have you never slept in the same room with your sister or brother?? and who said you treat her badly for the stub id gossiping of people... if you two and god know you didn't sin it doesn't matter what people say :SSS
Wow, if you guys knew anything about pastor Mark you'd know that he doesn't make Christianity attractive or appealing at all. I think he carries a lot of shock value because he's willing to address hot topics in a public manner. Personally I thank God for him, carrying himself and running his church in a way that isn't afraid of these kinds of issues.
@swordseller1 yea. but i dont deem him a preacher. if he calls himself a preacher, but only does this, he is not a preacher. but what he is doing is wrong, but kinda needed.
@swordseller1 I agree with you. And from his branches, it looks like he is not truly born again. It looks as if his motives are more towards making Christianity more acceptable. I was in shock when he said oral and anal sexual intercourse is permitted in marriage. But anyone that knows something of the nature of God is going to know this guy is a heretic. i repent, you are right on that.
this guy is a fuckin smart alec he thinks he knows everything yet how did he start believing in the christian god in the first place, did his parents tell him that he's real?
@Mirewood did you even read what i said? They did not actually have a word for sphere back then, and yes it does refer to pillars. Oh my, you've got me now. Ever seen a map? Did they have maps? Did they have globes? No. Would it have made sense to the public if he had started talking about how the Earth was round? Probably not. People like Paul were using the map as their basis of "Earth"-4 corners? 4 corners of a map.
@Mirewood it's spherical. You mean to the ends of the earth deal? four corners of the world? A: they did not have spherical representations of the Earth back then, and furthermore, It does say that the Earth is a sphere or, 'circle' (in Aramaic, circle can also mean sphere), as in "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22). In fact, the Bible is one of the first documents (more specificaly, Job) to suggest a spherical earth.
@MrUrosSrb Matthew 27:46,50 or Luke 23:46 or John 19:30? they all purport to be the final words of jesus (kind of an important guy in christianity) upon his death (kind of an important event in christianity). They contradict with each other. Read your bible book.
@acdelong Thats not a contradiction...Those are some of the last sayings of Jesus Christ on the cross...I dont see a contradiction here,,especially when it doesnt matter did he say Luke 23:46 or Matthew 27:46.....The gospels were recorded by different people,they all told their side,how they saw the event.The main thing of the gospels are the core truths of death,burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
@MrUrosSrb you're talking about what you claim to be "god's perfect word" and there are different versions?! That is plain stupidity. If your god is all knowing and all powerful, he/she should be capable of protecting the integrity of his/her revelation to man- on the converse if he/she is incapable of retrieving the actual story and protecting it, then he/she is not all powerful and all knowing... either way you're essentially presenting a weak, stupid god. you've got some explaining to do.
Respond to this video... I mean, have you ever even read the bible book?! or do you not understand what the word "contradiction" means? final words are final words- and lets not forget that these are written decades to centuries after the alleged crucifixion of your alleged jesus, but if divinely inspired, they should be divine- not rife with the mistakes of humans. You're a deluded denier kiddo!
@acdelong Oh my God....All of those were last words....Last words isnt one sentence...All gospel writers recorded what they tought would be the most important ,for instance Matthew wanted to say how Jesus was praying for people that were crucifying him and make that the most important motive...While in the other Gospel they recorded how his mercy was great to forgive a thief that was just minutes away from execution and let him into heaven. You spend more time on Christian videos then me.Funny..
@MrUrosSrb let me sum up your response for you: "special pleading, special pleading. assertion i have no proof of, special pleading. ignoring questions i can't answer, assertion i have no proof of" - I think this perfectly sums up your arguments for everything thus far. Have you read these verses? it gives a very specific account of what was said and then "give up the ghost" not "he said this, then some other crap I don't remember, then gave up the ghost". read your bible book!
@MrUrosSrb did you run away from yet another argument with me MrEunuchSrb? I think on some level you know your little bible book is the most offensive and least consistent document ever, you just have too much pride (sinner) to admit it- or you are, conversely, so self deluded that you may want to seek some objective, professional help. In either case, I can relate, and let me tell you- it is much easier and more pleasurable to believe in evidence based truths instead of fairy tales.
@100000killstreak so I take it you're referring to evolution as a fairy tale based on no evidence? if so, you're ignoring the literally millions, yes millions of pieces of evidence for the theory of evolution. There are controversies within the theory itself such as progression vs punctuated equilibrium but the theory as a whole is a falsifiable, elegant explanation of phenomena we observe in both action and in the fossil record. god, I hope you're a creationist- they are so funny!
@acdelong thank you for providing me with this entertainment you call an argument-please-tell me one thing the Bible has been wrong in in terms of science?
@100000killstreak off the top of my head? mustard seeds are not the smallest seed- rabbits don't chew cud- the moon isn't a light, it reflects light- geocentism- flat earth- jonah and the whale- noah's flood. I'm sure there are more, but as I said, these are off the top of my head- no research. And I'm not even counting the logical contradictions that occur front to back in the buy-bull. Now I'm not sure if you're aware of what an argument consists of, but I provided a fact, not an "argument".
@acdelong sorry i wasn't paying attention to the fact that i was responding to myself...and I don't think that even if I did, which I have, provided adequate facts to counter you, you would ever believe me. Anyone can just make up a reason for something to not be true. Also, where are your transition fossils. Answer me that. Until then, stop trolling videos and go do something productive.
@100000killstreak there's that christian cowardice when faced with having to provide explanations for their buy-bull's shortcomings! no, you've parroted some lack luster apologetics, you've not provided facts, just wishes. name some fossils! you've taken the burden of defense, so do it adequately! shut me up! use irrefutable evidence! don't change the subject, don't dodge questions. you're being intellectually lazy, and you started a conversation with me, not the other way around. eunuch.
@acdelong A great flood is also referenced in ancient cultures around the world. Also, evolution uses the same evidence that the Bible does in terms of having fossils on top of mountains.
@100000killstreak please, explain to me the human eyeball in terms of evolution, because your gods of science can't. "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree." Guess who said this? Your Zeus, Darwin.
@100000killstreak well that's a separate issue, so we'll get to that. but for now, don't shirk the responsibility of explaining the scientific inaccuracies of your buy-bull. provide explanations of the examples I listed- don't change the subject. there are evolutionary mechanisms that explain the eyeball, but we're not there yet in the discussion. so, why would an all knowing creator of the world get the facts about botany wrong? why would they say rabbits have the same digestion as cows?
@100000killstreak explain how a man lived in a whale- did he really have a little campfire in there like in the cartoons? why is there vast evidence against noah's alleged flood?- Now you're quoting darwin, but guess what... that's 150 years old! we've covered a lot of ground since then! we know how eyes evolve! rational people are capable of taking the good ideas from theories and building upon them, to accept wholesale ancient texts regardless of evidence takes religion. absurd, not impossible
@100000killstreak I think that you, and I, are both taking poetic language way to seriously. The Bible often uses symbols to illustrate a point. Going back to the whole earth is round thing, was it a common concept that the earth was round back then? No. So, logically, would it have made sense to people in that time, to whom it was specifically written, if the Bible all of a sudden started talking about a spherical Earth? No. That would be ahead of their time, and likely be considered blasphemy.
@100000killstreak As far as the bible being written for a specific culture at a certain time- sure! so why in the hell would you seek to apply it to our culture in our time? it's either an outdated text, an artifact of backward thinking in the past OR it's god's perfect and everlasting word- not both. If the biblical account of the world were from a god's eye view then it should be absolute truth not relativistic truth. Findings in science would corroborate the bible not contradict it.
@100000killstreak well you can't just look thru the Bible with the eyes of a creationist sometimes and an evolutionist other times-If God created the entire universe, then he is certainly capable of keeping someone alive inside of a "whale", which by the way, is not necessarily a whale-it is just called a "great fish" (Jonah 1:17). You forget that there is a vast amount of evidence that SUPPORTS the flood-cross-strata fossils, fish eating other fish being mysteriously fossilized.
@100000killstreak firstly, stop responding to yourself. second, yes, many cultures had flood myths... older than the biblical account and I doubt you would be willing to defend the details of the hundreds of differing myths, so that essentially reduces your preference for the biblical account to a cultural phenomenon- no more or less likely than any of the others. Ancient cultures by necessity lived near bodies of water- floods were endemic to culture back then, not special.
@100000killstreak So basically your explanation is: "it was magic"? Might I suggest using that in a court of law- I think you'll find your argument getting laughed and pointed at- which is what's happening right now. please send me the names or links to some flood proving fossils, I don't want what I know about this argument to become a straw man, so I would prefer specifics. We do however witness geologic formations which falsify the biblical account of the flood/creation
@acdelong No, it was God, not magic. If you are going to analyze the Bible, then at least consider the POSSIBILITY that there could be a God, or else, of course it won't make any sense
@100000killstreak I'm open to the possibility of a god. I am also willing to say that it is definitely not the god of christianity, due to so many biblical errors, logical fallacies, ambiguities, reprehensible moral laws, circular reasonings, and lies. If there is a god, it wouldn't be in spite of scientific findings, it would be in compliment with, and the bible certainly isn't. saying that something was a miracle is the same as saying it was god- you're appealing to the super-natural, magic.
