@StarFoxAutobot it probably would still lift..though at a reduced rate. the real problem would be weight. there isnt much thrust there to begin with (hence why were using thin thin thin balsa wood, light wires, and tin foil)... I know some engineer put a lifter in a high-vaccum (a real one, not a shitty JNL Naudin one)..and the thing would not lift at all... so yeah, anything you do to decrease that airflow, kills the the thrust.
@entropy111111 What if it were multiple lifters attached to a closed body? How much power would be required for 4 lifters, attached to a 500 pound body?
@StarFoxAutobot umm...... never calculated thrust..so Im not sure. But there is a limit to how much each one can lift regardless of power used (28k volts is norm-ish). I saw one that was HUGE, on youtube....someone put a hamster in it....which was funny, but also intersting...just to lift a hamster..the thing had to be massive. Ion wind is pretty damn weak....Interesting as hell. But genearlly verrrrrrrrrry weak. using a rocket or the likes would be a better use of money.
@entropy111111 The thrust is EXPONENTIAL with increasing Voltage. THere is no limit. And no, the thrust is NOT weak. Look at my Beamships, and the TT Brown saucers I built and flew in 1999, and presented in Reno Nevada in 2000. THese are very heavy.
@entropy111111 The thrust is EXPONENTIAL with increasing Voltage. THere is no limit. And no, the thrust is NOT weak. Look at my Beamships, and the TT Brown saucers I built and flew in 1999, and presented in Reno Nevada in 2000. THese are very heavy, yet there is no "wind" from them, and they go from a standing start to 12 RPM with the 100-120 kV at some tens of microAmps. High Energy electrostatics produces forcefield phenomena that is indistinguishable from gravity, just like relativity..
@entropy111111 Opinions vary. Nevertheless, my Beamships are the largest and most energy thrifty of such devices in the world, after over nine years. And I am published. I have been researching and working with electrogravitcs since 1982. What were YOU doing in 1982? Bottom line, this tech and teangential technologies will form the basis of the starships of the 21st Century.
@Beamshipcaptain dude....its ion wind..its not that amazing. In the grand scheme of physics, it's pretty damn boring....I mean..really, look at the two alternatives: 1) a 25k potential ionized the air, and moved air particles, or 2) (as you think) a 25k potential DISTORTED SPACE TIME....hahahahahahahahahah...cmon man. you can't be serious. go back to school.
@entropy111111 "Dude", ion wind has an upper limit, and that limit is over 3 orders of magnitude too feeble to cause levitation. The effect is more efficient in vacuum, because cuurrent can be turend way down and there is no corona to rob efficiency. I sealed up TT Brown saucers in platic and they flew backwards, in 2000. A youTuber sent be a vieo of TT Brown saucers he sealed in epoxy and they also flew backwards. Scientist John Fiala flew my Beamships in vacuum, and with onboard power.
@Beamshipcaptain dude... plastic bags still have air in them...who cares if you put them in some bags....as for john fiala...really..show me the results...cause the guys at blaze labs (google: lifter in vacuum (or see my video description for the link) and NASA..and whole bunch of ACTUAL scientists that get paid to do science proved youre full of it
@entropy111111 No wind can escape a plastic bag. A youtuber even encased TT Brwon discs in epoxy, and they flew backwards also. No wind can escape expxy either. Purdue University, and the US Army showed wirhAlgebra why ion wind is over three orders of magnitude too feeble to cause levitation., Those are also ACTUAL scientists. Takaaki Musha (HONDA R & D) another ACTUAL SCIENTIST showed it works more efficietly in vacuum. NASA even showed it works better in vacuum, their videos are on Youtube.
@Beamshipcaptain hahaha....again...who gives a shit if "no wind" can escape a plastic bag, you still have air in there that becomes ionic, and thrust towards the skirt. there is a momentum transfer providing thrust regardless if there is a plastic bag around it... respond to the Blazerlabs trial...they used a nice vacuum set up...thats a REAL vacuum. Ive worked with those...it takes like a week to remove all the air. and lo and behold...NO THRUST IN VACUUM.
@entropy111111 Then they grounded the container or some other error. In 1955 in Paris France, the concept was proven with a billionth of an atmosphere. Same thing in 1959, a couple miles from her in King of Prussia, PA. Google ELECTROHYDRODYNAMICS. If no wind can excape the bag, or expxy, you should have no thrust. Instead there is the same thrust, in REVERSE direction. The Effect also cancels out all inertia. Instant satrts and stops and changes of direction at any speed, with no sensation.
@Beamshipcaptain you know damn well that blaze labs didnt have any grounding errors. That is a very well done experiment. And no, youre still wrong...if there is ANY air inside a bag, you can speed air particles around, which will carry momentum, and you'll have thrust. Think of the earths atmostphere as one giant "bag"...planes still work inside...youre analysis is way off base. New question: if you knew you were wrong, would you admit it.
@entropy111111 Blaze had some kid of error, because electrostatics works in vacuum. THat is the theory behind vacuum tubes. PLUS, there is no air in the resin/epoxy encsed discs. I am no wrong, because I have done the research. Your research is incomplete. US ARMY and university research (Purdue Energy conversion Lab), and TT Brown's own work, Plus John Fiala prove that ion wind is too negligible a force to be of any value. But the Biefeld Brown effect cancels inertia, and is EXPONENTIAL ^ Volts
This is NOT an ion wind generator. Research JNL Jnaudin Labs. They already proved all this years ago.
Experiments show it works when sealed in a plastic bag,. The 'Lifter' also works inside a vacuum. Although ions may be present, they are not doing the work here. This device creates a gravity well for itself, Literally pulling itself up by it's own bootstraps. Make your own 'ufo': You can find power supply here:
amazing1 DOT com
You are part of the problem promoting 'ions'. STOP!
@evolutioncult Thanks for clearing up the disinformation. John Fiala tested my Beamships in vacuum, and they still fly. I sealed TT Brown sheet metal saucers in plastic bags and they still fly BACKWARDS. Someone sent me videos of TT Brown discs sealed in Epoxy; they also fly backwards. Someone is still trying to suppress this warp drive methodology from us. Follow the money trail.
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They are the key to understanding the only kind of multidimensional interstellar space ship propulsion systems and also real infinite power from within and in spacetime, the larger things are a copy of the smaller things it goes on and on in infinite proportions.
Dan winter and some other folks have researched this phenomenon for decades.
You want to understand the workings of the universe and E.T life then thats where you want to be.
Bending the space-time continuum is just one part of multi-dimensional travel wich is done with using magnetic fields generated by a device similair to a magnet wich power surge is generated out of the infinite ether.
You puny delusional humans have earned the distinguished galaxiest retarded planet for you have been kept boxed and prisoned for the longest time recorded in time-space untill this point.
How can you be so full of yourself and correcting someone who has seen them been assembled?
I think you didnt know what is time.Or what is bending the time itself on some level.I have ideas how to do it .What are you have?Theorys?
And again why? Because it as proven by nasa that your little ion thingy didnt work in cold space.Actually i think it can be more useful is you developing a sunsailing ship.And use it as a template.
@gun844 What if in space you use like a lightbulbthingy that heats or heater cuircuit? Oh never mind I just thought up of 2 reasons why not. Well atleast we will always have Starwars(sigh). I want a drone
Avast me hearties, me crew be searchin these wide seas for the scurvy dog author who impugns my good friend, Long John Searl: maybe ye have heard this suddy yarn, known in these parts as:
"Tirade of The Lifters Beaming, The Curse of the Crank Searl"
I am looking for JimBeamship, have you seen him? Last night the devil re-entered Jim and caused him to flee from the treatment center. With Christ's help we can find him and persuade Jim that God loves him and that he shouldn't drink all that alcohol. If you see him, please remind him that God and Jesus both love him and that he should go back to the Father Ulysses Corocoran Kensington Faith And Redemption Treatment Center for Christian Rehabilitation of Addicted Persons.
"Everyone ought to bear patiently the results of his own conduct." Shakespeare indeed, for in wroth's haste I did rant but 3 days ago, wrongfully berating my colleagues in public forum. Wrong I did them, and wrong was I. Since that vulgar display I have seen perforce the strange worth of these marvelous devices, and worth bestow to all of those that bring forth the news to all of mankind!! (Lifters let you control the actions of re-aninated corpses when placed on their heads!)
I thought we were all on the same page when we last spoke at COFE 3. You guys as a group came to me, and I know my instructions to all of you were the same. You run the electricity through the dead human bodies, and you get a monster. Then sit back and watch the fun. You got the electricity part right, but I don't understand the balsa wood and tin foil. These things won't scare anyone, and the only way it will kill your fiances is if she gets careless with the wires. Forget COFE 4.
"So under hard vacuum conditions, a force of 110 grams (1.1 Newtons) could be achieved for power expenditure of just 0.5 Watt. (250,000 Volts times 2 x 10 ^-6 Apms), or 2,200 Newtons of thrust per KiloWatt. That is about 150 times the Thrust to Power Ratio of a Jet Engine! Also it is 10,000 times greater than the thrust-to poser-ratio of a space-shuttle-Main engine".-SECRETS OF ANTIGRAVITY PROPULSION(2008), Paul A. LaViolette,PhD.
I don't have a video of a vacuum-chaber lifter, but others do, including from the inventor, TT Brown, home movies of which I obtained in 1990. Would love to do some vacuum-work. Are you providing the funding? No need. Successful vacuum-work is in the literature, and on video online. The vast majority of vacuum tests show increased efficiency; Brown showed in Paris in 1955, at GE Space Center in 1959, AH Bahnson Labs in 1956-58, T.Musha at the 2007 AIAA; if that is not enough,something is wrong.
"I don't have video of a vacuum chamber lifter, but others do" -bsc
No, they don't. They have asymmetrical capacitors that rotate only a few degrees then stop... in a vacuum.
