Damn that shit sucks about the surgery. I wonder if they win best new artist on VMAs or whatever that's coming up. I doubt it though cause they don't get a lot of radio play here.
u al r faggots like this bitch band if u wanna see a real band look up less than jake there the shit and these ppl r just gay ass women wannabees u bitches including molly and that other bit6ch if u read this
LMFAO less than jake? really? How about you go watch some Trivium, Lamb of God, and Killswitch Engaged and so on and so forth. Until you grow some hair on your balls, leave Tokio fans alone.
I was in the front row, but on the side where there wasn't much barricade. I was hardly getting pushed around and had an incredible view. The pit looked bad. I was in line at noon. Pass the line that is. I tried to eat and I just could not! I was too excited. I was eye raped like 2 times and then made eye contact with Bill more. Georg gave me the cutest smile both times when he came over to Tom's side. Tom didn't look at me, and Gustav was just so far back.
HAHA! It wasn't that bad, really. I was there, I would know. Compared to the other shows I've been to, that one was a piece of freakin' cake. I've been to many shows before where people were getting pushed around and come out with things broken and kinds of things. If you're gonna whine about how bad the crowd was, when clearly it looked boring as hell, don't go to another show. Save your parents' money and don't go. I'd be a little happier if you little wimps weren't there.
GOD there were so many little kids there. not only was it slightly annoying to see twice as many parents as there were fans, but a lot of them couldn't see a thing! I tried to be nice and let one really short girl stand in a space where she could see me, and two others jumped in front of me with her. I was not amused. I knew American fans would make me want to rip my hair out.
Thats one of the only reasons that made me like grrrrr. So. many. little. kids. haha. IT was unreal O_o. A lot of the parents I talked to were really cool and into the band though so I thought that was neat.
I'm not above parents coming to shows at all, loving when my parents come to rock out with me, but i've never seen so many kids in my life. You can't really enjoy yourself knowing that you have to be careful to not hurt any of them when you are trying to take care of yourself. I am 22 years old, and this is the first concert I have been to where I just felt really out of my age range and strange.
I completely agree with you. I am almost 18 but there were so many girls who were 12 to 14 around me. I'm like.....c'mon....I KNOW people my age listen to them. lol.Where were you on the floor?
Yeah, the girls that jumped in front of me were 9,12, and 13. My cousin and I were like "WOW....you guys are babies o_o" haha. And For about half the concert I was at the steps right before you stepped into the pit area. The guard was nice enough to let my sibs and I come down to stand on the floor. You might have seen me, girl with the neon green, royal blue, and white hair XD
there really was a lot of room down there. i just hate that fan girls don't know how to be civilized enough and act as though they have some sense of manners. there is always going to be guards in the pits for ever show, but when the parents have to build a wall to keep kiddies from stomping the band just irks me. it makes bands not feel safe there, and the last thing i want if for tokio to not come again or have to amp security.
that should never be that way...and how they were stalking their bus, people have major issues. You'd think they'd make it to where they'd want to come back to cleveland, not flee and never return. Yeah you're a fan, that's great, yeah you want to meet them, that's okay too, but that's what meet and greets are for. There is no need to stand by their bus and wait for them to come out just to scream in their faces. they had enough of that screaming when they were performing.
LMFAO omg those screams were so scary! i have never heard such high frequency screams like that in my life. that's what happens when you only go to manly shows then decided to go to a concert where the mtv generation shows up. if i hadn't been a fan for a year and had waited so long for them to come i would most likely never went. actually, i was warned a few times that the show would be like that. i don't know why i ignore the warnings...
rah! honestly i am not gonna front. i turned into one of those 12 year old's the second i saw the boys. i never thought they would come, and then the next thing i know i am breathing the same air x_x LMFAO ends creepy moment\
omg i was there last night and bill was sooooooooooo sexy. he was amazing. anyone see his cheeseburger with wings shirt??that was great. ahh god bill your great. so is guctav hes adorable. wow there was a parent wall??tht sucks. i didnt see tht. cant wait till they come back. its was such a short concert but amazing nuntheless.
