i dont give a shit if your rich or not. but i do give a shit if said rich person got there wealth by immoral and illegal means and is not brought to justice just cuz said person owns the system in which he lives in. And i give a shit if said rich person has more political power then be just cuz he said rich person has more wealth then me. Now thats a good reason to rise and rebel.
yea, its like the bill at the restaurant that includes 10% for a tip. i really resent that, if you want to give a tip because the service was genuinely good and you want to commend that then you should be free to give it at your discretion, but to be forced to give a tip weather it was good or bad is so insulting. like you werent going to anyway so we have to make you give us a little more.
Is it cynical or just realistic to recognize what some Americans are actually saying and doing:
"The protesters object to the Wall Street bailout in 2008, which they say left banks to enjoy huge profits while average Americans suffered under high unemployment and job insecurity with little help from the federal government." Wall Street protest grows as unions swell ranks - Oct 5 (Reuters)
Hate is apart of this world and will never go away...... EMBRACE IT!!! only joking of course but theres nothing people can do to stop it so let the government do what they want or you'll get shot like those egyptians that died recently for their "rights"
This post has to be satire right, I just find it hard to take you seriously. No, you don't give up protecting your rights even if you have to physically fight for them thats the whole point to begin with, to live without self determination, liberty, free association etc is not a life worth having to begin with.
His voice is so relaxing. He has that "book before bed" voice. Also cool vid. Once you become a cynic, it becomes hard as shit to slap back to reality.
I agree that it is cynical to say that the poor will revolt if the government doesnt give them money. However, I do believe in wealth distribution programs in the name of fairness.
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cynicism is illogical, it's essentially ducking from being hit when most people won't hit you, where as optimism is not ducking when someone will hit them. Same bullshit. Assess situations based on proof, this is skepticism. Cynicism is based on assumption, as Penn implied, but not based on truth.
Bad people can make money badly, Bad people can make money well. With bad people, it depends on their thing, their M.O. No one is bad about all things and good about all things. A good person in many areas can have poorly gotten gains.
Point between cynical and naive, is jaded. Jaded is a way to go. I hate this wealth hatred, but where is it routed? Speculation gains? Why don't politicians redistribute their check...oh yeah that's taking from the rich to give to the rich.
If the US is going on with making the rich richer and leaving the pour with the bill, the pour will eventually take matters in their own hands. Just like Russia and France. That is not cynical that is not hateful. It happened in the past it can happen again.
Cynicism is hateful, and I have been quite the cynic lately. He is right though, what makes me so much better than those I scoff at? They're not necessarily bad people, though some of them are incredibly stupid. I think a lot of cynics equate, myself included, equate stupidity with evil. And sure, stupidity and ignorance do go hand in hand, and therefore many stupid people will reject anything that seems different to what they're used to. But that means they're misguided, not evil.
@VegitoVai90 Indeed! I think most people are good, and most people will act on good intentions, but an ignorance of unforeseen negative consequences of their actions that could equate to an evil outcome cannot be excused by good intentions, yet you don't call the person evil for doing an evil thing without knowing it. To put it simple: People may do evil things out of stupidity, but that doesn't mean that people are evil. Ignorance just means they're uninformed, and we all are that in some ways.
Cynicism is logic if logic is hateful then that is the fault of the people who are offended.
However, an argument for a progressive tax code can be found in the fact that it allows the formation of a stable middle class, that tends to evaporate when wealth is concentrated in a few families based solely on inheritance.
As far as a strictly economic view of this is concerned, we need a middle class to do jobs that lower and upper class people won't do. Ergo we need a tax code that protects them
Surely Penn was trying to generate a discussion and argument here and doesn't really think all cynics are evil and hateful. You can't really blame dogs for barking after a lifetime of kicks.
I love Penn, Teller, and Bullshit, but I don't get equating cynicism with the use of force. The guy that said that we shouldn't paint all Tea partiers with the racist brush is calling all cynics hateful. Old school cynics like Antisthenes and Diogenes didn't call for the people they disagreed with to be destroyed. Some people aren't fortunate enough to be surrounded by wonderful folks their whole life, as Penn obviously has. It must be nice.
What evidence is there that people would support our various public services? Businesses aren't supporting poor schools now, why would they without government involved? Many of our rules were started because workers were being taken advantage of and businesses were crushing competition with underhanded tactics. The economy is struggling because guidlines were lifted, allowing traders to knowingly screw everyone over. It's not cynicism, it's reality. (not enough space to really do this justice)
cynicism is not hateful, or at least shouldn't be intended as such, but rather as a preparation for the worst to come; it's basically pessimism manifesting itself in terms of human behavior.
Regardless, government wealth-distribution is aimed at the wrong time-period: Like you said, lately uprisings of the poor have become less likely, simply because now people have a chance at earning wealth for themselves. Much earlier on, the monarchy owned everything, and gave no social mobility.
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@pennsays sorry Penn, im a big fan but I think you hold "the american dream" in too much esteem. maybe the poor used to admire the rockerfellers, ect, but I think this kind of admiration is deeply flawed when you consider the real, statistical likelihood of amassing that kind of wealth and power. Look at the great depression. The soviets wedged dead workers in giant concrete dams, the west paid them off with welfare.
@pennsays No one is happy, but you would take a bread queue over a shovel to the back of the head in a gulag, right? So no, Im afraid that is not entirely cynical, but a plausible view of history. which brings me to the heart of the matter. cynicism is a shield the intelligent and sensitive wear in order to cut a swathe through this dusty world: a vice yes, a crime, no.
@pennsays Governments are cynical when they cut services, welfare ect, and then brazenly encourage our "responsibilty" as individuals to give to charity.
If this guy has only met three or four "bad" people in his life he must not get out much. I'm a bit of an introvert myself so I'm not the most social guy in the world but I sure as hell would need all of my fingers and then some to add up the bad people I've come across.
Well said Penn. Although I don't think the government should stick it's nose into our pockets, I don't think enough people would actually act out on their good intentions. I don't think it's a matter of good people and bad people. But more on the willingness to act.
And no, giving money never solves the problem. Many poor people are poor because they are economically uneducated. Even if you give each of them 1million dollars, so many of them would be broke in months because they can't manage money. It's just soooo much more than can be presented on a 5 minute clip i know. But, just saying. LOVE YOU PENN!!!
Not all cynicism is hateful. As those comedians you mentioned probably meant it, in sarcastic humor cynicism is just a good way to get someone on the same page; to relate a joke to the audience.
I miss the Penn Says uploads. I need new episodes, damn it.
While Penn's heart is in a really good place, and I don't doubt that his views have some validity, there is also an important difference between cynicism and realism.
I think playing slot machines is a good way to lose some money. I learned that from experience. It doesn't make me a cynic. It makes me rational.
But its pretty clear that the world is made up mostly of irrational people with selfish and misguided interests who should not be trusted with anything important.
This is a good message. But what am I missing? I admit that I am a relative Penn-novice, but isn't 'Bullshit' cynical? For exampe, saying that Mother Theresa was less than a laudable human being, that at her core she was not doing good for its sake... cynical seems to be an understated description of such views...
What I love is how different the words 'Cynicism' and 'Cynic' are from their original intentions. Will the term 'Amish' come to replace what we know as 'Cynic' in thousands of years...?
@HaveLucidDreamz, but thats not really cynicism more than just common sense. Cynicism is a rejection of traditional social conventions and virtues.
"Cynicism can manifest itself as a result of frustration, disillusionment, and distrust perceived as due to organizations, authorities and other aspects of society, and thus is roughly equivalent to a substantive form of the English word "jaded"."
The cynics of the 21st century could be popularized best by comedians like George Carlin that show a kind of jaded pessimistic sarcasm. Though you should not naively trust everyone I would still take the words of people like this with a grain of salt. Its a mixed bag. I think you kinda gotta take the good with the bad. What do you think?
thanks for the clarification, but I was already aware of that, and lol yes much of what I wrote is very common sense.
Anyways interestingly enough the first "cynics" come from a greek philosophy that essentially only truth can be known after rejection of all social conventions. In fact the orginal cynics were very different than our meaning today, they were more "hippy/idealist/philosopher" types. Eventually the word shifted meaning towards something closer to "mistrust of society".
I do not equate rich people with evil or poor people with benevolence. If someone cares about only money, I do not care. If somone has more power than I do, more power to them. All of my shortcomings are my doing and I am 100% to blame for them all.
I do not want the gov't taking anything from any LAWFUL American by force.
