Seat Ibiza Cupra TDI vs Honda Civic TypeR @ CRAIL

[paulmattox]

ill sit up a civic type-r's ass all day long. i do take my hat off to them tho there quick for what they are vtec is a mint idea.

[stratosv83]

Ibiza ride in the countryside

[wick3d85swe]

vtec just kicked in yo!

[DjExit]

TDI fuck Vtec in ass!

[golf1diesel]

@DjExit 2 bad that VTEC has 2x the fuel consumption.

[TaKis20vt1]

an se peranei to honda ai peta to

[fayaoasis]

seat fail

[masterboy1011]

LOL its Like a Tercel u Racing With

[TheWeaponThayFear666]

ha ha eveything was going ok until u changed gear TDI SHIT BOX

[gaz0044]

Usual pish. One video watched, 1,000,000 pish replies. The Civic is for people who like to rev to get the power, the Cupra tdi is for people who want to just put their foot down and get 55mpg on motorways. Both are capable cars, one has power one has punch. The Civic would struggle with in-gear times against this Cupra, which is more real world. Who cares about a quarter mile with two hatchbacks anyway? Neither is fast in the straight line world. Get a bike for that.

[jbeamson]

The type R has to be quicker the seat packing 160 and the R 200 its a no brainer unless you have the seat re mapped

[twotellys12]

THERES NO POINT IN EVERYONE ARGUING ABOUT WHO WAS FASTER....it was the type R simple as that ( its standard to ) ......plus the honda had a deflated front tyre to go with it hahaha

[djseant1]

How come the type r smoke u yet you beat a clio? Strange considering the clio and civic type r are so evenly matched. The clio u raced must be a shit driver? Very Fast TDI car! Vtec any day over noisy diesel shit!

[MrBullred86]

vTec fuck tdi

[gaz0044]

@MrBullred86 At revving. End.

[1ns4ne1d10t]

Civic Type R vs LEON TDI

For those of you who are confident that type R's beat every single TDi

[subruimprza]

nice music lol

[MrGazum]

my electric car kicks ass !!!!

[bigjamezvtr]

haha that got off on vtec

[maccamk2turbo]

honda does it again, why even bother racing a SEAT DIESEL against a type r, the sheer volume of stupidity is shown here (diesels are ment to stay on the farmyard)

[99Lezard99]

i cant say how right you are!

[TSpark1986]

I agree mate, why even bother racing my SEAT DIESELS against a Type R, the Type R's are too slow, yawn.. 0-100mph in nearly 16 seconds in a Type R? Wow thats UBER slow.

[maccamk2turbo]

why dont yout just stop being a cheapskate and buy a propa volkswagen GTi instead of the cheap "seat" equivalent lmfao, JOKER!!!!!!!!!

[1c3yease]

@maccamk2turbo Erm, WRONG. My 160 06 Seat Cupra, Remapped, Bigger fuel injector runs 0 60 in 5.8 seconds.

[1ns4ne1d10t]

Weed46: You are the typical sort of narrow minded clown who would pull up next to me at a set of lights in your 1.6 166 VTi alongside my TDi armed with your theories & maths assuming Diesels are always the same. Well thats fine because I won't argue with you, your pathetic V-tec engine won't save you against a vicious 200Bhp remap on a TDi. Think of the word "Assume" = Making an "Ass" out of "u" & "me" is what it says...

[Siauka]

Siento decirte machote que si llamas patetico a un motor VTEC, que es el mejor motor atmosferico del mundo, con la mejor distribucion variable de valvulas del mundo (por encima de Valvetronic, CVCC, VarioCam, DualRam, etc) y con el mejor rendimiento por litro del mundo (por encima de Ferrari incluso), es que tienes poca o nula idea de coches y hablas por hablar.

Un motor TDI tendrá turbo, pero no es capaz de modificar el vaciado y llenado de los cilindros, campeón...

[1ns4ne1d10t]

Senior, can you translate that into English? I cannot quite understand.

[elvisvwvw]

man you must be stupid!!! hahahahah

[elvisvwvw]

haahahah he said 400hp hahaahahahah!! i cant read his mind!! haahahahah

[elvisvwvw]

WOW YOU MUST BE VERY INTELIGENT!! If you hadnt noticed on this video is a honda and a seat!! not a ferrari or a corvette!! simple remaped cupra would waste honda!! 1.8 t with 400hp maped!!( hahahahahaah you dont know shit what are you talking about) Mr. for a man with 35 years old you dont know shit about cars ) and i am a car mechanic you dumb fuck so i know probably more then you will ever learn on net or playing need for speed!!

[weed46]

You can even be god, I dont care, so are diggind yourself, so you are a mechanic and you know about engines as good as that... poor clients....

