Sun Style Tai Chi Chuan Applications

[stranjhay]

@TheChickenlover2 . I also don't want anymore injury, so I am trying Bau Gua Zhang. I enjoy it. See: Bagua: The Art of Change by Ted Mancuso AND: Creating Flexibility through Qigong

Dr. Bingkun Hu

[lvladikov]

tell me one thing.... who will ever attack you like this guy did at the beginning.... with both hands like he wants to hug him....

[jhimm]

@lvladikov Drunk people in bars/clubs/parties/street festivals frequently "attack" by simply rushing at you to grab your neck or shoulders. Or even better, think of a very heavy object rolling off a shelf towards you, you need to catch it, yield to its momentum, and then push it away. If you just try to push, the weight of it will break your wrists. See other comments here about how these demonstrations are never about "when an opponent does X, respond with Y". These simple demos show principles

[winglamkungfu]

Just so it's said, I think you all should know that Sifu Lam provides applications such as this to give a very clear representation of the principles being used, and how they're used mechanically. These are not "if this, do this" self-defense presentations. They never are.

[Outermainstream]

@TheChickenlover2

So when you were nine your teacher said you will never learn? You had a terrible teacher. You have to keep trying. Everyone has their Martial Art roadblocks. You just need to learn how to overcome them. Keep trying and you will get better at your own rate.

[cybervore]

I haven't seen this family of Tai-Chi...thanks!!! Nice video!

[q7spiz]

Adaptation is a must.

[RenegadeRows]

Stork is mainly right with this. You NEED a teacher if your doing taiji for anything except health.

However transmoon has a point, a teacher can only point you in the right direction, it's up to you to actually do most of the work and ask 'how'.

The best instructor is yourself, but you need guidance

[Thomo1305]

this just shows the energy coming from the floor and up your body - using it as one force - I don't think it is saying, this is what you do when someone puches you. Pushing hands is about being aware of your balance and positioning not trying to overthrow your opponent. Your opponent helps you. If TC becomes fast enough as a M Art it becomes something else in my view - Kung Fu ;o)

[YvesIsaki]

Which is the best style of taijiquan to learn amongst the yang, chen, and sun styles?

I'm trying to learn a good fitness ritual for life.

[ironwhim42]

The style is far less important than the quality of the teacher. All taijiquan is good stuff, but you have to be careful in choosing a teacher. Even if you're only looking for health, find a teacher who knows the martial side because the Qi will be more lively and the health benefits are much greater.

[YvesIsaki]

Thanks. One last thing: How much should a teacher cost? I've seen rates and they're like $500 a week, mostly. At that rate I'd be giving them 1 million dollars in no time!!!

[ironwhim42]

I haven't found a school that was above $100 a month. I can't imagine a teacher charging $500 a week. I know a number of good taijiquan teachers (and I'd bet some others here do, too), so if you don't mind posting a general location, perhaps we can help you find someone.

[YvesIsaki]

Wow! That's surprising since classes I've seen charge at least $100 PER WEEK; the rest are insanely priced; one is going through a lawsuit for their prices.

If someone knows a good dojo to learn in and tell me that'd be awesome. I live in Washington state near the cities: Everett, Mill Creek, Lynnwood, Shoreline, Kirkland, and Seattle.

[MrOphachew]

I agree on the prices they are ridiculous. The real Masters in the ole country weren't in it for the money.  Sorry I'm in the Flint, Mi area so i wouldn't know about your area.

[JadeTigerKungFu]

Hi. You might try Three Harmonies Martial Arts Center in Seattle. They teach Sun style Tai Chi as well as some other kung fu styles (Mantis, I believe). They are about $80 a month.

[YvesIsaki]

Possibly....

Thanks a lot!!!

[storkcoolswings]

contact Heaven Man Earth Taiji International , they have instructor in usa ,real transmission and may be ablle to help.

metta and good luck

[alekswanson]

@YvesIsaki

Check out wuji.com

[storkcoolswings]

taijiquan is not really a style but a set of principles that traditionaly were expressed a little differently by different families however the principles and energy are the same. As with all great arts it all comes down to the transmission, if you find a teacher with the true transmission, if you work hard you will recieve it,with practice you will achieve taijiquan-however without the real transmission you will just float around waving arms,maybe good for health a bit but not the true art.

[Ryooken]

Actually you are wrong. Tai Chi is broken down into a system with 5 family styles. Each style stressing different aspects of the Yin and Yang priciples. Although all of the practitioners are using the same principles each style is unique unto itself. For example Chen style stresses the hard and soft fundementals of Tai Chi chuan while Yang stresses softer applications taking on more of the Yin than Yang both principles work but the styles are different.