After all these years? You are in charge of manned space flight at swallowcommand and you have never tested in a vacuum? GO TO A UNIVERSITY and ask to use the lab.
"Successful vacuum work is in the literature" -bsc
Do you honestly believe that because it is in writing, it is true? Science fiction fanatic!
Actually I have seen that very same video on display at a Kenmore convention, it was a test of a new prototype oven, the 'lifter' is actually a brace on which is mounted the prepped corpse of a chicken or turkey. Thirty of these braces can be mounted in this new oven, for production cooking of a whole lotta chickens, turning slowly as they cook. I remind everyone that there is nothing in that video that identifies it as anything else. (I worked in advertising at the time)
You are wasting your time. He will repeat himself ad nauseum, it is like some mantra thing, or an obsession. I get the idea he is trying harder to convince himself than trying to convince you. Hey, better that it's lifters rather than booze or cocaine, right? He's not a bad guy, and he's not crazy as you can see from his other videos; he's got real friends and plays in a band, and actually is a pretty darn good bass player. But he is a heckuva lot of fun to bait... right, Captain?
I am trying to get him to see the error of his methodology. I think we have something if he recognizes his own hypocrisy of quoting that he believes the scientific method involves REPEATING the experiments (as quoted here "watch?v=Jk2GGoMJ7NU")
And the fact that he has never flown a lifter in a vacuum, and hasn't even had access to a vacuum chamber. And the fact that beamshipcaptain has only been taking selected papers as gospel while rejecting papers that conclude the counterarguments.
You may actually get him to admit it, but then if you come back in a week it will be back to business as usual. I think it's more of a blind faith thing. It's like guys who go into bars looking to fight - they'll get their teeth broken and they still go back for more. But here no violence, it's manic altruism, a committed desire to build the idealistic world of Star Trek, which is a good thing, so this is his fight to get it.
People may get annoyed but no one's teeth are broken.
Don't forget to remove the 'G' key from your smashed keyboard, it's actually an Illuminati spy device.. 'G' for Government. I say stuff like that just to be absurd, but I guarantee someone's mind somewhere has started turning on it: 'Yeah, that makes sense! They are reading my thoughts through it, and the G is the middle key of the keyboard" or some such other bizarre rationalization.
It's a joke, it's made of plastic. Embedded with a microbio sensor keyed to you by your touch blahblahblah
Yeah, but as long as we have youtube to identify and give that hugely needed public forum to these guys, chances are that it will occupy/satisfy their egos so that they won't waste time or money pounding on real doors. Seeing those magnet nuts, there may be one or two miracles in there where you might've otherwise seen a bomb maker had his mind not gotten intrigued by magnet (or lifter!) videos. Don't have to have a lot of intellect to fall into an intellectual trap.
I especially like how the Captain goes through and clicks all the 'thumb down' on comments he doesn't like, and the 'thumbs up' on the ones he likes, that's great. I follow behind him and click the opposite. And he tells other lifter guys that I'm a fraud, then they leave comments on my channel that the 'youtube police' have my IP address, and my channel will be shut down; I'll be prosecuted for fraud.
Yeah... i too remove the thumb downs for everyone.
I am trying to help him distinguish reality from the virtual. Like the factual from the theoretical. Youtube is so virtual, his identity cannot be stolen (unless he posts his SSN)
By definition, wrong theories will significantly outnumber correct ones. He doesn't know that yet.
Do you ever get the idea that deep down he does know the difference? Watch his other videos, there aren't any tinfoil helmet videos. Just tinfoil lifters, but they actually work, just not the way he claims, but he doesn't sell them on his claims. It's seems more like an Oddfellows club, where the game is never admit you are wrong. You know, word was that established respectable scientists told Tesla his AC generator idea was a 'perpetual motion scam'.....
Or it may be a case where we are just assuming the merchant's scales are capable of being properly calibrated. We might open the case and find there is no balance mechanism inside. I've made that mistake before that before, oh boy...
It's kind of like someone with heavy religious beliefs, but he's replaced the impractical barbarity of religion with a faith that science can cure all ills. When I was a little kid I didn't believe in Santa or Jesus but anything spoken by Kirk or Spock was gospel. It puts responsibility in our hands and says no to the supernatural; you don't need to die to go to heaven, it can be built by putting faith in science. Even if he's wrong, he 'knows' science will one day make it right somehow.
If they did'nt work in a vacuum, VACUUM TUBES would not work.Lab devices weighing 100 grams have produced thrust of 110 grams, for input of 500 Watts(250,000Vots@2 milliApms). Performed in air of 1Atm.Supplementary research indicates much greater efficiency in vacuum(10^-4mm Hg or better) when current drops to about 2 microAmperes.
You fraud, they mean 'tour de farce'. Impostor, you twist and twist and scream in 'a cage of your own making'. BeamshipCaptain told me in a reply on another video that
'Your cage is of your own making'. I thought that it was pretty good, and does tempt me to actual criminal behaviour: I am tempted to plagiarize that statement without
giving the Captain credit. Of course I should count myself lucky.. many have to deal with temptations of a much grimmer sort: booze, drugs, women, lifters.
"Selfish Steam", oh jeez, BeamshipGeneral, that was BRILLIANT!! HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW...wait... I might be confused...aren't I BeamshipGeneral?... omigod, I just replied to one of my own posts as if I thought I was someone else!! GAWD SAVE ME!! THE CAPTAIN IS RIGHT!! I AM IMPERSONATING MYSELF!! (sounds of heavy wracked sobbing) oh, Gawd, help me (more wracked sobbing, arms thrashing wildly) what'll I do?? (sobs ebbing) ah, it's no big deal. HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW
Ah-ha!! I almost said "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" earlier when you were talking all that fraud stuff'. Anyway(back to the real fun), I was wondering about why they liked the triangular wire, because I also thought the edges caused the corona and sparks and that round wire was the best. I gotta listen more closely to those guys, and I'll ask them the next time I see them. I have thought of experimenting with this stuff, but really don't have much time.
I never thought of looking it up on google about the sharp wire thing....googled 'lifter with sharp edged wire' ..yep, there are only links about leakage with sharp edge. I only saw their first lifter with a really small round copper wire, they were talking later about the gold tri-wire later, but I haven't seen it. Been a while since I saw those guys, but they are strictly ion-wind characters, they say it's no way it'll be anything else; by-the-book physics types.
They would get better results with less-input energy if they abandoned that line of thinking and followed TT Brown's patents and lab-notes ,which I have. Peace.
Hey boys, sorry I been gone. Tonight I am posting from fabulous Macau (Hong Kong's crazier little brother) Got a few minutes before getting back to the internet censorship convention downstairs. Guess what the topic is: gizmo called a 'censorchip' HA! We never get tired of saying things like "this amazing new censorchip makes censorship so much more fun than it used to be". It's gonna be installed on all new computers in 2010. Except for Apple; goddamn Steve Jobs, won't play ball.
So does the 'ion breeze' have more in common with (but not akin to) a microwave than an actual movement of the air we breathe, not like air moving over the wing of a plane? Like the microwave excites water molecules, thereby causing heat from friction, which 'cooks' the food. Guess maybe the volt saturated copper wire 'excites' air (nitrogen or oxygen atoms? both? based on frequency of the voltage?) so that frictioned(?) ions 'race' to the foil?
As you know, whoevery you are, the biefeld Brown effect has been measured at 100-million times greater than the force of ion wind. I have been reading Jean Louis Naudin's site for ten-years. William J. Beaty proved several years ago with experiments with a digital anemometer, and simple algebra, that the air-movement (only 1.5 mph) was less thatn half of the airspeed needed to levitate lifter-2. So obviously, another force is involved. The inventor, TT Brown dubbed it ELECTROGRAVITY,in 1928.
It should work with ANY conductor, CARBON WIRE works the best, but it is more brittle than stainless-steel, (we use .003" stainless for corona-suppression, and increased lifting-force, as you probably knew already), and force is increaseed exponentially with increasing Voltage. Only enough Current is rquired to replace leakage -losses. The reason these work is STORAGE AND RETENTION OF CHARGE. That's why seams and sharp-corners are avoided on the devices.There is a physical limit to ion-wind.
Have you heard anything about getting better results from a wire that wasn't round but itself had sharp edges, or a wire that had a triangular core (cross section is a perfect triangle, three sharp edges) Stainless steel, that's interesting. The guys I know who do it like copper or gold wire, and said they got the best lift from a triangular gold wire (they are a bunch of lifter nuts at Columbia Univ) I'll ask what they meant by 'best lift' though, not sure.
No. And we do not want sharp corners anywhere. We make it just like the patent USPat# 2,949,550, which shows ROUND wire and forward-electrode. Which is what I used in teh TT Brown saucers I built starting at the end of January, 1990. They worked fine. Sharp corners csue corona and leakage-losses that rob power, and force. Ideally we want ROUNDED surfaces and corners on the TT Brown saucer, because that produces far more thrust for less powerinput. We only need enough current to replace leakage.
It appears that Brown was cyclically varying the Voltage accross the plates of the electrokinetic apparatus at frequencies of around 750 megaHertz to maintain a high thrust condition. The ELECTROHYDRODYNAMICS report notes the thrust on the EK apparatus was observed to increase directly with K-factor of the dielectric and according to the square (and in some cases the cube) of the applied Voltage. A dielectic w/ a factor of 50, 12 times greater than Pyrex, would produce 12-fold greater thrust.
These thrust measurments showed ion-wind is insuficient a force by ordres of magnitude. For example, an upward thrust of 110 grams is equal to force of 10^5 dynes. By Comparison,a 2 microAmpere ion wind resulting from electrons accelerated in a 250-kiloVolt potential would yield a force of somewhat over 10^-3 dynes, almost 100 million times less than the lift produced by Brown's Electrokinetic Apparatus (which I built in 1990).
