facts,free scotland! Independence!

[LinnTractorNut]

Scotland has been treated as inferior by England whenever she has dominated her northern cousins, and just like Tibet, Scotland will be free. "That which was taken by force or oppression can never be held justly." Tibet has only one great tactical value, it is between China and Middle East oil that China craves, and Putin is going to undermine efforts to gain that unlimited oil supply at every turn, even if it means starting a nuclear war between Pakistan and India.

[TheConnorian]

@LinnTractorNut Difference is Tibet was conquered, Scotland and England united. Tibet and Scotland are incomparable in the modern age. Scotland needs equality in the UK not separation. To do so is to separate from one of the most unified unions in the world.

[TheRedAnthem]

I see many fallacies in your piece, china will fall.The USSR assorbed many countries by force and eventually fell.

Scotland deserves its independence, its long over due.

[alba4232]

Very bad attempt at brainwash.China rot in hell!Your murderous regime has nobody fooled. By the way you two daft boys go and learn proper English before you dpout such rubbish. FREE TIBET  Boycott all Chinese products!

[alba4232]

spout

[JeannieTomlin]

Tibet has been a part of China for thousands of years which is why the Chinese massacre Tibetan priests.

Now THAT convinces me that Scotland should stay in the Union.

One of the worst propaganda pieces I've ever seen.

[TheConnorian]

@JeannieTomlin Well said!

[Camouflage16]

Erin gu Brath up your's England!

[hoopybhoy74]

sup3rh1k, where was the queen mother from ??

INDEPENDENCE NOW!!!

[sup3rh1k]

Strupid Scots. Know shit all.

You'll never make it as an independant country. Neither will Wales. YOU NEED ENGLAND TO BE THERE SUPPORTING YOU.

Bow England... theres a great nation! They will be glad to be rid of you.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!

England + America vs the World = England and America coming out on top.

[macocaire1314]

Its amazing how Chinese propaganda looks and sounds so very similar to that of the Nazis. I wouldent be surprised if Herr Gobbles dident have a hand in this. Trying to draw parallels between Scotland and Tibet is pointless as their situation and history are so different. I would agree that China and England are alike, one is an ancient warmongering, murderous tyrant, the other one is China. Soar Alba.

[drstrangeman]

down with england!

[clueforyou]

agreed, GB = Great Bastards, DOWN WITH ENGLAND

SAOR ALBA 2010!

[METALLICAM4N]

agreed, GB = Great Bastards, DOWN WITH ENGLAND

SAOR ALBA 2010!

[VillaMan08]

To help stopping you look like an uneducated Retard...GB or Great Britain is the Ilsand that The Welsh, Scottish and English share,were all Britains even if your born in Cornwall or Dundee..its the name of the Ilands, it was named that a couple thousand years ago and use to mean "Greater Brittiania"Still like all sepratist your lack of Knowledge and facts isnt suprising.

[mapkaz]

FREE TIBET

[hoopybhoy74]

fuck gb

c`mon scotland.

independence 2010!!!

[tweezer76]

Long live Scotland. England is a foreign country to us. In our heart and souls we are not cunting British, we are Scottish.

[lyndaaaaaa]

long live Britian

[maxfm82]

Twat

[subseagrim]

this video is total pish.

[WickedWallace1]

As a Native Scot I must say that this video is PISH.

I've met Native Tibetians in Scotland and they don't appreciate China's occupation of Tibet.

Shame on China.

Just let Tibet be free FFS

[Chapels]

someone please post a documentary on how the PRC's communist regime disrespects human rights, animal rights, civil liberties, freedom of speech, freedom of production and religion!!! in "the West" those things are guaranteed in almost all the countries, that includes europe and the usa to some extent. im not american and im not certainly a propaganda agent for "the West" but you sir have been clearly a victim to the evil chinese tyrany that started in 1949! Taiwan is the real China!

Saor Alba

[Chapels]

lol almost looks like americans are holding indians as hostages. indian people nowadays regard themselves as an integrant part of the american population whereas the tibetans DO NOT see themselves as chinese.