LMFAO i was there last night and i am going to call you little kids for babies for whining over being pushed. take it from someone who normally goes to metal concerts and shows where there are actual mosh pits and crowd surfing. this show was amazing, and you kids are just weak. go ahead and down this comment all you want, but it could have been a lot worse.
Hi from Spain! Thanks for this video and the others.. I went to three concerts in Europe (Barcelona and Madrid, in Spain, and Geneve in Switzerland).Now, they are there..I´m happy for us and for them because their music is international! (I prefere in German,it´s better)
breakaway, final day, 1000 oceans love is dead live every second monsoon black scream don't jump raise your hands together ready set go by your side rescue me and Durch Den Monsun ^^
honestly, I have no idea how I remembered O_O but I hear yeh! I can't wait either! I REALLY REALLY can't wait for the new album ^^ and was it just me, or was soething a teeny bit fishy with Bill's voice last night...
I didn't see it. UGH i wish i did. But i am short and got stuck behind tall people some of the time. If i had seen it i would have freaked. Ich liebe Tokio Hotel. Sie sind ambesten.
I'm tall actually, but I'm a nice fan. I was moving to make sure people behind me could se like the whole time lol. and signs ticked me off..you know? if they're in the front they should be a little considerate of those right beind them X(
Ya if your gonna be in the back signs are fine. But the standing room isn't that big. Don't bring signs if you up front. There was one girl in white with short hair that i saw move around for this really short girl. Later the girl had to leave i felt bad for her. My arm was on some people at times..i felt bad but because of being sqiushed and being short i couldn' really do to much about it.
haha I know, I was like glued to the people around me before the concert started, you know when we were standing there for an hour, and I made everyone chant we want tokio hotel, and sing scream (I can't believe I started those XD) but you remember how once they came out, and breakaway started we all like pushed around for a while, then shifted? lol it was comfy and roomy after that, at least for me and my friends.
I was probably about 4th row at the start. Near the end i lost my friends. Last couple songs i was so squished and i had some guy grinding on me. I was so awakward and there wasn't any room to get away. I never made it to the front but i did get a bit closer. Before the concert started me and this other girl were having a pushing contest. It sucked. Neither of us had room and we were pushing on eachother for room that wasn't there. Did you see the parent wall.
Lmao!!! I believe I was rigt next to the parent wall! XD I remember seeing a few folks by me...was the wall on Tom's side? Plus that pushing stuff was ridiculous. and if you pushed some one else, even on accident, yo'd get your ass chewed out. People need to grow up X(
I was between georg and bill. I can't believe the parents made a wall all across. that is so stupid. If you can't handle it don't come or stand in the back. cause its not fair to everyone else. If you come to a standing room concert you should understand you are going to get pushed around a lot. There was this 12yr old they were protecting on my side. She ended up gettin pulled out.
well she wasn't very big. Once they came on stage the parents weren't strong enough to keep everyone from pushing forward. I would hate to be pulled out.
me too. I feel kinda bad for her, yet she should have known it would be like that. I'd never been to a general admission concert, and I knew it'd be like it was.
This was my 2nd concert and i knew i was gonna get pushed around. At first it pissed me off but i just got used to it. After a while having people all up on my didn't bug me like it normaly would have.
same here, I was super pissed because even during breakwaway, I was getting my ass knocked around, and coldn't even see Bill...but halfway throught the song, everything settled, and then I just had so much fun, I thought screw the people trying to push me, and I pushed a few back. If they wanted to be close like me, they should have come earlier it's not my problem
I know, if you want to be close come early. I got hob at like 12. and then we ate and then went to stand in line. I ate my food really fast cause i wanted to go stand in line. Next time if i got to hob in cleveland i am going to be there before hob opens.
bill's voice has been different ever since he had the surgery. it still sounds great, but you can tell that he tries not to strain his voice too much too soon.
I know that's what I mean, it just makes me sad that it came to that back then. I was devastated lol and I know Bill would have been if he couldn't sing anymore. I'm really glad he's okay :D And your right, I mean he still sounds AMAZING!!! *loves Tokio Hotel*
i think what i miss about the old voice is how sexy it was. he was sooooo smooth before he went under, but i actually like the force-filled Billa. i'm just glad that he is alright and was able to come back out to see us all.
