Saren is a tragic character. He was always ruthless. To him the end justified the means, but his intentions were essentially good untill he was indoctrinated by Sovereign.
Saren: a hero, a monster, evil, good, idiot, smart, victim, loser, he can be any of those things, he isn't the best villain probably, one thing for sure, ME2 is lacking something, it was him, in ME2 there wasn't a villain by itself that we were after, we were pursuing a race of bugs, it was interesting, lots of revelations, but it lacked the focus we got on saren in the first game, no one were there to fill his role in ME2.
Saren's character was really a contradiction in itself. He was a loyal dog to the end being the fact that he always followed orders and tried to do what his job asked him to do which was protect the galaxy. He sought the idea of surrendering to the reapers as an only option and by following their orders the only means. He didn't share this find or anything with anyone..... that is till commander shepard came along.... but his character was overall intriguing and sad in the end...
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Saren used to be a good guy? He was a monster from what i read in the books he caused an explosion that killed hundred of men, woman, and children just so he could get the data that would eventually lead him to Sovereign. He was also an anit-human bigot because his brother was infected by reaper tech as a result of the first contact war BUUUUUT he was the one that ordered the kill on his brother. That guy is like alien hitler.
@TheLastArchdemon I did play the game, I've done both the games 5 times now, completely...I saw no reference of a Reaper being part organic. Show me proof, please.
@TheLastArchdemon Okay, that "Synthetic/Organic" is signifying the fact that the Human-Reaper Larva was partially organic. It would thus be incorrect for the Wiki to say that ALL Reapers were Synths. However, in common tongue, since Shepard killed the only partially Organic Reaper, and we're talking about the main invasion of Reapers, the entirety of which are synthetic, you can safely say that they're organic :)
@4sostrander ~Sigh~ No. Reapers use organics as fuel also. It helps them maintain their "hibernation". Technically, ALL Reapers are Syn's since Shepard killed the remaining Syn-Ganic's. Reapers are an AI. However, their technology is far advanced than ours, which makes them seem non AI like.
Nah...Saren was evil before he was indoctrinated. Anderson talked all about it. I didn't even give Saren the satisfaction of killing himself, I shot him and got him impaled on a glass shard.
@stevej71393 I think Saren was more extreme than evil. He was probably just a Turian who couldn't get over the First contact War. But impalement on glass shard works too.
@taivvvv I dont think that Saren wanted Sove just to annihilate humans... He did mention that he will avenge his brother but that doesnt mean annihilating the human race. I that that Saren worked for Sovereign just to survive the Reaper annihilation. But yea, You are right about his bro... For those that dont know whats the source of his post. It's from the comic Mass Effect - Evolution
Being brainwashed like that was scary enough for Benezia (knowing what she was doing but powerless to stop herself). The way he spoke about Sovereign on Virmire just confirmed it - brainwashed, and no idea that it had happened either (although I don't know why he thought he stood a chance when Sovereign had managed to brainwash an asari matriarch). But the fact that Sovereign had to implant him shows he had some will left even then.
Hardly a hero- he was a very effective Spectre, maybe, but he was massively xenophobic and a cold, murderous bastard long before he even *knew* of Sovereign.
You know at the ending he says he started to have doubts but the Sovereign sensed that and implanted him with something so he would be completely obedient...
So I would say he is an asshole with something good deep inside, but too weak to fight the Sovereign (such as the Matriarch Benezia). I feel sorry for the guy because he was turned into a machine with the Sovereign holding the remote control.
@182Edh totally agree. Saren was a cool enemy. wish there was a strong antagonist like Saren in ME2. Althought if, you play the Shadow Broker DLC, you face a similar foe.
damn when you fight him possessed by sovereign he is a beast. however if one edited all the tactical pauses I made my fight with him too about 30-40 seconds. cast singularity and barriers and shoot the shiet out of him with a shotgun and be quick and agile and dont be a noob and lick my balls and suck my dick and you can make it
"the most dramatic end boss fight i ever seen" lol dude there is others games with boss fights u now? this fight was lame easy and stupid.there is by far better boss fights than this eaz mode right here.
If the books are considered Canon then surely Saren wasn't really a hero. He was quite a nasty Spectre and kept the discovery of Sovereign a secret so he could use it himself...
When he was a spectre he was more or less purely black and white. Not necessarily bad but not really good either. He did have a intense disregard for collatereal damage and was quite racist.
He clearly seeks out the reaper in hopes of gaining its power for himself.
Ya know, I after ME1 I hoped we would find (in ME2 or 3) something like a hidden Headquarter of Saren where he left all his informatiions / technologies that could be used against the Reapers, in Case that he would fall to the indoctrination.
And there, we mabe meet something like a hologramm, an VI / AI with his uploaded memories that guides Shepard through the Story.
it was heroic action to kill him self. just think about it, he was fighting sovereign's indoctrination and the only way to defeat it was to shoot him self. the husk at the end was not saren at all. so at least he put him self out, so it wouldnt be 2 final bosses.
he had some good ideas but ultamiotly "srry my spelling" i would still prefer to fight then live as slaves to the reapers. Live as slaves or tools under a being that believes itself superior. Nazis to jews. kkk to blacks. We would be tools or slaves used and then desposed of. he was a fool no hero. He had his heart in the right place but his mind NO.
It was a final act of redemption. Redemption requires that there be something worth redeeming himself for. He did plenty of evil shit and he is at best an anti-hero, but by no means a full-proof hero.
Ok, so hitler killed himself before he could screw people over...and then he became zombie hitler...crap...I wish I was making this up. I swore I wouldn't rain on anyones parade so I will say Saren's last act was...Nobel, I don't think that qualifies him for saint hood, but I see why he might engender some sympathy. it's not like I went balls to the wall and killed myslef to stop space satin from destroying the universe...Wow these metaphores are fun, what an awesome game.
@ninemarrow saren gets the job done no matter what the cost..... unlike anderson who would disobey the council's order and pursue khalee sanders, no offence.
Saren was a dick even before the indoctrination. Maybe his ruthless slaughter of innocent people can be explained away by labeling him a "renegade type specter" but he blamed it on Anderson to keep him out of the Specters. Not to mention he's obviously racist towards humans. This scene show's he's not completely evil, but I wouldn't toss "hero" around at any point in his description.