[mada88]

Hondas look like mpvs total whack. A mid range race would be fun against civic shit.

[keabo91]

@0.24 the vtec kick´s :D

[bobv6]

nice video of the scenery there lol, get it mapped mate :)

[Mattyuk1]

That type R wasnt standard. I've test drove the type r and found is quite boring untill vtect kicks in and even then it aint all that.

I thought when i test drove the cupra TDI it would be like a tank but nope, it pulled me in my seat and suprised me. Both the petrol and diesel are quick cars.

Used to be a fan and wanted to own a civic type R till i drove it.

Still both good cars, cant complain. I dont own either btw, just my input.

[cheryltweedyismint]

Ive owned a Civic type R and Ive now got the Seat and the seat doesnt compare to the Civic in fun factor, The Honda just wants to be revved like mad and handles so much better. Take nothing away from the Seat though, Its great on fuel and the torque is amazing but Id rather have my Civic back.

[sosu88]

Thats the thing why some people complaint about Honda. You don't feel that drag at low end revs untill 5600 till VTEC kicks in. This way they sacrificed low end for high end torque... but still love these cars :)

[weed46]

the cupra has the power when you dont need it, in the low rpms, petrol cars have the power when you want it below 5000rpm... by some reason F1 cars only change gear in 19000rpm not boring 4000rpm...

[antj29]

f1 cars are limited to 18000rpm, get it right

[weed46]

They are limited when 2008 season has started because of runing costs, because before, they reved higher, the older V10s reached 22,000+rpm

[TSpark1986]

or boring 7,000rpm? I love this reply, your basing diesels being slow and not having power when you want it, on a F1 car... LO FUCKING L. Tell ya what, you hit 19,000rpm in ya type r yo yo, I will stick to 5k and still be infront...

[weed46]

Doesent matter what you say. Diesels are slower than petrol cars, its a fact.

You put a 2 liter NA engines, petrol and diesel, the petrol is way faster.

If you have 2 liter turbocharged, one petrol and one diesel, the petrol still is way faster.

If you have 2 liter engines, the pertol is lighter than the diesel.

If you have 2 liter engines, the diesel has bette fuel economy.

So Diesel is more economical, petrol is faster.

[elvisvwvw]

that cupra is a stock production car!! if remaped it can waste that honda!! 200hp 400Nm of torqe!!! hahahahaha!!!!

[weed46]

How cool is that when you can have a remaped 1.8T with 400hp.... "hahahahah!!!!"

[elvisvwvw]

yeah right in what cartoon!!!

[weed46]

learn..... all you know about cars is plug it to a computer. Why do you think the top spec model of each car, like the GTI from gold, the RS4 from A4, the M3 from the 3 series... why do you think those cars are made with petrol engines? for being slower? why didn't they make them diesel? I know, because a diesel engine is heavier and less powerfull... Torque? a Ferrari F430 Scuderia has way less torque than a Z06, but is way faster.

[TSpark1986]

He actually said 400Nm, not bhp you fool. The top 'spec' is petrol because its called marketing. If people wanted a diesel to be top spec, it would be. But the uneducted (you) keep buying petrol for no other reason than you think its faster. Fastest thing down a 1/4 strip is infact running on stuff closer to diesel than it is petrol. Also the top spec for a gold, I mean golf hasnt been a GTi since the MK1 & 2. Weed by name, weed by nature perhaps?

[weed46]

Marketing? make me laught.... cars like the GTR were their marketing is to be faster than every other car, so his engine has to be fast, not look cool, and they chosen petrol, everybody does, because is lighter and can achieve more HP.

24h le mans is the proof, diesels are up to 5.5 liter twin turbo, petrol are 3.4 liter NA, are 2.0 liter maximum for turbo engines, that is marketing, that is unfair. a 5.5 liter twin turbo will do 2000+hp, and smoke everithing....

[TSpark1986]

so with your own backward stance on technically improvement we should all be driving what? How many litres a car has, or how many turbo's now-a-days as about as relevant as how many times you have inbred with your cousin. I say its based on Marketing for the simple fact of people like you (that will never own a FQ400, GTR or anything remotely worth being classed as 'fast' assume petrol is fast, and diesel is slow....

[TSpark1986]

But my diesel is a 1.9 and its faster than my mates 2.0 petrol? both have turbo's? Opps you fail.

[weed46]

Is your turbodiesel faster than a mitsubishi FQ400 with 400hp? it is a 2.0 liter. Can you make your diesel doing 800hp like 2 liter petrol engines do? no....

