I have never had to reach a decision between God and Atheism. Atheism is the default. I did not have to make a decision between drinking bleach and not. Bleach is harmful. I did not consciously have to make that choice.
There have never been a known massacre "in the name of atheism." People often confuse dictators without faith as atheists, but while that is true, it was not their motivation for doing what they did. Those were ideology based atrocities unrelated to atheism.
I don't believe in unicorns, and committing crime in the name of NOT believing in unicorns is so utterly ridiculous. So anyone who says someone commits crime in the name of atheism need their heads checked.
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Soo, this is the way you demand respect???, Atheis is the most disrespectfull people i've ever met, not because telling me i live with god in my life or whatever they say, it's the fact that i have better grades than all of them, even if i can be better than every scientist in the world, even if i can resolve the world's problems, but for them i will always be a stupid ignorant, just because i live with god in my heart and life. So don't get mad if people say bad things about you.
@master1941 Actually, an atheist will accept it, so long as you accept it that you are ignorant. But you do have to think, why is the existence of a god continuously being proven false?
@master1941 Actually we are more mature then you think. We are not the ones who believe that God did not create war when he threatened Eve for not telling him the location of the hidden rebel base, by demonstrating this station's destructive power on your home planet of Alderaan.
@Boxanadu i agree that scientist are mature people but in science that is inmature is because if we compare the knowledge that is out there that we haven't got yet, and the want that we have got, it's the diference between the sky and the earth, i want science to make that statement after making the human race reach the space in spaceships with more information. of course when the lord made the people who wrote the bible watch those things about the future they didn't know how to explain, im jew
@thatamazinggeek gnostic atheists believe there is no god. agnostic atheists suspend judgment. I'd say calling god an imaginary friend makes you look pretty gnostic.
The term 'imaginary friend' is starting to get on my nerves, and I'm not even a theist. It sounds ignorant. You know the context of it is something known not to exist and imagined by one person, and that religions are "imagined" by several sources and can't be proven untrue. Yet you go on ranting this to each other like some fanatical gnostic cult, and wonder why people call it a religion? And you know the context of religion in this sense is belief, and atheism is a belief structure.
Atheism is not a religion most atheist if not all would convert if their was some tangible evidence that god exist but atheism is just the lack of belief in a high devine power (that's my description for it anways) I found it easier to think without worrying about doing something wrong (and I know the differnce between right and wrong)
Atheists typically believe that "evidence" has to be physical, rather than implied logically. They choose not to believe based on this question-begging assumption -- Webster's Next ed. Dictionary, entry on "belief," p. 124
Atheist -- someone who believes they know more than others because they believe in less.
If you ask a person who uses a hammer a question, don't be surprised if you get your answers in nails. The religious people have a hard time seeing that non religious people don't need thier bullshit. Even most of the questions they ask are framed in a religious way
@puncho33 How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
Then how can the atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@Airsicktitan He's not technically wrong, but he's manipulating words and encouraging people to be dipshits. Whether god exists or not, he's not an imaginary friend either, but they go on saying that because in their fucked up way of seeing it, he is. He's looking at religion as a framed belief structure with dogma or whatever. If you just look at religion as a stance you take towards divine and/or creation beliefs, atheism is the religion that states the others are wrong.
This guy must be a fcukin' retard. "Atheism is a religion too" is obviously refering to the evangelical behavour many atheists take part in. Thus, he fails to address the main issue to the matter.
If this isn't bad enough. One thing we know for sure, IT WILL NEVER EVER BE POSSIBLE TO PROVE LACK OF GOD. The religious crackpots at least got a potential to prove their point of view.
Atheism is a Religion, because you believe, you have faith there is no God without proof. When you die, it is only then you see the truth.
Go back to the definition of faith. Faith is believing in something without proof. Religion is a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith. Atheism is defined as the doctrine or belief that there is no God. Therefore Atheism is a religion.
You lack basic critical thinking skills. You're liberal arts teacher failed you, because there's an art to being liberal. You need to go back to definitions.
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Atheism isn't the lack of a religion. Atheism is the belief that there's no deity, it is your doctrine that you hold without proof ergo your religion.
@Twilightifyable It is not my responsibility to provide "proof" that a god doesn't exist, it is a THEIST'S responsibility to provide proof that a god does exist. THEY are the ones making a positive claim about its existence, I'm just saying 'I don't buy it', and trust me, science is overwhelmingly on my side, not theirs.
Claiming that I have a "religion" reveals the depth of your ignorance, and renders the word 'religion' meaningless. Talk about "critical thinking".
@ejdf870 Putting the burden of proof on theists doesn't make you right. you don't have to prove something to believe in it. why are you stating that either side needs proved? what's the point in that? and without looking in the dictionary, most people believe religion is defined as your belief structure regarding religion. It's not called areligionism, it's called aTHEISM. Without GOD. A religious statement.
@ejdf870 That's a clever analogy, but when someone asks you your religion it's a completely different question than when they ask what your hobby is. You may or may not have a hobby, but anyone who's reached a decision in the matter has a religious viewpoint, and that's what they're really asking. In your analogy, it's like asking someone how they feel about collecting stamps and they say they have no opinion because they don't collect them, but their opinion is they don't want to collect them.
Life isnt fair, if you believe in god you think life is fair. Cancer is fair, rape is good, religon and belief in god is not helping humanity move forward. Ban religon.
It appears to me we're not that much different in beliefs. Sounds to me like you're respectful, at least, of Eastern metaphysics. Likewise, I am heavily into Taoist teachings and I back up my Christian beliefs with Taoist logic concerning the union of opposites. I also agree that the Essenes likely taught Taoist teachings to Jesus as part of his education.
I believe in something along the line of what you call god… consciousness, emotions, feelings, that inner voice that we all have. I don’t like to use the word god because it separates me from it and I prefer to be one with it. The main difference between us is that you view god as an outside human like being that in some way your master or creator. I view source energy (god) as an inner force that’s in my 24/7.
I also think Jesus was a normal human, son of Mary and Joseph not some ghost. The virgin birth part I do not believe, sorry but that's too far out for me, especial when only one source claims it and most other claim against it. If 10 people around the world have a vote and it comes back 8/2 I'll probabaly believe the majority. Jesus had a message of love and unity not wars, hate and dismissing other religions with terror. There's so much hate and fear in the Bible it's not even funny.
@Redcaster916 Religious wars, like any war, are due to misunderstandings. That's more a worldly outgrowth of egos and alliances, not spirituality. Do religions invite divisiveness? Yes. But these divisions should be taken as a spiritual -- not in a worldly sense. Obviously, religions aren't about this world, but the hopeful next. So whenever someone causes a worldly conflict due to a religious belief, these people are truly unenlightened. Even the Koran advises not to fight Allah's battles.
@Redcaster916 For those who choose spirituality, but find it difficult: religions offer hope. The only people who fear religion are those who deny God completely. These people imagine that the fire of Hell would be the body in flames, not the spirit. Religion is all about the spirit. The body is only the worldly self. Do you deny the spirit? If you do, I'd like to hear your theories on consciousness?
@namesameasu thoughts, emotions, awareness are all none physical, yet they're part of you. You can't touch them but you know they're there, that would be a good definition of god, spirit or anything along those lines. I love this quote by Lincoln "When I do bad I feel bad when I do good I feel good and that's my religion". Those negative and positive feeling are not just feeling, when you learn to listen to them you become one with them.