@acdelong irrefutable fact? Here's an irrefutable fact: The Bible makes reference to a man named Uriah the Hittite. Previously, this was thought to be a flaw in the Bible. Scholars said, "Hah! There is no such race as the Hittites! The Bible is wrong!" A short while later, manuscripts were found from the pharaoh of Egypt to the Hittite king, which were used in locating a rather large civilization in Asia minor.
@acdelong Guess what else? Ever heard of the 'Long Day'?
"Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Aj'alon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed," (Joshua 10:12-13). Joshua desired God to extend the daylight to allow sufficient time for him to utterly defeat the five kings who came up against him. In his great work, "Joshua's Long Day", ProfessorTotten of Yale University clearly proved that there was one long day at that very period in the world's history.
@acdelong Recently there was a complete report on how a computer at one of America's space tracking stations malfunctioned, until one of the operators told the scientists that he had learnt at Sunday School about the "missing day." After they fed this information into the computer, it started to function correctly.So this incident also proves that it is not merely a Bible tale, but a historical fact.
@100000killstreak this is a myth, name the report, go ahead- it'd be public record so super easy to reference me to. but you won't, because you've been suckered- so don't go citing BS thinking that I'm gonna be a sucker with you.
@acdelong Until a little more than a century ago, no trace of the "Ur of The Chaldees" could be found, and once again the critics concluded that no such city ever existed. Therefore Abraham, who was supposed to have lived in that city, must have been a mythical character. Eventually, though Rawlinson unearthed the city of Ur, where he found a remarkable library, and so proved to the world that Abraham and his ancestors not only lived there, but also that they could both read and write.
@100000killstreak the finding of Ur has nothing to do with the errant claims in your little book, and given your penchant for casting dissent in you martyr light- I doubt the validity of the details as you present them. but even if, what you say about it is fact- it doesn't speak to the argument, so I'm not even looking it up.
@acdelong The Nephilim:a race of Giants completely ignored by evolutionists. Confirmed by the Bible-Goliath was one such of these giants. They had an irregularly elongated head, stood much taller than any other man, and had 6 fingers on each hand. Fossils have been found, and especially those of the skulls, which are much larger than human heads. They were the descendants of Cain, and lived in Nod.
@100000killstreak regarding the nephilim- you got suckered again. I got a bridge I'd like to sell you. PT Barnum would've loved you! The "fossils" are fakes, well known fakes. Point me to a peer reviewed survey of them, and we'll talk about 'em. You suffer from what's called "selection bias"; you want something to be true so you'll believe in any evidence presented no matter how shoddy and unproven it is. try again man. how bout those mustard seeds you've conveniently forgotten? very cowardly.
@100000killstreak and aren't you going to name some fossils that prove your flood story? did you do that yet? rabbits chewing cud? didn't address that one either. "moon as a light"? didn't touch that one. you're wicked bad at this honey. skydad suffers and dies for you and this is the best you can do for him? you're gonna get the hell stall right next to mine!
@acdelong I can't pretend to have answers to all of your questions but some of these things can be answered fairly simply. So much of it often comes down to wording and translation, the bit on the moon as a light in the sky, I have it on good authority that the original wording can either mean to be a light or to become lit up, ie the Bible does not claim that the moon emits light, it does not go into the details of where the light comes from because this is not important in the context.
@acdelong The mustard seed: On first viewing it does seem to say that the mustard seed is the smallest of all the seeds on the earth but if you check it out in Matthew it becomes obvious that Jesus is talking about seeds that a farmer would plant in his field and the mustard seed would be the smallest seed that a farmer in that area would plant at that time. It is also notable that Jesus is not talking to a botanists conference but to a lay audience and he speaks in a way they would understand.
@acdelong Regarding proof of Bible stories, no one is going to be able to give you totally infaliable proof that these things happened. So many other things that happened at that time do not have infaliable proof but are taken as truth. There are small pieces of information which encourage us Christians in what we already believe to be true, (such as chariot wheels in the red sea with video evidence) but we cannot prove these things to someone who doesn't want to believe.
@tracyjane221 send the link to the video, and prove that never has a chariot ever been present on a boat on the red sea. This is an unsubstantiated rumor surrounding a man that has "found" many other biblical artifacts, but are eventually revealed to be useful only for comedic purposes. As far as relativistic facts for the mustard seed, this is the revealed word of an all knowing creator for the whole world, it should match facts, not just those of the time, because that would prove it a fraud.
@acdelong I just love the "truly open" mindset! You criticise the evidence and then you ask to see it. Usually scientists look at the evidence before they make a judgement on it!
As I said, we cannot offer totally infalliable evidence for these things to people who do not want to believe. There are some videos on my favourites which may help, but there are many more videos around, we are also not just talking about 1 or 2 chariots here but many more.
@tracyjane221 oh, well I'm sorry that there are standards to evidence! you're taking part in what's called "confirmation bias", if a piece of evidence fits your world view then you'll accept it whole heartedly, with no critical mind set. I asked for the video because when I looked for it all I got were references to how much of a crack pot pariah the "discoverer" is and no video. I'll look through your favorites, but you should raise your standards if you'll take fallible evidence on faith.
@acdelong Confirmation bias, selection bias, these things are universal phenomenon. I believe in God and therefore tend to watch the videos that lend proof to His Word. You do not want to believe and so will watch all the videos that criticise anything to do with His Word.
Do you really know everything? Can you really be sure there is no God?
You cannot prove it and so say "there must be no God"
@tracyjane221 The difference is, the things which I positively assert are based on evidence and you can go and prove my assertions wrong. I don't assert "there is no god" because to prove a negative, in that instance, is not possible due to the constant redefining by the believers to evade the burden of proof brought about by their positive assertion. To say "believe it then you'll see it" is to require an a priori assumption, which is fallacious and dishonest.
@acdelong re mustard seeds: I'm not sure you have understood my answer, the parable does match facts, the mustard seed was the smallest seed that a farmer would have planted in his field and that is what Matthew's gospel says. Jesus was having a conversation with local farmers. There is no point using an illustration that does not make sense to the people listening – not very illuminating really! The mustard seed represents the gospel, the tree represents the refuge that we can find in God.
@tracyjane221 re your obsession with not being understood: I understood your answer, and I'll put it more clearly and robustly- The bible book only espouses knowledge that was widely believed in that area at that time, which points to it's human origin and away from divine inspiration. If it was ultimate, timeless truth, it should correlate with later discovery that was not yet known, not contradict, which it does. Now once again, stop assuming to be misunderstood when your arguments are silly.
@brajamtho757 U should read what is called gospel harmonising.They dont contradict at all,just on the first look,but when u look at the context they dont contradict at all.For example , in one gospel it is said that the women found the empty tomb first,in other they say Peter found it and dont mention women,that doesnt mean that women didnt find it,that means that not all gospel writers witnessed every single event.Thats why we have 4 gospels.
@MrUrosSrb Your so called "gospel harmonising" is in effect creating a 5th gospel. The gospels say what the gospels say & they do contradict each other for instance where was Jesus born?
@MrUrosSrb Think about this-there is a crime scene. An investigator is interviewing all the witnesses. All of them have the exact same details, the exact same story. Obviously, the witnesses collaborated beforehand, as there is this thing called human perspective. Everyone sees the world differently-Everyone notices different things. If all the witnesses have different accounts of the same thing that are different, but still convey the same thing, then that is much more believable
@MrUrosSrb than when everyone has the exact same story. So, in essence, what you are using to disprove the Bible, is in fact, invalid. And by the way, the Scripture of Luke was written several years after what actually happened. Luke was working for a rich physician (or doctor) and this doctor wished to have an accurate account of Jesus, so he sent Luke to investigate and come up with a book. Luke went down to Jerusalem and followed leads and interviewed people. So obviously its not going to be
@brajamtho757 If Bible is really a manmade book and a cover up,just to make money,they would insert only 1 gospel,not 4 so that people like you would think they see contradictions where they dont exist.
This guy is so squeaky clean that he has to be harboring some weird-assed kink or fetish. He's so interested in letting people known that sex is sin that it is just plain suspicious.
@rockyonemambo He is a Christian Pastor, he never says he's perfect but of course he is going to preach against sin.lol you dont have to have a sick fetish to know sexual immorality is wrong...
seems like he hasn't read the bible: "1 Now Samson went to Gaza and saw a harlot there, and went in to her. 2 When the Gazites were told, “Samson has come here!” they surrounded the place and lay in wait for him all night at the gate of the city. They were quiet all night, saying, "In the morning, when it is daylight, we will kill him.” " Samson was not condemned in the bible for staying at a prostitutes house over night, but he was considered a man of god.
@donthate08ter god gave samson strength as long as his hair was long. after samson got tricked by another woman his hair was cut and he lost his power. that has nothing to do with staying at a prostitutes house. and again, there is no punishment or condemnation mentioned in the bible when he went to the prostitutes house.
@donthate08ter he got punished for having short hair (=broken bond with god). not for staying at a prostitutes house at night. or where does it say that in your bible?