[TSpark1986]

No mine is a 1.9 engine. Based on your logic, I only have a single cam, and 8v's so my car, per cam, or valve is faster than a FQ400 per cam, or valve. I have 230bhp per cam, what does the FQ have? This is backing up your gay argument of "N/A power vs turbo diesel" crap, as a turbo is technical (too much for you) but then again dont cam/s make a difference too? Oh and valves? Carry on making a arse of yourself, the forums are enjoying this :D

[weed46]

hp per cam? what the hell are you talking man? DO you really think that you have two more cams you could have twice the power?

Yea right... Maths can't be refused, is simple, a car, to be fast needs HP and less weight, not 200 cams. So even if the diesel had the same power as the petrol with the same displacement, the petrol still is better because is way lighter... but is lighter and has the potencial to do way more power. Make your diesel do 400hp per liter, like petrol does...

[TSpark1986]

Based your own replies you cant see how your making yourself look like a tool? My 'cam' and 'valve' reply was the same as yours, and you slate it? What relevance in this day and age, does displacement have? None. If a car is faster, its faster. So why rate a diesel and a petrol JUST by displacement? Or by if it has a turbo or not, or by how many turbo's it has. Just because people choose to spend time and money researching how to get more power out of petrol's, doesnt mean diesels dont too.

[weed46]

Wo care's if the diesel is less wxlpored than the petrol? In a sports car made to be the fastest, the best engine is that that can deliver more HP and less weight, and petrol just slams the diesel in performance and weight. Are diesels underdeveloped? maybe they are, maybe they can be faster on the future, but now, they are well behind. An example, if diesel is better, why nissan just grab the V6 renault diesel and fit it in the GTR? why did they expend milions develop a new "worst" engine?

[elvisvwvw]

he^s stupid why arguing with a complete lack of intelligence :)

[weed46]

Im showing facts, you two are excusing with patetic things like marketing and number of cams.... I show numbers to you, facts.... your arguing is much better, all you can say is "he's stupid" and things like that...

So, conclusion, diesels are faster than petrol because i'm stupid.... cool

[1ns4ne1d10t]

You always get asses like this, they are like Mosquitoes, Killing 1 is not enough. lol Youtube arguments are so pathetic. I think its about time YT pulled the plug on people having the privilege to leave comments. It just causes consistent tiffs between lovers...

[weed46]

@TSpark1986 You say that because a diesel can't gain much with more valves, or variable valve timing... because diesels can't do higher revs... or, they can, but they make no power, because de speed burning rate of the diesel is very slow...

and forget about a diesel being faster than petrol.... it doesn't hapen

[1ns4ne1d10t]

I laugh at the rude boys who drive these 'fearfully quick' VVT cars with their girlfriends sat by their side "showing off" They get a little too over-enthusiastic with TDi's especially in the national speed limit zones. I lay down the law with my 1.9, I show them a clean set of heels all the way to 100 in Lane 1, it drives them insane. They are behind, hammering the living shit out of it, while I chill out listening to Craig David feeling the huge gust of torque pushing it to 100, ha ha

[1ns4ne1d10t]

Ok i'll ask you this question to make you look silly...

If I had an Astra 1.8 16V 120

Will it beat a Seat Leon FR TDi in a shoot-out? go on, say yes!

[weed46]

So you point is to put a top end diesel car vs a rubish petrol car. Why dont you put your FR TDI VS a another top end petorl car?

Will your seat leon FR TDI, can beat a stock mitsubishi evo FQ400 stock? watch out, it has 400hp stock, you can remap your diesel 20 times, you would never get there.

But that is to mad, becase a almost 20 year old toyota MR2, with the 2.0 turbo engine, the 3s-GTE has 245 hp stock, or even worst, your car will lose vs a 1.8 liter NA toyota corolla T-Sport with 192hp.

[1ns4ne1d10t]

The FR TDi 150 is not the ultimate top-end of Turbo Diesels. TDi go to 170 - PSA go to 178 you bell-end! Its not about horsepower its the amount of PULLING power it has. A petrol has 3x Bhp & 2x torque. A T/Diesel has 2x Bhp 3x torque. If you had a 300Bhp diesel then it would probably match an FQ400's torque. You wouldn't have to remap a diesel 20 times over - shows how much you know! Remap, twin turbo/higher PSi, Higher gear ratio, different intercooler, air filter etc. Should do it.

[TSpark1986]

Not even that, technically had two remaps on my car, mostly due to a few upgrades inbetween time, and I wouldnt be 'that' far behind a FQ400. Saying that I could bolt on lots of stuff to a standard TDi, map it once, and piss all over one... with ONE MAP. Weed has no sense of real life, he lives in a dream world where a FQ400 is god (not far off as its a awesome machine, althought a little laggy for my taste)

[1ns4ne1d10t]

Watch these:

"Turbo Honda Civic vs Dodge Twin Turbo Diesel Truck"

"06 Twin Turbo Cummins"

I don't think mine will lose to a 1.8 Toyota T-Sport mines been remapped to 200! The Astra 1.8 120 is not classed a as rubbish bottom range car... the 1.4/1.6 is...