You're all missing the point. Before Mass Effect, Saren embodied the 'Renegade' type of Spectre. Spectres could either be peacekeepers, or ruthless assasins, when Captain Anderson was trying out, Saren was gonna blow up the whole base whether or not innocent civilians were inside for the good of the galaxy. If you're a Renegade, you even agree with Saren on that point when talking to Anderson.
He was only acting like this when he was indoctrinated.
@Kaweebo I like that part, it has weight. If saren had new about the reapers and their indoctrination, saren would have had the chance to destroy sovereign and join shepard.
I really do miss Saren, he was an awesome antagonist. You believe he is the true enemy a long way, then you discover he is under control, and then if you play your cards right you find he still has a strike of pride left in him.
All I got in ME2 were collectors, kinda cool, and Harbringer... pretty darn cool voice over but not as personal as Saren. Oh well, maybe we will see some awesome DLC or a reference in ME3. Come on Bioware!
@FaslifiedHero It was basically the same story in ME2 tbh, except that it was the entire Prothean race instead of just Saren.
They're also under the reaper's control, but they did make it a bit more personal by killing you in the beginning and by directly attacking your ship while it was defenceless. Taking everyone aboard, except Joker of course, was also kind of a bitch move.
IMO ME2 had the better story and conclusion while ME1 had the better setting.
@Squiglypig Meh, everyone has their opinions, if you like the second one better then its whatever. I just feel the first one was better in terms of story, however I have to give props to ME2's combat system.
You are all worng if you played the whole game you would have found out that Saren was always evil from Captin Anderson. Anderson went on a mission with Saren who was evaluating Anderson, who was "trying out" to be a Spectre. Saren blew up a base and killed abunch of "innocient" people and then blamed Anderson saying it was his fault and he did not become a Spectre.
@HealingSixes if u had read the novel then u would know that it was anderson who wants to split from saren to save khalee sanders disobeying his orders. if he had been with saren in the mission all along maybe the outcome of mission of mission would have been different. so don't try to play as saren was all evil, he is just the renegade type who gets the job done.
saren and shepard are the most kickass guys in video game history Bioware really has constructed the most kickass characters and storyline and i just hope hollywood doesnt fuck it all up with the movie
I laughed at the end of this video - ok so his mind was gone when he shot himself in the head, but his body sure didn't rest in peace for long - 20 seconds later he pulls a terminator ressurrection and the final battle begin.
I'm not sure 'good' guy is quite right either...good and evil are too simplistic.
Tragic hero is the best description I can think of.
Good video though - and I agree it's one of the best final cut-scenes/exchange I've seen in a game.
Saren was a racist and renegade before Sovereign, he wasn't a good guy. But I honestly believe the only reason he joined Sovereign was out of fear and because he felt it was the only way to save anyone.
For that, I can't really hate him because it's so...I guess "human" wouldn't be correct, but normal for the fact that alot of people would feel the same as he did.
Only someone as bullheaded as Shepard would stand alone and still be able to say that he could defeat the reapers.
@iOnlySignIn All the bad things came up to him, once he was experiencing all the shit... His brother was killed, he began to hate humanity for that and Council which made turians to pay reparations... He is ruthless, angry, BUT he was admired by COuncil as the BEST Spectre that they have! He was cleaning all the toughest criminal shit in the universe and just this statement proves that he was worthy and good! Just the fucking reapers blown his mind up, which they could do to anyone even faster..
Revelation had actually showed me the better side of Saren. He was ruthless, agreed, but his intentions were right. Same with Benezia. He was willing to take his own life to set back Sovereign, which showed resistance against indoctrination. And yes, if he commits suicide you don't have to fight the FIRST battle. So start earning up paragon or renegade, and make sure you have a paragon or renagade conversation with him on Virmire first.
That would be my dream to have him in a squad T_T! Guys DID YOU READ Mass Effect: Revelation? Damn he is so professional! His skills represent more than Anderson's and Shepard's together!
Think of this story as if Saren is bought back to life in M.E 3 as they did to Shepard in M.E 2. Both Shepard and Saren then lead the battle against reapers. It would be awsome. I want to see Saren in M.E 3. Bioware please make my dream come true.
@sriv1988 That would be cool, but how would they pull that off in the story? Shepard at least left a body behind. Saren turned into a robot skeleton thing and then disintegrated into space dust :/ .
@champayne17 I would not Saren turned into robot... He was already dead when he shot himself... The robot was the implants joined together inside of his body... Saren was resting already when the fight between Shep and Sovereign began!
Too bad it is true, his body was fucking tore apart by the implants which came out of the flesh... I don't think, but I hope we will meet him again somewhere... He is too damn cool to vanish in the first part of trilogy T_T O_O -_-
@champayne17 Perhapes a clone? That could work. Say Cerberus found a small trace of Saren's dna and used it to clone him. In Mass Effect 3, his clone escapes Cerberus hands and finds Shepard later on, to join him in his fight against the reapers, in order to redeem himself for his past mistakes. This could also cause conflicts within his crew since people like Garrus absolutely dispise Saren. Sounds awesome to me :D
@Rev332 I actually read a fan fic where Saren's consciousness was downloaded into a Reaper database. Shepard attacked one of the reapers, entered it, and met Saren as an hmm "AI" who fully understand all his previous life and what is going on right now. He was like a "geth" downloaded in Reaper. Out of this great idea, you can bring Saren back to the story, but not in his body :) I don't know what you think about idea, I think it is great and better than clone! No ne has purpose to clone him...
have u seen the 6th day movie. in that they would record the memory and take some kind of samples to create clones.like that bioware could do some new concept to bring saren back. everyone in council sees cerberus as enemy and noone sees the reapers coming, so in order to gain council's trust & something like that. Cerberus does the unthinkable, bring saren back using some data & medical samples of saren they gathered after his first encounter with sovereign, so that he remembers what happened.
@champayne17 i would prefer if they give us a mission in m.e 3 to retrive saren's genetic clone with all his memories from a vat tank just as we rescude grunt in m.e 2.
He was not "good" or "evil" during the events of the game.
While he wasn't a hero, he was not a villain either.
To put it in a simpler way, in a world of black and white, where white is justice and black villainy, he was a shade of gray.
While his previous actions were ruthless, brutal and cold-hearted, all he did after he thought he had made a deal with Sovereign was him trying to protect the Galaxy - what he swore to do when he first became a Spectre.
His intentions were pure this time.It was different from before.
