Can everyone please understand that the "separation of church and state" idea is so often misquoted that it is becoming dangerous to our society and moral health. What Jefferson meant when he said that was government shall not interfere with religious matters, but he never suggested that religion did not have a place in the United States Government. Just look at the wording of the constitution and the laws the Founding Fathers passed, it was all directly inspired by Judeo-Christian beliefs.
Don't you love it when people preach about religious history and wars on youtube they don't have the facts or stats to back it up...Bloomberg might have done it to avoid confrontations among the incredible amount of people with different religious backgrounds in NYC
People should have brought their own clergy and had a prayer service on their own. you dont need the city to privide it for you. How ever. The fact that there wasnt any clergy provided jsut proved to the muslum world that they did win. when we dont allow our selves to be our selves for the fear of offending someone we are slowly biolding our own prison. Sadly, this is a victory for the murderers that killed 3000 people in the name of their religion.
Bloomberg is the Mayor....Yet He thinks "our Constitution" says separation of church and state? Where does it say that?...READ THE CONSTITUTION IDIOT!
@sikovit You realize that the first amendment actually implies that right? I think it's hilarious that when it comes to religion or privacy, conservatives want a completely literal reading of the constitution. When it comes to gun rights and civil rights, they want just the opposite.
@shalcall what it "implies" is that no religion can be dictated by the state. As in the King of england who was also in charge of the church. It does not mean that the government can not recognize the church. The founders certainly did and invoked god in the preamble! Liberals twist things to suit them disregarding facts AGAIN.
@themunz126 Actually it does mean that the government can not officially recognize a religion as that would be a "law respecting an establishment of religion." Honestly, if you can read English, this is not difficult to understand. Jefferson understood it. I believe he was a founding father.
And no, the founders DID NOT invoke God in the preamble. God is not mentioned at any time in the entire constitution. If you don't believe me, read it.
@themunz126 Are you fucking kidding me? Do your parents shake their heads when you open your mouth in public? "Endowed by their Creator" is NOT in the constitution. That's in the Declaration of Independence. There are millions of immigrants in this country that know more about our history than you do. Just go away.
@shalcall True that!...But Bloomberg is NOT a conservative . He is a democrat....There is NO left/right....Both sides take away our rights...look ...Obama Expanded Bush policies!
I am disgusted that Police and Firefighters were not allowed to attend. They saved THOUSANDS of people on 9/11 at the risk of their own lives, hundreds dying in the process. It was a slap in their faces and shameful.
Who is more important to remember, your family member who was murdered or those who tried to help?
If I was a firefighter I could understand that the day was for remembered of those who died, not those who survived. A family of a dead firefighter should get preference to a firefighter who survived. There are not just one day, but that particular day is for the dead.
@Harizl You don't get it. Lots of survivors had family and friends that died there Including Police and firefighters. 1/6th of the dead WERE these people. 1/6th! And if not for them you would have had tens of thousands dead. This was guilt and anger at the Police and Fire by the mayor period.
Being murdered is not the same as being killed in action.
If there is to be a line drawn so all parties can commemorate without becoming a crowded mess then I do not have a problem with having the day being about those who were not rescue workers and having that other vigil on another day.
There will be some overlap and exceptions, but this is pure logistics to allow everyone due time.
Would you rather it be a crowded clusterfuck or just call foul on the mayor?
Being murdered is not the same as being killed in action.
If there is to be a line drawn so all parties can commemorate without becoming a crowded mess then I do not have a problem with having the day being about those who were not rescue workers and having that other vigil on another day.
There will be some overlap and exceptions, but this is pure logistics to allow everyone due time.
Would you rather it be a crowded clusterfuck or just call foul on the mayor?
@themunz126 No it wasn't. There is only LIMITED space. You cannot create space in NYC out of thin air. It's an island, the specific area is still under construction and you are surrounded by tall buildings. There is only so much space. So who gets priority? The families of the people who died, including families of firefighters and police who died, or the people who were blessed enough to have survived that day?
@shalcall I understand about the space. But they didn't bother inviting many survivors who were in WTC either. It is disgraceful, disrespectful and politically motivated.
@themunz126 How the fuck is it politically motivated? Families of the dead (you know, the ones whose names are actually on the memorial) got priority. Over 2700 people died in that location and they all had families. That's thousands upon thousands, plus the politicians (both Obama and Bush) plus the security detail for 2 U.S. Presidents, NY Senators and the Mayor.
You can't say you understand about the space and then say they should have invited more than they had space for.
It doesn't make any sense to me banning clergy and first responders. They didn't not have to speak or participate in the tribute, but why ban them to be there to watch the ceremony?
In US there are 38000 different christian groups/sect/etc - most of them stating that their points of view regarding the invisible sky-daddy in the imaginary heavens are the right one if you want to go to heaven as one the few chosen ones when doomsday come. The founding fathers did right to keep manmade religion out of politics - and Bloomberg is one of few politicians with courage to do the same.
Let us apply it thusly now: [Name your flavor of god or omniscient being here] just happened out of nothing. First nothing and then bam [Name your flavor of god or omniscient being here].
Banning religious leaders is just a cop-out for why they banned 9/11 first responders. Distracting the real issue of the many serious illnesses and distrust the first responders have with the US gov't. You know Fox news or any other MSM news aren't going to ask the hard questions to their elitist buddies. Hmmm let's see how we can water this down? Duh RELIGION!!
@fuel20 Fox News asks a lot of difficult questions from a variety of folks. Or, perhaps you have taken the time to notice. Or, your memory fails you if remembering why Fox News started, to challenge the liberal media that rarely ask hard questions of liberals. Just because Fox News asks hard questions to liberals doesn't make it innately conservative. It merely makes it more conservative, or perhaps balanced, than the innately liberal media.
@RobCatts Why are you telling me this? I could care less about the false left/right paradigm. They prop each other up with their lies. If it wasn't for democrats the republicans would fall flat on their face and if it wasnt for republicans the democrats would fall flat on their face. MSM doesn't give much credence to anyone who thinks outside their box. There once was Tea Party that was opposed to these wars and limited gov't, thanx to fox news it was hijacked by stinking neocons.
@fuel20 I'm simply pointing out that your misrepresentation of Fox News is false. They DO ask hard questions of both Republicans and Democrats. You pretended they did not.
@2002lees The constitution beat me to it. Not many people seemed to notice our tax dollars funded a preaching service held yesterday by our President as he read passages from the bible. I'm curious how the Muslim victims felt.
how about the atheists who see it as a total waste of tax monies and an avoidance of the massive amounts of problems that keep propitiating while they are off praying?
@Harizl Atheism has promoted as much or more bloodshed in USSR and other atheist regimes than Christianity or probably even Islam. Not all religions are equal in application of violence, and the religious views of atheism are no more innocent than others. Christianity went through a Dark Age of Biblical ignorance, and so have other religions, but many religious texts, when read, promote a respect or preservation for life. What does atheism have to offer? Please consider this when governing.
If you think Atheism itself caused or lead to those so-called "atheist regimes" then you don't even understand that they were.
Atheism has man justifying it's actions upon the welfare of fellow man. There is nothing an atheist can do justified in the name of a deity or without honest examination of reality.
Atheism offers pure secularism and equal rights for all without denying reality due to dogma or justifying the unjustifiable with faith positions. Lacking religion is positive.
@Harizl If Hitler killing Jews using Darwinist reasoning does not condemn Atheism, how can you condemn Christianity for Christians acting contrary to their religious text? Pure secularism nor Atheism have equal rights as an innate dogma. Equal rights is a Christian concept. Perhaps some other religions share this concept, but where does Darwin promote equal rights? What authoritative atheist texts promote a requirement for equal rights? How does a godless chaotic universe require any morality?