[weed46]

but you have to tune it to make 200hp, that is the point. but when you get a civic muggen with the 2.0 liter NA with 240hp, you have no chance again.

Diesels have 2 times moer torque, but that torque is at 2000rpm, so you don't use it when racing, you never go below 3500rpm, at 45000rpm the torque is little.

Diesel of today are quick but never match a petrol, it's a fact. you can see 2.0 liter petrol tuned cars going well over 700hp, diesel barelly pass 300hp.

[1ns4ne1d10t]

You'd have to tune a petrol with 150bhp to get 200 so where is your point? Civic is N/A but you are forgetting that it cheats with a V-tec out-break after 5,500 RPM.

Now you are admitting todays Diesels are quick now you never said that before. Like I said 700Bhp doesn't matter. You can get a diesel more than 300hp, did you not see that the TwinTurbo Diesel Cummins in that video was 900hp? 300Bhp from a diesel comes from 1 turbo. Add twin turbos & twin intercoolers it can go higher than 300

[weed46]

What, is this a joke? you can have a cheap nissan 200sx, it already does 200hp, or a toyota mr2 with 245hp. or a subaru, or a mitsubishi, or a golf, or a astra, or a Leon, or a S3, or a mazda, or a honda..... ALL THESE CARS CAN MAKE AT LEAST 200hp STOCK, no remap no nothing. and you are wrong again, twin turbos are for better response, because hi HP cars are single turbo. best diesels are the 1.9 TDI and those can't get much more than 300hp...

[weed46]

you can see those VAG 1.8 petrol doing well over 500hp, and it's lighter so why would you buy a slower a heavier diesel.

[1ns4ne1d10t]

"All these cars can make at least 200hp stock" Dip shit, They rely on a Turbo charger or Variable valve timing assistance to access that amount of power you plank! "No remap no nothing" no of course not... They don't rely on Turbos or valve timing do they? Mine relies on a Turbo also but I'm sure VW could stick in a bigger PSi Turbo in a TDi as "Standard" to make it 200 if they wanted to... if VW did that... TDi's would be 200hp stock then wouldn't they? Think about it lol

[weed46]

Variable valve time is cheat? only because it can't be used on diesel right, that is one proof why petrol e a beter solution to go fast. faster? you can run in on bio-ethanol a gain 5-10% hp. A now old toyota 4A-GE engine, with NO Variable valve timing, reached 130hp. 130hp is hi power output to a 1.9tdi. if you rip of the turbo of your 1.9TDI you will get 70hp if that much. A toyota 3S-GE, is a NA engine with no Varbiable valve timing, and has 170hp, with VVT 200hp.

[harrymonson]

Civics dont cheat with vtec, vtec is simply the cars maximum output it just has a smart way of dealing out the power. Diesels are good for big lump lazy gear acceleration, you will catch a petrol out but in no scenario is diesel a better fuel for actually going properly fast. the relationship between torque and acceleration is all to do with revs, which diesels dont have.

[1ns4ne1d10t]

@harrymonson Theories theories theories...

If you drove a 200Bhp TDi like I've got then you might even be slightly impressed at what smack it gives you in its short revs. You can say its "Lazy" but you don't have to rev the living shit out of a TDi to make it dance, It punches past things like a wolf in sheeps clothing with one brutal smack, it doesn't make the driver into a stressed Eric to overtake anything. I'm not going to do 150 flat-out on motorways so a 135Mph TDi does me fine.

[harrymonson]

i have driven a 200hp tdi, doesnt appeal to me. i prefer a flexible petrol engine. revs dont turn people into stressed out eric, its just every diesel owners argument for the performance of thei car over a petrol. im not going to do my cars 147mph top acclaimed speed, its just nice to get to 60 from a standstill in 6.4 seconds :P

[1ns4ne1d10t]

@harrymonson Petrol cars didn't appeal to me after owning 3 of them in the past. 0-60 in 2 changes of the gears & thats your fun over with. Anything after 2nd gear feels gutless with no pull. You have to drop to 3rd gear then rev it all the way to 6,000 & over which gets you to 100. I like my 200Bhp TDi because it pulls the same up hills as it does on flats. In a petrol its only good if its empty or on a flat. As soon as you have people in it or you go up a hill it becomes rather gutless.

