I love to watch this video over and over again...great melodc context in shuffle 5/4....Zakir Ji is amazing as usual...monster playing but a little low on the mix which dissapoints me a bit.....be it any time signature, he plays it with ease...Dennis chambers is amazing here too....nice chops...but he misses the 1 at around 7.45 ....RIP Elvin Jones
@adishredder Every musician can miss a one count,as I've noticed.Most fans don't as long as you pick it up right away.A bit faster that the "After The Rain" trib. w/Elvin Jones CD.Caught Elvin's "Jazz Machine" Here in MPLS. in 2002.Miss Elvin,too!
fark, everyone needs to realise before they can criticise, how hard this shit is to play.
and tits their music not yours so shut you fuckin mouths, enjoy prodigy's playing what they beleive to be natural music. just cause its a few eschalons above most of ours.
It is funny that Johnny continually resorts BACK to electric. He is without a doubt an acoustic player. There are very few masters (if any) of both instruments. Not to say that he wasn't shredding electric here but, of course, his acoustic playing is unparalleled.
He's an electric guitar player. In technique, in discipline, he's an electric guitar player. He oftentimes says so. He usually adds "but I love acoustic guitar."
He says something to that effect in a guitar trio interview
I know John well. I have since '73. I've seen him play around 70 times. He and his bass player stays with me when they come thru. He's an acoustic player. His electric playing always seems forced. His acoustic playing is clean and natural. After seeing 31 Shakti and Return to Shakti shows and 47 Trio shows and several of the last 9 electric tours, playing with him several times along with owning every recording; I can say with a bit of authority that he is surely an acoustic player/composer.
Wow. That's awesome, and I'm jealous. I've never gotten to see him play, I'm afraid :- (
Still, I wouldn't call his electric playing "forced," the guy changed the way you're allowed to play an electric guitar. Granted, I haven't seen him nearly as much as you have, but you at least have to allow that the stuff he did with Mahavishnu was really good.
Though I suppose that my favorite album is My Goal's Beyond, which is an acoustic album
Maybe "forced" wasn't the correct word. English is such a linear and obsolete slave's language... Anyway; yes his acoustic playing (and more importantly compositional level/ability) is ecstatic... It is Shakti in every sense of the definition of the word.
His electric playing is innovative and virtuosic at best.
You should check out all the Shakti & Return to Shakti stuff if you have not heard the complete recordings.
Yes, A Handful of Beauty is one of the finest pieces of music ever recorded, in my opinion. Haven't gotten around to all of the Remember Shakti stuff, I really need to get Saturday Night in Bombay
I must have missed the fact that he had an electric in his hand during the 20 something Return Shakti shows I saw from the front row... ;-)
Not to be a smart ass but I clearly said that after seeing and listening to what I have; his acoustic playing/composition is far superior to his electric.
Although I do agree, it's hard to draw the line with the Return to Shakti stuff.
Either way, no since to argue, this is just from my direct personal experience at the shows.
Wow, because when I listen to Sunlit Path, Eternities Breath or One Word I hear a pretty sweet guitarist who would not have been replaced if he hadn't picked up the electric.
When I hear Bitches Brew and Jack Johnson I hear a god amongst gods with the music to match.
You can sleep with him 73 times and that makes you no more an authority on his worth as an electric guitarist than anyone who has dug his electric work.
Maybe Miles thought he was 'innovative' at best, but it doesn't sound like it.
The quality of sound he produces, his rhythmic, compositional and voice leading ability with an acoustic is far superior to that which he creates with an electric.
Disputing this obvious fact is ridiculous. That's all I am saying. I am not saying he is a god awful electric player.
Sound quality and voice leading ability is just that. It is not a personal opinion it is a basic scientific fact.
I never said I don't "dig" his electric work. It just doesn't come close to the acoustic.
It's a simple science. Here is a very rough (simplified) example of aural science. Drop a trash can from a second story and record the sound it produces. Then record a 1st chair symphony cellist. Listen to the two sounds. One of them will be "prefer"red. There is no argument. The sound quality of one waveform is simply better. It's simple physics. Not to compare Mahavishnu to a banging trash can, but hopefully you get the point.
"You said he was most definitely an acoustic player. The statement either suggests he is not an electric player or it is a pointless statement."
I am a tabla player but I play sarod and sitar pretty proficiently as well, among many other instruments. But if I were to walk up to a master sarod player or even a senior student at Ali Akbar Khan School of Music and announce myself as a sarod player I would be laughed out of the building. This is the distinction I am making, nothing else.
The English language was constructed by murderous, evil-tyrant kings as a linear language to be used only by surfs and slaves to the Crown. The majority of human languages are circular, like the circle of fifths. They are designed for free thinking peoples, scientists, artisans. They are designed to free the mind and create a vast flow of ideas unlike the obsolete and leaner slave's language of English.
But this is an entirely separate subject that covers much ground and takes pages of explanation. Linguistics and history are interest subjects especially when dealing with the subject of royalty.
So, to answer your question in a very condensed form; The IRS, the Federal Reserve Bank and the Royal Crown.
I am suggesting that distinction does not exist. Who is the electric guitarist that would laugh Mclaughlin out the building?
Your physics is irrelevant. When Mclaughlin attacks the waveform with Ring Mods, when I squeal in delight at the disgusting crunch his guitar makes on Les Catacombs, your cellist is still beating me on physics.
None of this makes him 'forced' or 'virtuosic at best'
They are different instruments and they are approached differently.
And he doesn't approach it the best way possible like he does the acoustic. We see this is an argument that can go on infinitely and you are clearly approaching it from a standpoint of personal interest, taste and emotion rather than reality, quality of sound, voice leading, mathematics and compositional ability. Its sort of like the ridiculous argument that Dillon or Dave Matthews was just as good when they went electric. Anyone with half a brain and any taste whatsoever knows this is bullshit.
If you 'd like to hear an electric rather than acoustic player you should check out Mike Stern, Djelimady Tounkara, Bill Frissell, John Abercrombie, Joe Pass, Larry Carlton, Jim Hall, John Scofield, Larry Coryell, Larry "Ler" LaLonde, Adam Jones, Jimmy Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Wes Montgomery, Pat Metheny, Kenny Burrell and the plethora of other electric guitarists.
Leave the acoustic playing to the acoustic masters and the electric playing to the electric masters.
All this talk of John's electric skills... Did you catch any of this last run? I caught 6 shows. Played with Hadrian a few times. Hadrian stole the show... John was hard to listen to at times... forced...
'Leave... the electric playing to the electric masters'
If that advice were followed you would deprive me of some of my favourite electric work which happens to be by JM.
I am not approaching it from personal interest or taste. I am approaching it from the perspective of the ability to communicate thought/feel/emotion through musical form.
Although I may not have your grasp on 'reality' and perhaps I am not in possession of half a brain but....
