The Didache Proves Abortion Is Murder - The "Religious-Reich" Lie.wmv

[DanielJohn2300]

You don't have to hide your eyes. There is another solution to the problem of your people. Just replace the abortions with vasectomies. If each man will do that for his unwanted baby, then the orphanages will not get overcrowded.

[chaneltanita]

The fact abortion is murder can be found in the Book of Exodus. The penalty for causing the death of an unborn child.

[RadioFreeJerusalem]

No actually you have been given a lie to repeat mindlessly. The Halakah (Jewish law) based on the Torah, has been clear for millenia (based upon the Hebrew reading). The human life begins at birth. End of story. That's what the Torah does in fact teach. Sorry. That's just the way it is.

[chaneltanita]

Then the Halaka and the Books of Moses are against each other? I do not think so. I can read, the Law of Moses states clearly that someone injuring a woman with child and the unborn child dies is to receive the ultimate penalty. God also says He desires mercy and not sacrifice, the penalty shows that such a sin separates us from God and is a mortal sin. And I have a friend in Israel who speaks Hebrew very well, so there is no misplaced words. Words are also backed by the Dead Sea Scrolls.

[paxcoder]

-This video is mockery

-Bible condemns abortion - abortion is murder as Bible implies.

-Church fathers agree

and perhaps most convincing to yourself atm:

-You feel it in your heart. God gave you that law engraved in your heart.

[RadioFreeJerusalem]

The Bible does not "condemn abortion". It doesn't even address the question other than by way of injury to a mother, where it is made more than clear the terminated pregnancy is not equated to murder.  This has been known for thousands of years. Jewish Halakah law based on it states the child becomes a "living soul" when the head emerges from the womb. This was definition of "life" in the time of Christ, who also never debated it. Rome outlawed "abortion" when it was PAGAN.

[paxcoder]

Written Talmud is interpretation which we, Christians, do not recognize as inspired book, so it's not Bible (not even Christian). It has originated after the last book of the Bible.

Bible on the other hand doesn't speak directly of many things (eg pedophilia) which does *not* mean they are justified. It is, however quite clear about life: Jeremiah 1:5, Isaiah 49:2,5. Also we have Church tradition and fathers of the church that consistently explicitly condemn abortion as murder and a grave sin.

[paxcoder]

Isaiah 44:2

Thus saith the Lord that made and formed thee, thy helper from the womb

"Let her that procures abortion undergo ten years penance, whether the embryo were perfectly formed, or not" (First Canonical Letter, canon 2 [A.D. 374]). --Basil the Great

[RadioFreeJerusalem]

PX: Written Talmud is interpretation

RFJ: The Text Is In The Torah (The Bible) The part of it that came to Moses face to face with God on Mount Sinai.

px: Bible on the other hand doesn't speak directly of many things (eg pedophilia

RJF: Pedophilia IS covered under Torah laws concerning any sexual activity outside of "Kittubah covenant" (which required parental consent)

[RadioFreeJerusalem]

px px: Church tradition and fathers of the church that consistently explicitly condemn abortion as murder and a grave sin.

RJF: Then you shouldn't have an abortion. People who belong to other churches or religions however, that don't accept the testimony of men who thought unicorns were real, Jesus was 100 years old, or that Jesus wasn't really a Jew, might not accept those value judgements. Especially when they contradict the Scripture. (Which Neo-Traducianism does)

[paxcoder]

>Then you shouldn't have an abortion

Abortion implies automatic excommunication from the Catholic Church

>People who belong to other churches or religions however

I am speaking for Christians. Those are those whose doctrines were not condemned by the ecumenical councils that all Christians should recognize by definition.

>Especially when they contradict the Scripture.

Teachings of the Church, including Church fathers - the Christian tradition does not contradict stripture.

[RadioFreeJerusalem]

px: Abortion implies automatic excommunication from the Catholic Church

RFJ: That would be true. It use to be punishable by death, even if you were saving the life of the mother.

px: I am speaking for Christians. Those are those whose doctrines were not condemned by the ecumenical councils that all Christians should recognize by definition.

RJF: The term "All Christians" is very misleading. There is no such thing, 70% of America doesn't agree with your theological paradigm.

[RadioFreeJerusalem]

px: >Especially when they contradict the Scripture.

Teachings of the Church, including Church fathers - the Christian tradition does not contradict stripture

RFJ: Not only do they contradict the scripture, they even contradict themselves.

[paxcoder]

>Not only do they contradict the scripture, they even contradict themselves.

Ok, including some Church fathers (teaching of Church fathers are not dogmatic, although are oftentimes useful as confirmation of the stance of the early Church). But those who are in consent, as well as the Church, and Scripture - go hand in hand and are consistent.

Actually, Pope only elaborates dogmas that we (Catholics) recognize as always being existing. Those are unchangeable in their nature.

[paxcoder]

>The term "All Christians" is very misleading.

That's why I've defined it further.

>There is no such thing, 70% of America doesn't agree with your theological paradigm.

You're wrong. Most of Christianity does agree with at least first 4 ecumenical councils. (Not that majority matters, but still). I assume you were talking about Protestants, so yes - they do agree. Jehova's witnesses, LDS and few others considered Christian are not, albeit still included in "minority" which disagrees.

[RadioFreeJerusalem]

In Protestant Churches, "belief" varies greatly from group to group and even from individual to individual. "Church councils" have no particvular authority over the "faith" of any Protestant other than what an individual Protestant prefers to give it. There are many Protestants who do not accept any of the Church councils at all, even the very first one at Nicea, and the popularity of "church councils" tend to ebb and flow historically among Protestants.

[paxcoder]

I think I was clear enough, and I don't see the need for this. Please stop calling me here.

