People are starting to wake up, I am feeling Him coming! All most here! I have been fight for the message a really long time! Christianity today is about self serving One self, teach people the gospel of comfort! Rather, The Gospel Of True! 2 Thessalonians 2:11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. Repent the Kingdom is Coming, even now on it's way
@vsp2444 It's good that self-seeking believers are starting to wake up. If they haven't already heeded the Holy Spirit's calling, coming trials and tribulations will certainly shake the sleep out of the eyes. The chaff will be divided from the wheat. They will either repent and turn to the Lord or be offended and depart from Him.
@arovir What esle is there to say? Truth is truth! I love to see other's out there reading and teaching with clearness of sight, it's powerful! I was wondering if you would do a video on the sabbath day! The 10 commandents vs. 613 Mosaic Laws/Aronic Laws of the priesthood (365 negative and 248 positive) directed how the Hebrews were to live for the purpose of pleasing God and enjoying His favor. American Christian are ignorant up the different of what was Jewish Law vs the Ten.
As for making videos there are many important topics that need to addressed - among them the issues you mention - yet for my part I sense I should continue to concentrate on end-time themes, at least at the present time.
Nice brother. I have another. 2 Thess 2:7 is used to support pre trib, right. However Its very bad translated. Check this w w w(doth)pbministries(doth)org/Eschatology/cometh/cometh_06.htm
I am so encouraged by your video. And so happy to see that the majority of comments were in agreement with you (and God's Word!). I am surrounded by a sea of pre tribbers - I have one friend who I am able to discuss prophecy with. Now I have met some others!!! I hope to watch more of your videos... Love your accent :)
@abterilli I too know what it's like to be surrounded by a sea of pre-tribbers with hardly anyone viewing the end-time in the way an increasing number of believers are discovering from God's Word.
the first post tribber was Jesus Christ himself. VERY VERY WELL PUT!! I hadn't quite looked at it that way, but of course it is absolutely correct, however a pre trib convert (shew wa post tribfor years) tells me that the gathering by the angels from the four corners is a different event to the being transformed in a twinkling of an eye as one takes time the other is instantaneous. I of course disagree, but do you have any comment on this?
@Strefanasha Thank you for your comment. :) In 1 Cor 15 it says the twinkling of an eye is how long it takes to change the bodies of the believers still alive when Jesus returns. This will enable them to be gathered by the angels along with the resurrected dead saints, and rise from all over the globe to meet Christ as He descends. This might take some time. So there are no discrepancies. The bottom line is: There is only one gathering and Jesus said in Matt 24 / Mark 13 that it's post trib.
In Paul's 1st letter to the Thessalonians, he addresses them confidently concerning their "election of God" (1:4).
It's a worrisome idea to me that some would not want to be part of the elect at the Lord's coming in favor of a secret rapture 3 1/2 or 7 years earlier.
Several years ago I was reading the scriptures and had my eyes opened, I knew nothing about a post trib, but all my life had believed in a pre-trib rapture, I thank God for the revelation of Jesus Christ; I also noticed that he taught with emphasis on the resurrection and the end of the age. I encourage everyone to listen to the teachings of Jesus very carefully, you will find that it is starkly different from the teachings of men.
@lkevins1 - Praise God! I had a somewhat similar experience many years ago. I also knew nothing about post trib, having believed in a pre-trib rapture since my youth. I had even compiled lots of "arguments" for pre trib being true. The Lord graciously opened my eyes and convinced me of the truth of post trib - even though I didn't know of a single argument for post trib!! Since then the Scriptures have been opened. Some of what I have been shown are in my videos. God bless you!
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
The "Tribulation" and the "Wrath of God" are two separate events. I myself am Pre-Wrath not the false interpretation of Pre-Trib. The Tribulation will happen before the Wrath of God. Another verse says Jesus will come "as a thief in the night" and he does so when "the sun and moon are darkened" The Anti-Christ must come before Jesus Christ return during that time will be the Tribulation
So 100% accurate and worded in short easily understood words. The only ones who can NOT understand this video will be those who do NOT want to understand the TRUTH. Saying SO MUCH in so few a words is a gift my friend, thank God for that gift. God bless you brother.