There was a website of a guy (don't think it was Naudin) who built lifters specifically to see how much payload they could lift, had a big one that could lift something about the size of a soccer ball, and had a video of it lifting the soccerball-thing. I think the confusion with the ion wind thing is that people expect an actual air current-type moving air breeze, but as I understand it the 'ion breeze' emits at the wire and terminates at (being attracted to) the foil and goes no farther?
Bottom line, lifters use Ions from either the dielectric air or from ions stripped from the electrodes and causes them to move either in long distance wind form or ion drift.
Simply put, Ions are formed from matter available and set in motion. The term is Electrokenetics.
Any theory that supposes that gravity being altered is unsubstantiated.
Hence NASAs ion propulsion engine was 10,00 times less efficient than Brown's electrokinetic disc. Under hard vacuum, such as ws achieved in Winston Salem NC at Bahnson Labs, upward force of 110 grams (1.1 newtons) could be achieved for power expenditure of just 0.5 Watt(250,000 Volts times 2 x 10^-6 Amps), or 2,200 newtons of thrust per kiloWatt. That is about 150 tiems the thrust to power ratio of a jet engine. Also, it is 10,000 times greater than the thrust to power of a shuttle main-engine
Report by Whitehall Rand ELECTROHYDRODYNAMICS (1960) notes under harder vacuum conditions of 10^-12 mm Hg as in space, Brown's electrokinetic device would be expected to achieve even higer efficiency due to a further reduction in ion leakage power consumption. The report also compared the observed thrust with that of the NASA ion propulsion engine, which weighed 10 times as much as Brown's saucer and produced only 28 grams of force for an input of of 1200 Watts, or just 0.23 newton per kilowatt
Purdue a d T. Musha, and Hector Serrano and US army reports all explin why TT Brown the French Govt. the US Army and the US Air Force have shown why they work in a vacuum, and that the force of ion wind is insufficient to cause movement,let alone levitation.
Beamships are large flying models. Lifters are tiny, inefficient little test devices. I built TT Brown saucers and flew them at 120kV at some tens of microAmps, starting in the 1990s. Bagged, they started to fly BACKWARDS.
Purdue University flew Lifters in hard vacuum in September of 2000. Separate tests also show increased efficiency in vacuum, especially with a high-mass-high K-factor dielectric, like Titanium-Dioxide, or Barium-Titanate.
"Heavy 'gravitors have replaced led balls suspended on wires. Rotating frames supporting two and four gravitors have made possible acceleration measurements. Molecular gravitators made of solid blocks of massive dielectric have have given still greater efficiency. Rotors and pendulums operating under oil have eliminated atmospheric conditions as to pressure, temperature, and humidity. The effects of ionisation,electron emission have been eliminated"-HOW I CONTROL GRAVITATION, TT Brown,1929
Why do you think my Beamships (tm) are still after 8-years the largest and most energy-efficient of such devices in the world, in all history (except a 5-meter Japanese design). Research, since 1982, and hard work, and practical experimetn, and talking to EVERYBODY, and meeting and talking with the scientists who actually worked with TT Brown, as I did in 1990, I obtained TT Brown home movies from Sev Bonnie, a scientist who worked with Brown, whom I met in 1990 in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
Because your focusing on something that is not debated.
None of yours (as big or efficient as you have) will ever work in a full vacuum. You have built so many. And whenever someone here asks you to film it flying in a full vacuum, you refer them to unproven theoretical papers or video of something completely different from lifters like an asymmetrical capacitor rotating a few degrees in a vacuum.
Brown discovered in Paris during successful vacuum tests sponsored by the French Govt. that ther thrust also persisted even when the capacitor elements in a rotor (such as I built 10-years ago) were each surrounded by plexiglas enclosures. Since ther was no way that ino-wind could escape from the enclosures, ion thrust could be ruled out as a motive force. Barium Titanate placed betwenn the electrodes produced a markedly increased trhust over air or vacuum.
A common misconception is that each air particle would travel all the way from electrode to electrode (like wind would). This is not true, each particle moves only a bit (resulting in collisions.
But since the electromagnetic field passes through plexiglass, the air doesn't need to travel, the field move each particle independently.
To put into perspective, Brown's electrified disc was almost 100-million times greater than what could reasonably be generated by an ion wind.For example, a thrust of 110-grams(as Brown's 100-gram disc in vacuum) is equal to a force of 10^5 dynes. By comparison, a 2 microAmp ion wind from electrons accelerated in a 250 kV potential would yield a force of only about 10^-3 dynes, almost 100-million times less than the lift produced by Brown's disc.
No you ae not. I always provide sources from recent studies, and I know personally many of the people who made them, and I reconnected with them 3-weeks ago in Washington SC at COFE III. Actual photos of my work are in books on new energy technology, and you can do the same experiments and see if you get same results I and others got.
Okay.. repost something from the last decade.. as I have read Naudin, Brown, Ventura, NASA, and Searl.
The only ones that do anything in a vacuum are the asymmetrical capacitors that produce angular momentum which is NOT the same as your lifters. I have yet to see a lifter in full vacuum fly. Post a link already.
Get ELECTROGRAVITICS II II, by Tom Valone, who hosted COFE III, that I attended 3 weeks ago (Integrity Institute of Washington DC) SECRETS OF ANTIGRAVITY PROPULSION, by my friend and colleague, Dr. PA LaViolette, and I gave you the snail-mail address of the Perdue University energy conversion lab who found as TT Brown and T. Musha and Einstein and Laub and NASA and Hector Serrano did: that these electrogravity devices work BETTER in vacuum, due to less coronal-losses, Voltage can be turned up.
William B Stein, "Electrokinetic Propulsion: The Ionic Wind Argument", Purdue University Energy Conversion Lab, Hangar #3, Purdue Airport, West Lafayette, IN 47906, Sept. 5, 2000. Go to foldedspace(dot)com ad search Purdue(dot) doc
Gravitect and NASA showed in 1999 that the effect works better in vacuum, you can see the video on youtube. And you give up too easily. I never give up. That is why I am a leader in this field for nearly two decades now.
Yes, I have seen that several times... I even posted on my uploaded video a link to the NASA report concerning that experiment. The conclusion stated very clearly that the effect was Ions in motion.
Whether an asymmetrical capacitor stripping its own ions from the electrode material or using air, it still had nothing to do with gravity.
That directly conflicts with their report showing that "ions ion motion cannot happen in a vacuum". ions in motion are 100-million times less force than the observed lift and thrust in horizontal-plane, as the US Army report and the ELECTROHYDRODYNAMICs report from 1960, of Electron-Atom corp of BalaCynwyd, PA and Whitehall-Rand. HONDA R & D also agrees, as does my colleague and client, Dr. Ted Loder, who bought one of my kits at the INE symposium in 2002 where I delivered one of my paper.
But those videos showing a asymmetrical capacitor rotating a few degrees could be easily caused by heavy metal ions stripping off even in a vacuum. That's how ion propulsion current works in space.
Okay, this is actual updated science on the subject.. Better sit down for this one...
Force on an Asymmetric Capacitor
by Thomas B. Bahder and Chris Fazi
Army Research Laboratory
Adelphi, MD 20783-1197
arxiv . org/ftp/physics/papers/0211/0211001 . pdf (remove spaces)
In this 1960 patent, entitled Electrokinetic Apparatus, Brown gives the clearest explanation of the physics of the Biefeld-Brown effect. Brown makes several important
They clearly state in the Badher Fazi paper FORCE ON AN ASYMMETRIC CAPACITOR:" A simple upper limit on the ion wind force shows that the ion wind effect is a factor of at least 3 orders of magnitude too small." Do you have ANY idea how much an order of magnitued is? it is followed by accepted equations showing why this is so.
The US Army report by Badher and Fazi also states: "If the capacitor is surrounded by vacuum(rather than a dielectric, such as air), the net force F on the asymmetric capacitor can be computed by the sum of two surface integgrals, one surface of the negative electrode (4th equation), where E is the electric field due to charges on the ionised air between electrodes(excluding the field due to surface-charges on the capacitor electrodes."
This report also gives the requiste equations and further states: " Again,this value is at least 3 orders of magnitude too small to account for lifting a capacitor with mass of 3-5 grams. Therefore, the ionic wind contribution is too small, by at least 3 orders of magnitude to account for the observed force on the asymmetric capacitor."
Even better: NASA/CR—2004-213312, page 6, paragraph one. And shocker of shockers: at Gravitec's website they have the report that NASA sources for their 2004 conclusion.. google 'gravitec inc data talley', download the pdf and read the conclusions on page 91. Robert L Talley concludes it's just reacting to the chamber. Of course someone like Mythbusters could try to videotape ...WHOOPS!! they did!! Doggone it, I need my evening zotz of Tesla beam.
The scammers that sell these lifters love to quote and reference REAL experiments into electrostatic motion. But they come up with their own conclusions. Like Beamshipcaptain does. Every serious experimenter has concluded that it WILL NOT WORK IN A VACUUM.
Why would they not work in a vacuum? THis is how VACUUM TUBES work! -Woodward James,"Flux Capacitors and the Origin of Inertia," FOUNDATIONS OF PHYSICS V.34,2004, p.1475,Purdue flew lifters in hard vacuum- William B Stein,"Electrokinetic Propulsion, THe Ionic Wind Argument", Purdue University Energy Conversion Lab,Hangar #3, Purdue Airport, West Lafayette, IN 47906,Sept.5,2000.
William B. Stein, "Electrokinetic Propulsion: The Ionic Wind Argument, Purdue University Energy Conversion Lab, Hangar #3, Purdue Airport, West Lafayette, IN 47906, Sept. 5, 2000, Graham and Lahoz, "Observation of Static Electromagnetic Angular Momentum in Vacuo," NATURE,V. 285, May 15,1980, p. 129.