If I was king, I'd take the Wall Street fuckers out back and shoot them! Also, Penn's friend Glenn Beck is evil, spreading his cancer.
@KillJesus I do agree with you that the government should not take anything from lawful citizens. I do agree there are things individuals live through that cannot be credited to anything other than themselves. However, the circumstances which people are born into play a HUGE role in the ability to succeed.
One cannot rise in the economic ladder simply because of a desire to do so, especially if they have no access to a better education, protection or even a job that would sustain them.
"One cannot rise in the economic ladder simply because of a desire to do so, especially if they have no access to a better education, protection or even a job that would sustain them."
The problem here is that you can't, nor should you ever, rely on the state to make those things available to you.
Understand that the government, just like corporations, are headed by people who have corruptible power. The benefits, no matter where they come from, will always have their price.
I do not need reminding that people of government are corruptible. Every position of authority that I can think of, even down to those in a single family, are susceptible to corruption. However, that is not sound reasoning for the conclusion that one can't nor should ever rely on the state. A basic measure of any human relationship is trust. That trust can help things get done more effectively but sometimes is exploited or misplaced. History has many examples of effective/ineffective government.
You assume I believe in trusting the state as I never did say that here on this comment log
Anyway, It is getting a bit tedious holding to simultaneous arguments. If you wish to continue, just shoot me a private message to my youtube account containing what you wish to discuss. Maybe you can even ask me what I believe before you continue assuming things about me or send me lectures over stuff I have been in. I am willing to carry on our discussion, just not on someone else's video comment log.
1) we have not talked much about morality of behind state services (which seems to be the main issue of this video). You seem a bit more concerned about government corruption and distrust. with that....
2) our discussion does not contribute much to this video from what has been discussed so far. And...
3) the character count limit; I'd find it easier if we could communicate without it.
1. The morality behind state services has a lot to do with government corruption. After all, the various levels of government are the ones that must administer and manage those services.
2. If you feel the discussion does not contribute, then we ought to agree to disagree; the discussion should be kept open for others.
3. Work around the character limit; abridge what you say or continue your thoughts on another post if necessary.
Agree to disagree? To elaborate on what I have said before, I have hardly expressed any political views. Other than the little debate on an individual's capacity to succeed, there have been no real debates; the rest of it consists mostly of you unnecessarily lecturing me.
Despite all of that, I believe we can still salvage a debate relevant to the video: our original debate on the individual's capacity for success. Let's continue that on another post you have made.
I said there WAS a debate going on. Wow. Just comes to show your reading comprehension. In fact, throughout our exchange, you have demonstrated your level of comprehension time and time again. I feel sorry for anyone who is willing to engage in debate with you.
But Watcher3223, is'nt a certain amount of mutual respect needed to mantain a fuctional society? If everyone refused to give others respect on the grounds that they did not earn it because they did not show any than this creates a paradox. Someone has to make the first friendly gesture or else we are stuck with with a world of cynical mistrusting people. This could be very disfunctional in the long run.
"But Watcher3223, is'nt a certain amount of mutual respect needed to mantain a fuctional society? If everyone refused to give others respect on the grounds that they did not earn it because they did not show any than this creates a paradox."
This is an oversimplification. You respect others by leaving them alone unless someone specifically asks for your help and you judge that it's appropriate to do it.
In the case of earning an attitude, you earn trust, which is different to respect.
But there has to be something to build on or there is nothing to develop. Why do so many individuals always have their guard u? I mean I'm not asking them to wear their hearts on their sleeves, but I think people start acting too cautious and such feelings are reflecting in their behavior. Not that this is a bad thing in and of it self, but it can lead communication to a standstill.
"But there has to be something to build on or there is nothing to develop."
Except there is always something to build on and that's first established by communication. In other words, you get to know other people and do your part to build the relationship up to a point of trust.
"I think people start acting too cautious and such feelings are reflecting in their behavior."
Unfortunately, the world has people who will not have your interests in mind.
Of course you shouldn't act paranoid or anti-social, but you can't treat people you don't know personally any more than who they are to you: strangers.
Now, understand this goes both ways; just as you shouldn't act too cordially to a stranger, it's also out of place to give strangers the cold shoulder.
Ultimately, your ability to get a better education (or at least, the best that you can find for yourself), to protect yourself, and to find steady work is still up to you.
Ergo, if you have a desire, work hard for it ... as hard as you can.
That's all that you can really do that would be honest and honorable.
Accept the fact that, sometimes, life never works the way you want it to. But if you don't work on it yourself, it's virtually certain that life won't ever get better at all.
Haha. No need to lecture me on the desire to advance. I simply acknowledge that some people are dealt a very bad hand and no amount of work or desire will fulfill even basic needs. Most of what you say to me seems to be based on assumption of my experience, knowledge or beliefs.
At least I have made an effort to see what you believe. On your youtube page, I see you are a supporter of the second amendment. At least we agree on that. I practice my second amendment rights as a gun owner.
By the way, I watched your Dihyrdrogen Monoxide video, and this chemical is everywhere. Do you know that it makes up to over 70% of your body weight.Of course its water! LOL I saw an Australian t.v. show that reported in the United States.They went up to people with a map, labeling Australia as North Korea.People actually believed that it was North Korea dispite the fact that the country is nowhere near there.Wow.when I watched that I died a little on the inside. False lol. Not cool.
Sadnessly I admit your right *sigh*. I wonder why many act this way. We can be so defensive as human beings. When will people realize how unessessary such behavoir is? Most of the world's problems are caused by a lack of communication between certain individuals, groups or countries. Imagine the feedback countries could have if they opened up. A man can dream right? I'm gonna make this dream a reality. I'll start, one person at a time. Maybe I'll start a free hugs campaign! lol
Don't we let our emotions get the best of us? I think we should live in a world free from pessimism. Logic in my opinion cancels out the need for such an attitude. And for our forefathers references, I admit they showed cynicism to some degree, but their ideals reflecting their views of universal human rights by far outshined their cynacism.We shouldn't use cynacism to shame someone into doing what is right.That's manipulative! We should live in a world where people want to contribute to others.
I understand why many use cynicism, but why should we continue to use it.I'm okay with cynicism with even a touch of skepticism, but too much of it takes things way too far.A lot of people have that "Don't fuck with me!" attitude.We can appear so jaded sometimes in our world. Why not just analyze the situation in a purely logical manner without letting our negative emotions hold sway over our actions.We need a little mutual kindness in our behavior. A little opticism is something all of us need!
In order to plaicate the poor why not give them jobs so they can earn money, feed their families and build themselves up. In order to give them jobs you have to lower taxes on all businesses, make it cheaper to keep jobs in america, and make it easier for fair loans to be made for small businesses. Instead of social security open an account for your employee and place a small precentage of the money he or she makes inside and they cant get to it unless they retire or die and family gets it
Our forefathers were cynical. That's why the only rights we really have is the right to say whatever we want, have a free lawyer, and have guns. (Probably free guns I'd argue) Cause people can't be trusted. People ARE bad. I'm bad, all the fuckheads on this comment are bad, Penn is bad. The only difference is some people are bearable bad, and some people have no redeeming qualities at all. Anyone who tells you otherwise probably plans to fuck you over.
Very interesting. A person who does not believe in God/Intelligent design, yet who believes that when people are cynical, they assume the worst about humanity and are thus in some way hateful. Perhaps Penn could explain to me how a person can believe that life has no universal purpose or how the universe has no creator, and not be cynical about existence.
I don't know, maybe I've seen too many of Pat Condell's videos. I used to like that guy, but when I asked him how someone can hold atheist beliefs without feeling like a cynic, and he said that he would rather be slightly cynical than to take something on faith. I found it funny that after watching many of his videos, he addressed the issue of faith after about 30 issues, when that is a major root of people's viewpoints on life.
Isn't this like a lion complaining about how predation seems evil ? Do you really think you've never been cynical ? Ah ! We can see the splinter in the other fellow's eye but not the beam in our own . Oh wait, that's religious, sorry !
I don't think the poor hate the rich. It seems it's more the middle to upper middle class feel that way. Both the rich and poor seem to be compassionate, giving and care about their fellow man. the rich have everything they need or want, the poor have had to learn to be content with what they have, But the middle class can't seem to be content. Always trying to get rich by any means necessary because they are almost there but not quite. In my experience that's where I've found the most assholes.