...the disparity between Dylan's acoustic work and electric work does not mean he should stick to one or the other.
Richard Thompson plays both, to different effect. Why should he leave either to 'the masters'?
Again this might contravene your 'science' but I think JM roasts the majority oif the 'masters' you have named. I mean SRV should not be in the same building as JM so why the hell should the electric guitar be left to him.
Like I said in my original comment months ago; his sound quality, voice leading, compositional ability and past discography clearly prove he is a much better acoustic player than electric.
You've already admitted it yourself as well right here. You said: "I prefer his acoustic work also".
That is for one reason; his "acoustic work" it is far superior to his electric. Your subconscious tells your conscious mind to make a statement like "I prefer his acoustic work also."
Even though your conscious mind does not understand why (or want to). Well, I am explaining why. Wether you'd like to call it science, binary, conceptual, ridiculous, strange, beautiful, opinionated, b.s. or mumbo jumbo. It is what it is and that's all it is.
It's only simple science my boy. I hate to burst your emotional artistic bubble. Music is math. The artist creates an aural math equation via waveforms that connects with your central nervous system causing your glandular system to release a chemical which makes your subconscious giddy. Hence a statement like "I prefer his acoustic work also."
So what is the formula for the perfect bit of music.
Trust me, your in no danger of bursting anything. You are both presumptuous and condescending.
I said I prefer it, I tend to prefer acoustic guitars generally. I din't say 'much better'.
The objective and subjective being the difference.
I have not argued his electric work is better, I have not refuted that it is worse. I have taken issue with you saying it is 'virtuousic and innovative at best.... forced... should be left to the masters'.
I argue with your assertion he should abandon it. I disagree with your notion of him being laughed out the building.
None of this has to do with the nature of waveforms. I love how you think you are teaching me stuff.
"release a chemical which makes your subconscious giddy."
So if this is the case and it is about the clean waveforms, how has my taste changed over the years? Why does stuff get me giddy that is worse than your cellist?
I am not making any attempt to "teach" you anything. I am purely stating fact. The mathematical equation that John constructs with his acoustic makes more sense. It is easier to process, is cleaner, more natural; essentially better than that which he produces with his electric.
It's not about "clean" or dirty waveforms. It's about a specific sound that is produced by a specific man & the quality of the sound which is being produced.
Again, we can go round and round with this forever & as I asserted in my opening statements before you butted into an old conversation between two other people; English is a linear language so we are both "being linear" son.
Your "taste" has changed over the years because of the fact that the more mathematical equations (sound patterns, waveforms) that enter your subconscious mind the more synaptic connections your nervous system creates, essentially making you more intelligent and/or able to comprehend more complex patterns/equations. It goes back to the old "listening to Mozart makes one more intelligent" statement.
But again; this is all basic science, so I am not teaching you anything. That is why you asked the question in the first place. Because you already have a complete comprehension of aural science in relation to the anatomy/philology of the human nervous & glandular systems.
Your whole mode of argumentation in this thread is pseudoscientific. Of course notes are "mathematical" (they are pitches), but pieces are not equations. Scientists do have a decent degree of knowledge about what makes certain sounds pleasing, but little of it will support your argument that John is a better electric player than an acoustic player.
It's even more amazing that you felt the need to go down that road at all. Couldn't you have just talked about how his music sounds?
If you didn't just butt into a statement (which has now seemed to turn into a debate) that is several months old and a separate conversation that is now weeks old (with another person that butt in as well) and you research back to my original statement you will see that it started as a statement such as the one you stated here; "Couldn't you have just talked about how his music sounds?"
Then slowly (over months) progressed into a "pseudoscientific" debate with a separate individual completely unrelated to the initial statements. Although I do stand behind all of my statements as they are true.
Next time you want to argue go to back the beginning so you can have some ground and context in which to argue.
I have read all of your statements in this thread. I'm not here to dispute the idea that he's a better acoustic player than electric player. I'm pointing out that you're way of talking about his playing (as though there were some sort of mathematical superiority to his acoustic playing) is just nonsense. If you have trouble expressing your opinions more reasonably in English, feel free to use whatever non-"slave's language" suits you most.
शुद्ध प्यार शांति और शक्ति ध्वनिक स्थानों शुद्ध सौंदर्य चित्रित में उत्पादित ध्वनि की लहरें और सच प्रकृति और किसी दूसरे के विपरीत संगीतकार की आत्मा को प्रकट करते हैं.
If you don't appreciate it. listen to what you like. No one told you to like it maybe you like ABBA or ACDC or Oscar peterson. each to their own bloke
notice how much these cats appear to enjoy what they are doing and how the audience responds - what a beautiful tribute - I am incredibly moved by this one - thanks John, and all others involved in this performance!!!
If anyone thinks me detestable for stating that this is not as good as John usually plays, then they can get a life as far as I care. Love you all for being ANAL retentive fools. I love John McLaughlin and this still only rates a 3/5 on my scale as played by John. Anyone else might have rated higher from me, but I hold John to a higher standard.
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great guitarist but this just sounds like someone being a noodle head to a bunch of annoying bongo sounds. Not my fav. Only 3 stars out of 5. Worth watching once and that is about all.
I disagree. I can understand not prefering the instrumentation used by McLaughlin for this performance. But noodling usually refers to someone randomly playing notes as they search for ideas. It's obvious that McLaughlin and the others know exactly what they're doing, and John's playing here certainly seems inspired by the memory of Elvin Jones.
I didn't say I did not like it. I said compared to his skill level it is not as good as he is capable of and that I love most of his work. Just NOT this one. People act like I dis'd their frickin God just because I stated I thought this was noodling compared to what John usually plays. You all can go F yourselves for acting like stupid little sissies over a silly little opinionated post. Sheesh I'd love to SLAP you for being a whiny panty waist, Ifitomshi.
Quinoacat - what's the problem? I only offered a differing opinion; it wasn't an attack. I simply said I disagree with your characterization of John's playing on this piece as "noodling", then I stated my reasons in a rational manner. That's hardly whining. Others might have called you ignorant or an idiot, but I didn't. Nor did I even imply that you were detestable or that you disliked John as a guitarist. So regain your composure and don't include me in your defensive diatribes.
Sorry man. I was obviously in a bad mood and feeling defensive as a result. I responded as a knee jerk reaction because I really like both the music of the Late Alvin Jones and I dig most all John Mclaughlin does. a 3/5 means worth watching and I usually give him 5/5.
No problem. And actually, I think any musician that has recorded music for as long as McLaughlin is going to have greater and lesser moments. It happens even to the best. I LOVE John McLaughlin, but nevertheless there are times when I prefer some of his works over his other efforts. Still, I can't think of another guitarist who has explored music at his level of virtuosity and with such artistic versatility.
