Joh 5:24 "I am telling you the truth: those who hear my words and believe in him who sent me have eternal life. They will not be judged, but have already passed from death to life.
Funny, the people being spoken to hear are actually hearing the words of this man-god, makes it so much more compelling.
We, unfortunately don't rate such a luxury, eh? We are forced to forget all we've learned from science, which has helped us survive as long as we have, and just have faith.
What a pity you find this sort of thing appealing.
Dear SShanez: The rats are running from the flood, or I should say "fire." Peter Wagner and all his fake "apostles" are jumping ship on Todd. They knew he was a phony, but the pushed him and got caught. Burn your subscription to Charisma. Grady and Stang are Wagner "apostles" and they are running from the "fire" too.
So sad to know that there are lots of people who believed ... The more we need to pray for these people... Thanks for posting this video... served as a reminder to all real Christians to be zealous in propagating the truth. God bless.
And what is the truth? That a man named Jesus, whom has no historical records of his existence, was born of a virgin to bear your sins and arise from the dead?
You don't have any clue what truth is. Truth doesn't come by reading a single book and expecting all the answers. It comes from examinating all possiblities and combining evidence to produce a solution. You have not done that, so why mock someone who does the exact same thing as you, except on a larger scale?
Well, that's your personal opinion and I have to respect that. But still I stand to what I've said and you have to respect that too. By the way, I did not mocked anyone... Thanks for your comment anyway...
I wouldn't say the peoples faith is small at all. In fact, their faith probably outpowers yours. Only the faithful could believe such ridiculous claims.
You find his declaration of 21 resurrections facetious, you wonder how anyone could believe these claims without evidence. Yet I'm sure you pray daily to a being you've never seen while millions of other people do the same. So where do you draw the line on what should be believed and not?
Those people that are deceived,they believe the Bible,like me,but they are going along with these false teachers even though the know that Christ is the only resurrector.
That is the issue.You didnt even understand what you commented about.Its a matter of Christ and not your science books.
I dont want to come and try to tell you what science theory to believe in.
Each his own,yes?
We,Christians,we rebuke each other so we wont stray,get used to it ;)
You say you believe Jesus resurrects, this is a product of your faith. You have no evidence to believe it, you just do based on emotions and possibly upbringing.
And, I don't think the rebuking does much good, do you? How many denominations of Christianity are there? Too many to count. You have a book, called the bible, that is so vague anyone can use it to entitle their faith.
FYI, in science, when something is a theory it's a fact.
A scientific assumption would be known as a hypothesis. It isn't until it has been tested by more than one other scientist that a hypothesis becomes a theory. In reality you can never be 100% certain, but certain enough.
As for rebuking, I suppose sheep will be herded, eh?
You know my position concerning god, but I'm sure you don't know my position on many other things.
Don't you think that if Jesus existed he would have been viewed as a heretic by the Jews for not obeying gods laws?
Ok, so Jesus was killed for going against Jewish law, basically, just like many others. I think Jesus was before his time, morally speaking. He was attempting to change the status quo, embracing love and forgiveness instead of the many Jewish laws.
Th definition of faith is belief despite evidence. I believe nothing without proper facts and evidence, so I don't think I would be considered a faithful person.
But I do respect your views, you have a right to them as much as I do my own.
And what good would it do? Jesus himself begged his "father" not to allow him to endure the immense amount of suffering. It did no good. Not even god's son is goo enough for his mercy. Us mere humans don't stand a chance against gods wrath.
wah ok man some religios fruit cakes have said that i know. Jesus died and went to hell so you would never have to. He is the Father and died to take the consiquenses of your bad decisions as any truly good father would.
And you believe this? How do you know Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected? Were you there? You do realize the gospels are not sufficient evidence, in fact the differences in the 4 gospels are down right disgraceful.
So you want me to believe some man, who there is no authentic record of existing, died on the cross and arose from the dead, defying the natural order? You must be out of your mind.
I wouldn't believe that anymore than I would believe Zeus lived in Mt Olympus.
your right when I first learned of the diferences in the gospels i was shocked but as i pondered on it i began to think they were not contrived. And anyway it did not phase me, cause by that time I had a joy stomger than the love with a woman busting out all over my life.
You don't need to trust in man if you trust Jesus.