I think it's a misunderstanding that people think rich people only give to get a pat on the back or to look good or get a tax break. The rich people I've met focus a good deal of their time trying to make the world a better place. Yes they live somewhat extravagant but they give a good deal away. There are exceptions in the case of those who didn't earn their wealth but even in that group there is a low percentage of selfish assholes. Far fewer than in the middle class.
Cynicism is protective not hateful imo, it's more in line with awareness of all outcomes factoring in the worst and preparing for it.
I see it as a protection mechanism and use it as such. The majority of this planet are out for themselves - they need themselves right before they expand into external thought. Anyone bring up Maslow's Hierarchy? If ppl are at the lower tiers they would fight for what they consider preservation even if that meant hurting others 'cause their focus is on self.
Penn, Why is it called cynicism if you don't believe the wealthy will voluntarily redistribute wealth fairly? It's not because I think they are selfish, it's because I think they are deluded in believing that their wealth is an accurate measure of their contribution to society. So, no they are no more selfish than anyone else, it's just they believe in a fantasy system. Capitalism is their religion. They see it as fair and just. Personal wealth is NOT an accurate gauge of societal contribution
"Too Big to Fail" is hateful. The fact that the middle class is melting away faster than the polar ice caps is hateful. Despair caused by the fact that nearly 100% of the $ is horded by 10% of the pop is hateful. Eventually, bread and circuses will no longer appease our masses and this country will burn. Historically, when wealth and power are concentrated into a very few hands empires fall. America isn't shaping up to be the exception to this rule. It's not cynicism, it's reality.
cudos.i myself agree but also believe that if they handed over cash it would be under the belief it was another charitable contrabution instead of an economic tool. and being someone in the level of poverty i can say i dont want charity and few people in my situation disagree.
Capitalism is a system based on competition, most people can appreciate the idea that hard-workers get their due and slackers don't. Naturally, there's is going to be the inheritance factor wherein individuals born into successful families will remain rich and there's nothing inherently sinister about being rich.
The problem with capitalism occurs when the little guy can't even TRY to increase his wealth, when the big corporations are able to put rules in place to ensure he cannot.
The founding fathers were far more aristocratic than I think most Americans realize - all those guys rode around in the best carriages and lived on huge estates, even Jefferson (who probably represented the "Average Joe" more than anyone else.)
Newsflash, Penn, ALL laws are based on the assumption that people are bad, or at least are capable of very bad things. Laws against murder, rape, theft, etc. can all fairly be called "cynical." That doesn't make them wrong or "hateful." The only reason you were so depressed after that exchange is because one of the basic premises of your precious libertarian ideology was threatened. People aren't always going to do the right thing. Recognizing that is merely acknowledging reality.
People shouldn't steal, rape, and murder either, but does that mean forcing people to pay for a police force is cynical? Taking morality (which is completely subjective) out of the picture, in a practical sense wealth redistribution doesn't work because the concept of wealth is derived from those who have more money or a better lifestyle compared to one's own, so the poor just wouldn't be as poor as they once were, but the rich would still have more than them.
Penn should recommend Frederic Bastiat's "The Law" to his wife's cynical friends and others. It was written two years after the French Revolution, and addresses, among other things, the false idea of socialism creating political stability.
Great points. I do think that the gap between the rich and the poor is getting way out of hand in this country, and that something needs to be done, or our whole system will fall apart. In my view, pure capitalism, pure communism, pure democracy, just about anything in the total extreme in politics is ultimately self-destructive. But for the most part, I do agree with Penn here. We need to inform and empower people, not try to force our own beliefs and ways of life on them.
some of the most violent worker strikes occurred when people like the Rockefellers had a huge influence on the economy. The Railroad Strikes (end of the 19th century) resulted in violence and several deaths. Ssoo.... yeah people did have a problem with this. And did you forget about the Race Riots? We have a long history of people who have stated their problems with the government and turned to violence. Do I think the violence was necessarily appropriate?- not really. I'm just saying...
I'm an atheist but as such I understand the universe to be a chaotic place where the concept of "natural" has no place.
So why would any atheist subscribe to any philosophy or religion?
The universe, simply put, if a fucking mess.
And because of it we humans need to be ahead of the curve and do whatever we need to do to solve our problems: A little bit of socialism, and capitalism and libertiarism, etc.
It saddens me to see you as first and foremost a "liberterian" and not an atheist.
Taking something that belongs to someone else and giving it away. I am pretty sure that's called stealing!!! What happens when this rich person does not want to give up what they worked for. After all this money is given away to the people with less money, then your only making new rich people. lol
Really? The kind of things most people are talking about when someone complains about "wealth distribution" is nothing like that at all, but rather simply trying to help the poor, and possibly keep the rich and powerful from getting too out of hand. I haven't heard very many people talk about making the rich NOT rich, or make the poor rich. That's ridiculous.
Most dictionaries define cynicism as questioning the motives of others -- questions aren't inherntly hateful. Penn, I love you, man, but you ought to trust a wordsmith like George Carlin, and then double check by consulting a dictionary.
The world would be a lot less hateful if Everyone including myself were more compassionate and giving. Actions speak louder than words. I think everyone is just "trying to get by." And that is were the line is drawn, people need to step over that line and sacrifice something for someone else.
So a social safety net is cynical? We should just assume that rich people will give poor people money because everyone in the world is so generous and good? I think it's more realistic to assume that some people in the world are generous and good, and others are greedy. Having a social safety net balances out that discrepancy -- generous people don't have to feel violated by it, since they believe wealth should be redistributed anyhow, and greedy people are forced to help poor people.
Penn, come on. you think if all those poor people in the ghettos and in the trailer parks didn't have food, they wouldn't take to the streets? The crime rates would shoot through the roof, robbery, murder, revolution.
There aren't enough do gooders with money around to give hand outs to the majority of poor in this country. How in the world could the rich have access to all people in isolated inner cities in pockets all around the country.
The friend's examples sort of prove Penn's point. So he was *also* dead wrong. (I'm a Russian history nerd and such things bug me) The Russian and French revolts, according to many historians, were not started by popular discontent, but by a group of intellectuals who agitated the poor and used force to serve their own agendas. And how did those regimes turn out again? Not *exactly* egalitarian and compassionate.
Ok, it's a bit of a tangent, but still worth pointing out.
So do you think that if there were a government program which kept the French and the Russians well fed it may have staved off revolution?
It's too late now because we are all dependent on the government and grocery stores for food. Hardly anyone farms anymore, no one is self sufficient. The massive corporations--the rich elite and governments like it that way, they found a way to make a lot of money off of masses of poor suckers while keeping them from revolt by filling their bellies.
Thank you so much for saying this, Penn! Whenever i tell people that i'm skeptical (usually about religion, sometimes other matters), they try to peg me down as cynical. Worse, they think they mean it as a compliment. What you say here is everything I would argue in explaining how different those two are. On a completely unrelated note, i love the color scheme in the background. you/your wife have good taste!
Oh boy, now i'm intimidated! Emo boy wants to kill me, waaa. I guess I should be careful, though. Internet tough guys don't fuck around. Too bad you're a pussy.
*Points stick at diagram of you* "Say it with me now." F A G O T "Very good!" *Claps*
Whao, fudge packers sure do stick together don't they. What's the phrase again? "Birds of a feather... suck each other's dicks?" Ah, damn I know I fucked up on that one somehow.
Look at you shred that bass like its your grandpa's fish stick. Keep the (village) scene alive!
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I wouldn't quite say I'm a homosexual so much as...say...an educated individual. Y'see, sometimes people go to this strange thing called "school". At "school", they learn how to function like an intelligent person in society. Check it out some time, mate.
"I wouldn't quite say I'm a homosexual" Heavy emphasis on "QUITE."
School's great, especially the whole graduation part. I recommend it to anyone with *looks at your background channel pic*... a... oh, you never...? Ah, don't worry about it mate. Tinkerbell accepts you for who you are. Just be carful, I heard he doesn't fuck around.
"WAAAH! Hitchman make Tinkerbell mad! Me punch monitor really hard then go to room and write poem about my feelings!"
Listen Tink, -you don't mind if I call you Tink do you?- I know it can be difficult to find the time to type the ever so original "say it to my face from the anonymous safety of the the internet" line, especially between the trips to Hot Topic and... the apparent use of steroids and what not, but do try to, well, I don't know, you're a pussy. LMAO!!!
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you must think I am some teen. I am probably older than you so read this carefully: dont fuck with strangers, you never know what they are capable of doing.
I dont shop at Hot Topic and I dont use steroids. I can however kill someone with my hands.