Purdue University Flew Lifters in hard vacuum, in 2000, after I flew heavy sheet metal 1-meter diameter TT Brwon flying saucers, bagged, and naked, on only a few watts of electrical energy, in clear violation of the 1st law of Thermodynamics; more motion is created than is proportianally input in energy-units.
Demonstration witnessed June 24, 2000, in Reno, Nevada, before an audience of scientists and military-people. I replicated TT Brown's patent US Pat # 2,949,550, and of course it worked much better than claimed in the patent, in the 1990s, here in Pennsylvania.
I am sure that the "Impersonation" term in the rules refers to pretending to be Actual personalities in real life. Not impersonating some other unknown poster.
For example, if someone claimed to be Cher and her Official Youtube page and started uploading videos of Cher, etc. That would be grounds for account deletion.
Just because you have been posting on youtube for years doesn't entitle you to rights to the name "Beamshipcaptain" or any other variation.
Using a similar name to another person is impersonation, according to youtube. Plus this crazy-person actually has the gall to use my real name on one of his fraudulent sites, and then tries to sound as crazy as possible, even contacts MY friends, passing himself off as me using my real name. That is a crime.
"has the gall to use my real name on one of his fraudulent sites" -Beamshipcaptain
Are you saying that he found out your real name (the one on your birth certificate)? Or are you so deluded that you think "Beamshipcaptain" IS really your name.
Christian name is your LAST name. My name is Russell Anderson, and I can provide a Birth Certificate from May, 1961,Drivers License that you may check with Motor Vehicles, as well as images that prove I am who I say I am, and bibligraphical references with my work and professor Searl's websites have my photo and photos of some of my work from a decade ago. This impersonator can provide no such proof of ID, nor any references at all.
He has stated his name on his channes as Russell or Russell anderson, and I have had more than one person tell me privately that he has approached them using my first, or first and last name, which he lists as his own on some of his fraudulent channels. He certainly has said he is me on his posts. Scroll down. The fact that you are defending him shows you are as crazy as he is.
The fact that you are defending him shows that I just don't like you. Which is more plausible I think. But I am willing to discuss it with you so I am.
"The fact that you are defending him shows that I just don't like you. Which is more plausible I think. But I am willing to discuss it with you so I am".-Joviocoe, Oct.27,2009.
I let this statement stand for the entire community to see. It speaks for itself; I rest my case.
I never said I don't like you (it is not a matter of like or dislike, such issues never come up in science, which is always unemotional and unbiased). But I don't have too much patience with people who simply use invective, and are skeptical to a fault, and refuse to do research, and expect to be spoonfed every bit of research, when I used to spend DAYS in the library researching this stuff, DECADES before the internet. You have it easy today. Try this line of experimet yourself. And see...
Your right about me having it easy. The multitude of information at my googling fingertips.
The point is simple, you are making the claim of electrogravity and I am the skeptic.
YOU have the burden of proof! Not me. When I claim a positive statement, then I will have to do the research. But my statements are negative (meaning I don't assert a preposition) while your statements are positive because you claim to have new theory of gravity as it relates to electricity.
The future always belongs to the doer-s, NOT the idle-dreamers, and never the skeptics. The skeptical scientist of 1902 said "Man would not fly for a thousand years". Going to the moon was "impossible" in the 1940s. Technological progress is the result of inventing NEW systems, not perfecting old ones. We go around the world 500-times faster than in Columbus' time not because we have boats that go 500-times faster, but because we have spacecraft. In Columbus' time no one could imagine spacecraft
Common pseudoscience used by many scammers (not calling you one)
Skeptics said this, skeptics said that, and they were wrong. So you must be wrong.
Notice they usually bring up the generality rather that a specific theory.
I don't say that electricity will not enable us to fly through space (the generality), but I do say, what you built will not. Or your particular theory holds no water.
This is no scam. That is the difference. A scam will sooner or later be exposed as such, but this technology of field effect propulsion, or gravity control, goes back over 100 years, to pioneers such as George S. Piggott, and many others in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it. The history of science and innovation is a history of many times slow acceptace of controversial ideas.
It's NOT my theory. I just helped to do some research and practical experimetn, and I built and flew the largest and heaviest TT Brown saucers in the world in 1999, none that size had flown since 1960 (publicly). I am not new to this work. Tim Ventura was new to this work. But he dropped out of sight, sadly, a victim of depression, divorce, and alcoholism. Tortise and the hare.
No, it's a scam, I should know, I am in on it. WHOOPS!! Talk about letting the cat out of the bag!! I should know not to open my big keyboard until I've had my morning Tesla shock therapy. It worked wonders for him, he tore up the contract that would've made him the world's first trillionaire. All us Beamship guys are way smarter, though. We keep our secret tech under wraps and just use red herrings to confuse people. Amazing what gobbledegook people will believe.
And you are fooling noone.There is no secret tech we keep under wraps, and you are a fraud, impersonator and everyone can see that you have self-esteem issues.
Howdy captain!! (slaps him on the back, very much in a hail-fellow-well-met manner) Gee I missed you. Been busy overseas seeing to 'affairs' (ahem). Still here in fabulous Macau; oh you should see the sights. The Chinese have some great ideas about lifters, you betcha. I paid our respects at Dr. Tsien's (now spelled Xuesen) memorial service, he was great man of rocketry and science. Did wonders for space programs. Hie thee skyward, Dr. Tsien/Xuesen's spirit, we all love thee. So how's tricks?
Good effects !
HorizonDelta 1 month ago
How were you able to use a computer as a power source?? Please answer thanks
eblue762 6 months ago
this is still damned cool. either one of you nerds can admit that.
CombatGuru 9 months ago
Would it still float if the top half was covered, or would that not provide enough air to generate lift?
StarFoxAutobot 10 months ago
@StarFoxAutobot it probably would still lift..though at a reduced rate. the real problem would be weight. there isnt much thrust there to begin with (hence why were using thin thin thin balsa wood, light wires, and tin foil)... I know some engineer put a lifter in a high-vaccum (a real one, not a shitty JNL Naudin one)..and the thing would not lift at all... so yeah, anything you do to decrease that airflow, kills the the thrust.
entropy111111 10 months ago
@entropy111111 What if it were multiple lifters attached to a closed body? How much power would be required for 4 lifters, attached to a 500 pound body?
StarFoxAutobot 10 months ago
@StarFoxAutobot umm...... never calculated thrust..so Im not sure. But there is a limit to how much each one can lift regardless of power used (28k volts is norm-ish). I saw one that was HUGE, on youtube....someone put a hamster in it....which was funny, but also intersting...just to lift a hamster..the thing had to be massive. Ion wind is pretty damn weak....Interesting as hell. But genearlly verrrrrrrrrry weak. using a rocket or the likes would be a better use of money.
entropy111111 10 months ago
@entropy111111 The thrust is EXPONENTIAL with increasing Voltage. THere is no limit. And no, the thrust is NOT weak. Look at my Beamships, and the TT Brown saucers I built and flew in 1999, and presented in Reno Nevada in 2000. THese are very heavy.
Beamshipcaptain 9 months ago
@entropy111111 The thrust is EXPONENTIAL with increasing Voltage. THere is no limit. And no, the thrust is NOT weak. Look at my Beamships, and the TT Brown saucers I built and flew in 1999, and presented in Reno Nevada in 2000. THese are very heavy, yet there is no "wind" from them, and they go from a standing start to 12 RPM with the 100-120 kV at some tens of microAmps. High Energy electrostatics produces forcefield phenomena that is indistinguishable from gravity, just like relativity..
Beamshipcaptain 9 months ago
@Beamshipcaptain youre delusional. . .
entropy111111 9 months ago
@entropy111111 Opinions vary. Nevertheless, my Beamships are the largest and most energy thrifty of such devices in the world, after over nine years. And I am published. I have been researching and working with electrogravitcs since 1982. What were YOU doing in 1982? Bottom line, this tech and teangential technologies will form the basis of the starships of the 21st Century.
Beamshipcaptain 9 months ago
@Beamshipcaptain dude....its ion wind..its not that amazing. In the grand scheme of physics, it's pretty damn boring....I mean..really, look at the two alternatives: 1) a 25k potential ionized the air, and moved air particles, or 2) (as you think) a 25k potential DISTORTED SPACE TIME....hahahahahahahahahah...cmon man. you can't be serious. go back to school.
entropy111111 9 months ago
@entropy111111 "Dude", ion wind has an upper limit, and that limit is over 3 orders of magnitude too feeble to cause levitation. The effect is more efficient in vacuum, because cuurrent can be turend way down and there is no corona to rob efficiency. I sealed up TT Brown saucers in platic and they flew backwards, in 2000. A youTuber sent be a vieo of TT Brown saucers he sealed in epoxy and they also flew backwards. Scientist John Fiala flew my Beamships in vacuum, and with onboard power.
Beamshipcaptain 9 months ago
@Beamshipcaptain dude... plastic bags still have air in them...who cares if you put them in some bags....as for john fiala...really..show me the results...cause the guys at blaze labs (google: lifter in vacuum (or see my video description for the link) and NASA..and whole bunch of ACTUAL scientists that get paid to do science proved youre full of it
entropy111111 9 months ago
@entropy111111 No wind can escape a plastic bag. A youtuber even encased TT Brwon discs in epoxy, and they flew backwards also. No wind can escape expxy either. Purdue University, and the US Army showed wirhAlgebra why ion wind is over three orders of magnitude too feeble to cause levitation., Those are also ACTUAL scientists. Takaaki Musha (HONDA R & D) another ACTUAL SCIENTIST showed it works more efficietly in vacuum. NASA even showed it works better in vacuum, their videos are on Youtube.
