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@charlrogers1990 and also I dont know but you seem to be a good golfer and a tip is to not go to big brands for clubs since the heads are massproduced and sometimes have little airbubbles in them just some tip on some rly good brands are: irons, vega, miura (tiger played with miura during his titleist time logo was just put on them) and driver are hands down nakashima:) we tried all last years big brands driver heads in a machine and no one was close to spinn launchangle and distance as naka:)
@charlrogers1990 yeah I have been to one lab here in sweden but it wasnt just one brand it was TM nike an callaway and I was going to check a driver with all three of them and neither one of them was going to spine my shaft if I was going to buy one some didnt even know what spining a shaft means
@charlrogers1990 straight up! but dont go to nike taylor made or whatever go to a neutral club fitting pro. I went to a leasson in club fitting for a year with swedens best club fitters and I have met all the club fitting "bosses" in sweden from all the big brands and I´ll tell you they sure are muppets:P
Hey Asian Golf guy, tjack2themax527 is correct. In the slow motion sequence, Casey is on his toes during these swings. I imagine when Casey saw these swings, he corrected that problem.
@asiangolfguy yeah, you talk like you've never critiqued someone superior to you. dumbass. yeah he's a pro, but there is a problem in all of their swings. footwork is one of paul casey's. once again.
he needs to keep his right foot down more at impact.
@tjack2themax527 nothing wrong with his footwork he starts his downswing by lifting his right foot this is the start of weight transfer and creates lag which his were his awesome power comes from what does it matter anyway as long as the ball ends up were its meant to and it does! thats why hes top 10 in the world jeeeeeeeeees!
@asiangolfguy Well I guess that means the golf instructors should not even be out there? One thing I don't like about alot of pros the way they swing is the foot action. However, alot of them can get away with it because they are so strong in other areas. The only critique I would give Paul Casey is that he lifts his right foot to soon. The right foot should stay anchored through impact!! I know the guy hits the ball pure and long, but it is still a swing fault.
@MrLuigiFercotti For sure! Don't you just hate having to say "works for him" just to stop people saying to you "Yeah cus your swing is better isn't it, how many PGA Tour titles have you won"... It obviously works for him, but that doesn't mean we can't critique it
What people don't get is that most guys make it tour not because of the technical aspect of their swings, but the great hand-eye coordination, balance and tempo, deft putting, and feel these guys have.
@baka86 thats not that interesting as you think many golfers from the 50s to the 70s lifted the left leg for more power and proper foot working, all you would have to do is to plant that left foot down flat to start your down swing
I want to iterate what I think is the alternative. The sequencing and motions are all very similar, except the player doesn't quite get the arms out in front as much, they retain a lot of angle in their right arm and the club stays cocked much further into the downswing. This power is released right at the ball in the uncocking of the right wrist and arm. The shoulders need to be contained in this style of swing so the face can square up. More powerful, but far less consistent.
You make really good points about that very subject in your other posts though. If you are going to rotate thru, as opposed to stopping the shoulder turn and flipping the arms over, you have to really get the arms and club out in front of you coming down, and to do that the arms and shoulders can't move together. A lot of people think this is casting, but if you swing the club on plane, and sequence your body athletically you really can't cast.
Good discussion, I like the debunking of some of the "one plane theory." I wouldn't really agree with what you say about the shoulder's being "contained" on the downswing. My favorite swings, where the body mostly controls the release the body rotates hard thru the ball, e.g. Allenby, Harrington, Z. Johnson. The only reason a player has to "hold back the shouders" is if their arm swing isn't timed properly with the body rotation.
These vids from the US PGA are great , u can compare all the different swings from the same angles and is really helpful for someone has inexperienced as i am who is trying to coach his son. My boy got onto the practice ground at Turnberry during the Open and chatted wt most of the pros including Mr Casey he was really nice . It really goes to show that no two swings are exactly the same and it is the position of the club at contact with the ball that counts.
This cat absolutely smashes the ball! watched him at the shell houston open, playing with John Senden and Geoff Ogilvy. On hole 6 Senden hit driver perfect and everybody was ooh and aah; Casey pulls out 3 wood smashes it about a foot next to Senden's ball. The sound of his impact is unreal!