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Ah, yes. I forgot. Fucking with strangers online is such a risk because they can magically locate your home address via the number of vowels in their YouTube account name. I don't care if cynicism is hateful, but you (among many other humans) depress me beyond belief.
I guess you'd know. Is that how you're bromance with Tink got started. He sounds like the pitcher. I guess we all know what that makes you. hehehe.
"you (among many other humans) depress me beyond belief" Aww, that sounds like the title of one of Tinkerbell's emo poems. You queens should stop spending so much time together. Its starting to make you real cynical.
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Why is it you always resort to petty gay jokes? Is it because you don't have the grey matter available to develop a thought worth voicing? I'd like to think so. Either way, why should I be offended by being referred to as one of "that" persuasion? Why does something that is accepted in these modern times by all the rational thinkers of the world seem to be the perfect basis for vituperative remarks to you? I'm not sure. I assume, however, it is because your mind has yet to develop.
Why the gay jokes? Because you just make it so damn easy, lol. But you've got an interesting point. If you'll notice, I take great care to properly diversify my insults according to a rigorously and rigidly planned measurement system that fully analyzes and compares potential insults based on probable reactions and observable traits, thank you very much. :}
And yet you still haven't given me YOUR info, what a surprise. I guess you'll get around to it though, after getting your eyebrows plucked and buying tickets in advance for the next Twilight movie.
Yeah, yeah. I got'ya. "Steel Toed" ie. "Stilettos", I know. I get the hint.
Yeah, you're for real alright. Talk'n shit to people you don't know through the vail of complete anonymity is the pinnacle of manliness. See, I can now just as easily mock you for not meeting ME face to face, Tinkerbell. The difference is that I'm not the one pretending like he can actually hurt someone, especially over the internet, lmao!
"I dont shop at Hot Topic." Of coarse you don't. That black nail polish and Dashboard Confessional album where just left there by your little sister. *wink*
"I dont use steroids." Yea, your not a roidhead, you just play one on YouTube. *Rage*
Oh Tinkerbell, we've made so much progress together. We've managed to establish that your a pussy, emo, roidhead that threatens his computer and shops at Hot Topic. Are there anymore confessions you'd like to reveal to your studio audience? *Grabs Popcorn*
Oh, so we're playing this game now are we? Ok, but first you give me YOUR address... your YouTube password, your credit card number and your bank account. Unless you're scared. >:)
Tough guy act? This coming from a guy who says he can kill people with his hands, lmfbo! Ah ha ha!!!
Why am I not surprised you come from Texas. Steers n' queers. You don't much look like a steer to me. Besides, shouldn't you be busy trying to secede while building a big ol' fence to keep out the big bad mexicans. lol
1. Lets all see this "knowledge" you've got then shall we. I wonder what it could be? How to properly shoot anabolic steroids through your neck? How to download every Good Charlotte album from iTunes without paying for it? Don't keep us waiting man!
Not exactly, kiddo! >;-)
Synnek1 2 weeks ago
i dont give a shit if your rich or not. but i do give a shit if said rich person got there wealth by immoral and illegal means and is not brought to justice just cuz said person owns the system in which he lives in. And i give a shit if said rich person has more political power then be just cuz he said rich person has more wealth then me. Now thats a good reason to rise and rebel.
KingVego 1 month ago
yea, its like the bill at the restaurant that includes 10% for a tip. i really resent that, if you want to give a tip because the service was genuinely good and you want to commend that then you should be free to give it at your discretion, but to be forced to give a tip weather it was good or bad is so insulting. like you werent going to anyway so we have to make you give us a little more.
vanzur42 2 months ago
Just want to say one thing. You can be a Realist without being a Cynic...
Sumoto999 3 months ago
Is it cynical or just realistic to recognize what some Americans are actually saying and doing:
"The protesters object to the Wall Street bailout in 2008, which they say left banks to enjoy huge profits while average Americans suffered under high unemployment and job insecurity with little help from the federal government." Wall Street protest grows as unions swell ranks - Oct 5 (Reuters)
fuzzwarmy 4 months ago
isnt this guy a magician ?
BillyBrootz 8 months ago
Cynicism is love. And yes, love IS hateful ... if you're not the one giving it or receiving it, and if you don't see both the lover and the lovee.
That's why most church-groups make me sick. If they do
mythmanjay 8 months ago in playlist At Which to Stare
If you lessen the gap between rich and poor you most likely would help prevent revolution.
Enzo012 11 months ago
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calum66 11 months ago
Hate is apart of this world and will never go away...... EMBRACE IT!!! only joking of course but theres nothing people can do to stop it so let the government do what they want or you'll get shot like those egyptians that died recently for their "rights"
XxCaesersLegionxX 1 year ago
@XxCaesersLegionxX
This post has to be satire right, I just find it hard to take you seriously. No, you don't give up protecting your rights even if you have to physically fight for them thats the whole point to begin with, to live without self determination, liberty, free association etc is not a life worth having to begin with.
Pervyable 6 months ago
His voice is so relaxing. He has that "book before bed" voice. Also cool vid. Once you become a cynic, it becomes hard as shit to slap back to reality.
whorochan7 1 year ago
Wealth redistrubution wouldn't be an issue if it wern't for wealth concentration.
Dakatt1 1 year ago
I agree that it is cynical to say that the poor will revolt if the government doesnt give them money. However, I do believe in wealth distribution programs in the name of fairness.
SezSays 1 year ago
This whole augment is about coercion
Look at individualism vs. collectivism for a more in depth explanation
darkblood626 1 year ago
i cant watch this video because of all the fucking advertisement
iseeacircle 1 year ago 2
I love Penns' work, and cynicism seemed to me to be the whole point of his shows. His show Bullshit! doesn't seem to be in-favor of blind faith.
bluegreen1138 1 year ago
Cynicism is a way of life. It's the only way to truth. People are idiots and that's a fact.
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JulianHecks 1 year ago
cynicism is illogical, it's essentially ducking from being hit when most people won't hit you, where as optimism is not ducking when someone will hit them. Same bullshit. Assess situations based on proof, this is skepticism. Cynicism is based on assumption, as Penn implied, but not based on truth.
RawwestHide 1 year ago
Bad people can make money badly, Bad people can make money well. With bad people, it depends on their thing, their M.O. No one is bad about all things and good about all things. A good person in many areas can have poorly gotten gains.
dubya3cdotcom 1 year ago
Point between cynical and naive, is jaded. Jaded is a way to go. I hate this wealth hatred, but where is it routed? Speculation gains? Why don't politicians redistribute their check...oh yeah that's taking from the rich to give to the rich.
dubya3cdotcom 1 year ago
If the US is going on with making the rich richer and leaving the pour with the bill, the pour will eventually take matters in their own hands. Just like Russia and France. That is not cynical that is not hateful. It happened in the past it can happen again.
IAmDonar 1 year ago
Cynicism is hateful, and I have been quite the cynic lately. He is right though, what makes me so much better than those I scoff at? They're not necessarily bad people, though some of them are incredibly stupid. I think a lot of cynics equate, myself included, equate stupidity with evil. And sure, stupidity and ignorance do go hand in hand, and therefore many stupid people will reject anything that seems different to what they're used to. But that means they're misguided, not evil.
VegitoVai90 1 year ago
@VegitoVai90 Indeed! I think most people are good, and most people will act on good intentions, but an ignorance of unforeseen negative consequences of their actions that could equate to an evil outcome cannot be excused by good intentions, yet you don't call the person evil for doing an evil thing without knowing it. To put it simple: People may do evil things out of stupidity, but that doesn't mean that people are evil. Ignorance just means they're uninformed, and we all are that in some ways.
dradeel 1 year ago
Cynicism is logic if logic is hateful then that is the fault of the people who are offended.
However, an argument for a progressive tax code can be found in the fact that it allows the formation of a stable middle class, that tends to evaporate when wealth is concentrated in a few families based solely on inheritance.
As far as a strictly economic view of this is concerned, we need a middle class to do jobs that lower and upper class people won't do. Ergo we need a tax code that protects them
GaiusIuliusTaberna 1 year ago
Surely Penn was trying to generate a discussion and argument here and doesn't really think all cynics are evil and hateful. You can't really blame dogs for barking after a lifetime of kicks.
DamonIcke 1 year ago
I love Penn, Teller, and Bullshit, but I don't get equating cynicism with the use of force. The guy that said that we shouldn't paint all Tea partiers with the racist brush is calling all cynics hateful. Old school cynics like Antisthenes and Diogenes didn't call for the people they disagreed with to be destroyed. Some people aren't fortunate enough to be surrounded by wonderful folks their whole life, as Penn obviously has. It must be nice.