Thank you. I'll add something else. I was at Crossroads 2004. I thought John's playing was astonishing and inspired, but w/Dennis' drums it was more difficult to hear his guitar clearly - it might have been where I was sitting. The chorus effect of John's guitar made it sound watery, and at the time I had doubts about the effects he chose for that venue since it was the Cotton Bowl. But the clarity of the audio in this video reminded me that he's a helluva lot smarter than I am.
lol I hear how complicated they are and do appreciate them even if I reserve the right to not prefer this set as being pleasing to my ears. You are the dumbass for slamming me as an idiot for stating I like his other stuff way better that this. Grow up and let people post their opinion without resorting to childish personal attacks. Have a nice life Mr. jazzguitar1221 that acts like I insulted him, you dumb dolt.
If Jimmy (Page), or Eric would still dedicate some time in the day, time to improve like him, to study some boring, but nevertheless, always a bit necessary, TECHNICAL AND INSPIRATION MUST REJOICE TO WORK TOGETHER. Right.
Damn he's good, Shakti, After the rain, My Goals Beyond, the Mahavishnu stuff!! Goals Beyond, is the one i like best. And he gave an interview on Guitar player on 1994, that i'll always find true inspiring, about how he used to drive a truck for work during the day, for example,and still play, or study his guitar late at night.
^Quite possibly the most brilliant and adept guitarist of all time. Comparable more to the great pianists and saxophonists than the "great" guitarists.
jimi and john are different. They are both creative in different ways: Jimi was an expert in efect using and had a pretty good technique. John, on the other hand,has more MUSICAL knowledge, so he improvises IN the guitar without using too many effects, and THAT makes him a master. He's never stopped getting better with time and he's mastered an awfully wide musical style range. I know there is no such thing as the best guitarist, but if there was, John would be it.
Theres no point in comparing John and Jimi there both two completly different kinds of musicians. Jimi is remembered because he changed the way the guitar was played not because no one is as good as him today. John has MUCH more musical knowledge then jimi and is much better than Jimi technically but did not have the same influence on the guitar community obviously.
John may not have influenced the "guitar community" as much as Jimi, but he's had an enormous influence on it nevertheless. That influence has been direct on innumerable guitarists who came along at the same time or soon after he did, and indirectly on those guitarists who've been inspired by those he influenced directly. And now his state-of-the-art DVD guitar instruction course undoubtedly extends his influence.
Yes, he has a lot of instructional stuff coming out. From his improvisation triple DVD, to his Indian rhythm dvds, he's going all out in teaching. And believe me, they are 100x more useful than any of those Chops From Hell metal shredding instructional DVDs.
MAN!I thought I was the only Mclaughlin fan,its so good to find ppl who worship JM like me:D.If Jimi were alive,I guess he n JM wud have been on the same page.But JM was influenced a lot by Jimi,if uve heard Mclaughlins self titled trak on Miles Davis`s The Bitches Brew,u know what I mean.Either way,i`m a great fan of both
I wish he did this version of this song on one of his CD's. The original is on After The Rain but sounds almost nothing like this, except for that one lick that he does from 2:01 to 2:05.
look, the level of musicianship john, and zakir have and well.....dennis is not my favorite, but,,,,,,,it works i guess.....better with cobham though. but anyway john allways blows my mind and alot of people say jimi handrix was alot better than john, but technicaly john surpassed jimi when john was 17 years old. BUT! im not saying that jimi didnt have soul!!!! he had soul! but i tend to listen to john alot more than jimi,
Jimi did make some good music, but that dosn't qualify him for all that "greatest guitar player in the world" bullshit. I'm getting really tired of seeing it and hearing it. John Mclaughlin can create amazing music, and he is one of the if not greatest guitar players there has ever been.
You must not play guitar, or just not very good if you think Jimi Hendrix is better than John. Jimi Hendrix dosn't have anything on John except popularity. Hendrix sucks all he knows how to play is minor pentatonic scales and he can't even play them worth shit. John plays things that people can't even name.
Well in the case of hendrix, you're totaly wrong...
hendrix was a musical genious... the way of his accopaniment is till today unreached, millions of great and always new licks can be found there, hendrix was a great composer and arrangeur.
He really loved music and you can hear it, well, you should hear it :> but I just want to mention, that jimi was a great guitarist and musician - doubtles, as doubtles as john is one of the world's greatest musicians too
heh, what's so impossible about nodding your head to 10\8? 10\8 is a different way of saying 5\4. Head left and head right on every other beat and it turns around every 2 bars
John is a phenomenal guitarist who plays unusual scale combinations and asymmetric time patterns with great technical prowess. But all this is pointless if it does'nt appeal to the audience. People attend concerts to relax and have a nice time and, obviously, listen to some good music. John McLauglin has been giving his audience this kind of shit throughout his career.
Well, you know, it all depends what you call music. I call pissed-over shit that punk and nu metal stuff today, and many others would agree, but not necessarily everyone. John plays a different Jazz and just hapened to have the biggest talent in guitar history. To some (including me) those fast lines and wierd syncopation relaxes us, or excites us. That's what music is all about, and it's subjective.
Yeah, it would be ,uch better to condesend the etards and play 4/4 speed licks right???? Mclaughlin plays for himself and the gods. The proles can fuck off.
I agree the mix of musicians here is weird. You have Mclaughlin and Chambers who are almost perfect for each other then all of a sudden theres Zakir Hussein on tablas. It may look weird but the sound is awesome. Mclaughlin always knows exactly what he wants. and it always sounds great. He is the greatest guitar player, musical genius, and innovator of all time
Anyone, (anybody)out there knows when Elvin pass away ?¿ Just like John mentions, he is a big hero for me, I saw him playing in Chile, bleww my mind,i was raised as a classical musician, first time I heard Jazz, 10 years la ten years later, I was at Berklee College of Music, trying to figure ourt Jazz. I f someone knows , well.. i would apreciate, if u let me know Miguelanda
Thanks for the data, bazonic, if nobody answered to me till tomorrow, I was going to take a minute out of my life-time and look it up in google. Anyway, again, I do apreciatte u r concern. Migue anda
sorry to tabla sound is very poor.why drums sound is so high?this is very bad for our contry.this not a small contry if y want to show your drums, why your group invite my contry tabla player?
Relax man, the the mix in this YouTube recording just isn't very good. Believe me, anyone who's watching this video knows who Zakir Hussein is, and we know he's the world's best tabla player. John invited him to perform with him for this event because the two of them are good friends and have played a lot of music together in the past. If you think John McLaughlin meant to disrespect Indian music, you should read a little more about John's career.
Why is a supposed slight to Zakir a slight to India? I doubt if Johns mix was bad people in England would feel it was bad for national pride!! Besides, I think John has done more for Idian Music than any other westerner. More Power!
Absolutely superb. Yeah he was without a doubt the best guitarist at the festival. Check out the power when the drums kick in - marvellous! Thank's for posting. 5 stars * * * * *
I'm sure the rock oriented crowd must've been as bored as hell. They don't know that, aside from BB King, McLaughlin was the best guitarist on the Crossroads Festival...AND he is THE MOST technical. He even kicks Steve Vai's arse in terms of technique (he was also in the festival). Just listen to him PICK all the notes, even the sweep arpeggios are picked.