I just wanted to point out that the science of evolutionary biology has nothing to do with Hitler. Hitler, in fact, supported Catholicism. All you have to read is his book Mein Kampf where he repeatedly talks about God. "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." - Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 chp 2. The slogan was “Gott Min Uns” meaning “God With Us”, a slogan that was worn on the belt buckle of every Nazi soldier.
Also you ask what authoritative atheist text promote equal rights. Atheism is simply the lack in belief in supernatural beings/Gods. It is not a set system of active beliefs, how can it be? Saying that atheism is a unified belief system is like saying NOT collecting stamps is a hobby.
As for equal rights, the famous secularist Thomas Paine wrote the main book for equal rights called "The Rights of Man " where as the Bible endorses slavery (Exodus 21:20-21)
@TheSuchhikumar You said, "Atheism has man justifying it's actions upon the welfare of fellow man," and, "Atheism offers pure secularism and equal rights for all," yet you say, "It is not a set system of active beliefs." These statements are not consistent.
If you hold what you just said as reality, then there is nothing I can say that you will accept as worthy of consideration. You can go ahead to spin reality to suit your beliefs being everything is good, I won't fight your delusions.
As for your last question:
Morality in about the actions and interactions which effect others, if there was no one in the universe but yourself there would be nothing immoral you could to, but that is not our universe because others do exist.
Morality is not contingent on a god, nor is it set in stone. Take a moment to consider that.
If I killed you and ate you, would it be moral?
That is all dependent on what is acceptable in my community.
Morality is about human interaction and what the society around us deems moral to do.
There are thousands of examples of this, take a few minutes to understand that unlike me you may have a completely different view not based on reality but upon preachment.
@Harizl On one hand, I agree with you that a community will determine what it thinks is moral. And, I agree with you that if morality is not determined by the opinion of a Creator god, then it is not at all set in stone. But, what I don't understand is why you assume there is no god to have an opinion, or why you diminish the theistic community moralities while elevating the atheistic community moralities while claiming that culture alone determines morality. How do you value a culture?
I don't assume there is no god any more than you assume there is no invisible monkey on your back, the group positing a god or a monkey is the one who needs to support it, disbelief of a claim is the default, not belief.
I value a culture by what it has reasoned and justified in its social norms, not ones with a shred of faith-based-justification or baseless dogmatism. If someone wants to ignore reality when it comes to issues and judge by dogma, I have no time for such retardation.
@RobCatts if you make decisions based on the fear of god or hell then your decision are based in self. no decision based in self has any moral value, read immanual kant. religion creates a state of moral decadence. that is, a state of non-growth.
@gotitans999 United States of America was founded by free men and women, most of which were self-proclaimed Christians. Their beliefs created your freedoms. If you don't have the proper character to respect the Christian freedoms you so enjoy, at least have the intellectual decency to read your Constitution before agreeing with Separation of Church and State. Respect your heritage, if you live in the United States of America. If not, don't lie about our heritage. Try speaking words of truth.
There have been other nations who have basically banned public displays of Christianity....Soviet Union, North Korea, Nazi Germany, Communist China to name a few. Look how they ended up treating human life. Anyone see a trend there?
@mkrulic517439 Salem witch trials--a small town of Puritans told to stop by a state of Puritans. Inquisitions--an organized religion practicing tyranny when the religious text of said religion was banned from common languages forcing a systemic ignorance on its people; this does not apply at all to America and is exactly the kind of reason America promoted freedom of (not from) religion. Abortion clinic bombings--condemned by the majority of Christians. Your suggestions are illogical.
@RobCatts "Look how they ended up treating human life. Anyone see a trend there?" yea I see a trend. religious people think they are superior because they half read a book. not the entire thing, if you read all of it and are not financially tied to the belief system you would become an atheist.
you reference a book that not only condones but endorses rape, slavery, genocide,...as a reference for morality. but I am the one illogical. lol
@mkrulic517439 I challenge you on your accusation that the Bible condones rape. Where? I can show you where rape is punishable by death--Deuteronomy 22:25. As for slavery in the Bible, the only slaves I know of were captured in war. This is not the same as American slavery fueled by kidnappings, nor does it ignore the humanity of the slaves. It would be more like enslaving those who attack us, and I don't see any evidence that it was consistently practiced or promoted in the New Testament.
@RobCatts Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT), Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14), Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB),...do you need more?
as for slavery let me put it this way, if your head was on fire and the only way to put it out was to own a slave BURN. I cant believe you are trying to spin slavery. as far as old or new testament the god of yesterday is the god of today is the god of tommorow. i.e, god is unchanging.
@mkrulic517439 If you look at these passages, especially Deuteronomy 21, you will notice that they are not immediately gratifying rape, but instead marriage in a polygamous, patriarchal culture, a cultural dynamic very common in that day, as was war slaves. What you might not have focused on is the number of protections for wives throughout the Torah law, protections that may have even seemed progressive for their time. As for slavery, it was servitude or death for the men, also very common.
@RobCatts now your trying to spin war crimes of the most horrific. call bad anything other than bad and you loose all credibility w/ the person you are talking to. "it was servitude or death for the men" this doesnt make it better.
@obrmb560 he's an idiot;having representatives of different faiths would have been excellent symbolism-and his saying some people might be offended-that doesn't pass any bullshit test;he's good at making money-but he's a very smug,arrogant guy..
He is an idiot. Ignorant ass. Stupid. And he is obviously anti-religion! We weren't expecting the moslems to be remembered or for them to participate...with that in mind, about 95.9% of us would've been satisfied with ANY Christian pastor participating and praying. Bloomie is an idiot. Plain and simple. He is making excuses and they are lame as hell.
@KDandDL Not only is it NOT written in our Constitution, when the subject was being addressed, back in the 1700's, the conversation had NOTHING to do with what Bloomberg or the dimwit/libtards like to preach. Period! "Separation of Church and State" is being twisted and used for people who need excuses, like Bloomberg. Idiot.
Bloomberg emphasized that "Separation of Church and State" is in the Constitution and used it to separate religion and State. Twice! Hold the press! "Separation of Church and State" is not in the Constitution. For all you who incorrectly think it is, search the Constitution, I dare you. Then, if you have time, read the Supreme Court rulings prior to 1960's. You'll find that Bloomberg is not only in error but also in blatant contrast with original applications of our First Amendment freedoms.
Guess i will be the asshole and say this and say that I totally agree with Bloomberg's decision on this. So many people are impacted by this that you can't get them all together at once. Has to be spread out. In regards to religion, I don't think this is the place for religion at all
Bloomie uses "Separation of church and state" as his defense against inviting clergy, religiious leaders and first responsders to the 9/11 10th Anniversary memorial. So what now, Mr. Mayor, God shouldn't bless America?!!
I thought it was great how Bloomberg bans religion from the event and Rudy quotes Ecclesiastes right in his face, Rudy never gives an inch . Bloomberg suffers iwhen you compare the two.
It is sad there are people in this country like Bloomberg who think we are so incapable of living in dignity with others who are different that we need to just ignore any differences. I am Christian, you might be Muslim, according to Bloomberg, that means we can't have respect for each other and for the differences in how we identify ourselves and the religious symbols and believes we use to explain tragic events like this. It would have been better to ban politicians.
Tell the founding fathers that if they had a Christian prayer then they have to have a Muslim one. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hahahahaha. They wouldn't even consider it.
We're busy beating this guy up when really he is protecting us, but just can't say so.
If he were to allow clergy, he would have to also allow a Muslim Imam. And can you see the uproar with that? Can you see how insulting it would be that a religious leader representing the religion in whose name this heinous act was committed?
This is the difference between you & I. I posted a possible reason for his decision, a decision I had not seen anyone else post. I called no one any names and did not make it personal.
You chose to call me two names. How is this demonstrating the 'love' your username describes?
And do not misinterpret as anything other than one POSSIBLE political reality. It does not have to be a spiritual reality.
I wish these people would stop quoting Thomas Jefferson. He was not the author of the Constitution. He wasn't even a signer. The separation of Church and State he is credited with was in a letter he wrote to the Danbury Baptist Association, not a part of the government.