DamonIcke 1 year ago
What evidence is there that people would support our various public services? Businesses aren't supporting poor schools now, why would they without government involved? Many of our rules were started because workers were being taken advantage of and businesses were crushing competition with underhanded tactics. The economy is struggling because guidlines were lifted, allowing traders to knowingly screw everyone over. It's not cynicism, it's reality. (not enough space to really do this justice)
AnathemaPride 1 year ago
cynicism is not hateful, or at least shouldn't be intended as such, but rather as a preparation for the worst to come; it's basically pessimism manifesting itself in terms of human behavior.
Regardless, government wealth-distribution is aimed at the wrong time-period: Like you said, lately uprisings of the poor have become less likely, simply because now people have a chance at earning wealth for themselves. Much earlier on, the monarchy owned everything, and gave no social mobility.
FungusyHam 1 year ago
I'm pretty cynical myself, but Penn makes a lot of sense here. Cynicism probably shouldn't be construed as a basis for government authority.
infinitefathom 1 year ago
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pennsays 1 year ago
@pennsays sorry Penn, im a big fan but I think you hold "the american dream" in too much esteem. maybe the poor used to admire the rockerfellers, ect, but I think this kind of admiration is deeply flawed when you consider the real, statistical likelihood of amassing that kind of wealth and power. Look at the great depression. The soviets wedged dead workers in giant concrete dams, the west paid them off with welfare.
7kurisu 11 months ago
@pennsays No one is happy, but you would take a bread queue over a shovel to the back of the head in a gulag, right? So no, Im afraid that is not entirely cynical, but a plausible view of history. which brings me to the heart of the matter. cynicism is a shield the intelligent and sensitive wear in order to cut a swathe through this dusty world: a vice yes, a crime, no.
7kurisu 11 months ago
@pennsays Governments are cynical when they cut services, welfare ect, and then brazenly encourage our "responsibilty" as individuals to give to charity.
7kurisu 11 months ago
If this guy has only met three or four "bad" people in his life he must not get out much. I'm a bit of an introvert myself so I'm not the most social guy in the world but I sure as hell would need all of my fingers and then some to add up the bad people I've come across.
TheOmegaeyes 1 year ago
Well said Penn. Although I don't think the government should stick it's nose into our pockets, I don't think enough people would actually act out on their good intentions. I don't think it's a matter of good people and bad people. But more on the willingness to act.
gargamel6699 1 year ago
@gargamel6699
And no, giving money never solves the problem. Many poor people are poor because they are economically uneducated. Even if you give each of them 1million dollars, so many of them would be broke in months because they can't manage money. It's just soooo much more than can be presented on a 5 minute clip i know. But, just saying. LOVE YOU PENN!!!
gargamel6699 1 year ago 2
Like always, well thought and well put.
Not all cynicism is hateful. As those comedians you mentioned probably meant it, in sarcastic humor cynicism is just a good way to get someone on the same page; to relate a joke to the audience.
I miss the Penn Says uploads. I need new episodes, damn it.
Nice Drew Carey (Aristocrats) throwback, btw.
vegetorott 1 year ago 3
@vegetorott We're working on getting new ones up. :-)
pennsays 1 year ago
@pennsays
Thank god... or... the flying spaghetti monster... I'm jonesing for enlightenment!
vegetorott 1 year ago
While Penn's heart is in a really good place, and I don't doubt that his views have some validity, there is also an important difference between cynicism and realism.
I think playing slot machines is a good way to lose some money. I learned that from experience. It doesn't make me a cynic. It makes me rational.
But its pretty clear that the world is made up mostly of irrational people with selfish and misguided interests who should not be trusted with anything important.
philnoll 1 year ago
This is a good message. But what am I missing? I admit that I am a relative Penn-novice, but isn't 'Bullshit' cynical? For exampe, saying that Mother Theresa was less than a laudable human being, that at her core she was not doing good for its sake... cynical seems to be an understated description of such views...
LetsGoMetsGo33 1 year ago
I'd comment here, but what I had to say exceeded the character limit.
(Have a look at your in box, Penn)
Thanks for your wise words
-Lewis
Barenakedfanband 1 year ago
What I love is how different the words 'Cynicism' and 'Cynic' are from their original intentions. Will the term 'Amish' come to replace what we know as 'Cynic' in thousands of years...?
JoeDeceiver 2 years ago
I agree with this overall... here are my own thoughts on the matter.
I think reality almost requires a certain degree of cynicism, I can't leave valuable possessions out and just believe people won't steal them.
Then again, I also think that if people are given an oppurtunity to show the positive side of their character they will.
Of course behind every individual is a series of complex reasons and experiences lending as to why you may not see this positive side.
HaveLucidDreamz 2 years ago
@HaveLucidDreamz, but thats not really cynicism more than just common sense. Cynicism is a rejection of traditional social conventions and virtues.
"Cynicism can manifest itself as a result of frustration, disillusionment, and distrust perceived as due to organizations, authorities and other aspects of society, and thus is roughly equivalent to a substantive form of the English word "jaded"."
hippo11222 1 year ago
The cynics of the 21st century could be popularized best by comedians like George Carlin that show a kind of jaded pessimistic sarcasm. Though you should not naively trust everyone I would still take the words of people like this with a grain of salt. Its a mixed bag. I think you kinda gotta take the good with the bad. What do you think?
hippo11222 1 year ago
thanks for the clarification, but I was already aware of that, and lol yes much of what I wrote is very common sense.
Anyways interestingly enough the first "cynics" come from a greek philosophy that essentially only truth can be known after rejection of all social conventions. In fact the orginal cynics were very different than our meaning today, they were more "hippy/idealist/philosopher" types. Eventually the word shifted meaning towards something closer to "mistrust of society".
HaveLucidDreamz 1 year ago
AWESOME video..... dang every one of these Pennsays videos has such great insight
whatever678 2 years ago
Hey, Conan talked about this on his last show!
pennsays 2 years ago
I could not disagree with Penn more.
I do not equate rich people with evil or poor people with benevolence. If someone cares about only money, I do not care. If somone has more power than I do, more power to them. All of my shortcomings are my doing and I am 100% to blame for them all.
I do not want the gov't taking anything from any LAWFUL American by force.
If I was king, I'd take the Wall Street fuckers out back and shoot them! Also, Penn's friend Glenn Beck is evil, spreading his cancer.
KillJesus 2 years ago
@KillJesus I do agree with you that the government should not take anything from lawful citizens. I do agree there are things individuals live through that cannot be credited to anything other than themselves. However, the circumstances which people are born into play a HUGE role in the ability to succeed.
One cannot rise in the economic ladder simply because of a desire to do so, especially if they have no access to a better education, protection or even a job that would sustain them.
vugundam 2 years ago
"One cannot rise in the economic ladder simply because of a desire to do so, especially if they have no access to a better education, protection or even a job that would sustain them."
The problem here is that you can't, nor should you ever, rely on the state to make those things available to you.
Understand that the government, just like corporations, are headed by people who have corruptible power. The benefits, no matter where they come from, will always have their price.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
I do not need reminding that people of government are corruptible. Every position of authority that I can think of, even down to those in a single family, are susceptible to corruption. However, that is not sound reasoning for the conclusion that one can't nor should ever rely on the state. A basic measure of any human relationship is trust. That trust can help things get done more effectively but sometimes is exploited or misplaced. History has many examples of effective/ineffective government.
vugundam 2 years ago
"However, that is not sound reasoning for the conclusion that one can't nor should ever rely on the state."
Then what is your justification for relying on the state?
"A basic measure of any human relationship is trust. That trust can help things get done more effectively but sometimes is exploited or misplaced."
Which is why trust is EARNED, not given or demanded.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
You assume I believe in trusting the state as I never did say that here on this comment log
Anyway, It is getting a bit tedious holding to simultaneous arguments. If you wish to continue, just shoot me a private message to my youtube account containing what you wish to discuss. Maybe you can even ask me what I believe before you continue assuming things about me or send me lectures over stuff I have been in. I am willing to carry on our discussion, just not on someone else's video comment log.
vugundam 2 years ago
@vugundam
Why not continue the discussion here?
If it's on topic, then why move it?
Watcher3223 2 years ago
@Watcher3223
Because
1) we have not talked much about morality of behind state services (which seems to be the main issue of this video). You seem a bit more concerned about government corruption and distrust. with that....
2) our discussion does not contribute much to this video from what has been discussed so far. And...
