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  • Glenn Beck is an idiots but so Ed Shultz

  • Ed schultz is a fat, uninformed, idiot. He is jealous because he has 3 dozen viewers a night and glenn has 3 million. I never even knew he had a radio show till he called that woman a slut

  • Ed Schultz is an idiot. I think he either is jealous of Glenn Beck...or in love with him.

  • @thundersnake1 You're projecting....

  • One nice thing is, low-income Republicans have terrible lives, which they never seem able to alleviate. They think Jesus Fucking Christ is going to bring them the magical Lotto ticket so they can join the upper class --- and surprise fucking surprise that never happens. Republicans are mentally and physically weak and lazy.

  • glenn who ? oh, that self-admitted drug-abusing , gold-and-backpack-shilling scam artist ?

  • @beesleeper You do realize that Obama admtted to using cocaine right? Says so in his book.......

  • I meant kick BACK, not kick Beck--forget him,anyway.

  • rush limbaugh would destroy you

  • @ebel1122

    rush limbaugh destroys anyone who goes against him. when your stupid all you have to do is interrupt, yell louder, and cut off mics.... then poof!! you are the intellectual winner. hahaahahaha no matter how wrong or stupid rush is.... he will always win

  • stop hating so much rush destroy you . but out his league

  • in an ideal world, a fat, greasy, sweaty, pole smoking piece of shit would like Ed Schultz would have his head opened up with a meat cleaver.

    but unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world.

  • @liberalseatshit

    NO,YOU eat shit, you fucking piece of shit conservative asshole. In a perfect world, real reporters, not lunatic no-talents like Beck wouldn't even BE on the air in the first damn place!

  • Damn straight, keep speaking truth to power against those tea party thugs Ed Shultz.

  • I love Beck.  Anyone who does not agree with him is welcome to prove him wrong. He will take you on Ed.

  • @LittleMsChachi Fuck Glenn Beck you big pussy!

  • "I'm not in it for the ratings" - Ed Schultz. This is the guy who started out as a conservative radio talk host, wanting to be the next Rush Limbaugh, but his RATINGS were garbage so he switched to being a liberal radio talk host. This is the guy who only refers to Boehner as "The Tan Man", Palin as "Malibu Barbie" and Limbaugh as "The Drugster". This is the guy who begs his few viewers to watch him instead of Fox every night.

  • I looked up the word "Hater" it had a picture of Schultz. This guy's show is all about hate. Hate anyone with a different view. His viewership is less then reruns of Facts of Life.

  • why did ed not show the whole interview...because he wouldn't have anything to talk about.......thanks for the ratings ed...try something original

  • beck has the president pegged pretty well. he does have a muted hatred for the 'rich' and white people. everything in his life points to this

  • @shroomingnewman You are an idiot. There is no proof that he has a hatred for white people. If so, send it too me. I would love to see/hear it.

  • @shroomingnewman

    Um, what the hell are you talking about? Exactly what and where in Obama's life points to him hating ALL white people? I swear, it's like when people like you listen to these right-wing talk show nuts, their ability to think ceases to function or shut down,period! It's if y'all just decided, "Aah, fuck it, I'm too damn lazy to think---lemme kick beck, put a away a beer,and let Beck and other MFs do the thinking for me. Aaaah, my damn head hurts thinking about complex issues!

  • GOP ARE MERCHANTS OF FEAR GREED TORTURE AND MIDEAST OIL WARS !

  • Get a life ed

    er I meant viewers

  • beck is a hate monger... but im not -ed schultz

    What is funny is that ed talks about non experience in radio.. um all this douchebag did was play football for a while and work at simple tv stations.. JUST LIKE BECK!!

  • This prick is the biggest hate monger nut job next to Olberman and the looney leftists on the More Stupid Neanderthals Bigoted Cowards network

  • Glenn Beck is a lying racist Nazi who don't know a fucking think. everytime he opens his mouth he fucking lies. i see why he is on fox.