[storkcoolswings]

actually as far as yang stressing softer aplications, maybe you could say say that of yang chen fu's taiji but ban hao and shoa hao both expressed the hard as well as the soft,crispness and speed.

5 family styles, countless sub styles(li,fu,bei fung,cheng ming,tung etc)however they all share the basic principles even if they are expressed through different shapes and emphasize different aspects/qualities. when the principles of generating the 8 energies are mastered style is irrelevant.

[transmoongoddess]

@storkcoolswings while its true that a good teacher can help in the understanding of arts like taichi .I feel the only real teacher is one self.One must try to understand Why.....Why move like this and so on. Some of the best kung fu boxers had little teaching. But thought deeply about the art it self .Get real ,,"Transmission" "If you work heard",oh please save the guru stuff for the followers !

[storkcoolswings]

@transmoongoddesss:"the only real teacher is yourself","some of the best Kung fu boxers had little teaching".... please , name one great HISTORICAL tiaji boxer that did not recieve the real transmission from their teacher and then didnt work hard to master it. Sure you may get part of it without a teacher, but you will not be sure you didnt just make it up, and without a real master you will not get the higher teachings of the linage. do you think you will stumble across the internal workings?

[transmoongoddess]

look i think Taichi is really a simple art .here in the west we just think differently about fighting . It just takes time (a lot of time )to get the basic ideas into your body and mind,.I real dont think that there is some transmission. Truth is lots of people do taichi differently as you already have said ."Taichi is not some form of unknowable magic. I believe Sun study Wu taichi in just a few months .

[storkcoolswings]

"taiji a simple art"??? taijiquan is regarded as the most difficult and profound of all martial arts , not relying on muscular force but the generation of internal power. to master the 8 energies ,soong,issueing etc takes years of instruction, and whilst Sun Lutang may have studied for a shorter time under Wu Jianchuan he had spet many years studying under other internal arts masters (bagua and xingyi quan) as well as external kung fu b4 that, he was already an acomplished boxer when he started:

[storkcoolswings]

you dont believe there is a transmission......sorry but if you dont have true transmission you wont get the whole art. This transmission has been handed down from master to innerdoor disciple since the conception of the art, whilst you may perform the shape of a posture that you may learn in a few months ,without this transmission you will only be making shapes and waving your arms, maybe you could pull of a few martial apps but it will lack all the inner qualities of true taijiquan.

[storkcoolswings]

if you want to see real taijiquan, check out "Heaven Man Earth Taiji" .......all the best.

Metta

SCW

[mbutchin]

@transmoongoddess "A few months?" You DO realize that Sun was already a high-level master of baguazhang and xingyiquan when he began to study Hao style taijiquan...? Of course his progress would have been quick. But I think you mean "years," not "months."

[cccathena]

I have used push hands in real fighting encounters twice. When I do it, I lift the guy, push him back, and he lands on his back. If they stumble back, though their balance is broken, you haven't completely uprooted them.

Let me also note that in both cases I pushed my opponents down, it did not end the fight. They were not hurt, and it actually infuriated one of them. He looked foolish, but the fight was quickly broke up. Push hands is good, I've been floored myself by a good push.

[enginetai]

man it looks so boring!!!!!! unlike wing chun!

[mushupop]

the point is to be able to beat ppls asses effectively, not with style. wing chun is a very good style. it is my favorite out of all the hardstyles.

[monkfg]

you like wing chun?

[storkcoolswings]

check out Heaven Man Earth Taiji boxing.......not boring!

[Pwskwong]

I don't think wing lam is an EXCELLENT martial artist, when he prepares an application in demonstration he needs to do quick and defend himself in solid, say, retreat half step pull the opponent down to the ground or to the side, is better pushing him back. This application can not convince me to believe that it is Tai Chi. If it is, I only say that artist is not qualify.

[imbrd]

whats uprooted is not arms or body- it aint a push. you uproot the energy of oponent so cant atack thn u strike. the purpose of lockin oponent is not the lock by itself but to strike and control oponent

[jadewillow]

I do not agree with this application. What I see is a projection throw by grabbing the arm at the wrist and elblow and stepping past/threw the opponents center. Done with fajin it is a nasty throw

[Cacey0101]

Makes pure sense to me, nice technique.

[vietsage]

thats why tory will remain self titled.

[Toryonline]

The third shit is that, the student is obviously heavier than Sifu and in Physics a moving ball bump into the other still ball, what will happen?

Go ask a elementary school student.

With fighting concept like this, the Master in clip will be beat like a shit on street fight.

Tory / Chinese Internal Art Master (self-titled)

[wingchunfoyomomma]

yea, ok man ....wing lam is an excellent martial artist and he is simply demonstrating "some" possibilities pertaining to tai chi chuan in a martial aspect ...obsiously you wouldnt just stand and wave your arms in circles -you would implement it with other techniches

[Toryonline]

This Sifu is good at Taichi internal art I can see from the clip and I mean it,

however the application is BULLSHIT.