@namesameasu I disagree with your that we should somehow try to limit our bodly pleasures, I think consciousness is all about explore and experience in every possible way, physical as well as spiritual. We have free will but most people don't realize that when you choose to do something bad you're feeling bad about it is (god) telling you that it's bad and that's your compass to a happy life. The less you feel bad the more you'll be happy, if you're happy 24/7 you're one with god. It's awsome
@Redcaster916 What causes the realistic expression of imagination, and why are scientists unable to duplicate another person's first-hand thoughts in a laboratory? Do these also not exist?
@Redcaster916 By the way, the reason I'm a Christian now is that I believe that Jesus Christ was a necessary expression of God's grace. Christ supposedly died for our sins. His doing so is the Christian manifestation that enlightenment is accomplished by faith, not deeds. You either believe or are enslaved by worldly concerns. Altho good deeds are important, they should be done from a spirutal sense, not egoistically. The deed, then, would be most truly inspired, and resonate most meaningfully.
@namesameasu Jesus was a expression of god's grace, yes but so are we all. Jesus is mentioned in some ancient Buddhist texts, many say that he learned meditation (way to know god) before he was 30, that's why the Bible doesn't cover it. Yes Jesus knew more than most of his time but I don't think he was born of a virgin or was any different than we are, I think he was the son of Mary and Jospeh. God had nothing to do with it because source energy doesn't interfeer that way. lol
@namesameasu I don't think Jesus died for OUR sins....what are sins? some priest wrote up a list and now 2 billion people follow that list? I don't believe in sins, hell of ethernal punishment, I don't believe in any outside "god", demons or devils. I do believe in karma, law of attraction and source energy....what goes around comes around....every single time :) I believe in reincarnation, past lifes, and life being lessosn/experiences for the soul.
@namesameasu to best describe god I would say pure love energy, absolutely nothing but 100% pure love. The more you dish it out the more comes back to you, the more comes to you the better you feel, the better you feel the better life experience you'll have. Being one with it is like pure nirvana, a none physical mental state undescrible with words. Take a look at real human near or after death experiences, don't matter what the religion it's always white pure light at the end of the tunnel.
@Redcaster916 At any rate, the biggest divide between you and I consist of your belief that Christians fear Hell, and that feelings and bodily pleasures are always good things. In philosophy, there's a well known
thought experiment of Bernard Williams' of a Pleasure Machine that serves as a counterexample. Can a Pleasure Machine be accurately thought of as good if it truly provides 24/7 pleasure to the user, yet at the same time it unnoticably, yet actively, irreversibly wears down the body?
@Redcaster916 One feeling you seem to ignore, though, is lust. This is one of those 7 deadly sins you may have heard of -- not necessarily a Christian idea. The lustful person may even experience bodily pleasures at times when her lusts are fulfilled. Hopefully then, the lust will mature into love. Even though, even then, lusts may impractically lead a 50 year old man, for example, choose the 22 year old for his bride, rather than a 42 year old woman who may also want the title.
@Redcaster916 At any rate, as you probably know, lust is difficult to control. It's sinful because it's impractical and tends to harm. Unlike love, it seems to advance, and further suffering, when the lust is unreciprocated. I know of a person who actually thought of suicide once when her lusts were unreciprocated. She's suspicious of psychiatry, I regret to say. She does have a craving for Christianity, tho, and her thoughts of doing service for the "Lord" relieves her from her mental pain
@Redcaster916 I guess the problem for her with psychiatry is that whereas psychiatry says something is wrong with HER, Christianity says we're ALL born sinners -- in other words, prone to prioritizing body over spirit. So, in that regard, the universality of Christianity's "condemnation" may be a positive thing. As I've said, Christians focus on the hopeful salvation message, and hell is typically what most born again Christians have already personally experienced.
@Redcaster916 As for Christian wars and the virgin birth, I've also already discussed these and don't see the necessity to add to what I've said -- basically, wars fought from religion stem from unenlightened believers (confusing the worldly with the metaphysical). There's also no need to take all the Bible literally especially when it doesn't add to Jesus' message of the Sermon on the Mount [the only direct account of Christ speaking before a large group].
@namesameasu yes we do think alike on many points. Christianity may say that we are born sinners but I do not believe in that, I think the body is like a conductor of physicality, it's purpose is to use your 5 senses and experiment, experience life as much as you can. I strongly believe that the Bible is 100% written by humans with the intention of controling masses. The church, politics and kings aren't stupid and know how the system works in their favor.
I have a philosophy degree. I can out-debate you on this topic any day of the week, You've chosen the side of the dimwitted -- applying common sense to supernatural concerns. That's not my fault.
Maybe someday you'll wise up. I have hope. In fact, I'll pray on it.
@namesameasu really I have a Psychology degree in 4 languages, I highly doubt you can out-debate anyone on this topic. It's not about ego but about nonsense that written in the Bible by 1st century pesents who though their village is the end of the world. You have a degree in philosophy yet you think adam and eve populated 6 Billion strong in 6K years. Is that degree from kindergarden or are you this brainwashed that FACT don't get through your head. Debate me, I dare you.
@Redcaster916 Should I call you Dr. Watson, as in John Watson who mentally abused his own children? Psychology was derived from philosophy, so philosophy is the more fundamental art. The fact that you know 4 languages is irrelevant. You only need one language to debate, and your applying other languages into one would only serve as a distraction, and thus fallacious.
@Redcaster916 The idea behind Adam and Eve is original sin -- namely, prioritizing the wants of the body rather than that of spirit causes suffering.
A lot of the BIble is metaphorical, and its purpose is to serve as a channel between God and humanity. Many believers conclude that God isn't necessarily God's word verbatim, but His word as interpreted by and adjusted for human limitations. I would agree.
@Redcaster916 Do you wish to debate the Bible, or simply the existence of God? As you know, the video's speaker discredits God in general. So what's your belief on God?
@namesameasu Christianity is based on FEAR, you either follow it or you go to hell. If that doesn't ring a bell of how false it is that I don't know what will. Bible speaks of a loving god yet through its history there's been noting but war pushing another war. Now in the 21st century we'll have another religious war, and so it continues. Priests fucking little boys is a result of the Bible stupid regulations. Man have a penis for a reason, holding back natures laws is not possible.
@namesameasu Now if we start poking at the scientific discoveries that prove the Bible to be wrong we can have a 2 day conversation. For Ex. In the 1st century people though sickness is caused by demons, than we learned about bacteria and that demon theory went out the window, tsunamis were though to be the wrath of god than we learned that it's earth platetonic. I could go on and on disproving the Bible.
@Redcaster916 Well, it looks like you want to debate the Bible, which isn't my main concern. For instance, you may not believe in the Bible, but still believe in a God-figure. The beliefs aren't mutually exclusive. The guy in the video doesn't believe in any God at all. Would you fall into this category?
@Redcaster916 However, what I mean by original sin is that the body wants things. Take note that I use the word "want" and not "need." The body needs things, as well, and these needs need to be satisfied. But the body wants things, as well. The body gives one's spiritual self a vantage point. It seems to me that the more the body craves, the spiritual focus can no longer see the forest for the tree -- the latter of which is one's vantage point.
@Redcaster916 However, spirituality allows one's focus to naturally expand beyond one's selfish bodily wants. The BIble is just a channel to help one to do so. Should it be taken literally -- no. Does it imply the right direction?: yes. So does the Tao te Ching, for that matter. And I imagine so does the Koran, when you divide it from Shiria law.