[harrymonson]

each to their own good sir

[1ns4ne1d10t]

I had the Fiat Bravo 1.8 115 HLX before the FR. 0-60 wasn't much of a difference between them however the FR was still slightly quicker. The Bravo's only weapon was 2nd gear which could hit 59 on the redline. If I was on my own in the car on a flat road this worked a treat. Mix the terrain around with hills,drops & twists or add 4 people inside, it was useless. In a 200hp TDi I can share the 7.5s fun with 4. In a petrol you can't do that, 4 will knock about 1-3 seconds off its 0-60 time.

[harrymonson]

still justifying yourself eh?

the ep3 civic type r will beat a leon cupra r 225 round a the top gear by 2 seconds (iirc) . it would make a mockery of a leon fr...

thats why i bought it, i can trump people. i dont care for the roads so much, your allowed to do 70.

[1ns4ne1d10t]

What the hell are you on about? I didn't say an FR TDi was a match for a Type R. I was explaining why I personally prefer Diesels to petrols. I don't give a shit if a Honda Civic beats a Cupra R 225 round a track by 2 measly seconds? I don't care if it makes mockery of an FR!? I don't want something that you have to strangle at 5,000 revs to get anything worthwhile from it, whats the matter with that?

[harrymonson]

just sounds like your desperately justifying yourself. i dont care either. i said each to their own and you carried on ranting!

[1ns4ne1d10t]

I don't care either, Mine makes a mockery of the Honda Civic Type-S 2.2 i-CTDi which is in the same league :-P We all know a CTR or LCR will make mockery of an FR, they are insurance group 13 for a good reason, they don't come into the league of 200+bhp "R" badged cars of insurance group 17+. Its a sport Leon thats why its called an FR. Taking the piss out of an FR TDi with a Civic Type R is the same as a Cupra R owner taking the piss out of a Civic Type S i-CTDi. Its mindless pisstaking.

[harrymonson]

im not pisstaking you mate, i love the leon FR my mate has a pristine one i just couldnt see what you were getting at so i thought id lay down the law ;)

[1ns4ne1d10t]

Fair enough, FR's are GTi quick not fast machines, even with remaps of 200Bhp they are still only GTi quick. Its funny when you get people in bog standard sub 2.0 litre cars 'trying it on' with you at the lights = Gone. Late night motorway blasts are a right laugh. People in GTi's try to take you on up the motorway but are helplessly stranded, being left behind with the hope of a possible high-speed overtake all but gone. They sit up yer arse in lane 3 then I boot it moving back in lane 2.

[1ns4ne1d10t]

The funniest time was with my mate in the passenger seat in the FR. We were in L3 overtaking this HGV in L2, up my arse - comes this female racer, Peugeot 206 GTi She was looking to inappropriately undertake me before I had a chance to move over to L2. As I moved over to L2 I kicked down hard & short shifted all the way to 120+. She wasn't too far behind as she noticably dropped it a few cogs to gain power but she still couldn't keep up with the FR though. She got smaller & smaller. Lol

[harrymonson]

one of the funniest times i had i pulled up next to an fr at the lights and the rude boy in it was revving away looking at me obviously after a race, lights turned green and it looked like he was in reverse the civic pulled away so brutally watching him get smaller and smaller ;)

[1ns4ne1d10t]

... Oh, Good for you, and how much money did you win for this race? Only I'm not stupid enough to take on an 'R' badged hot hatch like some idiots in L.S model cars take my FR TDi on, sure a few Cupra R 225 owners have laughed their asses off at a few rude boys in Civic Type S CDTi's trying it on with them like this. Though I'm sure an Evo or an RS owner has some tales to tell about boys like you trying it on with thier 300Bhp cars & losing. I had a right laugh with a VTi once on the A43.

[1ns4ne1d10t]

One of the funniest things I have seen with a CTR is not a race but the little tosser in it with his spikey hair & diamond stud earring getting ripped out of his car, got 7 bells of shit smacked out of him in Ptsmth by a huge fat baldy in a BMW 318. Aw little fanboy felt all invincible in his CTR undertaking everyone until he had to inevitably stop at the red lights. The Vtec didn't save him from a huge fat bald guy making him into mince meat. I clapped & laughed, it taught the little fucker.

[harrymonson]

is that you badly generalizing ctr drivers ? its just aswell im not a chav with spiked up hair, im a young man who enjoys to make music and drive ;) i dont really see how thats relevant to ctr's in any sense the majority of young chavs cant afford the insurance

[1ns4ne1d10t]

CTR drivers are statistically the worst idiots of that stereotype. Like I said the spikey hair, the diamond stud ear ring, the little thin goatee, aged about 23-ish, thinks hes above every other guy & gods gift to everything. He would usually drive a Type R - Can't afford the insurance so he turns to his mum & dads admiral multicar insurance or gets his parent/guardian to insure the car as a main driver then adds himself as a named driver. Not affording the insurance doesn't stop them...