Joh 5:24 ...those who hear my words and believe in him who sent me HAVE eternal life. They will NOT be judged, but have already passed from DEATH to life.
I know you know nothing about me, but I was actually a minister in training in my late teens. I have preached before, conducted healings and saved souls. I learned the trade very well, it's all about playing on peoples emotions.
Thankfully I was always the smartest in the class, when I received a thorough education in college I saw that emotions do not make something real. What physical evidence is there to support ones beliefs. This is how an evolved man attempts to continue evolving.
"But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." -1 Cor 9:27
You healed?
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." -Matt 7:22f
You think you're so clever spouting out your ancient scribblings, don't you? Trust me, you don't want to play games with your scriptures, they are some of the most vile, horrendous ever concocted by man.
Yes I preached, and no I didn't heal. I pretended to heal, and the crowd played along. It's very simple. It has to do with the music you play, the atmosphere of emotions in the crowd. You try to change the crowds emotions quickly.
People are extremely gullible, especially the religious. You start them off with fast paced music, get their blood pumping. Then you change the pace to a very slow, emotional progression until the service.
You also use the crowd to your advantage. Most of the crowd will be followers to begin with, so they'll watch others to see what they should be doing.
The Nazis were pros when it came to crowds, and the results were very close to what you see in Christian "crusades" today.
The other thing you MUST do when it comes to healing is come up with what I like to call a "power-word". It's a word you use a lot, and you use it loudly to demonstrate "the holy spirits anointing". For instance, Benny Hinn uses TOUCH, or Todd Bentley uses BAM, Rod Parsley uses FIRE a lot and that was my personaly favorite.
Basically this word play is for a less intelligent audience who needs cues. And, when combined with a powerful laying on of hands, this creates a nice change of emotion.
Now, you can continue spouting off your bible verses, but it only shows your gullibility, and your lack of knowledge concerning the history of scripture.
Have you ever read any of the gospels written by Jesus' other apostles? Mary Magdalene, who we now know was basically Jesus' right hand woman, Peter who says Jesus never died and never suffered, Thomas who basically says salvation is only for those who can decipher Jesus' teachings.
You have no evidence for your beliefs, you never met any of the apostles, you have never heard gods voice (if you have you should see a psychiatrist), you have never seen god, and you never witnessed the miracles depicted in the bible.
Only a truly weak minded individual would believe in something with so little evidence. When I matured, I realized that I would not buy an invisible car, and I don't buy your invisible god.
If you choose to do so, fine, but don't spread your stupidity.
Joh 5:24 "I am telling you the truth: those who hear my words and believe in him who sent me have eternal life. They will not be judged, but have already passed from death to life.
SShanez 3 years ago
Funny, the people being spoken to hear are actually hearing the words of this man-god, makes it so much more compelling.
We, unfortunately don't rate such a luxury, eh? We are forced to forget all we've learned from science, which has helped us survive as long as we have, and just have faith.
What a pity you find this sort of thing appealing.
Jkief123 3 years ago
Well bless you Jkief i have enjoyed the discorse
SShanez 3 years ago
Read Charisma, the rats are running for cover.
BARNUMandBENTLEY 3 years ago
I haven't read a Charisma in years, lol. Could you debrief me?
Jkief123 3 years ago
Lee Grady, Editor and Stephen Strang, Owner are BOTH Peter Wagner "apostles"
BARNUMandBENTLEY 3 years ago
"Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does." -Jn 10:37
"Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun evil." (Prov 3:7)
"Listen to my instruction and be wise; do not ignore it." (Prov 8:33)
You are an evolved man and this is your pride?
"The lions may grow weak and hungry, but those who seek the LORD lack no good thing." -Psalm 34:10
"But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen." -2 Peter 3:18
Enoch2 3 years ago
Dear SShanez: The rats are running from the flood, or I should say "fire." Peter Wagner and all his fake "apostles" are jumping ship on Todd. They knew he was a phony, but the pushed him and got caught. Burn your subscription to Charisma. Grady and Stang are Wagner "apostles" and they are running from the "fire" too.
BARNUMandBENTLEY 3 years ago
This is a great video. Thanks for the truth,
God bless.