A NATION = A STATE = A TERRITOY = INDEPENDENCE

[Chapels]

56 independent nations!!! fuck the totalitarian chinese regime! mao was a bloody tyrant!

[chicaorrsa]

Being a fellow Scotsman who lives in america, i have conflicting interests. I would do anything to free Scotland, and i plan on moving back soon. But if China is arguing that its right to hold tibet, then there all f*cking idiots. And for the rest of that sh*t, If china even thinks about conspiring against the U.S. we will f*ck em up in less time it took to take Berlin. China is all talk. OHHH...and the difference is that SCOTLAND is becoming free, look it up R-TARD. P.S. Your english sucks.

[KingOfVaginas]

FUCK TIBET just think about what the IRA did. its the solution

[Dalian321]

Twocchineseboys 123. once again I must correct your mistakes. No Western Country tried to invade China after world war two, in fact China was considered a very important Ally of the western countries involved in that conflict. It was internal change within China itself that changed this friendlier situation. Blaming everyone else for problems that were internal is the refuge of a fool.

[twochineseboys123]

"invade" not only means millitary actions but also like other things .maybe you think so , others may not.

why many people are fond of spliting others.

they had destroyed the most beautiful palace in china, the summer palace.

why us air force make chinese millitary plane down in 2001 in Hainan, china?

why they threw bombs on chinese embassy?

why they support tibeten independence?

maybe the CCP's policy isn,t nice but they stop your invasion and saved this state, that is different from ROC.

[Dalian321]

I give up trying to be have a reasonable thinking conversation with you. In addition. You are making a great job on here of making everybody else think your wrong and actually creating support for T Independence. You obviously can not think "out of the box" in which you are placed. If you care to read back to my first posting I actually understood you for a time. I can not any more since you do not have the ability to think on your own. Keep peddling the propaganda, your doing a great job. Ha

[twochineseboys123]

1,I hate communist, I hate corruption, I'm not a part member and I'd never want to. My greatgrand father died in the 1950s because of the CCP.

2,I am always thinking on my own, all I said and thought are based on my own principal, no one can change my mind and against my will.

3,the west and China have different opinion history, remember China is different from you all the time.Your customs may not be sutiable to other culture on earth.

[twochineseboys123]

I didn't like CCP doesnot mean I didnot like China , no country want to see their hometown to be seperated.

[Oblivionisathand101]

Also I'm a Native Scot.

Just so you know.

[Oblivionisathand101]

Living standard in Scotland is better than China :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

OWNED BRO!

[twochineseboys123]

no matter it is owned bro or something else , it does not matter , the more important is our lives are in progress everyminute.

[Oblivionisathand101]

Yeah and Scotland will be much better when Independent.

Think an Independent Tibet would be as well since China treats the people of Tibet like Dogs.

Plus I've met a few Tibetians (face to face) and they don't have anything nice to say about China and what they do to Tibet, so give Tibet a break.

Have a heart.

[twochineseboys123]

切 有什么了不起的 有本事久来撒 看你们有几厉害

不要总是再哪说你有多厉害

你不就是建了个西藏人吗 有什么了不起的 没有见识的人

没有资格评论别个~

老子 憑什麽總用英語跟你說？為什麽要抬舉你們這些無聊的人~~~~~­~~~~hehe

[Oblivionisathand101]

Er OK.

I'm a native Scot so I have more of a say than you do on Scotland.

Same as the Native Tibetians do on Tibet.

Let them have their say instead of the 'West' or Chinese.

[twochineseboys123]

I must correct your mistakes.

Tibetens are Chinese.

As the westerners consider,if every National in the world want to have their own country, then how many nations will have in the world.

US can be seperated into black US,white US,Indian US,Latin US......

That is against the basic principals of the international law and constitutions of UN.

[Oblivionisathand101]

Tibetians are Tibetians, least the ones I have spoken to view themselves as Tibetians, not Chinese.