[1ns4ne1d10t]

Anyway I'm not stooping myself down to a low level with these pathetic youtube arguements again, it ends up like a limbo dance - how low can ya go? I'm seriously giving up with argueing with other knobs on here, they are always biased 'tunnel vision' fanboys who get their arse fucked by men, so often that more & more shit comes out of their mouth. I love my FR, she does 50+Mpg & holds off all the overenthusiastic fuckwhits driving in anything bog-standard so it keeps me happy. Nice talk, C ya!

[harrymonson]

your well good at contradicting yourself

[1ns4ne1d10t]

*Yawn* talk to da 'hand' boy. Lol

[TSpark1986]

ive got some law, less talk and more action. Race on, I own a TDi, you own a pisstaking Type R... from memory last season you didnt come out to play when I asked, you gunna man up this year?

[harrymonson]

type r is actually gone now, sold it because power delivery is so outrageous, tried a few diesels but they sickened me so i got a cupra r 225 i wouldnt pity my car racing a silly little polo in drag would i ;)

[TSpark1986]

wow 6.4 seconds is really slow, my diesel is faster haha :)

[TSpark1986]

What you have to remember is these 'idiots' dont look at the powerband. A overall powerband of say the 1.8T they keep going on about, and the 1.9TDi arent far off, the 1.8T has no power below 4,000rpm and slowly gets going at around 4,500rpm til, a little over 6,000rpm? So at best 2,000rpm of power... Same for the diesel really.

[1ns4ne1d10t]

The 1.8 20VT Leons seem to be very progressive when you attempt an overtaking manouvre compared to remapped TDi's. I have been in the older 188 1.8T sport & they seem to lag a lot until they get to 4,000 & upwards then they get a bit faster. The whole car seems to be a bit more gutless to 130 then my TDi is. Its not slow though, it still shifts at speed but it doesn't seem so punchy & you really notice it when its doing 120 whereas in mine you don't realise it.

[1ns4ne1d10t]

Funny you should mention that about the 1.8T, I was on the M3 ages ago & this guy in a 1.8T FR (Same colour as mine) wanted a race for a bit of fun so I nodded, 3 short horn blasts we were away. I pulled ahead of his, I kept to 3-3.5k with slick changes, I was expecting the 180 to beat mine but did it fuck! it stayed exactly where it was. He was sitting behind my B-pillar going nowhere. The fact that 1.8T's pick up at 4k explains why mine was ahead to start with & keeping itself there.

[TSpark1986]

2.0 seconds to 60ft in a FWD diesel declare your 'revs = acceleration' void my friend.

[harrymonson]

do you know something car manufacturers dont? why dont you write to some explaining how performance cars should be diesel? for the record a bmw 535d top spec will get to 60 in 6.2 seconds, tell me how 6.4 is slow?

[TSpark1986]

Finally a post that adds up, your not wrong, down a drag strip, you will never see below 3,500rpm, however to say torque is low at 4,500rpm is abit silly as I have plenty left at that stage, however yes, I agree peak torque on a drag strip is best as high in the rev range as possible

[weed46]

Why do you thing engeneers when develop the fastest models only make them petrol? fastest golf? is the GTI, fastest? A4? the RS4, fastest 3 series? is the M3. Even VAG that seel so much the TDI thing, when it comes to make the fastest car, they make them petrol not diesel. and petrol are much lighter. Nissan wasted tones of money developing a new V6 engine for the gtr, if diesel is better why dont they save money and take the renault V6 diesel? because it will never reach 500hp and is heavy

[1ns4ne1d10t]

The reason why is because... it would cost manufacturers more money to tune a Diesel for speed. Manufacturers sell cars to make profit, its cheaper for them to make a petrol faster. Making a diesel faster would be heavier & too expensive to produce in the long run because more things would be needed to make it burn more fiercely to match the combustion rate of a Petrol car. So in the end... Its not worth the effort tuning a Diesel as manufacturers will LOSE money not MAKE money you see...

[weed46]

That was funny.... The problem with diesel os not architecture or nothing like that, the problem is fuel burn rate. the only thing you can do to make a diesel faster e adding torque, because you can't add rpm. So to make a 2.0 liter diesel engine doing 800hp, you will need a block and a gearbox as strong as a bunker to deal with that torque, and that kind of materials doesn't exist. And

[1ns4ne1d10t]

The only thing to make a Petrol faster is also adding torque so its not just Diesel!? Think about it, The Maximum Bhp power output doesn't exceed over 6,000 RPM (Unless its a V-Tec) The torque is usually anything from 2,500 - 5,500 RPM. A Diesel is 2,000 - 3,500 RPM. 2,000 RPM less. A Diesel - on average has roughly 1/3 more torque over its petrol equivalent to compensate for a 2,000 RPM loss of revs. So the parts are going to have to be 1/3 stronger than a petrol car. Its not bunker strong!