"Congress shall pass no law regarding the establishment of a religion" Is Bloomberg congress? is the local government of NYC the US Congress? is having religious leaders in the ceremony same as "establishing" a religion? where is the so called knowledge of these people?
The point of Separation is To Prevent Congress of the United States: (nothing is said about Local or State Goverments) from Establishing a specific religion. this clause has no place in this case, because what was being asked of the major was to allowed Religious leaders to be represented formally within the activities, Nobody was asking him to Establish a religion.
behind this is hatred for Christianity plain and simple.
I'd like for Bloomberg to be asked why it is Congress, where actual laws are written, has prayer at the start of every meeting & yet somehow it's wrong to have religious references at a ceremony of remembrance.
@Sauls2286 how is religious tolerance "everything that is wrong with America"?not everyone in the United States is a Christian.so why should we have your religion shoved down our throats?because i'm pretty sure you'd bitch and moan if, at the ceremony, they had everyone kneel down on islamic prayer rugs and do their midday prayers
If there was no conspiracy in the world, does it not occur to you that we would be living in much more peaceful, harmonious, and prosperous world? When a criminal is arrested, he/she is very likely to cry "conspiracy theorists" to his accusers. Think not?? Thats right all of those in prison are innocent. Some of them may well be, but at least 90% of them are not.
Of course, the comments with religious favoritism in videos such as these get the high ratings because the community of the world is, unfortunately, majorly ignorantly religious.
Matthew 6:1-34 “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ...
@granma4418: WOW ~ the ignorance of some in this nation is just mind-blowing.
Yes, afforded asylum. The U.S. Govt doesn't send people to the guillotine for being a non-believer.
According to you, prayer in church is wrong since it's not in secret. And the hypocrites the scripture is referring to are those like Obama who only use Christianity as a tool to try & push their agenda, like healthcare, yet sleep very easily at night after defending every type of barbaric abortion imaginable.
Matthew 6:6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Mark 6:46 And after he had taken leave of them, he went up on the mountain to pray.
Matthew 14:23 And after he had dismissed the crowds, he went up on the mountain by himself to pray. When evening came, he was there alone.
@granma4418 You forgot verse 5: Mathew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward.
For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." - Patrick Henry..in a nutshell, separation of church and state means just that. We are free to worship as we choose. It goes against the constitution to make a law saying we must follow any prescribed religion. However, none of this applies here. Bloomberg is wrong, as I've already stated.
@granma4418: Yes, the U.S. Govt won't send someone to the guillotine for being an Atheist. Why is that so difficult to grasp? And as far as your prayer in secret, I suppose you believe that people shouldn't pray in church either.
The ignorance of some in this nation is mind-blowing
"offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord.. whether in public or private, to perform our several and relative duties properly .. to render our government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed, to protect and guide .. and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord. To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue"
I would highly recommend the book: "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion," and you can read for yourself what this ilk of sons of bitches has done and has in store for America. When the Bolsheviks seized power in Russia in the set-up of the USSR, all of those who were found with a copy of this book were executed.
When has the media or the government ever told you the truth?
@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth. You are going to Hell with Jew-boy Bloomberg!!
@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth. You are going to Hell with Jew-boy Bloomberg!!
@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth. You are going to Hell with Jew-boy Bloomberg!!
@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth. You are going to Hell with Jew-boy Bloomberg!
@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth. You are going to Hell with Jew-boy Bloomberg!
@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth. You are going to Hell with Jew-boy Bloomberg!
@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth. You are going to Hell with Jew-boy Bloomberg!
@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth.
@Seraph7771000 There are also people who still believe the earth is flat, 'The DaVinci Code' is evidence of masonic conspiracy, the sun revolves around the earth, the earth is the center of the universe and the Vikings will someday win the Super Bowl.
As for cockroaches, they are evolutionary survivors.
@irreverentreverend Both the Bible and the Book of Enoch reveal and prove the earth is spherical. Also that life on earth was created by "Extra Terrestrials." Revealing what is otherwise unexplained, "alien," and "unidentified" to the ignorant and/or ill-informed world.
@irreverentreverend I get the esoteric of the DaVinci Code; Masonry is Judaism, and has done humanity no favors. I am well understand in symbolism and similacrum.
@irreverentreverend What I understand about the Bible is not the organized relgion of "Judeo-Christianity," which is not Christianity, but the world's biggest oxymoron. Judaism and Christianity are opposites. The traditions of the Pharisees, which Jesus rebuked them regularly for, were contrary to the Bible, as you can read in His interactions with them. Just as Science is not the opposite of Creation, but is the Knowledge of Creation. The Genesis account is in line with the fossil record.
@irreverentreverend For example: the "7 Day" account: what geology cuts up into several different epochs, the Bible account cuts up into 6 Days. The collision of spacerocks: an orb without form and void, the cooling, the release of gases forming the atomosphere, the release of water vapor then condensing to liquid forming the deep, which God "hovered" over. More primitive life on earth before more complex. Dinosaurs are not mentioned because the Bible is not about dinosaurs, but mankind.
@irreverentreverend The Israelites followed a deliberately moving and stopping object out of Egypt that appeared as a "cloud" by day, and a "fire" by night. And what was that object doing in Egypt in the first place? "Sons of God" of Genesis 6 were on the earth and did build the pyramids. Some of them did what was forbidden and crossbred with human women. Angels in their natural bodies are neither male nor female, but they can MAKE human bodies, as God is a genetic engineer.
@irreverentreverend Jesus Himself, was made of the Father as bio-engineered sperm cell implanted into the womb of a pure virgin woman named Mary. Thus the "Star of Bethlehem" was more than just celestial signs, but a visitation, as you can read that Angels appeared to the shepherds in the fields. Jesus also ascended into a "Cloud," as He will also descended from the same "Cloud." Saul of Tarsus saw a blinding light, and heard a identifying voice on the road to Damascus.
@irreverentreverend There is a lot in the Bible that people are kept dumbed down about by the powers that be. So I can understand even why people find religion disgusting, because the devil is just as happy if you worship him, as he is happy that you deny his, and therefore God's existence. That way he has you deceived either way.
George Washington - 1st public address in celebration of the new Government:
"to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor .. Whereas both Houses of Congress have requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God"
This man is a total and complete moron, not only about the lie of the separation of Church and state being in the constitution, but about his worthless excuse of not having clergy at the memorial. Well, I hate to say this, but NY, YOU voted for this lunatic. He's all yours, enjoy!
the constitution merely prevents a state sponsored church like the church of england. It has been bastardized over the years in liberal speak to mean the prohibition of anything religious. Methinks that many lawmakers need a course in the constitution
I believe that our founding fathers main intent was to ensure we did not fall into a dictatorship.Favoring one religion over another provide the path to a dictatorship. I find it hard to believe that Christians want God in the pledge and pray in school, yet fail to understand that if the tables turned and we had leaders who subscribed to a religion other than Christianity, they could dictate that we follow their religion. It's a dangerous precedent that could turn on a dime.
"The Bible is the rock on which this Republic rests" - Andrew Jackson
"It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible" - George Washington
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." - Patrick Henry
Separation of Church and State is not spelled out in the constitution, per say, but it does exist. Jefferson was merely saying..this is what it means. However it does not apply here, the idiot is not making a law. It's a lame excuse for not including them, but no worries. This too shall not be forgotten.
@granma4418: Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists was simply stating that taxpayer dollars shouldn't be allocated to one religion, i.e. denomination, as in "Baptists". If money was then not given to Lutherans, Methodists, etc., it would be the same as endorsing one specific religion.
People should ponder on Jefferson's writings, etched into the walls of the Jefferson Memorial. He trembled for his country who would one day try & omit God from our founding principles.
