hey! very nice gyro stabiliziation system! even greater if the cg seems to be at the top of the propeller... are you using conterotating propellers for sure.. dont you? well that's obvious, nice job tough... tailsitter i´m into design also
Great job, the reason I came across this video in the first place is because I have an idea for the VTOL myself... Long story short, imagine putting the propeller on the nose of the craft (much more stable) and a revolving cot-pit between the wings. during liftoff the pilots would be aligned with the craft and while it turns in horizontal orientation the cot-pit would revolve also, keeping the pilots upright. Cot-pit like a pendulum preserves the orientation.
If it is not a secret...can you explain the design.I can't understand the vertical take-off and then horizontal flight.How the propeller overcomes the weight of the UAV to keep it vertical and then to fly horizontal.I have seen VTOL but the propeller is changed horizontal-vertical wich I can't see in your UAV.For me it would be possible if the propeller was on top...but i can't figure with the propeller down.If it is really a trade secret...I understand.Thank You.
The propeller is a pusher type and mounting on the top or bottom makes no difference. Th propeller makes thrust for hover and for high speed flight without any changes. The thrust in hover is much larger than high speed flight.
@smorrismlbco Ok . I understood the statement . It is just I cant figure it out : at the begining of the video when the UAV is "floating" in vertical position in order to keep it that way you must have it perfectly balanced - it is like a long stick you have on the tip of your finger.That stick will fall from vertical position unless you make movement so the base of the stick counteract the tip of the stick where it is falling.If that stick it is hold from the tip...the gravity is doing its work
There is a computer on the vehicle that provides stability. The dynamics are not the same as a stick balanced on a finger because the vehicle does not "pivot" about the thrust location. There is no such thing as "pendulum stability" for a flying vehicle if the thrust is fixed relative to the body. A computer provides all of the stability regardless.
@smorrismlbco So this is my question then . This computer how stabilizes the UAV in vertical? It does move the propeller or powertrian entirely like the thrust vectors in a direction other than parallel to the UAV longitudinal axis? Or how I have seen you have some small wings integarted in the hull of the propeller? Does those works as opposing forces in radial direction as the UAV stands vertical? Tanks you.
The latest video is on my channel: "V-Bat 3.0 Transition Test Flight"
This version weighs 65 lbs and is powered by a 3-W 157cc engine. The endurance is 5 hours at 80 kts. I do not have presentation material on this design.
Thank you for your responce.How much weight does have your VTOL and whats the endurance?I am new in this field and really is very beautyfull.Can you direct me to some theoretical background to start with (books..videos...).You can PM me.Thank you once again.
Hi wow great footage im wanting to design and make an rc flying saucer what is vtol and can turn any direction im just learning about stabiliy could you tell me what i need to make it lift by using one central prop how does yours work ? does it have like a counter rotating weight/gyro? or counter rotating blades ? and would it vtol without the long body or do you need that for stability ? i would be very gratefull for any info/diagrams
We have a scaled -up design on paper that can carry 300 lb payload (1 passenger) 300 miles at 150 mph. The vehicle is not very big (15 ft span, 950 lb weight) and has an 8 ft diameter fan.
How did you make it so stable on hover? There's a video here on youtube claiming the XFY-1 Pogo (tailsitter) was unstable for having a high center of mass, even having a puller configuration! A pusher would throw the center of lift way under the center of mass causing it to topple over, right? Gyroscopic automatic corrections are enough to counter this?
The V-Bat has a computerized stabilization system on-board that uses gyros, accel's, etc. to move the vane servos and stabilize the vehicle. There is no inherent stability in the design while hovering, all the stability comes from the computer.
Also, the pusher configuration makes little difference to the stability level of the vehicle. To first order the thrust acts through the vehicle's CG and there is no "pendulum effect" with either engine installation.
Thanks.. I was just amazed because since I watched the other vid I though it would be completely impossible for a tailsitter to sit on it's prop because of unstability... The video showed a simulation of a Pogo crashing about 4 or 5 times before actually taking off... And about the same thing on attempted landings... Perhaps the simulated Pogo was not so well done... Thanks again...
This is great! To stabilise the altitude with a gyro you are letting the gyro taking the control of the throttle. How does the gyro recognise an altitude change since it is not turning around one of the axis?