[weed46]

Everithing you say is wrong. dont o see street skylines going up 10,000rpm? and stock redline is 8,000rpm. The same with supras, stock redline is 6900rpm, and you can see them tuned going ner 9000rpm, of course with new internals. You can do a diesel make 6000rpm, but for what, at that speed, diesel doesn't have time to burn, so they keep them to 5000. Yes, theyhave to be strong, like you see, the audi V12 TDI, had to be detuned to 800Nm of torque becase the gearbox couldnt handle that torque

[1ns4ne1d10t]

Oh, with new internals then yes. You can do that with Diesels aswell but... With all engines... If you go over the stock redline in modifications you are not doing the head gasket or con-rods any favours by going over the red-line. Its always a better bet to put in a higher gear ratio & 4WD system to cope with the increased torque. Adding new internals for higher revs brings on the big risk of overheating & engine failure.

[TSpark1986]

you are aware 'some' diesel's can also increase there rpm limit? Not to 10,000rpm, but it is possible and worthwhile for the same reason. TBF, since ive not been on this for awhile your argument has got better, however your still no diesel tuning expert, and this shows.

[1ns4ne1d10t]

They would also have to gut the car out inside leaving an empty body shell if they were to Diesel-ize the fastest car they had. So all that weight saving & re-engineering will cost them extra money. Then the customer would be getting less car for their money. So it wouldn't sell. Thats more the reason why the fastest cars a Petrol. They can make it fast without doing anything to it that will harm their profits. Its not "petrols are always better" its a money making thing...

[weed46]

Diesels are more economic, petrol are faster. Of course they will not want to make a diesel go faster, because that is like trining to tune a cow to go racing with horses, is no sense. If petrol has much more potencial for going fast, becase are more powerfull and lighter, and that's it. Marketing is what they do to put diesels in competition where you see 5.5 twiturbo diesel audi vs a 2.0 turbo petrol or 3.4l NA in 24h lemans...

[1ns4ne1d10t]

Because its more powerful? What does the word "power" mean to you? Does it mean how fast & high the revs can go or does it mean how hard the revs can pull? They are lighter I'll give you that but whats "Power? Diesels generate more torque "Power" than petrols & petrols generate more Horse "Power" than Diesels. I don't understand which one is the real "Power? you tell me.

[weed46]

becase if they had a 5.5 liter twin turbo diesel wich has 700hp in qualify, versus a 5.5 twin turbo liter petrol engine, the petrol wil have near 2000hp, and they will lap diesel cars. So the restrick petorl to 2.0 liter turbo or 3.4 NA. In WTCC is about the same, they allow diesel to have a 2.0 liter turbo, when petrol have to stick with 2.0 liter NA. Of course diesel win, because NA engines lack torque. Imagin if the chevrolet or BMW had the engines of a WRC... they are 300hp but go as hell

[weed46]

And you are right, VW could make a 2.0 liter diesel output of 250hp, the only problem is that car ould not passa emissions test, so it cant go on the road, but that rule is the same of the petrol engines, they could make the golf GTI with 400hp, but that would not pass emissions, not to mension waranty problems with parts broken. That is why in japan, some cars like the S2000, Rx-8, or 200sx, are more powerfull there than in europe or japan, because their rules emission are less restrictive.

[1ns4ne1d10t]

It wouldn't pass an emissions test? Of course it will! My 200Bhp Leon's emissions were almost exactly the same as the last emissions test when it was 150Bhp I doubt an extra 50Bhp to my Leon is going to fail it! God no. Petrol cars like a 400hp Golf GTi however, might have a problem with that... Remember, despite the sooty black smoke Diesels are still actually less harmful then petrols. Hence why the Tax bracket is still F on mine (£125 Per year) & H/I for a 1.6 16V (£170/£185)

[weed46]

Black smoke is a lot harfull, that is pollution that goes to the ground, to the patatoes that you eat... That is why they make diesel with particle filter, those i agree, are better to the environment, not the older ones, that just had less CO2 emissions. Diesels of today are greener that petrol, with particle filters, but those filters are a problem, becase they can't handle more agressive remaps. that is why lemans audi is detuned to 650hp in race, becase the FAP can't handle all the race

[1ns4ne1d10t]

Mine doesn't have a DPF as standard. I don't have a problem with an aggressive remap with mine as its the old PD 150. It doesn't need to have a DPF to be "Green" a CDTi 16V has a DPF but the tax bracket is F (£125) same as mine & that is based on emissions so not always. Common-rail is limited to tuning anyway as the fuel pump is at a higher pressure then Pumpe Duse so thats another reason why it would be limited... It would screw up the pump more so Its not just a DPF that limits it.