Ah ok, so Jefferson wanted government to endorse God when he talked about a separation between church and state? That was basically the gist of it, right? Nice revisionist history there. Did you by any chance go to Glenn Beck's college or anything?
@sverrir48: Why don't you learn to read & comprehend instead of using your energy to post childish & ignorant BS? Earlier, you were ignorant enough to claim that the Founders were not Protestant, unbeknownst to you that the information is at the Library of Congress & National Archives. Now, in your desperation, you post another immature comment, completely ignoring Jefferson's own words. Grow up. And please educate yourself while you're at it.
They were not all protestants. Tell me what denomination C. Carroll, D. Carroll, Fitzsimons, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine belonged to. Go ahead. Waltz down to the Library of Congress you joker and tell me these guys were bona fide protestants. Don't know if it's sad or funny that you can't write a single comment without proclaiming your deep knowledge on the issue and telling others to look things, when you BS your ass off and apparently don't know jack.
@sverrir48: So you are a tad bit knowledgeable with your ability to point out the only 2 Catholics whose principles were the same as Protestants' (their leadership roles heavily debated on the on-set). Oh, and by the way, Franklin & Jefferson were Episcopalian & Paine was Unitarian.
@irreverentreverend: Hitler's ultimate plan was to destroy Christianity ~ don't you know by now that his actions in public were nothing but a guise for his real motives? Read, "The Nazi Master Plan, Annex 4: The Persecution of the Christian Churches"
@irreverentreverend Yeah right!! A Jewish lie!! Judaism goal is to eliminate Christianity and Christians. Talmudic Judaism is not the religion of the OT, but it's opposite. It is the traditions that the Pharisees kept; Saul of Tarsus slaughtered many Christians, before His conversion experience and His name was to Paul. The Anti-Christ Jews are out to do no less than the same today. I could careless about Mein Kempf, if I had a copy, I would burn it. Read the Bible, before the Jews outlaw it.
Thomas Jefferson's clarification of the 'Establishment Clause':
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."
Thomas Jefferson
Jan. 1, 1802
From his letter to the Danbury Baptists Association
THAT'S RIGHT BLOOMBERG PUSH GOD AWAY FOR NYC,,,HAVE A NICE TRIP FUCKO, NICE TO KNOW YA WOULDN'T WANT TO BE YA. ..ZIONIST / ILLUMINATI SCREWHEAD KENITE.
The only Constitution that the phrase "Separation of Church and State" appears in is that of the USSR, of which all the founders of that monster were all JEWS.
No where in the constitution does it say there is a separation of Church and State. This man is just catering to the muslims. Other people, would be offended because of their religion. What religion is that Mr.Bloomburg?
Bloomberg is simply IGNORANT of what is in the Constitution, as is many Americans. Please, people, READ the Constitution! While you're at it, study American history and read all the related documents and writings of our Founding Fathers - especially the letters between the Danbury Baptists and Thomas Jefferson, because THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL FIND THAT PHRASE - IN A PRIVATE LETTER
I have so much respect for bloomberg now
vmorgun 4 months ago
Religious leaders? Fine. Banning rescue workers? Now that is just fucked up. Mayor Bloomberg is an ass.
timjones066 5 months ago
Can everyone please understand that the "separation of church and state" idea is so often misquoted that it is becoming dangerous to our society and moral health. What Jefferson meant when he said that was government shall not interfere with religious matters, but he never suggested that religion did not have a place in the United States Government. Just look at the wording of the constitution and the laws the Founding Fathers passed, it was all directly inspired by Judeo-Christian beliefs.
jogeryjogo 5 months ago
They want to have THEIR religion in THEIR government as long as it's THEIR religious.
BlackFlashDrive 5 months ago
Good on him. Why should non-religious(smart)people have to endure that shit for everything?
slipknotjake 5 months ago 10
Only christian was allowed in this ceremony by quoting verses in the bible by the 2 President...To God be the glory in Jesus name.
adjvill 5 months ago
@adjvill There is no glory in 9/11. There is only evidence of a species that needs to wake up and become responsible if it is to survive much longer.
BrellK 5 months ago 5
Don't you love it when people preach about religious history and wars on youtube they don't have the facts or stats to back it up...Bloomberg might have done it to avoid confrontations among the incredible amount of people with different religious backgrounds in NYC
aLongdrive2theArctic 5 months ago
Bloomberg is a PC whore, like most libturds.
uzimodem 5 months ago
Bloombitch is a incompetent loser.
dgallegos4201 5 months ago
one nation, under God
98pneuma 5 months ago
People should have brought their own clergy and had a prayer service on their own. you dont need the city to privide it for you. How ever. The fact that there wasnt any clergy provided jsut proved to the muslum world that they did win. when we dont allow our selves to be our selves for the fear of offending someone we are slowly biolding our own prison. Sadly, this is a victory for the murderers that killed 3000 people in the name of their religion.
baracuss123 5 months ago
It it was religion that sent those fanatics to blow up the buildings. How ironic.
MrBric03 5 months ago
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YoureAlwaysRight 5 months ago
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YoureAlwaysRight 5 months ago
Banning the first responders was a sign of GUILT!
sikovit 5 months ago 2
Bloomberg is the Mayor....Yet He thinks "our Constitution" says separation of church and state? Where does it say that?...READ THE CONSTITUTION IDIOT!
sikovit 5 months ago
@sikovit You realize that the first amendment actually implies that right? I think it's hilarious that when it comes to religion or privacy, conservatives want a completely literal reading of the constitution. When it comes to gun rights and civil rights, they want just the opposite.
shalcall 5 months ago
@shalcall what it "implies" is that no religion can be dictated by the state. As in the King of england who was also in charge of the church. It does not mean that the government can not recognize the church. The founders certainly did and invoked god in the preamble! Liberals twist things to suit them disregarding facts AGAIN.
themunz126 5 months ago
@themunz126 Actually it does mean that the government can not officially recognize a religion as that would be a "law respecting an establishment of religion." Honestly, if you can read English, this is not difficult to understand. Jefferson understood it. I believe he was a founding father.
And no, the founders DID NOT invoke God in the preamble. God is not mentioned at any time in the entire constitution. If you don't believe me, read it.
shalcall 5 months ago
@shalcall Actually your clueless on the entire subject. What do you think the phrase "endowed by their Creator " means?
themunz126 5 months ago
@themunz126 Are you fucking kidding me? Do your parents shake their heads when you open your mouth in public? "Endowed by their Creator" is NOT in the constitution. That's in the Declaration of Independence. There are millions of immigrants in this country that know more about our history than you do. Just go away.
shalcall 5 months ago
@shalcall True that!...But Bloomberg is NOT a conservative . He is a democrat....There is NO left/right....Both sides take away our rights...look ...Obama Expanded Bush policies!
sikovit 5 months ago
I am disgusted that Police and Firefighters were not allowed to attend. They saved THOUSANDS of people on 9/11 at the risk of their own lives, hundreds dying in the process. It was a slap in their faces and shameful.
themunz126 5 months ago
@themunz126
Who is more important to remember, your family member who was murdered or those who tried to help?
If I was a firefighter I could understand that the day was for remembered of those who died, not those who survived. A family of a dead firefighter should get preference to a firefighter who survived. There are not just one day, but that particular day is for the dead.
Harizl 5 months ago
@Harizl You don't get it. Lots of survivors had family and friends that died there Including Police and firefighters. 1/6th of the dead WERE these people. 1/6th! And if not for them you would have had tens of thousands dead. This was guilt and anger at the Police and Fire by the mayor period.
themunz126 5 months ago
@themunz126
Being murdered is not the same as being killed in action.
If there is to be a line drawn so all parties can commemorate without becoming a crowded mess then I do not have a problem with having the day being about those who were not rescue workers and having that other vigil on another day.
There will be some overlap and exceptions, but this is pure logistics to allow everyone due time.
Would you rather it be a crowded clusterfuck or just call foul on the mayor?