  • @unelmitchell Oh he lies? about what? Most of what he has said has come true so watch him for once instead of being lazy listing to the morons on MSNBC

    Fox blew away this pathetic station and all the others on election night and no only the cheating peice of shit liberals like to lie like Harry Ried and soon to out of a job Nancy Pelosi

    BWA HA HA HA HA

  • ED Shultz would get OWNED if he went on Beck's show.. OWNED

  • Schultz is a dumbass.

  • fuck ed

  • Hey Ed, if there are so many things commentators can do to gain ratings, why don't you employ any of them?

  • @benjaminmcintosh Beck has only a high school diploma.

  • @MadHabber93 that certainly explains a heck of alot.

  • @MadHabber93 neither did Bill Gates.

  • @AllTheSame711 But Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard, which means he was recognized and thought of high enough to even get in there. Harvard wouldn't take Beck if he paid them millions. Not to mention he left Harvard to create one of largest companies on the planet. Gates also doesn't tell people how they should think either. Very poor comparison.

  • @MadHabber93 I doubt Beck cares he makes over 32 million a year now. Gates still didn't have a college degree and that is why i responded. Gates wealth is mainly in stocks and it isn't liquid.

  • @AllTheSame711 Yes, Beck makes a shit load...for himself. Gates created countles jobs and wealth for many, many people. He is also a HUGE philanthropist, so apparently a lot of his money is liquid. Beck is a self proclaimed hero, that some people fall on every word he says. He's a former top 40 DJ that somehow a lot of people believe what he says is actually important and worth hearing.  They're listening to the wrong person. What he makes is also irrelevant.

  • GOP PROPAGANDA IST LIKE NAZI PROPAGANDA !  HOT AIR !

  • Watching the march now... it seems whenever the crowd starts to fall asleep the speakers have to quote Martin Luther King to get them to wake up & clap. sad :(

    Margaret Moran - just said we all must stand united, she listed "every race" except whites & ended by saying "Latino Power"

    think it's nap time. zzzzzzzzzzz

  • God Bless Ed Schultz

  • Tom Tancredo is an idiot...just another right wing propaganda merchant selling the corporate agenda to low grade morons that can't think for themselves and have to listen to the Beckster in order to have any kind of thought in their heads

  • Mr. Schultz has lost all credibility many years ago, nothing more than spin. Recent spin tactics against Glenn Beck’s rally is classic Mr. Shultz playing the race card, tactic democrats use over and over when their poll numbers tank or run for office.

    The Ed show is nothing more than an hour of spin without fair balanced facts and is the reason for the shows failure as ratings continue to been very low while Glenn Becks ratings sky rocket.

    Ed Schultz the king of media spin!

  • @xxxmailbin Jesus Christ man, it doesn't take much to know that Schultz and Matthews are two hardlining democrats? The Beck rally was a joke and a horrible insult to the collective intelligence of Americans though, and for you to sit here and defend it makes me question your sanity. Beck like Schultz is a corporate mouthpiece though in Schultz's defense, at least what he says is based in reality and not Planet X like Glenn Beck

  • It is obvious that Glenn Beck doesn't know how to use google since he dropped the ball on the Derrion Albert commentary. Oh yeah, it was because they pulled prayer out of the public schools.

  • Wow, Glenn sounds like a repetitive liberal. "Racist, racist, rasict!!"

  • Glenn Beck Is a cunt.

    Signed,

    Right of Center

  • you're just as annoying as glenn beck schultz

  • Ed sure is obsessed with Glenn Beck.

    “If you have an erection lasting longer than 4 hours please contact your doctor”

    Good thing Ed’s show is only on for an hour.

  • @keepingitreal10 Jesus christ that was a fucking retarded comment, you sir need to have your brains blown out.

  • @keepingitreal10

    Just another wise ass. That is all you guys can do since you really don't pay attention to both sides.

    Bias wise ass.

  • @keepingitreal10

    should he not? glenn beck is a megaphone for the most dangerous people in america. they are so dangerous because they 100% believe that they themselves are moral, correct, and blessed by a god.

    im obsessed with people like that who have access to millions of impressionable anti-intellectuals and use it to manipulate them into exciting conspiracy theories.

    fox news makes republicans look stupid.

