I'm 14 year old boy from Finland and I love Ireland and Irish, my only reason is that I've visited Ireland, and that's not even a reason, I just do love Irish. And I believe that someday occupied northern ireland'll be free!
@sahiblindberg Your very ignorant, and clearly have NO IDEA about the situation in Northern Ireland, my North Irish people consider themselves British and would die fighting for that.
We should give them back their home, my Irish family in the north are loyalists, but me here in England, I support the nationalists! I love Britain and Ireland and would love to see the 4 nations side by side, but Englands just a huge melting pot and there's very few people who are patriotic here, and the government is corrupt..
@95jjs@95jjs agreed....we are all brothers....but i feel we should be independent brothers standing on our own two feet..........joke is loyalists share same blood with celtic types far back in history
@firbolg1963 Here in the 'States, it got up to #21 on Billboard's Hot 100 pop-singles chart. McCartney's follow up was "Mary Had A Little Lamb" which was about the only time a song made up completely of a nursery rhyme made the top-40 singles chart here in the US.
If someone was to ask me, I'd say that independence from both London and Dublin is probably the best solution for the region.
If only it was that simple...when I lived in Belfast, the conflict with all the new young splinter groups seem to be more like gang violence with an income fueled by drugs...any1 else try selling drugs outside the groups got their knee caps...capped...honest business burn to the ground for not paying 'protection'...And hatred taught to the young.
@imagodtoya ofc i take it your refering 2the loyalit/ protestant people ? ofc they are stil drug dealing ... and even still killing their own people ? weird .....
Im English but my entire family is Irish, I am proud of my Irish roots. I believe in a united Ireland, Im looked down upon for it because Im seen as a man who supports terrorism? Is that right?
I support republicanism. I don't support the splinter groups like the RIRA because violence will never result in a united Ireland that was proven and people died for no reason in the end. I disagree with the monarchy because they are useless figureheads used to attract the yanks for a holiday.
I'm Irish , Im Irish through and through but i see no point in holding a grudge that began 700 years ago and ended 100 years ago, people in the North have recently began a peace process and it has improved but at this stage i think it's time for the republicans to stop demanding a united Ireland , The North is the North with new generations being born there, I feel the are not "Irish" nor "British" they are Ulster men and women and thats how they should be known
@SuperEmcg you talk a load of absolute bolox.try telling the loyalists they are not british>good luck<im an ulsterman(monaghan) and republican.i have no religion, them with collars on are twisted self serving morally bankrupt lazy bastards.only intellegent way to a united country is to consign all violence and religion to the past.democratic and fare regional local gvt.abandon the fat cats at home or overseas+ lose europe and britain. start afresh and build one real democratic nation
Im English and proud. I love Ireland Scotland Wales and Ulster. I dont support the queen , I dont support the British government. The British government is anti English, anti British and anti Irish. The English and Irish people have common ancestors and both have been kept down by the British people over the years. As a working class Englishman I have more in common with a working class Irishman than some upperclass British toff at in parliment. Britain and Ireland should be seperate but allies
@Focuskoi1 very well said,good to see some intellegence and common sense on this site.4 ind republics is the logical approach,dump the leeches i.e aristocrats/churches,no one needs middle man to be right with creator(thats if he believes) Irl= 5 million people,Eng=50 million people,where is the commom sense in that,of course the gentry have their 5000 acre estates and lavish homes,there are bigger issues now than an age old fight forced upon us both english and irish working people
@swaaahtome no Im english. They were probably decended from vikings or the french so you have to draw the line somewhere. So im english and proud. Id invade scotland tomorrow and nick all the oil then use ireland as a prison for all the horrid theiving murdering scum in this country.
McCartney, like Harrsion and Lennon were three lads of immigrant Irish stock. Where would the British be without immigrants adding to their culture? From the Frenchman Brunel, to the Irish Beatles, immigrants have contributed so much to the UK. Jews, Greeks, Germans, Indians, so many good people adding to British culture in positive ways. The Beatles are part of this rich narrative.
Well done Macca for speaking up on behalf of your forefathers.
you have to remember northies the south is an economic i know im a dubliner but thats the government fault not the republics and most people want a united ireland regardless of religion etc 1 ireland. but there needs to b coup or somethin. irish government so fucking corrupt
I cn't understand the people in the south.. they're not interested at all. its taboo to even say this in the South! Thanks Paul Mc, just wish there wasn't so much apathy down here!
the fucking damage is done in northern ireland. should NEVER have been partitioned. now southern ireland is a mess and in hock to europe and the imf. so i suppose NOW we'll get a united ireland. typical. too little too late
if hitler won the second world war, many europeans would be terrorists. the brits still occupy northern ireland, helping the prots discriminating the catholics, who are also the natives, how strange that they are named terrorists.
@DejectedPanda Not some Irish, Only the Plantations of Scotlands and Englands Protestant Loyalist..... whom where Planted to create a divide!
The same way you will see hot spots in England of ethnic, racial and social economical divide and the same much across the westren world.... Its just how they roll..... Divide and control!
Great song, great singer, great cause!!! Of course Ireland should be for the Irish!!! I am from a Scottish family and live in Scotland but I have a great deal of Irish blood and I love both countries. Le beannachdan (With blessings), Ruiseart.
@despuis Despuis I don't imagine the British Military did not commit attrocities in ireland, I can think of a few examples of the top of my head, that I at least consider war crimes. Differences is they are well documented and provable. Black and Tans especially. But he stated it was proven and documented that the British Armey raped and then bayoneted pregenant women cutting their babies out. I have never seen evidence of that anywhere, and I don't for a second believe it.
@crazipc08 Ha ha you couldn't be more wrong my friend. I'm a republican, and a pacifist. I therefore couldn't think of two institutions I support less than The Royal or The Military. I don't think anyone has ever got me more wrong but you made me chuckle. Thanks for that.
@jacksbacksucker jack in relation to your many detailed explanations on why Lennon did>luck o the irish/bloody sunday< i can give you a direct quote from him........if its a choice between the BA and theIRA il,take the lra
@despuis But if it's a choice between violence and non-violence, I'm with non-violence...that was the next bit. That's why he stopped supporting the I.R.A when they went down that route so heavily from '74. So many terrible things have happened in Ireland, who has got clean hands. It's good the peace has lastest this long, lets hope it carries on. Off to Belfast this weekend, not been there for three years, will be interesting to see how it's changed, if it has.
@jacksbacksucker bolox to you jack,i cant seem to win with you.i am relieved an glad of the peace now,but i bet if you had seen your people discriminated against routinly attacked and murdered for simply asking for equal rights in their own country,you would not have felt too peacefull.the fact that lennon did these songs at all an the lyrics speaks volumes.stay quiet in belfast everything is just below the surface
@despuis haha fair play to you despuis. I can be a smart ass. I do understand why people take up arms. But your either a pacifist or not, John seems to never have made his mind up fully on that. Daniel O'Connel is a man I respect, he stood up for his people and their rights, but dedicated to peace all the same, I read a great quote of his once about not a single life lost in cause of nationalism being worth it, but forget the exact details unfortunately.
@despuis And yeah been to Belfast a few times, and never talk politics, it an unspoekn rule for everyone there I find. The place was still booming last time I went there, the economy has nose dived a fair bit since, so it will be interesting to see if that has changed things much. People tend to be more happy and content with money in the pocket.