Harizl 5 months ago
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@themunz126
Being murdered is not the same as being killed in action.
If there is to be a line drawn so all parties can commemorate without becoming a crowded mess then I do not have a problem with having the day being about those who were not rescue workers and having that other vigil on another day.
There will be some overlap and exceptions, but this is pure logistics to allow everyone due time.
Would you rather it be a crowded clusterfuck or just call foul on the mayor?
Harizl 5 months ago
@themunz126 No it wasn't. There is only LIMITED space. You cannot create space in NYC out of thin air. It's an island, the specific area is still under construction and you are surrounded by tall buildings. There is only so much space. So who gets priority? The families of the people who died, including families of firefighters and police who died, or the people who were blessed enough to have survived that day?
shalcall 5 months ago
@shalcall I understand about the space. But they didn't bother inviting many survivors who were in WTC either. It is disgraceful, disrespectful and politically motivated.
themunz126 5 months ago
@themunz126 How the fuck is it politically motivated? Families of the dead (you know, the ones whose names are actually on the memorial) got priority. Over 2700 people died in that location and they all had families. That's thousands upon thousands, plus the politicians (both Obama and Bush) plus the security detail for 2 U.S. Presidents, NY Senators and the Mayor.
You can't say you understand about the space and then say they should have invited more than they had space for.
shalcall 5 months ago
It doesn't make any sense to me banning clergy and first responders. They didn't not have to speak or participate in the tribute, but why ban them to be there to watch the ceremony?
quizerry 5 months ago
@quizerry
limited space, there are other days for those who were not family.
If my father had died there, I would certainly not want to be preached at while I am trying to remember him.
That day was for the murdered dead, not those who died in action doing their job.
Harizl 5 months ago
In US there are 38000 different christian groups/sect/etc - most of them stating that their points of view regarding the invisible sky-daddy in the imaginary heavens are the right one if you want to go to heaven as one the few chosen ones when doomsday come. The founding fathers did right to keep manmade religion out of politics - and Bloomberg is one of few politicians with courage to do the same.
mjusiqtube 5 months ago
The Univese just happened out of nothing First nothing then bam the universe.
Wow that makes so much sense
Atheists are stupid
2002lees 5 months ago
@2002lees
Interesting theist logic.
Let us apply it thusly now: [Name your flavor of god or omniscient being here] just happened out of nothing. First nothing and then bam [Name your flavor of god or omniscient being here].
Wow that makes so much sense
Theist are stupid
billwhite70 5 months ago
@SCHANyy You mean the fairtale that the universe just created itself out of nothing?
Yah i like that one
2002lees 5 months ago
Every single President in history has led a Chrisitan prayer at such events, including the one we have now.
Certainly our founding fathers didn't mean to prevent prayer in public when they in fact did it themselves
2002lees 5 months ago 2
Banning religious leaders is just a cop-out for why they banned 9/11 first responders. Distracting the real issue of the many serious illnesses and distrust the first responders have with the US gov't. You know Fox news or any other MSM news aren't going to ask the hard questions to their elitist buddies. Hmmm let's see how we can water this down? Duh RELIGION!!
fuel20 5 months ago
@fuel20 Fox News asks a lot of difficult questions from a variety of folks. Or, perhaps you have taken the time to notice. Or, your memory fails you if remembering why Fox News started, to challenge the liberal media that rarely ask hard questions of liberals. Just because Fox News asks hard questions to liberals doesn't make it innately conservative. It merely makes it more conservative, or perhaps balanced, than the innately liberal media.
RobCatts 5 months ago
@RobCatts Why are you telling me this? I could care less about the false left/right paradigm. They prop each other up with their lies. If it wasn't for democrats the republicans would fall flat on their face and if it wasnt for republicans the democrats would fall flat on their face. MSM doesn't give much credence to anyone who thinks outside their box. There once was Tea Party that was opposed to these wars and limited gov't, thanx to fox news it was hijacked by stinking neocons.
fuel20 5 months ago
@fuel20 I'm simply pointing out that your misrepresentation of Fox News is false. They DO ask hard questions of both Republicans and Democrats. You pretended they did not.
RobCatts 5 months ago
If you want to pray, fine, if you don't, fine. It doesn't mean we should have a public spectacle of it. Keep your delusions to yourself.
gotitans999 5 months ago
@gotitans999 You start first. lead the way.
2002lees 5 months ago
@2002lees The constitution beat me to it. Not many people seemed to notice our tax dollars funded a preaching service held yesterday by our President as he read passages from the bible. I'm curious how the Muslim victims felt.
gotitans999 5 months ago
@gotitans999
Muslims? at least it was their root-god.
how about the atheists who see it as a total waste of tax monies and an avoidance of the massive amounts of problems that keep propitiating while they are off praying?
Harizl 5 months ago
@Harizl Atheism has promoted as much or more bloodshed in USSR and other atheist regimes than Christianity or probably even Islam. Not all religions are equal in application of violence, and the religious views of atheism are no more innocent than others. Christianity went through a Dark Age of Biblical ignorance, and so have other religions, but many religious texts, when read, promote a respect or preservation for life. What does atheism have to offer? Please consider this when governing.
RobCatts 5 months ago
@RobCatts
If you think Atheism itself caused or lead to those so-called "atheist regimes" then you don't even understand that they were.
Atheism has man justifying it's actions upon the welfare of fellow man. There is nothing an atheist can do justified in the name of a deity or without honest examination of reality.
Atheism offers pure secularism and equal rights for all without denying reality due to dogma or justifying the unjustifiable with faith positions. Lacking religion is positive.
Harizl 5 months ago
@Harizl If Hitler killing Jews using Darwinist reasoning does not condemn Atheism, how can you condemn Christianity for Christians acting contrary to their religious text? Pure secularism nor Atheism have equal rights as an innate dogma. Equal rights is a Christian concept. Perhaps some other religions share this concept, but where does Darwin promote equal rights? What authoritative atheist texts promote a requirement for equal rights? How does a godless chaotic universe require any morality?
RobCatts 5 months ago
@RobCatts
I just wanted to point out that the science of evolutionary biology has nothing to do with Hitler. Hitler, in fact, supported Catholicism. All you have to read is his book Mein Kampf where he repeatedly talks about God. "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." - Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 chp 2. The slogan was “Gott Min Uns” meaning “God With Us”, a slogan that was worn on the belt buckle of every Nazi soldier.
TheSuchhikumar 5 months ago
@TheSuchhikumar Did Hitler not believe in a superior race? Is this not Darwinistic?
RobCatts 5 months ago
@RobCatts
Also you ask what authoritative atheist text promote equal rights. Atheism is simply the lack in belief in supernatural beings/Gods. It is not a set system of active beliefs, how can it be? Saying that atheism is a unified belief system is like saying NOT collecting stamps is a hobby.
As for equal rights, the famous secularist Thomas Paine wrote the main book for equal rights called "The Rights of Man " where as the Bible endorses slavery (Exodus 21:20-21)
TheSuchhikumar 5 months ago
@TheSuchhikumar You said, "Atheism has man justifying it's actions upon the welfare of fellow man," and, "Atheism offers pure secularism and equal rights for all," yet you say, "It is not a set system of active beliefs." These statements are not consistent.
RobCatts 5 months ago
@RobCatts
If you hold what you just said as reality, then there is nothing I can say that you will accept as worthy of consideration. You can go ahead to spin reality to suit your beliefs being everything is good, I won't fight your delusions.
As for your last question:
Morality in about the actions and interactions which effect others, if there was no one in the universe but yourself there would be nothing immoral you could to, but that is not our universe because others do exist.
Harizl 5 months ago
@Harizl I do not see how morality is necessary if there is no God. Without God, there is simply convenience and inconvenience.
RobCatts 5 months ago
@RobCatts
Morality is not contingent on a god, nor is it set in stone. Take a moment to consider that.
If I killed you and ate you, would it be moral?
