Maya, I think the reason why half the world is in suffering is because of free will. We are actually choosing to suffer. And as a collective we are forcing our choice to suffer on others who may actually be choosing to be full of life and joy.
@ciceroji free will does not exists - everything is pre-program.half of this world didn't chose to starve - this is their life cause they got born to it. the Elite (us with Internet access) chose for them to continue starving to death cause we are not standing up for them and actually establish equal money system that force everyone to get a dignify life.
@MayaHarelHere free will does and does not exist. It depends on from where the reality is being perceived. As a awakened being when you look at an average person they are totally following a program, Yes. However, if you throw into their program the concept of the program they can then "choose" to become more aware of the program. This choice can be interpreted as a higher level program to a certain degree, but it remains a choice. Starting to FEEL energies programming adds insight
@ciceroji the ONLY choice that exists is to be Self Honest or to be Self Dishonest. when one Choose to walk the path of changing/deprogram oneself into principles of Equality - one Chose it in every single breath one take. There is only ONE reality - the physical reality and Any FEELing one has - is of the mind.
Check out Desteni materiel for better understanding.
@MayaHarelHere Yes, there is only one reality but what we call the physical reality is a tiny fragment of reality. We limit the physical reality to what we normally perceive with our five senses. The only reason these senses are accepted is most people have eyes. I have used my sixth sense and had shared experiences with others. This is no different than looking with your eyes. Physical reality is made up of energy and energy is also physical. We can't see x-rays but they exist.
@ciceroji energy isn't physical. energy can't feed people, you can't sleep on energy. Energy only sustain the Mind CONsciouness system which is why we are so fucked up. the process we are busy walking is to birth ourselves from the physical which whithin that, one doesn't need Energy to LIVE. if your experiences are as Energy that Flag it as something to look at within self honesty cause most likely it was Experiences from and as your mind, which is not you as life
you eat physical food to fuel your physical body / physical mind which you use to create and participate in non physical alternate realities in your head
we are using the physical to fuel our 'existence' as thoughts - and disregarding what is best for all in the physical, rather valuing only our made up opinion of existence based on our particular self interest / wants / desires / fears
@ciceroji Part 1: The only free will that exist is that of de-programming yourself. As all decisions you take in your current state of being are decisions that are pre-programmed. Thus, nobody has never really lived as we have only but lived out our past as if it is real. Our past as that which we have observed, heard, seen others do say or share as an example of how to live.
@ciceroji Part 2: At desteni we deprogram ourselves to re-program ourselves. As what is best for all. That is pure will. And the only will that is real.
@ViktorHansEmanuel Even though you have to realize that you "de-programming yourself " is part of a higher program. This is what people call awakening or ascension your consciousness is expanding to now be in a higher program that is aware of the lower program. Still in a program though. Some might find this troubling. I don't mind, I call the higher program the divine mind. Only because it is closer to the essence of the universe.
@ciceroji When you say there is "higher program" you are stating separation. within the principle of Equality, polarity can't be real. The process we are busy walking is to the End Consciousness as consciousness is not who we are. consciousness is energy and itsn't real. Energy can't feed people, you can't sleep on energy. Energy is what sustain the Mind Consciouss system with no exception.
Suggest to read Hitler writing through the portal. you'll find it on desteni website
@MayaHarelHere Energy =Matter. This is the discovery which has been PROVEN by science many times over. This is what einstein got his noble prize for. This is what E=mc^2 means. Energy = Matter times the speed of light squared.
Oh, and once you no longer have "consciousness" what do you call the thing which you use to perceive whatever reality that then exists. Because remember E=mc^2.
@ciceroji the only thing that i can trust is 1+1=2. what i'm actuclly participating with you now is energy as i'm allowing myself to participate with your deception which is when i stop.