  • @keepingitreal10 So what? Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and many other people in the Far Right are obsessed with attacking and criticizing President Obama.

    Good thing that low-class Moron Glenn Beck doesn't have a show anymore.

  • Special Ed "the red headed retard" is consumed with Beck and his rally. I listened to this former Rush Limbaugh pool boy yesterday talking about how his October 2 rally will bring more than Beck's 300,000. My question for this red faced blow hard is do you really think that 300k people even watch you on PMSNBC, much less listen to you on your more than 50 radio stations?

  • @sexycarln Goddamned right they will get 300,000 or more. Folks are sick and tired of the hate mongers Palin, Beck, Limptard and their ilk.

  • Limbaugh,Beck, Fox & the GOP are hate merchants. they hate everything. Blacks, Latinos, Asians, Jews & Muslims, Democrats, Progressives. Anyone but white Conservatives christians. they are dividing up this country ! we all need to come together as americans without all this evil racism !!!

  • You go Ed! Republican party = Criminal Corporate Capitalism and Ignorant Racist Classism.

  • *L...what a tool this guy is....

  • Yawn........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Blaa Blaa Blaa Blaa Blaa Blaa Blaa Blaa Blaa Blaa Blaa !!!!!!!

  • Ed kicks ass! If he wrong then why don't Rush or Beck take him up on he challenge to debate him? Because Rush and Beck are cowards and Ed has the truth on his side.

  • @bd610j2 There is an absolute disconnect between reality and the way this man thinks.

  • @bd610j2 he just wants to debate Rush or Beck because he knows thats the only way to improve his dead-ass ratings

  • Glenn Beck is a power house who lives rent free in Ed Shultz mind. Ed has been playing the race card for many years, nothing new. While the Ed Show is full of bias spin. Glenn Beck continues to expand viewers beyond any stretch of the imagination.

    Glenn Beck is for real change, The Ed Show is nothing more than a one hour hate GOP spin racisit show.

    Just a small handfull of cheerleaders left watching Ed Show.

  • @xxxmailbin Expand viewers? Meaning old, bitter, white Obama haters. LOL

  • Ed Shultz = Biggest Assclown that has ever existed

  • @LesPaulCustom79 Agreed.

  • Ed Shultz, your head is stuck so far up your own asshole, you need a glass navel just so you can see where you are going. Where you are going is straight to Hell in a handbasket!!!

  • If he is a Hate Merchant I would hate to see what you would call yourself if you were not so stuck on yourself. Ed what a joke! But hey your ratings say it all... all hate no info worth listening to means no one watches your show.... ;)

  • @Foundingfatherfollow Amen to that!

  • ed....you unwittingly contribute to Beck's huge ratings...why not focus on something else ??

  • ed schultz is a jerk off...

  • ed schultz....this fat, blubbery liberal shiteater could use a little crowbar to the skull.

  • If Glenn Beck is a "merchant of hate" what would that make you, Mr. Schultz?

  • GLEN BECK IS THE ANTI CHRIST

  • u can do a lot of things to get ratings like talk about Glenn beck and hope people will watch. By the way isn't that the point your a news corp competing with other news corps. Isn't that the goal for people to watch?

  • But Obama is 1/2 white! Does he hate himself?

  • Ed Schultz is a Communist... I call it like I see it. MSNBC give the Communists a platform to talk and re-program the Public. Schultz is a Communist Party member... prove me wrong!

  • What an Idiot

  • LMAO this guys is such a loser, what channel dose this fatty come on? anybody watch this guy thats gonna get canceled in 3 weeks

  • haha look at this fat fuck, Beck fosters hate? When do you ever see this fat douche bag happy on his shit TV show or on his shit radio never? oh yeah NEVER, eat shit and die liberals.

  • Glenn BecKKK, how do you sleep at night?

  • @Lochee1000 tylenol PM's....cute how u inserted the three K's...ur the deep thinker in ur boy band, huh?

  • ed is envious of beck!

  • @PatricksTime Because of the money or the stupidity?