@Redcaster916 Free will is the idea that one can choose to prioritize the spiritual over the physical. Hell is for those who choose not to. The Bible and churches are there to help those who choose to, but find it difficult -- probably due to genetic dispositions. Hell would be a spiritual place just like heaven. Imagine being stuck with one's ego and selfish bodily wants for all of eternity, unsatisfiable [as they all become], without a spiritual alternative.
well first of all i would like to point out that you misspelled Religion, and second of all what if God was an alien hmm? If the greys were actually beings who made us believe all that stuff and the so called miracles were performed by these extraterrestrial beings? It's a possibily since we aren't the center of the universe and we aren't the most superior beings in the universe. All the world's religions were made up by aliens to test us IMO
Dude, You don't get it. God is not a person or an imaginary friend. God is a cosmic energy that exists in and as your own energetic system. The deeper you go into a scientific exploration of that inner energetic system, the deeper you come into contact with and experience that cosmic energy that is the source of YOUR LIFE. You are stuck in your mind. The cosmic exists outside the realm of the mind in the realm of BEING. Tantra is the science of inner exploration. Look into it.
Actually, it's theism that is the belief in nothing. We ask where is this god, you reply he exists outside our visible relm so we can't see him. You claim he talks to you all the time, but if we ask you to have him talk to you while we are present, suddenly he can't be heard. It is YOUR claim that an invisible sky man created everything out of nothing just by speaking it. Get your facts straight
you have no life guy.. your thoughts on religion are compleatly unreal.
it seems that not believing in anything (which what i feel Atheism really is), could be classified as a religion. if you believe enough in nothing, then all thats left is believing that you don't believe enough.. did it make sense at all? lol :-P
religious ppl have banged on about that to me sayin atheism if a religion or a belief,
to shut them up, iv just said explain How it is a religion or a belief,
they cart answer, or just come out with some bull, they just try and say atheists are delusional, but hows that if we dont believe, then How are We Delusional.
im the Ultimate Atheist, God is the Delusion God is the lie, u believers believe the lie, your Delusional ppl u believers........ this is a message 4 the room
You people are so clueless. If you didn't believe in God then you just wouldn't believe. You wouldn't be talking about believers, you would just live your life and mind your own business.What do you care about people's beliefs. How is it affecting you.
The video title isn´t true, the doctor Jhon Nash (beautiful mind movie) had a lot of imaginary friends, and the worse, his mental disease don´t has known causes of any kind (pathogenic, physiological or genetic).
@Leivinn20 actually religion comes from schizophrenia. read the origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind by julian jaynes. very interesting. people really heard god's voice. in the early human history everyone was schizophrenic
@brownbigb in fact, it´s really a very simple issue: what is the human conscience?, - is this a result from brain particles movements?, or is the human conscience autonomous and the particles are capable to intelligent moves by them self?. Keep in mind, the first step of science method in the observation. By the way, the atheists have "invisible friends" too.
@Leivinn20 could you point out those invisible friends for atheists? is conscience tied to the brain? i am yet to meet one without a brain that had conscience.
@Leivinn20 that is invisible friends of schizophrenics. not atheists. theists have invisible riends because they are theists. how do atheists have imaginary friends because they are atheists? what brain particle movements? are you talking about the atoms in the brain? then it is contingent on hving a brain.
I don't like it when people generalize other like how he explained that theists cannot imagine no religion. This comment has nothing to do with the theism versus atheism debate, I'm commenting on his personality. I know many people who are religious who do understand my views.
you or anyone else has no right, and 2) didnt christainity get persecuted etc back in the ages, people were mocked and killed etc...basically you are hypoctically going against everything that they stood for, in doing the same to other people under different criteria!
if they carbon dated the shroud and it came out to be jesus then im sure people would believe it and questions would be answered. If they carbon dated it and it wasnt religious ppl would still be in denial...what does that tell you?
What they THINK is noahs ark has been discovered, that could infact be anything!
It doesnt make a difference to me at all tbh, what does make a difference is that religious ppl tell everyone else theyre wrong and they need help, when really it could be thm tht nd it!
my point here is religious people dont think critically, they idolise especially something as emotionally charged as 'god' to get away from the harshness of life, in which something that may otherwise be classed as totally imaginary, may break down, withdrawing religious people from real world to a more satisfactory world. If thats waht they want to do then fine, im not against it, but dont brainwash others and tell others theyre going to hell or theyre satanic when
see thats it right there...your confusing fantasy with reality, you dont know anything, neither does anyone else, just because you believe something it doesnt make it true. For you it may but for everyone else it doesnt because everyone is different. If you think youve seen jeses and a glimpse of heaven n all that then good for you, what the guy in the vid is saying is share that with ur christian friends instead of telling everyone else theyre wrong and going to hell!
You have seen jesus and god, blablabla. There are also people who have seen allah, ghosts, aliens, and so on. I'm pretty sure there are some people who claim they are the reincarnation of thor.
You know what all of these have in common? All of these people sincerely believe in what they have seen, it's their personal experience. Yet none of these people can give conclusive evidence for their experiences.
To both of you, ad hominems will never get you anywhere.
You can believe whatever you like, its no skin off my nose.
Oh by the way ghosts and aliens are nothing more than demon spirits.
This may surprise you but im not trying to, "get anywhere" as you put it. It really makes no difference to me what you believe.........the difference is to you, not me.
ways into trying to convert others by creating emotional hooks, now, whatever you believe it is extremely unfair and i believe this is the message this video is trying to put across! so i dont think hes an idiot, hes just very passionate about his own personal conviction, if your calling him an idiot, then you might as well call every religious person an ididot when they start preaching their personal convictions!
thats ur opinion, your to blind sighted liek everyother religious person to open your mind to an opposing point of view...and this is precisely what the msg of his video is, however he goes further to suggest yreligious ppl keep their views to themselves, if they want to believe it its fine but keep it to urself, everyone is an individual with their own belief system, trying to make others believe the same based on your own ideology is ignorant. This guy is speaking on behalf of atheism.
the 15th century, the church werent having any of it. They believe in something and dont let any other possible belief system in. The world and the people in it are opening up to other types of systems like, spiritualism, atheism and so forth, and the church brand all of them demonic...who the hell r they to say that! They are humans like everyone else, they aint special (although they believe they are)! They are one of a worldwide group that interfere with politics and try to project their
The Church is correct to brand spiritism demonic. There are NO spirits of the dead floating around. The spirits people are talking to are demon spirits. That is why Necromancy was specifically forbidden in the bible.
As for atheism, that was invented by Satan to trick people into disqualifying themselves from, the Kingdom of God.
who is the church to brand anything? they have no right! as do anyone else that tries to brand anything about religion! How do you know what spirits people are talking to? how do the church? the answer is you dont, you dont even know if such spirits exist! ur basing your comments and views probably on what you were taught growing up! if you took the time to read some literature on the subject or FACTUAL research then you may learn a bit about it, instead of placing ur brain washed views!
if you know alot more than i think then why ar eyou not as open minded as someone 'sat on the fence' would be. Your blind sighted by what you have been preached and just because someone else has told you, or the bible has said do this, or a priest has, or just because its your own personal conviction doesnt mean its right! that in itself is arrogance demonstrated right there. I consider myself open minded, and what you constantly find is an unwillingness from any religion is they wont accept!
explanations, however throught their own narrowmindedness (and i use that word because they certainly arent open minded) they chose not to accept anything else. Take the church for example...when anything is disproved they try to 'hush it up' prime example, the shroud of turin back in the 90's, they were saying it was THE burial cloth of christ, yet when science intervened and conducted carbon dating and found it to contain blood stains dating back to
THe Shroud of Turin is the burial cloth of Jesus. The image was made by a bright light when he rose from the dead.
The part they carbon dated was a medieval repair done after the fire, hence the 15th century date. That is a fact, even the scientist that did the radiocarbon dating on it has stated that its not accurate because the part he dated was a repair and not a part of the original cloth.
I know its real because of the face on it. Its Jesus.