He didn't do it for himself, he didn't profit in any way out of what he did.
And while his methods were somewhat twisted, he did NOT actually mean harm - he wanted to protect, he wanted to prevent every organic species from suffering the Protheans' fate.
He sacrificed everything he could for that goal.
He was no Paragon, he was no role-model, but he was brave enough to take the risk of making a deal with the Reapers.
@sriv1988 but before he confronted soverign wasn't he ruthless by willing to kill innocents to save others during his missions as a Spectre. But yeah in the end Saren is a hero and was only evil in the game because he was indoctrinated.
@sriv1988 Saren was not a hero, he was ruthless and would commit genocide for a council assignment. Still, you sense in some way, that he is still within reason, he can be persuaded, given the right reasons. So, he was not a hero but an anti-hero.
@sriv1988 Just saying, you miss the already inherent irrationally-dangerous behaviour described in Mass Effect: Ascension and by Anderson if you talk to him about his past with Saren. Saren doesn't give a shit about the people who he is supposed to protect. He will do all he can to slander humans at the cost of others.
@sriv1988 Have you read the first novel? He originally approached Sovereign in hopes of utilizing its power to help Turians become more powerful than Humans, Asari, and Salarians so they could dominate the council. Saren wanted become the most powerful figure in the galaxy. I don't disagree that he was seen as a hero to the galaxy before hand, but his intentions were never noble; he was corrupt and he did not know about the Reaper invasion when he initially discovered Sovereign.
@sriv1988 Actually, before the games even started he was really even more monsterous than ever. It wasn't just racism either. If you want some examples, look on his character page on the Mass Effect wikia, and read everything up. And Spectre doesn't exactly mean a person is a great guy either, it just means they get results, and Saren got them. Often with piles of bodies behind him, and not all of them criminals either. Shepard can actually be an example if you play as a Renegade too.
@sriv1988 Yeah but Saren was at best an anti-hero. His two rules of conduct were "Never kill anyone without a reason" followed by "You can always find a reason".
@joyadeceren Urgh, I really hate it when people say shit like that. We are all fully aware that this is fiction, but the entire point of mediums like games, books and movies is to get you to feel for the characters and empathize with their emotions. Yes, it's just a game, but that doesn't undermine the credibility of creativity that went into the story which some people just cannot seem to appreciate. -_-
Not read revelation? Saren approached sovereign to use it as a weapon to destroy humanity, he was a hero up until his brother was killed in the first contact war by humans. Ever since then he hated us, and some humans are racist, not all, but some. PS sovereign's real name is Nazara, Saren was the one who called it sovereign.
i dont think you can call saren a hero, after all he was ruthless, mean, and a racist. but you can clearly say he turned his back on sovereign, and tryed to be good again and he did what he had to do it.
saren was a tragic hero - his original intentions was to save the galaxy from the reapers, but his history of ruthless solutions and tactics made him vulnerable . saren realized that the council would not believe his claims about the reapers so he felt he needed to handle it alone, but he was unprepared for sovereign's abilities. even the power of a wise asari matriarch was not enough to help saren fight off the indoctrination process, for she was also turned.
@psychee1 The story in ME2 kind of disappointed though, it seemed to me like it was just "an excuse" for a game inbetween the first and the third. Both the first and second end with the same thing: Reaper invasion coming. Don't get me wrong, ME2 had vastly superior gameplay and storytelling, but it just didn't quite match the epic extent of the story in ME1.
Saren was by far the most developed and respectable villian in any game i've ever played, he died a hero. I was trying to figure out a way that he could return for the final game in the trilogy but I don't see how that could happen. If it did happen somehow imagine how amazing it would be if Shepard and Sarne teamed up against the Reapers for the final battle :0
Yes, saren is a bad guy but in the game he really did ally himself to the reapers to save the universe imo but because of soverign he could control himself and stared to bring the end to the universe. I think this because at the end shepard has the option to show saren him mistakes which leads to him ending it all by killing himself.
Ehmmm, saren IS evil. If you read the first Mass Effect book (I believe it was called Revelation) you'll see that Saren hated humans and actually enjoyed killing humans long before he got indoctrinated by Sovereign. He always hated humans and he always saw us rather death than alive. How is that not evil?
@LucvdMortel his anti human point of view comes from the fact that his brother was killed by Humans, he isn't really evil if anything he is a ruthless renegade with a grudge who gets the job done by any means.
he worked with Sovereign to show the worth of organics to the Reapers in hopes that they wouldn't be wiped out. So his intentions were good, if misguided.
If he was evil the events that took place in the Paragon playthrough which is considered canon, would never happen
@Scribby87 His brother's death and his grudge on humans do not justify his actions. I bet you also think Hitler wasn't evil, right? He wanted to create a perfect world unified under one flag, so his intentions where good, if misguided, right?
And wtf, Paragon is canon? LOL! No. If anything in Mass Effect is canon at all, it's actually Renegade. A default new game in ME2 starts with a neutral-renegade Shepard, who killed the Rachni, killed Wrex and let the the Council die. So yeah, go figure.
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Zoran54321 2 months ago
Saren is a tragic character. He was always ruthless. To him the end justified the means, but his intentions were essentially good untill he was indoctrinated by Sovereign.
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Saren: a hero, a monster, evil, good, idiot, smart, victim, loser, he can be any of those things, he isn't the best villain probably, one thing for sure, ME2 is lacking something, it was him, in ME2 there wasn't a villain by itself that we were after, we were pursuing a race of bugs, it was interesting, lots of revelations, but it lacked the focus we got on saren in the first game, no one were there to fill his role in ME2.
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TheBIOPRINCE 2 months ago
Saren is not a hero. He's just a monster with great abilities.
Killearth3 2 months ago
He wasn't evil...even in the books he was just portrayed as ruthless...like my renegade Shepard
HatedSovietLion 3 months ago
Saren was a victim more than anything.
FanimusMaximus 3 months ago
Saren's character was really a contradiction in itself. He was a loyal dog to the end being the fact that he always followed orders and tried to do what his job asked him to do which was protect the galaxy. He sought the idea of surrendering to the reapers as an only option and by following their orders the only means. He didn't share this find or anything with anyone..... that is till commander shepard came along.... but his character was overall intriguing and sad in the end...