Let the Tibetians have a say on how they should run their country, not the Chinese.

Being a Native Scot, I want my country free from Britain and I want Tibet to be free from China.

I also see on your profile that you don't even live in China lol

Scotland for Scots.

Tibet for Tibetians!

[twochineseboys123]

whatever you think, whatever you say, whatever you do, if you want to help tibetens, why don't you send your troop to China and help them to be independent?

Hehe, send your troops , come on!come on!

quickly!

Hahahahahhahhahahah!

[Oblivionisathand101]

I'm not even in the Army, and I'm well aware that Tibet are not matched for the military might of the P.L.A.

But why don't you want to help Tibetians?

[Chapels]

Every nation should, if willingly, have its own separate country, that applies to the USA and Europe and of course China. if that means that we will have 100000000 in the world then so be it! do not subjugate other peoples.

[CaesarAugustus1987]

China is a communist dictatorship who will be destroyed by its own sins.

[alphasmokey]

Hope Scotland chooses independence from the UK. As a welsh person in Wales i think it may be too late for us, we a rapidly becoming a minority in our own country 25% of those living in Wales are English. They don't care about Welsh culture and language. Look after yourself Scotland and don't let this happen to you. English people don't care about scotland. You can to much better.

[twochineseboys123]

I don't know westerns want to do,especially US.

CHINA has its own history and tradition which is different from yours,please don't put your politics, your ideas and culture on us.

If we consider they are suitable for us , will accept them.

your ancensters have killed so many people since Crusade, they killed many Chinese since Opium War because you wanted to put your ideas on others.

Remember for Indepence,to say is one thing, to do is another thing. I don't think England is so gentle.

[themolenga]

i'm european.i'd like to see tibet free,but before,i'm italian and catholic.FREE ULSTER!

gb not uk.but eire's been a part of the british crown for so long....

autodeterminatin of the peoples.all ireland has to vote about ulster,not just belfast and company,filled up with loyalist english living there,an irish going away with an union jack is the shame of eire!

[DiscoSucks95]

If Tibet has been a part of China for thousands of years, then why did Mao have to INVADE it? And he DID invade it

[twochineseboys123]

you say it was "invade",then it was invade?

then how about the west? you invaded most of the world in the past hundred years.You killed billions of people who are not white!!!!!!!!!!!

how rude and cruel you were!

dO you think you have the right to comment others?

[DiscoSucks95]

Our past is very gruesome and it is not something we like to talk about. Colombus was especially a most horrible person. However, I must correct you for saying we killed billions of people. May I also mention that Mao killed an estimated 8 million of his own people.Also about not knowing any history, while my knowledge on China is limited, you have brought in the US and that is my area of expertise. Also I don't like that you refer to Europe/US as "The West," and it's people as "Westerners."

[twochineseboys123]

Not only Mao, but also every emperor of China killed millions of people at his or her time.

We thank Mao because he saved the state from your invasion.

[twochineseboys123]

tibet was part of ancient china since the mongolians came to tibet as well as the central china that Han chinese lived.

In the next hundred years, tibet was belong to China.Ask Dalai if he had get Chinese government's permission to be religionous leader of tibet in the 1940s.

Please learn more about history before you make a comment!!!!!!!!!

[OllieGarkey]

Oh, and as far as that stuff about the CIA is concerned? They have their heads rammed too far up their asses to find Tibet on a map. Sure, we've set up puppet governments elsewhere, but those countries have oil.

Tibet just has monks who are being murdered by chinese imperialists. Remember YOUR invasion of vietnam? Worked out just as well for you as it did for us, didn't it? Tibet will be free one day, because Tibetans want to be free. And you can never win that kind of war.

[OllieGarkey]

Just because you invaded and took over a thousand years ago, doesn't mean the land is yours. What about the monks your government has murdered? What about the thousands of years of historical artifacts belonging to traditions that are not Han chinese that have been destroyed? Sure, no one's perfect, and the history of every country proves that.