Beamshipcaptain 9 months ago
@Beamshipcaptain hahaha....again...who gives a shit if "no wind" can escape a plastic bag, you still have air in there that becomes ionic, and thrust towards the skirt. there is a momentum transfer providing thrust regardless if there is a plastic bag around it... respond to the Blazerlabs trial...they used a nice vacuum set up...thats a REAL vacuum. Ive worked with those...it takes like a week to remove all the air. and lo and behold...NO THRUST IN VACUUM.
entropy111111 9 months ago
@entropy111111 Then they grounded the container or some other error. In 1955 in Paris France, the concept was proven with a billionth of an atmosphere. Same thing in 1959, a couple miles from her in King of Prussia, PA. Google ELECTROHYDRODYNAMICS. If no wind can excape the bag, or expxy, you should have no thrust. Instead there is the same thrust, in REVERSE direction. The Effect also cancels out all inertia. Instant satrts and stops and changes of direction at any speed, with no sensation.
Beamshipcaptain 9 months ago
@Beamshipcaptain you know damn well that blaze labs didnt have any grounding errors. That is a very well done experiment. And no, youre still wrong...if there is ANY air inside a bag, you can speed air particles around, which will carry momentum, and you'll have thrust. Think of the earths atmostphere as one giant "bag"...planes still work inside...youre analysis is way off base. New question: if you knew you were wrong, would you admit it.
entropy111111 9 months ago
@entropy111111 Blaze had some kid of error, because electrostatics works in vacuum. THat is the theory behind vacuum tubes. PLUS, there is no air in the resin/epoxy encsed discs. I am no wrong, because I have done the research. Your research is incomplete. US ARMY and university research (Purdue Energy conversion Lab), and TT Brown's own work, Plus John Fiala prove that ion wind is too negligible a force to be of any value. But the Biefeld Brown effect cancels inertia, and is EXPONENTIAL ^ Volts
Beamshipcaptain 9 months ago
This is NOT an ion wind generator. Research JNL Jnaudin Labs. They already proved all this years ago.
Experiments show it works when sealed in a plastic bag,. The 'Lifter' also works inside a vacuum. Although ions may be present, they are not doing the work here. This device creates a gravity well for itself, Literally pulling itself up by it's own bootstraps. Make your own 'ufo': You can find power supply here:
amazing1 DOT com
You are part of the problem promoting 'ions'. STOP!
evolutioncult 11 months ago
@evolutioncult
1) Fuck you...
2) see above.
3) get a physics degree and quit being an internet scholar.
entropy111111 11 months ago
@evolutioncult you fucking idiot this is an ionic lifter NOT antigravity you fucking idiot. nasa has proven these FAIL in a vacuum. fuck. you.
cakefarts 10 months ago
@evolutioncult Thanks for clearing up the disinformation. John Fiala tested my Beamships in vacuum, and they still fly. I sealed TT Brown sheet metal saucers in plastic bags and they still fly BACKWARDS. Someone sent me videos of TT Brown discs sealed in Epoxy; they also fly backwards. Someone is still trying to suppress this warp drive methodology from us. Follow the money trail.
Beamshipcaptain 9 months ago
Awesome! I wanna make one!
Batmansthebomb126 11 months ago
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My Beamships are the largest and most energy efficient Biefeld-Brown effect models in the world, after naerly a decade, still!
Beamshipcaptain 1 year ago
Did you try using 3 colums this time? It should help for it not o dance.
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perplexfraction 1 year ago
why arent the big companies using this to lift plains or something, im sure they could with there resources???????
spacemarine2121 1 year ago
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@spacemarine2121 The military of several countries have since the 1950s.
Beamshipcaptain 1 year ago
@Beamshipcaptain What do the military use it on, i aint never seen it used for warfare purposes?
spacemarine2121 1 year ago
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@spacemarine2121 Such language! They have been seen in our skies worldwide, on the ground, landed, and under water in great numbers since the 1950s.
Beamshipcaptain 1 year ago
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spacemarine2121 1 year ago
@Beamshipcaptain What language lol?
spacemarine2121 1 year ago
how do you use the tv to power it I need to know.
Tyson200422 1 year ago
@Tyson200422
ahah..why do you need to know
entropy111111 1 year ago
Hahaha how to impress your friends with science !!
ovniforos 1 year ago
@TheBeamshipCaptain hahahahha
entropy111111 2 years ago
Magnetic fields my friend, magnetic fields...
They are the key to understanding the only kind of multidimensional interstellar space ship propulsion systems and also real infinite power from within and in spacetime, the larger things are a copy of the smaller things it goes on and on in infinite proportions.
Dan winter and some other folks have researched this phenomenon for decades.
You want to understand the workings of the universe and E.T life then thats where you want to be.
Peace.
Space0wl 2 years ago
Bullshit.
Bending of the space-time continuum wich leads to space ships.Not a simple magnetic field.This ion win didnt work in space.
gun844 2 years ago
Bending the space-time continuum is just one part of multi-dimensional travel wich is done with using magnetic fields generated by a device similair to a magnet wich power surge is generated out of the infinite ether.
You puny delusional humans have earned the distinguished galaxiest retarded planet for you have been kept boxed and prisoned for the longest time recorded in time-space untill this point.
How can you be so full of yourself and correcting someone who has seen them been assembled?
Space0wl 2 years ago
Why?Are you have a proven desing?No.
I think you didnt know what is time.Or what is bending the time itself on some level.I have ideas how to do it .What are you have?Theorys?
And again why? Because it as proven by nasa that your little ion thingy didnt work in cold space.Actually i think it can be more useful is you developing a sunsailing ship.And use it as a template.
The ion thrust can help to that ship somehow.
gun844 2 years ago
@gun844 What if in space you use like a lightbulbthingy that heats or heater cuircuit? Oh never mind I just thought up of 2 reasons why not. Well atleast we will always have Starwars(sigh). I want a drone
1Surge 1 year ago
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@gun844 NASA's vacuum chamber prooved it works in space, in 2000!
Beamshipcaptain 1 year ago
@Space0wl Too much fractal juice for you sir!!
ovniforos 1 year ago
is this the same tech they used to raep at montauk?
randombeamshipman 2 years ago
Ion wind? I don't think it's possible!! It might be god miracle?? ahah! i'm jockin!
lilcarmichael 2 years ago
Avast me hearties, me crew be searchin these wide seas for the scurvy dog author who impugns my good friend, Long John Searl: maybe ye have heard this suddy yarn, known in these parts as:
"Tirade of The Lifters Beaming, The Curse of the Crank Searl"
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"Everyone ought to bear patiently the results of his own conduct." Shakespeare indeed, for in wroth's haste I did rant but 3 days ago, wrongfully berating my colleagues in public forum. Wrong I did them, and wrong was I. Since that vulgar display I have seen perforce the strange worth of these marvelous devices, and worth bestow to all of those that bring forth the news to all of mankind!! (Lifters let you control the actions of re-aninated corpses when placed on their heads!)
BeamshipFrankenstein 2 years ago
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BeamshipFrankenstein 2 years ago
I thought we were all on the same page when we last spoke at COFE 3. You guys as a group came to me, and I know my instructions to all of you were the same. You run the electricity through the dead human bodies, and you get a monster. Then sit back and watch the fun. You got the electricity part right, but I don't understand the balsa wood and tin foil. These things won't scare anyone, and the only way it will kill your fiances is if she gets careless with the wires. Forget COFE 4.
BeamshipFrankenstein 2 years ago
either that or yoush guysh pushed all the thumbsh down six timesh and it took em off...
JimBeamship 2 years ago
now he'sh trying another shcam: He'sh "Playing the Victim"
so'sh youtubesh will shick their copsh on all hish impershonatorsh when they get finished laughingsh..whoa
JimBeamship 2 years ago
How about we all concede he's as good as Sting?
you know, StingshipCaptain, maybe?
JimBeamship 2 years ago
"So under hard vacuum conditions, a force of 110 grams (1.1 Newtons) could be achieved for power expenditure of just 0.5 Watt. (250,000 Volts times 2 x 10 ^-6 Apms), or 2,200 Newtons of thrust per KiloWatt. That is about 150 times the Thrust to Power Ratio of a Jet Engine! Also it is 10,000 times greater than the thrust-to poser-ratio of a space-shuttle-Main engine".-SECRETS OF ANTIGRAVITY PROPULSION(2008), Paul A. LaViolette,PhD.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
You reference the same theories all the time.... if it were true, you could do it on video and end all this debate.
But I have been asking you for the video. You don't have one of your own. You fail.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
Where is your video that I have been asking you to provide for over a year now.
Show the vacuum chamber! Show the lifter! (not the asymmetrical capacitor rotating a couple degrees then stopping). That is not the same.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
I don't have a video of a vacuum-chaber lifter, but others do, including from the inventor, TT Brown, home movies of which I obtained in 1990. Would love to do some vacuum-work. Are you providing the funding? No need. Successful vacuum-work is in the literature, and on video online. The vast majority of vacuum tests show increased efficiency; Brown showed in Paris in 1955, at GE Space Center in 1959, AH Bahnson Labs in 1956-58, T.Musha at the 2007 AIAA; if that is not enough,something is wrong.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
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Joeviocoe 2 years ago
"I don't have video of a vacuum chamber lifter, but others do" -bsc
No, they don't. They have asymmetrical capacitors that rotate only a few degrees then stop... in a vacuum.
After all these years? You are in charge of manned space flight at swallowcommand and you have never tested in a vacuum? GO TO A UNIVERSITY and ask to use the lab.
"Successful vacuum work is in the literature" -bsc
Do you honestly believe that because it is in writing, it is true? Science fiction fanatic!