Stop at :44 and look how far his shoulders are still aimed to the right while his arms are swinging down, just before impact.
I used to get a lot of disagreement about this when I was teaching, but to me that's maybe the one thing I see in almost all good swings and almost no bad swings--shoulders staying contained on the downswing until very late. To someone who hasn't been doing it, it feels like your shoulders are closed to the target even at impact. Can't get fully released otherwise.
Check where Tiger is until waist-high on the downswing and even beyond--and how much the hands separate from the right shoulder early in the downswing. If you don't, you're over the top. It's a myth that the shoulders, arms, and trunk should move forward as a unit on the downswing. They're moving at the same time, because you have to move shoulders and torso to support the arm swing, but they're not moving at the same rate, and the shoulders shouldn't be dragging the arms.
Well I would say that because of the inclination of the spine angle, the shoulders as you say 'drag' or rather pull down the arms is a result of the hips and lower body unwinding and pulling down the hands to impact. I believe that there is no independent rate because the unwinding of the hips pulls down the upper torso, shoulders and arms, just like in the backswing the rotation of the shoulders pulls the hips and knees back, and there is no independent rate of hip and knee rotation going back
I understand that's the theory, and it's quite possible that somebody who's already learned to swing the arms and club and to release the club from the forearms (and wrists, dep. on various factors) feels that the arms & hands are "passive" on the downswing, that's it's all pull and rotation, etc. But in terms of pure physical observation and fact (as opposed to feel), that's not what's happening.
In virtually every good player's swing, the independent swinging of the arms downward starts right at the outset of the downswing or so fractionally thereafter that it's not possible to have been caused by rotation. You can see this in a DTL view of almost any good player's swing, where the hands and forearms are moving downward (on plane) independently, away from the right shoulder, right from the start of the downswing much earlier than rotation could have caused.
(part 3--sorry, should've labeled part 2, which begins with "In virtually..."):
If you hold the entire upper structure (including arms and club) exactly as it is at the top of the swing, keeping the hands in the exact same relationship to the right shoulder, and then simply rotate, you'll find that the club has to go outside and on a steep angle down to the ball--the very definition of over the top.
Don't misunderstand--I'm not saying the rotation is passive, or that the shoulders don't add some strength to the motion of the arms. I'm saying that the rotation of the trunk and the movement of the shoulders can't be the _cause_ of the swinging of the arms and club without a complete distortion of path and plane, and a deterioration of contact. I understand this goes against a lot of current theory, but it's in agreement with a lot longer-standing theory.
You're wasting your time with these idiots, man, you're knowledge is way to advanced for their 'latest craze' type of minds. You're right on with what you're saying....
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jupucmad 5 months ago
In slow mo it sounds like he whacked an old paint can.
blozzy22 6 months ago
I love the sound of impact in slow-mo
xNIKEGOLFx 7 months ago
@charlrogers1990 and also I dont know but you seem to be a good golfer and a tip is to not go to big brands for clubs since the heads are massproduced and sometimes have little airbubbles in them just some tip on some rly good brands are: irons, vega, miura (tiger played with miura during his titleist time logo was just put on them) and driver are hands down nakashima:) we tried all last years big brands driver heads in a machine and no one was close to spinn launchangle and distance as naka:)
TheSwdishAtheist 7 months ago
@charlrogers1990 yeah I have been to one lab here in sweden but it wasnt just one brand it was TM nike an callaway and I was going to check a driver with all three of them and neither one of them was going to spine my shaft if I was going to buy one some didnt even know what spining a shaft means
TheSwdishAtheist 7 months ago
@charlrogers1990 straight up! but dont go to nike taylor made or whatever go to a neutral club fitting pro. I went to a leasson in club fitting for a year with swedens best club fitters and I have met all the club fitting "bosses" in sweden from all the big brands and I´ll tell you they sure are muppets:P
TheSwdishAtheist 8 months ago
swing like this guy and you ll be in good shape, check it out, Alessandro Melle Swing
mralemelle 8 months ago
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jamieplattgolf 1 year ago
he pops up his left foot at the top of his swing... thats weird. iv seen bubba do that but he rapes it.
9999Michigan9999 1 year ago
The clubhead looks like it is square for like a food after the ball is gone WOW.