This is a design developed by my company. It is a UAV that can operate from confined areas and still have duration/speed comparable to fixed wing aircraft that require runways or complicated recovery systems.
hi there iv been into model planes for some time now only with park flyers i have been trying to find something that hovers and flies forwards besides helicopters jst like your plane thing few questions did you build it how many channel? is it hard to fly i want one lol i have a 50lbs thrust jet turbine engine fun
Definitel the best VTOL video I've seen. I'm tired of all the V-22 wannabe's with no true forward thrust flight. Not sure what all the trouble is with forward transition.
what's it's powerplant, engine type? looks cool.
wikieditspam 3 months ago
Excellent
TebanBrinx 4 months ago
greate,
vasilesusan 5 months ago
Very stable! I like it...
VTOLKits 7 months ago
Very stable!
VTOLKits 7 months ago
Ok...Now who's going to make the flying vagina so that thing can refuel in mid-air?
jah2mail 9 months ago
I like it TOO! -RCSUPERHERO
borntafly 11 months ago
This video shows a UFO at minute 1:22 is amazing
rock6445 11 months ago
This is amazing!
Biogenesiss 1 year ago
I'm VERY impressed!
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
Not very useful for commercial or military operations as any wind would make it too unstable for landing.
pushinold 1 year ago
It's designed to tip over without breaking.
smorrismlbco 1 year ago 2
I dont suppose you have a plan? would l;ove to build one and show off at our airfields
mgrssmow 1 year ago
That is amazing! Sir, you have truly created an engineering masterpiece.
ctman6969 1 year ago
hey! very nice gyro stabiliziation system! even greater if the cg seems to be at the top of the propeller... are you using conterotating propellers for sure.. dont you? well that's obvious, nice job tough... tailsitter i´m into design also
makinamati 1 year ago
Hell, the sky is choka with chemtrails...
TamalKrsna 1 year ago
The pilots seat in the full size version would be interesting to say the least..( 90deg. gimbal?)
NigelLoller 1 year ago
Very neat job and works very well indeed...
brucepeter2007 1 year ago
Great job, the reason I came across this video in the first place is because I have an idea for the VTOL myself... Long story short, imagine putting the propeller on the nose of the craft (much more stable) and a revolving cot-pit between the wings. during liftoff the pilots would be aligned with the craft and while it turns in horizontal orientation the cot-pit would revolve also, keeping the pilots upright. Cot-pit like a pendulum preserves the orientation.
qgosic 1 year ago
Way too loud.
samsonthehero 1 year ago
wooooow this thing is huge!!!!!!! awesome job there!!!!
rcwilli1991 1 year ago
wow!
marktimmer2212 1 year ago
dont forget to trim the hedge too!
cjellwood 1 year ago
Video should have shown him actually bringing it back down to the ground with a safe landing.
Pulseczar1 1 year ago
Great. A nice rebirth of the Heinkel Lerche II conception. =)
semimortus 1 year ago
sounds like bigdog and the nasa puffin... do all cool things sound like this!? i think il set this as my ringtime >.<
monoham1 1 year ago
If it is not a secret...can you explain the design.I can't understand the vertical take-off and then horizontal flight.How the propeller overcomes the weight of the UAV to keep it vertical and then to fly horizontal.I have seen VTOL but the propeller is changed horizontal-vertical wich I can't see in your UAV.For me it would be possible if the propeller was on top...but i can't figure with the propeller down.If it is really a trade secret...I understand.Thank You.
igor
princeigorash 1 year ago
Igor,
The propeller is a pusher type and mounting on the top or bottom makes no difference. Th propeller makes thrust for hover and for high speed flight without any changes. The thrust in hover is much larger than high speed flight.
smorrismlbco 1 year ago
@smorrismlbco Ok . I understood the statement . It is just I cant figure it out : at the begining of the video when the UAV is "floating" in vertical position in order to keep it that way you must have it perfectly balanced - it is like a long stick you have on the tip of your finger.That stick will fall from vertical position unless you make movement so the base of the stick counteract the tip of the stick where it is falling.If that stick it is hold from the tip...the gravity is doing its work
princeigorash 1 year ago
There is a computer on the vehicle that provides stability. The dynamics are not the same as a stick balanced on a finger because the vehicle does not "pivot" about the thrust location. There is no such thing as "pendulum stability" for a flying vehicle if the thrust is fixed relative to the body. A computer provides all of the stability regardless.