@TheWicklowjoe "british soldiers have raped pregnant women and then bayoneted them to death(its well documented)" Really??? I'm not saying you're wrong Wicklow Joe.. When did this happen? which documents and where? .
give it back....wish we could, im sick of paying my tax'es to keep the workshy irish of the north. im all for a united ireland, then we can send all the irish pikeys back home,
@scrapman999 who do ya think ya are to insult my heritage WORKSHY I mean that was bad enough THAT one set me off my dad is almost as Irish as they come and he works 5 1/2 days a week ALL DAY a day an' a half shy of a full blown seven days and my Grandmother worked her hands to the bones to make ends meet if she didn't have her heart problem she'd most likely be workin so don't ya dare insult my heritage again oh n remember how in the civil war the confederates and union wanted Irish fighters
This song, besides having a good and very relevant message, is sung by a Scouser from Liverpool who considers himself to be Liverpool Irish for all intensive purposes. "Mum was a Catholic, Dad was a Protestant."
if ireland wasnt part of great britian and northern ireland the Union Jack wouldnt have St Patricks cross in it and it never be the same i love the irish being part of the uk with out it we would be nothing long live the united kingdom of Great Gritian and northern Ireland !!!!!!!!!!!
@easy77146 bu we do not want to be part of GB ,nor do wewant your financial bailouts,just repay the billions you owe for centuries of plunder/slavery and murder,then leave and take your people with you
@TheWicklowjoe problem is brit selective vision in looking at their history,yes we should keep brit loan as down payment on reparations take them to world court for the rest of the 100s of billions they plundered out of Ireland,bring back the punt/get out of euro.NEWSFLASH/Pope financed William of Orange invasion of Ireland,we need to drop Rome,we are Irish Catholics not Romans, have option for married clergy,True Celtic more egalitarian christianity.Rome is ally of UK and friend of pedophiles
@thebearpeople Agree. If we kicked out nationalist bigotry, religious hypocracy, and capitalist speculation and exploitation from both Britain and Ireland thousand year old problem solved in a day.
@thebearpeople sadly thats precisely the point, you can keep this up all day.have you considered trying something constructive to help yourself and the country recover.oops sorry i forgot your part of the entitled generation(so lucky 1st one in irish history)you are only entitled to what you make happen yourself.,stop looking for someone to blame and get on with it,the irish have a reputation around the world as the hardest working people on the planet,so give it a try
@despuis i think giving nearly half of my hard earned wages to the government and some bank that i have nothing to do with every 2 weeks could be considered helping the country.
"the irish have a reputation around the world as the hardest working people on the planet,so give it a try"
that's actually not true. neither are the myths that :
a)we are "celts".
b) we have the best education in europe
c)everyone loves the irish.
d)we were a peaceful nation before the "evil sassanach" etc
@thebearpeople my apologies for assuming you were not pulling your weight,got to be frustrating having to pay up for the gross mismanagement/corruption of a few.I(born in monaghan)have lived/worked in EnglandAussieCanada i know the Irish ar highly respected an valued as hard workers,i have many friends/family members whom have become quite prosperous through hard work and with no formal education whatsoever.ABCD are mostly true though there is some myth involved JBS could most likely educate us
Simple...follow his song...since the 15th century the irish have used guns to make their freedom.....Now the english can't own a gun to protect themselves from the own gov.
I hope Britain knows that the PIRA military campaign was not aimed at killing English or N. Irish civilians. These deaths were a result of Britain's stubborn government refusing to "negotiate w/ terrorists", although they would've been negotiating w/ the Irish people, so the freedom fighters were forced to target the military in the Troubles to show Britain that we weren't f'in around...your military did horrific things in Éire. The IRA had to use terror...even though the 1900s IRB/IRA didn't...
@slapshot37GNR truth is they really do not want to face the reality of their own culpability/responsibility for all the deaths that have taken place in our country for the last century
But aren't the reasons for division now quite an anachronism? What is the reason that N.Ireland is not one with the Republic? I had always been told as an American that it was religious division, but isn't that all so defunct in a secular age? Please enlighten me dear Irish folks.
@jeff62rey get a good history book, ulster was settled by people loyal to the london monarchy and state in the 16th and 17th century....they displaced the original gaelic people....its an immigrant community cum colony...like the dutch settling south africa
@conectmaster Northern Ireland is not also known as Scotland. They are two entirely seperate countries (with England and Wales part of the United Kingdom) The majority of people in Northern Ireland are however decended, largely, from Scottish farmers planted there by King James Stuart in the 17th century.
F'ck the British government, not the people, who oppressed Éire for 800yrs. If the United Kingdom thinks that they can continue to cover their actions up under the metaphorical blanket of safety that hides British cruelty demonstrated in the past, they will suffer. Go ahead, call the IRA terrorists. They have no time to argue with it. They know "terrorism" refers to guerilla tactics, used by almost every country...the Irish cannot fight a conventional war. It's their homeland. Tiocfaidh ár lá...
@slapshot37GNR Abit of a strange comment considering your fave book is by andy mcnab (A ex SAS soldier who served the British army in Northern Ireland.)
@WorkOrRiot A bit strange that in this world, humans can't realize that there are two sides to a soldier. I do not support McNab's actions, or any of the corrupt SAS 'cause they release information on ex-IRA members to Protestant/Loyalist Paramilitaries, because he shot an unarmed eighteen-year-old and was rewarded with a medal, but wht else should u expect from the Brits? Anyways, I respect him for what he did outside of N. Ireland. I'm not a stubborn wanker like you. It's waste of time arguin'
@WorkOrRiot Anyways, the campaign is not against the British military, it's against the government, the cowards who "refuse to negotiate with 'terrorists'" and send in troops to fight an unstoppable force, hell-bent on freedom. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The British classified the IRA as freedom fighters, and an organized force, until they sought talks. Why? You aren't that dumb, you should figure it out...most of Britain wants a free Ireland, why would u want peace?
@slapshot37GNR What is freedom? The British have never stopped the people of northern Ireland doing things they want, we even let some of them march down the streets with IRA flags. Infact the British kept Northern Ireland in top form whilst the rest of Ireland went bust (we also bailed out the ROI by lending them billions)
The Irish used to take Celtic Britons as slaves (st patrick being one of them) so no ones completely innocent.
@Skyifictionable Lets forget about the thousands of celtic britons who suffered and died and dismiss them as ancient history, lets moan about 13 people who died because they was trying to stir up trouble on the streets of Northern Ireland instead... I will give you credit though, the tosh you come out with is plastic-paddy esque and you are a real Irishman so kudos to you. Maybe the suffering the Irish have gone through is Karma for there 'ancient history'?
@WorkOrRiot Did you know any of those Celtic Britons personally? No. They ARE ancient history.
On the other hand, the families of the innocent Irishmen killed by British Army are still alive today.
You're wording is totally inappropriate, the 14 BOYS and men who died were not "stirring up trouble". They were protesting against the discrimination of Catholics, would you live in a society were you weren't allowed a job because of your religion? One, were the Police force doesn't protect you?
@Skyifictionable Bloody Sunday was more like 40 years ago now. Sadly 20 years ago, plenty of innocent people were being killed on both sides. If you look on the CAIN website, this week 20 yrs ago 5 people died, 4 Protetstant killed by the IRA, one Catholic, allegedly by the RUC. 1991 was also the year 36 year old British photographer with a 16 month old baby at home was killed by shrapnel to the heart when the IRA bombed Victoria station London. We have, thank god, come along way since then.