Man it's not even worth writing Vai's name, he can't even qualify in the top ten that MAY come close to licking McLaughlin's balls. He is Ultimate! He is God!
Vai deserves for credit than he gets from the "jazz purists" or whatever you want to call yourself. He's a great player with phenomenal technique and a very unique voice. McLaughlin does beat him out, but I'd say he's past his balls. Eric Johnson was there too, he's got insane speed as well...
is this a "__________ shreds" video? LOL
SensibleMusician 10 months ago
I know john is meant to be this genius and all...but this sucks
923Haze 10 months ago
@923Haze how so?
ehhyoBillbO 9 months ago
@ehhyoBillbO
you know what I'm talking about
923Haze 8 months ago
@923Haze not at all...
ehhyoBillbO 8 months ago
@ehhyoBillbO Ohh but I think you do...
923Haze 3 months ago
Does anyone else think that Dennis Chambers looks like Carl Winslow from Family Matter?
srvgravesdime 1 year ago
супер просто !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
vladgitar 1 year ago
At first i was like WOO!
Then i was like...meh
beermandan420 1 year ago
they need to show dennis chambers more,,,
lateralus1007 1 year ago
What an unreal groove
adrianjemond 2 years ago
I love to watch this video over and over again...great melodc context in shuffle 5/4....Zakir Ji is amazing as usual...monster playing but a little low on the mix which dissapoints me a bit.....be it any time signature, he plays it with ease...Dennis chambers is amazing here too....nice chops...but he misses the 1 at around 7.45 ....RIP Elvin Jones
adishredder 2 years ago
@adishredder picky!
coreyagraph 1 year ago
@adishredder Every musician can miss a one count,as I've noticed.Most fans don't as long as you pick it up right away.A bit faster that the "After The Rain" trib. w/Elvin Jones CD.Caught Elvin's "Jazz Machine" Here in MPLS. in 2002.Miss Elvin,too!
ESmithStringSlinger 8 months ago
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"I prefer his acoustic work"
Translated...
"I am a pussy"
I wish John never picked up an acoustic guitar...electric allows the rest of the band to get big with the sound...
Acoustic is for old people with bad backs
skier123453 2 years ago
@skier123453
wow whats wrong with you
sdylte 2 years ago
if a man can swing this hard what else is there!!
noonward 2 years ago
What a freaky lookin guitar! Love it!
eric1love 2 years ago
Ill bet there not even `musicians ` or at least players of anything ! Perhaps.
boobj 2 years ago
you guys are a bunch of dorks.
dasilvaj2008 2 years ago
on music
skier123453 2 years ago
i love this
jkvasn 2 years ago 3
Gotta love Chambers' flawless shuffle in FIVE.
eskimoposh 2 years ago 10
fark, everyone needs to realise before they can criticise, how hard this shit is to play.
and tits their music not yours so shut you fuckin mouths, enjoy prodigy's playing what they beleive to be natural music. just cause its a few eschalons above most of ours.
Grillmouth 3 years ago
straight up bro
kilburndude1989 3 years ago
chambers just can't solo very tastefully, but he's the man on groove and comping, he's more of a "listener" than a "starter" if you know what I mean
nomedeutilizador 3 years ago
The crowd doesn't even know who John McLaughlin is, he was a very bad fit at this show.
Lupinze3rd 3 years ago
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This is a horrible tribute. Noodling at its worst
rudeass 3 years ago
noodling?!?! this stuff swings man!
trigjeeeh 3 years ago
try shredding over unusual changes with a 5/4 beat, noob
skier123453 3 years ago 4
Try using your ears, and forget about chops, noob.
rudeass 3 years ago
It is funny that Johnny continually resorts BACK to electric. He is without a doubt an acoustic player. There are very few masters (if any) of both instruments. Not to say that he wasn't shredding electric here but, of course, his acoustic playing is unparalleled.
AND... I tell him this all the time...
betbowt 3 years ago
He's an electric guitar player. In technique, in discipline, he's an electric guitar player. He oftentimes says so. He usually adds "but I love acoustic guitar."
He says something to that effect in a guitar trio interview
ak47mustang 2 years ago
I know John well. I have since '73. I've seen him play around 70 times. He and his bass player stays with me when they come thru. He's an acoustic player. His electric playing always seems forced. His acoustic playing is clean and natural. After seeing 31 Shakti and Return to Shakti shows and 47 Trio shows and several of the last 9 electric tours, playing with him several times along with owning every recording; I can say with a bit of authority that he is surely an acoustic player/composer.
betbowt 2 years ago 3
Wow. That's awesome, and I'm jealous. I've never gotten to see him play, I'm afraid :- (
Still, I wouldn't call his electric playing "forced," the guy changed the way you're allowed to play an electric guitar. Granted, I haven't seen him nearly as much as you have, but you at least have to allow that the stuff he did with Mahavishnu was really good.
Though I suppose that my favorite album is My Goal's Beyond, which is an acoustic album
ak47mustang 2 years ago
Yeah, it's been a fun ride...
Maybe "forced" wasn't the correct word. English is such a linear and obsolete slave's language... Anyway; yes his acoustic playing (and more importantly compositional level/ability) is ecstatic... It is Shakti in every sense of the definition of the word.
His electric playing is innovative and virtuosic at best.
You should check out all the Shakti & Return to Shakti stuff if you have not heard the complete recordings.
betbowt 2 years ago
Yes, A Handful of Beauty is one of the finest pieces of music ever recorded, in my opinion. Haven't gotten around to all of the Remember Shakti stuff, I really need to get Saturday Night in Bombay
ak47mustang 2 years ago
Yes, Return to Shakti box set is ideal for you. It's all the old and much new Shakti, but recorded on an electric ;-)
betbowt 2 years ago
actually in Remember Shakti - he plays Electric & not Acoustic! :)
theeyeinthesky80 2 years ago
I must have missed the fact that he had an electric in his hand during the 20 something Return Shakti shows I saw from the front row... ;-)
Not to be a smart ass but I clearly said that after seeing and listening to what I have; his acoustic playing/composition is far superior to his electric.
Although I do agree, it's hard to draw the line with the Return to Shakti stuff.
Either way, no since to argue, this is just from my direct personal experience at the shows.
betbowt 2 years ago
Wow, because when I listen to Sunlit Path, Eternities Breath or One Word I hear a pretty sweet guitarist who would not have been replaced if he hadn't picked up the electric.
When I hear Bitches Brew and Jack Johnson I hear a god amongst gods with the music to match.
You can sleep with him 73 times and that makes you no more an authority on his worth as an electric guitarist than anyone who has dug his electric work.