That is all dependent on what is acceptable in my community.
Morality is about human interaction and what the society around us deems moral to do.
There are thousands of examples of this, take a few minutes to understand that unlike me you may have a completely different view not based on reality but upon preachment.
I don't find pork immoral.
Harizl 5 months ago
@Harizl On one hand, I agree with you that a community will determine what it thinks is moral. And, I agree with you that if morality is not determined by the opinion of a Creator god, then it is not at all set in stone. But, what I don't understand is why you assume there is no god to have an opinion, or why you diminish the theistic community moralities while elevating the atheistic community moralities while claiming that culture alone determines morality. How do you value a culture?
RobCatts 5 months ago
@RobCatts
I don't assume there is no god any more than you assume there is no invisible monkey on your back, the group positing a god or a monkey is the one who needs to support it, disbelief of a claim is the default, not belief.
I value a culture by what it has reasoned and justified in its social norms, not ones with a shred of faith-based-justification or baseless dogmatism. If someone wants to ignore reality when it comes to issues and judge by dogma, I have no time for such retardation.
Harizl 5 months ago
@RobCatts if you make decisions based on the fear of god or hell then your decision are based in self. no decision based in self has any moral value, read immanual kant. religion creates a state of moral decadence. that is, a state of non-growth.
mkrulic517439 5 months ago
@gotitans999 United States of America was founded by free men and women, most of which were self-proclaimed Christians. Their beliefs created your freedoms. If you don't have the proper character to respect the Christian freedoms you so enjoy, at least have the intellectual decency to read your Constitution before agreeing with Separation of Church and State. Respect your heritage, if you live in the United States of America. If not, don't lie about our heritage. Try speaking words of truth.
RobCatts 5 months ago
There have been other nations who have basically banned public displays of Christianity....Soviet Union, North Korea, Nazi Germany, Communist China to name a few. Look how they ended up treating human life. Anyone see a trend there?
1975saigon 5 months ago
@1975saigon Salem witch trials, inquisitions, abortion clinic bombings,...
mkrulic517439 5 months ago
@mkrulic517439 Salem witch trials--a small town of Puritans told to stop by a state of Puritans. Inquisitions--an organized religion practicing tyranny when the religious text of said religion was banned from common languages forcing a systemic ignorance on its people; this does not apply at all to America and is exactly the kind of reason America promoted freedom of (not from) religion. Abortion clinic bombings--condemned by the majority of Christians. Your suggestions are illogical.
RobCatts 5 months ago
@RobCatts "Look how they ended up treating human life. Anyone see a trend there?" yea I see a trend. religious people think they are superior because they half read a book. not the entire thing, if you read all of it and are not financially tied to the belief system you would become an atheist.
you reference a book that not only condones but endorses rape, slavery, genocide,...as a reference for morality. but I am the one illogical. lol
mkrulic517439 5 months ago
@mkrulic517439 I challenge you on your accusation that the Bible condones rape. Where? I can show you where rape is punishable by death--Deuteronomy 22:25. As for slavery in the Bible, the only slaves I know of were captured in war. This is not the same as American slavery fueled by kidnappings, nor does it ignore the humanity of the slaves. It would be more like enslaving those who attack us, and I don't see any evidence that it was consistently practiced or promoted in the New Testament.
RobCatts 5 months ago
@RobCatts Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT), Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14), Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB),...do you need more?
as for slavery let me put it this way, if your head was on fire and the only way to put it out was to own a slave BURN. I cant believe you are trying to spin slavery. as far as old or new testament the god of yesterday is the god of today is the god of tommorow. i.e, god is unchanging.
mkrulic517439 5 months ago
@mkrulic517439 If you look at these passages, especially Deuteronomy 21, you will notice that they are not immediately gratifying rape, but instead marriage in a polygamous, patriarchal culture, a cultural dynamic very common in that day, as was war slaves. What you might not have focused on is the number of protections for wives throughout the Torah law, protections that may have even seemed progressive for their time. As for slavery, it was servitude or death for the men, also very common.
RobCatts 5 months ago
@RobCatts now your trying to spin war crimes of the most horrific. call bad anything other than bad and you loose all credibility w/ the person you are talking to. "it was servitude or death for the men" this doesnt make it better.
mkrulic517439 5 months ago
Mayor Bloomberg did exactly the right thing.
obrmb560 5 months ago 53
@obrmb560 he's an idiot;having representatives of different faiths would have been excellent symbolism-and his saying some people might be offended-that doesn't pass any bullshit test;he's good at making money-but he's a very smug,arrogant guy..
mrbriscoe2001 5 months ago
Obviously anti-religion....Not good!
Zhaborable 5 months ago
He is an idiot. Ignorant ass. Stupid. And he is obviously anti-religion! We weren't expecting the moslems to be remembered or for them to participate...with that in mind, about 95.9% of us would've been satisfied with ANY Christian pastor participating and praying. Bloomie is an idiot. Plain and simple. He is making excuses and they are lame as hell.
Mikiseedo 5 months ago
bloomberg practiced his religion with this decision to ban religious aspects in the ceremony . his religion ? political correcteness
hihats 5 months ago
pc shit is killin this country
Panchee123 5 months ago 2
fuck you Nanny state Bloomberg
Panchee123 5 months ago
he did the right thing
blackcreekghost 5 months ago
Fuck all religion.
Michaelpatrickwarren 5 months ago
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@Michaelpatrickwarren Nice mouth... you kiss your mother with that mouth?
Zhaborable 5 months ago
This is crazy. The words "Separation of Church and State" is written Nowhere in the Consitution.
KDandDL 5 months ago 2
@KDandDL Not only is it NOT written in our Constitution, when the subject was being addressed, back in the 1700's, the conversation had NOTHING to do with what Bloomberg or the dimwit/libtards like to preach. Period! "Separation of Church and State" is being twisted and used for people who need excuses, like Bloomberg. Idiot.
Mikiseedo 5 months ago
Bloomberg emphasized that "Separation of Church and State" is in the Constitution and used it to separate religion and State. Twice! Hold the press! "Separation of Church and State" is not in the Constitution. For all you who incorrectly think it is, search the Constitution, I dare you. Then, if you have time, read the Supreme Court rulings prior to 1960's. You'll find that Bloomberg is not only in error but also in blatant contrast with original applications of our First Amendment freedoms.
RobCatts 5 months ago
@RobCatts Thank you...you said that so much better than I did! :D :D :D
Mikiseedo 5 months ago
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RobCatts 5 months ago
Guess i will be the asshole and say this and say that I totally agree with Bloomberg's decision on this. So many people are impacted by this that you can't get them all together at once. Has to be spread out. In regards to religion, I don't think this is the place for religion at all
bryantjb 5 months ago 39
Bloomie uses "Separation of church and state" as his defense against inviting clergy, religiious leaders and first responsders to the 9/11 10th Anniversary memorial. So what now, Mr. Mayor, God shouldn't bless America?!!
marvillou 5 months ago
I thought it was great how Bloomberg bans religion from the event and Rudy quotes Ecclesiastes right in his face, Rudy never gives an inch . Bloomberg suffers iwhen you compare the two.
jgranger3532 5 months ago
JERK comes to mind...
1FatHobbit 5 months ago
Bloomberg = Marxist...End Of Story.
thegreatedifier 5 months ago
I'm an atheist but I gotta say Bloomberg is an a-hole. He should've invited people from all religions and of course the rescue workers.
LocoGroove 5 months ago
It is sad there are people in this country like Bloomberg who think we are so incapable of living in dignity with others who are different that we need to just ignore any differences. I am Christian, you might be Muslim, according to Bloomberg, that means we can't have respect for each other and for the differences in how we identify ourselves and the religious symbols and believes we use to explain tragic events like this. It would have been better to ban politicians.
harlananelson 5 months ago
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Tell the founding fathers that if they had a Christian prayer then they have to have a Muslim one. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hahahahaha. They wouldn't even consider it.