  • PATRICK, oh no,, you're backwards dude. BecKKK is envious of Ed Shultz. Look at the ridiculous contradictions in BecKKK's own words: " Obama has a deepseated hatred for white people. I'm not saying he doesn't like white people, I think he's a racist." That was a dumb, mixed-up and senseless statement.

  • You know Ed was a conservative till he ate a bologna sandwich then he became a liberal. True story it is in his book. Ed Schultz is a joke.

  • People take life way to seriously

  • For all you defending Beck.... HE DOESNT CARE FOR THE AVERAGE AMERICAN WORKER! HE FLAT OUT DOESNT!!!!

  • @George91280 how much do u care about the average american worker...? do u volunteer on the weekends washing cars and painting fences?

  • Let him have it ED!

  • I wonder if this idiot has read obama's book? there are plenty of racist remarks towards white people in it.....

  • That was a stupid assertion, SPARKY. Obama's book relates to his experiences as a young person who comes to see the real world after being cocooned in his white family's world and comes to term with his bi-raciality and fitting in with both groups.

  • @sparkychan123 such as? An example or two would be nice.

  • Yea, Beck lies and, the Lib Dems are right for the country. If its not Congressman Hank Johnson capsizing Guam, or Obama visiting his 57 states or, Congressman Charles Rangel hiding his money and not paying taxes or, Barney Frank running a gay prostitution ring out of his apartment or, the 430 soldiers lost in Afghanistan in Obama's first year, more than 8 years of Bush combined or, Biden saying that stimulus worked and 3 million more are working despite no change in unemp. rate. Yea, Beck lies.

  • Sir, ed you are a Fool and don't even know it.

  • its all true.....HAHAHAHA hides behind his plastic Jesus...hahaha all Beck is is a RADIO HACK!!! lies every day....Shultz is 100% CORRECT

  • Poor Ed will never be a match for Glenn Beck. Ed's ratings are in the toilet that is why Obama went on Fox instead of Eds's show. Poor Ed crying about it now. LOL

  • is there a psychiatrist in the house?

  • they've expanded their vocabulary from hate mongerer to hate merchant i'm proud of you Ed, you must have paid your local school district to give you an honorary GED.

  • Stand Beck up on top of touchdown Jesus and that would be justice if you did it a week ago

  • ed that is calling the black kettle black, well it must be the democrates are anti-god thats all MSNBC talks about is the gays issues MSNBC is known as the gay network. You fruitloops need to go serve instead of destroying our military with your sick sexiual fettishes. Ed you work for the demoriltes, in the bible god makes it clear on the gay issue , it is an obimination and is wrong. ed you push hate and misinforation. AMERICAN MEDIA IS NO MORE ALL WE HAVE IS NEWS HACKS NO IQ

  • @BigBry49 The Bible is also "clear" on a number of issues, like stoning your children to death if they disobey you, stoning women who aren't virgins upon their wedding night, prohibiting the shaving of one's facial hair and temples (hence the look of Orthodox Jews), wearing clothes of wool and linen together, etc. Did not Jesus state that "He who is without sin among you cast the first stone" and still you come on here with your fusion of Church and State, Anti-Gay, Theocratic rubbish!

  • And yet people use "librals" at me as though it's a swear word... yet it seems to me that the Repubs are the ones slinging words/ hate and verbal punches

  • Why do right wing nut bars such as Beck and Limbaugh have high ratings?

    It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that there are many, many more not-so-bright people watching television and listening to radio than intelligent people.

    It's a fact of life that can't be refuted. There are far more below average intelligence humans than there are above average. Practically all of them have televisions and radios. And they like being dumbed down. Poor saps.

  • Someone is jealous of Glenn's ratings here huh ED...

  • Ed...I detect some envy. Beck's rating are HUGE. Your ratings are...well...not very good.

  • Didn't ole' Ed here beat his first wife? Just somethimg I heard

  • I think it's kinda funny how when someone on the right accuses someone of being a racist it gets blasted everywhere, and everyone says that person is evil and a Nazi bla bla bla. However, when a left wing person accuses someone of being a racist it's ok. How many fucking times has Olbermann accused people of being racist and other nasty slandering remarks. This guy ED here is hypocritical. Maybe he should mention Olbermann's nasty racist accusations. But then again he works for MSNBC.