Angie
jan64may63 3 years ago
So sad to know that there are lots of people who believed ... The more we need to pray for these people... Thanks for posting this video... served as a reminder to all real Christians to be zealous in propagating the truth. God bless.
fragileLaine 3 years ago
And what is the truth? That a man named Jesus, whom has no historical records of his existence, was born of a virgin to bear your sins and arise from the dead?
You don't have any clue what truth is. Truth doesn't come by reading a single book and expecting all the answers. It comes from examinating all possiblities and combining evidence to produce a solution. You have not done that, so why mock someone who does the exact same thing as you, except on a larger scale?
Jkief123 3 years ago
Well, that's your personal opinion and I have to respect that. But still I stand to what I've said and you have to respect that too. By the way, I did not mocked anyone... Thanks for your comment anyway...
fragileLaine 3 years ago
He's so excited about 21 resurrections....where's the excitement for FIRST TIME DECISIONS FOR CHRIST????
JamesForJesus 3 years ago
You do some good video work!
nunyadambiz 3 years ago
21 resurrections?huuuh?
I know that false preachers are to come to test the flock but cmon,it shoulndt be this easy to fool some.
How small is the faith of these people :(
This Bentley will have that millstone around his neck from now on.
One should not totally trust any man but God in matters of salvation and this shows right here now.
Sad video.
TheAnav 3 years ago
I wouldn't say the peoples faith is small at all. In fact, their faith probably outpowers yours. Only the faithful could believe such ridiculous claims.
You find his declaration of 21 resurrections facetious, you wonder how anyone could believe these claims without evidence. Yet I'm sure you pray daily to a being you've never seen while millions of other people do the same. So where do you draw the line on what should be believed and not?
Jkief123 3 years ago
Well,my dear friend.
Those people that are deceived,they believe the Bible,like me,but they are going along with these false teachers even though the know that Christ is the only resurrector.
That is the issue.You didnt even understand what you commented about.Its a matter of Christ and not your science books.
I dont want to come and try to tell you what science theory to believe in.
Each his own,yes?
We,Christians,we rebuke each other so we wont stray,get used to it ;)
Shalom to all :)
TheAnav 3 years ago
Well, obviously you don't understand my position.
You say you believe Jesus resurrects, this is a product of your faith. You have no evidence to believe it, you just do based on emotions and possibly upbringing.
And, I don't think the rebuking does much good, do you? How many denominations of Christianity are there? Too many to count. You have a book, called the bible, that is so vague anyone can use it to entitle their faith.
FYI, in science, when something is a theory it's a fact.
Jkief123 3 years ago
Oh,i didnt know that the word THEORY=a fact?
Isnt a theory an assumption only,till its clinically proven?If im wrong here,my bad.
And yes,rebuking does wonders,ive seen it happen :)
And yes,i believe in Christ and i dont need a science book to tell me that.I got my Bible,which is a book also,i like that book more :)
Yes,many denominations of Christ,true.38 000 actually(dont get me started,lol)
What else....hmm..Oh,i know your position,ive talked to many ppl of your "stance".
Shalom :)
TheAnav 3 years ago
A scientific assumption would be known as a hypothesis. It isn't until it has been tested by more than one other scientist that a hypothesis becomes a theory. In reality you can never be 100% certain, but certain enough.
As for rebuking, I suppose sheep will be herded, eh?
You know my position concerning god, but I'm sure you don't know my position on many other things.
Don't you think that if Jesus existed he would have been viewed as a heretic by the Jews for not obeying gods laws?
Jkief123 3 years ago
"Don't you think that if Jesus existed he would have been viewed as a heretic by the Jews for not obeying gods laws?"
Hey,He got killed,remember?By Jews.For saying"i am in my Father and Father is in me" and "before Avraham was,I am(Yhwh)"
Anyway,what are we talking about here?
Hypothesis,theory...i hope you get satisfaction from those.
I got my faith,you have yours.
I respect your views of things.
Lets give room for other ppl in here to write too :D
Peace,no harm done.
Bye and take care.
TheAnav 3 years ago
Ok, so Jesus was killed for going against Jewish law, basically, just like many others. I think Jesus was before his time, morally speaking. He was attempting to change the status quo, embracing love and forgiveness instead of the many Jewish laws.