The first shit is to block the attacker's hand and grab it how about a boxer arm like Mike Tyson.

The second shit is, in real fight if your hands blocked usually the body keep forwards won't stop like doll as showed waiting for counter-attack. You will have next move after blocked.

Tory / Taichi Master (self-titled)

[Ryooken]

Not hardly. There is an old saying he who controls the elbows controls the body. As most people who know anything will tell you that when you pull an opponent down and lock their elbows you can force them back in any direction and make them go there.

[eaa230]

First of all, this is not an application that you use if a boxer is hitting you with a right hook. Regardless, this application is sound. The first block deflects all the energy of the punch around the body. The second movement locks the elbows and pushes them up. The body naturally follows toward the path of least pain. Have someone lock your arm and shove up on it. You will find that they don't throw you, you throw yourself. Just because you do not understand it, does not make it wrong.

[Toryonline]

A bad-designed weapon could cause warrior die in battlefield.

The worse thing about a bad martial art application is, it Make You Think you got sth to protect your own body and casue you not to choose Running away from situation.

In the end you die or get sever damaged because of it.

If you don't learn any, you may run and escape, which eventually save your life.

Think about your life while learning any martial application.

[noklarok]

@Toryonline :fair point

[yamiyomizuki]

@Toryonline whats your point yes if you don`t know how to use your martial arts well you may get hurt but you are just as liable if not more to be hurt if you know nothing and there are people i`m learning from one who can use their martial arts to a real fight with potential lethal affect so basically learn well

[zsoujiro]

@Toryonline

Yes, and if you learn martial arts, but still know how to avoid conflict or "just run", then you'll run better than the average, scared, people... Therefore, I choose to train and never stop doing it :)

[wannabeebee]

0.58 no one punches like that unless they have never fought.

The counter to that sloppy technique would be a punch.

Realy while I can see a uses for tai chi this is not the way the use it.

Tai chi master who has never fought should stick to teaching tai chi and not the applications,

[proulx85]

its funny how everyone becomes an expert after watching a vid on youtube & tries to convince everyone else that they know what they're talking about. lol losers!!

[MCulpa]

No freaking kidding. I'm a 1st dan TKD Black belt, and I have to wonder, looking at most of the martial art videos. With all these people who talk about application, if they're all really black belts or martial art masters, then by simple probabilities you could say the average street fight would look like something out of a Jackie Chan movie.

[arb0gast]

the guy in the video has not an intelligent body, he does not use the secret powers of taiji..

[TKDLION]

He wouldn't be able to push me like that. He would puch on my arms and nothing would happen. I believe that tai chi can be used but I don't think that this move would work on everybody.

[themall3]

Well It must be Experienced before saying so can't say it is Really as you said

[eaa230]

That is very funny, because you would be surprised at how littel force is needed to move a body. Have someone grab your finger and bend it backwards and see how fast you drop to the groud. This is the same principle.

[TKDLION]

I know what you are talking about with the finger but it's not really the same principle. If someone bends your finger, you move because it hurts not because the force from it can move you. The technique in this video is really a question of mass and how much force it takes to move it.

[daiaonu]

he means locking the opponent up as in like forcing the arms to become rigid as in this video thus muliplying the force if he did not get the arms to become stiff the force would be absorbed and lost

[survivor9413]

I wonder how long you have to practice tai chi to affectively apply the techniques of the art in combat situations.

[TKDLION]

I think that you would need to study for a long time but that is true in any ma. You also have to have it explained how to apply practicaly and practice against other people also.

[jelqer]

I think that a good teacher should be able to teach their students how to defend themselves immediately. Mastery is what takes a long time.

[drocsoulja843]

you have to learn for a very very very long time...it takes years to actually be affected cause when you use something in a fight it has to be second nature

[VladtheEmailer]

Noone really knows the origin of Tai Ji Quan, there are only legends. It is neither Daoist, nor Buddhist. Just because Daoists may use it, or Buddhists, doesn't mean that they invented it.

[bcfsl]

The trouble with MA's that "prove" themselves in the ring is just that, the ring. You take out all the effective stuff in TCMA (the eye-gouging, throat-smashing, finger-removing, goitering, neck-breaking stuff) and all you have are some nice flowing movements.

Wish I could see these MMA twits tangling with a Colonel in the PLA sometime. Very eye-opening (closing?) to be sure... MMA is just sports. Not killing.

[theoldboxer]

some good fighting apps on heaven man earth taiji boxing, check it out

[JianChuanTaiChi]

For certain, Tai Chi has to be an effective martial art. It is traced to the Qing Dynasty Royal Military Guard, the Republican Military and Whampoa Military Institute of China. Its just that learning the complex artis time consuming. What you see in commercial vids mostly dont amount to real Tai Chi.