SAME HERE SAME HERE! lol his voice is still sexy now, but yeah it was smooth then. And I saw you have Georg's bottle...I HAVE GUSTI'S!! lol and I play the drums too, so I'm like so excited XD
hah sweet! My mom/my friends and their moms saw Tom walk right past them while we were waiting in that enter 15 minutes early room XD I was sooo jealous XD
3:16 - "Time has DiED" On Died, Bill lowers the note and it sounds really cool!
Fantasy4Horses 2 years ago
Bill is genial
Titoletal 2 years ago
Tom °ç°
GaiaAnti 3 years ago
Bill is hott
backthere77 3 years ago 6
Omg.!! i was there it was amazing!
i am going to the Columbus one on the 27th!!!!!
bluestrkgrl 3 years ago
how lucky you are !!!!
jeffreysbu 3 years ago
saw them in France!
Just amazing
but why do these girls scream during the song???!!!! it's wasting his voice
tatalolitaaa 3 years ago
BEAAAAAAAAAAAAH
DEUTSCH !!! DEUTSCH!!
holland liebt TOKIO HOTEL
MnOnLiebtTom 3 years ago
this concert was ahhhhh mazing!
i remember that wholeeee night likeeee seriously.
i coulndt believe i was acually 1 foot away from themmmm <333
emmalikestokiohotel 3 years ago
Damn that shit sucks about the surgery. I wonder if they win best new artist on VMAs or whatever that's coming up. I doubt it though cause they don't get a lot of radio play here.
oxLmanny 3 years ago
what was the surgery?
sk8r99girl78 3 years ago
he had a cyst on his vocal cords. a cyst is a fluid filled bubble if u didnt know.
sugar0728 3 years ago
mwahahaha yesh they did win.
dumdumdugan31 3 years ago
was this their first song there.
brookanooka 3 years ago
I love it
Tokio HOtel coms to germenay!!!!!!
Abi20012 3 years ago
i tried to be there but i just couldnt go 4-5 hours in the end :[ even thought i traveled to new york once to see them.
punkett22 3 years ago
whoaaa nice camera quality !
I WAS THERE !
tallynich 3 years ago
I love Tokio Hotel so much.
But they are never in VA or WI. :(
AnneLoveBiLL4ever 3 years ago
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u al r faggots like this bitch band if u wanna see a real band look up less than jake there the shit and these ppl r just gay ass women wannabees u bitches including molly and that other bit6ch if u read this
ltjfan13 3 years ago
LMFAO less than jake? really? How about you go watch some Trivium, Lamb of God, and Killswitch Engaged and so on and so forth. Until you grow some hair on your balls, leave Tokio fans alone.
Azckey 3 years ago
That concer was AMAZIN!!! i had so much fun! the best nite of my life!
TeeHeeiluvu 3 years ago
tom is gawjuss i h8 the fact i live in england n they neva come here :(
luvintomkaulitzx 3 years ago
I WENT TO THIS CONCERT IT ROCKED!!!!! If you listen closely u can hear my friend screaming TOM!!! lol
gunsnrosesluver4eva 3 years ago
i was their and it was the best night of my life!!!!!Bill does sing the best live!!!!!!!
TomKaulitzLover4life 3 years ago
what happen he had surgery?
oxLmanny 3 years ago
too much singing put a strain on his vocal cords, and he had to have something removed off his vocals cords if my memory serves me right
Azckey 3 years ago
I was there too! It was such an amazing night!
LoL i got hit by gustav's water =P
Gazellaney 3 years ago
THIS WAS THE BEST NIGHT Of My LIFE
ElizabethKaiser 3 years ago
i know we had a blast :D
animegirl968 3 years ago
I Was There Too!!!!
cellular1109 3 years ago
yeah the show was amazing , but i did find it hilarious when all those little girls took off running chasing their tour bus down a few blocks.
br0k3n1ns1de 3 years ago
oh wow that's hilarious...im surprised their parents didn't tell them thats it was time for them to go home. LMFAO
RyoutaKai 3 years ago
I was just going to ask where the parents were when their children were acting like little monkeys XD
Azckey 3 years ago
was there an encore??
im asking this because at the NJ concert there were 2, so im curious. lol.