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
Actually I have seen that very same video on display at a Kenmore convention, it was a test of a new prototype oven, the 'lifter' is actually a brace on which is mounted the prepped corpse of a chicken or turkey. Thirty of these braces can be mounted in this new oven, for production cooking of a whole lotta chickens, turning slowly as they cook. I remind everyone that there is nothing in that video that identifies it as anything else. (I worked in advertising at the time)
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
You are wasting your time. He will repeat himself ad nauseum, it is like some mantra thing, or an obsession. I get the idea he is trying harder to convince himself than trying to convince you. Hey, better that it's lifters rather than booze or cocaine, right? He's not a bad guy, and he's not crazy as you can see from his other videos; he's got real friends and plays in a band, and actually is a pretty darn good bass player. But he is a heckuva lot of fun to bait... right, Captain?
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
Way too much fun actually.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
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Joeviocoe 2 years ago
The worst kind of guilty pleasure; kicking special olympians?
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
I am trying to get him to see the error of his methodology. I think we have something if he recognizes his own hypocrisy of quoting that he believes the scientific method involves REPEATING the experiments (as quoted here "watch?v=Jk2GGoMJ7NU")
And the fact that he has never flown a lifter in a vacuum, and hasn't even had access to a vacuum chamber. And the fact that beamshipcaptain has only been taking selected papers as gospel while rejecting papers that conclude the counterarguments.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
You may actually get him to admit it, but then if you come back in a week it will be back to business as usual. I think it's more of a blind faith thing. It's like guys who go into bars looking to fight - they'll get their teeth broken and they still go back for more. But here no violence, it's manic altruism, a committed desire to build the idealistic world of Star Trek, which is a good thing, so this is his fight to get it.
People may get annoyed but no one's teeth are broken.
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
just my keyboard as I smash my head into it in frustration.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
Don't forget to remove the 'G' key from your smashed keyboard, it's actually an Illuminati spy device.. 'G' for Government. I say stuff like that just to be absurd, but I guarantee someone's mind somewhere has started turning on it: 'Yeah, that makes sense! They are reading my thoughts through it, and the G is the middle key of the keyboard" or some such other bizarre rationalization.
It's a joke, it's made of plastic. Embedded with a microbio sensor keyed to you by your touch blahblahblah
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
I agree that this is considered harmless zealotry.
But I think much of the world's problems stem from mis-education.
Pseudoscientific belief distract and steal resources from legitimate problems.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
Yeah, but as long as we have youtube to identify and give that hugely needed public forum to these guys, chances are that it will occupy/satisfy their egos so that they won't waste time or money pounding on real doors. Seeing those magnet nuts, there may be one or two miracles in there where you might've otherwise seen a bomb maker had his mind not gotten intrigued by magnet (or lifter!) videos. Don't have to have a lot of intellect to fall into an intellectual trap.
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
Very true... Soapboxes do have the benefit of preventing these types from seeking attention through more violent means.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
I especially like how the Captain goes through and clicks all the 'thumb down' on comments he doesn't like, and the 'thumbs up' on the ones he likes, that's great. I follow behind him and click the opposite. And he tells other lifter guys that I'm a fraud, then they leave comments on my channel that the 'youtube police' have my IP address, and my channel will be shut down; I'll be prosecuted for fraud.
I never guessed the internet was so much fun.
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
Yeah... i too remove the thumb downs for everyone.
I am trying to help him distinguish reality from the virtual. Like the factual from the theoretical. Youtube is so virtual, his identity cannot be stolen (unless he posts his SSN)
By definition, wrong theories will significantly outnumber correct ones. He doesn't know that yet.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
Do you ever get the idea that deep down he does know the difference? Watch his other videos, there aren't any tinfoil helmet videos. Just tinfoil lifters, but they actually work, just not the way he claims, but he doesn't sell them on his claims. It's seems more like an Oddfellows club, where the game is never admit you are wrong. You know, word was that established respectable scientists told Tesla his AC generator idea was a 'perpetual motion scam'.....
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
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Thodomfan 2 years ago
You guys got it squared, and are definitely at the top of the ticket. those other guys are fulla shit, you betcha.
Say, you got a coupla bucks so's a buddy can get a drink?
JimBeamship 2 years ago
Or it may be a case where we are just assuming the merchant's scales are capable of being properly calibrated. We might open the case and find there is no balance mechanism inside. I've made that mistake before that before, oh boy...
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
ah I'm getting punchy... omit the 'that before' prior to the 'oh boy' in previous post.
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
Yeah fella, we all get punchy, comes with the territory. You'll knuckle under and get it done, no problem, you'll see,
Say.. you got a coupla bucks for guy who could use a drink?
JimBeamship 2 years ago
It's kind of like someone with heavy religious beliefs, but he's replaced the impractical barbarity of religion with a faith that science can cure all ills. When I was a little kid I didn't believe in Santa or Jesus but anything spoken by Kirk or Spock was gospel. It puts responsibility in our hands and says no to the supernatural; you don't need to die to go to heaven, it can be built by putting faith in science. Even if he's wrong, he 'knows' science will one day make it right somehow.
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
If they did'nt work in a vacuum, VACUUM TUBES would not work.Lab devices weighing 100 grams have produced thrust of 110 grams, for input of 500 Watts(250,000Vots@2 milliApms). Performed in air of 1Atm.Supplementary research indicates much greater efficiency in vacuum(10^-4mm Hg or better) when current drops to about 2 microAmperes.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
This is what I think people mean when they apply the term
'tour de force'
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
You fraud, they mean 'tour de farce'. Impostor, you twist and twist and scream in 'a cage of your own making'. BeamshipCaptain told me in a reply on another video that
'Your cage is of your own making'. I thought that it was pretty good, and does tempt me to actual criminal behaviour: I am tempted to plagiarize that statement without
giving the Captain credit. Of course I should count myself lucky.. many have to deal with temptations of a much grimmer sort: booze, drugs, women, lifters.
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
"Selfish Steam", oh jeez, BeamshipGeneral, that was BRILLIANT!! HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW...wait... I might be confused...aren't I BeamshipGeneral?... omigod, I just replied to one of my own posts as if I thought I was someone else!! GAWD SAVE ME!! THE CAPTAIN IS RIGHT!! I AM IMPERSONATING MYSELF!! (sounds of heavy wracked sobbing) oh, Gawd, help me (more wracked sobbing, arms thrashing wildly) what'll I do?? (sobs ebbing) ah, it's no big deal. HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
And,stop using names similar to mine please. I am flattered really, but surely you can do better?
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Ah-ha!! I almost said "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" earlier when you were talking all that fraud stuff'. Anyway(back to the real fun), I was wondering about why they liked the triangular wire, because I also thought the edges caused the corona and sparks and that round wire was the best. I gotta listen more closely to those guys, and I'll ask them the next time I see them. I have thought of experimenting with this stuff, but really don't have much time.
BeanshipCaptain 2 years ago
Triangular cross-section wire makes no-sense. Tell me what to google, and I'll take a gander at it. Peace.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
I never thought of looking it up on google about the sharp wire thing....googled 'lifter with sharp edged wire' ..yep, there are only links about leakage with sharp edge. I only saw their first lifter with a really small round copper wire, they were talking later about the gold tri-wire later, but I haven't seen it. Been a while since I saw those guys, but they are strictly ion-wind characters, they say it's no way it'll be anything else; by-the-book physics types.
BeanshipCaptain 2 years ago
They would get better results with less-input energy if they abandoned that line of thinking and followed TT Brown's patents and lab-notes ,which I have. Peace.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Hey boys, sorry I been gone. Tonight I am posting from fabulous Macau (Hong Kong's crazier little brother) Got a few minutes before getting back to the internet censorship convention downstairs. Guess what the topic is: gizmo called a 'censorchip' HA! We never get tired of saying things like "this amazing new censorchip makes censorship so much more fun than it used to be". It's gonna be installed on all new computers in 2010. Except for Apple; goddamn Steve Jobs, won't play ball.
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
So does the 'ion breeze' have more in common with (but not akin to) a microwave than an actual movement of the air we breathe, not like air moving over the wing of a plane? Like the microwave excites water molecules, thereby causing heat from friction, which 'cooks' the food. Guess maybe the volt saturated copper wire 'excites' air (nitrogen or oxygen atoms? both? based on frequency of the voltage?) so that frictioned(?) ions 'race' to the foil?
Does it work with other metallic foils?
BeanshipCaptain 2 years ago
As you know, whoevery you are, the biefeld Brown effect has been measured at 100-million times greater than the force of ion wind. I have been reading Jean Louis Naudin's site for ten-years. William J. Beaty proved several years ago with experiments with a digital anemometer, and simple algebra, that the air-movement (only 1.5 mph) was less thatn half of the airspeed needed to levitate lifter-2. So obviously, another force is involved. The inventor, TT Brown dubbed it ELECTROGRAVITY,in 1928.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
It should work with ANY conductor, CARBON WIRE works the best, but it is more brittle than stainless-steel, (we use .003" stainless for corona-suppression, and increased lifting-force, as you probably knew already), and force is increaseed exponentially with increasing Voltage. Only enough Current is rquired to replace leakage -losses. The reason these work is STORAGE AND RETENTION OF CHARGE. That's why seams and sharp-corners are avoided on the devices.There is a physical limit to ion-wind.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Have you heard anything about getting better results from a wire that wasn't round but itself had sharp edges, or a wire that had a triangular core (cross section is a perfect triangle, three sharp edges) Stainless steel, that's interesting. The guys I know who do it like copper or gold wire, and said they got the best lift from a triangular gold wire (they are a bunch of lifter nuts at Columbia Univ) I'll ask what they meant by 'best lift' though, not sure.