[Bastion83]

Very true indeed. I've studied mixed martial arts, some wing chun, northern shoalin and now Yang Tai Chi, the reason I've tasted them all in my martial life? All have shown me a different kind of martial power. Tai Chi Chuan done properly in any of the family forms or from Mt. Wudang are all amazing and god can they hurt you! lol *bows*

[justinkennethmail]

once again, the same arguments. show me objective proof. other ma's have proven their worth. Muay thai, bjj, wrestling, boxing, judo. Tai chi has never done so. Show me one practictioner who has bested another fighter of equal skill from a true discipline. You can't because this is fiction.

[BattleWiz88]

Yea... but nevertheless, Tai Chi these days really is only for your health... As for self-defense? (Much like this very video.) I've got no clue. Has it ever been tried? I'll check it out.....

[Myderion]

Tai Chi is for health. Tai Chi Chuan is for combat. My Sifu teachs Tai Chi Chuan. It's brutal. It's one of five styles of Kung Fu. From Nothern Shaolin, Bua Gua, Hsing Xi, and Tai Chi Chuan. This stuff when done properly HURTS!

[Doucetman]

BULLSHIT !!! How can Taiji be taught as a BOUDDHIST martial art there is nothing more TAOIST than taiji...Do you know that the very word taiji can be symbolizd by the yin-yang symbol ? Wu Dang montain as NOTHING to do with shaolin temple, you just don't know what you're talking about... Taiji and taiji quan ? What the hell is the difference you are trying to make ?It's exactly the same thing...Do you even know what "quan" means ? "boxing" or "fist", "style".

[Myderion]

Are you directning that at me? Cause it seems your talking to your self... noone said it was Buddist... or anyhting of the above you said...

[Doucetman]

And Shaolin temple is ? A mosquee ? A golf club ?

[Myderion]

The Shao Lin Temple is as it's identified in the name...

[KnivesBX]

Doucetman, you're an idiot.

[Myderion]

It's a sad truth.

[watts18269]

Doucheman? nice name.

[MBVids]

Doucetman : i think u need to practice tai chi chuan or maybe yoga, Or better yet, take a vallium!

[Bastion83]

right and the fact that the master who trained the Ching Emperor's personal bodyguards(a master of Ba Qua btw) had only one rival in Yan Chin Fu, one of the great Tai Chi masters of history means nothing. God do your history. I mean no disrect to those styles you listed but there is a difference between simple lack of knowledge and insulting a style because you havent been taught how it works.

[justinkennethmail]

what a joke, this would not work against a resisting opponent. you would end up hurt or worse. stop the propegation of bs martial arts.

[CoilViper]

clearly you've never had this performed on you. please take the time and effort to learn a style before you point out any weaknesses. no martial art is BS, just the practitioners, please show more respect in future.

[Raukoguth]

Some people say that taekwondo is not worth about non-sport fighting, they never tried to avoid a taekwondo kick delivered to the head in a real fight.

Others say the same about tai chi, but they have never been pushed in a Tai Chi way

[Myderion]

TKD... You can't use TKD and Tai Chi in the same video... BE GONE! lol Tai Chi Chuan takes YEARS AND YEARS to even begin to learn the concepts of fighting... TKD (i know from experiance) good luck cause idk how far you'll get...

[Raukoguth]

I'm not talking about TKD and TCC battle. I practice Chen and Yang TCC. I say that people think this is not for combat as some people think about TKD. I say that they are wrong cause they never fight against a TCC or TKD fighter. Is not about style vs style.

[Myderion]

I agree. No I brought TKD up cause someone mentioned it.

[cloud0123]

all kicking would do while off balance is give a wide open opportunity for someone to royally pwn u. And these are basic fundamental techniques/concepts, it isn't fighting...

[ChrisTeamProdigy]

Yes. You don't understand tai chi and its abilities Rafiu :). The guy in the video seems like a caring person because hes simply pushing the enemy back, while still being effective, its not taking the enemy down. Now say he wasn't a very kind guy, he could easily insure the possibility of the enemy never having kids again, or he could even do a Grasping Sparrows Tail (I believe thats the one)after pushing the enemy back, and ripping out his adam's apple.

[Myderion]

Ripping the Adam's Apple with Grasping the Sparrow's Tail (which I think is either similar or the same move as Wild Horse Grasps Mane) PS Love the poetic names they give em...pain to remember tho.. ;) the application is a smile throw...

[Rafiu]

and when u are pushing he can kick you wherever he wants -_-

[temu09]

you can't kick while uprooted. Even flying kicks have a root.

[cfG21]

to add to what temyu said his left left was pressing on the attackers supporting leg.