XxLasTxReBeLlioNxX 3 months ago
goodbye shepard and thank you
JetAge96 4 months ago
Still getting goose bumps. I did the first time I experienced this, and I still am. R.I.P Saren.
PrinceDamien 4 months ago 5
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PrinceDamien 4 months ago
Is Saren supposed to be a play on the word sarin?
Sorry if I double post, I keep getting "Error, try again"
aprildog18 4 months ago
Is Saren supposedt o be a play on the word sarin?
aprildog18 4 months ago
Saren is not good!
as @ffinfinity said from books we can understand he is evil.
We can say he could have had a little... MOMENT of goodness.
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ORTmusic 5 months ago
Saren used to be a good guy? He was a monster from what i read in the books he caused an explosion that killed hundred of men, woman, and children just so he could get the data that would eventually lead him to Sovereign. He was also an anit-human bigot because his brother was infected by reaper tech as a result of the first contact war BUUUUUT he was the one that ordered the kill on his brother. That guy is like alien hitler.
ffinfinity1 5 months ago 14
@ffinfinity1 So true.
bf3ftw 1 month ago
You need to read Evolution
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MrCaptainNerdy 5 months ago
:Joker? Are you recording this?... No, of course not! ...Dammit! It proves he's a hero!
Wait, what?
ACHASER56 6 months ago
R.I.P. ................. but than his corpse is immediatley taken over and warped by Sovereign. Shame on you reaper!
Cooler7328 7 months ago 3
Without Saren, Shepard might have not know of reapers and now the greatest civilisations are doomed to fall.
Paskakatiska 7 months ago
mistake in your story, reapers are part tech, part organic and therefore NOT an AI nice vid though
TheLastArchdemon 7 months ago
@TheLastArchdemon Reapers aren't part organic...
4sostrander 7 months ago
@4sostrander yes they are, play the game and actually listen or look up the wiki, trust me on this one
TheLastArchdemon 7 months ago
@TheLastArchdemon I did play the game, I've done both the games 5 times now, completely...I saw no reference of a Reaper being part organic. Show me proof, please.
4sostrander 7 months ago
@TheLastArchdemon Okay, that "Synthetic/Organic" is signifying the fact that the Human-Reaper Larva was partially organic. It would thus be incorrect for the Wiki to say that ALL Reapers were Synths. However, in common tongue, since Shepard killed the only partially Organic Reaper, and we're talking about the main invasion of Reapers, the entirety of which are synthetic, you can safely say that they're organic :)
4sostrander 7 months ago
@4sostrander ~Sigh~ No. Reapers use organics as fuel also. It helps them maintain their "hibernation". Technically, ALL Reapers are Syn's since Shepard killed the remaining Syn-Ganic's. Reapers are an AI. However, their technology is far advanced than ours, which makes them seem non AI like.
taivvvv 7 months ago
@taivvvv Huh. I've never heard of this before. Got a source?
4sostrander 7 months ago
@4sostrander "all reaper ships are based of an organic orignal, using original as base parts" Mordin near end-game
therefore at least a part of a reaper is organic, even if it dosent affect their judgments
TheLastArchdemon 7 months ago
@TheLastArchdemon Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing it up. Sorry for being wrong :)
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@4sostrander nothing wrong with being wrong lol
live and learn :)
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SeanMacGregor1 7 months ago
I'd say he's an Anti-Hero.
TheRealFreeman1 7 months ago
More like saren an hero amirite?
pwnagelad 7 months ago
Nah...Saren was evil before he was indoctrinated. Anderson talked all about it. I didn't even give Saren the satisfaction of killing himself, I shot him and got him impaled on a glass shard.
stevej71393 8 months ago
@stevej71393 I think Saren was more extreme than evil. He was probably just a Turian who couldn't get over the First contact War. But impalement on glass shard works too.
Kingbeastguy 7 months ago
@Kingbeastguy LOL You got it right. He lost his brother I think to a Human in the FCW. He sought out Sovereign to annihilate humans.
taivvvv 7 months ago
@taivvvv Really? Wow I didn't even know that!
Kingbeastguy 7 months ago
@taivvvv I dont think that Saren wanted Sove just to annihilate humans... He did mention that he will avenge his brother but that doesnt mean annihilating the human race. I that that Saren worked for Sovereign just to survive the Reaper annihilation. But yea, You are right about his bro... For those that dont know whats the source of his post. It's from the comic Mass Effect - Evolution
Armageddon010 6 months ago
I made Saren kill himself!
Wish i could do that in real life :P
Stelios7xXx 8 months ago
@Zoran54321 And a winrar was him.
leauxbert 8 months ago
an hero
SternMann93 8 months ago
Go read Mass Effect: Revelation. Saren was no hero.
1143451 8 months ago
fuck genesis, this is how he should die
supervegito2277 8 months ago
what the fuck is this...
jojean789 9 months ago
Being brainwashed like that was scary enough for Benezia (knowing what she was doing but powerless to stop herself). The way he spoke about Sovereign on Virmire just confirmed it - brainwashed, and no idea that it had happened either (although I don't know why he thought he stood a chance when Sovereign had managed to brainwash an asari matriarch). But the fact that Sovereign had to implant him shows he had some will left even then.
dartigens10 9 months ago
Hardly a hero- he was a very effective Spectre, maybe, but he was massively xenophobic and a cold, murderous bastard long before he even *knew* of Sovereign.
Liokae 9 months ago
hates humans but it take one to show him the light to became a hero
lasthope20 9 months ago
I wouldn't call him a hero. He wasn't a hero (while actions of Mass Effect occurred) at all. I would call him a tragic villain in this situation.
lodziklocPL 9 months ago
I felt really really sad when he killed himself :( I just tried to follow the paragon path, didn't expect him to to that at all :(
naierer 9 months ago
You know at the ending he says he started to have doubts but the Sovereign sensed that and implanted him with something so he would be completely obedient...
So I would say he is an asshole with something good deep inside, but too weak to fight the Sovereign (such as the Matriarch Benezia). I feel sorry for the guy because he was turned into a machine with the Sovereign holding the remote control.
MrPaulorico 9 months ago
Was Saran a Good Guy? i think he was, he knew the things he did was wrong! I read the comic! and he was still kind of a dick!
anyway if anyone wants to read the comic just write in the You Tube Search Bar "Mass Effect Evolution 1 of 4"
CenturysSamurai 9 months ago
You get to kill him twice if you choose your words differently.