I didnt know about the scientist bit so thats new to me but how can you say you 'know its jesus, its his face', how do you know what jesus looked like? your basing it all on your ideology of what he looked like and the way the church idolises him, which isnt fact!
Even if the part they did carbon dating on was a repair, where is the cloth now? why not let science do carbon dating on a part that wasnt repaired? they wont because thre scared!
I dont know how i know its him, i looked at the face i just knew it was him.......
As it happens i have seen him but i didnt see his face.
As far as i know the church wont allow them to carbon date the inner part because it would damage the image, damaging a holy image is considered Sacrilege
Watch the documentary, its a fascinating watch.
The spear of destiny is a fake but the shroud is genuine.
sacrilege by whose opinion? the churches? ..a clear demonstration that the church thinks they are above everything! Y not put an end to the debate and say yh we believe it is here you go do what you want and see for yourself, but they wont! If they wanted everyone to believe and be converted they would do it, instead of being martyrs anf persuing the constand battle of ppl having to take their word for it. and yeah ill take a look at that documentary!
For me...this has just hit the nail on the head! Im a third yr pscyhology student doing my dissertation on imaginary friends in childhood and religiousness in adulthood...exploring the connection (if any) but this is what im directing at (maybe not as biased though)! But cracking video!
that would be one way of saying what u think...if you think about it critically though, there is an element of truth in it! Ppl that follow religion do project their beliefs and feelings onto others saying (basically everything hes saying in the vid) and im probably one of millions that have experienced it. If they want to believe the bible its fine, thats their choice, but they dont have to brainwash others. Religion is a belief system, nothing more nothing less, with many possible
I think Dr. Ray was using the term religionists instead of the usual theists so that he would not distinguish any particular religion. Their all nuts.
I do get his point though and mostly agree when it comes to religions that include gods. I'm just saying that where he speaks of all "religionists" like they had deities (or imaginary friends) even when this is not really the case.
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If the world was all atheists, there would be no laws, because if they ever commited a crime like rape, the criminal would say "it was only my animal instinct", so that criminal would not get jailed because that would be breaching his animal rights.
You have no basis for making that claim. Atheistic countries are doing far better than the US when it comes to murder rates, teen abortions etc.
Generally, loads of studies have shown that the worship of a deity generally correlates with all these negative effects.
If someone told me that, I wouldn't care and throw his ass in jail anyway because what he did was detrimental to society. Ppl don't need a celestial dictatot to distinguish right from wrong
Also here are two vidoes debunking your bigotry. You are a christian I assume, but a pathetic one at it. Putting yourself on a pedistal as if you are somehow better than the ones not buying in to your religion. As if the belief in something defines everything you are.
The videos, as much for everybod else as for Highlander..
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Atheism is a godless religion, the worship of humanism. atheists are their own gods, they choose their own moral values. they believe they are animals, and this idea is comforting for them to persue their sinful desires.
I am an agnostic, but I still believe abortion is the killing of a human being. I believe it's a human being based on science, not religion. One can make the argument that it's justified homicide because the embryo or fetus (ie, human being) is in the woman's body. But I still don't think it's moral.
I do not want to get into an abortion debate. I'm just making it known that agnostics and atheists can also be against abortion.
I have never had to reach a decision between God and Atheism. Atheism is the default. I did not have to make a decision between drinking bleach and not. Bleach is harmful. I did not consciously have to make that choice.
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There have never been a known massacre "in the name of atheism." People often confuse dictators without faith as atheists, but while that is true, it was not their motivation for doing what they did. Those were ideology based atrocities unrelated to atheism.
I don't believe in unicorns, and committing crime in the name of NOT believing in unicorns is so utterly ridiculous. So anyone who says someone commits crime in the name of atheism need their heads checked.
Atheism is no religion.
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JezusSlave 1 month ago
atheisme is lack of belive in a god ,
religion mean religarer in latin meaning to be attach ,being bound to so we atheist are not attach or bound with anything
mystisme 2 months ago
Too simple. Not all religions have "imaginary friends".
narco73 7 months ago
@narco73
there are islam religion , far from defimation
there is Only One creator for this universe , i think this is the most reasonable and logic thought about god
omimh2 3 months ago
@omimh2 Well you would have to show that the universe is created by a god first, before guessing as to how many there are.
narco73 3 months ago
Soo, this is the way you demand respect???, Atheis is the most disrespectfull people i've ever met, not because telling me i live with god in my life or whatever they say, it's the fact that i have better grades than all of them, even if i can be better than every scientist in the world, even if i can resolve the world's problems, but for them i will always be a stupid ignorant, just because i live with god in my heart and life. So don't get mad if people say bad things about you.
master1941 7 months ago
@master1941 Actually, an atheist will accept it, so long as you accept it that you are ignorant. But you do have to think, why is the existence of a god continuously being proven false?
Boxanadu 5 months ago
@Boxanadu Because Science is still inmature, that's why the existence of the lord isn't that crazy.
master1941 5 months ago
@master1941 Actually we are more mature then you think. We are not the ones who believe that God did not create war when he threatened Eve for not telling him the location of the hidden rebel base, by demonstrating this station's destructive power on your home planet of Alderaan.
Boxanadu 5 months ago
@Boxanadu i agree that scientist are mature people but in science that is inmature is because if we compare the knowledge that is out there that we haven't got yet, and the want that we have got, it's the diference between the sky and the earth, i want science to make that statement after making the human race reach the space in spaceships with more information. of course when the lord made the people who wrote the bible watch those things about the future they didn't know how to explain, im jew
master1941 5 months ago
@master1941 There is no such thing as immature science.
Boxanadu 5 months ago
@Boxanadu Because you haven't read enough books.
master1941 5 months ago
@master1941 Oh really? My parents think I have too many.
Boxanadu 5 months ago
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@Boxanadu Then you have read the wrong books
master1941 5 months ago
@thatamazinggeek gnostic atheists believe there is no god. agnostic atheists suspend judgment. I'd say calling god an imaginary friend makes you look pretty gnostic.
JasonHouston77 8 months ago
@EpicExcellence imagined by who?
JasonHouston77 8 months ago
The term 'imaginary friend' is starting to get on my nerves, and I'm not even a theist. It sounds ignorant. You know the context of it is something known not to exist and imagined by one person, and that religions are "imagined" by several sources and can't be proven untrue. Yet you go on ranting this to each other like some fanatical gnostic cult, and wonder why people call it a religion? And you know the context of religion in this sense is belief, and atheism is a belief structure.
JasonHouston77 8 months ago
well put!!
puncho33 8 months ago
Religion is a sympton of the bad trait in humman nature. i find eithist preachy as religious people.
ScionLo 8 months ago
Atheism is not a religion most atheist if not all would convert if their was some tangible evidence that god exist but atheism is just the lack of belief in a high devine power (that's my description for it anways) I found it easier to think without worrying about doing something wrong (and I know the differnce between right and wrong)
kysmelmonge 8 months ago
Atheists typically believe that "evidence" has to be physical, rather than implied logically. They choose not to believe based on this question-begging assumption -- Webster's Next ed. Dictionary, entry on "belief," p. 124
Atheist -- someone who believes they know more than others because they believe in less.
Scribner's Devil's Dictionary, vol. 1B, p. 49
namesameasu 9 months ago
If you ask a person who uses a hammer a question, don't be surprised if you get your answers in nails. The religious people have a hard time seeing that non religious people don't need thier bullshit. Even most of the questions they ask are framed in a religious way
flubno 9 months ago
This guy is wrong. Atheism is a religion because you truely have to believe something doesnt exsist. Hence TRUELY HAVE TO BELIEVE.