X0IHATESCHOOLX0 3 years ago
yeah. they came out and did rescue me, and then durch den monsun
Azckey 3 years ago
really...?
oh cool. someone else said no. im confused. lol. maybe they were talking about a different concert. but thanks for answering. :)
X0IHATESCHOOLX0 3 years ago
Oh, by the way, what kind of camera did you use to record this?
I used my camera phone (SCHEISSE) and I want to buy a new camera.
DANKE!
thrainboez 3 years ago
Man, that was so much fun.
I was 3rd rowish, on Tom's side<3
thrainboez 3 years ago
I was first row on Tom's side!
xxkaulitzlovexx 3 years ago
How bad were you pushed against the barricade? My daughter got hurt-bruised sternum?
sugar6 3 years ago
I was in the front row, but on the side where there wasn't much barricade. I was hardly getting pushed around and had an incredible view. The pit looked bad. I was in line at noon. Pass the line that is. I tried to eat and I just could not! I was too excited. I was eye raped like 2 times and then made eye contact with Bill more. Georg gave me the cutest smile both times when he came over to Tom's side. Tom didn't look at me, and Gustav was just so far back.
xxkaulitzlovexx 3 years ago
HAHA! It wasn't that bad, really. I was there, I would know. Compared to the other shows I've been to, that one was a piece of freakin' cake. I've been to many shows before where people were getting pushed around and come out with things broken and kinds of things. If you're gonna whine about how bad the crowd was, when clearly it looked boring as hell, don't go to another show. Save your parents' money and don't go. I'd be a little happier if you little wimps weren't there.
RyoutaKai 3 years ago
GOD there were so many little kids there. not only was it slightly annoying to see twice as many parents as there were fans, but a lot of them couldn't see a thing! I tried to be nice and let one really short girl stand in a space where she could see me, and two others jumped in front of me with her. I was not amused. I knew American fans would make me want to rip my hair out.
Azckey 3 years ago
Thats one of the only reasons that made me like grrrrr. So. many. little. kids. haha. IT was unreal O_o. A lot of the parents I talked to were really cool and into the band though so I thought that was neat.
xxkaulitzlovexx 3 years ago
I'm not above parents coming to shows at all, loving when my parents come to rock out with me, but i've never seen so many kids in my life. You can't really enjoy yourself knowing that you have to be careful to not hurt any of them when you are trying to take care of yourself. I am 22 years old, and this is the first concert I have been to where I just felt really out of my age range and strange.
Azckey 3 years ago
I completely agree with you. I am almost 18 but there were so many girls who were 12 to 14 around me. I'm like.....c'mon....I KNOW people my age listen to them. lol.Where were you on the floor?
xxkaulitzlovexx 3 years ago
Yeah, the girls that jumped in front of me were 9,12, and 13. My cousin and I were like "WOW....you guys are babies o_o" haha. And For about half the concert I was at the steps right before you stepped into the pit area. The guard was nice enough to let my sibs and I come down to stand on the floor. You might have seen me, girl with the neon green, royal blue, and white hair XD
Azckey 3 years ago
UGH, I DON'T EVEN LIKE LITTLE KIDS!!!
RyoutaKai 3 years ago
I know you don't, and that's because you are mean >:O lmfao
Azckey 3 years ago
im not mean i just care for kids that ruin my fun....closing the floor because of those losers w/e
RyoutaKai 3 years ago
im not mean i just don't care for kids that ruin my fun....closing the floor because of those losers w/e
RyoutaKai 3 years ago
there really was a lot of room down there. i just hate that fan girls don't know how to be civilized enough and act as though they have some sense of manners. there is always going to be guards in the pits for ever show, but when the parents have to build a wall to keep kiddies from stomping the band just irks me. it makes bands not feel safe there, and the last thing i want if for tokio to not come again or have to amp security.
Azckey 3 years ago
that should never be that way...and how they were stalking their bus, people have major issues. You'd think they'd make it to where they'd want to come back to cleveland, not flee and never return. Yeah you're a fan, that's great, yeah you want to meet them, that's okay too, but that's what meet and greets are for. There is no need to stand by their bus and wait for them to come out just to scream in their faces. they had enough of that screaming when they were performing.