IHARTPIE 1 year ago
@Eaglesman12 no actually Paul likes to draw the ball more but he can hit left to right when he wants to
AKFAN47 1 year ago
i would imagine he likes to work the ball left to right
Eaglesman12 1 year ago
Hey Asian Golf guy, tjack2themax527 is correct. In the slow motion sequence, Casey is on his toes during these swings. I imagine when Casey saw these swings, he corrected that problem.
davehegan 1 year ago
he needs to keep his right foot down more at impact.
tjack2themax527 1 year ago
@tjack2themax527 stop giving tips to pros
asiangolfguy 1 year ago 14
@asiangolfguy yeah, you talk like you've never critiqued someone superior to you. dumbass. yeah he's a pro, but there is a problem in all of their swings. footwork is one of paul casey's. once again.
he needs to keep his right foot down more at impact.
tjack2themax527 1 year ago
@tjack2themax527 nothing wrong with his footwork he starts his downswing by lifting his right foot this is the start of weight transfer and creates lag which his were his awesome power comes from what does it matter anyway as long as the ball ends up were its meant to and it does! thats why hes top 10 in the world jeeeeeeeeees!
ljwartuk 1 year ago
@asiangolfguy Well I guess that means the golf instructors should not even be out there? One thing I don't like about alot of pros the way they swing is the foot action. However, alot of them can get away with it because they are so strong in other areas. The only critique I would give Paul Casey is that he lifts his right foot to soon. The right foot should stay anchored through impact!! I know the guy hits the ball pure and long, but it is still a swing fault.
watertonrivers 9 months ago
i really like that paul lets his hips turn in the backswing.
a swing a regular golfer can try to emulate.
naflack 1 year ago
Whoa, pops up on his toes right before impact. Him and Laura Davies. Must be an English thing. LOL.
Wouldn't recommend it, but it works for him.
MrLuigiFercotti 1 year ago
@MrLuigiFercotti For sure! Don't you just hate having to say "works for him" just to stop people saying to you "Yeah cus your swing is better isn't it, how many PGA Tour titles have you won"... It obviously works for him, but that doesn't mean we can't critique it
bucko06 1 year ago
@MrLuigiFercotti
Everyone loves to cite the exception.
What people don't get is that most guys make it tour not because of the technical aspect of their swings, but the great hand-eye coordination, balance and tempo, deft putting, and feel these guys have.
MrLuigiFercotti 1 year ago 5
@baka86 thats not that interesting as you think many golfers from the 50s to the 70s lifted the left leg for more power and proper foot working, all you would have to do is to plant that left foot down flat to start your down swing
helenathena 1 year ago
@helenathena thats right but what is interesting is the way it lifts up again at impact
themothmanreturns 1 year ago
Interesting to see the feet movement there. Especially his left foot.
baka86 1 year ago
I want to iterate what I think is the alternative. The sequencing and motions are all very similar, except the player doesn't quite get the arms out in front as much, they retain a lot of angle in their right arm and the club stays cocked much further into the downswing. This power is released right at the ball in the uncocking of the right wrist and arm. The shoulders need to be contained in this style of swing so the face can square up. More powerful, but far less consistent.
kingly71 1 year ago
You make really good points about that very subject in your other posts though. If you are going to rotate thru, as opposed to stopping the shoulder turn and flipping the arms over, you have to really get the arms and club out in front of you coming down, and to do that the arms and shoulders can't move together. A lot of people think this is casting, but if you swing the club on plane, and sequence your body athletically you really can't cast.
kingly71 1 year ago
Good discussion, I like the debunking of some of the "one plane theory." I wouldn't really agree with what you say about the shoulder's being "contained" on the downswing. My favorite swings, where the body mostly controls the release the body rotates hard thru the ball, e.g. Allenby, Harrington, Z. Johnson. The only reason a player has to "hold back the shouders" is if their arm swing isn't timed properly with the body rotation.
kingly71 1 year ago
These vids from the US PGA are great , u can compare all the different swings from the same angles and is really helpful for someone has inexperienced as i am who is trying to coach his son. My boy got onto the practice ground at Turnberry during the Open and chatted wt most of the pros including Mr Casey he was really nice . It really goes to show that no two swings are exactly the same and it is the position of the club at contact with the ball that counts.
blackthorncs 2 years ago 2
This cat absolutely smashes the ball! watched him at the shell houston open, playing with John Senden and Geoff Ogilvy. On hole 6 Senden hit driver perfect and everybody was ooh and aah; Casey pulls out 3 wood smashes it about a foot next to Senden's ball. The sound of his impact is unreal!
bharnage 2 years ago
Stop at :44 and look how far his shoulders are still aimed to the right while his arms are swinging down, just before impact.