@Skyifictionable It's way too simplistic to condense 1,000 years of history into 'it's all the Brits' fault. And it's also an insult to Ireland to forever portray them as passive victims to an agressive neighbour. The colonisation of Ireland was a gradual and complex process with many twists and turns. It was mirrored and very much part of similar like events all over Europe, holy schisms and fuedal land wars, and began way before 'the British' existed as any meaningful entity.
@jacksbacksucker The worst things to happen to Ireland in those 800-1000 years were mostly the fault of the British. Including the Great Famine, quote: "The Almighty, indeed, sent the potato blight, but the English created the Famine."
@Skyifictionable My point is Ireland is held back by an irrational hatred of the British, an even more irrational hatred of the English, considering Ireland was colonised by 75% Scots, under a Scottish King James I, and it is their ultra fire brand presbyterian brand of Chritianisty which considers Catholicism and the pope anti-christ incarnate, that has led to the extreme division in Ulster, not the mild brand of English anglicism, which deals with conflict with a jumble sale and tea morning!
@jacksbacksucker The reason SOME Irish have a strong dislike towards the English has little to do with the past, of course you'll see many Irish on here rant about the 800 years of oppression (myself included), the famine etc etc, but in reality the real reason why we dislike the British Establishment (not people) is the simple fact you are in Northern Ireland and as far as we are concerned that is occupied land.
@Skyifictionable I believe if proper history was taught, on both sides, ther'd be no hatred of the English in ireland or even the Scots and wider British. There would be an understanding that horrific as some events were they were not out of context with what was happening wider in Europe. For example ten times the amount of protestants were being butchered in Holland by the Spanish in the same period the Brit/Scottish Stuart colonisation of Ireland. Ditto on France the Huguenots.
@jacksbacksucker The reason there is not hate between the Dutch and Spanish is down to the fact the no part of the Netherlands is occupied by the Spanish, unlike a certain area of Ireland...
Anywho, I can understand where you are coming from, but it's not about religion with the Irish. The reason I think the NI government decided to discriminate against Catholics and not the Irish because they assumed all Irish were Catholics, which of course is not true.
@Skyifictionable Anyway, sorry to rant at you again. Seriously not intending to come over that way. I just feel the problem in Northern ireland is not the British state, not today anyway, its the one million people who consider themselves British and want to continue the union. The British state itself has pledged to respect the democratic will of the people, whatever it is, so the problem is bringing those people around to the idea of a united Ireland.
@jacksbacksucker Well aslong Sinn Fein will rule Northern Ireland will support an united Ireland. The big thing is that Sinn Fein gets bigger and bigger in Northern Ireland.
@jacksbacksucker religion is bulshit,although born irish catholic i need no middle man to allow me to make my peace with creator.rome was no friend to irish democracy / true republic as envisaged by pearce and connelly,we now have money grabbing TV evangilists /pedophile priests,rome always did brit gvts bidding,throughout history and even today they are rotten with corruption power and greed equal to worst excesses of brit aristos,and today the faceless enemy intnl bankers/multi billion$ corps
@despuis Couldn't agree more. Nobody knows whats in the great beyond till they die and get there, and anyone who claims otherwise is at best deluded, at worse a bullshitting b*stard who wants something from you! Imagine no heaven..it's easy if you try ;)
@Skyifictionable I'm not pro protestant or Catholic, or a nationalist or Loyalist. But the point is often in Ireland and outside the wider context of the conflict is not appreciated. Fir example Strongbow being invited into Ireland by the King of Leinster. This was not a 'British' invasion or English, he was a French Norman and it was part of medievel fuedel politics with his overlord Henry II and the King of France. Likewise the Tudor conquest of Ireland was more about France+Spain,_the pope.
@jacksbacksucker It has little to do with religion. With us Irish it has never been a case of what religion someone was, for example the Old IRA did not kill Protestants, they killed Unionists. (Albeit, practically all were Protestant, but there were Protestants fighting against the British forces) For us Irish it has ALWAYS been Nationalists VS Unionist or Republicans VS Loyalists etc; the same cannot be said for the Brits, it seems to be all about religion with them.
@Skyifictionable You say it's all about religion for the Brits. I can't agree there. If you mean the 'Brits' in Northern Ireland, maybe, the sectarian bigots in Glasgow, definately, but in England? no. Not today anyway, the anti-catholicism of the past is not really present there today. The colonisation of Ireland was certainly part of the wider religous wars that tore Europe apart 1550-1750.
@jacksbacksucker Yes, I mean Northern Ireland "Brits". The anticatholicism of the past is only a few decades ago and still very much in fresh memory to many. Just sayin'
Anywho, this was a slightly more interesting rant, tbh. If we want to solve the NI problem the British Govt. really has to do something, Sinn Fein and DUP are getting no where in solving "it". And both sides are very proud to be Irish and British respectively, I think the NIBrits should be eased into Union with the South somehow
@Skyifictionable Thanks for your input. The famine was a terrible thing, my ancestor died on the road works, starving with a shovel in his hand, his wife and kids were then evicted by their absantee landlord a colonel in the British army, and then crossed to Scotland, Having read lots of the original sources, attitudes in Britian were mixed, it tends to be forgotten that nearly as many here found refuge as America, and more money was raised here than anywhere else. There was plenty of concern.
@Skyifictionable That said yes a fair amount of the landlords saw it as a nuisance, or an opportnity to clear their land for grazing. In general there seems not to have been a great understanding at Westminster of the scale of the tragedy until it was over. But certainly they felt interrupting the free market was sacrilege and inviting worse disaster. It seems callous, but hell they were sending kids up chimneys and slavery had only ended a decade earlier. The past is a foreign land.
@Skyifictionable As for the north, ultimately the people protestants/catholic whatever are there to stay, they have to find a way foward together, a new way. I think the fact both Britian and the republic are signed up to respect the democratic will of the people is all they can realistically do. They can't force it. But I do think the Queens visit to Ireland was very much a signal to the loyalist community that their 'struggle' is over. A United Ireland will come at some point .
@jacksbacksucker And see we've been trying to find the "new way" for quite a while now, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere. The segregation in Northern Ireland is like something you might see in Africa; not Western Europe. It's quite ridiculous
Ah, see the Queen's visit to Ireland was quite hilarious to be honest. When Obama came the streets of Dublin were packed with people, when she visited they were void. I realise it was for her protection, but it didnt send the right signals to the North
@Skyifictionable Are you in the North Ronan? I visit Belfast quite often, my good friend practises law there, and I love the place. OK the segregation DOES still exist on the poor estates but it is not city wide, and nothing like it once was, at least the violence and killing of the past is now a very rare occurance. That is progress. This is why I say proper history needs to be taught, increase the understanding between the people, of their past, so the future can be less rocky.
@jacksbacksucker Yes, in the North. Yes, the segregation isn't so prevalent if you have wealth, sure. But sadly, Northern Ireland is quite poor compared to the rest of West Europe which I think is a factor in the segregation, all over NI (segregation is not just a Belfast phenomenon) there are "Protestant towns" and "Catholic towns" or estates within towns. Plus the fact that the children are segregated in schooling is also not helping. N.Ireland, socially hasn't reached the 21st century
@Skyifictionable In regards the Queen, I'm no monarchist either, but she honoured IRA fallen, and admitted the British had made mistakes. For a monarch to make political statements like that in this day and age is unheard of, believe me that was a clear signal aimed towatds the loyalists in the north that it's time to put the past to bed for good and move on.