Airsicktitan 10 months ago
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puncho33 8 months ago
@puncho33 What deffines a religion is faith. You have faith that a God does not exsist, therefore it is a religion.
Airsicktitan 8 months ago
@puncho33 How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 8 months ago
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Then how can the atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 8 months ago
@Airsicktitan He's not technically wrong, but he's manipulating words and encouraging people to be dipshits. Whether god exists or not, he's not an imaginary friend either, but they go on saying that because in their fucked up way of seeing it, he is. He's looking at religion as a framed belief structure with dogma or whatever. If you just look at religion as a stance you take towards divine and/or creation beliefs, atheism is the religion that states the others are wrong.
JasonHouston77 8 months ago
@thatamazinggeek
Yep, good logic there by the religous. How about all the christians Japanese. Did they deserve to die for some cruel test. Its so backwards.
benaberry 10 months ago
This guy must be a fcukin' retard. "Atheism is a religion too" is obviously refering to the evangelical behavour many atheists take part in. Thus, he fails to address the main issue to the matter.
If this isn't bad enough. One thing we know for sure, IT WILL NEVER EVER BE POSSIBLE TO PROVE LACK OF GOD. The religious crackpots at least got a potential to prove their point of view.
Vocalallusive 10 months ago
Atheism is a Religion, because you believe, you have faith there is no God without proof. When you die, it is only then you see the truth.
Go back to the definition of faith. Faith is believing in something without proof. Religion is a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith. Atheism is defined as the doctrine or belief that there is no God. Therefore Atheism is a religion.
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Allen West 2012
Twilightifyable 11 months ago
If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby.
ejdf870 11 months ago
@ejdf870
You lack basic critical thinking skills. You're liberal arts teacher failed you, because there's an art to being liberal. You need to go back to definitions.
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Atheism isn't the lack of a religion. Atheism is the belief that there's no deity, it is your doctrine that you hold without proof ergo your religion.
Twilightifyable 11 months ago
@Twilightifyable It is not my responsibility to provide "proof" that a god doesn't exist, it is a THEIST'S responsibility to provide proof that a god does exist. THEY are the ones making a positive claim about its existence, I'm just saying 'I don't buy it', and trust me, science is overwhelmingly on my side, not theirs.
Claiming that I have a "religion" reveals the depth of your ignorance, and renders the word 'religion' meaningless. Talk about "critical thinking".
ejdf870 10 months ago
@ejdf870 Putting the burden of proof on theists doesn't make you right. you don't have to prove something to believe in it. why are you stating that either side needs proved? what's the point in that? and without looking in the dictionary, most people believe religion is defined as your belief structure regarding religion. It's not called areligionism, it's called aTHEISM. Without GOD. A religious statement.
JasonHouston77 8 months ago
@ejdf870 That's a clever analogy, but when someone asks you your religion it's a completely different question than when they ask what your hobby is. You may or may not have a hobby, but anyone who's reached a decision in the matter has a religious viewpoint, and that's what they're really asking. In your analogy, it's like asking someone how they feel about collecting stamps and they say they have no opinion because they don't collect them, but their opinion is they don't want to collect them.
JasonHouston77 8 months ago
Life isnt fair, if you believe in god you think life is fair. Cancer is fair, rape is good, religon and belief in god is not helping humanity move forward. Ban religon.
benaberry 11 months ago
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Redcaster916 1 year ago
It appears to me we're not that much different in beliefs. Sounds to me like you're respectful, at least, of Eastern metaphysics. Likewise, I am heavily into Taoist teachings and I back up my Christian beliefs with Taoist logic concerning the union of opposites. I also agree that the Essenes likely taught Taoist teachings to Jesus as part of his education.
namesameasu 1 year ago
I believe in something along the line of what you call god… consciousness, emotions, feelings, that inner voice that we all have. I don’t like to use the word god because it separates me from it and I prefer to be one with it. The main difference between us is that you view god as an outside human like being that in some way your master or creator. I view source energy (god) as an inner force that’s in my 24/7.
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I also think Jesus was a normal human, son of Mary and Joseph not some ghost. The virgin birth part I do not believe, sorry but that's too far out for me, especial when only one source claims it and most other claim against it. If 10 people around the world have a vote and it comes back 8/2 I'll probabaly believe the majority. Jesus had a message of love and unity not wars, hate and dismissing other religions with terror. There's so much hate and fear in the Bible it's not even funny.
Redcaster916 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 I imagine that would be eternal fire of Hell. You see? No need to put the horns on the Devil and
the fork in his hand.
namesameasu 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 Religious wars, like any war, are due to misunderstandings. That's more a worldly outgrowth of egos and alliances, not spirituality. Do religions invite divisiveness? Yes. But these divisions should be taken as a spiritual -- not in a worldly sense. Obviously, religions aren't about this world, but the hopeful next. So whenever someone causes a worldly conflict due to a religious belief, these people are truly unenlightened. Even the Koran advises not to fight Allah's battles.
namesameasu 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 For those who choose spirituality, but find it difficult: religions offer hope. The only people who fear religion are those who deny God completely. These people imagine that the fire of Hell would be the body in flames, not the spirit. Religion is all about the spirit. The body is only the worldly self. Do you deny the spirit? If you do, I'd like to hear your theories on consciousness?
namesameasu 1 year ago
@namesameasu thoughts, emotions, awareness are all none physical, yet they're part of you. You can't touch them but you know they're there, that would be a good definition of god, spirit or anything along those lines. I love this quote by Lincoln "When I do bad I feel bad when I do good I feel good and that's my religion". Those negative and positive feeling are not just feeling, when you learn to listen to them you become one with them.
Redcaster916 1 year ago
@namesameasu I disagree with your that we should somehow try to limit our bodly pleasures, I think consciousness is all about explore and experience in every possible way, physical as well as spiritual. We have free will but most people don't realize that when you choose to do something bad you're feeling bad about it is (god) telling you that it's bad and that's your compass to a happy life. The less you feel bad the more you'll be happy, if you're happy 24/7 you're one with god. It's awsome
Redcaster916 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 What causes the realistic expression of imagination, and why are scientists unable to duplicate another person's first-hand thoughts in a laboratory? Do these also not exist?
namesameasu 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 By the way, the reason I'm a Christian now is that I believe that Jesus Christ was a necessary expression of God's grace. Christ supposedly died for our sins. His doing so is the Christian manifestation that enlightenment is accomplished by faith, not deeds. You either believe or are enslaved by worldly concerns. Altho good deeds are important, they should be done from a spirutal sense, not egoistically. The deed, then, would be most truly inspired, and resonate most meaningfully.
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@namesameasu Jesus was a expression of god's grace, yes but so are we all. Jesus is mentioned in some ancient Buddhist texts, many say that he learned meditation (way to know god) before he was 30, that's why the Bible doesn't cover it. Yes Jesus knew more than most of his time but I don't think he was born of a virgin or was any different than we are, I think he was the son of Mary and Jospeh. God had nothing to do with it because source energy doesn't interfeer that way. lol
Redcaster916 1 year ago
@namesameasu I don't think Jesus died for OUR sins....what are sins? some priest wrote up a list and now 2 billion people follow that list? I don't believe in sins, hell of ethernal punishment, I don't believe in any outside "god", demons or devils. I do believe in karma, law of attraction and source energy....what goes around comes around....every single time :) I believe in reincarnation, past lifes, and life being lessosn/experiences for the soul.
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@namesameasu to best describe god I would say pure love energy, absolutely nothing but 100% pure love. The more you dish it out the more comes back to you, the more comes to you the better you feel, the better you feel the better life experience you'll have. Being one with it is like pure nirvana, a none physical mental state undescrible with words. Take a look at real human near or after death experiences, don't matter what the religion it's always white pure light at the end of the tunnel.