[TSpark1986]

also not true, CR TDi's are actually going to be the way forward for TDi's this is why VAG have got rid of our old noisier PD engines, its easier to manage CR on emissions etc, and the 170 will map with a DPF delete to 230bhp....

[1ns4ne1d10t]

I'm getting a 170 soon. Skoda Octavia, 1.9 170 16V - Not sure weather its going to be a PD or a CR yet.

[TSpark1986]

false

[weed46]

That is false?

[JasonBourne28]

get ur tdi remapped then have a rematch ;)

[weed46]

get a turbo in the civic, and don't even need to rematch :p

[lilov9]

should have done a 50-70mph in 3rd gear the civic would have went backwards diesel torque is mid range

[mcguggonedward]

where did the red car go. oops he won

[StevenJay369]

Diesels are gay plain and simple!

[greg12312]

Yes, they make you very happy

[snazzyjazzy360]

Man that Type-R blew away the Cupra like it was nothing. Listen to that VTEC rev. I guess the Cupra is good for fuel consumption away from the dragstrip lol.

[STI323]

its not ultra quick ultra quick is skyline gtr but its faster than tdi

[dannyt123123]

agreed, i love the type r's but some of the ibiza tdi's are seriously quick, for a relativily small engined diesel car!

[STI323]

yes its quick but stock tdis arent for racing and high rpm

[TSpark1986]

neither are tuned tdi's well not for high rpm anyway, racing on the other hand!

[STI323]

you thought that you overtake type-r???:Dvtec power with tdi???its funny

[dannyt123123]

type r is quick but its not ultra quick, you should never underestimate those cupra tdis

[keluztug]

lolololololol.. where is the honda? tdi´s suck..

[0kojack0]

v-tec power!

[arnol069]

jajaja . . .volviendolo a ver hasta el del tipe r es un paquete que flipas jajaja . . . alli cuando echais carreras salis a 1000vueltas???(i seguro que hasta vacilais a vuestras novias que lo sacais a 300vueltas mas de ralenti i que nose os cala jajaja . . . )dios..OS DA MIEDO LLEGAR AL CORTE?¿?? nose sinceramente..lo unico que medio tiene merito es cuando al del tipe r se le escapa el pie(considero que sin querer, porque parece que echais los piques en rodaje a menos de 4000rp,) i como suena..

[arnol069]

porque no pusiste la camara en el capó?al menos hubieramos visto mas!jajajaj

joder, admiro el cupra tuyo tio, pero en serio, como lo pretendes comparar con un honda, gasolina, 200cv . . . aunque creo sinceramente que da mas de si, equivocaste en el cambio?porque sinceramente, cualquier coche contra otro coche le aguanta de 0-60 . . . almenos tu capo a la altura de su maletero nose valla . . .

saludos

[erickdiegobartolo]

y el honda??? jijiiji komo comaras un askerozo ibiza kon un civic,....no mamesssss

[NeoLuxembourg]

Cool! What do you have on the wheels now? I'm still on the stock pZero as i realy like them (for daily use + some fun ^^), but i have intention to buy some semi-slick (Toyo R888) for my rounds on the Nurnburgring ...

[NeoLuxembourg]

hmmm ... strange ... is your Cupra stock ?

[diss50]

Hi Mate 0 Yes its totally standard 160bhp ;)

[NeoLuxembourg]

Ok, your realy should think about a reprog. Something about 190ps (like my carnow) truly is what the cupra should have on stock ... the missing 30ps ;) Cya dude ...

[diss50]

Yep - Looking at a Sachs clutch and a remap - power should see 205bhp and 450nm torque :D

[NeoLuxembourg]

Greate choise! I'm looking forward for your next "VS" videos ;)

[diss50]

Thanks mate! Will need to get up to Crail again. I have new rubber too (Toyo T1-R) so that should be me good to go! :D

[beekyosuke]

That type r must contain the k20a2 engine.  It's only half a second away from a bolt-on k20a3.

[diss50]

Yep must have something other than a filter and exhaust! Bloody quick car, Smart too ;)

[tacchini]

LOOOOOOL

[jakiiiii]

Haha, where did the Type R go :P

VTEC

Bwarpanator

[diss50]

Disappeared! :D - Great run for the CTR though. Wasnt my best run of the day either. ;)