smorrismlbco 1 year ago
@smorrismlbco So this is my question then . This computer how stabilizes the UAV in vertical? It does move the propeller or powertrian entirely like the thrust vectors in a direction other than parallel to the UAV longitudinal axis? Or how I have seen you have some small wings integarted in the hull of the propeller? Does those works as opposing forces in radial direction as the UAV stands vertical? Tanks you.
princeigorash 1 year ago
There are 8 movable control vanes inside the duct. They produce the roll, pitch, and yaw torques which control the vehicle.
smorrismlbco 1 year ago
Do you have some links of your progress or presentation?
princeigorash 1 year ago
The latest video is on my channel: "V-Bat 3.0 Transition Test Flight"
This version weighs 65 lbs and is powered by a 3-W 157cc engine. The endurance is 5 hours at 80 kts. I do not have presentation material on this design.
Thanks,
Steve
smorrismlbco 1 year ago
Thank you for your responce.How much weight does have your VTOL and whats the endurance?I am new in this field and really is very beautyfull.Can you direct me to some theoretical background to start with (books..videos...).You can PM me.Thank you once again.
princeigorash 1 year ago
IS it a ICE or electric powertain?
princeigorash 1 year ago
ICE 2-stroke air cooled. Motor is a 3-W 106.
smorrismlbco 1 year ago
удобно наверно газоны косить)
aligarhmogul 1 year ago
Hi wow great footage im wanting to design and make an rc flying saucer what is vtol and can turn any direction im just learning about stabiliy could you tell me what i need to make it lift by using one central prop how does yours work ? does it have like a counter rotating weight/gyro? or counter rotating blades ? and would it vtol without the long body or do you need that for stability ? i would be very gratefull for any info/diagrams
BREN2009 2 years ago
VTOL= vertical take off and landing
whitebloodsyo 2 years ago
cool flight,heh i think you could give some unsuspecting people a UFO scare with that thing :DDDDD tks for posting
jonnyasprin 2 years ago
Congratulations
! I will try this project for the practice of aeromolismo, and could send the project?
XeremAero 2 years ago
A Great piece of engineering! Did the controller build that?! Looks like a 1st draft prototype for the air force lol
RobbieChopSticks 2 years ago
Great flight. Looks pretty stable,too.
Congrats.
bluemensch 2 years ago
imagine one of them equipped with anti-tank and helifire missiles,
you could decleare war on ya neighbour
Galacticmaster 2 years ago
You must be American
moparsucks 2 years ago
no, im english
im just pointing out that if kids can buy the original version, then im sure they can kit it out quite well.
Galacticmaster 2 years ago
Fantastic.
tardoproto 2 years ago
Drop some bombs!!!:)))))))
Yaaroslav 2 years ago
hello steve have a look at my design too, i am looking forward to have such design built up. we can talk on details. i would need your guidance
vickysarin24 2 years ago
OMFG NO WAY!
I HAD THIS SAME DESIGN PLANNED ON PAPER TO BUILD OVER THE SUMMEERRRR
I WANTED TO BUILD SOMETHING ORIGNALL NOOOO
anyway, that flys a lot better than i thought it would, with the wing being so far back on the body.
I assume thats because the relative weight of the engine.... my design had a canard on the nose :/
Have you thought of scaling it up for passengers yet?
The fan would probably be ridiculously huge.
I was designing mine to be a UAV, you could look into that...
stevebean1234 2 years ago
The design in the video is a UAV.
We have a scaled -up design on paper that can carry 300 lb payload (1 passenger) 300 miles at 150 mph. The vehicle is not very big (15 ft span, 950 lb weight) and has an 8 ft diameter fan.
Thanks,
Steve
smorrismlbco 2 years ago
Does your autopilot in the UAV handle the transition from level flight to hover on its own? or will manual controls have to be taken for the hover?
yellowbikemike 2 years ago
The final product will be fully autonomous in all flight modes. Most of the control laws are now finished.
smorrismlbco 2 years ago
likes than heinkel lerche 3 B-2
sdrfgvrfgvsfravgdsvS 2 years ago
how much weight do u think this can support?
CeAzAr7 2 years ago
The design can be scaled-up to carry passengers. This version can lift 5 lbs of payload.
smorrismlbco 2 years ago
too much noise... otherwise excellent!
femtophysiker 3 years ago
it's quieter than normal UAV's
fireflybuzzbuzz 2 years ago
CG is on the 25% chord of the wing.