Redcaster916 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 At any rate, the biggest divide between you and I consist of your belief that Christians fear Hell, and that feelings and bodily pleasures are always good things. In philosophy, there's a well known
thought experiment of Bernard Williams' of a Pleasure Machine that serves as a counterexample. Can a Pleasure Machine be accurately thought of as good if it truly provides 24/7 pleasure to the user, yet at the same time it unnoticably, yet actively, irreversibly wears down the body?
namesameasu 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 One feeling you seem to ignore, though, is lust. This is one of those 7 deadly sins you may have heard of -- not necessarily a Christian idea. The lustful person may even experience bodily pleasures at times when her lusts are fulfilled. Hopefully then, the lust will mature into love. Even though, even then, lusts may impractically lead a 50 year old man, for example, choose the 22 year old for his bride, rather than a 42 year old woman who may also want the title.
namesameasu 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 At any rate, as you probably know, lust is difficult to control. It's sinful because it's impractical and tends to harm. Unlike love, it seems to advance, and further suffering, when the lust is unreciprocated. I know of a person who actually thought of suicide once when her lusts were unreciprocated. She's suspicious of psychiatry, I regret to say. She does have a craving for Christianity, tho, and her thoughts of doing service for the "Lord" relieves her from her mental pain
namesameasu 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 I guess the problem for her with psychiatry is that whereas psychiatry says something is wrong with HER, Christianity says we're ALL born sinners -- in other words, prone to prioritizing body over spirit. So, in that regard, the universality of Christianity's "condemnation" may be a positive thing. As I've said, Christians focus on the hopeful salvation message, and hell is typically what most born again Christians have already personally experienced.
namesameasu 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 As for Christian wars and the virgin birth, I've also already discussed these and don't see the necessity to add to what I've said -- basically, wars fought from religion stem from unenlightened believers (confusing the worldly with the metaphysical). There's also no need to take all the Bible literally especially when it doesn't add to Jesus' message of the Sermon on the Mount [the only direct account of Christ speaking before a large group].
namesameasu 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 One final note, though, the earliest gospels testifying about Jesus were likely written 30 years after Christ's death, not 100.
namesameasu 1 year ago
@namesameasu yes we do think alike on many points. Christianity may say that we are born sinners but I do not believe in that, I think the body is like a conductor of physicality, it's purpose is to use your 5 senses and experiment, experience life as much as you can. I strongly believe that the Bible is 100% written by humans with the intention of controling masses. The church, politics and kings aren't stupid and know how the system works in their favor.
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This guy's wrong. Atheists do have imaginary friends: themselves -- ironically, their own worst enemy.
Ego is the number one deterent against faith.
namesameasu 1 year ago
@namesameasu I'm atheist, I have imaginary friends, not myself. They are great :]
DoNotLaughAtMe 1 year ago
@namesameasu damn you're a moron......got to school my friend and get some real education.
Redcaster916 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 Do you type anywhere near a mirror?
I have a philosophy degree. I can out-debate you on this topic any day of the week, You've chosen the side of the dimwitted -- applying common sense to supernatural concerns. That's not my fault.
Maybe someday you'll wise up. I have hope. In fact, I'll pray on it.
namesameasu 1 year ago
@namesameasu really I have a Psychology degree in 4 languages, I highly doubt you can out-debate anyone on this topic. It's not about ego but about nonsense that written in the Bible by 1st century pesents who though their village is the end of the world. You have a degree in philosophy yet you think adam and eve populated 6 Billion strong in 6K years. Is that degree from kindergarden or are you this brainwashed that FACT don't get through your head. Debate me, I dare you.
Redcaster916 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 Should I call you Dr. Watson, as in John Watson who mentally abused his own children? Psychology was derived from philosophy, so philosophy is the more fundamental art. The fact that you know 4 languages is irrelevant. You only need one language to debate, and your applying other languages into one would only serve as a distraction, and thus fallacious.
namesameasu 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 The idea behind Adam and Eve is original sin -- namely, prioritizing the wants of the body rather than that of spirit causes suffering.
A lot of the BIble is metaphorical, and its purpose is to serve as a channel between God and humanity. Many believers conclude that God isn't necessarily God's word verbatim, but His word as interpreted by and adjusted for human limitations. I would agree.
namesameasu 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 Do you wish to debate the Bible, or simply the existence of God? As you know, the video's speaker discredits God in general. So what's your belief on God?
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@namesameasu Christianity is based on FEAR, you either follow it or you go to hell. If that doesn't ring a bell of how false it is that I don't know what will. Bible speaks of a loving god yet through its history there's been noting but war pushing another war. Now in the 21st century we'll have another religious war, and so it continues. Priests fucking little boys is a result of the Bible stupid regulations. Man have a penis for a reason, holding back natures laws is not possible.
Redcaster916 1 year ago
@namesameasu Now if we start poking at the scientific discoveries that prove the Bible to be wrong we can have a 2 day conversation. For Ex. In the 1st century people though sickness is caused by demons, than we learned about bacteria and that demon theory went out the window, tsunamis were though to be the wrath of god than we learned that it's earth platetonic. I could go on and on disproving the Bible.
Redcaster916 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 Well, it looks like you want to debate the Bible, which isn't my main concern. For instance, you may not believe in the Bible, but still believe in a God-figure. The beliefs aren't mutually exclusive. The guy in the video doesn't believe in any God at all. Would you fall into this category?
namesameasu 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 However, what I mean by original sin is that the body wants things. Take note that I use the word "want" and not "need." The body needs things, as well, and these needs need to be satisfied. But the body wants things, as well. The body gives one's spiritual self a vantage point. It seems to me that the more the body craves, the spiritual focus can no longer see the forest for the tree -- the latter of which is one's vantage point.
namesameasu 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 However, spirituality allows one's focus to naturally expand beyond one's selfish bodily wants. The BIble is just a channel to help one to do so. Should it be taken literally -- no. Does it imply the right direction?: yes. So does the Tao te Ching, for that matter. And I imagine so does the Koran, when you divide it from Shiria law.
namesameasu 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 Free will is the idea that one can choose to prioritize the spiritual over the physical. Hell is for those who choose not to. The Bible and churches are there to help those who choose to, but find it difficult -- probably due to genetic dispositions. Hell would be a spiritual place just like heaven. Imagine being stuck with one's ego and selfish bodily wants for all of eternity, unsatisfiable [as they all become], without a spiritual alternative.
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Redcaster916 1 year ago
we can love each other ..... with each other .... the god idea gets in the way
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index23432 1 year ago
raise your hand if u believe in santa!!
shaneclone15 1 year ago
im sorry you don't have an "imaginary friend" :)
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dfdghfdhfdjhdf 1 year ago
well first of all i would like to point out that you misspelled Religion, and second of all what if God was an alien hmm? If the greys were actually beings who made us believe all that stuff and the so called miracles were performed by these extraterrestrial beings? It's a possibily since we aren't the center of the universe and we aren't the most superior beings in the universe. All the world's religions were made up by aliens to test us IMO
Mexicanblood493 1 year ago
Dude, You don't get it. God is not a person or an imaginary friend. God is a cosmic energy that exists in and as your own energetic system. The deeper you go into a scientific exploration of that inner energetic system, the deeper you come into contact with and experience that cosmic energy that is the source of YOUR LIFE. You are stuck in your mind. The cosmic exists outside the realm of the mind in the realm of BEING. Tantra is the science of inner exploration. Look into it.
xango2001 1 year ago
@xango2001 "Tantra is the science of inner exploration. Look into it. " TANTRA is not science.