OriginallyBroken 9 months ago
Sarens like venom from spiderman lmfao
but respect brother fucking worthy foe
rip
lastprojectX 9 months ago
I wouldn't call Saren a hero, he was a mad dog before Sovereign got his...tentacles on him
Purpose91 9 months ago
I like the It's never too late dialogue more. "if you got the gutts!"
DrsHomeboy 9 months ago
I felt sorry for what happened to his body at the end. Although he was 'The evil Saren' I really liked him.
vergil1us 10 months ago
I don't like him for one reason:
Easiest boss fight ever, even with the first equipment.
Plus, he fails trying to be an epic villan due to his lack of personallity.
Still, I believe I've seen worse.
AsashiSakai 10 months ago
If you know the backstory of him, you'd think of him less...
megabrowser17 10 months ago
I actually did like saren I try to save him but he shoot himself on the neck. I lol'd
182Edh 11 months ago
@182Edh totally agree. Saren was a cool enemy. wish there was a strong antagonist like Saren in ME2. Althought if, you play the Shadow Broker DLC, you face a similar foe.
6chars 11 months ago
@goldenbulletwolf666 I happen to like Loghain....
Benjifritz93 11 months ago
@goldenbulletwolf666 maybe he thought that humanity was dangerous to the galaxy?
Benjifritz93 11 months ago
damn when you fight him possessed by sovereign he is a beast. however if one edited all the tactical pauses I made my fight with him too about 30-40 seconds. cast singularity and barriers and shoot the shiet out of him with a shotgun and be quick and agile and dont be a noob and lick my balls and suck my dick and you can make it
R2rGangstaFC 11 months ago
"the most dramatic end boss fight i ever seen" lol dude there is others games with boss fights u now? this fight was lame easy and stupid.there is by far better boss fights than this eaz mode right here.
shinigamidu13 1 year ago
If the books are considered Canon then surely Saren wasn't really a hero. He was quite a nasty Spectre and kept the discovery of Sovereign a secret so he could use it himself...
NobIeSavage 1 year ago
Saren is to mass effect what Loghain is to dragon age. Both awesome characters in their own right.
saitoe503 1 year ago
More like "An hero" Amirite?
KMxHearts 1 year ago 15
@KMxHearts winrar.
Gotyeman 5 months ago
@KMxHearts you mean anti-hero
B1itZKr3iGC4 4 months ago
@B1itZKr3iGC4 Nope. Google "an hero" and you will know.
SternMann93 3 months ago
The fact that a game antagonist can stimulate so much discussion is a true testament to Biowares storytelling abilities.
Bravo. My favourite game series of all time.
TheDoogleBoy 1 year ago
Heh...a hero that went An Hero.Bioware is full of trolls...
Deathseeker214 1 year ago
@Deathseeker214 I see what you did there...
PaceBreaker23 1 year ago
When he was a spectre he was more or less purely black and white. Not necessarily bad but not really good either. He did have a intense disregard for collatereal damage and was quite racist.
He clearly seeks out the reaper in hopes of gaining its power for himself.
Just Read "Mass Effect: Revelations".
But he does redeem himself in the paragon ending.
CanadianRunner 1 year ago
Ya know, I after ME1 I hoped we would find (in ME2 or 3) something like a hidden Headquarter of Saren where he left all his informatiions / technologies that could be used against the Reapers, in Case that he would fall to the indoctrination.
And there, we mabe meet something like a hologramm, an VI / AI with his uploaded memories that guides Shepard through the Story.
DerOrk 1 year ago
@DerOrk good idea! damn it XD
FallenAndRised 1 year ago
good way to ruin a end boss confrontation with over-sentimental music.
MaxwellBennett 1 year ago
it was heroic action to kill him self. just think about it, he was fighting sovereign's indoctrination and the only way to defeat it was to shoot him self. the husk at the end was not saren at all. so at least he put him self out, so it wouldnt be 2 final bosses.
BetoG34 1 year ago
he had some good ideas but ultamiotly "srry my spelling" i would still prefer to fight then live as slaves to the reapers. Live as slaves or tools under a being that believes itself superior. Nazis to jews. kkk to blacks. We would be tools or slaves used and then desposed of. he was a fool no hero. He had his heart in the right place but his mind NO.
jerichotherogue 1 year ago
It was a final act of redemption. Redemption requires that there be something worth redeeming himself for. He did plenty of evil shit and he is at best an anti-hero, but by no means a full-proof hero.
TrEvADiZasTA 1 year ago
He rests in peace until sovereign just takes control of the husk that he has become and goes insane.
246trinitrotoluene 1 year ago
Ok, so hitler killed himself before he could screw people over...and then he became zombie hitler...crap...I wish I was making this up. I swore I wouldn't rain on anyones parade so I will say Saren's last act was...Nobel, I don't think that qualifies him for saint hood, but I see why he might engender some sympathy. it's not like I went balls to the wall and killed myslef to stop space satin from destroying the universe...Wow these metaphores are fun, what an awesome game.
owlmage 1 year ago
If you ever read the book mass effect: revelation, you would know that saren was never good, always evil.
ninemarrow 1 year ago 3
@ninemarrow saren gets the job done no matter what the cost..... unlike anderson who would disobey the council's order and pursue khalee sanders, no offence.
sriv1988 1 year ago
Saren wasn't a hero.
AspiringPotato 1 year ago
Saren was a dick even before the indoctrination. Maybe his ruthless slaughter of innocent people can be explained away by labeling him a "renegade type specter" but he blamed it on Anderson to keep him out of the Specters. Not to mention he's obviously racist towards humans. This scene show's he's not completely evil, but I wouldn't toss "hero" around at any point in his description.
Goobster1920 1 year ago 3
although I have yet to play the game, this made me sad...
caitric 1 year ago
You're all missing the point. Before Mass Effect, Saren embodied the 'Renegade' type of Spectre. Spectres could either be peacekeepers, or ruthless assasins, when Captain Anderson was trying out, Saren was gonna blow up the whole base whether or not innocent civilians were inside for the good of the galaxy. If you're a Renegade, you even agree with Saren on that point when talking to Anderson.
He was only acting like this when he was indoctrinated.
Kaweebo 1 year ago 2
@Kaweebo I like that part, it has weight. If saren had new about the reapers and their indoctrination, saren would have had the chance to destroy sovereign and join shepard.
sriv1988 1 year ago
Yeah, see, even Renegades are good enough not wanting to join Sovereign. The only difference is Renegades are a little more rough about it.