3) the character count limit; I'd find it easier if we could communicate without it.
vugundam 2 years ago
@vugundam
1. The morality behind state services has a lot to do with government corruption. After all, the various levels of government are the ones that must administer and manage those services.
2. If you feel the discussion does not contribute, then we ought to agree to disagree; the discussion should be kept open for others.
3. Work around the character limit; abridge what you say or continue your thoughts on another post if necessary.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
Agree to disagree? To elaborate on what I have said before, I have hardly expressed any political views. Other than the little debate on an individual's capacity to succeed, there have been no real debates; the rest of it consists mostly of you unnecessarily lecturing me.
Despite all of that, I believe we can still salvage a debate relevant to the video: our original debate on the individual's capacity for success. Let's continue that on another post you have made.
vugundam 2 years ago
Then fine. There was no debate.
The End.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
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"Then fine. There was no debate. The End. "
I said there WAS a debate going on. Wow. Just comes to show your reading comprehension. In fact, throughout our exchange, you have demonstrated your level of comprehension time and time again. I feel sorry for anyone who is willing to engage in debate with you.
vugundam 2 years ago
But Watcher3223, is'nt a certain amount of mutual respect needed to mantain a fuctional society? If everyone refused to give others respect on the grounds that they did not earn it because they did not show any than this creates a paradox. Someone has to make the first friendly gesture or else we are stuck with with a world of cynical mistrusting people. This could be very disfunctional in the long run.
hippo11222 2 years ago
"But Watcher3223, is'nt a certain amount of mutual respect needed to mantain a fuctional society? If everyone refused to give others respect on the grounds that they did not earn it because they did not show any than this creates a paradox."
This is an oversimplification. You respect others by leaving them alone unless someone specifically asks for your help and you judge that it's appropriate to do it.
In the case of earning an attitude, you earn trust, which is different to respect.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
@hippo11222
You don't need trust to do friendly, respectful gestures to others.
But understand that respect is always yielded as a courtesy, but trust is earned because it must be developed in time between individuals.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
But there has to be something to build on or there is nothing to develop. Why do so many individuals always have their guard u? I mean I'm not asking them to wear their hearts on their sleeves, but I think people start acting too cautious and such feelings are reflecting in their behavior. Not that this is a bad thing in and of it self, but it can lead communication to a standstill.
hippo11222 2 years ago
@hippo11222
"But there has to be something to build on or there is nothing to develop."
Except there is always something to build on and that's first established by communication. In other words, you get to know other people and do your part to build the relationship up to a point of trust.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
@hippo11222
"I think people start acting too cautious and such feelings are reflecting in their behavior."
Unfortunately, the world has people who will not have your interests in mind.
Of course you shouldn't act paranoid or anti-social, but you can't treat people you don't know personally any more than who they are to you: strangers.
Now, understand this goes both ways; just as you shouldn't act too cordially to a stranger, it's also out of place to give strangers the cold shoulder.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
@hippo11222
The thing is that respect is expected out of you towards others because that's courteous.
But, again, trust is earned because it must be developed.
Developing a relationship of trust takes time and effort.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
@vugundam
Ultimately, your ability to get a better education (or at least, the best that you can find for yourself), to protect yourself, and to find steady work is still up to you.
Ergo, if you have a desire, work hard for it ... as hard as you can.
That's all that you can really do that would be honest and honorable.
Accept the fact that, sometimes, life never works the way you want it to. But if you don't work on it yourself, it's virtually certain that life won't ever get better at all.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
Haha. No need to lecture me on the desire to advance. I simply acknowledge that some people are dealt a very bad hand and no amount of work or desire will fulfill even basic needs. Most of what you say to me seems to be based on assumption of my experience, knowledge or beliefs.
At least I have made an effort to see what you believe. On your youtube page, I see you are a supporter of the second amendment. At least we agree on that. I practice my second amendment rights as a gun owner.
vugundam 2 years ago
@vugundam
"I simply acknowledge that some people are dealt a very bad hand and no amount of work or desire will fulfill even basic needs"
Of course, that's no excuse not to try to make the best of what you got and to work hard and make sacrifices to get something better.
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frinkmhey 2 years ago
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KillJesus, When did Penn say the opposite of any of those things?
frinkmhey 2 years ago
Forgot the question mark. Dammit! Imao! Oh well. I guess T.V. shows like that really are rotting my brain. Imao!
hippo11222 2 years ago
By the way, I watched your Dihyrdrogen Monoxide video, and this chemical is everywhere. Do you know that it makes up to over 70% of your body weight.Of course its water! LOL I saw an Australian t.v. show that reported in the United States.They went up to people with a map, labeling Australia as North Korea.People actually believed that it was North Korea dispite the fact that the country is nowhere near there.Wow.when I watched that I died a little on the inside. False lol. Not cool.
hippo11222 2 years ago
Sadnessly I admit your right *sigh*. I wonder why many act this way. We can be so defensive as human beings. When will people realize how unessessary such behavoir is? Most of the world's problems are caused by a lack of communication between certain individuals, groups or countries. Imagine the feedback countries could have if they opened up. A man can dream right? I'm gonna make this dream a reality. I'll start, one person at a time. Maybe I'll start a free hugs campaign! lol
hippo11222 2 years ago
Don't we let our emotions get the best of us? I think we should live in a world free from pessimism. Logic in my opinion cancels out the need for such an attitude. And for our forefathers references, I admit they showed cynicism to some degree, but their ideals reflecting their views of universal human rights by far outshined their cynacism.We shouldn't use cynacism to shame someone into doing what is right.That's manipulative! We should live in a world where people want to contribute to others.
hippo11222 2 years ago
@hippo11222 We *should* but we don't.
pennsays 2 years ago
I understand why many use cynicism, but why should we continue to use it.I'm okay with cynicism with even a touch of skepticism, but too much of it takes things way too far.A lot of people have that "Don't fuck with me!" attitude.We can appear so jaded sometimes in our world. Why not just analyze the situation in a purely logical manner without letting our negative emotions hold sway over our actions.We need a little mutual kindness in our behavior. A little opticism is something all of us need!
hippo11222 2 years ago
In order to plaicate the poor why not give them jobs so they can earn money, feed their families and build themselves up. In order to give them jobs you have to lower taxes on all businesses, make it cheaper to keep jobs in america, and make it easier for fair loans to be made for small businesses. Instead of social security open an account for your employee and place a small precentage of the money he or she makes inside and they cant get to it unless they retire or die and family gets it
AmericanPoliceState 2 years ago
Our forefathers were cynical. That's why the only rights we really have is the right to say whatever we want, have a free lawyer, and have guns. (Probably free guns I'd argue) Cause people can't be trusted. People ARE bad. I'm bad, all the fuckheads on this comment are bad, Penn is bad. The only difference is some people are bearable bad, and some people have no redeeming qualities at all. Anyone who tells you otherwise probably plans to fuck you over.
JimProfitCat 2 years ago
Very interesting. A person who does not believe in God/Intelligent design, yet who believes that when people are cynical, they assume the worst about humanity and are thus in some way hateful. Perhaps Penn could explain to me how a person can believe that life has no universal purpose or how the universe has no creator, and not be cynical about existence.
OptimusGonzoo 2 years ago
I don't know, maybe I've seen too many of Pat Condell's videos. I used to like that guy, but when I asked him how someone can hold atheist beliefs without feeling like a cynic, and he said that he would rather be slightly cynical than to take something on faith. I found it funny that after watching many of his videos, he addressed the issue of faith after about 30 issues, when that is a major root of people's viewpoints on life.
OptimusGonzoo 2 years ago
Isn't this like a lion complaining about how predation seems evil ? Do you really think you've never been cynical ? Ah ! We can see the splinter in the other fellow's eye but not the beam in our own . Oh wait, that's religious, sorry !
zimtran99 2 years ago
Damn I love that watch.
What kind is it?
(sorry to be off topic!)
surgeyX 2 years ago
I don't think the poor hate the rich. It seems it's more the middle to upper middle class feel that way. Both the rich and poor seem to be compassionate, giving and care about their fellow man. the rich have everything they need or want, the poor have had to learn to be content with what they have, But the middle class can't seem to be content. Always trying to get rich by any means necessary because they are almost there but not quite. In my experience that's where I've found the most assholes.
grady5647 2 years ago
I think it's a misunderstanding that people think rich people only give to get a pat on the back or to look good or get a tax break. The rich people I've met focus a good deal of their time trying to make the world a better place. Yes they live somewhat extravagant but they give a good deal away. There are exceptions in the case of those who didn't earn their wealth but even in that group there is a low percentage of selfish assholes. Far fewer than in the middle class.