  • this gut is a pussy he talks about other people but he does nothing more than beck the only differences thing is he is far far left and thinks the government should have the right to tell us to wipe our ass........ and what to think fuck him

  • @nextxguy learn how to spell dip shit! If you don't like him, ok, don't watch him! Go listen to the retards Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin. You're all morons and deserve each other!

  • i like the shit out of beck but msnbc sucks shit Obama sucks too

  • @DevastatorsPissed1,

    lets talk more about the right-wing cult of hating government(even though they really love it in many ways).

    If Guy B says that government is usually better specifically with health insurance because they have no profit motive (don't have to pay greedy CEOS hefty salaries and no need for marketing) do conclude that Guy B therefore loves government in general just because of his stance on this one issue?

  • @DevastatorsPissed1

    Lets talk about hardcore right-wing ideology or what I call right-wing theology or the right-wing cult of hating government(which is most of the time quite hypocritical too)

    Guy A says all government sucks (no exceptions)

    then Guy B comes along and disagrees with Guy A's broad sweeping generalization do yo conclude that Guy B must therefore love government and trust government in all things?

  • Oh and BTW, Cost savings were always going to be the weak part

    of this health care bill relative to other things. Of course we could have

    had a public option to lower those costs but right-wingers like you

    would have objected because you've been so indoctrinated and

    brainwashed to think anything that is run by the "government" must be

    worse than the private sector(no exceptions) even when compared to

    such a corrupt evil industry like the health insurance industry.

  • as for the CMS report. You don't really what that 311 billion is about do you? That # is on the the deficit and so only looks at national health expenditures without looking at revenue increases and cost savings which really start to kick in the long run. Google "A health-care reform Rorschach test" by Ezra Klein for more details.

  • @SmashTheRight38 Yes you clearly admitted the Osama raise taxes, and you dont seem to mind government intruding into peoples lives. Whats next forcing every one to buy hybrid cars? And your right about the Republican spending, way too many progressive in the Republican party.

  • @DevastatorsPissed1," Yes you clearly admitted the Osama raise taxes, and you dont seem to mind"

    Do you speak english. "raise taxes"? actually in your last post you said "ly raised taxes on the middle class".

    So thats called changeing the subject. Chaning your argument. Obama has not raised taxes on the middle class and you're an ignorant peasant if you think that.

    Thats raised(past tense idiot)

  • @DevastatorsPissed1 ,"and you dont seem to mind government intruding into peoples lives. "

    intruding?

    Tell me your position on abortion?

    Tell me your postion on warrantless wiretapping?

  • @SmashTheRight38 Ok, back to healthcare then, before the government started intruding on the healthcare system people would pay for there health care with mutual aid societies. They were all over the place until your precious government decided to take more choices away from its citizens. If you really want to know abortion is irrelevant to me and I hate idea of our government spying on us, but Obamas loving it.

  • @DevastatorsPissed1,"Ok, back to healthcare then, before the government started intruding on the healthcare system people would pay for there health care with mutual aid societies."

    You mean before medicare? So you do want to eliminate medicare? HMM what was poverty level of the elderly before medicare again?

  • @DevastatorsPissed1,"They were all over the place until your precious government decided to take more choices away from its citizens. "

    Give one example where the government took away a choice from its citizen? Funny thing, You want to take away someone's chose for a public option don't

    you?

  • @SmashTheRight38 And why in the hell do you trust our government so much any way? The same government that responsible for Iran contra Vietnam the genocide of native Americans. Sure lets let these people run things.

  • @DevastatorsPissed1,"nd why in the hell do you trust our government so much any way?"

    On what specific issues do you base that on? If someone trusts government in one area more than private industry is that enough for you to say they trust government in general?

  • Cons love reducing taxes while increasing spending while pretending they are fiscally conservative. Ya in power cons act the most irresponsibly fiscally and then when they are out of power they bitch and scream about the deficit. Again where was your right-wing hypocritical ass when the Bush tax cuts, medicare prescription drug bill and the Iraq war all raised the deficit and were all unpaid for unlike this health care bill

  • DevastatorsPissed1,But I see you ignored the rest. By your

    argument the government is already telling  how to spend your

    money via tax dollars whether they go for Iraq war, medicare,

    SS or whatever. But once again where were you when Republicans

    advocated the same thing?