But we, the west, aren't murdering natives. We aren't jailing journalists. We aren't committing cultural genocide. You are.

[DiscoSucks95]

Well said!

[twochineseboys123]

learn about history before make a comment.

[DiscoSucks95]

Fuck off

[twochineseboys123]

Why you are so rude?

Who give you the right?

God? Haha!~~~

[bighaggis1]

yes very nice the west always puts its wars on the world

we have no right to free speech housing or help but if you claim asylum you get it all yes now is the time to give alba her freedom and stop sending our kids to die in foreign wars so stop killing the people of tibet and let them live in peace like we all would

from the haggis alba

[Dalian321]

Oh one more point, you may know a lot about Tibet and China, obviously nothing about Scotland. Scotland is a Country in it's own right who agreed to a union with England. If we wish to leave this Union with England we can do that, simply by voting for it. Our situation in Scotland can not be compared to that of Tibet. Since I am prepared to accept your historical view of China then please be man enough to accept the historical facts surrounding Scotland and respond to posts appropriately.

[twochineseboys123]

What about Willam Wallace and its knite?

Just because you invaded Scotland , killed its people and finally defeated it that they had to union with England. Remember scotland was a part of uk after hundred years of its struggle! They had to do so, or what the King of ENG would do?

[Fitzretsil]

William Wallace was in the 14th Century, Scotland made the Union with England in 1707 by passing the Act of Union in the Scottish Parliament.

At the time the King was Scottish and the Scots had taken the English throne 100 years earlier.

There was no war, no fight, it was politics and a free choice.

[twochineseboys123]

Then do you think there was war and fight between tibet and Chinese central government?

Your media are fond of telling half truth.

In my opinion, it was a 400 years of struggle and confrontation between scotland and England.

Since many Scots as well as Texans want to have their own country, please make them free.

[Fitzretsil]

I never said there was a "war".

I can tell you your "opinion" of Scottish History is incorrect and you seem really uneducated on it for someone telling others to check their history.

And Many Scots and Texans do want their own country, I can tell you they plan to hold a referendum in 2010 to decide whether the majority of Scots do want independence or not.

[twochineseboys123]

maybe i am wrong, but what about your misunderstanding of Chinese history?

The world today need more understand and respect ,respect other National other country.

WE live in the same planet, the global village, what we need is a better ,harmonious and peaceful world.

Do not always want to find faults with other contries. others are tired of it.~~~~~~~~~~

[Fitzretsil]

what history do I get wrong then?

And people should be respected, first.

[Dalian321]

twochineseboys123, I am from Scotland and live and work in China. Calling foreigners ugly monkeys is a sure way to persuade them about your point. NOT !!!! Anyone who has been and lived in China knows all about this, give it time and the Westerners will see your point. Shouting insults does nothing for the cause which you historically make a good point. Stick to the facts and stop the insults you will win more foreigners over to the point you make.

[twochineseboys123]

I am quite angry at that time. I didn't refer to the westerners.

All people shall live in the world in harmony.

But I really don't know why the westerner always want to make so many troubles on China?

Invaded its land, killed its people, destroy its economy....?

We want to live in this planet in peace. However you don't let us to.

[KaxiLaxi]

fucking commie!! those reds should be hanged one by one!

[twochineseboys123]

hang you,shit ! I hate you ugly monkeys!

[Medeasbiggestfan]

Why is it when anyone punctuates a video with the word 'FACT' they're always talking a load of rubbish?

Scotland votes every two years in either UK parliamentary or Scottish parliamentary elections. The party that supports Scottish independence is in control of the Scottish government. Give the equivalent to Tibet and no one would be complaining.

[twochineseboys123]

remember China is not from the west world.

we have our own thought and tradition.

China was never a democratic state in its 5000 year's history.

Chinese want to have an strong country controlled by the GOV.(Confusia kongzi said)

Democracy never belong to China.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

China was the first country in the world to sign the UN Charter, which calls for the right of self-determination. Democracy is not a western idea, Japan, South Korea, the Republic of China are all democracies and all keep hold of their culture and remain strong because of it.

