pharisees followed came from God? Read your Old Testament, my friend!
What Jesus condemned was the act of doing traditions without really understanding the meaning of it all (doing traditions for the sake of doing traditions). Jesus never condemned ALL traditions. He respected those! He celebrated the Passover, attended the wedding, and everything.
aelissa39 1 month ago
@mickey30981 The Bible does not teach Bible alone but it does teach that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" so if you believe the Bible is the word of God then you have to abandon the belief that any human was conceived, born and lived without sin because the Bible clearly does not support it.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco When we use the word "all" it does not necessarily mean "each and every one". Jesus, as a man, did not sin. Children below the age of reason also do not sin.
Mary's immaculate conception is largely due to salvation by Jesus. Mary, too, required a Saviour. Like all other descendants of Adam, she was subject to the necessity of contracting original sin. HOWEVER, a person can be saved by two means: by being reached down after he has fallen, OR by being prevented from falling. ...
aelissa39 1 month ago
...Mary's case is obviously the latter. By receiving Christ’s grace at her conception, she had His grace applied to her before she was able to become mired in original sin and its stain.
Being immaculate, or not sinful does not mean contesting God. Adam and Eve and all the angels were also created without sin, remember? Yet they were still not equal to God. On the contrary, being immaculate is a grace, a proof of God's power. So yeah, of course someone can live without sin, if God wills it.
aelissa39 1 month ago
@aelissa39 ... Jesus was the ONLY human who did not sin. This doctrine of immaculate conception and sinlessness of mary is a lie and heresy perpetuated by the rcc. A person is saved only ONE way thru the blood of Jesus Christ. It is amazing how you people just make up lies to reinforce other lies and justify your idolatry.
bella50008 1 month ago
@bella50008 Of course a person is saved only through Christ's sacrifice. But it does not only happen in a linear manner, i.e. born, then sin, then repent, then receive Jesus, then get baptized, then saved... Because Christ is, you surely agree, an Almighty Savior. He can save someone even before they are born. He can even save people who, according to human understanding, are dead, but are NOT dead to God, like the old prophets Abraham, Moses, Elijah...
aelissa39 1 month ago
@bella50008 Your faith is based on Hate.
22grena 3 weeks ago
@22grena ..Hatred of sin ..mine the most.
bella50008 3 weeks ago
@bella50008 No you hate the True church because of your misconceptions and false doctine.
22grena 3 weeks ago
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@22grena ..."No you hate the True church because of your misconceptions and false doctine."
Oh no, you do not want to go there. You know the cc is rife with false doctrines, deleting scriptures, pagan and idol worship. Please spare yourself.
bella50008 3 weeks ago
@mickey30981 In heaven, Jesus' mother is not Mary. He said so himself:
“Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Mat. 12:48-50
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco Thankfully, Jesus did not say that because He wanted to belittle His mother. Otherwise He would've violated one of the commandments to "honor your father and mother". >gasp!<
One of Jesus's missions was to undo and rebuilt human relationships. Thanks to Him, our relationships to each other now are not merely biological, but also spiritual. So even though you are not a member of my biological family, I can still say that you are my family too, in God.
aelissa39 1 month ago
In this passage, we see that Jesus did not want that JUST BECAUSE Mary is His mother, she could be treated in a special way. No. What He wanted was, if Mary was ever given any special treatment, that's because she was a GOOD DISCIPLE, one who "does the will of the Father in heaven". He was also saying that just because other people were not His family members, does not mean they were less precious or less important.
This also explains a similar passage in Luke 11:27.
aelissa39 1 month ago
@laffiteaumusic Part 2/2: Then Mary`s grandma and great grandma must be immaculate also otherwise any sin would be passed on to Mary. That means Adam and Eve must be free from sin to keep Mary from inheriting their original sin. I hope you see the absurdity of this belief in the sinlessness of Mary.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic The RCC`s view of Mary is totally different from how Jesus`sees Mary. Listen to this:
"A crowd was sitting around him, and they told him, "Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you." "Who are my mother and my brothers?" he asked. Then he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother." (Mk. 3:32-35)
Jesus`mother is not Mary but anyone who do God`s will.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco so are you trying to say that she didn't do Gods will & that once again he is not honoring his mother in saying this. she raised a new born infant a 1yr old, 2 yr old, etc. she did Gods will in how she served as a mother to Jesus. it is not as if Jesus had a bad childhood & she was bad. What he says gives honor to not just his mother but also all mothers that seek to raise their children in an earnest attempt to raise children of God.
laffiteaumusic 5 months ago
@laffiteaumusic The biblical way of honoring Mary is to obey what his son Jesus commanded. She said this herself when she uttered these words at the wedding in Cana: "His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you." (John 2:5). Is the RCC following what Mary said? Jesus never commanded his disciples to honor Mary as immaculate, sinless, gate of heaven, queen of heaven, mediatrix and co-redemptrix. These are all RCC-made teachings. The RCC failed to honor Mary's simple wish.
mpenaco 5 months ago
@mpenaco Wrong again! All those titles reflect our honor to have a sprititual mother that teaches us to do Christs will. We love mary because she teaches us how to do whatever Christ asks. She never fails to lead us to Christ! You said it just right - she tells us to be followers of christ.You dont even know what those titles mean because you look at them from your anti catholic lense, but they all, in essence, refer to the bibilcal call to honor Christs mother for her obedience.
mickey30981 1 month ago
@mickey30981 We honor Mary by obeying her son's commands, not by giving her divine titles. The truth is, there is no queen in heaven. In the Book of Jeremiah, God's people tried to give honor to the queen of heaven but God punished them for such practice. There is no queen in heaven my friend. The RCC's teachings about Mary do not please God at all.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco Mary is called "Queen" because she is the mother of a King (Jesus). The queenship of Mary comes from Jesus Himself, and it's not because she is Jesus's / God's wife, but because she is Jesus's mother. So she's the QUEEN MOTHER. There's no denying in that.
Now does a queen mother have bigger, higher power than her son, the king? No. Final decision is on the king's hand. But a queen mother is closer to her son and understand him better than any other people...
aelissa39 1 month ago
...so the queen mother can provide maybe some inputs, to the king. And yes, the king will listen. In this case, Mary's "inputs" is her prayers.
Obeying her son's commands? What about one of Jesus's last commands: "Behold, your mother" before giving Mary to His beloved disciple? Aren't we all Jesus's beloved disciples? This is what John meant by not including his own name in this verse.
Of course praying directly to God is great. But it never hurts to have other supporters along your track.
aelissa39 1 month ago
@aelissa39 .. Mary is no queen mother. And no one understands Jesus better than His Father and the Holy Spirit. If you knew God you'd understand that.
bella50008 1 month ago
@bella50008 I never said Mary understands Jesus the best. No human can understand God 100%. But Mary understands with her faith, with her total reliance to God's will. This trait is obviously not unique to Mary, we can all do this and receive some divine enlightenment, if that's what God wants. What makes Mary different is that she's "full of grace". No other person, in the Bible, in history, has or will receive a blessing higher than that bestowed to Mary by God Himself.
aelissa39 1 month ago