RyoutaKai 3 years ago
LMFAO omg those screams were so scary! i have never heard such high frequency screams like that in my life. that's what happens when you only go to manly shows then decided to go to a concert where the mtv generation shows up. if i hadn't been a fan for a year and had waited so long for them to come i would most likely never went. actually, i was warned a few times that the show would be like that. i don't know why i ignore the warnings...
Azckey 3 years ago
it's because you can't deny the sexy that comes with the great music :D
RyoutaKai 3 years ago
rah! honestly i am not gonna front. i turned into one of those 12 year old's the second i saw the boys. i never thought they would come, and then the next thing i know i am breathing the same air x_x LMFAO ends creepy moment\
Azckey 3 years ago
gustav****haha.my bad
tammis513 3 years ago
omg i was there last night and bill was sooooooooooo sexy. he was amazing. anyone see his cheeseburger with wings shirt??that was great. ahh god bill your great. so is guctav hes adorable. wow there was a parent wall??tht sucks. i didnt see tht. cant wait till they come back. its was such a short concert but amazing nuntheless.
tammis513 3 years ago
LMFAO i was there last night and i am going to call you little kids for babies for whining over being pushed. take it from someone who normally goes to metal concerts and shows where there are actual mosh pits and crowd surfing. this show was amazing, and you kids are just weak. go ahead and down this comment all you want, but it could have been a lot worse.
Azckey 3 years ago
they are sooo amazing live. i caught bill's water bottle. yeah. be jealous.
katsiepooxiloveyou 3 years ago
I caught Gustav's ^^
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
i have georg's. it's all smashed up, but it's better than nothing ^^
Azckey 3 years ago
omg that was seriously the best day of my life! i was singing so loudly lol.
i was on tom's side :)
and i swear bill smilled at me! haha
omg they are AMAZING live!
tokio hotel foreverrrr!
xoxoaznshortiee 3 years ago
Hi from Spain! Thanks for this video and the others.. I went to three concerts in Europe (Barcelona and Madrid, in Spain, and Geneve in Switzerland).Now, they are there..I´m happy for us and for them because their music is international! (I prefere in German,it´s better)
Maresanz 3 years ago
i was there
sexie199 3 years ago
what was the song order?
longanna99 3 years ago
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
wow how did you remember the order. This concert was amazing. I wish i could go to another on this tour. Can't wait till they do another tour!
brownxeyedxgurlx 3 years ago
honestly, I have no idea how I remembered O_O but I hear yeh! I can't wait either! I REALLY REALLY can't wait for the new album ^^ and was it just me, or was soething a teeny bit fishy with Bill's voice last night...
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
I didn't see it. UGH i wish i did. But i am short and got stuck behind tall people some of the time. If i had seen it i would have freaked. Ich liebe Tokio Hotel. Sie sind ambesten.
brownxeyedxgurlx 3 years ago
I'm tall actually, but I'm a nice fan. I was moving to make sure people behind me could se like the whole time lol. and signs ticked me off..you know? if they're in the front they should be a little considerate of those right beind them X(
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
Ya if your gonna be in the back signs are fine. But the standing room isn't that big. Don't bring signs if you up front. There was one girl in white with short hair that i saw move around for this really short girl. Later the girl had to leave i felt bad for her. My arm was on some people at times..i felt bad but because of being sqiushed and being short i couldn' really do to much about it.
brownxeyedxgurlx 3 years ago
haha I know, I was like glued to the people around me before the concert started, you know when we were standing there for an hour, and I made everyone chant we want tokio hotel, and sing scream (I can't believe I started those XD) but you remember how once they came out, and breakaway started we all like pushed around for a while, then shifted? lol it was comfy and roomy after that, at least for me and my friends.