@jacksbacksucker Yes, I agree, she did but sadly the image of her car moving through the streets of Dublin is firmly and truly embedded in my head and I'm sure others. It just did not give the right impressions her visit was supposed to make. i.e. Loyalist, the ROI is not "out to get you". Or however you want to put it.
They need to realise that that "Irish" can include them, the Ulster-Scots people, just like "British" includes English, Welsh etc.
@jacksbacksucker what happened to the democratic will of the people when that fucking border was created("i know" your gonna say"stop living in the past)notwithstanding i think you,ve hit the nail on the head
@despuis True Ireland went into the Union as a single entity in 1801, so it should have left as a whole. Of course, technically the whole of Ireland did go into the free state and the North opted back into the Union, but we both now that was politcal semantics, and was engineered and envisaged from the start. I have some sympathy with those in 1921, they were facing hard cicrumstances, but I do think partition was a temporary bandage, that in the long run has caused more problems than it solved
@jacksbacksucker fudamentally wrong to have created 6 county state out of a democratically elected gvt and country,then to allow or facillitate by force of arms total discrimination against native irish.if similar discrimination had ocurred in scot/wales there would have been an outcry,but the irish didnt matter.a temporary bandage that missed its mark and set a path for mayhem
@despuise I think ultimately had the 6 counties stayed in the free state, and eventually the republic, though there would undoubtedly had been a lot of violence anyway, armed resistance from the protestants in the north, common ground would eventually have been reached, it would have had to have been. Partition just ingrained the existing divisions even deeper, and put off the problem to another day...and a problem unsolved tends to fester. No arguement was a mistake, but we speak in hindsight
@jacksbacksucker no doubt there would have been fighting,but without btns backing the loyalists would have had to accept the democric process,also loyalists flooded into 6 countys they knew Carson would bluff an bully hiis way with no10. what i find unaceptable an unforgivable that after caving in to orange lodge,they were allowed to set up apa
fuvck uk of dicks
MrRK3568 6 days ago
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Paul, I wish you had died of lung cancer like George Harrison.
Was Linda in PAIN when the cancer killed her?
MrRobertJameson 1 week ago
@MrRobertJameson hope you die of cancer ya cunt.
greenmustard1966 1 week ago
@MrRobertJameson just stop commenting...
VictorGouvieux 1 week ago
I sick of fighting JUST DANCE :DDDDDDDDDDDDD
marcoma103 1 week ago
Let's put the lyrics and meaning to one-side - this is a shite song. McCartney has a lot to thank John Lennon for.
dogs1905 1 week ago
I'm 14 year old boy from Finland and I love Ireland and Irish, my only reason is that I've visited Ireland, and that's not even a reason, I just do love Irish. And I believe that someday occupied northern ireland'll be free!
sahiblindberg 2 weeks ago
@sahiblindberg Your very ignorant, and clearly have NO IDEA about the situation in Northern Ireland, my North Irish people consider themselves British and would die fighting for that.
Jarhead8741 1 week ago
@Jarhead8741 ok,sorry
sahiblindberg 1 week ago
@Jarhead8741 they don't die, they wear bowler hats..they get 18 year olds from Yorkshire to die for them..
MrJimmybobby 1 week ago
@Jarhead8741 Most of your people have no idea of what happens outside of their community then, dirty Hun
YADempsey97 1 week ago
@YADempsey97 My people? Im Australian????
Jarhead8741 1 week ago
@Jarhead8741 Sorry I thought you were an Ulster Unionist
YADempsey97 1 week ago
@sahiblindberg So glad the Soviets destroyed you!
MrRobertJameson 1 week ago
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Avioz1 2 weeks ago
We should give them back their home, my Irish family in the north are loyalists, but me here in England, I support the nationalists! I love Britain and Ireland and would love to see the 4 nations side by side, but Englands just a huge melting pot and there's very few people who are patriotic here, and the government is corrupt..
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@95jjs @95jjs agreed....we are all brothers....but i feel we should be independent brothers standing on our own two feet..........joke is loyalists share same blood with celtic types far back in history
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Avioz1 2 weeks ago
they never be able to put us down boys
declanjahern 2 weeks ago
When he recorded this no radio station were allowed to play it
firbolg1963 3 weeks ago
@firbolg1963 Here in the 'States, it got up to #21 on Billboard's Hot 100 pop-singles chart. McCartney's follow up was "Mary Had A Little Lamb" which was about the only time a song made up completely of a nursery rhyme made the top-40 singles chart here in the US.
If someone was to ask me, I'd say that independence from both London and Dublin is probably the best solution for the region.
thespeez 5 days ago
If only it was that simple...when I lived in Belfast, the conflict with all the new young splinter groups seem to be more like gang violence with an income fueled by drugs...any1 else try selling drugs outside the groups got their knee caps...capped...honest business burn to the ground for not paying 'protection'...And hatred taught to the young.
imagodtoya 3 weeks ago
@imagodtoya ofc i take it your refering 2the loyalit/ protestant people ? ofc they are stil drug dealing ... and even still killing their own people ? weird .....
TheGlenmanusskinhead 2 weeks ago in playlist the troubles
Thanks for sharing and caring, much luv Ireland!
Sherayx 3 weeks ago
Im English but my entire family is Irish, I am proud of my Irish roots. I believe in a united Ireland, Im looked down upon for it because Im seen as a man who supports terrorism? Is that right?
I support republicanism. I don't support the splinter groups like the RIRA because violence will never result in a united Ireland that was proven and people died for no reason in the end. I disagree with the monarchy because they are useless figureheads used to attract the yanks for a holiday.
cafc543 3 weeks ago
@cafc543
So, how are you English if your entire family is Irish?
theporksicle 1 week ago
@fleshandblood95 he had irish grandparents :P
SuperEmcg 4 weeks ago
I'm Irish , Im Irish through and through but i see no point in holding a grudge that began 700 years ago and ended 100 years ago, people in the North have recently began a peace process and it has improved but at this stage i think it's time for the republicans to stop demanding a united Ireland , The North is the North with new generations being born there, I feel the are not "Irish" nor "British" they are Ulster men and women and thats how they should be known
SuperEmcg 4 weeks ago
@SuperEmcg you talk a load of absolute bolox.try telling the loyalists they are not british>good luck<im an ulsterman(monaghan) and republican.i have no religion, them with collars on are twisted self serving morally bankrupt lazy bastards.only intellegent way to a united country is to consign all violence and religion to the past.democratic and fare regional local gvt.abandon the fat cats at home or overseas+ lose europe and britain. start afresh and build one real democratic nation
despuis 4 weeks ago
@despuis ok im not even gonna argue xD you have your opinion i have mine :)
SuperEmcg 3 weeks ago
@SuperEmcg good man
leedrummer100 3 weeks ago
Im English and proud. I love Ireland Scotland Wales and Ulster. I dont support the queen , I dont support the British government. The British government is anti English, anti British and anti Irish. The English and Irish people have common ancestors and both have been kept down by the British people over the years. As a working class Englishman I have more in common with a working class Irishman than some upperclass British toff at in parliment. Britain and Ireland should be seperate but allies
Focuskoi1 1 month ago
@Focuskoi1 very well said,good to see some intellegence and common sense on this site.4 ind republics is the logical approach,dump the leeches i.e aristocrats/churches,no one needs middle man to be right with creator(thats if he believes) Irl= 5 million people,Eng=50 million people,where is the commom sense in that,of course the gentry have their 5000 acre estates and lavish homes,there are bigger issues now than an age old fight forced upon us both english and irish working people
despuis 1 month ago
The English have given W B Yeats, Oscar Wilde, G B Shaw, James Joyce & Samuel Beckett to the Irish.