Thank you for your kind comment! I am reminded of Christ's words to His disciples in Luke 18: " 'The Son of Man... will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon. They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.' But they understood none of these things..." And why not? Because they didn't want it to happen! Plain words, but not accepted; just like Jesus saying the elect will be in the great tribulation! Some elect don't want to be there!
Jack, Arovir does the best vids on this subject on youtube. I always send people here who have questions about it! (Hope yu don't mind, Robert.) He explains this so well. He does have a gift!
well put. but alas this is all too common. It is like when i filled out a tax return once. i did not want to accept i was liable to pay, so the thing made no sense. but after i accepted that i was to pay i looked at the thing again and it make perfect and orderly sense.
that was a lesson of spiritual import I have never forgotten
Awesome! I just knew you were going to say Jesus! Praise HIM! The creator of heaven and earth, our Father and Jesus are well able to keep us safe thru this time! Wahoo! Jesus is coming soon!
We must keep our oil filled to the brim and not be caught lacking nor allow our lamps to go out!
Isn't it good to know that Jesus told us what we should believe and not believe about end-time teaching - in the end-time!
And think about this: Half of the virgins you refer to thought that the Bridegroom would come sooner rather than later. The other half prepared themselves in case He came later rather than sooner!
arovir, Yes! to what you said about the virgins! And wasn't it Joseph that prepared for the famine that was coming? We need to keep our eyes open and watching for the trials to come. We must prepare in advance, do our part, and Jesus will do the rest!
Another excellent video highlighting truth! Yah bless your efforts to expose the 'lie' of a pre-tribulation rapture. May we be accounted worthy, for HIs names' sake, to endure and escape. Blessings and love.
scutter4christ :) Our Lord Jesus Christ and the apostle Paul were the ones who were exactly correct!!! :) I'm just quoting them, but I do appreciate your rating!
Good video, but the title led me to believe that an early Church Father would be quoted. Do you have any information on who the first Church Father was to put forth Post-Trib Pre-Millenialism?
The title was done a little on purpose to get the viewer thinking :) It's just that we need to go all the way back to the One who said, "I will build My church" Matt 16:18.
To answer you question, one of the earliest Church Fathers was Justin Martyr (110-165 A.D.) In Dialogue with Trypho he wrote: 'He [Jesus] shall come from heaven with glory, when the man of apostasy, who speaks strange things against the Most High, shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the earth against us the Christians...'
AgAp.. Of course the apostles Peter, John, Paul etc were all post-trib pre-millennial, but it's worth noting that this thinking is found in Didache (Google it!) a piece of Christian instruction that was well known in the early church. It's dated as early as about 120 A.D. See chapter 16.
Beside Justin Martyr, other church fathers from the 1st - 3rd century who wrote of the return of Christ were Clement, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Lactantius and Hippolytus. They were all post-trib and pre-millennial.
Incredible! I didn't know the Didache touched on eschatology. I'm in the process of studying through the Apostolic Fathers, so I would love to look up some references to back up Post-Trib PreMill. Do you have the chapters and verses readily available? Or do you know where I can go to look them up?
Beside the Didache ch 16:1-8 there is The Epistle of Barnabas from early 2nd century 4:3-4; 15:5. The ref. in Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho is 110. Irenaeus in late 2nd century wrote Against Heresies, see 5,26,1; 27,4; 30,4 and 35,1 for post trib. As for Tertullian from late 2nd century, see Adv. Marcion 3,25 for pre-mill doctrine. Lactantius of late 3rd century wrote of the post trib doctrine in Divine Institutes, see 7:16-19. In 3rd century Hippolytus wrote ..Antichrist see 50, 60-64.
I really appreciate your support, Rileyportbay. Yes, the evidence is so clear. Christians WILL be around at that time. We are wise to do as Jesus told the last generation of believers: Watch for the signs and always pray to be counted worthy to escape all the calamities that will engulf the world before He comes back.