@medisue there are many cases in the old testament where "men of god" sin in some manner (David, Solomon, Moses). I'm fairly confident that God wasn't pleased with Samson's decision to sleep with a prostitute and he most definitely suffered for his actions. If you have any real interest in learning about the message of the Bible, I suggest you start with the gospels and not the Samson... We (who so accept) are saved by the grace that is embodied in Jesus Christ's death in our place. cont'd
(cont'd) I suspect that you have no interest in doing anything other than undermining the message of the video (as Jesus said "go and sin no more") and find a contradiction in the Bible. Let me put it to you another way. Someone isn't "a man of god" because they are sinless, there is only one man who lived his whole life sinless on this earth and it wasn't Samson. They were considered "men of god" because they had a heart to know Him, even if they had other areas of weakness. This is seen cont'd
(cont'd) over and over again in the Old Testament, and even in the New Testament (Peter denying Jesus). I don't expect any of this to convince you of anything but I at least hope to have provided a coherent answer that will provoke thought on your part. You are free to draw your own conclusions, although I sincerely hope not based upon fallacious logic.
dont let your 'good' look like evil....besides, what good could you be up to at that hour anyway? If a girl needs him around so much,insomuch to sleep over,then something is wrong,and she needs real help,from another female friend.been there,done that. its too risky.
I'm sure this is a hard pill for non-Christians to swallow. I understand that. But if you call yourself a Christian don't ask where to draw the line. If you are asking that question maybe you should be asking yourself who you serve. I know I used to ask where the line was, and realized that it is just my own selfish desires hoping to scrape by. Like an earlier sermon, who, or what do you serve?
What I'd like to know if he has done any of these things like oral sex before marriage or masturbate. Then who is he to condemn? You're a tool Mark. Get a life.
total crap!!! to all religious people out there, here's a question: if Jesus is the SAVIOUR, where are all those millions of people that died thousands of years ago, BEFORE jesus bothered to come to Earth?? Are they burning in Hell because they weren't Christians? is that fair since there was no Christ?? Is this what your kind loving God wants??
@marcohorowitz8 Go study the bible and you may just find out...you may be surprised to find out that probably many aren't...In the end, it's Gods decision, not ours...We christians maybe a bit dumb at times, but not God, He is not to blame...
@marcohorowitz8 Actually, the Jews before Christ's time are not burning in Hell. Before Christ the people were supposed to hope in the Messiah and believe in God. Romans 3:25 says "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement through the shedding of his blood - to be recieved by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forebearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished." God knew Christ was coming and overlooked their sins, so they are in Heaven.
@marcohorowitz8 God had "passed over" former sins, i.e. God had the grace to overlook those sins committed before Jesus came, so that when Jesus did die, it covered all sins committed at any time through human history. Read Romans 3:21-26. And "religion" is not what gets you to heaven, only God can do that.
Who cares what people think. The bible says not to judge. So if people think that the 2 slept together, who cares, only the 2 of them and God knows the real truth. And in the end, God is the ONLY one that Judges, not society. So I want to hear a reason why it's a sin to do this based on God's judgement, not society's.
@GeeShepherd i think apart from the issue of judging, that we know that only God can judge, but i reckon what mark is trying to say by giving the example of "how her neighbour will think? etc" is actually about the issue of stumbling others. read and study 1 Corinthians 10:23-33 about the believer's freedom. take the example of whether one should or shouldnt eat the food being offered in sacrifice. do everything for God's glory, and do not cause anyone to stumble.
@GeeShepherd do you think that one can glorify and honour God by sleeping over at the gf's house? prior to that, what is the motive or the heart desire? let me share with you one thing that Action itself is not sin, but is about the heart and the desire. we shouldnt be too carried away whether our action is a sin or not, is not the main focus, but ponder upon the thought and the intention. for example, the action of masturbation is not a sin, but what triggers - LUST is.
Valid point,, but me and my girlfriend don't even think about having sex because we think there is no other way than to wait til marriage. We never put it as a consideration. And we've been going out for a year. All I'm saying, in my own opinion, is that I don't think it is wrong to spend the night at my gf's house because we don't do anything. Besides, even if I was having sex, I wouldn't need to spend the night to do it. People can do it during the day as well. haha
@GeeShepherd The issue here is not if you guys are actually doing it. Since you guys have decided to have a relationship with not only you two, but God first and foremost, right?
@GeeShepherd I completely understand where you're coming from, and I thought the EXACT same when i last had a gf and spent nights with her without anything happening. I learned now that it somehow distracted our focus on God that should be first to have the best relationship. I can't explain exactly how, but I must say valksh's point is the truth and I wish I kept it purer cuz in the end, did it please God or just me??
@GeeShepherd wut sux is it's not always as simple as seeing if somthin is considered a sin. It's more about whether we are trying to please God or trying to please ourselves (which USUALLY, not always, results in a technical sin), cuz there's NO in between. looking back at my relationship, I realized by trying to find out what I could do without technically sinning, I was really just trying to please myself. Try to make your relationship as pure as possible n TRUST me, itll be the best one! : )
Who the fuck do people think this guy is. Text questions that I can give definite yes or no black and white simplistic answers to grey questions because I Mark Discroll am the ultimately voice of authority concerning all ethical and moral issues. I am the spokesperson for God. What the hell?? He is just one person with one opinion. What the fuck kind of church body is so centered around one person opinion that they send most of their time sitting around and asking him questons????
you truly do have a thickhead.. Don't jump to conclusions. Many churches do these types of Q & A's but he's got guts to answer some of the things he answers. Not this question specifically but i've heard some questions make it through the filter that are shocking and Pastor Mark has a tough time even begining to answer them. People have questions just like you have questions. He does his best to point out from a biblical standpoint to answer them.
@xunityx I understand people have questions and they should seek answers to those. And I am sure that Mark's heart is in the right place. However, I do not understand why people cannot think for themselves? Why can't they come to their own conclusions? Why is Mark's opinion represented as THE voice of authority. Aside from that he gives black and white answers to very grey questions. Demonstrating complete lack of empathy or understanding of other view points.
My friend is a Christian and he sleeps with his girlfriend in the same bed all the time. I'm sure they've had sex by now. If God supports them doing it, then I can do it too.
What he says is true.. to put hot and horny single folks in a house together is adding fuel to the fire.. even if they sleep in separate rooms lust will find a way!! to come and visit is one thing but to spend the night threading dangerous ground!
So, I profess faith. There have been times when my girlfriend had to stay at my house overnight because of bad snow storms and my parents are okay. But by God's Word it is not okay, though it could cause danger if she left my house? :O
my advice for the guy who asked is it ok to sleep over at my gf house if we do not do anything. my advice is not take the chance you should follow the words of the bible and castrate yourself Matthew 19:12 also he should pluck his eyes out so he won't be tempted to sin anymore Matthew 18:9
I can't believe people believe this bullshit in our day and age. This guy belongs right in 500 BC where the believe fire is a magic tool from the gods
Im not saying Mark is wrong but his reasoning seems funny to me. He always talks about what single men can do by saying would it be okay for me to do it as a married man. Would a married man able to hold hands with another woman? Even just a little kiss on the lips to say goodnight? Even just a nice dinner and movie? No, but these things aren't forbidden from us as single Christians. So I think Mark is right but his reasoning might be different form my own.
Wow, so its wrong for me to go visit my Gf in another state and stay at her parents house and sleep on the couch? If your talking about sleeping in the same bed then i agree but I think it requires discernment to know what is acceptable and what isn't acceptable.
My point is merely that you can't point to the fact that things are different now to argue that in biblical times they were less concerned about things. In reality, they were far more concerned and would not have considered having you sleep over at a friend's house without proper chaperoning by her family
biblical creationist -- honestly hebrew society was very different in that girl's were watched over carefully by family and women's purity was valued above all else.. the punishment for impurity was death.
Actually, I guess in Biblical times whole families would share a bed room. Since when is "sleeping in the same room" sinfull? Since our culture decided that every individual should have his/her own bed chamber?
I happen to sleep over some times at a fellow student of mine (in her room). She's not my girlfriend, we don't sleep in the same bed, we don't kiss, we don't even touch each other. It's a 100% platonic friendship.
I wish I saw this video 6 months ago when I started staying at my now ex-girlfriend's place. ugh. we had a bunch of the "no-sex sleepovers" but we got way too physical and the temptation ended up tearing us apart. had i seen this and gotten this perspective then, i think i would have been able to say no from the start.
sleeping at her house and not having sex only leads to sexual temptation christians we need to stear clear of temptation. and just like mark says it looks bad
sorry to say but that's just stupid i have a lot of girls that a very god friends of mine i haven't anything with them because they a my friends when we chill on a trampolin in the guarden or in my bed watchting tv it's the same so if it's a sin to sleep with them it's a sleep to lay down any where near them
I am amazed at how people take his words out of context or read into it what he is not saying. Although, not surprised since most people read the Bible this way.
Not one time does he say it is a sin. What he does say is that it makes people look poorly at the girl, and that is wrong. It's not honoring to her.
I disagree that sleeping at a girlfriend's house is a sin.
I certainly recognize it puts certain couples in a danger zone of committing a sexual sin. But if no sexual sin is committed then I do not see the problem.
Others my judge you and say things about you that are not true, but if you still have your honor you still have your honor and god knows that.
I do not recommend sleeping at your boyfriend or girlfriend's house. But I certainly do not think it wrong.