karezza6 1 month ago
Yes- give back all Ireland to the Irish!
skyjack1ifly 1 month ago
scouse traitor. I have scotish ancestry but I am English, and think Scotland is a dump, and have a shit football team he he he he. England forever
thewelly1973 1 month ago
@thewelly1973 You are a traitor to your Scottish ancestors ya stupid bastard
swaaahtome 1 month ago
@swaaahtome no Im english. They were probably decended from vikings or the french so you have to draw the line somewhere. So im english and proud. Id invade scotland tomorrow and nick all the oil then use ireland as a prison for all the horrid theiving murdering scum in this country.
thewelly1973 1 month ago
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despuis 1 month ago
@despuis you wish ducky fluff bags
thewelly1973 1 month ago
Fuck the UK, Fuck the French/German EU. One free united ireland forever.
CaesarAugustus1987 1 month ago
McCartney, like Harrsion and Lennon were three lads of immigrant Irish stock. Where would the British be without immigrants adding to their culture? From the Frenchman Brunel, to the Irish Beatles, immigrants have contributed so much to the UK. Jews, Greeks, Germans, Indians, so many good people adding to British culture in positive ways. The Beatles are part of this rich narrative.
Well done Macca for speaking up on behalf of your forefathers.
mark57153 1 month ago
you have to remember northies the south is an economic i know im a dubliner but thats the government fault not the republics and most people want a united ireland regardless of religion etc 1 ireland. but there needs to b coup or somethin. irish government so fucking corrupt
reilly87irl 1 month ago
I cn't understand the people in the south.. they're not interested at all. its taboo to even say this in the South! Thanks Paul Mc, just wish there wasn't so much apathy down here!
deirdrekeohane 1 month ago
@deirdrekeohane You are wrong- they want Ireland united.
skyjack1ifly 1 month ago
the fucking damage is done in northern ireland. should NEVER have been partitioned. now southern ireland is a mess and in hock to europe and the imf. so i suppose NOW we'll get a united ireland. typical. too little too late
jaddajn1 1 month ago
Where can I purchase this song? I can't find it on iTunes....
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What language do they speak in Eire?
karezza6 1 month ago
irish all the way ! by the irish soilders wouldnt stop it was the british soilders
JOHNSderry 1 month ago
I love sir Paul McCartney, I love Ireland !
Mamunia011 1 month ago
if hitler won the second world war, many europeans would be terrorists. the brits still occupy northern ireland, helping the prots discriminating the catholics, who are also the natives, how strange that they are named terrorists.
dennissaiorse 1 month ago
no top comments this is my chance "hi"
ryanmaxwell2012 1 month ago
This just goes to show that not all of us want Ireland to be divided. Thanks for speaking out for me Paul!!!
Thumbs up if you're either Irish, British of Irish descent, or you're just not an imperialist.
MattRuaneBlog 1 month ago
no way to get the north back on your ass fight for it hang in thare men
Ricky9938 1 month ago in playlist Irish Rebel Songs
Love it! One of my favorite McCartney songs
Mikesdailyjukebox 1 month ago
Tiocfaidh ar la
Oglaigh na hEireann
Erin go Bragh
seanpaul246810 1 month ago
Some Irish want to be British though.
Just saying.
DejectedPanda 1 month ago
@DejectedPanda yeah some unionists in n.i mostly
gratzy2 1 month ago
@DejectedPanda Not some Irish, Only the Plantations of Scotlands and Englands Protestant Loyalist..... whom where Planted to create a divide!
The same way you will see hot spots in England of ethnic, racial and social economical divide and the same much across the westren world.... Its just how they roll..... Divide and control!
cfayzo 1 month ago
@cfayzo I didn't mean to come off as disagreeing with the song. Just making the point that its complicated.
DejectedPanda 1 month ago
Never liked him until now. First time I have head this lovely little song. lol
patdoc67 1 month ago
Lonh live the IRA Give Ireland back to the irish
crazipc08 1 month ago
@crazipc08 Sorry to say this but the IRA are a bunch of terrorists, iam all for a united ireland but not terrorism
MetalicConnor 1 month ago
@MetalicConnor mate theres is no IRA only group of IRA uou have the PIRA RIRA CIRA OIRA and it goes on
warman1701 1 month ago
@warman1701 I have to give you that.
MetalicConnor 1 month ago
Great song, great singer, great cause!!! Of course Ireland should be for the Irish!!! I am from a Scottish family and live in Scotland but I have a great deal of Irish blood and I love both countries. Le beannachdan (With blessings), Ruiseart.
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despuis 2 months ago
@despuis Despuis I don't imagine the British Military did not commit attrocities in ireland, I can think of a few examples of the top of my head, that I at least consider war crimes. Differences is they are well documented and provable. Black and Tans especially. But he stated it was proven and documented that the British Armey raped and then bayoneted pregenant women cutting their babies out. I have never seen evidence of that anywhere, and I don't for a second believe it.
jacksbacksucker 2 months ago
@jacksbacksucker well fuck u u brit i see u dont give a damn about anything you just support the Royal Army
crazipc08 2 months ago
@crazipc08 Ha ha you couldn't be more wrong my friend. I'm a republican, and a pacifist. I therefore couldn't think of two institutions I support less than The Royal or The Military. I don't think anyone has ever got me more wrong but you made me chuckle. Thanks for that.
jacksbacksucker 2 months ago
@jacksbacksucker jack in relation to your many detailed explanations on why Lennon did>luck o the irish/bloody sunday< i can give you a direct quote from him........if its a choice between the BA and theIRA il,take the lra
despuis 2 months ago
@despuis But if it's a choice between violence and non-violence, I'm with non-violence...that was the next bit. That's why he stopped supporting the I.R.A when they went down that route so heavily from '74. So many terrible things have happened in Ireland, who has got clean hands. It's good the peace has lastest this long, lets hope it carries on. Off to Belfast this weekend, not been there for three years, will be interesting to see how it's changed, if it has.
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FreeGael 1 month ago
@jacksbacksucker bolox to you jack,i cant seem to win with you.i am relieved an glad of the peace now,but i bet if you had seen your people discriminated against routinly attacked and murdered for simply asking for equal rights in their own country,you would not have felt too peacefull.the fact that lennon did these songs at all an the lyrics speaks volumes.stay quiet in belfast everything is just below the surface
despuis 1 month ago
@despuis haha fair play to you despuis. I can be a smart ass. I do understand why people take up arms. But your either a pacifist or not, John seems to never have made his mind up fully on that. Daniel O'Connel is a man I respect, he stood up for his people and their rights, but dedicated to peace all the same, I read a great quote of his once about not a single life lost in cause of nationalism being worth it, but forget the exact details unfortunately.
jacksbacksucker 1 month ago
@despuis And yeah been to Belfast a few times, and never talk politics, it an unspoekn rule for everyone there I find. The place was still booming last time I went there, the economy has nose dived a fair bit since, so it will be interesting to see if that has changed things much. People tend to be more happy and content with money in the pocket.
jacksbacksucker 1 month ago
@TheWicklowjoe "british soldiers have raped pregnant women and then bayoneted them to death(its well documented)" Really??? I'm not saying you're wrong Wicklow Joe.. When did this happen? which documents and where? .