Quick easy and simply broken down to show the False rapture pretrib is wrong.And unbiblical. These verses put away the fable.Well spoken and nice smoke backdrop
Thanks! By the way, the smoke backdrop is really a picture of galactic debris and circles around a planet in outer space that I manipulated by changing the angle, making it unsharp, causing it to waver and then move across the screen. The result was - uncannily smokelike!
Amen...most deny this truth...thanks for posting.
MrRunningwolfe 1 month ago
People are starting to wake up, I am feeling Him coming! All most here! I have been fight for the message a really long time! Christianity today is about self serving One self, teach people the gospel of comfort! Rather, The Gospel Of True! 2 Thessalonians 2:11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. Repent the Kingdom is Coming, even now on it's way
vsp2444 1 month ago
@vsp2444 It's good that self-seeking believers are starting to wake up. If they haven't already heeded the Holy Spirit's calling, coming trials and tribulations will certainly shake the sleep out of the eyes. The chaff will be divided from the wheat. They will either repent and turn to the Lord or be offended and depart from Him.
arovir 1 month ago
@arovir What esle is there to say? Truth is truth! I love to see other's out there reading and teaching with clearness of sight, it's powerful! I was wondering if you would do a video on the sabbath day! The 10 commandents vs. 613 Mosaic Laws/Aronic Laws of the priesthood (365 negative and 248 positive) directed how the Hebrews were to live for the purpose of pleasing God and enjoying His favor. American Christian are ignorant up the different of what was Jewish Law vs the Ten.
vsp2444 1 month ago
@vsp2444 Thank you! :)
As for making videos there are many important topics that need to addressed - among them the issues you mention - yet for my part I sense I should continue to concentrate on end-time themes, at least at the present time.
arovir 1 month ago
@arovir Cool! No biggie! But if you ever get around to it! I want to be the first person to know! God Bless
vsp2444 1 month ago
Added to my End Times Prophecy playlist!
SalvationisoftheJews 1 month ago
@SalvationisoftheJews Much appreciated!
arovir 1 month ago
Most Excellent. I have written 10 page posts to show this but you have nicely proven this in a 2 minute video using the words of the LORD.
Formertelecomguy 1 month ago
@Formertelecomguy Thank you for your kind comment. God bless!
arovir 1 month ago
Nice brother. I have another. 2 Thess 2:7 is used to support pre trib, right. However Its very bad translated. Check this w w w(doth)pbministries(doth)org/Eschatology/cometh/cometh_06.htm
lyon2k 1 month ago
@lyon2k Yes, that verse is often (wrongly) used to support the pre trib teaching. Thanks for the link. It was interesting to read. God bless!
arovir 1 month ago
@arovir Yeah;) God bless!
lyon2k 1 month ago
I am so encouraged by your video. And so happy to see that the majority of comments were in agreement with you (and God's Word!). I am surrounded by a sea of pre tribbers - I have one friend who I am able to discuss prophecy with. Now I have met some others!!! I hope to watch more of your videos... Love your accent :)
abterilli 2 months ago
@abterilli I too know what it's like to be surrounded by a sea of pre-tribbers with hardly anyone viewing the end-time in the way an increasing number of believers are discovering from God's Word.
Thank you for your kind comment.
arovir 2 months ago
the first post tribber was Jesus Christ himself. VERY VERY WELL PUT!! I hadn't quite looked at it that way, but of course it is absolutely correct, however a pre trib convert (shew wa post tribfor years) tells me that the gathering by the angels from the four corners is a different event to the being transformed in a twinkling of an eye as one takes time the other is instantaneous. I of course disagree, but do you have any comment on this?
Strefanasha 1 year ago
@Strefanasha Thank you for your comment. :) In 1 Cor 15 it says the twinkling of an eye is how long it takes to change the bodies of the believers still alive when Jesus returns. This will enable them to be gathered by the angels along with the resurrected dead saints, and rise from all over the globe to meet Christ as He descends. This might take some time. So there are no discrepancies. The bottom line is: There is only one gathering and Jesus said in Matt 24 / Mark 13 that it's post trib.
arovir 1 year ago
In Paul's 1st letter to the Thessalonians, he addresses them confidently concerning their "election of God" (1:4).