Th definition of faith is belief despite evidence. I believe nothing without proper facts and evidence, so I don't think I would be considered a faithful person.
But I do respect your views, you have a right to them as much as I do my own.
Jkief123 3 years ago
you have said good things about Jesus [even thought you don't beleive] he will no doubt speak out for you one day
SShanez 3 years ago
And what good would it do? Jesus himself begged his "father" not to allow him to endure the immense amount of suffering. It did no good. Not even god's son is goo enough for his mercy. Us mere humans don't stand a chance against gods wrath.
Jkief123 3 years ago
wah ok man some religios fruit cakes have said that i know. Jesus died and went to hell so you would never have to. He is the Father and died to take the consiquenses of your bad decisions as any truly good father would.
SShanez 3 years ago
And you believe this? How do you know Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected? Were you there? You do realize the gospels are not sufficient evidence, in fact the differences in the 4 gospels are down right disgraceful.
So you want me to believe some man, who there is no authentic record of existing, died on the cross and arose from the dead, defying the natural order? You must be out of your mind.
I wouldn't believe that anymore than I would believe Zeus lived in Mt Olympus.
Jkief123 3 years ago
your right when I first learned of the diferences in the gospels i was shocked but as i pondered on it i began to think they were not contrived. And anyway it did not phase me, cause by that time I had a joy stomger than the love with a woman busting out all over my life.
You don't need to trust in man if you trust Jesus.
Joh 5:24 ...those who hear my words and believe in him who sent me HAVE eternal life. They will NOT be judged, but have already passed from DEATH to life.
SShanez 3 years ago
I know you know nothing about me, but I was actually a minister in training in my late teens. I have preached before, conducted healings and saved souls. I learned the trade very well, it's all about playing on peoples emotions.
Thankfully I was always the smartest in the class, when I received a thorough education in college I saw that emotions do not make something real. What physical evidence is there to support ones beliefs. This is how an evolved man attempts to continue evolving.
Jkief123 3 years ago
You preached?
"But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." -1 Cor 9:27
You healed?
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." -Matt 7:22f
Do not be wise in your own eyes; -Prov 3:7a
Enoch2 3 years ago
You think you're so clever spouting out your ancient scribblings, don't you? Trust me, you don't want to play games with your scriptures, they are some of the most vile, horrendous ever concocted by man.
Yes I preached, and no I didn't heal. I pretended to heal, and the crowd played along. It's very simple. It has to do with the music you play, the atmosphere of emotions in the crowd. You try to change the crowds emotions quickly.
Cont'd....
Jkief123 3 years ago
People are extremely gullible, especially the religious. You start them off with fast paced music, get their blood pumping. Then you change the pace to a very slow, emotional progression until the service.
You also use the crowd to your advantage. Most of the crowd will be followers to begin with, so they'll watch others to see what they should be doing.
The Nazis were pros when it came to crowds, and the results were very close to what you see in Christian "crusades" today.
Jkief123 3 years ago
The other thing you MUST do when it comes to healing is come up with what I like to call a "power-word". It's a word you use a lot, and you use it loudly to demonstrate "the holy spirits anointing". For instance, Benny Hinn uses TOUCH, or Todd Bentley uses BAM, Rod Parsley uses FIRE a lot and that was my personaly favorite.
Basically this word play is for a less intelligent audience who needs cues. And, when combined with a powerful laying on of hands, this creates a nice change of emotion.
Jkief123 3 years ago
Now, you can continue spouting off your bible verses, but it only shows your gullibility, and your lack of knowledge concerning the history of scripture.
Have you ever read any of the gospels written by Jesus' other apostles? Mary Magdalene, who we now know was basically Jesus' right hand woman, Peter who says Jesus never died and never suffered, Thomas who basically says salvation is only for those who can decipher Jesus' teachings.
Cont'd....
Jkief123 3 years ago
You have no evidence for your beliefs, you never met any of the apostles, you have never heard gods voice (if you have you should see a psychiatrist), you have never seen god, and you never witnessed the miracles depicted in the bible.
Only a truly weak minded individual would believe in something with so little evidence. When I matured, I realized that I would not buy an invisible car, and I don't buy your invisible god.
If you choose to do so, fine, but don't spread your stupidity.
Jkief123 3 years ago