[twochineseboys123]

Since you concerned the right of self-determination, then why Kosovo want to be independent US support it while South Ossetia and Abkhazia want to, US did not support??? Everything is depending on your interst!

You want to destroy China so the west support tibeten independence!

[Medeasbiggestfan]

What does the US have to do with anything?

I'm in favour of independence for Kosovo, South Ossetia and Abkhazia because a majority in those countries what it - as do the the majority of Tibetans.

I don't want to destroy China, I think China with its rich culture would make a great superpower one day - as long as it's democratic and the Chinese people are free.

[twochineseboys123]

Have nothing to do with?

Why does NATO send its troops to the Black Sea to prevent their independence?

Why does US threw its bombs to Yugoslavia to help Kosovo's independence?

Why don't US threw bombs to Georgia?

Why did CIA Sneak into tibet in the 1950s? What do you want to do?

Do you really think most Tibetens want to be independent? Where did you get the information? Obviously from your fake media.

Are you all interested in spliting the other countries?

[twochineseboys123]

In fact you so called most tibetens is whom came from Dalai,  can they represent tibetens in tibet?

[Medeasbiggestfan]

You don't know most Tibetans want to remain part of the People's Republic of China, I don't know how many want independence. So put it to the vote and let them decide, that's what happens in Scotland.

[twochineseboys123]

Really?

Now the vote result is that they want to have their own country, are you will recognise it?

Will you establish diplomatic relations with Scotland?

Please answer my question that why US did not throw its bombs to Geogria! Please make South Ossetia and Abkhazia free.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

The US has its own reasons for having double standards when it comes to Georgia and Serbia. But this discussion is about you trying to equate Scotland and Tibet.

In the last election in Scotland (held on 3 May 2007) the SNP (the independence party) won about 33% of the vote.

If that vote ever went above 50% then Scotland would get independence and no doubt have very good relations with the UK.

[Chapels]

sick dumbass. thats the typical chinese communist thought: FORCE.

is there a problem? people want to be free? send in the army!

what? someone said bad stuff about mao?

send in the army!

thats what it all comes down to for you in the end isnt it, twochineseboys123?

Armies, Air Forces, Navies.... thats not the path to take.

[LinnTractorNut]

@twochineseboys123 Because Putin deployed battlefield tactical nukes into the fray and openly announced to his military, knowing US intelligence would pick it up, that if the USA technical advisors did not get out Russia would launch a nuclear war. That is game over, because it would escalate and be unpleasant for everyone in the Northern Hemisphere for quite some time.

[Fitzretsil]

when it comes down to it, history is irrelevant, it should be what the Tibetans really want that decides their future, if the majority want to have their own country then I think they should be helped to do that, but if the majority doesn't want it, Tibet should be left as is.

[twochineseboys123]

according to what you said, if Welsh want to be independent. Will you respect their wills and let it be an independent country?

[Fitzretsil]

yes, but I am not the one making those decisions

[twochineseboys123]

since you westerners want to seperate our state, habe you concerned our feelings? since Tibet can be seperated, then scotland, N.Ireland,Texas can be independent,too.

See what you ancensters had done in Africa, you gays killed billions of Africans. You had also invaded China,invaded Tibet rigion, 1904 British troops kill more than 30000 people in Tibet from India! shit dalai lama!

I am an enthnic CHIna, I love my motherhood!

[johnnywonton42]

im canadian(english) and absolutely agree, us(the west)are way to snoopy and should mind our own business.I think the west is making a great mistake getting into chinas business and will pay dearly.cant we all just get along

[RobertsonClan1]

Scotland? Independence? Is there something I'm missing here? You're going after the wrong audience with your propaganda. Good luck convincing the rest of the world.

[darthjordanish]

true all i see is china

[glasgow1234]

what has this got to do with Scottish Independence ?