  • @SmashTheRight38 So your comparing the insurance mandate to taxes, so you admit that Obama has essentially raised taxes on the middle class. But you libs love your taxes. Btw did you see the news CMS report Obama care is going to raise costs buy $311 billion. Liberals always fail.

  • @DevastatorsPissed1," So your comparing the insurance mandate to taxes, "

    ITs very comparable. You're mandated already to pay taxes for SS, medicare and so on. Once again where was you right-wing hypocritical ass when Romney, Hatch, Grassley, the conservative heritage foundation, etc... all endorsed mandates? Again thats a republican idea

  • @DevastatorsPissed1 ," so you admit that Obama has essentially raised taxes on the middle class"

    No I admitted no such things and for you to conclude that tells me volumes about your level of reading comprehension. Listen dumbass, the taxes on the working and middle classes are low. When idiot hypocrite Palin bitched about how many days a year are used just to pay taxes she neglected to tell her stupid sheep that it was at an all time low,

  • Furthermore(if I remember correctly about the medicare prescription

    drug bill) Ask seniors who had no choice but to pay certain prices

    only for American drug companies as opposed to being able to

    purchase cheaper Canadian equivalents to those drugs.

  • DevastatorsPissed1,"I dont care who endorses it the government has

    not right to tell me how to spend my money, I dont know why you would

    bring up progressive George Bushs drug plan because I dont remember

    paying any fine for not buying drugs"

    LOL!! progressive. Ya right. The medicare prescription drug

    bill was nothing more than funneling money to BIg pharma

    which is  the exact opposite of what progressivism is about.

    Let me guess. You've been listening to the demagogue Glenn

    Beck?

  • DevastatorsPissed1

    Newsflash, one the main motivating factors in wanting universal

    health care is lowering costs. You do realize yo do you no that

    countries with universal health care have way way lower costs Per

    capita and as a % of the GDP than we do do?

  • also DevastatorsPissed1, Do you view paying taxes for medicare, Social security, the two wars, the medicare prescription drug that was passed when republicans were in power as "forcing" you? In fact do you view paying taxes in general as you being "forced" to do something the same way as this mandate?

  • @SmashTheRight38 Universal health care is the end goal and you know it. I dont care who endorses it the government has not right to tell me how to spend my money, I dont know why you would bring up progressive George Bushs drug plan because I dont remember paying any fine for not buying drugs. And the word greed should never be used for payment received for services rendered. If you dont like how one CO. does business you can speak with youre wallet.

  • @DevastatorsPissed1," Universal health care is the end goal and you know it."

    Well of course it is and no one is hiding that fact even though to get 100% universal healthcare will not happen(maybe something 95%). Now I guess you don't understand the direct correlation between the cost of health care and people who are not insured winding up in the ER? BTW universal healh care doesn't have to be single payer if thats what you think

  • I still would have liked a public option instead or in addition to the mandate.

  • BTW, just for the record I have mixed feeling about this mandate. I hate the idea of forcing people to pay the greedy evil health insurance industry however there is a specific logical & mathematical justification for in terms of lowering health care costs(at least in theory). You see whenever you can pool more and more people into an insurance group then the risk can be spread out more which usually almost always leads to lower costs. I see both sides of the argument

  • BTW, As I think I already pointed out, overhead adminsitrative

    costs for medicare are lower than private insurance. The healthcare

    costs per capita and as a % of our GDP are way way way higher than other developed countries with much more government

    involvement than ours yet you say "government programs always

    cost more then there expected to." which is irrelevant anyway when

    it comes to the healthcare bill.

  • Once again this healthcare bill uses mandates which are a

    republican idea. Romney's mass healthcare system relies on

    mandates. The Conservative heritage foundation praised mandates

    in Romney's heatlhcare but then when Obama endorsed the idea

    said it was unconstitutional. Republican senators Hatch and

    Grassley were all for mandates until Obama endorsed their idea

    then flip-floped

  • @DevastatorsPissed1,"All librals hate white people. Librals hate every one.... unless you have a giant D next to you'r name. 2 "

    How does it feel to be a dumb ignorant right-wing peasant?