SOAS007 1 year ago
believe in god not in religion
icmrcd2 1 year ago
Actually, it's theism that is the belief in nothing. We ask where is this god, you reply he exists outside our visible relm so we can't see him. You claim he talks to you all the time, but if we ask you to have him talk to you while we are present, suddenly he can't be heard. It is YOUR claim that an invisible sky man created everything out of nothing just by speaking it. Get your facts straight
RandomNonsence 1 year ago
Religion is a virus.
bnbalenda 1 year ago 2
you have no life guy.. your thoughts on religion are compleatly unreal.
it seems that not believing in anything (which what i feel Atheism really is), could be classified as a religion. if you believe enough in nothing, then all thats left is believing that you don't believe enough.. did it make sense at all? lol :-P
TheWaylonhatcher 1 year ago
Any dumbass christians claiming that a world without a religion is a world in chaos: Look up a country called Japan. That is all.
steagle1017 1 year ago
It is the religion of humanism
hellavadeal 1 year ago
Your explanaiton was good and different, never came to my mind about the imaginary friend.
CaptCamping 1 year ago
religious ppl have banged on about that to me sayin atheism if a religion or a belief,
to shut them up, iv just said explain How it is a religion or a belief,
they cart answer, or just come out with some bull, they just try and say atheists are delusional, but hows that if we dont believe, then How are We Delusional.
im the Ultimate Atheist, God is the Delusion God is the lie, u believers believe the lie, your Delusional ppl u believers........ this is a message 4 the room
IamJohnTitor 1 year ago
great video
01234V43210 1 year ago
You people are so clueless. If you didn't believe in God then you just wouldn't believe. You wouldn't be talking about believers, you would just live your life and mind your own business.What do you care about people's beliefs. How is it affecting you.
MissAnnie1000 1 year ago
The video title isn´t true, the doctor Jhon Nash (beautiful mind movie) had a lot of imaginary friends, and the worse, his mental disease don´t has known causes of any kind (pathogenic, physiological or genetic).
Leivinn20 1 year ago
@Leivinn20 actually religion comes from schizophrenia. read the origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind by julian jaynes. very interesting. people really heard god's voice. in the early human history everyone was schizophrenic
brownbigb 1 year ago
@brownbigb in fact, it´s really a very simple issue: what is the human conscience?, - is this a result from brain particles movements?, or is the human conscience autonomous and the particles are capable to intelligent moves by them self?. Keep in mind, the first step of science method in the observation. By the way, the atheists have "invisible friends" too.
Leivinn20 1 year ago
@Leivinn20 could you point out those invisible friends for atheists? is conscience tied to the brain? i am yet to meet one without a brain that had conscience.
brownbigb 1 year ago
@brownbigb : 1) About invisible friends of atheists: Did you watch beutiful Mind film?. 2) I am talking on the movements of brain particles.
Leivinn20 1 year ago
@Leivinn20 that is invisible friends of schizophrenics. not atheists. theists have invisible riends because they are theists. how do atheists have imaginary friends because they are atheists? what brain particle movements? are you talking about the atoms in the brain? then it is contingent on hving a brain.
brownbigb 1 year ago
@brownbigb : I mean: the first step of science method IS the observation
Leivinn20 1 year ago
God does exist.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 yes it does. there is another name for it though. your ignorance.
brownbigb 1 year ago
great video and explanation!
ooosteve 1 year ago
I don't like it when people generalize other like how he explained that theists cannot imagine no religion. This comment has nothing to do with the theism versus atheism debate, I'm commenting on his personality. I know many people who are religious who do understand my views.
Blacklemon67 1 year ago
ROFL
ShamiraTaquila 1 year ago
you or anyone else has no right, and 2) didnt christainity get persecuted etc back in the ages, people were mocked and killed etc...basically you are hypoctically going against everything that they stood for, in doing the same to other people under different criteria!
mattboyo 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
It wont matter if they did carbon date the Shroud and it comes out to the 1st century. People still wont believe it.
Noahs Ark has been discovered.
You can walk around the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah and see the thousands of balls of sulpher (brimstone)
Does it make a difference?
No, because there is a devil and he blinds people spirtually.
BitingOsprey 1 year ago
if they carbon dated the shroud and it came out to be jesus then im sure people would believe it and questions would be answered. If they carbon dated it and it wasnt religious ppl would still be in denial...what does that tell you?
What they THINK is noahs ark has been discovered, that could infact be anything!
It doesnt make a difference to me at all tbh, what does make a difference is that religious ppl tell everyone else theyre wrong and they need help, when really it could be thm tht nd it!
mattboyo 1 year ago
THEY DID, IT'S 1500 YEARS YOUNGER THAN JESUS. just so you know.
taliesinknol 1 year ago
None of those things would make christianity true.
teamuggy 1 year ago
@teamuggy ..........nothing would make it true to some people, absolutely nothing.
It is true though, i can vouch for that
BitingOsprey 1 year ago
my point here is religious people dont think critically, they idolise especially something as emotionally charged as 'god' to get away from the harshness of life, in which something that may otherwise be classed as totally imaginary, may break down, withdrawing religious people from real world to a more satisfactory world. If thats waht they want to do then fine, im not against it, but dont brainwash others and tell others theyre going to hell or theyre satanic when
mattboyo 1 year ago
I have seen Jesus myself, ive seen a glimpse of heaven, ive seen and experienced demon spirits.
I know the bible is true from personal experience. I dont need anyone to tell me its ture, i know it is.
BitingOsprey 1 year ago
see thats it right there...your confusing fantasy with reality, you dont know anything, neither does anyone else, just because you believe something it doesnt make it true. For you it may but for everyone else it doesnt because everyone is different. If you think youve seen jeses and a glimpse of heaven n all that then good for you, what the guy in the vid is saying is share that with ur christian friends instead of telling everyone else theyre wrong and going to hell!
mattboyo 1 year ago
at BitingOsprey, we have words for people like you. Crazy.
siryumi 1 year ago 4
Yeah i got a word for people like you too........Dickhead
BitingOsprey 1 year ago
ah! someone who understands me. :)
siryumi 1 year ago
go play with your imaginary friends. BitingOsprey
siryumi 1 year ago
You have seen jesus and god, blablabla. There are also people who have seen allah, ghosts, aliens, and so on. I'm pretty sure there are some people who claim they are the reincarnation of thor.
You know what all of these have in common? All of these people sincerely believe in what they have seen, it's their personal experience. Yet none of these people can give conclusive evidence for their experiences.
To both of you, ad hominems will never get you anywhere.
hydra100100 1 year ago
You can believe whatever you like, its no skin off my nose.
Oh by the way ghosts and aliens are nothing more than demon spirits.
This may surprise you but im not trying to, "get anywhere" as you put it. It really makes no difference to me what you believe.........the difference is to you, not me.
BitingOsprey 1 year ago
ways into trying to convert others by creating emotional hooks, now, whatever you believe it is extremely unfair and i believe this is the message this video is trying to put across! so i dont think hes an idiot, hes just very passionate about his own personal conviction, if your calling him an idiot, then you might as well call every religious person an ididot when they start preaching their personal convictions!
mattboyo 1 year ago
I called him an idiot because hes totally wrong but yet arrogant with it.
its not a good combination at all
BitingOsprey 1 year ago
thats ur opinion, your to blind sighted liek everyother religious person to open your mind to an opposing point of view...and this is precisely what the msg of his video is, however he goes further to suggest yreligious ppl keep their views to themselves, if they want to believe it its fine but keep it to urself, everyone is an individual with their own belief system, trying to make others believe the same based on your own ideology is ignorant. This guy is speaking on behalf of atheism.
mattboyo 1 year ago
the 15th century, the church werent having any of it. They believe in something and dont let any other possible belief system in. The world and the people in it are opening up to other types of systems like, spiritualism, atheism and so forth, and the church brand all of them demonic...who the hell r they to say that! They are humans like everyone else, they aint special (although they believe they are)! They are one of a worldwide group that interfere with politics and try to project their
mattboyo 1 year ago
The Church is correct to brand spiritism demonic. There are NO spirits of the dead floating around. The spirits people are talking to are demon spirits. That is why Necromancy was specifically forbidden in the bible.