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grady5647 2 years ago
Cynicism is protective not hateful imo, it's more in line with awareness of all outcomes factoring in the worst and preparing for it.
I see it as a protection mechanism and use it as such. The majority of this planet are out for themselves - they need themselves right before they expand into external thought. Anyone bring up Maslow's Hierarchy? If ppl are at the lower tiers they would fight for what they consider preservation even if that meant hurting others 'cause their focus is on self.
meestaree 2 years ago
Penn, Why is it called cynicism if you don't believe the wealthy will voluntarily redistribute wealth fairly? It's not because I think they are selfish, it's because I think they are deluded in believing that their wealth is an accurate measure of their contribution to society. So, no they are no more selfish than anyone else, it's just they believe in a fantasy system. Capitalism is their religion. They see it as fair and just. Personal wealth is NOT an accurate gauge of societal contribution
lefty6584 2 years ago
You can give poor people all the money you want, they'll just hand it right back to the former rich people. lol.
l337pwnage 2 years ago
"Too Big to Fail" is hateful. The fact that the middle class is melting away faster than the polar ice caps is hateful. Despair caused by the fact that nearly 100% of the $ is horded by 10% of the pop is hateful. Eventually, bread and circuses will no longer appease our masses and this country will burn. Historically, when wealth and power are concentrated into a very few hands empires fall. America isn't shaping up to be the exception to this rule. It's not cynicism, it's reality.
Klicrai 2 years ago
cudos.i myself agree but also believe that if they handed over cash it would be under the belief it was another charitable contrabution instead of an economic tool. and being someone in the level of poverty i can say i dont want charity and few people in my situation disagree.
hopefulmiracle01 2 years ago
Capitalism is a system based on competition, most people can appreciate the idea that hard-workers get their due and slackers don't. Naturally, there's is going to be the inheritance factor wherein individuals born into successful families will remain rich and there's nothing inherently sinister about being rich.
The problem with capitalism occurs when the little guy can't even TRY to increase his wealth, when the big corporations are able to put rules in place to ensure he cannot.
TehSmellulare 2 years ago 2
@TehSmellulare So, basically what your saying is that regulation is the downfall of Capitolism? I totally agree. Deregulate!
littlebrownie4u2 1 year ago
@TehSmellulare I'm sorry, Capitalism...I went to public school.
littlebrownie4u2 1 year ago
The founding fathers were far more aristocratic than I think most Americans realize - all those guys rode around in the best carriages and lived on huge estates, even Jefferson (who probably represented the "Average Joe" more than anyone else.)
TehSmellulare 2 years ago
Newsflash, Penn, ALL laws are based on the assumption that people are bad, or at least are capable of very bad things. Laws against murder, rape, theft, etc. can all fairly be called "cynical." That doesn't make them wrong or "hateful." The only reason you were so depressed after that exchange is because one of the basic premises of your precious libertarian ideology was threatened. People aren't always going to do the right thing. Recognizing that is merely acknowledging reality.
jubal66 2 years ago
Those laws aren't preemptive action.
axelasdf 2 years ago
People shouldn't steal, rape, and murder either, but does that mean forcing people to pay for a police force is cynical? Taking morality (which is completely subjective) out of the picture, in a practical sense wealth redistribution doesn't work because the concept of wealth is derived from those who have more money or a better lifestyle compared to one's own, so the poor just wouldn't be as poor as they once were, but the rich would still have more than them.
ThatsTheGuyThere 2 years ago
Penn should recommend Frederic Bastiat's "The Law" to his wife's cynical friends and others. It was written two years after the French Revolution, and addresses, among other things, the false idea of socialism creating political stability.
mbzombie88 2 years ago
Great points. I do think that the gap between the rich and the poor is getting way out of hand in this country, and that something needs to be done, or our whole system will fall apart. In my view, pure capitalism, pure communism, pure democracy, just about anything in the total extreme in politics is ultimately self-destructive. But for the most part, I do agree with Penn here. We need to inform and empower people, not try to force our own beliefs and ways of life on them.
PokerKing66601 2 years ago
some of the most violent worker strikes occurred when people like the Rockefellers had a huge influence on the economy. The Railroad Strikes (end of the 19th century) resulted in violence and several deaths. Ssoo.... yeah people did have a problem with this. And did you forget about the Race Riots? We have a long history of people who have stated their problems with the government and turned to violence. Do I think the violence was necessarily appropriate?- not really. I'm just saying...
sepalm1770 2 years ago
Well-said. Our founding fathers believed that freedom was grounded in the non-interference of government.
bjustice 2 years ago
I'm an atheist but as such I understand the universe to be a chaotic place where the concept of "natural" has no place.
So why would any atheist subscribe to any philosophy or religion?
The universe, simply put, if a fucking mess.
And because of it we humans need to be ahead of the curve and do whatever we need to do to solve our problems: A little bit of socialism, and capitalism and libertiarism, etc.
It saddens me to see you as first and foremost a "liberterian" and not an atheist.
PhilistineTheArtLuvr 2 years ago 2
Why do you think he's not an atheist?
XlPackratlX 2 years ago
You've only met 3 or 4 bad people in your life? Have you heard of psychiatry. Lol. Great vid. Favorited it.
Okgenuine 2 years ago
Taking something that belongs to someone else and giving it away. I am pretty sure that's called stealing!!! What happens when this rich person does not want to give up what they worked for. After all this money is given away to the people with less money, then your only making new rich people. lol
acebillpackard 2 years ago
Really? The kind of things most people are talking about when someone complains about "wealth distribution" is nothing like that at all, but rather simply trying to help the poor, and possibly keep the rich and powerful from getting too out of hand. I haven't heard very many people talk about making the rich NOT rich, or make the poor rich. That's ridiculous.
PokerKing66601 2 years ago
Most dictionaries define cynicism as questioning the motives of others -- questions aren't inherntly hateful. Penn, I love you, man, but you ought to trust a wordsmith like George Carlin, and then double check by consulting a dictionary.
ejsquonk 2 years ago 2
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Why are you married if you're an atheist? What the fuck?
unhappy4life9 2 years ago
bennies, probably. Lot of laws based on marriage and spouses, also. Not just about religion. Would be wonderful if it were, though.
IheartFreedom 2 years ago
Well said Penn! If only libertarians had more voices out there...
jbm0745 2 years ago 2
The world would be a lot less hateful if Everyone including myself were more compassionate and giving. Actions speak louder than words. I think everyone is just "trying to get by." And that is were the line is drawn, people need to step over that line and sacrifice something for someone else.
StumanRH 2 years ago
So a social safety net is cynical? We should just assume that rich people will give poor people money because everyone in the world is so generous and good? I think it's more realistic to assume that some people in the world are generous and good, and others are greedy. Having a social safety net balances out that discrepancy -- generous people don't have to feel violated by it, since they believe wealth should be redistributed anyhow, and greedy people are forced to help poor people.
themasterbakerrr 2 years ago 2
Penn, come on. you think if all those poor people in the ghettos and in the trailer parks didn't have food, they wouldn't take to the streets? The crime rates would shoot through the roof, robbery, murder, revolution.
There aren't enough do gooders with money around to give hand outs to the majority of poor in this country. How in the world could the rich have access to all people in isolated inner cities in pockets all around the country.
Governments have learned to keep them well fed.
MaryOMackie 2 years ago
Outstanding. Well said, Penn.
megabraddotcom 2 years ago
aristocrats (snaps fingers) i lold
ericsbuds 2 years ago
The friend's examples sort of prove Penn's point. So he was *also* dead wrong. (I'm a Russian history nerd and such things bug me) The Russian and French revolts, according to many historians, were not started by popular discontent, but by a group of intellectuals who agitated the poor and used force to serve their own agendas. And how did those regimes turn out again? Not *exactly* egalitarian and compassionate.
Ok, it's a bit of a tangent, but still worth pointing out.
quem98 2 years ago
What are your ideas on the american revolution?
TheObnubilators 2 years ago
The American revolution didn't start because the people were starving, it was more of a revolt against government oppression and taxes.
MaryOMackie 2 years ago
oh and I suppose in the french revolution government oppression had nothing to do with it.
TheObnubilators 2 years ago
It was the poverty and hunger that drove the revolution, and perceived corruption of the fat cat elite classes.
hey, just like today. Our elites of America and Europe are still as corrupt and decadent as they were then, but as they say,
there's never a revolution began on an empty stomach.