It's a worrisome idea to me that some would not want to be part of the elect at the Lord's coming in favor of a secret rapture 3 1/2 or 7 years earlier.
baqashchokmahelel 1 year ago
Several years ago I was reading the scriptures and had my eyes opened, I knew nothing about a post trib, but all my life had believed in a pre-trib rapture, I thank God for the revelation of Jesus Christ; I also noticed that he taught with emphasis on the resurrection and the end of the age. I encourage everyone to listen to the teachings of Jesus very carefully, you will find that it is starkly different from the teachings of men.
lkevins1 1 year ago
@lkevins1 - Praise God! I had a somewhat similar experience many years ago. I also knew nothing about post trib, having believed in a pre-trib rapture since my youth. I had even compiled lots of "arguments" for pre trib being true. The Lord graciously opened my eyes and convinced me of the truth of post trib - even though I didn't know of a single argument for post trib!! Since then the Scriptures have been opened. Some of what I have been shown are in my videos. God bless you!
arovir 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing, clear and scriptural
NatanYaHu 1 year ago
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
The "Tribulation" and the "Wrath of God" are two separate events. I myself am Pre-Wrath not the false interpretation of Pre-Trib. The Tribulation will happen before the Wrath of God. Another verse says Jesus will come "as a thief in the night" and he does so when "the sun and moon are darkened" The Anti-Christ must come before Jesus Christ return during that time will be the Tribulation
soulwinningministry 1 year ago
Well done!
Rippr76 2 years ago
So 100% accurate and worded in short easily understood words. The only ones who can NOT understand this video will be those who do NOT want to understand the TRUTH. Saying SO MUCH in so few a words is a gift my friend, thank God for that gift. God bless you brother.
ALittleBrother 2 years ago
Thank you for your kind comment! I am reminded of Christ's words to His disciples in Luke 18: " 'The Son of Man... will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon. They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.' But they understood none of these things..." And why not? Because they didn't want it to happen! Plain words, but not accepted; just like Jesus saying the elect will be in the great tribulation! Some elect don't want to be there!
arovir 2 years ago
Jack, Arovir does the best vids on this subject on youtube. I always send people here who have questions about it! (Hope yu don't mind, Robert.) He explains this so well. He does have a gift!
Lachance8 2 years ago
you not yu.lol
Lachance8 2 years ago
@ALittleBrother
well put. but alas this is all too common. It is like when i filled out a tax return once. i did not want to accept i was liable to pay, so the thing made no sense. but after i accepted that i was to pay i looked at the thing again and it make perfect and orderly sense.
that was a lesson of spiritual import I have never forgotten
Strefanasha 1 year ago
Awesome! I just knew you were going to say Jesus! Praise HIM! The creator of heaven and earth, our Father and Jesus are well able to keep us safe thru this time! Wahoo! Jesus is coming soon!
We must keep our oil filled to the brim and not be caught lacking nor allow our lamps to go out!
InHISWord2 2 years ago
Nice to hear from you!
Isn't it good to know that Jesus told us what we should believe and not believe about end-time teaching - in the end-time!
And think about this: Half of the virgins you refer to thought that the Bridegroom would come sooner rather than later. The other half prepared themselves in case He came later rather than sooner!
arovir 2 years ago
arovir, Yes! to what you said about the virgins! And wasn't it Joseph that prepared for the famine that was coming? We need to keep our eyes open and watching for the trials to come. We must prepare in advance, do our part, and Jesus will do the rest!
InHISWord2 2 years ago
Amen to that! Let's pray for wisdom and discernment in these last days!
arovir 2 years ago
Superb. :-)
I left u a message on Tangle.
nashville500 2 years ago
Takk! Supert! :o) I answer in Norwegian since you know the lingo. Have you noticed that noses of the far north are round? - like clowns have! ;)
Since you left a message, I right (actually wrote) u (or ewe) a message on Tangle 2 !
arovir 2 years ago
Another excellent video highlighting truth! Yah bless your efforts to expose the 'lie' of a pre-tribulation rapture. May we be accounted worthy, for HIs names' sake, to endure and escape. Blessings and love.
boltingpuppies 2 years ago
Your words really bless me! Thank you! Blessings and love to you too.
arovir 2 years ago
Excellent!!!