Either check out Desteni message of Equality or fuck off. we are not interested in Information and knowledge. we are interested in Real people that walk as principles of equality.
ascension is an experience you create using your mind based on knowledge and information you read / watch / hear in books, videos and audio -- you take the information and start imagining what is 'happening to you' and you make yourself feel and see all kinds of things
TEST your 'ascension'
stop all participation in all thoughts and practices of 'ascension' / new age / spirituality - simply be here as breath without thinking and see if you are still 'ascending'
@ciceroji through the illusion of free-choice and free-will promoted by our free-market monetary system people suffer, it is inherent in the current design where a few have it all while the rest lives in poverty. So within the current model of the world we need poor and rich and good and evil as a part of the polarity inequality system that we all participate in. The illusion of free choice renders people inactive as they believe they are 'free' and thusly become perfect slaves
@ProjectAnvil I think it is more a misunderstanding of free will. I would like to paraphrase Bhagavan. "There is no free will with choice". If you can ONLY choose between 2 choices or even 1 million, you are not free. The current system of democrats v.s. republicans is a prime example of this.
@ciceroji perfect slaves of the money system that is as the money is what 'gives' you free choice and allows you to have 'freedom' but where the money is coming from and what is behind the scene is covered up through the way money works, it seems to magically appear from the wall but in fact works like energy (represents energy) and takes away from somewhere else and in any case from the physical.
This is so good explaines, like: everything is HERE, it stills alive while closing the eyes, so it's a cool support when one is in a situation when the images of that situation seem to be so amazing or important and one tends to loose oneself only because of the images, or even the sounds. Possetions... Yes, and the thing that one has to realize is that point of knowing that everything is here, so one can't accept shit in any moment, don't dismiss life
Yep cool point, if we could see all reality Here as ourselves, we would definitively stop - because of only existing as the mind, we cant' - this is how we simply come to the point of realizing that we are equal to everything and everyone and thus, without having to 'see it', I realize it as myself and make sure I apply myself in stopping and directing myself - thanks Maya
Maya, I think the reason why half the world is in suffering is because of free will. We are actually choosing to suffer. And as a collective we are forcing our choice to suffer on others who may actually be choosing to be full of life and joy.
ciceroji 1 year ago
@ciceroji free will does not exists - everything is pre-program.half of this world didn't chose to starve - this is their life cause they got born to it. the Elite (us with Internet access) chose for them to continue starving to death cause we are not standing up for them and actually establish equal money system that force everyone to get a dignify life.
MayaHarelHere 1 year ago
@MayaHarelHere free will does and does not exist. It depends on from where the reality is being perceived. As a awakened being when you look at an average person they are totally following a program, Yes. However, if you throw into their program the concept of the program they can then "choose" to become more aware of the program. This choice can be interpreted as a higher level program to a certain degree, but it remains a choice. Starting to FEEL energies programming adds insight
ciceroji 1 year ago
@ciceroji the ONLY choice that exists is to be Self Honest or to be Self Dishonest. when one Choose to walk the path of changing/deprogram oneself into principles of Equality - one Chose it in every single breath one take. There is only ONE reality - the physical reality and Any FEELing one has - is of the mind.
Check out Desteni materiel for better understanding.
MayaHarelHere 1 year ago
@MayaHarelHere Yes, there is only one reality but what we call the physical reality is a tiny fragment of reality. We limit the physical reality to what we normally perceive with our five senses. The only reason these senses are accepted is most people have eyes. I have used my sixth sense and had shared experiences with others. This is no different than looking with your eyes. Physical reality is made up of energy and energy is also physical. We can't see x-rays but they exist.
ciceroji 1 year ago
@ciceroji energy isn't physical. energy can't feed people, you can't sleep on energy. Energy only sustain the Mind CONsciouness system which is why we are so fucked up. the process we are busy walking is to birth ourselves from the physical which whithin that, one doesn't need Energy to LIVE. if your experiences are as Energy that Flag it as something to look at within self honesty cause most likely it was Experiences from and as your mind, which is not you as life
MayaHarelHere 1 year ago
@MayaHarelHere
you eat physical food to fuel your physical body / physical mind which you use to create and participate in non physical alternate realities in your head
we are using the physical to fuel our 'existence' as thoughts - and disregarding what is best for all in the physical, rather valuing only our made up opinion of existence based on our particular self interest / wants / desires / fears
MattiFreeman1 1 year ago 2
@ciceroji Part 1: The only free will that exist is that of de-programming yourself. As all decisions you take in your current state of being are decisions that are pre-programmed. Thus, nobody has never really lived as we have only but lived out our past as if it is real. Our past as that which we have observed, heard, seen others do say or share as an example of how to live.