Maybe Miles thought he was 'innovative' at best, but it doesn't sound like it.
OneBigRetard 2 years ago
'Eternity's'. !
OneBigRetard 2 years ago
The quality of sound he produces, his rhythmic, compositional and voice leading ability with an acoustic is far superior to that which he creates with an electric.
Disputing this obvious fact is ridiculous. That's all I am saying. I am not saying he is a god awful electric player.
Sound quality and voice leading ability is just that. It is not a personal opinion it is a basic scientific fact.
I never said I don't "dig" his electric work. It just doesn't come close to the acoustic.
betbowt 2 years ago
Well who am I to argue with 'science'? I would love to see the metrics of this science.
You said he was most definitely an acoustic player. The statement either suggests he is not an electric player or it is a pointless statement.
I prefer his acoustic work also, I don't however agree with your characterisation of his electric work. Sorry if this is in denial of science.
'Slave's language'? Linear yes, slaves? To whom.
OneBigRetard 2 years ago
"I prefer his acoustic work also"
It's a simple science. Here is a very rough (simplified) example of aural science. Drop a trash can from a second story and record the sound it produces. Then record a 1st chair symphony cellist. Listen to the two sounds. One of them will be "prefer"red. There is no argument. The sound quality of one waveform is simply better. It's simple physics. Not to compare Mahavishnu to a banging trash can, but hopefully you get the point.
betbowt 2 years ago
"You said he was most definitely an acoustic player. The statement either suggests he is not an electric player or it is a pointless statement."
I am a tabla player but I play sarod and sitar pretty proficiently as well, among many other instruments. But if I were to walk up to a master sarod player or even a senior student at Ali Akbar Khan School of Music and announce myself as a sarod player I would be laughed out of the building. This is the distinction I am making, nothing else.
betbowt 2 years ago
'Slave's language'? Linear yes, slaves? To whom."
The English language was constructed by murderous, evil-tyrant kings as a linear language to be used only by surfs and slaves to the Crown. The majority of human languages are circular, like the circle of fifths. They are designed for free thinking peoples, scientists, artisans. They are designed to free the mind and create a vast flow of ideas unlike the obsolete and leaner slave's language of English.
betbowt 2 years ago
But this is an entirely separate subject that covers much ground and takes pages of explanation. Linguistics and history are interest subjects especially when dealing with the subject of royalty.
So, to answer your question in a very condensed form; The IRS, the Federal Reserve Bank and the Royal Crown.
betbowt 2 years ago
I am suggesting that distinction does not exist. Who is the electric guitarist that would laugh Mclaughlin out the building?
Your physics is irrelevant. When Mclaughlin attacks the waveform with Ring Mods, when I squeal in delight at the disgusting crunch his guitar makes on Les Catacombs, your cellist is still beating me on physics.
None of this makes him 'forced' or 'virtuosic at best'
They are different instruments and they are approached differently.
OneBigRetard 2 years ago
And he doesn't approach it the best way possible like he does the acoustic. We see this is an argument that can go on infinitely and you are clearly approaching it from a standpoint of personal interest, taste and emotion rather than reality, quality of sound, voice leading, mathematics and compositional ability. Its sort of like the ridiculous argument that Dillon or Dave Matthews was just as good when they went electric. Anyone with half a brain and any taste whatsoever knows this is bullshit.
betbowt 2 years ago
If you 'd like to hear an electric rather than acoustic player you should check out Mike Stern, Djelimady Tounkara, Bill Frissell, John Abercrombie, Joe Pass, Larry Carlton, Jim Hall, John Scofield, Larry Coryell, Larry "Ler" LaLonde, Adam Jones, Jimmy Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Wes Montgomery, Pat Metheny, Kenny Burrell and the plethora of other electric guitarists.
Leave the acoustic playing to the acoustic masters and the electric playing to the electric masters.
betbowt 2 years ago
All this talk of John's electric skills... Did you catch any of this last run? I caught 6 shows. Played with Hadrian a few times. Hadrian stole the show... John was hard to listen to at times... forced...
Can't say that about Stern or Abercrombie.
betbowt 2 years ago
Yes I caught him. But again you beat me on numbers.
I thought his playing was beautiful.
OneBigRetard 2 years ago
Again. You make diverging points.
'Leave... the electric playing to the electric masters'
If that advice were followed you would deprive me of some of my favourite electric work which happens to be by JM.
I am not approaching it from personal interest or taste. I am approaching it from the perspective of the ability to communicate thought/feel/emotion through musical form.
Although I may not have your grasp on 'reality' and perhaps I am not in possession of half a brain but....
OneBigRetard 2 years ago
...the disparity between Dylan's acoustic work and electric work does not mean he should stick to one or the other.
Richard Thompson plays both, to different effect. Why should he leave either to 'the masters'?
Again this might contravene your 'science' but I think JM roasts the majority oif the 'masters' you have named. I mean SRV should not be in the same building as JM so why the hell should the electric guitar be left to him.
Piffle.
OneBigRetard 2 years ago
It is an entirely false dichotomy. Strange this desire for binary concepts.
OneBigRetard 2 years ago
Which one should Stephen Stills restrict himself to?
OneBigRetard 2 years ago
Like I said in my original comment months ago; his sound quality, voice leading, compositional ability and past discography clearly prove he is a much better acoustic player than electric.
You've already admitted it yourself as well right here. You said: "I prefer his acoustic work also".
That is for one reason; his "acoustic work" it is far superior to his electric. Your subconscious tells your conscious mind to make a statement like "I prefer his acoustic work also."
betbowt 2 years ago
Even though your conscious mind does not understand why (or want to). Well, I am explaining why. Wether you'd like to call it science, binary, conceptual, ridiculous, strange, beautiful, opinionated, b.s. or mumbo jumbo. It is what it is and that's all it is.
betbowt 2 years ago
It's only simple science my boy. I hate to burst your emotional artistic bubble. Music is math. The artist creates an aural math equation via waveforms that connects with your central nervous system causing your glandular system to release a chemical which makes your subconscious giddy. Hence a statement like "I prefer his acoustic work also."
betbowt 2 years ago
So what is the formula for the perfect bit of music.
Trust me, your in no danger of bursting anything. You are both presumptuous and condescending.
I said I prefer it, I tend to prefer acoustic guitars generally. I din't say 'much better'.
The objective and subjective being the difference.
I have not argued his electric work is better, I have not refuted that it is worse. I have taken issue with you saying it is 'virtuousic and innovative at best.... forced... should be left to the masters'.
OneBigRetard 2 years ago
I argue with your assertion he should abandon it. I disagree with your notion of him being laughed out the building.
None of this has to do with the nature of waveforms. I love how you think you are teaching me stuff.
"release a chemical which makes your subconscious giddy."
So if this is the case and it is about the clean waveforms, how has my taste changed over the years? Why does stuff get me giddy that is worse than your cellist?
Now who is being linear?