  • @SmashTheRight38 Unfortunatly government programs always cost more then there expected to.

  • @DevastatorsPissed1 , are you this ignorant? Government programs? What government programs? The heatlhcare bill isn't socialized heatlhcare where the government owns and operates the hospitals and where the doctors are government doctors. OH My gaad. The indoctrination and brainwashing among the right is just incredible. Hell there isn't even a public option and even if there was one that still wouldn't make "socialized "healthcare

  • @SmashTheRight38 Oh you'r right it's not socialize health care (yet). Instead I'm being forced to buy it out of my own pocket. My mistake.

  • @DevastatorsPissed1, Yet? there goes that famous right-wing paranoia now when you say "forced", what do you mean exactly? Do you think people are coming with guns drawn and they will force you?

    But you see where the hell where you and your ilk when Chuck Grassley, Orin Hatch, the conservative foundation and of course flip-flopping expert Mitt Romney

    all endorsed this mandate at one time or another?

  • and now for the key part

    "The incremental effect of

    enacting the reconciliation bill (over and above the effect of enacting

    H.R. 3590 by itself) would thus be to further reduce federal budget deficits"

    So DevastatorsPissed1 you don't WTF you're talking about. Furthermore I see you didn't deal with the comparison between the way the CBO scored this heatlhcare bill and how the CBO scored the Bush tax cuts, Iraq war and the medicare prescription drug bill.

  • continued,

    "Reflecting the changes made by the reconciliation proposal, the combined

    effect of enacting H.R. 3590 and the reconciliation proposal would also be

    to reduce federal budget deficits over the ensuing decade relative to those

    projected under current law—with a total effect during that decade in a

    broad range around one-half percent of GDP. "

  • From the CBO itself

    "many Members have requested CBOs analysis of the longterm

    budgetary impact of broad changes in the nations health care and

    health insurance systems. Therefore, CBO has developed a rough outlook

    for the decade following the 20102019 period by grouping the elements of

    the legislation into broad categories and (together with JCT) assessing the

    rate at which the budgetary impact of each of those broad categories is

    likely to increase over time."

  • All librals hate white people. Librals hate every one.... unless you have a giant D next to you'r name.

  • @ignati123,Now you called liberals "marxist". Do you even know

    what that means? Give me a definition of marxist. I want to see

    if you even know what it means

  • 12) Even Ron Paul doesn't call Obama a socialist(calls him a corporatist).

    13) Republicans have gone on record as saying they intentionally use

    phrases like "socialist" or even 'fascist" to rile up people(like Michigan Republican Party Saul Anuzis)

  • 10) Republicans have praised and even took credit for the Stimulus

    when going back home in blue ribbon ceremonies in contrast to

    how they bash it in the national press back in DC or in front

    of right-wing media to tell their right-wing peasant base

    what they want to hear.

    11) republicans were for the deficit commission but flip-flopped

    on it once Obama endorsed it. Same things with Pay as you where

    the GOP flip-flopped on it as soon as Obama endorsed it.

  • 9) According to the CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN ENTERPRISE

    INSTITUTE AND CONSERVATIVE ECONOMIST MARK ZANDI the

    STIMULUS WORKED. According to conservative economist Martin

    Feldstein, government must pick up the slack (to some degree at

    least) in terms of spending when Businesses aren't investing

    and consumer's aren't spending in a deep recession they

    we are experiencing

  • 7) Mandates are a Republican idea. Chuck Grassley and Orrin Hatch came

    up with the idea(and McCain before that and even goes back to Nixon)

    in 1993 as an idea to counter "Hillarycare". Romney's Mass healthcare

    also has mandates and in the 2008 Republican primaries Romney's

    endorsed mandates nationally.