jacksbacksucker 2 months ago
give it back....wish we could, im sick of paying my tax'es to keep the workshy irish of the north. im all for a united ireland, then we can send all the irish pikeys back home,
scrapman999 2 months ago
@scrapman999 thing is,Pikeys /workshy go wherever they want in united europe
TheWicklowjoe 2 months ago
@scrapman999 who do ya think ya are to insult my heritage WORKSHY I mean that was bad enough THAT one set me off my dad is almost as Irish as they come and he works 5 1/2 days a week ALL DAY a day an' a half shy of a full blown seven days and my Grandmother worked her hands to the bones to make ends meet if she didn't have her heart problem she'd most likely be workin so don't ya dare insult my heritage again oh n remember how in the civil war the confederates and union wanted Irish fighters
MRRYON0626 2 months ago
@MRRYON0626 did I really say full blown 7 days huh odd for me
MRRYON0626 2 months ago
@MRRYON0626 you sir are as thick as a roosters spud.
scrapman999 2 months ago
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FreeGael 2 months ago
@FreeGael a brand of the finest potatoes. pal.
scrapman999 2 months ago
@scrapman999 well how about you select a nice big one and put it where the sun dont shine
FreeGael 2 months ago
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@scrapman999 go back to watching wrestling you queer inbred hick
Stevenbfg 1 month ago
This song, besides having a good and very relevant message, is sung by a Scouser from Liverpool who considers himself to be Liverpool Irish for all intensive purposes. "Mum was a Catholic, Dad was a Protestant."
Chicagokrzy 2 months ago
Problem is Sir Paul it wasn't yours to take in the first place.
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U2 wrote "Miami"
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thebearpeople 2 months ago
@thebearpeople very true
bustertypsy 2 months ago
@thebearpeople you are fullof shit
TheWicklowjoe 2 months ago
Free the 6 counties
mattmcnerlin 2 months ago
if ireland wasnt part of great britian and northern ireland the Union Jack wouldnt have St Patricks cross in it and it never be the same i love the irish being part of the uk with out it we would be nothing long live the united kingdom of Great Gritian and northern Ireland !!!!!!!!!!!
easy77146 2 months ago
@easy77146 bu we do not want to be part of GB ,nor do wewant your financial bailouts,just repay the billions you owe for centuries of plunder/slavery and murder,then leave and take your people with you
TheWicklowjoe 2 months ago
@TheWicklowjoe 100% right
FreeGael 2 months ago
@TheWicklowjoe problem is brit selective vision in looking at their history,yes we should keep brit loan as down payment on reparations take them to world court for the rest of the 100s of billions they plundered out of Ireland,bring back the punt/get out of euro.NEWSFLASH/Pope financed William of Orange invasion of Ireland,we need to drop Rome,we are Irish Catholics not Romans, have option for married clergy,True Celtic more egalitarian christianity.Rome is ally of UK and friend of pedophiles
FreeGael 2 months ago
@FreeGael absolutley agree 10 thumbs up
despuis 2 months ago
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thebearpeople 2 months ago
@thebearpeople Agree. If we kicked out nationalist bigotry, religious hypocracy, and capitalist speculation and exploitation from both Britain and Ireland thousand year old problem solved in a day.
jacksbacksucker 2 months ago
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thebearpeople 2 months ago
@thebearpeople sadly thats precisely the point, you can keep this up all day.have you considered trying something constructive to help yourself and the country recover.oops sorry i forgot your part of the entitled generation(so lucky 1st one in irish history)you are only entitled to what you make happen yourself.,stop looking for someone to blame and get on with it,the irish have a reputation around the world as the hardest working people on the planet,so give it a try
despuis 2 months ago
@despuis i think giving nearly half of my hard earned wages to the government and some bank that i have nothing to do with every 2 weeks could be considered helping the country.
"the irish have a reputation around the world as the hardest working people on the planet,so give it a try"
that's actually not true. neither are the myths that :
a)we are "celts".
b) we have the best education in europe
c)everyone loves the irish.
d)we were a peaceful nation before the "evil sassanach" etc
thebearpeople 2 months ago
@thebearpeople my apologies for assuming you were not pulling your weight,got to be frustrating having to pay up for the gross mismanagement/corruption of a few.I(born in monaghan)have lived/worked in EnglandAussieCanada i know the Irish ar highly respected an valued as hard workers,i have many friends/family members whom have become quite prosperous through hard work and with no formal education whatsoever.ABCD are mostly true though there is some myth involved JBS could most likely educate us
despuis 2 months ago
@easy77146 this is the worst excuse i have ever heard!
bigmassivebrid 2 months ago
Simple...follow his song...since the 15th century the irish have used guns to make their freedom.....Now the english can't own a gun to protect themselves from the own gov.
bweber2k 2 months ago
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the majority of those in Northern Ireland favor the status quo not full independance
oriolesfan61 2 months ago
I hope Britain knows that the PIRA military campaign was not aimed at killing English or N. Irish civilians. These deaths were a result of Britain's stubborn government refusing to "negotiate w/ terrorists", although they would've been negotiating w/ the Irish people, so the freedom fighters were forced to target the military in the Troubles to show Britain that we weren't f'in around...your military did horrific things in Éire. The IRA had to use terror...even though the 1900s IRB/IRA didn't...
slapshot37GNR 2 months ago
@slapshot37GNR very well put,i could not have explained it better myself
despuis 2 months ago
@despuis Thanks mate ;)
slapshot37GNR 2 months ago
@slapshot37GNR truth is they really do not want to face the reality of their own culpability/responsibility for all the deaths that have taken place in our country for the last century
FreeGael 2 months ago
@FreeGael How about this: The Irish will apologize to the U.K for all of their losses when they officially apologize for what they did to Ireland.
slapshot37GNR 2 months ago
GIVE IRELAND BACK....from a british lad
x123Scandalx 2 months ago
look Ireland is Ireland ok fuck the British and let Scotland and Wales be free as well
TONYSPURSMAN 2 months ago
@TONYSPURSMAN aye...cornwall never truly lost its devolved stannary parliament.....its just vetoed in parliament lol...i can get links
3tangle3 2 months ago
But aren't the reasons for division now quite an anachronism? What is the reason that N.Ireland is not one with the Republic? I had always been told as an American that it was religious division, but isn't that all so defunct in a secular age? Please enlighten me dear Irish folks.
jeff62rey 2 months ago
@jeff62rey get a good history book, ulster was settled by people loyal to the london monarchy and state in the 16th and 17th century....they displaced the original gaelic people....its an immigrant community cum colony...like the dutch settling south africa
3tangle3 2 months ago
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Most people in Ireland do not currently support a united independent Ireland.
luminaus 2 months ago
@luminaus Totally untrue.
brandonlovesmonkeys 2 months ago
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1vnman 2 months ago
Thumbs up if your dad brainwhashed this song unto you. I LOVE THIS SONG
Gman0154 2 months ago
Great song
paolo38021 2 months ago
Funny how even a brit thinks the British have no right in Ireland!!