OneBigRetard 2 years ago
I am not making any attempt to "teach" you anything. I am purely stating fact. The mathematical equation that John constructs with his acoustic makes more sense. It is easier to process, is cleaner, more natural; essentially better than that which he produces with his electric.
It's not about "clean" or dirty waveforms. It's about a specific sound that is produced by a specific man & the quality of the sound which is being produced.
betbowt 2 years ago
Again, we can go round and round with this forever & as I asserted in my opening statements before you butted into an old conversation between two other people; English is a linear language so we are both "being linear" son.
betbowt 2 years ago
Your "taste" has changed over the years because of the fact that the more mathematical equations (sound patterns, waveforms) that enter your subconscious mind the more synaptic connections your nervous system creates, essentially making you more intelligent and/or able to comprehend more complex patterns/equations. It goes back to the old "listening to Mozart makes one more intelligent" statement.
betbowt 2 years ago
But again; this is all basic science, so I am not teaching you anything. That is why you asked the question in the first place. Because you already have a complete comprehension of aural science in relation to the anatomy/philology of the human nervous & glandular systems.
betbowt 2 years ago
@betbowt
Your use of the word 'son' says everything about you and the nature of this debate. Apply your ego elsewhere.
OneBigRetard 1 year ago
Your whole mode of argumentation in this thread is pseudoscientific. Of course notes are "mathematical" (they are pitches), but pieces are not equations. Scientists do have a decent degree of knowledge about what makes certain sounds pleasing, but little of it will support your argument that John is a better electric player than an acoustic player.
It's even more amazing that you felt the need to go down that road at all. Couldn't you have just talked about how his music sounds?
Unnoticed37 2 years ago
If you didn't just butt into a statement (which has now seemed to turn into a debate) that is several months old and a separate conversation that is now weeks old (with another person that butt in as well) and you research back to my original statement you will see that it started as a statement such as the one you stated here; "Couldn't you have just talked about how his music sounds?"
betbowt 2 years ago
Then slowly (over months) progressed into a "pseudoscientific" debate with a separate individual completely unrelated to the initial statements. Although I do stand behind all of my statements as they are true.
Next time you want to argue go to back the beginning so you can have some ground and context in which to argue.
betbowt 2 years ago
I have read all of your statements in this thread. I'm not here to dispute the idea that he's a better acoustic player than electric player. I'm pointing out that you're way of talking about his playing (as though there were some sort of mathematical superiority to his acoustic playing) is just nonsense. If you have trouble expressing your opinions more reasonably in English, feel free to use whatever non-"slave's language" suits you most.
Unnoticed37 2 years ago
oops, meant "your".
Unnoticed37 2 years ago
शुद्ध प्यार शांति और शक्ति ध्वनिक स्थानों शुद्ध सौंदर्य चित्रित में उत्पादित ध्वनि की लहरें और सच प्रकृति और किसी दूसरे के विपरीत संगीतकार की आत्मा को प्रकट करते हैं.
betbowt 2 years ago 11
@betbowt
विज्ञान पहचानने 'बेहतर' या संगीत में 'बदतर' बेवकूफ है
OneBigRetard 1 year ago
@betbowt I'm not familiar with JM's music. I can, however, totally see where you are coming from. I also think onebigretard missed your point.
I also think you are a condescending asshole who has attitude problem. Musicians should be humble.
saqib09 4 days ago
@betbowt Oh.. and the science bit is pure crap.
saqib09 4 days ago
@rudeass
Idiot.
jbc6 1 year ago
the crowd is like yeah..who's Elvin Jones... they have no clue...
Funkatronical 3 years ago
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what the fuck is this bull shit!!!, waste of my god damn! time!
deerhunter7585 3 years ago
peasant moron
bigdaverama 3 years ago
fuck you!
sowhatxy 3 years ago
If you don't appreciate it. listen to what you like. No one told you to like it maybe you like ABBA or ACDC or Oscar peterson. each to their own bloke
nedlert 3 years ago
bloke nice wok :)
Funkatronical 3 years ago
silly simpleton
prasiddha 3 years ago
he plays Godin guitars there made in Canada A ok?
Funkatronical 3 years ago
Does anybody know what he's playing on? That things is kickin rad.
Sandison3210 3 years ago
Godin guitars
Funkatronical 3 years ago
Actually, he is playing a Mike Sabre guitar here.
NOWADAYS, he plays Godins. But not in this vid.
prasiddha 3 years ago
notice how much these cats appear to enjoy what they are doing and how the audience responds - what a beautiful tribute - I am incredibly moved by this one - thanks John, and all others involved in this performance!!!
hemingway68 3 years ago
qionoacat is about as defensive and immature as a YouTube poster could hope to get.
Unnoticed37 3 years ago
If anyone thinks me detestable for stating that this is not as good as John usually plays, then they can get a life as far as I care. Love you all for being ANAL retentive fools. I love John McLaughlin and this still only rates a 3/5 on my scale as played by John. Anyone else might have rated higher from me, but I hold John to a higher standard.
quinoacat 3 years ago
what kind of guitar is he playing?
anyone knows?
kaelmi71 4 years ago
It's a Mike Sabre custom model.
bazonics 4 years ago
@kaelmi71. To all you geeks who are ripping John i would like to say this: get a fetching life.
MrTotallyDave 7 months ago
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great guitarist but this just sounds like someone being a noodle head to a bunch of annoying bongo sounds. Not my fav. Only 3 stars out of 5. Worth watching once and that is about all.
quinoacat 4 years ago
I disagree. I can understand not prefering the instrumentation used by McLaughlin for this performance. But noodling usually refers to someone randomly playing notes as they search for ideas. It's obvious that McLaughlin and the others know exactly what they're doing, and John's playing here certainly seems inspired by the memory of Elvin Jones.
lfitomshi 4 years ago
I didn't say I did not like it. I said compared to his skill level it is not as good as he is capable of and that I love most of his work. Just NOT this one. People act like I dis'd their frickin God just because I stated I thought this was noodling compared to what John usually plays. You all can go F yourselves for acting like stupid little sissies over a silly little opinionated post. Sheesh I'd love to SLAP you for being a whiny panty waist, Ifitomshi.
quinoacat 3 years ago
Quinoacat - what's the problem? I only offered a differing opinion; it wasn't an attack. I simply said I disagree with your characterization of John's playing on this piece as "noodling", then I stated my reasons in a rational manner. That's hardly whining. Others might have called you ignorant or an idiot, but I didn't. Nor did I even imply that you were detestable or that you disliked John as a guitarist. So regain your composure and don't include me in your defensive diatribes.
lfitomshi 3 years ago
Sorry man. I was obviously in a bad mood and feeling defensive as a result. I responded as a knee jerk reaction because I really like both the music of the Late Alvin Jones and I dig most all John Mclaughlin does. a 3/5 means worth watching and I usually give him 5/5.