Im a strong christian, and i dont think theres anything wrong with it, not talking from personal experience, as i think i'm to young for all that bf/gf stuff, but i don't see why this guy has such a problem with it, it's just spending time together isn't it? :D
@Zacharybinx34 I know, i hate Christians like this that take things so seriously, I mean it's life isn't it, your supposed to enjoy it, your not supposed to feel unable to spend QTT with your bf/gf just cos some guy says is a sin, what a load of bullcrap! :) <3 xx
I'm not agreeing with you. Mark is right. Christians who do stuff like this are either very ignorant, or not Christians to begin with.
Life isn't about having fun. Christianity teaches life is about a lot of things, but first most having a correct relationship to God, and avoiding sin.
Sleeping overnight (as a Christian) at your GF house is a terrible testimonty, huge temptation, and just plain stupid.
@loopoo199512 I think you are missing the the point of Christianity.... It's not about getting warm fuzzies when you hear worship music, or getting your "ticket" into heaven. It's about seeking purity and living accordance to scripture. Denying yourself.
ok soim a christian but im not crazy caught up in it. i believe in christ but its not a sin to sleep over at a bf/gf's house. if both parents are cool with it its perfectly fine. if there stuped enough to have sex its there fault. but if there is trust and they both know nothings gunna happen i dont find t a big deal
People...... He's setting a high standand of purity. if you dont like it, then you're trying to push the line and trying to excuse your behavior. Mark's Right.
achatzb: I definitely see where you are coming from but I think he is referring here more to the literal "i want to hang out all night so ill just spend the night and leave in the morning" which would entail (like he stated) leavin early in the morn, prob no parents bc you live alone, hurting her reputation and not protecting her like a spiritual leader. in the context of visiting home from college i think its different and i dont think he was talking about that.
You need to care about the Gospel going forth to your neighbors. When you sleep over at your gf house then you give her a bad name, you a bad name and more than anything Christ a bad name.
I am sure you don't care what your neighbor says, frankly its a lot easier not to even care about your neighbor, so what does it matter what the neighbor thinks of me... my identity is in Christ right? I would challenge you to read the Bible. Luke 10:27, it is the greatest commandment love the Lord, love your Neighbor as yourself. i assume you believe you are a Christian, If you don't care about what your nosey neighbor thinks, you obviously dont care about them. Just check your heart bro...
As to "how does it give Christ a bad name". Think about the name Christian, you are basically calling your self a mini-Christ, trying to love as he loved doing as he did. I think if you read philippians 2 you will better understand God design for you as His son. Hope this was helpful and encouraging.
b) No I do not care what my neighbour thinks unless I care about my neighbour.
c) Giving that christians have murder millions of people throughout history, not least of all the crusades. I highly doubt that me staying at a girlfriends house is giving christ a bad name.
1) Well he was referring to followers of Christ so i don't get why you would even comment on this because he would not hold you to that standard.
2) If you are an atheist you are expected to only care about the people who benefit you.
3) Just because you call yourself a Christian does not mean you are one...(catholic church during the crusades). Even with the crusades giving Christ a bad name, it should make a Christian desire even more to be faithful with his name.
Right your first point is incredibly patronising so just shut up on that one. I am not the one with blood on my hands, religious people are. For groups of people who claim to be peaceful, you sure as hell kill a lot of people. God must be one of the leading causes of death.
Also, I have no problem with christ. The words of Christ are very valuable and promote peace and love.
It's just all of the other bullshit that annoys me.
These ridiculous tales that people use to spread hate. its insane
He is a Bible teaching pastor he really would not hold you to the standards of the Bible if you dont believe it nor should he. You are correct about God being the leading cause of death because he is the giver and taker of life. But you should not argue from this point of God because you do not believe in God. You are stereo typing all religions and that is not fair. If you believe the words of Christ are valuable then you must think he was crazy when he called himself God. lots of thinking
Jesus (if he existed, said great thing) but like all men (talked great shit at times).
And actually perhaps atheist is too strong a word to describe me, I guess I'm more agnostic than anything else.
Because I do not know where we come from, where we go or why we come and go in the first place. Obviously you are far better than me, because you seem to have created this one size fits all bullshit answer to lifes great questions. And people have died for it.
Of course people have died for it! Jesus died for it! He died for you man. I have not created a bullshit answer, i have believed the truth. The answer to our existence has been here from the beginning. You know there is a God and that he has created you. I challenge you to actually read the Bible and study it. So many people make arrogant assumptions (like myself) about what the Bible is and says. I honestly think you will be shocked to see Gods story from the beginning to the end,truth
I have read lots of parts of the bible, the problem is that it goes against reality and the laws of nature on many occasions.
And I am more than willing to accept that if there is a god he could raise people from the dead, allow a man to live in a whale and all that crap but I just don't see any proof that there is a god. Confusing. Simplification time, I can understand the concept of a higher power being able to do things we have never seen before, I just don't see any proof of a higher power.
Do you see proof in science of something being made out of nothing? For me that is my biggest struggle with science's theory of creation. Just as someone can say they see no proof of God i can see no proof of creation by anything other than God. I mean
This man is making christian's look bad.
TankTysonFan 1 week ago
have you never slept in the same room with your sister or brother?? and who said you treat her badly for the stub id gossiping of people... if you two and god know you didn't sin it doesn't matter what people say :SSS
lm9136187 1 week ago
Wow, if you guys knew anything about pastor Mark you'd know that he doesn't make Christianity attractive or appealing at all. I think he carries a lot of shock value because he's willing to address hot topics in a public manner. Personally I thank God for him, carrying himself and running his church in a way that isn't afraid of these kinds of issues.
TheWilfMott 1 month ago
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I'm sorry, I know a lot of people will be mad at me for saying this, but I disagree.
lexielooroxs 2 months ago
Please preach the CROSS because without it you are shallow.
swordseller1 2 months ago
@swordseller1 yea. but i dont deem him a preacher. if he calls himself a preacher, but only does this, he is not a preacher. but what he is doing is wrong, but kinda needed.
JeshuaLivingWord 1 month ago
@JeshuaLivingWord the axe is for the root not the branch according to the Bible.
swordseller1 1 month ago
@swordseller1 I agree with you. And from his branches, it looks like he is not truly born again. It looks as if his motives are more towards making Christianity more acceptable. I was in shock when he said oral and anal sexual intercourse is permitted in marriage. But anyone that knows something of the nature of God is going to know this guy is a heretic. i repent, you are right on that.
JeshuaLivingWord 1 month ago
this guy is a fuckin smart alec he thinks he knows everything yet how did he start believing in the christian god in the first place, did his parents tell him that he's real?
executioneer7676 2 months ago
@Mirewood did you even read what i said? They did not actually have a word for sphere back then, and yes it does refer to pillars. Oh my, you've got me now. Ever seen a map? Did they have maps? Did they have globes? No. Would it have made sense to the public if he had started talking about how the Earth was round? Probably not. People like Paul were using the map as their basis of "Earth"-4 corners? 4 corners of a map.
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@Mirewood it's spherical. You mean to the ends of the earth deal? four corners of the world? A: they did not have spherical representations of the Earth back then, and furthermore, It does say that the Earth is a sphere or, 'circle' (in Aramaic, circle can also mean sphere), as in "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22). In fact, the Bible is one of the first documents (more specificaly, Job) to suggest a spherical earth.
100000killstreak 2 months ago
what about an atheist boyfriend sleep over at a atheist girlfriend's house
executioneer7676 2 months ago
@executioneer7676 that's only okay if they do anal.
acdelong 2 months ago
@acdelong ok
executioneer7676 2 months ago
Sisterly sleep overs???
soMeRandoM670 2 months ago
twat
nickmpco 3 months ago
Remember kids, your bodies are dirty; and sex is evil.
figureoflight 3 months ago
@figureoflight
Remember kids, your bodies are sinful; and fornication is evil
soMeRandoM670 2 months ago
sex is sex. there is nothing wrong with it. i'm a girl single girl and if people want to judge me because of my choices, go ahead..
lilkikit 3 months ago
@lilkikit I understand where you are coming from when it comes to people judging you about sex.
13SuperKings 2 months ago
Sex is natural. The Bible is unnatural. Take your pick.
brajamtho757 3 months ago
@brajamtho757 How do you know Bible is unnatural.Trust me Bible is the written truth of God.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb
I suppose that's why it contradicts itself and modern science.
brajamtho757 3 months ago
@brajamtho757 Ok,give an example of the Bible contradicting itself.Im dying to hear it.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb Matthew 27:46,50 or Luke 23:46 or John 19:30? they all purport to be the final words of jesus (kind of an important guy in christianity) upon his death (kind of an important event in christianity). They contradict with each other. Read your bible book.
acdelong 3 months ago
@acdelong Thats not a contradiction...Those are some of the last sayings of Jesus Christ on the cross...I dont see a contradiction here,,especially when it doesnt matter did he say Luke 23:46 or Matthew 27:46.....The gospels were recorded by different people,they all told their side,how they saw the event.The main thing of the gospels are the core truths of death,burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb you're talking about what you claim to be "god's perfect word" and there are different versions?! That is plain stupidity. If your god is all knowing and all powerful, he/she should be capable of protecting the integrity of his/her revelation to man- on the converse if he/she is incapable of retrieving the actual story and protecting it, then he/she is not all powerful and all knowing... either way you're essentially presenting a weak, stupid god. you've got some explaining to do.
acdelong 3 months ago
Respond to this video... I mean, have you ever even read the bible book?! or do you not understand what the word "contradiction" means? final words are final words- and lets not forget that these are written decades to centuries after the alleged crucifixion of your alleged jesus, but if divinely inspired, they should be divine- not rife with the mistakes of humans. You're a deluded denier kiddo!
acdelong 3 months ago
@acdelong Oh my God....All of those were last words....Last words isnt one sentence...All gospel writers recorded what they tought would be the most important ,for instance Matthew wanted to say how Jesus was praying for people that were crucifying him and make that the most important motive...While in the other Gospel they recorded how his mercy was great to forgive a thief that was just minutes away from execution and let him into heaven. You spend more time on Christian videos then me.Funny..