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FREE THE TRUTH
Swiftyireland 3 months ago
@conectmaster Northern Ireland is not also known as Scotland. They are two entirely seperate countries (with England and Wales part of the United Kingdom) The majority of people in Northern Ireland are however decended, largely, from Scottish farmers planted there by King James Stuart in the 17th century.
jacksbacksucker 3 months ago
Give Panama back to the Colombians!
calicolombiano27 3 months ago
give cyprus back to the greeks
MyDreamside 3 months ago
F'ck the British government, not the people, who oppressed Éire for 800yrs. If the United Kingdom thinks that they can continue to cover their actions up under the metaphorical blanket of safety that hides British cruelty demonstrated in the past, they will suffer. Go ahead, call the IRA terrorists. They have no time to argue with it. They know "terrorism" refers to guerilla tactics, used by almost every country...the Irish cannot fight a conventional war. It's their homeland. Tiocfaidh ár lá...
slapshot37GNR 3 months ago
@slapshot37GNR Abit of a strange comment considering your fave book is by andy mcnab (A ex SAS soldier who served the British army in Northern Ireland.)
Abit hypocritical of you.
WorkOrRiot 3 months ago
@WorkOrRiot A bit strange that in this world, humans can't realize that there are two sides to a soldier. I do not support McNab's actions, or any of the corrupt SAS 'cause they release information on ex-IRA members to Protestant/Loyalist Paramilitaries, because he shot an unarmed eighteen-year-old and was rewarded with a medal, but wht else should u expect from the Brits? Anyways, I respect him for what he did outside of N. Ireland. I'm not a stubborn wanker like you. It's waste of time arguin'
slapshot37GNR 3 months ago
@WorkOrRiot Anyways, the campaign is not against the British military, it's against the government, the cowards who "refuse to negotiate with 'terrorists'" and send in troops to fight an unstoppable force, hell-bent on freedom. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The British classified the IRA as freedom fighters, and an organized force, until they sought talks. Why? You aren't that dumb, you should figure it out...most of Britain wants a free Ireland, why would u want peace?
slapshot37GNR 3 months ago
@slapshot37GNR What is freedom? The British have never stopped the people of northern Ireland doing things they want, we even let some of them march down the streets with IRA flags. Infact the British kept Northern Ireland in top form whilst the rest of Ireland went bust (we also bailed out the ROI by lending them billions)
The Irish used to take Celtic Britons as slaves (st patrick being one of them) so no ones completely innocent.
WorkOrRiot 3 months ago
@WorkOrRiot Lol, the British have never stopped the people of northern Ireland doing things they want? Lol, you Brits have no idea.
N. Ireland in top form? LOL! It's a shithole. I should know, I live there. The ROI is 10times more modern than NI.
The Brits lent the ROI £7billion, that's a tiny portion of the overall bailout. And you did it to help yourselves in the process of helping us.
Celtic Britons are ancient history, the British were killing innocent Irish 20> years ago. Take Bloody Sunday
Skyifictionable 3 months ago
@Skyifictionable Lets forget about the thousands of celtic britons who suffered and died and dismiss them as ancient history, lets moan about 13 people who died because they was trying to stir up trouble on the streets of Northern Ireland instead... I will give you credit though, the tosh you come out with is plastic-paddy esque and you are a real Irishman so kudos to you. Maybe the suffering the Irish have gone through is Karma for there 'ancient history'?
WorkOrRiot 3 months ago
@WorkOrRiot Did you know any of those Celtic Britons personally? No. They ARE ancient history.
On the other hand, the families of the innocent Irishmen killed by British Army are still alive today.
You're wording is totally inappropriate, the 14 BOYS and men who died were not "stirring up trouble". They were protesting against the discrimination of Catholics, would you live in a society were you weren't allowed a job because of your religion? One, were the Police force doesn't protect you?
Skyifictionable 3 months ago
@Skyifictionable Bloody Sunday was more like 40 years ago now. Sadly 20 years ago, plenty of innocent people were being killed on both sides. If you look on the CAIN website, this week 20 yrs ago 5 people died, 4 Protetstant killed by the IRA, one Catholic, allegedly by the RUC. 1991 was also the year 36 year old British photographer with a 16 month old baby at home was killed by shrapnel to the heart when the IRA bombed Victoria station London. We have, thank god, come along way since then.
jacksbacksucker 3 months ago
@jacksbacksucker I said "20> years" which means "20 or/and more years".
Let's face it, if the British hadn't tried to control the Irish people and their ways from the beginning we wouldn't have had these conflicts. ^_^
Skyifictionable 3 months ago
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jacksbacksucker 3 months ago
@Skyifictionable It's way too simplistic to condense 1,000 years of history into 'it's all the Brits' fault. And it's also an insult to Ireland to forever portray them as passive victims to an agressive neighbour. The colonisation of Ireland was a gradual and complex process with many twists and turns. It was mirrored and very much part of similar like events all over Europe, holy schisms and fuedal land wars, and began way before 'the British' existed as any meaningful entity.
jacksbacksucker 3 months ago
@jacksbacksucker The worst things to happen to Ireland in those 800-1000 years were mostly the fault of the British. Including the Great Famine, quote: "The Almighty, indeed, sent the potato blight, but the English created the Famine."
What's your point about the colonisation?
Skyifictionable 3 months ago
@Skyifictionable My point is Ireland is held back by an irrational hatred of the British, an even more irrational hatred of the English, considering Ireland was colonised by 75% Scots, under a Scottish King James I, and it is their ultra fire brand presbyterian brand of Chritianisty which considers Catholicism and the pope anti-christ incarnate, that has led to the extreme division in Ulster, not the mild brand of English anglicism, which deals with conflict with a jumble sale and tea morning!
jacksbacksucker 3 months ago
@jacksbacksucker The reason SOME Irish have a strong dislike towards the English has little to do with the past, of course you'll see many Irish on here rant about the 800 years of oppression (myself included), the famine etc etc, but in reality the real reason why we dislike the British Establishment (not people) is the simple fact you are in Northern Ireland and as far as we are concerned that is occupied land.
Skyifictionable 3 months ago
@Skyifictionable correct
despuis 3 months ago
@Skyifictionable I believe if proper history was taught, on both sides, ther'd be no hatred of the English in ireland or even the Scots and wider British. There would be an understanding that horrific as some events were they were not out of context with what was happening wider in Europe. For example ten times the amount of protestants were being butchered in Holland by the Spanish in the same period the Brit/Scottish Stuart colonisation of Ireland. Ditto on France the Huguenots.
jacksbacksucker 3 months ago
@jacksbacksucker The reason there is not hate between the Dutch and Spanish is down to the fact the no part of the Netherlands is occupied by the Spanish, unlike a certain area of Ireland...
Anywho, I can understand where you are coming from, but it's not about religion with the Irish. The reason I think the NI government decided to discriminate against Catholics and not the Irish because they assumed all Irish were Catholics, which of course is not true.