quinoacat 3 years ago
No problem. And actually, I think any musician that has recorded music for as long as McLaughlin is going to have greater and lesser moments. It happens even to the best. I LOVE John McLaughlin, but nevertheless there are times when I prefer some of his works over his other efforts. Still, I can't think of another guitarist who has explored music at his level of virtuosity and with such artistic versatility.
lfitomshi 3 years ago
Amen, Your comment is right on in my book.
quinoacat 3 years ago
Thank you. I'll add something else. I was at Crossroads 2004. I thought John's playing was astonishing and inspired, but w/Dennis' drums it was more difficult to hear his guitar clearly - it might have been where I was sitting. The chorus effect of John's guitar made it sound watery, and at the time I had doubts about the effects he chose for that venue since it was the Cotton Bowl. But the clarity of the audio in this video reminded me that he's a helluva lot smarter than I am.
lfitomshi 3 years ago
wow you have no idea the complicated rythms he is playing another ignorant person who uses their eyes instead of their ears
jazzguitar1221 3 years ago
lol I hear how complicated they are and do appreciate them even if I reserve the right to not prefer this set as being pleasing to my ears. You are the dumbass for slamming me as an idiot for stating I like his other stuff way better that this. Grow up and let people post their opinion without resorting to childish personal attacks. Have a nice life Mr. jazzguitar1221 that acts like I insulted him, you dumb dolt.
quinoacat 3 years ago
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Dennis chambers needs to give it a rest
rudeass 4 years ago
Dennis and John go way back ....Dennis drives Johns playing ... they know what there doing just listen.
MY599FERRARI 4 years ago
If Jimmy (Page), or Eric would still dedicate some time in the day, time to improve like him, to study some boring, but nevertheless, always a bit necessary, TECHNICAL AND INSPIRATION MUST REJOICE TO WORK TOGETHER. Right.
juanpescador 4 years ago 2
Damn he's good, Shakti, After the rain, My Goals Beyond, the Mahavishnu stuff!! Goals Beyond, is the one i like best. And he gave an interview on Guitar player on 1994, that i'll always find true inspiring, about how he used to drive a truck for work during the day, for example,and still play, or study his guitar late at night.
juanpescador 4 years ago
5/4. Not 9/8, not 10/8.
GT7Bassman4JC 4 years ago
Time sig sems to hover between 9/8 & 10/8...
Groovy man, a real Jazz Odyssey!
I'm feelin' it
24bitz 4 years ago
BEST GUITAR PLAYER EVER. PERIOD. i liked the guy who tried to bob his head to a 9/8 time signiature
NightTrainAntigua 4 years ago
john grooves hard here wooo
noonward 4 years ago
^Quite possibly the most brilliant and adept guitarist of all time. Comparable more to the great pianists and saxophonists than the "great" guitarists.
aniamls 4 years ago
sick what a groove
lax987 4 years ago
Wow this is absolutely brilliant. Amazing musicians, all three of them.
BFreezy 4 years ago
..John is in a class by hiself,not to be compared to any one!.......
Guitman2001 4 years ago
AWESOME!!!
xXIcelandicDudeXx 4 years ago
Five........***** my very favorite playing at this Crossroads concert.John and company played well here!
MY599FERRARI 4 years ago
Definatley
MahavishnuJM 4 years ago
jimi and john are different. They are both creative in different ways: Jimi was an expert in efect using and had a pretty good technique. John, on the other hand,has more MUSICAL knowledge, so he improvises IN the guitar without using too many effects, and THAT makes him a master. He's never stopped getting better with time and he's mastered an awfully wide musical style range. I know there is no such thing as the best guitarist, but if there was, John would be it.
rhxt1002 4 years ago
almost no one reaches the level that John is at on the guitar.
jazzcombo251 4 years ago
Theres no point in comparing John and Jimi there both two completly different kinds of musicians. Jimi is remembered because he changed the way the guitar was played not because no one is as good as him today. John has MUCH more musical knowledge then jimi and is much better than Jimi technically but did not have the same influence on the guitar community obviously.
jazzcombo251 4 years ago
John may not have influenced the "guitar community" as much as Jimi, but he's had an enormous influence on it nevertheless. That influence has been direct on innumerable guitarists who came along at the same time or soon after he did, and indirectly on those guitarists who've been inspired by those he influenced directly. And now his state-of-the-art DVD guitar instruction course undoubtedly extends his influence.
nagarjuna1953 4 years ago
Yes, he has a lot of instructional stuff coming out. From his improvisation triple DVD, to his Indian rhythm dvds, he's going all out in teaching. And believe me, they are 100x more useful than any of those Chops From Hell metal shredding instructional DVDs.
prasiddha 4 years ago
Haha, most definitely. I look forward to the future of music and musicians even more now.
noonward 4 years ago
MAN!I thought I was the only Mclaughlin fan,its so good to find ppl who worship JM like me:D.If Jimi were alive,I guess he n JM wud have been on the same page.But JM was influenced a lot by Jimi,if uve heard Mclaughlins self titled trak on Miles Davis`s The Bitches Brew,u know what I mean.Either way,i`m a great fan of both
drstrangeluv840 4 years ago
Of course their clueless, most of them are finding god right there.
MahavishnuJM 4 years ago
Anyone see John at the knew crossroads festival.
MahavishnuJM 4 years ago
I wish he did this version of this song on one of his CD's. The original is on After The Rain but sounds almost nothing like this, except for that one lick that he does from 2:01 to 2:05.
MahavishnuJM 4 years ago
look, the level of musicianship john, and zakir have and well.....dennis is not my favorite, but,,,,,,,it works i guess.....better with cobham though. but anyway john allways blows my mind and alot of people say jimi handrix was alot better than john, but technicaly john surpassed jimi when john was 17 years old. BUT! im not saying that jimi didnt have soul!!!! he had soul! but i tend to listen to john alot more than jimi,
NightTrainAntigua 4 years ago
I think it's because he kinda use 5 piece band in it also because they're both in 5. Man this is good shit though.
noonward 4 years ago
Jimi did make some good music, but that dosn't qualify him for all that "greatest guitar player in the world" bullshit. I'm getting really tired of seeing it and hearing it. John Mclaughlin can create amazing music, and he is one of the if not greatest guitar players there has ever been.
MahavishnuJM 4 years ago
i agree with mahavishu
NightTrainAntigua 4 years ago
You must not play guitar, or just not very good if you think Jimi Hendrix is better than John. Jimi Hendrix dosn't have anything on John except popularity. Hendrix sucks all he knows how to play is minor pentatonic scales and he can't even play them worth shit. John plays things that people can't even name.
MahavishnuJM 4 years ago
Well in the case of hendrix, you're totaly wrong...
hendrix was a musical genious... the way of his accopaniment is till today unreached, millions of great and always new licks can be found there, hendrix was a great composer and arrangeur.