I used to get a lot of disagreement about this when I was teaching, but to me that's maybe the one thing I see in almost all good swings and almost no bad swings--shoulders staying contained on the downswing until very late. To someone who hasn't been doing it, it feels like your shoulders are closed to the target even at impact. Can't get fully released otherwise.
emncaity 2 years ago
Check where Tiger is until waist-high on the downswing and even beyond--and how much the hands separate from the right shoulder early in the downswing. If you don't, you're over the top. It's a myth that the shoulders, arms, and trunk should move forward as a unit on the downswing. They're moving at the same time, because you have to move shoulders and torso to support the arm swing, but they're not moving at the same rate, and the shoulders shouldn't be dragging the arms.
emncaity 2 years ago
Well I would say that because of the inclination of the spine angle, the shoulders as you say 'drag' or rather pull down the arms is a result of the hips and lower body unwinding and pulling down the hands to impact. I believe that there is no independent rate because the unwinding of the hips pulls down the upper torso, shoulders and arms, just like in the backswing the rotation of the shoulders pulls the hips and knees back, and there is no independent rate of hip and knee rotation going back
samimalmstrom 2 years ago
I understand that's the theory, and it's quite possible that somebody who's already learned to swing the arms and club and to release the club from the forearms (and wrists, dep. on various factors) feels that the arms & hands are "passive" on the downswing, that's it's all pull and rotation, etc. But in terms of pure physical observation and fact (as opposed to feel), that's not what's happening.
emncaity 2 years ago
In virtually every good player's swing, the independent swinging of the arms downward starts right at the outset of the downswing or so fractionally thereafter that it's not possible to have been caused by rotation. You can see this in a DTL view of almost any good player's swing, where the hands and forearms are moving downward (on plane) independently, away from the right shoulder, right from the start of the downswing much earlier than rotation could have caused.
emncaity 2 years ago
(part 3--sorry, should've labeled part 2, which begins with "In virtually..."):
If you hold the entire upper structure (including arms and club) exactly as it is at the top of the swing, keeping the hands in the exact same relationship to the right shoulder, and then simply rotate, you'll find that the club has to go outside and on a steep angle down to the ball--the very definition of over the top.
emncaity 2 years ago
(part 4:)
Don't misunderstand--I'm not saying the rotation is passive, or that the shoulders don't add some strength to the motion of the arms. I'm saying that the rotation of the trunk and the movement of the shoulders can't be the _cause_ of the swinging of the arms and club without a complete distortion of path and plane, and a deterioration of contact. I understand this goes against a lot of current theory, but it's in agreement with a lot longer-standing theory.
emncaity 2 years ago
Continued
Its simply a reaction to the rotation of the body. In case I misinterpreted your point, apologies.
samimalmstrom 2 years ago
Sorry, make that :43--it's at the point where the club is not quite to impact yet.
emncaity 2 years ago
You're wasting your time with these idiots, man, you're knowledge is way to advanced for their 'latest craze' type of minds. You're right on with what you're saying....
Cloondolkoyne 1 year ago
Agreed. Nobody in the world is working on a "heels-in-the-air" theory of powering through impact.
emncaity 2 years ago
clearly paul casey is, and its working for him.... much like it works for me.
brmiau 2 years ago
is it me, or does he have a really strong grip
NikeGolf35 2 years ago
i think he just has really muscular hands, like his fore arms lol
Maisman91 2 years ago
at 0:44 look how both his heels are in the air!
he's really powering through at impact
thats amazing
robbenandronaldo 2 years ago
didnt he pull out on wednesday or something like that?
AlexH09 2 years ago
great swing, and great quality
NikeGolf35 2 years ago
love the quality
eaglegolfer808 2 years ago 2