Kaweebo 1 year ago
I really do miss Saren, he was an awesome antagonist. You believe he is the true enemy a long way, then you discover he is under control, and then if you play your cards right you find he still has a strike of pride left in him.
All I got in ME2 were collectors, kinda cool, and Harbringer... pretty darn cool voice over but not as personal as Saren. Oh well, maybe we will see some awesome DLC or a reference in ME3. Come on Bioware!
FaslifiedHero 1 year ago 54
@FaslifiedHero i would love to
sriv1988 1 year ago
@FaslifiedHero Squad mate in ME3! hopefully.
chunga100 9 months ago
@FaslifiedHero It was basically the same story in ME2 tbh, except that it was the entire Prothean race instead of just Saren.
They're also under the reaper's control, but they did make it a bit more personal by killing you in the beginning and by directly attacking your ship while it was defenceless. Taking everyone aboard, except Joker of course, was also kind of a bitch move.
IMO ME2 had the better story and conclusion while ME1 had the better setting.
Squiglypig 8 months ago
@Squiglypig Meh, everyone has their opinions, if you like the second one better then its whatever. I just feel the first one was better in terms of story, however I have to give props to ME2's combat system.
FaslifiedHero 8 months ago
@FaslifiedHero One sad thing about ME2 was that the RPG elements were minimized and were almost absent.
n00bAnkka234 8 months ago
You are all worng if you played the whole game you would have found out that Saren was always evil from Captin Anderson. Anderson went on a mission with Saren who was evaluating Anderson, who was "trying out" to be a Spectre. Saren blew up a base and killed abunch of "innocient" people and then blamed Anderson saying it was his fault and he did not become a Spectre.
HealingSixes 1 year ago
@HealingSixes if u had read the novel then u would know that it was anderson who wants to split from saren to save khalee sanders disobeying his orders. if he had been with saren in the mission all along maybe the outcome of mission of mission would have been different. so don't try to play as saren was all evil, he is just the renegade type who gets the job done.
sriv1988 1 year ago
Felt sad for him at the very end when Saren tries to break free of Soverign's control. And says " Goodbye, Shepard Thankyou ".
Harshalcv11 1 year ago 4
when i played this, wrex was the one who shot him after this. I think that's much more effective, story-wise
Raklryja 1 year ago
@Raklryja especially since he asks you to be the one who kills him haha
TrEvADiZasTA 1 year ago
its sovereign not the sovereign
privatecade2222 1 year ago
Once you've read mass effect: revelation AND played mass effect, you can see what kind of character he really is.
He is really complex but he mostly ressembles renegade sheppard.
Get the job done, no matter what.
He uses torture, doesn't care for other's lives and will do anything to accomplish his goals.
But in the end, he did it all to save the universe
deedeeke1991 1 year ago
Saren is a bully
Nerevar1990 1 year ago
saren and shepard are the most kickass guys in video game history Bioware really has constructed the most kickass characters and storyline and i just hope hollywood doesnt fuck it all up with the movie
fiveo100 1 year ago 3
I laughed at the end of this video - ok so his mind was gone when he shot himself in the head, but his body sure didn't rest in peace for long - 20 seconds later he pulls a terminator ressurrection and the final battle begin.
I'm not sure 'good' guy is quite right either...good and evil are too simplistic.
Tragic hero is the best description I can think of.
Good video though - and I agree it's one of the best final cut-scenes/exchange I've seen in a game.
Teloculos 1 year ago
Saren was a racist and renegade before Sovereign, he wasn't a good guy. But I honestly believe the only reason he joined Sovereign was out of fear and because he felt it was the only way to save anyone.
For that, I can't really hate him because it's so...I guess "human" wouldn't be correct, but normal for the fact that alot of people would feel the same as he did.
Only someone as bullheaded as Shepard would stand alone and still be able to say that he could defeat the reapers.
streetcakePC 1 year ago
Saren is more of a tragic anti-hero.
iOnlySignIn 1 year ago
@iOnlySignIn not really
c0llosus 1 year ago
@iOnlySignIn All the bad things came up to him, once he was experiencing all the shit... His brother was killed, he began to hate humanity for that and Council which made turians to pay reparations... He is ruthless, angry, BUT he was admired by COuncil as the BEST Spectre that they have! He was cleaning all the toughest criminal shit in the universe and just this statement proves that he was worthy and good! Just the fucking reapers blown his mind up, which they could do to anyone even faster..
FallenAndRised 1 year ago
damm the reapers
sriv1988 1 year ago
@FallenAndRised its true.........
sriv1988 1 year ago
Saren:"Good Bye Shepard...Thank you..."
Didn't see such a sad end ANYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!
FallenAndRised 1 year ago
Revelation had actually showed me the better side of Saren. He was ruthless, agreed, but his intentions were right. Same with Benezia. He was willing to take his own life to set back Sovereign, which showed resistance against indoctrination. And yes, if he commits suicide you don't have to fight the FIRST battle. So start earning up paragon or renegade, and make sure you have a paragon or renagade conversation with him on Virmire first.
champayne17 1 year ago
That would be my dream to have him in a squad T_T! Guys DID YOU READ Mass Effect: Revelation? Damn he is so professional! His skills represent more than Anderson's and Shepard's together!
FallenAndRised 1 year ago
@FallenAndRised atleast i would love to have his clone in my squad..... then i would have him as my second in command
sriv1988 1 year ago
Think of this story as if Saren is bought back to life in M.E 3 as they did to Shepard in M.E 2. Both Shepard and Saren then lead the battle against reapers. It would be awsome. I want to see Saren in M.E 3. Bioware please make my dream come true.
sriv1988 1 year ago
@sriv1988 That would be cool, but how would they pull that off in the story? Shepard at least left a body behind. Saren turned into a robot skeleton thing and then disintegrated into space dust :/ .
champayne17 1 year ago
@champayne17 I would not Saren turned into robot... He was already dead when he shot himself... The robot was the implants joined together inside of his body... Saren was resting already when the fight between Shep and Sovereign began!
Too bad it is true, his body was fucking tore apart by the implants which came out of the flesh... I don't think, but I hope we will meet him again somewhere... He is too damn cool to vanish in the first part of trilogy T_T O_O -_-
FallenAndRised 1 year ago
@champayne17 Perhapes a clone? That could work. Say Cerberus found a small trace of Saren's dna and used it to clone him. In Mass Effect 3, his clone escapes Cerberus hands and finds Shepard later on, to join him in his fight against the reapers, in order to redeem himself for his past mistakes. This could also cause conflicts within his crew since people like Garrus absolutely dispise Saren. Sounds awesome to me :D
Rev332 1 year ago
@Rev332 I actually read a fan fic where Saren's consciousness was downloaded into a Reaper database. Shepard attacked one of the reapers, entered it, and met Saren as an hmm "AI" who fully understand all his previous life and what is going on right now. He was like a "geth" downloaded in Reaper. Out of this great idea, you can bring Saren back to the story, but not in his body :) I don't know what you think about idea, I think it is great and better than clone! No ne has purpose to clone him...
FallenAndRised 1 year ago
have u seen the 6th day movie. in that they would record the memory and take some kind of samples to create clones.like that bioware could do some new concept to bring saren back. everyone in council sees cerberus as enemy and noone sees the reapers coming, so in order to gain council's trust & something like that. Cerberus does the unthinkable, bring saren back using some data & medical samples of saren they gathered after his first encounter with sovereign, so that he remembers what happened.
sriv1988 1 year ago
@champayne17 i would prefer if they give us a mission in m.e 3 to retrive saren's genetic clone with all his memories from a vat tank just as we rescude grunt in m.e 2.
sriv1988 1 year ago
Saren was a hero until he was indoctrinated by Soverign.
To prove my point :
He was a spectre. A spectre means defender and protector of the galaxy, both first and last line of defence before a full scale war.
That is the reason he approached soverign in a hope to stop the invasion, but it backfired him.
I get it why many hate Saren. They say he was a racist, don't any of you dare tell me that the humans ar not.
sriv1988 1 year ago 60
@sriv1988
Well put.
But, actually, coming in contact with the Reapers changed him a lot, and I'm not talking about the indoctrination.
It may sound stupid, but hear me out.
Saren was a monster before.
He didn't care about anything or anyone, as long as he could complete the mission.If you've read the novels, you'll know.
After he tried to make a deal with Sovereign, he sacrificed everything he could in order to save galactic civilization, or so he thought.
He didn't do any of it for himself.
UshiromiyaReiji 1 year ago
@sriv1988
He was not "good" or "evil" during the events of the game.
While he wasn't a hero, he was not a villain either.
To put it in a simpler way, in a world of black and white, where white is justice and black villainy, he was a shade of gray.
While his previous actions were ruthless, brutal and cold-hearted, all he did after he thought he had made a deal with Sovereign was him trying to protect the Galaxy - what he swore to do when he first became a Spectre.
UshiromiyaReiji 1 year ago
@sriv1988
His intentions were pure this time.It was different from before.
He didn't do it for himself, he didn't profit in any way out of what he did.
And while his methods were somewhat twisted, he did NOT actually mean harm - he wanted to protect, he wanted to prevent every organic species from suffering the Protheans' fate.
He sacrificed everything he could for that goal.
He was no Paragon, he was no role-model, but he was brave enough to take the risk of making a deal with the Reapers.
UshiromiyaReiji 1 year ago
@sriv1988
And for that, I respect him.Even though it was naive of him to think the Reapers would spare organics, he did all he could.
Saren was an amazing character.
He is definetely one of the best"villains" in the history of gaming.
UshiromiyaReiji 1 year ago
@sriv1988 but before he confronted soverign wasn't he ruthless by willing to kill innocents to save others during his missions as a Spectre. But yeah in the end Saren is a hero and was only evil in the game because he was indoctrinated.
MarzX1802 1 year ago 3
@sriv1988 Saren was not a hero, he was ruthless and would commit genocide for a council assignment. Still, you sense in some way, that he is still within reason, he can be persuaded, given the right reasons. So, he was not a hero but an anti-hero.
MaybeYesNo90 1 year ago
@sriv1988
First: One man's hero is another man's villain. Saren was vindictive, petty and cruel before he became indoctrinated, as relayed by Anderson.
Second: We have no idea about how Saren was approached by Sovereign, thus your argument is void.
Third: You are comparing one turian vs the entire human race. Don't. It makes you look like an idiot.
Promenius 1 year ago
@sriv1988 Just saying, you miss the already inherent irrationally-dangerous behaviour described in Mass Effect: Ascension and by Anderson if you talk to him about his past with Saren. Saren doesn't give a shit about the people who he is supposed to protect. He will do all he can to slander humans at the cost of others.
wizardsbane 1 year ago
@sriv1988 Have you read the first novel? He originally approached Sovereign in hopes of utilizing its power to help Turians become more powerful than Humans, Asari, and Salarians so they could dominate the council. Saren wanted become the most powerful figure in the galaxy. I don't disagree that he was seen as a hero to the galaxy before hand, but his intentions were never noble; he was corrupt and he did not know about the Reaper invasion when he initially discovered Sovereign.
crimsonkiller90 1 year ago
@sriv1988 Actually, before the games even started he was really even more monsterous than ever. It wasn't just racism either. If you want some examples, look on his character page on the Mass Effect wikia, and read everything up. And Spectre doesn't exactly mean a person is a great guy either, it just means they get results, and Saren got them. Often with piles of bodies behind him, and not all of them criminals either. Shepard can actually be an example if you play as a Renegade too.
MrMoros1 1 year ago
@sriv1988 Yeah but Saren was at best an anti-hero. His two rules of conduct were "Never kill anyone without a reason" followed by "You can always find a reason".
richardwarnercool1 1 year ago
@sriv1988 saren was an @ss,nilius say it,anderson say it,u saw it
shinigamidu13 1 year ago
@sriv1988 YOU HUMANS ARE ALL RACIST
jamister91 11 months ago
@sriv1988 Its not real life dude, is just a game...
joyadeceren 11 months ago
@joyadeceren Urgh, I really hate it when people say shit like that. We are all fully aware that this is fiction, but the entire point of mediums like games, books and movies is to get you to feel for the characters and empathize with their emotions. Yes, it's just a game, but that doesn't undermine the credibility of creativity that went into the story which some people just cannot seem to appreciate. -_-
ajw34307 11 months ago
@ajw34307 Come on dude... relax this is only a game :D...
joyadeceren 11 months ago
@sriv1988
Hey, what about his last action when he won against the indoctrination by killing himself?