He really loved music and you can hear it, well, you should hear it :> but I just want to mention, that jimi was a great guitarist and musician - doubtles, as doubtles as john is one of the world's greatest musicians too
buhisukeyu 4 years ago
The best guitar player ever other than jimmy hendrix
NightTrainAntigua 4 years ago
That sounds like the beat for Mother Tongues. From the Heart Of Things live in Paris.
MahavishnuJM 4 years ago
Those people don't even know what just hit them.
MahavishnuJM 4 years ago
THATS RIGHT
NightTrainAntigua 4 years ago
That crowd is totally clueless.
Extracelestial 4 years ago
This is ultimate, this is Mclaughlin actually fusing his fusion: he mixes his jazz and bebop influenced playing with a little bit of Shakti flame.
jacs91 4 years ago
Oh I forgot . . Pat Metheny was there too, though not featured on the dvd. He takes McLaughlin no doubt in my opinion.
FingerStyler15 4 years ago
I bet Pat has some doubt in your opinion.
OneBigRetard 4 years ago 2
I love you.
jacs91 4 years ago
I love that dude at the start with the sunglasses trying to nod his head to a 10/8 time signature.
lol I'm trying to figure out the pattern Chambers plays, he is truly one of the greats, so much groove, so much power.
Shavdebuz 4 years ago
yah i see him too......this is great ...just great.
MY599FERRARI 4 years ago
heh, what's so impossible about nodding your head to 10\8? 10\8 is a different way of saying 5\4. Head left and head right on every other beat and it turns around every 2 bars
jdean9 4 years ago
This is my all time favourite piece of music ever.
tallie84 4 years ago
JM is ALWAYS mindblowing. Most of the folk at Crossroads had no clue. Do you know how difficult this music is to play?
Chambers is my favorite drummer now. Too bad both Elvin and Tony are gone...
dorian411 4 years ago
John is a phenomenal guitarist who plays unusual scale combinations and asymmetric time patterns with great technical prowess. But all this is pointless if it does'nt appeal to the audience. People attend concerts to relax and have a nice time and, obviously, listen to some good music. John McLauglin has been giving his audience this kind of shit throughout his career.
vijaysequeira 4 years ago
Well, you know, it all depends what you call music. I call pissed-over shit that punk and nu metal stuff today, and many others would agree, but not necessarily everyone. John plays a different Jazz and just hapened to have the biggest talent in guitar history. To some (including me) those fast lines and wierd syncopation relaxes us, or excites us. That's what music is all about, and it's subjective.
jacs91 4 years ago
Aw, do you feel sorry the audience?
noonward 4 years ago
JM......COOL STUFF!
MY599FERRARI 4 years ago
Yeah, it would be ,uch better to condesend the etards and play 4/4 speed licks right???? Mclaughlin plays for himself and the gods. The proles can fuck off.
OneBigRetard 4 years ago
I agree the mix of musicians here is weird. You have Mclaughlin and Chambers who are almost perfect for each other then all of a sudden theres Zakir Hussein on tablas. It may look weird but the sound is awesome. Mclaughlin always knows exactly what he wants. and it always sounds great. He is the greatest guitar player, musical genius, and innovator of all time
MahavishnuJM 4 years ago
wait is that denis chambers on the drums??
gemydaloot 4 years ago
yes that is.
jrckr223 4 years ago
haha niceee... too bad half of the unwashed masses in the crowd did not have a slight clue as to what John was doing lol
gemydaloot 4 years ago
ok sorry
enjoy it
drumsmusic 4 years ago
ok
thanks for reply me
after all we can enjoy it
drumsmusic 4 years ago
Anyone, (anybody)out there knows when Elvin pass away ?¿ Just like John mentions, he is a big hero for me, I saw him playing in Chile, bleww my mind,i was raised as a classical musician, first time I heard Jazz, 10 years la ten years later, I was at Berklee College of Music, trying to figure ourt Jazz. I f someone knows , well.. i would apreciate, if u let me know Miguelanda
miguelanda 4 years ago
Elvin Jones died May 18th 2004.
bazonics 4 years ago
Thanks for the data, bazonic, if nobody answered to me till tomorrow, I was going to take a minute out of my life-time and look it up in google. Anyway, again, I do apreciatte u r concern. Migue anda
miguelanda 4 years ago
sorry to tabla sound is very poor.why drums sound is so high?this is very bad for our contry.this not a small contry if y want to show your drums, why your group invite my contry tabla player?
why?
why?
why?
he is our contry tabla player.
dont do next time
drumsmusic 5 years ago
Relax man, the the mix in this YouTube recording just isn't very good. Believe me, anyone who's watching this video knows who Zakir Hussein is, and we know he's the world's best tabla player. John invited him to perform with him for this event because the two of them are good friends and have played a lot of music together in the past. If you think John McLaughlin meant to disrespect Indian music, you should read a little more about John's career.
IGSXIII 4 years ago
Why is a supposed slight to Zakir a slight to India? I doubt if Johns mix was bad people in England would feel it was bad for national pride!! Besides, I think John has done more for Idian Music than any other westerner. More Power!
OneBigRetard 4 years ago
Absolutely superb. Yeah he was without a doubt the best guitarist at the festival. Check out the power when the drums kick in - marvellous! Thank's for posting. 5 stars * * * * *
Craigios 5 years ago
Dennis is the most kick ass drummer around...nobody else has grooves that thick and technical...whew...
<== going to change my shorts
aclstrat 5 years ago
Chambers has nothing on Elvin. Chambers is a big fat wanker. Loaded with chops, but has no taste whatsoever.
rudeass 3 years ago
You can hear someone in the crowd say "I have never seen anything like it." Check Mclaughlin's album with jones. Great stuff.
mcronrev 5 years ago
Elvin: I didn´t know that John had you as an idol. Well, I should know that everyone has... Will miss you tremendously.
perovaas 5 years ago
legend, legend, hare hare!
jazzlefty 5 years ago
I'm sure the rock oriented crowd must've been as bored as hell. They don't know that, aside from BB King, McLaughlin was the best guitarist on the Crossroads Festival...AND he is THE MOST technical. He even kicks Steve Vai's arse in terms of technique (he was also in the festival). Just listen to him PICK all the notes, even the sweep arpeggios are picked.
prasiddha 5 years ago 2
Man it's not even worth writing Vai's name, he can't even qualify in the top ten that MAY come close to licking McLaughlin's balls. He is Ultimate! He is God!
jacs91 4 years ago 3
Vai deserves for credit than he gets from the "jazz purists" or whatever you want to call yourself. He's a great player with phenomenal technique and a very unique voice. McLaughlin does beat him out, but I'd say he's past his balls. Eric Johnson was there too, he's got insane speed as well...
FingerStyler15 4 years ago
this tune is in 5/4 with some crazy modal 2:5:1 changes
aniamls 5 years ago
the drum groove is nuts!
kalakaboo 5 years ago