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb let me sum up your response for you: "special pleading, special pleading. assertion i have no proof of, special pleading. ignoring questions i can't answer, assertion i have no proof of" - I think this perfectly sums up your arguments for everything thus far. Have you read these verses? it gives a very specific account of what was said and then "give up the ghost" not "he said this, then some other crap I don't remember, then gave up the ghost". read your bible book!
acdelong 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb did you run away from yet another argument with me MrEunuchSrb? I think on some level you know your little bible book is the most offensive and least consistent document ever, you just have too much pride (sinner) to admit it- or you are, conversely, so self deluded that you may want to seek some objective, professional help. In either case, I can relate, and let me tell you- it is much easier and more pleasurable to believe in evidence based truths instead of fairy tales.
acdelong 3 months ago
@acdelong such as evolution?
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@100000killstreak It's difficult to tell what you're referring to, clarify please.
acdelong 2 months ago
@acdelong your last statement in your last comment, sorry for not being specific
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@100000killstreak so I take it you're referring to evolution as a fairy tale based on no evidence? if so, you're ignoring the literally millions, yes millions of pieces of evidence for the theory of evolution. There are controversies within the theory itself such as progression vs punctuated equilibrium but the theory as a whole is a falsifiable, elegant explanation of phenomena we observe in both action and in the fossil record. god, I hope you're a creationist- they are so funny!
acdelong 2 months ago
@acdelong thank you for providing me with this entertainment you call an argument-please-tell me one thing the Bible has been wrong in in terms of science?
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@100000killstreak off the top of my head? mustard seeds are not the smallest seed- rabbits don't chew cud- the moon isn't a light, it reflects light- geocentism- flat earth- jonah and the whale- noah's flood. I'm sure there are more, but as I said, these are off the top of my head- no research. And I'm not even counting the logical contradictions that occur front to back in the buy-bull. Now I'm not sure if you're aware of what an argument consists of, but I provided a fact, not an "argument".
acdelong 2 months ago
@100000killstreak and-what's-with-the-hyphenation?
acdelong 2 months ago
@acdelong sorry i wasn't paying attention to the fact that i was responding to myself...and I don't think that even if I did, which I have, provided adequate facts to counter you, you would ever believe me. Anyone can just make up a reason for something to not be true. Also, where are your transition fossils. Answer me that. Until then, stop trolling videos and go do something productive.
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@100000killstreak there's that christian cowardice when faced with having to provide explanations for their buy-bull's shortcomings! no, you've parroted some lack luster apologetics, you've not provided facts, just wishes. name some fossils! you've taken the burden of defense, so do it adequately! shut me up! use irrefutable evidence! don't change the subject, don't dodge questions. you're being intellectually lazy, and you started a conversation with me, not the other way around. eunuch.
acdelong 2 months ago
@acdelong A great flood is also referenced in ancient cultures around the world. Also, evolution uses the same evidence that the Bible does in terms of having fossils on top of mountains.
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@acdelong ROFL
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@100000killstreak I guess your kill streak is over. so sad.
acdelong 2 months ago
@100000killstreak please, explain to me the human eyeball in terms of evolution, because your gods of science can't. "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree." Guess who said this? Your Zeus, Darwin.
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@100000killstreak well that's a separate issue, so we'll get to that. but for now, don't shirk the responsibility of explaining the scientific inaccuracies of your buy-bull. provide explanations of the examples I listed- don't change the subject. there are evolutionary mechanisms that explain the eyeball, but we're not there yet in the discussion. so, why would an all knowing creator of the world get the facts about botany wrong? why would they say rabbits have the same digestion as cows?
acdelong 2 months ago
@100000killstreak explain how a man lived in a whale- did he really have a little campfire in there like in the cartoons? why is there vast evidence against noah's alleged flood?- Now you're quoting darwin, but guess what... that's 150 years old! we've covered a lot of ground since then! we know how eyes evolve! rational people are capable of taking the good ideas from theories and building upon them, to accept wholesale ancient texts regardless of evidence takes religion. absurd, not impossible
acdelong 2 months ago
@100000killstreak and don't reply to yourself, it's as stupid as-hyphenating-random-things.
acdelong 2 months ago
@100000killstreak I think that you, and I, are both taking poetic language way to seriously. The Bible often uses symbols to illustrate a point. Going back to the whole earth is round thing, was it a common concept that the earth was round back then? No. So, logically, would it have made sense to people in that time, to whom it was specifically written, if the Bible all of a sudden started talking about a spherical Earth? No. That would be ahead of their time, and likely be considered blasphemy.
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@100000killstreak As far as the bible being written for a specific culture at a certain time- sure! so why in the hell would you seek to apply it to our culture in our time? it's either an outdated text, an artifact of backward thinking in the past OR it's god's perfect and everlasting word- not both. If the biblical account of the world were from a god's eye view then it should be absolute truth not relativistic truth. Findings in science would corroborate the bible not contradict it.
acdelong 2 months ago
@100000killstreak well you can't just look thru the Bible with the eyes of a creationist sometimes and an evolutionist other times-If God created the entire universe, then he is certainly capable of keeping someone alive inside of a "whale", which by the way, is not necessarily a whale-it is just called a "great fish" (Jonah 1:17). You forget that there is a vast amount of evidence that SUPPORTS the flood-cross-strata fossils, fish eating other fish being mysteriously fossilized.
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@100000killstreak firstly, stop responding to yourself. second, yes, many cultures had flood myths... older than the biblical account and I doubt you would be willing to defend the details of the hundreds of differing myths, so that essentially reduces your preference for the biblical account to a cultural phenomenon- no more or less likely than any of the others. Ancient cultures by necessity lived near bodies of water- floods were endemic to culture back then, not special.
acdelong 2 months ago
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acdelong 2 months ago
@100000killstreak So basically your explanation is: "it was magic"? Might I suggest using that in a court of law- I think you'll find your argument getting laughed and pointed at- which is what's happening right now. please send me the names or links to some flood proving fossils, I don't want what I know about this argument to become a straw man, so I would prefer specifics. We do however witness geologic formations which falsify the biblical account of the flood/creation
acdelong 2 months ago
@acdelong No, it was God, not magic. If you are going to analyze the Bible, then at least consider the POSSIBILITY that there could be a God, or else, of course it won't make any sense
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@100000killstreak I'm open to the possibility of a god. I am also willing to say that it is definitely not the god of christianity, due to so many biblical errors, logical fallacies, ambiguities, reprehensible moral laws, circular reasonings, and lies. If there is a god, it wouldn't be in spite of scientific findings, it would be in compliment with, and the bible certainly isn't. saying that something was a miracle is the same as saying it was god- you're appealing to the super-natural, magic.
acdelong 2 months ago
@acdelong irrefutable fact? Here's an irrefutable fact: The Bible makes reference to a man named Uriah the Hittite. Previously, this was thought to be a flaw in the Bible. Scholars said, "Hah! There is no such race as the Hittites! The Bible is wrong!" A short while later, manuscripts were found from the pharaoh of Egypt to the Hittite king, which were used in locating a rather large civilization in Asia minor.
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@acdelong Guess what else? Ever heard of the 'Long Day'?
"Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Aj'alon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed," (Joshua 10:12-13). Joshua desired God to extend the daylight to allow sufficient time for him to utterly defeat the five kings who came up against him. In his great work, "Joshua's Long Day", ProfessorTotten of Yale University clearly proved that there was one long day at that very period in the world's history.
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@acdelong Recently there was a complete report on how a computer at one of America's space tracking stations malfunctioned, until one of the operators told the scientists that he had learnt at Sunday School about the "missing day." After they fed this information into the computer, it started to function correctly.So this incident also proves that it is not merely a Bible tale, but a historical fact.
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@100000killstreak this is a myth, name the report, go ahead- it'd be public record so super easy to reference me to. but you won't, because you've been suckered- so don't go citing BS thinking that I'm gonna be a sucker with you.
acdelong 2 months ago
@acdelong Until a little more than a century ago, no trace of the "Ur of The Chaldees" could be found, and once again the critics concluded that no such city ever existed. Therefore Abraham, who was supposed to have lived in that city, must have been a mythical character. Eventually, though Rawlinson unearthed the city of Ur, where he found a remarkable library, and so proved to the world that Abraham and his ancestors not only lived there, but also that they could both read and write.