BeanshipCaptain 2 years ago
No. And we do not want sharp corners anywhere. We make it just like the patent USPat# 2,949,550, which shows ROUND wire and forward-electrode. Which is what I used in teh TT Brown saucers I built starting at the end of January, 1990. They worked fine. Sharp corners csue corona and leakage-losses that rob power, and force. Ideally we want ROUNDED surfaces and corners on the TT Brown saucer, because that produces far more thrust for less powerinput. We only need enough current to replace leakage.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
It appears that Brown was cyclically varying the Voltage accross the plates of the electrokinetic apparatus at frequencies of around 750 megaHertz to maintain a high thrust condition. The ELECTROHYDRODYNAMICS report notes the thrust on the EK apparatus was observed to increase directly with K-factor of the dielectric and according to the square (and in some cases the cube) of the applied Voltage. A dielectic w/ a factor of 50, 12 times greater than Pyrex, would produce 12-fold greater thrust.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
These thrust measurments showed ion-wind is insuficient a force by ordres of magnitude. For example, an upward thrust of 110 grams is equal to force of 10^5 dynes. By Comparison,a 2 microAmpere ion wind resulting from electrons accelerated in a 250-kiloVolt potential would yield a force of somewhat over 10^-3 dynes, almost 100 million times less than the lift produced by Brown's Electrokinetic Apparatus (which I built in 1990).
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
There was a website of a guy (don't think it was Naudin) who built lifters specifically to see how much payload they could lift, had a big one that could lift something about the size of a soccer ball, and had a video of it lifting the soccerball-thing. I think the confusion with the ion wind thing is that people expect an actual air current-type moving air breeze, but as I understand it the 'ion breeze' emits at the wire and terminates at (being attracted to) the foil and goes no farther?
BeanshipCaptain 2 years ago
Bottom line, lifters use Ions from either the dielectric air or from ions stripped from the electrodes and causes them to move either in long distance wind form or ion drift.
Simply put, Ions are formed from matter available and set in motion. The term is Electrokenetics.
Any theory that supposes that gravity being altered is unsubstantiated.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
The reason why this occurs is delineated with the requiste equations in SUBQUANTUM KINETICS. Google it.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Hence NASAs ion propulsion engine was 10,00 times less efficient than Brown's electrokinetic disc. Under hard vacuum, such as ws achieved in Winston Salem NC at Bahnson Labs, upward force of 110 grams (1.1 newtons) could be achieved for power expenditure of just 0.5 Watt(250,000 Volts times 2 x 10^-6 Amps), or 2,200 newtons of thrust per kiloWatt. That is about 150 tiems the thrust to power ratio of a jet engine. Also, it is 10,000 times greater than the thrust to power of a shuttle main-engine
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
That is Nasa's ion propulsion engine is 10,000 times less efficient than TT Brown's electrokinetic disc.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Report by Whitehall Rand ELECTROHYDRODYNAMICS (1960) notes under harder vacuum conditions of 10^-12 mm Hg as in space, Brown's electrokinetic device would be expected to achieve even higer efficiency due to a further reduction in ion leakage power consumption. The report also compared the observed thrust with that of the NASA ion propulsion engine, which weighed 10 times as much as Brown's saucer and produced only 28 grams of force for an input of of 1200 Watts, or just 0.23 newton per kilowatt
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Purdue a d T. Musha, and Hector Serrano and US army reports all explin why TT Brown the French Govt. the US Army and the US Air Force have shown why they work in a vacuum, and that the force of ion wind is insufficient to cause movement,let alone levitation.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Um... your still confusing two separate things. Asymmetrical capacitors do move in a vacuum. But not your lifters.
It's like you confusing your name with your online alias all over again.
But the Army Research Lab (my linked pdf below) showed that Ion drift could be sufficient to cause levitation.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
Beamships are large flying models. Lifters are tiny, inefficient little test devices. I built TT Brown saucers and flew them at 120kV at some tens of microAmps, starting in the 1990s. Bagged, they started to fly BACKWARDS.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Purdue University flew Lifters in hard vacuum in September of 2000. Separate tests also show increased efficiency in vacuum, especially with a high-mass-high K-factor dielectric, like Titanium-Dioxide, or Barium-Titanate.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
"Heavy 'gravitors have replaced led balls suspended on wires. Rotating frames supporting two and four gravitors have made possible acceleration measurements. Molecular gravitators made of solid blocks of massive dielectric have have given still greater efficiency. Rotors and pendulums operating under oil have eliminated atmospheric conditions as to pressure, temperature, and humidity. The effects of ionisation,electron emission have been eliminated"-HOW I CONTROL GRAVITATION, TT Brown,1929
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Once again "unproven theoretical papers"
If it could have been done in 1929, then you should be able reproduce the experiment in 2009.
After all, in science, nothing is true until it is independently verified by reproduction.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
Why do you think my Beamships (tm) are still after 8-years the largest and most energy-efficient of such devices in the world, in all history (except a 5-meter Japanese design). Research, since 1982, and hard work, and practical experimetn, and talking to EVERYBODY, and meeting and talking with the scientists who actually worked with TT Brown, as I did in 1990, I obtained TT Brown home movies from Sev Bonnie, a scientist who worked with Brown, whom I met in 1990 in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Because your focusing on something that is not debated.
None of yours (as big or efficient as you have) will ever work in a full vacuum. You have built so many. And whenever someone here asks you to film it flying in a full vacuum, you refer them to unproven theoretical papers or video of something completely different from lifters like an asymmetrical capacitor rotating a few degrees in a vacuum.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
Brown discovered in Paris during successful vacuum tests sponsored by the French Govt. that ther thrust also persisted even when the capacitor elements in a rotor (such as I built 10-years ago) were each surrounded by plexiglas enclosures. Since ther was no way that ino-wind could escape from the enclosures, ion thrust could be ruled out as a motive force. Barium Titanate placed betwenn the electrodes produced a markedly increased trhust over air or vacuum.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Given credence to the Ion Drift force.
A common misconception is that each air particle would travel all the way from electrode to electrode (like wind would). This is not true, each particle moves only a bit (resulting in collisions.
But since the electromagnetic field passes through plexiglass, the air doesn't need to travel, the field move each particle independently.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
That is what ion wind is: MOVING AIR.
To put into perspective, Brown's electrified disc was almost 100-million times greater than what could reasonably be generated by an ion wind.For example, a thrust of 110-grams(as Brown's 100-gram disc in vacuum) is equal to a force of 10^5 dynes. By comparison, a 2 microAmp ion wind from electrons accelerated in a 250 kV potential would yield a force of only about 10^-3 dynes, almost 100-million times less than the lift produced by Brown's disc.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
and the proof of this can be found... *drumroll* nowhere!
you need links man... take out the spaces around the period so you can post them here.
Noticed how I am the only one providing sources with links from recent studies.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
No you ae not. I always provide sources from recent studies, and I know personally many of the people who made them, and I reconnected with them 3-weeks ago in Washington SC at COFE III. Actual photos of my work are in books on new energy technology, and you can do the same experiments and see if you get same results I and others got.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Okay.. repost something from the last decade.. as I have read Naudin, Brown, Ventura, NASA, and Searl.
The only ones that do anything in a vacuum are the asymmetrical capacitors that produce angular momentum which is NOT the same as your lifters. I have yet to see a lifter in full vacuum fly. Post a link already.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
Get ELECTROGRAVITICS II II, by Tom Valone, who hosted COFE III, that I attended 3 weeks ago (Integrity Institute of Washington DC) SECRETS OF ANTIGRAVITY PROPULSION, by my friend and colleague, Dr. PA LaViolette, and I gave you the snail-mail address of the Perdue University energy conversion lab who found as TT Brown and T. Musha and Einstein and Laub and NASA and Hector Serrano did: that these electrogravity devices work BETTER in vacuum, due to less coronal-losses, Voltage can be turned up.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
William B Stein, "Electrokinetic Propulsion: The Ionic Wind Argument", Purdue University Energy Conversion Lab, Hangar #3, Purdue Airport, West Lafayette, IN 47906, Sept. 5, 2000. Go to foldedspace(dot)com ad search Purdue(dot) doc
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
foldedspace is Gravitec
Not a credible source for anything. And i cannot search the site for perdue
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
Gravitect and NASA showed in 1999 that the effect works better in vacuum, you can see the video on youtube. And you give up too easily. I never give up. That is why I am a leader in this field for nearly two decades now.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Yes, I have seen that several times... I even posted on my uploaded video a link to the NASA report concerning that experiment. The conclusion stated very clearly that the effect was Ions in motion.
Whether an asymmetrical capacitor stripping its own ions from the electrode material or using air, it still had nothing to do with gravity.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
That directly conflicts with their report showing that "ions ion motion cannot happen in a vacuum". ions in motion are 100-million times less force than the observed lift and thrust in horizontal-plane, as the US Army report and the ELECTROHYDRODYNAMICs report from 1960, of Electron-Atom corp of BalaCynwyd, PA and Whitehall-Rand. HONDA R & D also agrees, as does my colleague and client, Dr. Ted Loder, who bought one of my kits at the INE symposium in 2002 where I delivered one of my paper.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
That is why no lifter will fly in a vacuum.
But those videos showing a asymmetrical capacitor rotating a few degrees could be easily caused by heavy metal ions stripping off even in a vacuum. That's how ion propulsion current works in space.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
You tell him captain.. be sure to tell him about
NASA/CR—2004-213312, page 6, paragraph one.
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
Okay, this is actual updated science on the subject.. Better sit down for this one...
Force on an Asymmetric Capacitor
by Thomas B. Bahder and Chris Fazi
Army Research Laboratory
Adelphi, MD 20783-1197
arxiv . org/ftp/physics/papers/0211/0211001 . pdf (remove spaces)
In this 1960 patent, entitled Electrokinetic Apparatus, Brown gives the clearest explanation of the physics of the Biefeld-Brown effect. Brown makes several important
statements, including:
...