As for atheism, that was invented by Satan to trick people into disqualifying themselves from, the Kingdom of God.
BitingOsprey 1 year ago
who is the church to brand anything? they have no right! as do anyone else that tries to brand anything about religion! How do you know what spirits people are talking to? how do the church? the answer is you dont, you dont even know if such spirits exist! ur basing your comments and views probably on what you were taught growing up! if you took the time to read some literature on the subject or FACTUAL research then you may learn a bit about it, instead of placing ur brain washed views!
mattboyo 1 year ago
I know a lot more about it than you think.
Its God that told us not to practice Necromancy because its dealing with demon spirits.
I have done this in the past,,,,,,,of course i didnt know they were demon spirits at the time. I found that out later.
BitingOsprey 1 year ago
if you know alot more than i think then why ar eyou not as open minded as someone 'sat on the fence' would be. Your blind sighted by what you have been preached and just because someone else has told you, or the bible has said do this, or a priest has, or just because its your own personal conviction doesnt mean its right! that in itself is arrogance demonstrated right there. I consider myself open minded, and what you constantly find is an unwillingness from any religion is they wont accept!
mattboyo 1 year ago
explanations, however throught their own narrowmindedness (and i use that word because they certainly arent open minded) they chose not to accept anything else. Take the church for example...when anything is disproved they try to 'hush it up' prime example, the shroud of turin back in the 90's, they were saying it was THE burial cloth of christ, yet when science intervened and conducted carbon dating and found it to contain blood stains dating back to
mattboyo 1 year ago
THe Shroud of Turin is the burial cloth of Jesus. The image was made by a bright light when he rose from the dead.
The part they carbon dated was a medieval repair done after the fire, hence the 15th century date. That is a fact, even the scientist that did the radiocarbon dating on it has stated that its not accurate because the part he dated was a repair and not a part of the original cloth.
I know its real because of the face on it. Its Jesus.
BitingOsprey 1 year ago
I didnt know about the scientist bit so thats new to me but how can you say you 'know its jesus, its his face', how do you know what jesus looked like? your basing it all on your ideology of what he looked like and the way the church idolises him, which isnt fact!
Even if the part they did carbon dating on was a repair, where is the cloth now? why not let science do carbon dating on a part that wasnt repaired? they wont because thre scared!
mattboyo 1 year ago
I dont know how i know its him, i looked at the face i just knew it was him.......
As it happens i have seen him but i didnt see his face.
As far as i know the church wont allow them to carbon date the inner part because it would damage the image, damaging a holy image is considered Sacrilege
Watch the documentary, its a fascinating watch.
The spear of destiny is a fake but the shroud is genuine.
BitingOsprey 1 year ago
sacrilege by whose opinion? the churches? ..a clear demonstration that the church thinks they are above everything! Y not put an end to the debate and say yh we believe it is here you go do what you want and see for yourself, but they wont! If they wanted everyone to believe and be converted they would do it, instead of being martyrs anf persuing the constand battle of ppl having to take their word for it. and yeah ill take a look at that documentary!
mattboyo 1 year ago
For me...this has just hit the nail on the head! Im a third yr pscyhology student doing my dissertation on imaginary friends in childhood and religiousness in adulthood...exploring the connection (if any) but this is what im directing at (maybe not as biased though)! But cracking video!
mattboyo 1 year ago
This guy is an idiot
BitingOsprey 1 year ago
whys he an idiot?!
mattboyo 1 year ago
Cos hes talking nonsense
BitingOsprey 1 year ago
that would be one way of saying what u think...if you think about it critically though, there is an element of truth in it! Ppl that follow religion do project their beliefs and feelings onto others saying (basically everything hes saying in the vid) and im probably one of millions that have experienced it. If they want to believe the bible its fine, thats their choice, but they dont have to brainwash others. Religion is a belief system, nothing more nothing less, with many possible
mattboyo 1 year ago
read the bible and youll learn everything READ IT RIGHT NOW
im just kidding lol
stelerscyth 1 year ago
This explanation was very helpful.
Hope the theists, i discuss with next time, won't be too upset by me calling god an imaginary friend.
HiltownJoe 1 year ago
don't push me. push a push pop.
xde0mega 1 year ago
Great.Just Great.
ThrashMetalForces 1 year ago
or when their imaginary friends want to impose on objective physical facts of the world
bulbinking 1 year ago
Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!
dilemmix 1 year ago
Atheists can be religious - not all religions have deities. So in that respect his explanation fails.
Atheism is a lack of belief in god, it's not a belief or a unified group of any sorts. That's how I explain it...
Also, I'm an atheist but I have imaginary friends :P
I just don't worship them.
pienipaha 1 year ago
I think Dr. Ray was using the term religionists instead of the usual theists so that he would not distinguish any particular religion. Their all nuts.
redcloak676 1 year ago
I do get his point though and mostly agree when it comes to religions that include gods. I'm just saying that where he speaks of all "religionists" like they had deities (or imaginary friends) even when this is not really the case.
pienipaha 1 year ago
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If the world was all atheists, there would be no laws, because if they ever commited a crime like rape, the criminal would say "it was only my animal instinct", so that criminal would not get jailed because that would be breaching his animal rights.
HIGHLANDERxMCLAMBIE 1 year ago
You have no basis for making that claim. Atheistic countries are doing far better than the US when it comes to murder rates, teen abortions etc.
Generally, loads of studies have shown that the worship of a deity generally correlates with all these negative effects.
If someone told me that, I wouldn't care and throw his ass in jail anyway because what he did was detrimental to society. Ppl don't need a celestial dictatot to distinguish right from wrong
Korkzor 1 year ago 20
Also here are two vidoes debunking your bigotry. You are a christian I assume, but a pathetic one at it. Putting yourself on a pedistal as if you are somehow better than the ones not buying in to your religion. As if the belief in something defines everything you are.
The videos, as much for everybod else as for Highlander..
/watch?v=94f2h-5TvbM
donexodus2?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/8/jf3_JGgj4h4
Korkzor 1 year ago
What? We kill dangerous animals for instinctual behavior like eating people. Besides that, when have you ever seen a giraffe steal a car stereo?
CadicusTheDamned 1 year ago
You're retarded. Morality can exist without a skydaddy.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
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Atheism is a godless religion, the worship of humanism. atheists are their own gods, they choose their own moral values. they believe they are animals, and this idea is comforting for them to persue their sinful desires.
HIGHLANDERxMCLAMBIE 1 year ago
Stupid fucktard spammer.
13shadowwolf 1 year ago
go look up the word RELIGION
and see how atheism follows it
We are animals, we eat, drink and have sex.
We came together to form societies and we have signed a contract to follow rules under a goverment.
finnsia 1 year ago
I am an agnostic, but I still believe abortion is the killing of a human being. I believe it's a human being based on science, not religion. One can make the argument that it's justified homicide because the embryo or fetus (ie, human being) is in the woman's body. But I still don't think it's moral.
I do not want to get into an abortion debate. I'm just making it known that agnostics and atheists can also be against abortion.
autumn11115555 2 years ago
I agree. I'm an atheist and pro-life. Not many of us around.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago