Also, if you say this isn't music, then you have to be able to draw and define the line where something stops being music and becomes something else. And I promise you, you can't do that.
If you don't like it, at least respect the craftsmanship. It isn't just random sounds, the whole thing is VERY carefully "notated" and uses some incredibly difficult vocal techniques. If you say it disturbed you than you've admitted that it's both effective and powerful. Ignorant.
@CantataOnslaughta You can very carefully notate total randomness. A lot of contemporary classical just bothers me to be honest. I'd have no problem with it if it wasn't taken so seriously. The vast majority of the time that I have dealt with contemporary classical composers they simply say "you don't get it" and it's blatant that there is a large deal of randomness and then making sense from the randomness after, it's often more pretentious and ignorant than anything else.
@ElectronicIntervals Actually, Berio's compositions during earlier forays generally had, I judge, knowingly linked material nontonally. Or perhaps quirky SERIALISM randomizes the ugly voice? Well, xenophobe, you're zonked.
(Random is a tricky word to use here-- the point of serialism was to remove the composers' bias by the use of a strict system, so in a sense the order is random, though the choice of sounds may not be; John Cage pointed this out, and made the randomness explicit in the 1970s)
@KarrotKun1 definitely believe it. It was the first thing I thought when I heard it, and the second thing I thought when I saw the graphical score- the first being that I doubt cathy and berio lacked any chemistry during their marriage :L
No dudo de la capacidad vocal de la ejecutante, pero a Berio la mama le pateaba la cabeza y por eso escribia (¿Como se escribe todo eso?) lo que escribia.
renseigne toi avant de dire des commentaires négatifs... les sequenzas ont été écrites pour ''tester'' le registre et les différentes possibilitées d'un instrument.
Più che come musica, io la vedo come un'espressione artistica nel senso generale. Sarò troppo classicista, ma tendo ad identificare con musica qualcosa che abbia melodia, armonia e ritmo insieme, non O uno O l'altro. Anche se, dopotutto, c'è chi chiama musica la "house".
Ma qui è solo una pura questione di terminologia, con questo, infatti, non ho nulla da togliere a quest'interpretazione tecnicamente eccezionale.
Io credo che ognuno possa esprimere la propria opinione su questa musica (che poi si fonde anche un po' all'arte dell'interpretazione perchè provate a pensare di scrivere una risata sul pentagramma!). Ma nessuno può determinare se la musica in questione sia veramente musica o no. La musica, ormai, è entrata anche dentro un tran tran che va oltre il piacere delle orecchie.
this is not music... this is an art performce... still very difficult to perform this piece... and as an art fantastic... well as music. no just because is not music.. personal opinion anyway.
Berio è indubbiamente tra i più grandi compositori del mondo. Una capacità compositiva mostrata in più occasioni e che ha attraversato uno dei più bei periodi musicali della nostra storia, diventandone così testimone intelligente ed intellegibile.
Le sequenze restano una delle sue testimonianze più concrete, amirabili ed amate.
@ jo21696: You say:"a comment that demonstrate again the effect of this senseless music ...why spending so much of your time commenting on something that is supposely senseless to you, everything of your comments scream the opposite funny".
This is an example of abstruse highbrow-reasoning, that complicates the reality of things without necessity and gets on the contrary of what reality is.
I generally don't like modern classical music, but occasionally there is something I like. I like Berio's Sequenza's, and Sinfonia but that could be because of the other fantastic pieces in it.
However, I cannot stand pieces such as "Visage" which is unfortunately what modern music is becoming more and more like.
Eventually though, a new style will be created. I hope everyone can enjoy it.
Cane e mentecatto, la libertà di opinione permette a tutti di dire la propia, non di tediare metà web ripetendo la *stessa* cosa sottu *tutti* i video dedicati ad un musicista che non si apprezza.
Le opinioni le abbiamo tutti, merdina, ma non tutte le cazzate che ti attraversano la mente vanno ripetute fino allo sfinimento.
E adesso buon appetito con il tuo piatto di cazzi, ingordo.
Mio stupidissimo idiota dal cervello di gallina, ho lasciato un commento negativo per ciascuna composizione e ho risposto a chi mi "quotava". E'un forum questo, non una lapide su cui lasci un'iscrizione, ritardato: si scambiano opinioni e si confutano quelle avversarie. Perché questa rabbia non ti è venuta quando molti hanno scritto e ripetuto commenti positivi su Berio, deficiente?
Ah, forse tu permetti solo quelli...
Compositori da strapazzo, proseliti rompicazzo. :-)
figo, sei italiano allora. Me lo dovevo immaginare...
se non conosci una beata cippa di musica evita di dare opinioni assolute.
L'opinione è sempre rispettabile ma pare che tu non voglia capire l'evidenza, e cioè che per capire ogni tipo di musica ci voglia studio e dedizione.
E' inutile essere buonisti, chi non studia non può capire Berio, e per "chi studia" non parlo nè di musicisti nè di musicologi, ma i poveri cristi che cercano di capire le ragioni di un pezzo o di una tecnica
Per tua informazione ho studiato più di quanto tu creda...
Ma vedo che vi siete fatti rincoglionire abbstanza con concettualismi da strapazzo che cercano di conferire un senso e una dignità musicale a queste orrende stupidaggini, che, vecchie decrepite (e senza alcun pubblico reale), qualcuno vorrebbe ancora spacciare per la vera musica del futuro.
Vai a leggerti i miei commenti su Allevi e vedrai che cosa ne penso di quella specie di compositore ritardato, che scrive siglette per telefilm sullo stile dei compositori per film americani degli anni 70 e 80, i quali, a loro modo, sono stati almeno originali senza la pretesa di aver scritto capolavori.
Ehilà laurion, ma perchè sotto ogni video di Berio trovo sempre un tuo commento? :)
Personalmente ho adorato la sequenza per voce dalla prima volta che l'ho sentita e ne ho parecchie versioni. Questa è una delle mie preferite (insieme a quella della Berberian).
@masilybox Maybe the Sinfonia IS real music - but this isn't. So what's your point? If Schoenberg decided to take a shit on manuscript paper, I bet you'd love it.
@jeffamarie You are one of those people, I see? Stop with the whole "This isn't real music" thing. Music is organized sound and silence. Some music is good to some people, some is bad. I enjoy this because it shows the pure amount of sounds that can be made from just a voice, and it is incredible from an acoustic standpoint. Please read up on the philosophy of John Cage and sound.
@ShevanelSaeglopur No, music is whatever somebody is able to understand. Sound is sound. Music has culture and precedence behind it. This simply isn't a language that's agreed upon by any number of people... even serialism would count for more than this...
Just because you enjoy it, doesn't make it music. I enjoy listening to the sound of trees in a breeze, but it doesn't mean anything to me. I enjoy grilled cheese. It doesn't mean I go 'ah, THERE'S the cheese!' lol
@ShevanelSaeglopur Music as we know it started with a purpose - drumbeats to time dancing steps, sounds of "wailing" to denote sadness during a ceremony, which make their way into classical music and even modern popular music, sounds of nature, birds, etc. to denote happiness... but the music that came from them develops almost immediately into a LANGUAGE. Why? So that others know their role within the music. So that listeners feel more than just ENJOYMENT of a piece of music.
@ShevanelSaeglopur Finally, "I am one of those people"? You forget that we're all people - more alike than different - and that our communications mean something to each other. You understand me, and the greater miracle is putting all the vast variety of words together in the RIGHT PLACE, rather than just exposing them in some vain, self-absorbed way.
@jeffamarie This is a pointless argument. You make it sound like Berio just threw stuff on a page without any purpose whatsoever. There is a definite structure here, and a definite amount of emotion. If you went back to the time of plainchant, people would've found the music of Mahler to be repulsive and would not have called it music. Berio focuses on the gestures of voice in this piece, and the gestures of voice do elicit an emotional reaction if you actually LISTEN. Open your ears.
@ShevanelSaeglopur I'm a composer, and I know that this music has been around for a while. I know people who compose with Berio as an influence... but when I ask them how they use Berio as an influence, it's usually in some way that has nothing at all to do with any established set of idioms.
Therefore, using plainchant and Mahler in your argument are probably not great analogies. Emotion? Sure, I can see that... organized language? Well, let me ask - how is this connected to music before it?
@jeffamarie It is connected with the music prior to it in the same way that most modern compositions are. There are definite pitches to be perceived at places that aren't supposed to be representative of speech, there is definite rhythm, and concentration on texture. That's what all of the sequenzas essentially are. The great thing about music now is that it doesn't necessarily have to completely connect to previous music. It's a new musical language, yet still structured and purposeful.
@ShevanelSaeglopur That's fine that it HAS those things. I'm just going to tell you - I don't know if this is music to you, because I'd have to get inside your head to be able to discern that, and your word that it is doesn't mean you aren't confusing it with listening to any other source of sound... but this is definitely not music to me - I hear it, I'm processing it, but it has no cultural meaning for me. I hear absolutely no culture in this, or any musical influence. There's no reference.
a comment that demonstrate again the effect of this senseless music ...why spending so much of your time commenting on something that is supposely senseless to you, everything of your comments scream the opposite funny
i had to listen to this in my music class at school and it had me in tears cause i was laughing so much xDD im not really all that sure that it is proper music though... its just a bunch of noises put together with the occasional laghter... i think its great though xDD
I love it. dadaism rocks! its diffrent to the other commercial stuff Oo people should be more open-minded towards those kind of art directions! I think its even more difficult to interpret it than a normal pop song, because these dadaism-songs demand more emotions...
this is in the a level anthology for music, i've had a look at it though wqe don't have to study it, the notation is amazing. if you fancy looking for edexcel NAM, you can find it lol.
Ive just done this type of music in GCSE music the notation is riddiculous. The music is supposed to have an element of chance so every singers version is different. The main theme of the song is sex as you can hear (orgasmic sounds)throughout. AMAZIN !!! :)
I was pretty familiar with Sequenza XI for guitar before seeing this. I have only listened to Sequenza XI twice in it's entirety. It's a very hard piece to understand, but after seeing this performance of No. III and a few of the other ones I now see a pattern of preferences that Berio employed in these pieces. This particular performance really wowed me, the girl is amazing, and her torso gestures specifically, present an honest, or an ego-less interpretation to the composer's music.
Hmmm... The performance is a fantastic show of what the human voice can do. But I can't really understand what is trying to be expressed through it, other than "look at me I can do things with my voice". There seem to be far to many overly anal musicians here, but I can't help but feel people like it because they should...
This is genius, but it's crazy. If I closed my eyes and listened to this before I went to sleep, I would either a) never fall asleep, b) go crazy c) both.
why am i being ignorant? I don't like avant garde music. i have perfect reason for it. it's more statement than music. you can't honestly say berio wrote this because of it's sound! he wrote it to say "fuck you" to conventions. many other composers managed to do this and stay musical (berlioz, beethoven) but Berio is just a little too much on the politcal side for me to enjoy his music on a musical level
you arent supposed to listen to it in the same context as more "normal" composers. you are supposed to appreciate all the sounds that can be created with the human voice, and the pitch/rhythmic relations that can be created from these new sounds. berio's sequenzi are all brilliant pieces, i have a copy of the score to this one, if you are interested in seeing what it looks like. extremely fascinating! shoot me a message. monty
thanks. I do see why some would like it. i just don't appreciate it's musical value. I have the score too. pretty odd. strange how it is mostly one one line only until two others appear when a vague pitch is suggested.
I realise that. but there's also more to genius than just making weird noises. get over it, i have my opinion and you have yours. that's the way arguements about music will always be. there's no fact
It is wrong to tell someone how to listen to a piece. Maybe you could show me where Berio wrote how this music is "supposed to" be listened to or how it is "supposed to" be appreciated.
I've not heard this before, but I love it! Can someone tell me if it's specifically for a high female voice, or if it was intended to be done by either a man or a woman? Thanks for any input!
The instructions say that it's written for "woman's voice" so I think that any female voice type can do it if they want. Also late in the instructions he says "singer/actor".
this is definitely for women. Even since the one-sentence lyric of this piece is "give me a few words for a woman to sing a truth allowing us to build a house before night comes"
I just don't understand how you can consider yourself a musician, an artist, if you are just going to totally reject modern and progressive art. I'm sorry I was so harsh, it's just I have already had so many experiences with singers being totally unable to accept and cherish modern creativity.
Can you at least appreciate the amazing control and technique in this performance?
Of course I do appreciate it! I wuld be unfriendly if I`d not. But I - just for me personally - am happy that I am allowed to sing the great arias from Puccini or Mozart. I did not attack the singer for she is great, no doubt. I attacked the "music". It is just a matter of taste.
I am far away from beingh aggressive. It is just not "My cup of tea". ;)
But my hobby also is not everyones cup of tea. (Shooting movies etc.) Most of ppl. spend their time reading books or m,aking party, I am making Movies and Writing books. And for a job I sing.
Frankly, you're both right, experimental vocal technique is never going to be fit for a mainstream audience in such a sparce manner as this. Although it is most certainly, without fear of contradiction, music. Although parts of it could quite happily be removed from this contact and used as sound effects for aliens.
Berio is not an experimental vocal technique anymore. This piece was compose in 1927... since then vocal technique has evolved A LOT. This is one fo the most incredible compositions for voice of the XX century, and its surely a masterwork. Have you ever heard japanese or hindhu music? Experimental since a few thousand years ago? What are you consider Experimental... mainstream audience?
I really do doubt berio wrote this piece when he was 2, seeing as how he was born in 1925. You should check your facts out, and this is coming from a musician who has performed Berio (i have a video). For my two cents, a Berio sequenza is best performed along with substantial repertoire from other areas of classical music in a recital. Or, if you've had the rare opportunity to see them all performed sequentially, that is best.
Yeh maybe. I was only replying to a comment below as they said something about a two year old. Twas just a joke. This piece is a sorry excuse for music though, in my opinion
Also, if you say this isn't music, then you have to be able to draw and define the line where something stops being music and becomes something else. And I promise you, you can't do that.
CantataOnslaughta 6 months ago
If you don't like it, at least respect the craftsmanship. It isn't just random sounds, the whole thing is VERY carefully "notated" and uses some incredibly difficult vocal techniques. If you say it disturbed you than you've admitted that it's both effective and powerful. Ignorant.
CantataOnslaughta 6 months ago
@CantataOnslaughta You can very carefully notate total randomness. A lot of contemporary classical just bothers me to be honest. I'd have no problem with it if it wasn't taken so seriously. The vast majority of the time that I have dealt with contemporary classical composers they simply say "you don't get it" and it's blatant that there is a large deal of randomness and then making sense from the randomness after, it's often more pretentious and ignorant than anything else.
ElectronicIntervals 5 months ago
@ElectronicIntervals Actually, Berio's compositions during earlier forays generally had, I judge, knowingly linked material nontonally. Or perhaps quirky SERIALISM randomizes the ugly voice? Well, xenophobe, you're zonked.
(Random is a tricky word to use here-- the point of serialism was to remove the composers' bias by the use of a strict system, so in a sense the order is random, though the choice of sounds may not be; John Cage pointed this out, and made the randomness explicit in the 1970s)
origamimadness 3 months ago
さすがベリオだと思うーー！ 無調
goyogoyo247 8 months ago
this women is the mose incredible performer! whether you like the music or not you cant deny it!
theirritatedferret 8 months ago in playlist AS Set Works - Instrumental & Vocal Music 2011 3
FUCK THIS SHIT
AeroAstro 8 months ago
casual orgasm at about 1:20 is epic xD
Andrewy15 8 months ago 3
@JSBach90 Maybe you dont understand it. Is music.
azaelchazii 8 months ago 4
My Professor Performed this piece in class~ SHIT WAS REAL
Mr2010Jnasty 8 months ago 5
I want to slap someone after listening to this....
amandakasem 9 months ago 2
Piece of rubbish!
ale9357 9 months ago
cannot be unseen
xCherryPandax 9 months ago
Terrible.
TromboneMan111 9 months ago
Fabulous! How did I not see this before? I'm impressed!
kdskelton 9 months ago
Now that I think about it...the band Mindless Self Indulgence comes to mind! LOL
Would appreciate what you all think of this. Do you agree?
subtenk0 11 months ago
I understand the concept, it is very intriguing.
I only do not like some of the sounds made, but that is just my preference.
There is much that one can do with this kind of music.
TeamInferno81 11 months ago
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TeamInferno81 11 months ago
I'm glad I'm not the only person who didn't like it haha
Sucklessguitarvids 11 months ago
Berio los agarra para la joda a todos.
crg2005arsan 11 months ago
This is crap.
Sucklessguitarvids 11 months ago
@Sucklessguitarvids at least think of it as an exploration of the human voice, it's colours, expresivity, effects, if you can't see beyond this
VampireHeart518 10 months ago
How would you even compose something like this? And what on earth is going on?
stuffandstuff789 11 months ago
@stuffandstuff789 scribbling abunch of stuff on paper,idk..lol XD
subtenk0 11 months ago
Prestation vraiment très impressionnante ! J'adore !
Happycherry64 1 year ago
The gibberish language of this piece reminds me of the Sims.
psychicbyinternet 1 year ago 7
Why does the voice sync with the image only half the time?
psychicbyinternet 1 year ago
This piece is very difficult to perform, believe it or not...
KarrotKun1 1 year ago
@KarrotKun1 definitely believe it. It was the first thing I thought when I heard it, and the second thing I thought when I saw the graphical score- the first being that I doubt cathy and berio lacked any chemistry during their marriage :L
lawrencelaptop 1 year ago
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Montyleeny14 1 year ago
gotta study This piece for AS Music :)
chazzac5f6 1 year ago 3
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dimmii1001 1 year ago
can somebody tell me what the fuck this is?! LOL
DanZeshan 1 year ago
i must say i don't really enjoy this type of music, whether it is "real" or "not", but this singer is talented!
stephanieellen1 1 year ago
@stephanieellen1 b
dimmii1001 1 year ago
the video editing was such a poor decision. this should have been a single shot.
mccabesaidwhat 1 year ago
Puttanate, roba da manicomio. Ma siete pazzi o lo fate per finta a parlare di capolavoro? Mille volte meglio le canzoni dello zecchino d'oro.
Basta con queste stronzate, così il mondo va alla malora.
dimmii100 1 year ago
@dimmii100
Hai ragione; torniamo a Romagna mia.
gulosian 1 year ago
@gulosian
invece di essere spiritoso, preoccupati della tua salute mentale se ami questa "musica", è assurdo pure usare il termine in questo frangente!
dimmii1001 1 year ago
she needs to go to a doctor :)
pollypix123 1 year ago
n schaden?
8PeTrol8 1 year ago
Brilliant performance!
jasontbuchanan 1 year ago
yikes
jgh69 1 year ago
Parece un Sim con epilepsia.
No dudo de la capacidad vocal de la ejecutante, pero a Berio la mama le pateaba la cabeza y por eso escribia (¿Como se escribe todo eso?) lo que escribia.
crist87n 1 year ago
Please can somebody tell me what this is?
julia4328 1 year ago
@julia4328
This is the risk of indipendence.
gulosian 1 year ago
This is real art!
alxandros 2 years ago
this is seriously disturbing.
equizt 2 years ago 26
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babounx2 2 years ago
renseigne toi avant de dire des commentaires négatifs... les sequenzas ont été écrites pour ''tester'' le registre et les différentes possibilitées d'un instrument.
Umbralys 2 years ago
muy buena. Aunque considero que deberían hacer que el video concuerde con la obra.
KingdomOfTheMusic 2 years ago
I support you to follow this across the score, It is amazing both for the composer and singer.
fredogno 2 years ago
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In ogni caso, confermo che questa robaccia non significa assolutamente niente di niente.
laurion69 2 years ago
Si può dire tutto... basta essere consapevoli del livello delle proprie affermazioni ;-)
jongleur85 2 years ago
@laurion69
Per te.
gulosian 1 year ago
this is an impersonation of hellen keller learning to yodel.
also, is she reading invisible sheet music?
jacobtoedtman 2 years ago
holy shit! she really goes for it here and it comes off SO well...mystical
nowthenamelessdwell 2 years ago
Really, really great stuff here. The singer here is really great; it takes a lot to do all that with any sense of accuracy.
HerrWozzeck 2 years ago
Sono colpito dall'interpretazione! Chissá cos'é questo! Bravissima, e bravissimo Berio!
mynameisandycostello 2 years ago
@mynameisandycostello
Cos'è questo grido? Qualcuno che si sente male.
dimmii100 1 year ago
Hello ! c'est absolument magnifique, absolument bien fait et ça paraît absolument infaisable ^^
merci pour ce joli moment.
Syliam.
Syliam86 2 years ago
Più che come musica, io la vedo come un'espressione artistica nel senso generale. Sarò troppo classicista, ma tendo ad identificare con musica qualcosa che abbia melodia, armonia e ritmo insieme, non O uno O l'altro. Anche se, dopotutto, c'è chi chiama musica la "house".
Ma qui è solo una pura questione di terminologia, con questo, infatti, non ho nulla da togliere a quest'interpretazione tecnicamente eccezionale.
adriantonio 3 years ago
è FANTASTICO.
arredifestivi 3 years ago
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Sounds like someone flicking through radio channels.
peardrop222 3 years ago
Mérveilleux!!!!!
tadeutaffarello 3 years ago
Quindi non soltanto perchè magari Berio non è così "piacevole" o sensorialmente razionale non debba essere considerato musica.
caribeatvoice 3 years ago
Io credo che ognuno possa esprimere la propria opinione su questa musica (che poi si fonde anche un po' all'arte dell'interpretazione perchè provate a pensare di scrivere una risata sul pentagramma!). Ma nessuno può determinare se la musica in questione sia veramente musica o no. La musica, ormai, è entrata anche dentro un tran tran che va oltre il piacere delle orecchie.
caribeatvoice 3 years ago
@caribeatvoice
dimmii100 1 year ago
ok...
heather9020 3 years ago
this is not music... this is an art performce... still very difficult to perform this piece... and as an art fantastic... well as music. no just because is not music.. personal opinion anyway.
recorderfan 3 years ago
johanne saunier is a goddess!!
themontyshow 3 years ago
That is supposed to be music?
Underheifetz 3 years ago
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That is supposed to be CRAP !
KABAZURNA 3 years ago
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yes! CRAP!
runnys 3 years ago
its experimental music
SPfan1993 2 years ago
Berio è indubbiamente tra i più grandi compositori del mondo. Una capacità compositiva mostrata in più occasioni e che ha attraversato uno dei più bei periodi musicali della nostra storia, diventandone così testimone intelligente ed intellegibile.
Le sequenze restano una delle sue testimonianze più concrete, amirabili ed amate.
robertobry 3 years ago
@robertobry
vuoi dire tra i piu grandi schizofrenici forse
dimmii100 1 year ago
This is so awesome. Berio or whatever must be (or have been) a cool dude.
alotofcheese76 3 years ago 2
What a wonderful piece of music!! Thank you for sharing this!!!!
tijo240881 3 years ago
@ jo21696: You say:"a comment that demonstrate again the effect of this senseless music ...why spending so much of your time commenting on something that is supposely senseless to you, everything of your comments scream the opposite funny".
This is an example of abstruse highbrow-reasoning, that complicates the reality of things without necessity and gets on the contrary of what reality is.
laurion69 3 years ago
I'd agree with you to a certain extent.
I generally don't like modern classical music, but occasionally there is something I like. I like Berio's Sequenza's, and Sinfonia but that could be because of the other fantastic pieces in it.
However, I cannot stand pieces such as "Visage" which is unfortunately what modern music is becoming more and more like.
Eventually though, a new style will be created. I hope everyone can enjoy it.
vilxan 3 years ago
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The Berio's Sinfonia seems to you it sounds better cause it is a puzzle of fragments of great works mixed with horrible Berio's music.
This is the "pure" crap of Berio's genius.
Enjoy it!
laurion69 3 years ago
Piantala, stronzo. Ti rendi ridicolo anche di fronte agli stranieri.
proteo567 3 years ago
Caro Proteo 567, perché non ti fai un bel piatto di cazzi tuoi, anziché pensare a come sembro ridicolo di fronte agli stranieri?
Esiste una cosa che nel tuo minuscolo cervello di gallina forse non entra e si chiama libertà di opinione.
Per te questo obbrobrio è un capolavoro, per me è una porcheria.
E ho la libertà di dirlo, brutto ignorantone...
laurion69 3 years ago
Cane e mentecatto, la libertà di opinione permette a tutti di dire la propia, non di tediare metà web ripetendo la *stessa* cosa sottu *tutti* i video dedicati ad un musicista che non si apprezza.
Le opinioni le abbiamo tutti, merdina, ma non tutte le cazzate che ti attraversano la mente vanno ripetute fino allo sfinimento.
E adesso buon appetito con il tuo piatto di cazzi, ingordo.
proteo567 3 years ago
Ho espresso la mia opinione sui diversi pezzi che ci sono You Tube concepiti da questo pseudo-compositore (e non sono su di lui).
O dovevo chiedere il permesso a te, valoroso paladino rompiballe del pattume musicale firmato Berio?
laurion69 3 years ago
Te lo scrivo un'altra volta, minorato, forse è quella buona.
Tu non ti sei limitato a scrivere che Berio non ti piace (opinione dle tutto legittima): hai tediato per mesi, ovunque, costantemente.
Se questa musica non ti piace lascia *un* commento negativo e poi ignora questi video.
Ma forse sarebbe chiedere troppo ad un orango con una tastiera fra le grinfie...
proteo567 3 years ago
Mio stupidissimo idiota dal cervello di gallina, ho lasciato un commento negativo per ciascuna composizione e ho risposto a chi mi "quotava". E'un forum questo, non una lapide su cui lasci un'iscrizione, ritardato: si scambiano opinioni e si confutano quelle avversarie. Perché questa rabbia non ti è venuta quando molti hanno scritto e ripetuto commenti positivi su Berio, deficiente?
Ah, forse tu permetti solo quelli...
Compositori da strapazzo, proseliti rompicazzo. :-)
laurion69 3 years ago
figo, sei italiano allora. Me lo dovevo immaginare...
se non conosci una beata cippa di musica evita di dare opinioni assolute.
L'opinione è sempre rispettabile ma pare che tu non voglia capire l'evidenza, e cioè che per capire ogni tipo di musica ci voglia studio e dedizione.
E' inutile essere buonisti, chi non studia non può capire Berio, e per "chi studia" non parlo nè di musicisti nè di musicologi, ma i poveri cristi che cercano di capire le ragioni di un pezzo o di una tecnica
thallocub 3 years ago
Per tua informazione ho studiato più di quanto tu creda...
Ma vedo che vi siete fatti rincoglionire abbstanza con concettualismi da strapazzo che cercano di conferire un senso e una dignità musicale a queste orrende stupidaggini, che, vecchie decrepite (e senza alcun pubblico reale), qualcuno vorrebbe ancora spacciare per la vera musica del futuro.
laurion69 3 years ago
A te piace Allevi, laurion, confessa.
Tidicappahacca 2 years ago
Vai a leggerti i miei commenti su Allevi e vedrai che cosa ne penso di quella specie di compositore ritardato, che scrive siglette per telefilm sullo stile dei compositori per film americani degli anni 70 e 80, i quali, a loro modo, sono stati almeno originali senza la pretesa di aver scritto capolavori.
laurion69 2 years ago
E hai ragione.
Tidicappahacca 2 years ago
Ehilà laurion, ma perchè sotto ogni video di Berio trovo sempre un tuo commento? :)
Personalmente ho adorato la sequenza per voce dalla prima volta che l'ho sentita e ne ho parecchie versioni. Questa è una delle mie preferite (insieme a quella della Berberian).
sousukesagaraJKD 2 years ago
@laurion69
sono d'accordo con te, sta musica è merda
dimmii100 1 year ago
@proteo567
dimmii100 1 year ago
This is amazing; thanks so much for sharing. The singer here is wonderful, though I'm not quite sure what I think of the video yet.
People who think Berio's isn't real music ought to go listen to the Sinfonia.
masilybox 3 years ago 11
@masilybox Maybe the Sinfonia IS real music - but this isn't. So what's your point? If Schoenberg decided to take a shit on manuscript paper, I bet you'd love it.
jeffamarie 1 year ago
@jeffamarie You are one of those people, I see? Stop with the whole "This isn't real music" thing. Music is organized sound and silence. Some music is good to some people, some is bad. I enjoy this because it shows the pure amount of sounds that can be made from just a voice, and it is incredible from an acoustic standpoint. Please read up on the philosophy of John Cage and sound.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
ShevanelSaeglopur 1 year ago
@ShevanelSaeglopur No, music is whatever somebody is able to understand. Sound is sound. Music has culture and precedence behind it. This simply isn't a language that's agreed upon by any number of people... even serialism would count for more than this...
Just because you enjoy it, doesn't make it music. I enjoy listening to the sound of trees in a breeze, but it doesn't mean anything to me. I enjoy grilled cheese. It doesn't mean I go 'ah, THERE'S the cheese!' lol
jeffamarie 1 year ago
@ShevanelSaeglopur Music as we know it started with a purpose - drumbeats to time dancing steps, sounds of "wailing" to denote sadness during a ceremony, which make their way into classical music and even modern popular music, sounds of nature, birds, etc. to denote happiness... but the music that came from them develops almost immediately into a LANGUAGE. Why? So that others know their role within the music. So that listeners feel more than just ENJOYMENT of a piece of music.
jeffamarie 1 year ago
@ShevanelSaeglopur Finally, "I am one of those people"? You forget that we're all people - more alike than different - and that our communications mean something to each other. You understand me, and the greater miracle is putting all the vast variety of words together in the RIGHT PLACE, rather than just exposing them in some vain, self-absorbed way.
jeffamarie 1 year ago
@jeffamarie This is a pointless argument. You make it sound like Berio just threw stuff on a page without any purpose whatsoever. There is a definite structure here, and a definite amount of emotion. If you went back to the time of plainchant, people would've found the music of Mahler to be repulsive and would not have called it music. Berio focuses on the gestures of voice in this piece, and the gestures of voice do elicit an emotional reaction if you actually LISTEN. Open your ears.
ShevanelSaeglopur 1 year ago
@ShevanelSaeglopur I'm a composer, and I know that this music has been around for a while. I know people who compose with Berio as an influence... but when I ask them how they use Berio as an influence, it's usually in some way that has nothing at all to do with any established set of idioms.
Therefore, using plainchant and Mahler in your argument are probably not great analogies. Emotion? Sure, I can see that... organized language? Well, let me ask - how is this connected to music before it?
jeffamarie 1 year ago
@jeffamarie It is connected with the music prior to it in the same way that most modern compositions are. There are definite pitches to be perceived at places that aren't supposed to be representative of speech, there is definite rhythm, and concentration on texture. That's what all of the sequenzas essentially are. The great thing about music now is that it doesn't necessarily have to completely connect to previous music. It's a new musical language, yet still structured and purposeful.
ShevanelSaeglopur 1 year ago
@ShevanelSaeglopur That's fine that it HAS those things. I'm just going to tell you - I don't know if this is music to you, because I'd have to get inside your head to be able to discern that, and your word that it is doesn't mean you aren't confusing it with listening to any other source of sound... but this is definitely not music to me - I hear it, I'm processing it, but it has no cultural meaning for me. I hear absolutely no culture in this, or any musical influence. There's no reference.
jeffamarie 1 year ago
a comment that demonstrate again the effect of this senseless music ...why spending so much of your time commenting on something that is supposely senseless to you, everything of your comments scream the opposite funny
jo21696 3 years ago
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This poor "singer" during her rendition seems only a neurotic with crisis attack.
And the fools that go into raptures over this ridicolous abstruseness.
laurion69 3 years ago
seems that sensless music is creating a lot of emotions considering the amount of time that comment was posted the last days.
Interesting
jo21696 3 years ago
The pseudo-highbrows love think they have superlative and sophisticated tastes listening senseless crap like this.
laurion69 3 years ago
@jo21696 True! ... paradox!
andreabubus 1 year ago
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Berio, rest in peace, you and your abstruse, ugly, senseless music.
laurion69 3 years ago
Well, dear Laurion69, you simply don't get it.
That's all...
murksov 3 years ago
che genio!
arredifestivi 3 years ago 2
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Berio, rest in peace, you and your senseless music.
laurion69 3 years ago
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Che porcheria!
Musica contemporanea... ma vaffanculo, preferisco il Festival di Sanremo a queste idiozie da intellettualoidi da strapazzo.
Berio, riposa in pace, tu e la tua "musica" senza senso.
laurion69 3 years ago
i had to listen to this in my music class at school and it had me in tears cause i was laughing so much xDD im not really all that sure that it is proper music though... its just a bunch of noises put together with the occasional laghter... i think its great though xDD
NikoB14 3 years ago
love it. totally genius. the score awesome too
matrix1 3 years ago 2
i love this music every visit i gave 5 star great performans
osruk 3 years ago 2
I love it. dadaism rocks! its diffrent to the other commercial stuff Oo people should be more open-minded towards those kind of art directions! I think its even more difficult to interpret it than a normal pop song, because these dadaism-songs demand more emotions...
EternityMoments89 3 years ago 2
this is in the a level anthology for music, i've had a look at it though wqe don't have to study it, the notation is amazing. if you fancy looking for edexcel NAM, you can find it lol.
seriously amazing!
RaptureAndTheMuse 3 years ago
Somehow reminds me in "hurz"
QuiRan82 3 years ago
This is awesome!
I really want to see the notation for this--must be crazy.
samsathebug 3 years ago 2
Ive just done this type of music in GCSE music the notation is riddiculous. The music is supposed to have an element of chance so every singers version is different. The main theme of the song is sex as you can hear (orgasmic sounds)throughout. AMAZIN !!! :)
jono1504 3 years ago
She should do a collaboration with Mike Patton.
minihats 3 years ago
I've always loved this particular sequenza. The video's a little disorienting, but the performance is excellent. Thanks for posting!
tyrelroo 3 years ago
I've always loved this particular sequenza. The video's a little disorienting, but the performance is excellent. Thanks for posting!
tyrelroo 3 years ago
I was pretty familiar with Sequenza XI for guitar before seeing this. I have only listened to Sequenza XI twice in it's entirety. It's a very hard piece to understand, but after seeing this performance of No. III and a few of the other ones I now see a pattern of preferences that Berio employed in these pieces. This particular performance really wowed me, the girl is amazing, and her torso gestures specifically, present an honest, or an ego-less interpretation to the composer's music.
sologuitardeath 3 years ago
ahahahahahahah :D
osruk 3 years ago
very nice
levobrouwer 3 years ago
ahahahahahahah :D
osruk 3 years ago
Hmmm... The performance is a fantastic show of what the human voice can do. But I can't really understand what is trying to be expressed through it, other than "look at me I can do things with my voice". There seem to be far to many overly anal musicians here, but I can't help but feel people like it because they should...
Its a bit wanky, sorry
x
joshmk40 3 years ago
This performance shows outstanding virtuosity and a brilliant portrayal of the dualities of emotion.
Kshintaku 3 years ago
This is genius, but it's crazy. If I closed my eyes and listened to this before I went to sleep, I would either a) never fall asleep, b) go crazy c) both.
lastdreams 3 years ago
Ah, damn... It was a response to tommyk77, não leve para o lado pessoal, sinhazinha.
letifer669 3 years ago
why am i being ignorant? I don't like avant garde music. i have perfect reason for it. it's more statement than music. you can't honestly say berio wrote this because of it's sound! he wrote it to say "fuck you" to conventions. many other composers managed to do this and stay musical (berlioz, beethoven) but Berio is just a little too much on the politcal side for me to enjoy his music on a musical level
tommyk77 3 years ago
you arent supposed to listen to it in the same context as more "normal" composers. you are supposed to appreciate all the sounds that can be created with the human voice, and the pitch/rhythmic relations that can be created from these new sounds. berio's sequenzi are all brilliant pieces, i have a copy of the score to this one, if you are interested in seeing what it looks like. extremely fascinating! shoot me a message. monty
themontyshow 3 years ago
thanks. I do see why some would like it. i just don't appreciate it's musical value. I have the score too. pretty odd. strange how it is mostly one one line only until two others appear when a vague pitch is suggested.
tommyk77 3 years ago
there is more to music than pitch
themontyshow 3 years ago
I realise that. but there's also more to genius than just making weird noises. get over it, i have my opinion and you have yours. that's the way arguements about music will always be. there's no fact
tommyk77 3 years ago
there is one fact, and it is that you are an idiot
themontyshow 3 years ago
nice well educated comment. only an idiot would write that. please grow up
tommyk77 3 years ago 2
that was meant to be a reply to tommyk..
themontyshow 3 years ago
It is wrong to tell someone how to listen to a piece. Maybe you could show me where Berio wrote how this music is "supposed to" be listened to or how it is "supposed to" be appreciated.
NapkinQueen 3 years ago
the composer must be bonkers bcause this is f***kin rubbish
sinha96 3 years ago
Cathy Berberian era mezzosoprano, la pieza está escrita para una mezzo...
luisalvaz 3 years ago
Yes, this is awesome, and I love the avant-garde...BUT, please have a look at Klunk on Dastardly & Muttley, c. 1969
klunk007 4 years ago
you are absolutely amazing. i am blown away.
themontyshow 4 years ago
Great
albangoteyes 4 years ago
fantastic piece-
fantastic performance-
thank you
ManhattanMC 4 years ago
I've not heard this before, but I love it! Can someone tell me if it's specifically for a high female voice, or if it was intended to be done by either a man or a woman? Thanks for any input!
cinciscott 4 years ago
The instructions say that it's written for "woman's voice" so I think that any female voice type can do it if they want. Also late in the instructions he says "singer/actor".
AlianaDivette 4 years ago
IIRC, this has been called a "deconstruction of Cathy Berbarian's voice". So yes, for soprano.
masonbarge 4 years ago
this is definitely for women. Even since the one-sentence lyric of this piece is "give me a few words for a woman to sing a truth allowing us to build a house before night comes"
Eendeebo 4 years ago
Amazing control, and fantastic pitch. You were right in the middle of every single note. Breathtaking!
jbowers56 4 years ago
this is fantastic, well done
zappafile123 4 years ago
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I am so happy that I sing PUCCINI!!!!
Sounds like Star Wars Aliens.
QuiRan82 4 years ago
Wow. What a totally ignorant comment. You have just shown yourself to be totally useless musician. Nice work, have fun living in amatuersville, pleb.
jbowers56 4 years ago
I think I can live with that, because: If THAT is considered to be "music" I am happy that in your eyes I am useless ;) Have a nice day.
QuiRan82 4 years ago
I just don't understand how you can consider yourself a musician, an artist, if you are just going to totally reject modern and progressive art. I'm sorry I was so harsh, it's just I have already had so many experiences with singers being totally unable to accept and cherish modern creativity.
Can you at least appreciate the amazing control and technique in this performance?
jbowers56 4 years ago
Of course I do appreciate it! I wuld be unfriendly if I`d not. But I - just for me personally - am happy that I am allowed to sing the great arias from Puccini or Mozart. I did not attack the singer for she is great, no doubt. I attacked the "music". It is just a matter of taste.
QuiRan82 4 years ago 2
Alright, I'm sorry :)
I am just so used to singers being so aggressive towards this music, I feel like it's my duty to stand up for it haha.
jbowers56 4 years ago
Okay.
I am far away from beingh aggressive. It is just not "My cup of tea". ;)
But my hobby also is not everyones cup of tea. (Shooting movies etc.) Most of ppl. spend their time reading books or m,aking party, I am making Movies and Writing books. And for a job I sing.
QuiRan82 4 years ago
Frankly, you're both right, experimental vocal technique is never going to be fit for a mainstream audience in such a sparce manner as this. Although it is most certainly, without fear of contradiction, music. Although parts of it could quite happily be removed from this contact and used as sound effects for aliens.
Beatboxbob 4 years ago
Berio is not an experimental vocal technique anymore. This piece was compose in 1927... since then vocal technique has evolved A LOT. This is one fo the most incredible compositions for voice of the XX century, and its surely a masterwork. Have you ever heard japanese or hindhu music? Experimental since a few thousand years ago? What are you consider Experimental... mainstream audience?
carlosagh 4 years ago
I really do doubt berio wrote this piece when he was 2, seeing as how he was born in 1925. You should check your facts out, and this is coming from a musician who has performed Berio (i have a video). For my two cents, a Berio sequenza is best performed along with substantial repertoire from other areas of classical music in a recital. Or, if you've had the rare opportunity to see them all performed sequentially, that is best.
revoltingmexican 4 years ago
also, excellent performance, whoever this is. :-D
revoltingmexican 4 years ago
Sounds like what a piece would sound like if a 2 year old scribbled on manuscript paper. lol
tommyk77 3 years ago
Con que aquí también se te ocurrió postear. Tal vez deberías ver otra clase de videos, algo más a corde a tus gustos.
luisalvaz 3 years ago
Yeh maybe. I was only replying to a comment below as they said something about a two year old. Twas just a joke. This piece is a sorry excuse for music though, in my opinion
tommyk77 3 years ago
You know that in greek there's 2 words for ignorance : agnoia and amathia.
Agnoia is the lack of knowledge, amathia is the man's failure to recognize his own ignorance.
letifer669 3 years ago
You know that in greek there's 2 words for ignorance : agnoia and amathia.
Agnoia is the lack of knowledge, amathia is the man's failure to recognize his own ignorance.
letifer669 3 years ago
Merveilleusement fait. Absolument la meilleure interprétation que j'ai entendu. Bravo!
crowdmaker 4 years ago
WTF?!
Dutari 4 years ago
It's music.
Hope that clears things up for you :)
hexachordal 3 years ago 2
Unbelievably great!
piargno 4 years ago