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@100000killstreak the finding of Ur has nothing to do with the errant claims in your little book, and given your penchant for casting dissent in you martyr light- I doubt the validity of the details as you present them. but even if, what you say about it is fact- it doesn't speak to the argument, so I'm not even looking it up.
acdelong 2 months ago
@acdelong The Nephilim:a race of Giants completely ignored by evolutionists. Confirmed by the Bible-Goliath was one such of these giants. They had an irregularly elongated head, stood much taller than any other man, and had 6 fingers on each hand. Fossils have been found, and especially those of the skulls, which are much larger than human heads. They were the descendants of Cain, and lived in Nod.
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@100000killstreak regarding the nephilim- you got suckered again. I got a bridge I'd like to sell you. PT Barnum would've loved you! The "fossils" are fakes, well known fakes. Point me to a peer reviewed survey of them, and we'll talk about 'em. You suffer from what's called "selection bias"; you want something to be true so you'll believe in any evidence presented no matter how shoddy and unproven it is. try again man. how bout those mustard seeds you've conveniently forgotten? very cowardly.
acdelong 2 months ago
@100000killstreak and aren't you going to name some fossils that prove your flood story? did you do that yet? rabbits chewing cud? didn't address that one either. "moon as a light"? didn't touch that one. you're wicked bad at this honey. skydad suffers and dies for you and this is the best you can do for him? you're gonna get the hell stall right next to mine!
acdelong 2 months ago
@acdelong I can't pretend to have answers to all of your questions but some of these things can be answered fairly simply. So much of it often comes down to wording and translation, the bit on the moon as a light in the sky, I have it on good authority that the original wording can either mean to be a light or to become lit up, ie the Bible does not claim that the moon emits light, it does not go into the details of where the light comes from because this is not important in the context.
tracyjane221 2 months ago
@acdelong The mustard seed: On first viewing it does seem to say that the mustard seed is the smallest of all the seeds on the earth but if you check it out in Matthew it becomes obvious that Jesus is talking about seeds that a farmer would plant in his field and the mustard seed would be the smallest seed that a farmer in that area would plant at that time. It is also notable that Jesus is not talking to a botanists conference but to a lay audience and he speaks in a way they would understand.
tracyjane221 2 months ago
@acdelong Regarding proof of Bible stories, no one is going to be able to give you totally infaliable proof that these things happened. So many other things that happened at that time do not have infaliable proof but are taken as truth. There are small pieces of information which encourage us Christians in what we already believe to be true, (such as chariot wheels in the red sea with video evidence) but we cannot prove these things to someone who doesn't want to believe.
tracyjane221 2 months ago
@tracyjane221 send the link to the video, and prove that never has a chariot ever been present on a boat on the red sea. This is an unsubstantiated rumor surrounding a man that has "found" many other biblical artifacts, but are eventually revealed to be useful only for comedic purposes. As far as relativistic facts for the mustard seed, this is the revealed word of an all knowing creator for the whole world, it should match facts, not just those of the time, because that would prove it a fraud.
acdelong 2 months ago
@acdelong I just love the "truly open" mindset! You criticise the evidence and then you ask to see it. Usually scientists look at the evidence before they make a judgement on it!
As I said, we cannot offer totally infalliable evidence for these things to people who do not want to believe. There are some videos on my favourites which may help, but there are many more videos around, we are also not just talking about 1 or 2 chariots here but many more.
tracyjane221 2 months ago
@tracyjane221 oh, well I'm sorry that there are standards to evidence! you're taking part in what's called "confirmation bias", if a piece of evidence fits your world view then you'll accept it whole heartedly, with no critical mind set. I asked for the video because when I looked for it all I got were references to how much of a crack pot pariah the "discoverer" is and no video. I'll look through your favorites, but you should raise your standards if you'll take fallible evidence on faith.
acdelong 2 months ago
@acdelong Confirmation bias, selection bias, these things are universal phenomenon. I believe in God and therefore tend to watch the videos that lend proof to His Word. You do not want to believe and so will watch all the videos that criticise anything to do with His Word.
Do you really know everything? Can you really be sure there is no God?
You cannot prove it and so say "there must be no God"
You say, "I need to see it to believe it";
I say believe it and you'll see it... or not.
tracyjane221 2 months ago
@tracyjane221 The difference is, the things which I positively assert are based on evidence and you can go and prove my assertions wrong. I don't assert "there is no god" because to prove a negative, in that instance, is not possible due to the constant redefining by the believers to evade the burden of proof brought about by their positive assertion. To say "believe it then you'll see it" is to require an a priori assumption, which is fallacious and dishonest.
acdelong 2 months ago
@acdelong re mustard seeds: I'm not sure you have understood my answer, the parable does match facts, the mustard seed was the smallest seed that a farmer would have planted in his field and that is what Matthew's gospel says. Jesus was having a conversation with local farmers. There is no point using an illustration that does not make sense to the people listening – not very illuminating really! The mustard seed represents the gospel, the tree represents the refuge that we can find in God.
tracyjane221 2 months ago
@tracyjane221 re your obsession with not being understood: I understood your answer, and I'll put it more clearly and robustly- The bible book only espouses knowledge that was widely believed in that area at that time, which points to it's human origin and away from divine inspiration. If it was ultimate, timeless truth, it should correlate with later discovery that was not yet known, not contradict, which it does. Now once again, stop assuming to be misunderstood when your arguments are silly.
acdelong 2 months ago
@MrUrosSrb
The gospels contradict each other on numerous occasions.
brajamtho757 3 months ago
@brajamtho757 U should read what is called gospel harmonising.They dont contradict at all,just on the first look,but when u look at the context they dont contradict at all.For example , in one gospel it is said that the women found the empty tomb first,in other they say Peter found it and dont mention women,that doesnt mean that women didnt find it,that means that not all gospel writers witnessed every single event.Thats why we have 4 gospels.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb Your so called "gospel harmonising" is in effect creating a 5th gospel. The gospels say what the gospels say & they do contradict each other for instance where was Jesus born?
Celticking36 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb Think about this-there is a crime scene. An investigator is interviewing all the witnesses. All of them have the exact same details, the exact same story. Obviously, the witnesses collaborated beforehand, as there is this thing called human perspective. Everyone sees the world differently-Everyone notices different things. If all the witnesses have different accounts of the same thing that are different, but still convey the same thing, then that is much more believable
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@MrUrosSrb than when everyone has the exact same story. So, in essence, what you are using to disprove the Bible, is in fact, invalid. And by the way, the Scripture of Luke was written several years after what actually happened. Luke was working for a rich physician (or doctor) and this doctor wished to have an accurate account of Jesus, so he sent Luke to investigate and come up with a book. Luke went down to Jerusalem and followed leads and interviewed people. So obviously its not going to be
100000killstreak 2 months ago
@brajamtho757 If Bible is really a manmade book and a cover up,just to make money,they would insert only 1 gospel,not 4 so that people like you would think they see contradictions where they dont exist.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb
so then the whole book is untrustworthy.
brajamtho757 3 months ago
Let's get BIZAY!
brajamtho757 3 months ago
If Jesus ever returned (assuming God etc was in fact real), he'd have his own sex tape out within five minutes and you would all watch it!
rockyonemambo 5 months ago
This guy is so squeaky clean that he has to be harboring some weird-assed kink or fetish. He's so interested in letting people known that sex is sin that it is just plain suspicious.
There is a saying:
"We teach best what we most need to learn"
rockyonemambo 5 months ago
@rockyonemambo He is a Christian Pastor, he never says he's perfect but of course he is going to preach against sin.lol you dont have to have a sick fetish to know sexual immorality is wrong...
ImByrdman27 5 months ago
seems like he hasn't read the bible: "1 Now Samson went to Gaza and saw a harlot there, and went in to her. 2 When the Gazites were told, “Samson has come here!” they surrounded the place and lay in wait for him all night at the gate of the city. They were quiet all night, saying, "In the morning, when it is daylight, we will kill him.” " Samson was not condemned in the bible for staying at a prostitutes house over night, but he was considered a man of god.
medisue 6 months ago
@medisue read some more... what ended up happening to Samson? I don't think he got off scot-free...
donthate08ter 6 months ago
@donthate08ter god gave samson strength as long as his hair was long. after samson got tricked by another woman his hair was cut and he lost his power. that has nothing to do with staying at a prostitutes house. and again, there is no punishment or condemnation mentioned in the bible when he went to the prostitutes house.
medisue 6 months ago
@medisue i suggest you read about him getting his eyes gouged out and being imprisoned, then come talk to me.
donthate08ter 6 months ago
@donthate08ter he got punished for having short hair (=broken bond with god). not for staying at a prostitutes house at night. or where does it say that in your bible?
medisue 6 months ago
@medisue there are many cases in the old testament where "men of god" sin in some manner (David, Solomon, Moses). I'm fairly confident that God wasn't pleased with Samson's decision to sleep with a prostitute and he most definitely suffered for his actions. If you have any real interest in learning about the message of the Bible, I suggest you start with the gospels and not the Samson... We (who so accept) are saved by the grace that is embodied in Jesus Christ's death in our place. cont'd
donthate08ter 6 months ago
(cont'd) I suspect that you have no interest in doing anything other than undermining the message of the video (as Jesus said "go and sin no more") and find a contradiction in the Bible. Let me put it to you another way. Someone isn't "a man of god" because they are sinless, there is only one man who lived his whole life sinless on this earth and it wasn't Samson. They were considered "men of god" because they had a heart to know Him, even if they had other areas of weakness. This is seen cont'd
donthate08ter 6 months ago
(cont'd) over and over again in the Old Testament, and even in the New Testament (Peter denying Jesus). I don't expect any of this to convince you of anything but I at least hope to have provided a coherent answer that will provoke thought on your part. You are free to draw your own conclusions, although I sincerely hope not based upon fallacious logic.
donthate08ter 6 months ago
dont let your 'good' look like evil....besides, what good could you be up to at that hour anyway? If a girl needs him around so much,insomuch to sleep over,then something is wrong,and she needs real help,from another female friend.been there,done that. its too risky.