    8) The conservative Heritage foundation praised Romney's mandate idea

    on healthcare but when Obama endorsed the idea Heritage foundation

    flip-flopped on it

  • 5) THe heatlhcare systems in developed countries with much more government

    involvment always have not only much less costly healthcare systems(

    per capita and as a % of GDP) but much less costly.

    6)

    Medicare and countries with a single payer system have much lower

    administrative costs than the private sector despite the propaganda

    from the Heritage institute.

  • 4)THe fannie and Freddie May GOP talking point right-wingers like you like

    to spew as explaining the financial crisis, well Fannie and Freddie

    actually only followed the private sector's lead on subprime and nor

    where they the leaders in the subprime market(that was the private

    sector like GOldmann Sachs again).

  • 2)Even before Obama took office the deficit was projected to be

    1.2 trillion.

    3) THe CBO scored the Bush tax cuts, medicare prescription drug bill and

    the Iraq war as all being not payed for and projected to greatly

    adding to the deficit.

    In contrast the CBO scored the current healthcare bill as reducing the

    deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars in the next 10 years.

  • @SmashTheRight38 The CBO numbers were based on 10 years of taxes and only 6 years of spending... but you knew that didn't you.

  • @DevastatorsPissed1,'he CBO numbers were based on 10 years of taxes and only 6 years of spending... but you knew that didn't you"

    You sound like you're recycling Robert Samuelson's claim but of course like Samuelson you fail to note that the CBO also says that the the healthcare bill would continue to lower the deficit in the following decade (after the decade in question) by even more which directly contradicts your claim.

  • @ignati123, Here are some facts that the right-wing doesn't like to deal with

    1) In the recent Financial reform, GOP opposed the idea of letting

    wall street banks to finance their own bailout rather than relying

    on Tax payers by taxing the banks. Dems, in order to try and

    be bipartsian, agreed to eliminate this part of the bill and the

    GOP still opposed financial reform.

  • @ignati123,What specifically is a "typical response of a subverter."?

    and specifically are they "subverting"?

    I don't people like Beck and the people that are fans of him crazy?

    I call Beck a demagogue who makes a living exploiting dumb ignorant

    right-wing peasants like you. So usually there isn't what I call

    crazy behavior here. But there is plenty of ignorance(and mindless hate)

    and exploitation of the ignorant going on here.

  • @ignati123,"8)Minimum wage hurts up and coming small businesses."

    Total myth. As I recall in there was a study done about the

    impact on increasing the Minimum wage in florida and the economy

    wasn't hurt at all.

  • @ignati123,"7)Tax cuts don't "just go to the rich."

    Hardly anyone says they "just go to the rich.". The argument from

    the left usually is they have predominantly gone to the rich (at least

    during the Bush years. Read David Cay Johnston for more info)

    and that furthermore tax cuts generally don't trickle down like the

    supply-siders would us believe and most importantly tax cuts don't

    pay for themselves.

  • @ignati123,"6)The top 3% of taxpayers pay about 40% of the total tax revenue.7"

    I don't know if that it or not (various stats get thrown around) but then you

    ignore the part that comes with that question which is how much of the

    total wealth does the top 3% or 1% control? Fact is the last 30 years

    and especially the last 10 years the wealthy have done very well and

    the tax system has been very kind of the wealthy(just ask Warren buffet)

  • @ignati123,"A direct correlation between technological advancement and the profit motive."

    If you're saying there is correlation between technological advancement

    and the increase in healthcare because the healthcare industry decides

    to over use expensive technology when it doesn't need to as progressive

    I would agree thus contradicting your premise but the profit motive also manifests itself in the form of greedy health insurance execs jacking up

    rates just for the sake of greed.

  • @ignati123,"A direct correlation between economic success and Reganomics.3"

    If you mean that the rich are more likely to be for supply side yes of course

    because supply-side economics helps the rich at the expense of the working/middle class.

  • @ignati123 ,As far as the very common tiresome braindead right-wing

    GOP/health insurance industry talking on rationing that you barfed up,

    We already have rationing in this country especically in the form of people

    being denied healthcare.

    @ignati123 ,"1)Gun control leads to higher crime rates.2"

    and your reliable sources to back that statement up? Do you think

    Obama is going to take away your guns?