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
• the greatest force on the capacitor is created when the small electrode is positive
• the effect occurs in a dielectric medium (air)
• the effect can be used for vehicle propulsion or as a pump of dielectric fluid
• Browns understanding of the effect, in terms of ionic motion
• the detailed physics of the effect is not understood
In the following, we reproduce Browns first two figures
This means even TTBrown is against your claims of not needing air.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
They clearly state in the Badher Fazi paper FORCE ON AN ASYMMETRIC CAPACITOR:" A simple upper limit on the ion wind force shows that the ion wind effect is a factor of at least 3 orders of magnitude too small." Do you have ANY idea how much an order of magnitued is? it is followed by accepted equations showing why this is so.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
The US Army report by Badher and Fazi also states: "If the capacitor is surrounded by vacuum(rather than a dielectric, such as air), the net force F on the asymmetric capacitor can be computed by the sum of two surface integgrals, one surface of the negative electrode (4th equation), where E is the electric field due to charges on the ionised air between electrodes(excluding the field due to surface-charges on the capacitor electrodes."
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Now ask yourself "why would surface integrals be needed"?
Because, as explained on page 12, there is a force based on ions stripped of the electrodes.
That is how REAL ion drives work in space. By creating ions from on-board materials and accelerating them in one direction.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
This report also gives the requiste equations and further states: " Again,this value is at least 3 orders of magnitude too small to account for lifting a capacitor with mass of 3-5 grams. Therefore, the ionic wind contribution is too small, by at least 3 orders of magnitude to account for the observed force on the asymmetric capacitor."
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Ah... you fell right into the logical fallacy of counting hits while ignoring the misses.
You seem not mention that the paper says that Ionic drift could indeed account for the force.
And when I claim it is "Ionic Wind", I encompass both drift and wind (check my posts from several months back).
"the interplay between the dynamics of ionization of the air in the high-field region surrounding the electrodes and charge transport"
Is isn't wind really but people can understand it as air moving.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
Even better: NASA/CR—2004-213312, page 6, paragraph one. And shocker of shockers: at Gravitec's website they have the report that NASA sources for their 2004 conclusion.. google 'gravitec inc data talley', download the pdf and read the conclusions on page 91. Robert L Talley concludes it's just reacting to the chamber. Of course someone like Mythbusters could try to videotape ...WHOOPS!! they did!! Doggone it, I need my evening zotz of Tesla beam.
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
youtube . com / watch?v=Jk2GGoMJ7NU
The scammers that sell these lifters love to quote and reference REAL experiments into electrostatic motion. But they come up with their own conclusions. Like Beamshipcaptain does. Every serious experimenter has concluded that it WILL NOT WORK IN A VACUUM.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
Why would they not work in a vacuum? THis is how VACUUM TUBES work! -Woodward James,"Flux Capacitors and the Origin of Inertia," FOUNDATIONS OF PHYSICS V.34,2004, p.1475,Purdue flew lifters in hard vacuum- William B Stein,"Electrokinetic Propulsion, THe Ionic Wind Argument", Purdue University Energy Conversion Lab,Hangar #3, Purdue Airport, West Lafayette, IN 47906,Sept.5,2000.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
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Joeviocoe 2 years ago
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Joeviocoe 2 years ago
William B. Stein, "Electrokinetic Propulsion: The Ionic Wind Argument, Purdue University Energy Conversion Lab, Hangar #3, Purdue Airport, West Lafayette, IN 47906, Sept. 5, 2000, Graham and Lahoz, "Observation of Static Electromagnetic Angular Momentum in Vacuo," NATURE,V. 285, May 15,1980, p. 129.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Always an angular momentum paper never something that lifts... Hmmm, I wonder why.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
Purdue University Flew Lifters in hard vacuum, in 2000, after I flew heavy sheet metal 1-meter diameter TT Brwon flying saucers, bagged, and naked, on only a few watts of electrical energy, in clear violation of the 1st law of Thermodynamics; more motion is created than is proportianally input in energy-units.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Demonstration witnessed June 24, 2000, in Reno, Nevada, before an audience of scientists and military-people. I replicated TT Brown's patent US Pat # 2,949,550, and of course it worked much better than claimed in the patent, in the 1990s, here in Pennsylvania.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
and your proof of this is... nowhere to be found.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
I am sure that the "Impersonation" term in the rules refers to pretending to be Actual personalities in real life. Not impersonating some other unknown poster.
For example, if someone claimed to be Cher and her Official Youtube page and started uploading videos of Cher, etc. That would be grounds for account deletion.
Just because you have been posting on youtube for years doesn't entitle you to rights to the name "Beamshipcaptain" or any other variation.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
Using a similar name to another person is impersonation, according to youtube. Plus this crazy-person actually has the gall to use my real name on one of his fraudulent sites, and then tries to sound as crazy as possible, even contacts MY friends, passing himself off as me using my real name. That is a crime.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
"has the gall to use my real name on one of his fraudulent sites" -Beamshipcaptain
Are you saying that he found out your real name (the one on your birth certificate)? Or are you so deluded that you think "Beamshipcaptain" IS really your name.
*must have been a rough childhood beamy*
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
He us using my Surname and Christian name. And representing himself to people as me. Which is fraudulent.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Is your surname Beam? And what do you mean by "Christian" name?
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
Christian name is your LAST name. My name is Russell Anderson, and I can provide a Birth Certificate from May, 1961,Drivers License that you may check with Motor Vehicles, as well as images that prove I am who I say I am, and bibligraphical references with my work and professor Searl's websites have my photo and photos of some of my work from a decade ago. This impersonator can provide no such proof of ID, nor any references at all.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
so how does "Russell Anderson" sound, spell or is pronounced ANYTHING like "Beamshipcaptain"
????
Did he ever say that he was "Russell Anderson"? Not that I have seen, I have looked at his posts. Funny stuff too.
You have an alias here on youtube. No law protects your right to have that alias.
An "Alias" is by definition, NOT YOUR REAL IDENTITY. That's like someone stealing your fake I.D. with the name "McLovin" on it.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
He has stated his name on his channes as Russell or Russell anderson, and I have had more than one person tell me privately that he has approached them using my first, or first and last name, which he lists as his own on some of his fraudulent channels. He certainly has said he is me on his posts. Scroll down. The fact that you are defending him shows you are as crazy as he is.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
The fact that you are defending him shows that I just don't like you. Which is more plausible I think. But I am willing to discuss it with you so I am.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
"The fact that you are defending him shows that I just don't like you. Which is more plausible I think. But I am willing to discuss it with you so I am".-Joviocoe, Oct.27,2009.
I let this statement stand for the entire community to see. It speaks for itself; I rest my case.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
What case? The fact that I don't like you is not news, controversial, nor grounds for legal action. I don't expect you like me either.
Nothing in the Youtube rulebook says we have to like each other. Yet we can still argue our respective points effectively.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
I never said I don't like you (it is not a matter of like or dislike, such issues never come up in science, which is always unemotional and unbiased). But I don't have too much patience with people who simply use invective, and are skeptical to a fault, and refuse to do research, and expect to be spoonfed every bit of research, when I used to spend DAYS in the library researching this stuff, DECADES before the internet. You have it easy today. Try this line of experimet yourself. And see...
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Your right about me having it easy. The multitude of information at my googling fingertips.
The point is simple, you are making the claim of electrogravity and I am the skeptic.
YOU have the burden of proof! Not me. When I claim a positive statement, then I will have to do the research. But my statements are negative (meaning I don't assert a preposition) while your statements are positive because you claim to have new theory of gravity as it relates to electricity.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
The future always belongs to the doer-s, NOT the idle-dreamers, and never the skeptics. The skeptical scientist of 1902 said "Man would not fly for a thousand years". Going to the moon was "impossible" in the 1940s. Technological progress is the result of inventing NEW systems, not perfecting old ones. We go around the world 500-times faster than in Columbus' time not because we have boats that go 500-times faster, but because we have spacecraft. In Columbus' time no one could imagine spacecraft
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Common pseudoscience used by many scammers (not calling you one)
Skeptics said this, skeptics said that, and they were wrong. So you must be wrong.
Notice they usually bring up the generality rather that a specific theory.
I don't say that electricity will not enable us to fly through space (the generality), but I do say, what you built will not. Or your particular theory holds no water.
See the difference?
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
This is no scam. That is the difference. A scam will sooner or later be exposed as such, but this technology of field effect propulsion, or gravity control, goes back over 100 years, to pioneers such as George S. Piggott, and many others in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it. The history of science and innovation is a history of many times slow acceptace of controversial ideas.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Well I didn't call your theory a scam... Unsubstantial, yes, but scam, no.
Joeviocoe 2 years ago
It's NOT my theory. I just helped to do some research and practical experimetn, and I built and flew the largest and heaviest TT Brown saucers in the world in 1999, none that size had flown since 1960 (publicly). I am not new to this work. Tim Ventura was new to this work. But he dropped out of sight, sadly, a victim of depression, divorce, and alcoholism. Tortise and the hare.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
No, it's a scam, I should know, I am in on it. WHOOPS!! Talk about letting the cat out of the bag!! I should know not to open my big keyboard until I've had my morning Tesla shock therapy. It worked wonders for him, he tore up the contract that would've made him the world's first trillionaire. All us Beamship guys are way smarter, though. We keep our secret tech under wraps and just use red herrings to confuse people. Amazing what gobbledegook people will believe.
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago
And you are fooling noone.There is no secret tech we keep under wraps, and you are a fraud, impersonator and everyone can see that you have self-esteem issues.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Howdy captain!! (slaps him on the back, very much in a hail-fellow-well-met manner) Gee I missed you. Been busy overseas seeing to 'affairs' (ahem). Still here in fabulous Macau; oh you should see the sights. The Chinese have some great ideas about lifters, you betcha. I paid our respects at Dr. Tsien's (now spelled Xuesen) memorial service, he was great man of rocketry and science. Did wonders for space programs. Hie thee skyward, Dr. Tsien/Xuesen's spirit, we all love thee. So how's tricks?
BeamshipGeneral 2 years ago