Why do you think our poor people are so fat? It's no accident.
MaryOMackie 2 years ago
So do you think that if there were a government program which kept the French and the Russians well fed it may have staved off revolution?
It's too late now because we are all dependent on the government and grocery stores for food. Hardly anyone farms anymore, no one is self sufficient. The massive corporations--the rich elite and governments like it that way, they found a way to make a lot of money off of masses of poor suckers while keeping them from revolt by filling their bellies.
MaryOMackie 2 years ago
People revolt over injustice.
When the state subsidizes corporations, and leaves most of the taxes for the middle class, this creates resentment.
When wages undergo a stunt growth meanwhile total corporate profit increases twice fold, this creates resentment.
When an insurance company plays foul on you and does not cover your damages, this creates resentment.
HailRasec 2 years ago
Video is broken.
infikitsune 2 years ago
Thank you so much for saying this, Penn! Whenever i tell people that i'm skeptical (usually about religion, sometimes other matters), they try to peg me down as cynical. Worse, they think they mean it as a compliment. What you say here is everything I would argue in explaining how different those two are. On a completely unrelated note, i love the color scheme in the background. you/your wife have good taste!
AutumnDevi 2 years ago
u smell that pubster? I smell pussy!
Did someone kill Kenny?!?
crawford7803 2 years ago 2
Still no spam. Damn! what a pussy
crawford7803 2 years ago 3
how to make america great again:
-get rid of all laws execpt the constitution.
there you go.
MockStoneLLC 2 years ago
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Penn is wrong yet again, most people are scum and should not be trusted.
worldmayhem 2 years ago
Cry me a river, emo. When you're done cutting yourself that is.
hitchman84 2 years ago
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you're a perfect example of the type of person I would enjoy killing.
worldmayhem 2 years ago
Oh boy, now i'm intimidated! Emo boy wants to kill me, waaa. I guess I should be careful, though. Internet tough guys don't fuck around. Too bad you're a pussy.
*Points stick at diagram of you* "Say it with me now." F A G O T "Very good!" *Claps*
hitchman84 2 years ago
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You missed a "g" in "faggot", y'arrogant fuckbag.
smitty01209 2 years ago
Whao, fudge packers sure do stick together don't they. What's the phrase again? "Birds of a feather... suck each other's dicks?" Ah, damn I know I fucked up on that one somehow.
Look at you shred that bass like its your grandpa's fish stick. Keep the (village) scene alive!
hitchman84 2 years ago
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I wouldn't quite say I'm a homosexual so much as...say...an educated individual. Y'see, sometimes people go to this strange thing called "school". At "school", they learn how to function like an intelligent person in society. Check it out some time, mate.
smitty01209 2 years ago
"I wouldn't quite say I'm a homosexual" Heavy emphasis on "QUITE."
School's great, especially the whole graduation part. I recommend it to anyone with *looks at your background channel pic*... a... oh, you never...? Ah, don't worry about it mate. Tinkerbell accepts you for who you are. Just be carful, I heard he doesn't fuck around.
hitchman84 2 years ago
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nah, say your shit to my face and I guarantee you the next place you would be is the morgue, punk ass motherfucker.
You are outnumbered here ,so give it up, no one is impressed with your bs.
worldmayhem 2 years ago
"WAAAH! Hitchman make Tinkerbell mad! Me punch monitor really hard then go to room and write poem about my feelings!"
Listen Tink, -you don't mind if I call you Tink do you?- I know it can be difficult to find the time to type the ever so original "say it to my face from the anonymous safety of the the internet" line, especially between the trips to Hot Topic and... the apparent use of steroids and what not, but do try to, well, I don't know, you're a pussy. LMAO!!!
hitchman84 2 years ago
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you must think I am some teen. I am probably older than you so read this carefully: dont fuck with strangers, you never know what they are capable of doing.
I dont shop at Hot Topic and I dont use steroids. I can however kill someone with my hands.
worldmayhem 2 years ago
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Ah, yes. I forgot. Fucking with strangers online is such a risk because they can magically locate your home address via the number of vowels in their YouTube account name. I don't care if cynicism is hateful, but you (among many other humans) depress me beyond belief.
smitty01209 2 years ago
I guess you'd know. Is that how you're bromance with Tink got started. He sounds like the pitcher. I guess we all know what that makes you. hehehe.
"you (among many other humans) depress me beyond belief" Aww, that sounds like the title of one of Tinkerbell's emo poems. You queens should stop spending so much time together. Its starting to make you real cynical.
hitchman84 2 years ago
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Why is it you always resort to petty gay jokes? Is it because you don't have the grey matter available to develop a thought worth voicing? I'd like to think so. Either way, why should I be offended by being referred to as one of "that" persuasion? Why does something that is accepted in these modern times by all the rational thinkers of the world seem to be the perfect basis for vituperative remarks to you? I'm not sure. I assume, however, it is because your mind has yet to develop.
smitty01209 2 years ago
Why the gay jokes? Because you just make it so damn easy, lol. But you've got an interesting point. If you'll notice, I take great care to properly diversify my insults according to a rigorously and rigidly planned measurement system that fully analyzes and compares potential insults based on probable reactions and observable traits, thank you very much. :}
FAG
hitchman84 2 years ago
The only guy(?) playing the tough guy act here is you.
hitchman84 2 years ago
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no, I dont play, I am for real and that's why you would never meet me face to face, coward.
worldmayhem 2 years ago
a real woman that is trying to be confrontational , what are you going to do hit them with your purse?
pubsterguy 2 years ago
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uh yeah, that makes sense. You are going down, I have already told a dozen people about your game, construction man.
Wont be long before people spam you and your account goes bye bye.
You will learn your lesson.
worldmayhem 2 years ago
Why don't you meet him face to face then, pussyboy?
hitchman84 2 years ago
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I would love to meet you face to face, you will not last 1 min. I guarantee it, coward.
You are just another punk who I will take joy in crushing under my steel toed boots.
worldmayhem 2 years ago
And yet you still haven't given me YOUR info, what a surprise. I guess you'll get around to it though, after getting your eyebrows plucked and buying tickets in advance for the next Twilight movie.
Yeah, yeah. I got'ya. "Steel Toed" ie. "Stilettos", I know. I get the hint.
hitchman84 2 years ago
Yeah, you're for real alright. Talk'n shit to people you don't know through the vail of complete anonymity is the pinnacle of manliness. See, I can now just as easily mock you for not meeting ME face to face, Tinkerbell. The difference is that I'm not the one pretending like he can actually hurt someone, especially over the internet, lmao!
hitchman84 2 years ago
"I dont shop at Hot Topic." Of coarse you don't. That black nail polish and Dashboard Confessional album where just left there by your little sister. *wink*
"I dont use steroids." Yea, your not a roidhead, you just play one on YouTube. *Rage*
Oh Tinkerbell, we've made so much progress together. We've managed to establish that your a pussy, emo, roidhead that threatens his computer and shops at Hot Topic. Are there anymore confessions you'd like to reveal to your studio audience? *Grabs Popcorn*
hitchman84 2 years ago
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how about you provide your address and we;ll find out who you are talking shit to?
you wont because you're a cowardly piece of shit.
Come to TX and start your tough guy act with me, you wont live to regret it.
worldmayhem 2 years ago
Oh, so we're playing this game now are we? Ok, but first you give me YOUR address... your YouTube password, your credit card number and your bank account. Unless you're scared. >:)
Tough guy act? This coming from a guy who says he can kill people with his hands, lmfbo! Ah ha ha!!!
Why am I not surprised you come from Texas. Steers n' queers. You don't much look like a steer to me. Besides, shouldn't you be busy trying to secede while building a big ol' fence to keep out the big bad mexicans. lol
hitchman84 2 years ago
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1. I can destroy you with the knowledge I have
2. not everyone in TX is a cowboy or hates Mexicans.
3. grow the fuck up and stop causing trouble with strangers. you clearly have no life so you start shit to make yourself seem important.
worldmayhem 2 years ago
1. Lets all see this "knowledge" you've got then shall we. I wonder what it could be? How to properly shoot anabolic steroids through your neck? How to download every Good Charlotte album from iTunes without paying for it? Don't keep us waiting man!
2. No, just most of them... including you.
3. no
hitchman84 2 years ago
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you will never hurt me. I have been specially trained in 3 types of martial arts and served in Desert Storm. You would not survive combat with me.
worldmayhem 2 years ago