ViktorHansEmanuel 1 year ago
@ciceroji Part 2: At desteni we deprogram ourselves to re-program ourselves. As what is best for all. That is pure will. And the only will that is real.
ViktorHansEmanuel 1 year ago
@ViktorHansEmanuel Even though you have to realize that you "de-programming yourself " is part of a higher program. This is what people call awakening or ascension your consciousness is expanding to now be in a higher program that is aware of the lower program. Still in a program though. Some might find this troubling. I don't mind, I call the higher program the divine mind. Only because it is closer to the essence of the universe.
ciceroji 1 year ago
@ciceroji When you say there is "higher program" you are stating separation. within the principle of Equality, polarity can't be real. The process we are busy walking is to the End Consciousness as consciousness is not who we are. consciousness is energy and itsn't real. Energy can't feed people, you can't sleep on energy. Energy is what sustain the Mind Consciouss system with no exception.
Suggest to read Hitler writing through the portal. you'll find it on desteni website
MayaHarelHere 1 year ago
@MayaHarelHere Energy =Matter. This is the discovery which has been PROVEN by science many times over. This is what einstein got his noble prize for. This is what E=mc^2 means. Energy = Matter times the speed of light squared.
Oh, and once you no longer have "consciousness" what do you call the thing which you use to perceive whatever reality that then exists. Because remember E=mc^2.
ciceroji 1 year ago
@ciceroji the only thing that i can trust is 1+1=2. what i'm actuclly participating with you now is energy as i'm allowing myself to participate with your deception which is when i stop.
Either check out Desteni message of Equality or fuck off. we are not interested in Information and knowledge. we are interested in Real people that walk as principles of equality.
MayaHarelHere 1 year ago
@ciceroji
ascension is an experience you create using your mind based on knowledge and information you read / watch / hear in books, videos and audio -- you take the information and start imagining what is 'happening to you' and you make yourself feel and see all kinds of things
TEST your 'ascension'
stop all participation in all thoughts and practices of 'ascension' / new age / spirituality - simply be here as breath without thinking and see if you are still 'ascending'
MattiFreeman1 1 year ago
@ciceroji through the illusion of free-choice and free-will promoted by our free-market monetary system people suffer, it is inherent in the current design where a few have it all while the rest lives in poverty. So within the current model of the world we need poor and rich and good and evil as a part of the polarity inequality system that we all participate in. The illusion of free choice renders people inactive as they believe they are 'free' and thusly become perfect slaves
ProjectAnvil 1 year ago
@ProjectAnvil I think it is more a misunderstanding of free will. I would like to paraphrase Bhagavan. "There is no free will with choice". If you can ONLY choose between 2 choices or even 1 million, you are not free. The current system of democrats v.s. republicans is a prime example of this.
ciceroji 1 year ago
@ciceroji perfect slaves of the money system that is as the money is what 'gives' you free choice and allows you to have 'freedom' but where the money is coming from and what is behind the scene is covered up through the way money works, it seems to magically appear from the wall but in fact works like energy (represents energy) and takes away from somewhere else and in any case from the physical.
ProjectAnvil 1 year ago
This is so good explaines, like: everything is HERE, it stills alive while closing the eyes, so it's a cool support when one is in a situation when the images of that situation seem to be so amazing or important and one tends to loose oneself only because of the images, or even the sounds. Possetions... Yes, and the thing that one has to realize is that point of knowing that everything is here, so one can't accept shit in any moment, don't dismiss life
laurixtumix 1 year ago
Thanks Maya!
GabrielZamoraMoreno 1 year ago
Yep cool point, if we could see all reality Here as ourselves, we would definitively stop - because of only existing as the mind, we cant' - this is how we simply come to the point of realizing that we are equal to everything and everyone and thus, without having to 'see it', I realize it as myself and make sure I apply myself in stopping and directing myself - thanks Maya
MarlenLife 1 year ago
thanks Maya!
BellaBargilly 1 year ago
You are moving in a great direction...Ay loves you
Blughostin 1 year ago
Thanks Maya
Thedaykeeper 1 year ago