Sauls2286 5 months ago
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Sauls2286 5 months ago
F you bloomturd!
bryanjimg 5 months ago
We're busy beating this guy up when really he is protecting us, but just can't say so.
If he were to allow clergy, he would have to also allow a Muslim Imam. And can you see the uproar with that? Can you see how insulting it would be that a religious leader representing the religion in whose name this heinous act was committed?
He did us a favor.
Highspeed110 5 months ago
@Highspeed110
WOW.
Bloomberg does no one a favor except favors for himself.
I see good muslims. Muslims that don't practice sharia law nor the clergy that promote it. Some spoke and attended Glenn Becks Restoring Courage.
There are plenty of muslim pastors that actually promote peace and unity with christians and jews but you refuse to see it.
yet this ceremony does not have to allow any Imam's. Only the politicly correct use that argument. Congratulations on being a coward and gutless.
LoveBringsTruth 5 months ago
@LoveBringsTruth
This is the difference between you & I. I posted a possible reason for his decision, a decision I had not seen anyone else post. I called no one any names and did not make it personal.
You chose to call me two names. How is this demonstrating the 'love' your username describes?
And do not misinterpret as anything other than one POSSIBLE political reality. It does not have to be a spiritual reality.
Highspeed110 5 months ago
There's nothing more Godless than a secular Jew.
fujakma 5 months ago
Separation of Church and state was to protect the *CHURCH* from the *GOVERNMENT*, NOT the other way around. I can't stand when people pull that card.
ABRMetalHead 5 months ago
Bloombergis an idiot.
WELanning 5 months ago
I wish these people would stop quoting Thomas Jefferson. He was not the author of the Constitution. He wasn't even a signer. The separation of Church and State he is credited with was in a letter he wrote to the Danbury Baptist Association, not a part of the government.
korrde 5 months ago
"Congress shall pass no law regarding the establishment of a religion" Is Bloomberg congress? is the local government of NYC the US Congress? is having religious leaders in the ceremony same as "establishing" a religion? where is the so called knowledge of these people?
userut66 5 months ago
The point of Separation is To Prevent Congress of the United States: (nothing is said about Local or State Goverments) from Establishing a specific religion. this clause has no place in this case, because what was being asked of the major was to allowed Religious leaders to be represented formally within the activities, Nobody was asking him to Establish a religion.
behind this is hatred for Christianity plain and simple.
userut66 5 months ago
correction *mayor @userut66
userut66 5 months ago
I'd like for Bloomberg to be asked why it is Congress, where actual laws are written, has prayer at the start of every meeting & yet somehow it's wrong to have religious references at a ceremony of remembrance.
2010GOP 5 months ago
People like Bloomberg are exactly what is wrong with America. Get out.
Sauls2286 5 months ago
@Sauls2286 how is religious tolerance "everything that is wrong with America"?not everyone in the United States is a Christian.so why should we have your religion shoved down our throats?because i'm pretty sure you'd bitch and moan if, at the ceremony, they had everyone kneel down on islamic prayer rugs and do their midday prayers
doctoralukcaj 5 months ago
The Constitution says that the Congress can make no law that makes any religious institutition more respective than any other.
It does not say everyone has to leave their religion behind when dealing with anything connected to a government agency.
Our founding Fathers certainaly didn't seperate their religious beliefs from public life, they certainly didn't mean us to do it.
2002lees 5 months ago 2
If there was no conspiracy in the world, does it not occur to you that we would be living in much more peaceful, harmonious, and prosperous world? When a criminal is arrested, he/she is very likely to cry "conspiracy theorists" to his accusers. Think not?? Thats right all of those in prison are innocent. Some of them may well be, but at least 90% of them are not.
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
Bloomberg is a nut.
2002lees 5 months ago
Of course, the comments with religious favoritism in videos such as these get the high ratings because the community of the world is, unfortunately, majorly ignorantly religious.
ipwnagraphy 5 months ago
Matthew 6:1-34 “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ...
granma4418 5 months ago
@granma4418: WOW ~ the ignorance of some in this nation is just mind-blowing.
Yes, afforded asylum. The U.S. Govt doesn't send people to the guillotine for being a non-believer.
According to you, prayer in church is wrong since it's not in secret. And the hypocrites the scripture is referring to are those like Obama who only use Christianity as a tool to try & push their agenda, like healthcare, yet sleep very easily at night after defending every type of barbaric abortion imaginable.
2010GOP 5 months ago
@granma4418 Sorry, I jumped the gun.
irreverentreverend 5 months ago
Matthew 6:6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Mark 6:46 And after he had taken leave of them, he went up on the mountain to pray.
Matthew 14:23 And after he had dismissed the crowds, he went up on the mountain by himself to pray. When evening came, he was there alone.
granma4418 5 months ago
@granma4418 You forgot verse 5: Mathew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward.
irreverentreverend 5 months ago
For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." - Patrick Henry..in a nutshell, separation of church and state means just that. We are free to worship as we choose. It goes against the constitution to make a law saying we must follow any prescribed religion. However, none of this applies here. Bloomberg is wrong, as I've already stated.
granma4418 5 months ago
@granma4418: Yes, the U.S. Govt won't send someone to the guillotine for being an Atheist. Why is that so difficult to grasp? And as far as your prayer in secret, I suppose you believe that people shouldn't pray in church either.
The ignorance of some in this nation is mind-blowing
2010GOP 5 months ago
George Washington (Cont'd)
"offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord.. whether in public or private, to perform our several and relative duties properly .. to render our government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed, to protect and guide .. and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord. To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue"
2010GOP 5 months ago
I would highly recommend the book: "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion," and you can read for yourself what this ilk of sons of bitches has done and has in store for America. When the Bolsheviks seized power in Russia in the set-up of the USSR, all of those who were found with a copy of this book were executed.
When has the media or the government ever told you the truth?
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
@Seraph7771000 You do realize, of course, that 'The Protocols' has been exposed as a fraud for years. Right?
irreverentreverend 5 months ago
@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth. You are going to Hell with Jew-boy Bloomberg!!
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
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@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth. You are going to Hell with Jew-boy Bloomberg!!
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
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@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth. You are going to Hell with Jew-boy Bloomberg!!
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
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@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth. You are going to Hell with Jew-boy Bloomberg!
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
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@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth. You are going to Hell with Jew-boy Bloomberg!
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
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@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth. You are going to Hell with Jew-boy Bloomberg!
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
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@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth. You are going to Hell with Jew-boy Bloomberg!
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
@irreverentreverend What a fine "fraud" for a 100+ year old book that one can read and see with their own eyes as witness to it happening now as it has already happened. Pretty damn good for a "fraud." As long as there are Canaanite Cockroaches like you around, truth will be "fraud," for truth is hate to those who hate the Truth.
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
@Seraph7771000 There are also people who still believe the earth is flat, 'The DaVinci Code' is evidence of masonic conspiracy, the sun revolves around the earth, the earth is the center of the universe and the Vikings will someday win the Super Bowl.
As for cockroaches, they are evolutionary survivors.
irreverentreverend 5 months ago
@irreverentreverend Both the Bible and the Book of Enoch reveal and prove the earth is spherical. Also that life on earth was created by "Extra Terrestrials." Revealing what is otherwise unexplained, "alien," and "unidentified" to the ignorant and/or ill-informed world.
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
@irreverentreverend I get the esoteric of the DaVinci Code; Masonry is Judaism, and has done humanity no favors. I am well understand in symbolism and similacrum.
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
@irreverentreverend What I understand about the Bible is not the organized relgion of "Judeo-Christianity," which is not Christianity, but the world's biggest oxymoron. Judaism and Christianity are opposites. The traditions of the Pharisees, which Jesus rebuked them regularly for, were contrary to the Bible, as you can read in His interactions with them. Just as Science is not the opposite of Creation, but is the Knowledge of Creation. The Genesis account is in line with the fossil record.