Thank God for mercy.
princessliz15 6 months ago
this is sooo true about her reputation.
princessliz15 6 months ago
This is so stupid. I've slept over at my (now ex)boyfriend's house plenty of time without having sex. I really don't see what the big deal is.
IDreamOf98 6 months ago
So a woman's reputation is damaged if the neighbours spot a man leaving her house?
Men and Women can be friends. Men and Women can stay over at each others houses without anything happening.
Why does he have such a one-track mind? Maybe he's the one who needs to be purified.
PurpleShades1 7 months ago
I'm sure this is a hard pill for non-Christians to swallow. I understand that. But if you call yourself a Christian don't ask where to draw the line. If you are asking that question maybe you should be asking yourself who you serve. I know I used to ask where the line was, and realized that it is just my own selfish desires hoping to scrape by. Like an earlier sermon, who, or what do you serve?
noahskim 9 months ago
What I'd like to know if he has done any of these things like oral sex before marriage or masturbate. Then who is he to condemn? You're a tool Mark. Get a life.
openuptheireyes 11 months ago
boy, is this guy retarded.
HRRyan2 1 year ago
"how you treat people you're not married to (whether you're married or not) is the same"
olabashanda 1 year ago
Hypocracy at its finest.
Hellamo 1 year ago
My God, these hard-core Christians are so sexually frustrated!!
marcohorowitz8 1 year ago
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@marcohorowitz8 , read your bible because it explains what happened to those who died before Jesus came on earth.
LoverOfAllManKind 1 year ago
total crap!!! to all religious people out there, here's a question: if Jesus is the SAVIOUR, where are all those millions of people that died thousands of years ago, BEFORE jesus bothered to come to Earth?? Are they burning in Hell because they weren't Christians? is that fair since there was no Christ?? Is this what your kind loving God wants??
marcohorowitz8 1 year ago
@marcohorowitz8 Go study the bible and you may just find out...you may be surprised to find out that probably many aren't...In the end, it's Gods decision, not ours...We christians maybe a bit dumb at times, but not God, He is not to blame...
acpgiga 1 year ago
@marcohorowitz8 Actually, the Jews before Christ's time are not burning in Hell. Before Christ the people were supposed to hope in the Messiah and believe in God. Romans 3:25 says "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement through the shedding of his blood - to be recieved by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forebearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished." God knew Christ was coming and overlooked their sins, so they are in Heaven.
TeekerGirl 1 year ago
@marcohorowitz8 God had "passed over" former sins, i.e. God had the grace to overlook those sins committed before Jesus came, so that when Jesus did die, it covered all sins committed at any time through human history. Read Romans 3:21-26. And "religion" is not what gets you to heaven, only God can do that.
hanntayl89 1 year ago
Who cares what people think. The bible says not to judge. So if people think that the 2 slept together, who cares, only the 2 of them and God knows the real truth. And in the end, God is the ONLY one that Judges, not society. So I want to hear a reason why it's a sin to do this based on God's judgement, not society's.
GeeShepherd 1 year ago 2
@GeeShepherd i think apart from the issue of judging, that we know that only God can judge, but i reckon what mark is trying to say by giving the example of "how her neighbour will think? etc" is actually about the issue of stumbling others. read and study 1 Corinthians 10:23-33 about the believer's freedom. take the example of whether one should or shouldnt eat the food being offered in sacrifice. do everything for God's glory, and do not cause anyone to stumble.
valksh 1 year ago
@GeeShepherd do you think that one can glorify and honour God by sleeping over at the gf's house? prior to that, what is the motive or the heart desire? let me share with you one thing that Action itself is not sin, but is about the heart and the desire. we shouldnt be too carried away whether our action is a sin or not, is not the main focus, but ponder upon the thought and the intention. for example, the action of masturbation is not a sin, but what triggers - LUST is.
valksh 1 year ago
@valksh
Valid point,, but me and my girlfriend don't even think about having sex because we think there is no other way than to wait til marriage. We never put it as a consideration. And we've been going out for a year. All I'm saying, in my own opinion, is that I don't think it is wrong to spend the night at my gf's house because we don't do anything. Besides, even if I was having sex, I wouldn't need to spend the night to do it. People can do it during the day as well. haha
GeeShepherd 1 year ago
@GeeShepherd The issue here is not if you guys are actually doing it. Since you guys have decided to have a relationship with not only you two, but God first and foremost, right?
KBoe4 1 year ago
@GeeShepherd I completely understand where you're coming from, and I thought the EXACT same when i last had a gf and spent nights with her without anything happening. I learned now that it somehow distracted our focus on God that should be first to have the best relationship. I can't explain exactly how, but I must say valksh's point is the truth and I wish I kept it purer cuz in the end, did it please God or just me??
Bobbo825 1 year ago
@GeeShepherd wut sux is it's not always as simple as seeing if somthin is considered a sin. It's more about whether we are trying to please God or trying to please ourselves (which USUALLY, not always, results in a technical sin), cuz there's NO in between. looking back at my relationship, I realized by trying to find out what I could do without technically sinning, I was really just trying to please myself. Try to make your relationship as pure as possible n TRUST me, itll be the best one! : )
Bobbo825 1 year ago
Who the fuck do people think this guy is. Text questions that I can give definite yes or no black and white simplistic answers to grey questions because I Mark Discroll am the ultimately voice of authority concerning all ethical and moral issues. I am the spokesperson for God. What the hell?? He is just one person with one opinion. What the fuck kind of church body is so centered around one person opinion that they send most of their time sitting around and asking him questons????
thickhead11 1 year ago
@thickhead11
you truly do have a thickhead.. Don't jump to conclusions. Many churches do these types of Q & A's but he's got guts to answer some of the things he answers. Not this question specifically but i've heard some questions make it through the filter that are shocking and Pastor Mark has a tough time even begining to answer them. People have questions just like you have questions. He does his best to point out from a biblical standpoint to answer them.
xunityx 1 year ago
@xunityx I understand people have questions and they should seek answers to those. And I am sure that Mark's heart is in the right place. However, I do not understand why people cannot think for themselves? Why can't they come to their own conclusions? Why is Mark's opinion represented as THE voice of authority. Aside from that he gives black and white answers to very grey questions. Demonstrating complete lack of empathy or understanding of other view points.
thickhead11 1 year ago
My friend is a Christian and he sleeps with his girlfriend in the same bed all the time. I'm sure they've had sex by now. If God supports them doing it, then I can do it too.
teddybeartoe 1 year ago
What he says is true.. to put hot and horny single folks in a house together is adding fuel to the fire.. even if they sleep in separate rooms lust will find a way!! to come and visit is one thing but to spend the night threading dangerous ground!
rachelmm05 1 year ago
So, I profess faith. There have been times when my girlfriend had to stay at my house overnight because of bad snow storms and my parents are okay. But by God's Word it is not okay, though it could cause danger if she left my house? :O
xRONx89 1 year ago
my advice for the guy who asked is it ok to sleep over at my gf house if we do not do anything. my advice is not take the chance you should follow the words of the bible and castrate yourself Matthew 19:12 also he should pluck his eyes out so he won't be tempted to sin anymore Matthew 18:9
I can't believe people believe this bullshit in our day and age. This guy belongs right in 500 BC where the believe fire is a magic tool from the gods
cactus9889 1 year ago
Im not saying Mark is wrong but his reasoning seems funny to me. He always talks about what single men can do by saying would it be okay for me to do it as a married man. Would a married man able to hold hands with another woman? Even just a little kiss on the lips to say goodnight? Even just a nice dinner and movie? No, but these things aren't forbidden from us as single Christians. So I think Mark is right but his reasoning might be different form my own.
wohs145 1 year ago
Wow, so its wrong for me to go visit my Gf in another state and stay at her parents house and sleep on the couch? If your talking about sleeping in the same bed then i agree but I think it requires discernment to know what is acceptable and what isn't acceptable.
jroy1119 1 year ago
Beautifully said.
tearsofthelamb 1 year ago
My point is merely that you can't point to the fact that things are different now to argue that in biblical times they were less concerned about things. In reality, they were far more concerned and would not have considered having you sleep over at a friend's house without proper chaperoning by her family
knightpraetor 1 year ago
biblical creationist -- honestly hebrew society was very different in that girl's were watched over carefully by family and women's purity was valued above all else.. the punishment for impurity was death.
knightpraetor 1 year ago
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But the pastor is talking about a girfriend and a boyfriend, which is probably different from the situation I just talken about.
I wonder what he thinks about it though.
BiblicalCreationist 1 year ago
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I wonder what he thinks about it though.