Rabascan 11 months ago
@sriv1988 im not racist!...........im prejudice, against most things
torazn 11 months ago
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ChapterX11 9 months ago
@sriv1988
Not read revelation? Saren approached sovereign to use it as a weapon to destroy humanity, he was a hero up until his brother was killed in the first contact war by humans. Ever since then he hated us, and some humans are racist, not all, but some. PS sovereign's real name is Nazara, Saren was the one who called it sovereign.
ChapterX11 9 months ago
i dont think you can call saren a hero, after all he was ruthless, mean, and a racist. but you can clearly say he turned his back on sovereign, and tryed to be good again and he did what he had to do it.
lordifandk 1 year ago
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Saren was a hero until he was indoctrinated by Soverign.
To prove my point :
He was a spectre. A spectre means defender and protector of the galaxy, both first and last line of defence before a full scale war.
That is the reason he approached soverign in a hope to stop the invasion, but it backfired him.
I get it why many hate Saren. They say he was a racist, don't any of you dare tell me that the humans ar not.
sriv1988 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Saren was a hero until he was indoctrinated by Soverign.
To prove my point :
He was a spectre. A spectre means defender and protector of the galaxy, both first and last line of defence before a full scale war.
That is the reason he approached soverign in a hope to stop the invasion, but it backfired him.
I get it why many hate Saren. They say he was a racist, don't any of you dare tell me that the humans ar not.
sriv1988 1 year ago
Saren was no hero. Read the novel revelation. He was a ruthless bastard through and through.
watchinginaz 1 year ago
but he gets the job done no matter what. and that is one of the types of person who can protect the galaxy
sriv1988 1 year ago
saren was a tragic hero - his original intentions was to save the galaxy from the reapers, but his history of ruthless solutions and tactics made him vulnerable . saren realized that the council would not believe his claims about the reapers so he felt he needed to handle it alone, but he was unprepared for sovereign's abilities. even the power of a wise asari matriarch was not enough to help saren fight off the indoctrination process, for she was also turned.
pml4010 1 year ago
saren was a bitch. glad he shot him self in the face. rest in peace mother fucker >:(
psnlonewolf1994 1 year ago
Requiescat in Pace Saren.
DexNoxtious 1 year ago
@DexNoxtious isn't it DE pace?
unknownunkownunkown 1 year ago
@unknownunkownunkown wikipedia org/wiki/Rest_in_peace It's Requiescat in Pace.
"Rest in peace" (Latin: Requiescat in pace) is a short epitaph or idiomatic expression wishing eternal rest and peace to someone that has died.
DexNoxtious 1 year ago
@postapocalyptia Overall I think ME2 is vastly superior to ME1 in virtually every way but you're right; There's no Saren.
psychee1 1 year ago
@psychee1 The story in ME2 kind of disappointed though, it seemed to me like it was just "an excuse" for a game inbetween the first and the third. Both the first and second end with the same thing: Reaper invasion coming. Don't get me wrong, ME2 had vastly superior gameplay and storytelling, but it just didn't quite match the epic extent of the story in ME1.
Moliat 1 year ago
without saren in mass effect 2, i think it class is a bit lowered from m.e 2.
but m.e 2 was great in many ways. i also enjoyed the kasumi dlc where they would bring saren's statue. it was awesome
sriv1988 1 year ago
Wait, if Saren commits suicide, do you not have to fight him?
axcfds 1 year ago
@axcfds The implants Sovereign installed bring him back to life and real hard to kill.
TillDeathAndBack 1 year ago
One thing missing from Mass Effect 2, a fresh villain. Harbinger wasn't even as scary as Sovereign, he's too cliché and repetitive.
spoonmonkey14 1 year ago
whats the music at the beginning?
bballplayernumber4 1 year ago
No. Saren an hero. :D
xXelmarcoCFCXx 1 year ago
Saren is an hero who doesn't afraid of anything.
PlatinumIvory 1 year ago
Cool concept for a video! Watching this though, I'm so glad I chose the sexy voiced female character, the male character sounds a bit silly! :P
TonyMistry 1 year ago
Saren was by far the most developed and respectable villian in any game i've ever played, he died a hero. I was trying to figure out a way that he could return for the final game in the trilogy but I don't see how that could happen. If it did happen somehow imagine how amazing it would be if Shepard and Sarne teamed up against the Reapers for the final battle :0
MolotovSolution117 1 year ago
@MolotovSolution117 Would be FUCKING awesome!!!!!!!
FrostyMichael 1 year ago
that is exactly what im hoping for in M.E3. saren needs to be brought back.
sriv1988 1 year ago
Damn, I didn't know I could spare me that boss fight.
Skullchaser08 1 year ago
Yes, saren is a bad guy but in the game he really did ally himself to the reapers to save the universe imo but because of soverign he could control himself and stared to bring the end to the universe. I think this because at the end shepard has the option to show saren him mistakes which leads to him ending it all by killing himself.
GOINxPOSTAL 1 year ago
its not "The Soverign"... its just Soverign :P just to clarify... (;
Dementus789 1 year ago
Ehmmm, saren IS evil. If you read the first Mass Effect book (I believe it was called Revelation) you'll see that Saren hated humans and actually enjoyed killing humans long before he got indoctrinated by Sovereign. He always hated humans and he always saw us rather death than alive. How is that not evil?
LucvdMortel 1 year ago
@LucvdMortel his anti human point of view comes from the fact that his brother was killed by Humans, he isn't really evil if anything he is a ruthless renegade with a grudge who gets the job done by any means.
he worked with Sovereign to show the worth of organics to the Reapers in hopes that they wouldn't be wiped out. So his intentions were good, if misguided.
If he was evil the events that took place in the Paragon playthrough which is considered canon, would never happen
Scribby87 1 year ago
@Scribby87 His brother's death and his grudge on humans do not justify his actions. I bet you also think Hitler wasn't evil, right? He wanted to create a perfect world unified under one flag, so his intentions where good, if misguided, right?
And wtf, Paragon is canon? LOL! No. If anything in Mass Effect is canon at all, it's actually Renegade. A default new game in ME2 starts with a neutral-renegade Shepard, who killed the Rachni, killed Wrex and let the the Council die. So yeah, go figure.
LucvdMortel 1 year ago