Skyifictionable 3 months ago
@Skyifictionable Anyway, sorry to rant at you again. Seriously not intending to come over that way. I just feel the problem in Northern ireland is not the British state, not today anyway, its the one million people who consider themselves British and want to continue the union. The British state itself has pledged to respect the democratic will of the people, whatever it is, so the problem is bringing those people around to the idea of a united Ireland.
jacksbacksucker 3 months ago
@jacksbacksucker Well aslong Sinn Fein will rule Northern Ireland will support an united Ireland. The big thing is that Sinn Fein gets bigger and bigger in Northern Ireland.
habbomanish 3 months ago
@jacksbacksucker religion is bulshit,although born irish catholic i need no middle man to allow me to make my peace with creator.rome was no friend to irish democracy / true republic as envisaged by pearce and connelly,we now have money grabbing TV evangilists /pedophile priests,rome always did brit gvts bidding,throughout history and even today they are rotten with corruption power and greed equal to worst excesses of brit aristos,and today the faceless enemy intnl bankers/multi billion$ corps
despuis 2 months ago
@despuis Couldn't agree more. Nobody knows whats in the great beyond till they die and get there, and anyone who claims otherwise is at best deluded, at worse a bullshitting b*stard who wants something from you! Imagine no heaven..it's easy if you try ;)
jacksbacksucker 2 months ago
@Skyifictionable I'm not pro protestant or Catholic, or a nationalist or Loyalist. But the point is often in Ireland and outside the wider context of the conflict is not appreciated. Fir example Strongbow being invited into Ireland by the King of Leinster. This was not a 'British' invasion or English, he was a French Norman and it was part of medievel fuedel politics with his overlord Henry II and the King of France. Likewise the Tudor conquest of Ireland was more about France+Spain,_the pope.
jacksbacksucker 3 months ago
@jacksbacksucker It has little to do with religion. With us Irish it has never been a case of what religion someone was, for example the Old IRA did not kill Protestants, they killed Unionists. (Albeit, practically all were Protestant, but there were Protestants fighting against the British forces) For us Irish it has ALWAYS been Nationalists VS Unionist or Republicans VS Loyalists etc; the same cannot be said for the Brits, it seems to be all about religion with them.
Skyifictionable 3 months ago
@Skyifictionable You say it's all about religion for the Brits. I can't agree there. If you mean the 'Brits' in Northern Ireland, maybe, the sectarian bigots in Glasgow, definately, but in England? no. Not today anyway, the anti-catholicism of the past is not really present there today. The colonisation of Ireland was certainly part of the wider religous wars that tore Europe apart 1550-1750.
jacksbacksucker 3 months ago
@jacksbacksucker Yes, I mean Northern Ireland "Brits". The anticatholicism of the past is only a few decades ago and still very much in fresh memory to many. Just sayin'
Anywho, this was a slightly more interesting rant, tbh. If we want to solve the NI problem the British Govt. really has to do something, Sinn Fein and DUP are getting no where in solving "it". And both sides are very proud to be Irish and British respectively, I think the NIBrits should be eased into Union with the South somehow
Skyifictionable 3 months ago
@Skyifictionable Thanks for your input. The famine was a terrible thing, my ancestor died on the road works, starving with a shovel in his hand, his wife and kids were then evicted by their absantee landlord a colonel in the British army, and then crossed to Scotland, Having read lots of the original sources, attitudes in Britian were mixed, it tends to be forgotten that nearly as many here found refuge as America, and more money was raised here than anywhere else. There was plenty of concern.
jacksbacksucker 3 months ago
@Skyifictionable That said yes a fair amount of the landlords saw it as a nuisance, or an opportnity to clear their land for grazing. In general there seems not to have been a great understanding at Westminster of the scale of the tragedy until it was over. But certainly they felt interrupting the free market was sacrilege and inviting worse disaster. It seems callous, but hell they were sending kids up chimneys and slavery had only ended a decade earlier. The past is a foreign land.
jacksbacksucker 3 months ago
@Skyifictionable As for the north, ultimately the people protestants/catholic whatever are there to stay, they have to find a way foward together, a new way. I think the fact both Britian and the republic are signed up to respect the democratic will of the people is all they can realistically do. They can't force it. But I do think the Queens visit to Ireland was very much a signal to the loyalist community that their 'struggle' is over. A United Ireland will come at some point .
jacksbacksucker 3 months ago
@jacksbacksucker And see we've been trying to find the "new way" for quite a while now, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere. The segregation in Northern Ireland is like something you might see in Africa; not Western Europe. It's quite ridiculous
Ah, see the Queen's visit to Ireland was quite hilarious to be honest. When Obama came the streets of Dublin were packed with people, when she visited they were void. I realise it was for her protection, but it didnt send the right signals to the North
Skyifictionable 3 months ago
@Skyifictionable oh soo tru ;)
TheGlenmanusskinhead 2 months ago in playlist the troubles
@Skyifictionable Are you in the North Ronan? I visit Belfast quite often, my good friend practises law there, and I love the place. OK the segregation DOES still exist on the poor estates but it is not city wide, and nothing like it once was, at least the violence and killing of the past is now a very rare occurance. That is progress. This is why I say proper history needs to be taught, increase the understanding between the people, of their past, so the future can be less rocky.
jacksbacksucker 2 months ago
@jacksbacksucker Yes, in the North. Yes, the segregation isn't so prevalent if you have wealth, sure. But sadly, Northern Ireland is quite poor compared to the rest of West Europe which I think is a factor in the segregation, all over NI (segregation is not just a Belfast phenomenon) there are "Protestant towns" and "Catholic towns" or estates within towns. Plus the fact that the children are segregated in schooling is also not helping. N.Ireland, socially hasn't reached the 21st century
Skyifictionable 2 months ago
@Skyifictionable In regards the Queen, I'm no monarchist either, but she honoured IRA fallen, and admitted the British had made mistakes. For a monarch to make political statements like that in this day and age is unheard of, believe me that was a clear signal aimed towatds the loyalists in the north that it's time to put the past to bed for good and move on.
jacksbacksucker 2 months ago
@jacksbacksucker Yes, I agree, she did but sadly the image of her car moving through the streets of Dublin is firmly and truly embedded in my head and I'm sure others. It just did not give the right impressions her visit was supposed to make. i.e. Loyalist, the ROI is not "out to get you". Or however you want to put it.
They need to realise that that "Irish" can include them, the Ulster-Scots people, just like "British" includes English, Welsh etc.
Skyifictionable 2 months ago
@jacksbacksucker what happened to the democratic will of the people when that fucking border was created("i know" your gonna say"stop living in the past)notwithstanding i think you,ve hit the nail on the head
despuis 2 months ago
@despuis ulster was the strongest gaelic area consisting of semi nomadic gael tribes pre 1500
3tangle3 2 months ago
@despuis True Ireland went into the Union as a single entity in 1801, so it should have left as a whole. Of course, technically the whole of Ireland did go into the free state and the North opted back into the Union, but we both now that was politcal semantics, and was engineered and envisaged from the start. I have some sympathy with those in 1921, they were facing hard cicrumstances, but I do think partition was a temporary bandage, that in the long run has caused more problems than it solved
jacksbacksucker 2 months ago
@jacksbacksucker fudamentally wrong to have created 6 county state out of a democratically elected gvt and country,then to allow or facillitate by force of arms total discrimination against native irish.if similar discrimination had ocurred in scot/wales there would have been an outcry,but the irish didnt matter.a temporary bandage that missed its mark and set a path for mayhem
despuis 2 months ago
@despuise I think ultimately had the 6 counties stayed in the free state, and eventually the republic, though there would undoubtedly had been a lot of violence anyway, armed resistance from the protestants in the north, common ground would eventually have been reached, it would have had to have been. Partition just ingrained the existing divisions even deeper, and put off the problem to another day...and a problem unsolved tends to fester. No arguement was a mistake, but we speak in hindsight
jacksbacksucker 2 months ago
@jacksbacksucker no doubt there would have been fighting,but without btns backing the loyalists would have had to accept the democric process,also loyalists flooded into 6 countys they knew Carson would bluff an bully hiis way with no10. what i find unaceptable an unforgivable that after caving in to orange lodge,they were allowed to set up apa