5 stars for you my friend for being exactly correct!!!
scutter4christ 2 years ago
scutter4christ :) Our Lord Jesus Christ and the apostle Paul were the ones who were exactly correct!!! :) I'm just quoting them, but I do appreciate your rating!
arovir 2 years ago
Good video, but the title led me to believe that an early Church Father would be quoted. Do you have any information on who the first Church Father was to put forth Post-Trib Pre-Millenialism?
AgApE010 2 years ago
The title was done a little on purpose to get the viewer thinking :) It's just that we need to go all the way back to the One who said, "I will build My church" Matt 16:18.
To answer you question, one of the earliest Church Fathers was Justin Martyr (110-165 A.D.) In Dialogue with Trypho he wrote: 'He [Jesus] shall come from heaven with glory, when the man of apostasy, who speaks strange things against the Most High, shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the earth against us the Christians...'
arovir 2 years ago
AgAp.. Of course the apostles Peter, John, Paul etc were all post-trib pre-millennial, but it's worth noting that this thinking is found in Didache (Google it!) a piece of Christian instruction that was well known in the early church. It's dated as early as about 120 A.D. See chapter 16.
Beside Justin Martyr, other church fathers from the 1st - 3rd century who wrote of the return of Christ were Clement, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Lactantius and Hippolytus. They were all post-trib and pre-millennial.
arovir 2 years ago
@arovir
Incredible! I didn't know the Didache touched on eschatology. I'm in the process of studying through the Apostolic Fathers, so I would love to look up some references to back up Post-Trib PreMill. Do you have the chapters and verses readily available? Or do you know where I can go to look them up?
AgApE010 2 years ago
Beside the Didache ch 16:1-8 there is The Epistle of Barnabas from early 2nd century 4:3-4; 15:5. The ref. in Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho is 110. Irenaeus in late 2nd century wrote Against Heresies, see 5,26,1; 27,4; 30,4 and 35,1 for post trib. As for Tertullian from late 2nd century, see Adv. Marcion 3,25 for pre-mill doctrine. Lactantius of late 3rd century wrote of the post trib doctrine in Divine Institutes, see 7:16-19. In 3rd century Hippolytus wrote ..Antichrist see 50, 60-64.
arovir 2 years ago
Wow, Awesome video! You nailed it!!! Favorited and shared!
Lachance8 2 years ago
It's always a blessing to hear from you, Lachance8!
arovir 2 years ago
Excellent as always. God bless your effort's to awake God's people.
Larryd1001 2 years ago
Glad you liked it, Larry. God bless you too!
arovir 2 years ago
Excellent video Robert! Great message! This is clearly stating that Christians will be around during the tribulation, right?
Rileyportbay 2 years ago
I really appreciate your support, Rileyportbay. Yes, the evidence is so clear. Christians WILL be around at that time. We are wise to do as Jesus told the last generation of believers: Watch for the signs and always pray to be counted worthy to escape all the calamities that will engulf the world before He comes back.
arovir 2 years ago
Amen! And I love the image of Jesus Christ that you chose to use.
Rileyportbay 2 years ago
Quick easy and simply broken down to show the False rapture pretrib is wrong.And unbiblical. These verses put away the fable.Well spoken and nice smoke backdrop
EastEndWatcher 2 years ago
Thanks! By the way, the smoke backdrop is really a picture of galactic debris and circles around a planet in outer space that I manipulated by changing the angle, making it unsharp, causing it to waver and then move across the screen. The result was - uncannily smokelike!
arovir 2 years ago
Put on the Armour of God and prepare for what is coming.
I pray for us all.
Thank you for posting.
*****
TribulationWarrior 2 years ago
And thank you for your wise counsel :)
arovir 2 years ago