BiblicalCreationist 1 year ago
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I wonder what he thinks about it though.
BiblicalCreationist 1 year ago
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I wonder what he thinks about it though.
BiblicalCreationist 1 year ago
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I wonder what he thinks about it though.
BiblicalCreationist 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
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I wonder what he thinks about it though.
BiblicalCreationist 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
But the pastor is talking about a girfriend and a boyfriend, which is probably different from the situation I just talken about.
I wonder what he thinks about it though.
BiblicalCreationist 1 year ago
But the pastor is talking about a girfriend and a boyfriend, which is probably different from the situation I just talken about.
I wonder what he thinks about it though.
BiblicalCreationist 1 year ago
Actually, I guess in Biblical times whole families would share a bed room. Since when is "sleeping in the same room" sinfull? Since our culture decided that every individual should have his/her own bed chamber?
I happen to sleep over some times at a fellow student of mine (in her room). She's not my girlfriend, we don't sleep in the same bed, we don't kiss, we don't even touch each other. It's a 100% platonic friendship.
BiblicalCreationist 1 year ago
I wish I saw this video 6 months ago when I started staying at my now ex-girlfriend's place. ugh. we had a bunch of the "no-sex sleepovers" but we got way too physical and the temptation ended up tearing us apart. had i seen this and gotten this perspective then, i think i would have been able to say no from the start.
blumn187 1 year ago
What some of these responses show is a lack of respect for women and their reputation. That was his main concern. What is wrong with that?
Constitutionalist83 1 year ago
sleeping at her house and not having sex only leads to sexual temptation christians we need to stear clear of temptation. and just like mark says it looks bad
jandhvideos 1 year ago 2
You can dress the pastor up in trendy, cool clothes, but you still end up with the same old thing...
leeroynaggins 1 year ago
sorry to say but that's just stupid i have a lot of girls that a very god friends of mine i haven't anything with them because they a my friends when we chill on a trampolin in the guarden or in my bed watchting tv it's the same so if it's a sin to sleep with them it's a sleep to lay down any where near them
MetalMaxyDK 1 year ago
I am amazed at how people take his words out of context or read into it what he is not saying. Although, not surprised since most people read the Bible this way.
Not one time does he say it is a sin. What he does say is that it makes people look poorly at the girl, and that is wrong. It's not honoring to her.
AcaiBunch 2 years ago 2
I disagree that sleeping at a girlfriend's house is a sin.
I certainly recognize it puts certain couples in a danger zone of committing a sexual sin. But if no sexual sin is committed then I do not see the problem.
Others my judge you and say things about you that are not true, but if you still have your honor you still have your honor and god knows that.
I do not recommend sleeping at your boyfriend or girlfriend's house. But I certainly do not think it wrong.
monkjr07 2 years ago
Ummmmmm i don't think it's a sin too sleep over at youur girlfriends houuse. . .
LOL
wow. . .
SelenaL10 2 years ago
depends ur mentally
Legit92nick 2 years ago
right?
strfergy 2 years ago
Im a strong christian, and i dont think theres anything wrong with it, not talking from personal experience, as i think i'm to young for all that bf/gf stuff, but i don't see why this guy has such a problem with it, it's just spending time together isn't it? :D
Hannah, 14.
loopoo199512 1 year ago
@loopoo199512
Did you hear his reasons?
You are being a terrible testimony to the world by doing so.
Zacharybinx34 1 year ago
@Zacharybinx34 I know, i hate Christians like this that take things so seriously, I mean it's life isn't it, your supposed to enjoy it, your not supposed to feel unable to spend QTT with your bf/gf just cos some guy says is a sin, what a load of bullcrap! :) <3 xx
loopoo199512 1 year ago
@loopoo199512
I'm not agreeing with you. Mark is right. Christians who do stuff like this are either very ignorant, or not Christians to begin with.
Life isn't about having fun. Christianity teaches life is about a lot of things, but first most having a correct relationship to God, and avoiding sin.
Sleeping overnight (as a Christian) at your GF house is a terrible testimonty, huge temptation, and just plain stupid.
Zacharybinx34 1 year ago
@loopoo199512 I think you are missing the the point of Christianity.... It's not about getting warm fuzzies when you hear worship music, or getting your "ticket" into heaven. It's about seeking purity and living accordance to scripture. Denying yourself.
bassman1731 1 year ago
ok soim a christian but im not crazy caught up in it. i believe in christ but its not a sin to sleep over at a bf/gf's house. if both parents are cool with it its perfectly fine. if there stuped enough to have sex its there fault. but if there is trust and they both know nothings gunna happen i dont find t a big deal
strfergy 2 years ago
Sleeping at your girfriends house isnt a sin.
Culture261 2 years ago
go go holy spirit! love seeing all the boys crumbling in there comments.
brentmanning 2 years ago
People...... He's setting a high standand of purity. if you dont like it, then you're trying to push the line and trying to excuse your behavior. Mark's Right.
hubbs86 2 years ago 45
achatzb: I definitely see where you are coming from but I think he is referring here more to the literal "i want to hang out all night so ill just spend the night and leave in the morning" which would entail (like he stated) leavin early in the morn, prob no parents bc you live alone, hurting her reputation and not protecting her like a spiritual leader. in the context of visiting home from college i think its different and i dont think he was talking about that.
misszellie 2 years ago
I do not get this at all.
I don't get thr problem, no sex then no harm done.
As for this "what will the neighbours think" that seems really spiritual to me, ay.
TheJohnDoran 2 years ago
You need to care about the Gospel going forth to your neighbors. When you sleep over at your gf house then you give her a bad name, you a bad name and more than anything Christ a bad name.
joshmc6 2 years ago
oh god, right.
Personally I am above the gossip of nosey neighbours, but how the hell does it give christ a bad name?
TheJohnDoran 2 years ago
I am sure you don't care what your neighbor says, frankly its a lot easier not to even care about your neighbor, so what does it matter what the neighbor thinks of me... my identity is in Christ right? I would challenge you to read the Bible. Luke 10:27, it is the greatest commandment love the Lord, love your Neighbor as yourself. i assume you believe you are a Christian, If you don't care about what your nosey neighbor thinks, you obviously dont care about them. Just check your heart bro...
joshmc6 2 years ago
As to "how does it give Christ a bad name". Think about the name Christian, you are basically calling your self a mini-Christ, trying to love as he loved doing as he did. I think if you read philippians 2 you will better understand God design for you as His son. Hope this was helpful and encouraging.
joshmc6 2 years ago
right.
a) I am an atheist.
b) No I do not care what my neighbour thinks unless I care about my neighbour.
c) Giving that christians have murder millions of people throughout history, not least of all the crusades. I highly doubt that me staying at a girlfriends house is giving christ a bad name.
TheJohnDoran 2 years ago
1) Well he was referring to followers of Christ so i don't get why you would even comment on this because he would not hold you to that standard.
2) If you are an atheist you are expected to only care about the people who benefit you.
3) Just because you call yourself a Christian does not mean you are one...(catholic church during the crusades). Even with the crusades giving Christ a bad name, it should make a Christian desire even more to be faithful with his name.
joshmc6 2 years ago
hmm.
Right your first point is incredibly patronising so just shut up on that one. I am not the one with blood on my hands, religious people are. For groups of people who claim to be peaceful, you sure as hell kill a lot of people. God must be one of the leading causes of death.
Also, I have no problem with christ. The words of Christ are very valuable and promote peace and love.
It's just all of the other bullshit that annoys me.
These ridiculous tales that people use to spread hate. its insane
TheJohnDoran 2 years ago
He is a Bible teaching pastor he really would not hold you to the standards of the Bible if you dont believe it nor should he. You are correct about God being the leading cause of death because he is the giver and taker of life. But you should not argue from this point of God because you do not believe in God. You are stereo typing all religions and that is not fair. If you believe the words of Christ are valuable then you must think he was crazy when he called himself God. lots of thinking
joshmc6 2 years ago
that is really not lots of thinking.
Jesus (if he existed, said great thing) but like all men (talked great shit at times).
And actually perhaps atheist is too strong a word to describe me, I guess I'm more agnostic than anything else.
Because I do not know where we come from, where we go or why we come and go in the first place. Obviously you are far better than me, because you seem to have created this one size fits all bullshit answer to lifes great questions. And people have died for it.
TheJohnDoran 2 years ago
Of course people have died for it! Jesus died for it! He died for you man. I have not created a bullshit answer, i have believed the truth. The answer to our existence has been here from the beginning. You know there is a God and that he has created you. I challenge you to actually read the Bible and study it. So many people make arrogant assumptions (like myself) about what the Bible is and says. I honestly think you will be shocked to see Gods story from the beginning to the end,truth
joshmc6 2 years ago
I have read lots of parts of the bible, the problem is that it goes against reality and the laws of nature on many occasions.
And I am more than willing to accept that if there is a god he could raise people from the dead, allow a man to live in a whale and all that crap but I just don't see any proof that there is a god. Confusing. Simplification time, I can understand the concept of a higher power being able to do things we have never seen before, I just don't see any proof of a higher power.
TheJohnDoran 2 years ago
Do you see proof in science of something being made out of nothing? For me that is my biggest struggle with science's theory of creation. Just as someone can say they see no proof of God i can see no proof of creation by anything other than God. I mean