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
I was probably about 4th row at the start. Near the end i lost my friends. Last couple songs i was so squished and i had some guy grinding on me. I was so awakward and there wasn't any room to get away. I never made it to the front but i did get a bit closer. Before the concert started me and this other girl were having a pushing contest. It sucked. Neither of us had room and we were pushing on eachother for room that wasn't there. Did you see the parent wall.
brownxeyedxgurlx 3 years ago
Lmao!!! I believe I was rigt next to the parent wall! XD I remember seeing a few folks by me...was the wall on Tom's side? Plus that pushing stuff was ridiculous. and if you pushed some one else, even on accident, yo'd get your ass chewed out. People need to grow up X(
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
I was between georg and bill. I can't believe the parents made a wall all across. that is so stupid. If you can't handle it don't come or stand in the back. cause its not fair to everyone else. If you come to a standing room concert you should understand you are going to get pushed around a lot. There was this 12yr old they were protecting on my side. She ended up gettin pulled out.
brownxeyedxgurlx 3 years ago
yeah I saw that. I'm pretty sure they pulled her out during Final Day. That was only the second song, too. Wow. lol
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
well she wasn't very big. Once they came on stage the parents weren't strong enough to keep everyone from pushing forward. I would hate to be pulled out.
brownxeyedxgurlx 3 years ago
me too. I feel kinda bad for her, yet she should have known it would be like that. I'd never been to a general admission concert, and I knew it'd be like it was.
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
This was my 2nd concert and i knew i was gonna get pushed around. At first it pissed me off but i just got used to it. After a while having people all up on my didn't bug me like it normaly would have.
brownxeyedxgurlx 3 years ago
same here, I was super pissed because even during breakwaway, I was getting my ass knocked around, and coldn't even see Bill...but halfway throught the song, everything settled, and then I just had so much fun, I thought screw the people trying to push me, and I pushed a few back. If they wanted to be close like me, they should have come earlier it's not my problem
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
I know, if you want to be close come early. I got hob at like 12. and then we ate and then went to stand in line. I ate my food really fast cause i wanted to go stand in line. Next time if i got to hob in cleveland i am going to be there before hob opens.
brownxeyedxgurlx 3 years ago
hah I had to watch my brother, so I didn't get there till 3. Were you waiting outside the hob? or were you in the get in early room?
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
bill's voice has been different ever since he had the surgery. it still sounds great, but you can tell that he tries not to strain his voice too much too soon.
Azckey 3 years ago
I know that's what I mean, it just makes me sad that it came to that back then. I was devastated lol and I know Bill would have been if he couldn't sing anymore. I'm really glad he's okay :D And your right, I mean he still sounds AMAZING!!! *loves Tokio Hotel*
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
i think what i miss about the old voice is how sexy it was. he was sooooo smooth before he went under, but i actually like the force-filled Billa. i'm just glad that he is alright and was able to come back out to see us all.
Azckey 3 years ago
SAME HERE SAME HERE! lol his voice is still sexy now, but yeah it was smooth then. And I saw you have Georg's bottle...I HAVE GUSTI'S!! lol and I play the drums too, so I'm like so excited XD
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
Thank you!
akesu 3 years ago
lol X3
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
I was there too, they were amazing, awesome concert
gopens71 3 years ago
fckin amazingg!! (=
ich liebe tokio hotel! [♥]!
tokiohotelgirl1225 3 years ago
I was there!! We were on Tom's side! Best day of my life!!
kiki112890 3 years ago
I was here last night in the front row! The show was the greatest. I was on Tom's side of the stage.
xxkaulitzlovexx 3 years ago
me tooo!! lol I was somewhere a litle bit behind you probably! Aazing concert though!
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
i was also there, i was over by georg, and bill and tom smiled ant me and my friends and at their tour bus, tom waved at us
Jezzyka1506 3 years ago
hah sweet! My mom/my friends and their moms saw Tom walk right past them while we were waiting in that enter 15 minutes early room XD I was sooo jealous XD
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
bill sang great live, he was still great till the end
Jezzyka1506 3 years ago
^^ Bill's amazing :D
RUKIA13KUROSAKI 3 years ago
i was towards toms side too... towards the end lol.
br0k3n1ns1de 3 years ago
it´s really amazing to see the boys in the usa...but it also hurts to see them so far away...
kleinhoney 3 years ago
tokio hotel always the best!!!
iwithyou 3 years ago
genial !!! (L)
merygijon483 3 years ago
so amazing ; o
TOMsLiebhaber 3 years ago
So beautiful. Thank you for uploading this
xxjanzxx 3 years ago
i was there they ROCK #1 thnks for the upload up close
tokiohotel199018 3 years ago