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
@irreverentreverend For example: the "7 Day" account: what geology cuts up into several different epochs, the Bible account cuts up into 6 Days. The collision of spacerocks: an orb without form and void, the cooling, the release of gases forming the atomosphere, the release of water vapor then condensing to liquid forming the deep, which God "hovered" over. More primitive life on earth before more complex. Dinosaurs are not mentioned because the Bible is not about dinosaurs, but mankind.
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
@irreverentreverend The Israelites followed a deliberately moving and stopping object out of Egypt that appeared as a "cloud" by day, and a "fire" by night. And what was that object doing in Egypt in the first place? "Sons of God" of Genesis 6 were on the earth and did build the pyramids. Some of them did what was forbidden and crossbred with human women. Angels in their natural bodies are neither male nor female, but they can MAKE human bodies, as God is a genetic engineer.
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
@irreverentreverend Jesus Himself, was made of the Father as bio-engineered sperm cell implanted into the womb of a pure virgin woman named Mary. Thus the "Star of Bethlehem" was more than just celestial signs, but a visitation, as you can read that Angels appeared to the shepherds in the fields. Jesus also ascended into a "Cloud," as He will also descended from the same "Cloud." Saul of Tarsus saw a blinding light, and heard a identifying voice on the road to Damascus.
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
@irreverentreverend There is a lot in the Bible that people are kept dumbed down about by the powers that be. So I can understand even why people find religion disgusting, because the devil is just as happy if you worship him, as he is happy that you deny his, and therefore God's existence. That way he has you deceived either way.
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
George Washington - 1st public address in celebration of the new Government:
"to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor .. Whereas both Houses of Congress have requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God"
How could that be?
2010GOP 5 months ago
This man is a total and complete moron, not only about the lie of the separation of Church and state being in the constitution, but about his worthless excuse of not having clergy at the memorial. Well, I hate to say this, but NY, YOU voted for this lunatic. He's all yours, enjoy!
FOTBC 5 months ago
the constitution merely prevents a state sponsored church like the church of england. It has been bastardized over the years in liberal speak to mean the prohibition of anything religious. Methinks that many lawmakers need a course in the constitution
conleyjudy 5 months ago
This is the reason...I said a pray...thought of the victims and did not watch any of the politically and media charged ceremonies.
ajbruno14 5 months ago
How do dip shits like this get elected in America.? Oh wait, LIBERALS!!!...
145Slap789 5 months ago
I believe that our founding fathers main intent was to ensure we did not fall into a dictatorship.Favoring one religion over another provide the path to a dictatorship. I find it hard to believe that Christians want God in the pledge and pray in school, yet fail to understand that if the tables turned and we had leaders who subscribed to a religion other than Christianity, they could dictate that we follow their religion. It's a dangerous precedent that could turn on a dime.
granma4418 5 months ago
@granma4418:
"The Bible is the rock on which this Republic rests" - Andrew Jackson
"It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible" - George Washington
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." - Patrick Henry
2010GOP 5 months ago
When the video description is full of lies, the uploader loses all credibility.
ahachie 5 months ago
Separation of Church and State is not spelled out in the constitution, per say, but it does exist. Jefferson was merely saying..this is what it means. However it does not apply here, the idiot is not making a law. It's a lame excuse for not including them, but no worries. This too shall not be forgotten.
granma4418 5 months ago
@granma4418: Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists was simply stating that taxpayer dollars shouldn't be allocated to one religion, i.e. denomination, as in "Baptists". If money was then not given to Lutherans, Methodists, etc., it would be the same as endorsing one specific religion.
People should ponder on Jefferson's writings, etched into the walls of the Jefferson Memorial. He trembled for his country who would one day try & omit God from our founding principles.
2010GOP 5 months ago
@2010GOP
Ah ok, so Jefferson wanted government to endorse God when he talked about a separation between church and state? That was basically the gist of it, right? Nice revisionist history there. Did you by any chance go to Glenn Beck's college or anything?
sverrir48 5 months ago
@sverrir48: Why don't you learn to read & comprehend instead of using your energy to post childish & ignorant BS? Earlier, you were ignorant enough to claim that the Founders were not Protestant, unbeknownst to you that the information is at the Library of Congress & National Archives. Now, in your desperation, you post another immature comment, completely ignoring Jefferson's own words. Grow up. And please educate yourself while you're at it.
2010GOP 5 months ago
@2010GOP
They were not all protestants. Tell me what denomination C. Carroll, D. Carroll, Fitzsimons, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine belonged to. Go ahead. Waltz down to the Library of Congress you joker and tell me these guys were bona fide protestants. Don't know if it's sad or funny that you can't write a single comment without proclaiming your deep knowledge on the issue and telling others to look things, when you BS your ass off and apparently don't know jack.
sverrir48 5 months ago
@sverrir48: So you are a tad bit knowledgeable with your ability to point out the only 2 Catholics whose principles were the same as Protestants' (their leadership roles heavily debated on the on-set). Oh, and by the way, Franklin & Jefferson were Episcopalian & Paine was Unitarian.
2010GOP 5 months ago
BLOOMBERG & LARRY SILVERSTEIN UR DAY IS GONNA COME.
666ASTANA 5 months ago
Adolf Hitler was a Jew that banned Christian chaplains in the German military.
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
@Seraph7771000 Adolph Hitler was a christian. Read Mein Kampf.
He felt he was doing god's work by eliminating the jews and other 'undesirables'.
irreverentreverend 5 months ago
@irreverentreverend: Hitler's ultimate plan was to destroy Christianity ~ don't you know by now that his actions in public were nothing but a guise for his real motives? Read, "The Nazi Master Plan, Annex 4: The Persecution of the Christian Churches"
2010GOP 5 months ago
@irreverentreverend Yeah right!! A Jewish lie!! Judaism goal is to eliminate Christianity and Christians. Talmudic Judaism is not the religion of the OT, but it's opposite. It is the traditions that the Pharisees kept; Saul of Tarsus slaughtered many Christians, before His conversion experience and His name was to Paul. The Anti-Christ Jews are out to do no less than the same today. I could careless about Mein Kempf, if I had a copy, I would burn it. Read the Bible, before the Jews outlaw it.
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
Thomas Jefferson's clarification of the 'Establishment Clause':
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."
Thomas Jefferson
Jan. 1, 1802
From his letter to the Danbury Baptists Association
irreverentreverend 5 months ago
THAT'S RIGHT BLOOMBERG PUSH GOD AWAY FOR NYC,,,HAVE A NICE TRIP FUCKO, NICE TO KNOW YA WOULDN'T WANT TO BE YA. ..ZIONIST / ILLUMINATI SCREWHEAD KENITE.
666ASTANA 5 months ago
The only Constitution that the phrase "Separation of Church and State" appears in is that of the USSR, of which all the founders of that monster were all JEWS.
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
Bloomberg: Filthy Anti-Christ Jewish Bastard!!
Seraph7771000 5 months ago
Doesn’t New York State have a three strikes your out law?
Strike 1. Anti Second Amendment
Strike 2. Anti Police / Fire
Strike 3. Anti Religious, yet PRO- Islamic Mosque Supporter.
Need we say any more about the Mayor????
LordAtrocities 5 months ago
No where in the constitution does it say there is a separation of Church and State. This man is just catering to the muslims. Other people, would be offended because of their religion. What religion is that Mr.Bloomburg?
furiesego 5 months ago
The mayor's reaction still doesn't make sense to me.
Illia2 5 months ago
Bloomberg is simply IGNORANT of what is in the Constitution, as is many Americans. Please, people, READ the Constitution! While you're at it, study American history and read all the related documents and writings of our Founding Fathers - especially the letters between the Danbury Baptists and Thomas Jefferson, because THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL FIND THAT PHRASE - IN A PRIVATE LETTER
lsnzamar 5 months ago