[RadioFreeJerusalem]

I was just posting responses to your comments. If you want no further responses, don;t post anymore comments???

[paxcoder]

>The Text Is In The Torah

Which one? "child becomes a "living soul"  when the head emerges from the womb" is preposterous and CERTAINLY doesn't come from the Bible.

>Pedophilia IS covered under Torah

I said "explicitly". And actually, abortion is covered too, according to Tertullian: "The law of Moses, indeed, punishes with due penalties the man who shall cause abortion [Ex. 21:2224]" (ibid., 37).

[RadioFreeJerusalem]

PX: child becomes a "living soul" when the head emerges from the womb" is preposterous and CERTAINLY doesn't come from the Bible.

RFJ: That's exactly where it comes from. That's how they got the idea to start with. NEPHESH. The term means "Breath of life", same definition with "Pnuema" in Greek, used over 700 times throughout the Bible. Latin "Animus" (animate) means "To Breath" that is/ and was the historical-biblical definition of life. That's what's in the text of the Bible as well

[paxcoder]

It is your interpretation, inconsistent with that of the Church. I's also said life is in the blood, for example. This isn't science, as it is not literal. St. Augustin taught us that.

The quote does NOT come from the Bible, so equating breath of life with act of breathing is something you do just to support your agenda. It would also imply we change souls with every breath.

Now if you have no more ridiculous unchristian claims, I'd like to end this discussion:'No murderer shall inherit Heaven'.

[RadioFreeJerusalem]

Then I suppose you won;t get to go as a Catholic. I believe Moses is in Heaven and your comment was stupid. Especially given the genocidal history of the RCC. Secondly Traducianism is a heresy. Neo-Traducianism is a New Heresy. That's the one you are advocating now. It violates the scriptural teaching that the soul comes from God at birth. "Life begins at conception" is an historical heresy even within the RCC's own twisted apostate statements. Until the "quickening", there is no "soul".

[paxcoder]

And Jews never killed anyone.

What does Traducianism have with the Church which condemns it heresy? Traducianism says soul is derived from parents. Church teaches its immediate creation upon conception (therefore calling parents co-creators to denote their role in creation, which differs from the one of the Creator).

And your comment about man becoming created when birthed not only contradicts the scripture that I already gave you (btw. C-section), but also Luke 1:41-44

[RadioFreeJerusalem]

Funny you should bring up Jews, they were usually the ones you were killing. And the point of that comment is? What exactly? What "The Church" teaches depends on Which Church you would be referring to. There are 38,000 of them. Rome teaches Neo-Traducianism today because it's popular , in the past it taught creationism, and the idea that "souls" were present before the "quickening" was declared a "heresy", which you now teach. So obviously someobody made a mistake though infallible.

[paxcoder]

Ok, this went totally off-topic, but for the sake of people who do not understand this (such as you, I must say), I'll explain what "Church's teaching" is. Church is one, and 38k are Protestants (Orthodox and very few others excluded).

Now heresy can be held by individuals or even majority, not by the Church itself. That's what councils were for. They separate an opinion from *official* Church teaching which *isn't* subject to change. This was the case heretical quickening theory, and abortion.

[RadioFreeJerusalem]

The "Quickening" is the position of the Catholic Church, Neo-traducianism is the new heresy. Neo-Traducianism has not been formally approved as "doctrine" yet as progressive Catholics like to point out. The move is underway to make it so. If they are successful, they will suceed in delcaring the history of Cahtoilicism a heretical belief. (Which will not be the first time this has happened)

[chaneltanita]

Rubbish if you have ever seen a 3D scan and watched a baby at 20 weeks sucking their thumb and playing, swinging from the umbilical cord, and even crying, even the law of the state places a time frame long before birth, after which it is too late to have an abortion. And try sticking to the subject instead of getting all personal about RCC. Pax code oking abortion is not the feeling of all Jewish people. You cannot take one and see them all the same. Some love and respect life

[RadioFreeJerusalem]

Actually, "life (Nephesh) is in the blood" is consistent with "science". It is the blood that carries oxygen to each cell in the body. Considering the "breath of life" was called the Nephesh, it is true it's pathway to the body is the blood. (and that was written long before the medical science on the subject could have been known)

[chaneltanita]

The Talmud was written when? I will have to check but I think it is 14th century AD. According to Jewish writings in this period, Jesus is recorded to be a trouble maker, a blasphemer, in it some Jewish people condemn Him all over again. The Books of Moses are clear that abortion is murder.

[RadioFreeJerusalem]

"people" may be unsure who wrote the New Testament, but the evidence available to them to reach that certainty is overwhelming compared to the Didache. Acts 4 was not the financial order of the Jewish New Testament community found throughout the Diaspora, (note: who were Jews), referred to throughout the rest of the New Testament. Acts 4 never abrogates personal stewardship, even in the Kibbutzim in Acts 4, donations were given voluntarily, and sharing was encouraged to achieve greater equality.

[theruteger]

The Didache scholars say is from the 1st and 2nd century, it is also used to write later works in the 3rd,4th Cent., the Didache is refered by the early Church fathers which does suggest it is an early writing. No ones sure who specifically wrote, people are unsure who wrote many books of the bible, Hebrew is thought to be Paul's,Chronicles are unsure/debated, just as Samuel is thought to be only partly by him. Also NT also expects people to share things in common w/ your brother, read Acts 4

[RadioFreeJerusalem]

Not illegal. (see the Legal dictionary)

Not homicide. (See the legal dictionary)

Not "Babies". (see a dictionary)

Not killers. (See a Bible)

[elizabethmcnam]

ABORTION:

-is an ILLEGAL

-HOMICIDE

-of INNOCENT BABIES

-by KILLERS and CRAZY people

God bless you