Steve
smorrismlbco 3 years ago
That is brilliant :D
So where is the CG for normal flight? I'm guessing it would have to be near the wings right?
carlosthecactus 3 years ago
How did you make it so stable on hover? There's a video here on youtube claiming the XFY-1 Pogo (tailsitter) was unstable for having a high center of mass, even having a puller configuration! A pusher would throw the center of lift way under the center of mass causing it to topple over, right? Gyroscopic automatic corrections are enough to counter this?
srbrunoaf 3 years ago
The V-Bat has a computerized stabilization system on-board that uses gyros, accel's, etc. to move the vane servos and stabilize the vehicle. There is no inherent stability in the design while hovering, all the stability comes from the computer.
Also, the pusher configuration makes little difference to the stability level of the vehicle. To first order the thrust acts through the vehicle's CG and there is no "pendulum effect" with either engine installation.
smorrismlbco 3 years ago
Thanks.. I was just amazed because since I watched the other vid I though it would be completely impossible for a tailsitter to sit on it's prop because of unstability... The video showed a simulation of a Pogo crashing about 4 or 5 times before actually taking off... And about the same thing on attempted landings... Perhaps the simulated Pogo was not so well done... Thanks again...
srbrunoaf 3 years ago
What did you use as an interface for this (if you dont mind answering...)?
stevebean1234 2 years ago
anything JR or Futaba makes for giant scale would work great!
johnathenbates 3 years ago
if it wasn't so loud you could sneak up at people and decapitate them :p
Retroken3 3 years ago
very cool!
i have questions, and hope someone could really helps me
- what's the most suitable and really low cost type of gyro,accelerometer which can be use for an UAV which have weight about 40kg?
-other than gyro and accelerometer, what type of mechanisme that i could possibly use make my UAV stable when VTOL?
-any sensor that can sense the unstability when VTOL and what actuator should i use for the 40kg UAV?
bownett 3 years ago
diarrhea, diarrhea, diarrhea, diarrhea. liquid feces.
ZorackSwim420 3 years ago
This is great! To stabilise the altitude with a gyro you are letting the gyro taking the control of the throttle. How does the gyro recognise an altitude change since it is not turning around one of the axis?
Free07Style 3 years ago
Did you make it or where did you get it?
youngsinfo 3 years ago
This is a design developed by my company. It is a UAV that can operate from confined areas and still have duration/speed comparable to fixed wing aircraft that require runways or complicated recovery systems.
smorrismlbco 3 years ago
turn that fan into a jet, this would be great for a vtol fighter
ZorackSwim420 3 years ago
lol
sdrfgvrfgvsfravgdsvS 3 years ago
u can make it look like a ghost ''white clothes...'' and scare the shit out of ppl =P
acidmatar 3 years ago
Well very well... I have a similar platform. ... but for a projecto of a system antitorque different...
Looks my videos and thinks...
fgarzon8 3 years ago
hi look mine video is a good proyect
fgarzon8 3 years ago
3:08 sounds like a weedeater to me /:P
bjuricek23 3 years ago
0:38 verv cool!
TrenchWW1 3 years ago
excellentt. well done. very inspiring
oellinass 3 years ago
lawn mower?
maex87 3 years ago
How do you find people small enough to fly these things ?
fergawdsache 3 years ago 25
Yea not bad pilots either whoever they are. I wonder who trains the little guys?
drummerboy197 3 years ago 5
lmao
horizonflyer9 3 years ago
great stuff.youre on to something.think theres a possibility for a personnal freewing VTOL?
tomterahedrob 3 years ago
really sweet platform,,You do very good work...
thecracken9 3 years ago
Wow, that's very creative. Great video.
dreamerosity 3 years ago
come on! soon well fly.. low flight!! loke the alvatross,,,, overseaa... over tundra,, over desert,,, besside the higway...SIlENTTLY... keeep it up!!
makinamati 3 years ago
seems pretty stable!! during hover ,,, but the 1st transition seemed very agressive,, to horizontal... does it have a swashplate??
do you use it for the 1st transition???
2nd transition is not legible #visible#..! mmm ive got ideas------------------<--------,
well done so far!! :) mmmm just the noise,,, !! ll see wavw cancellin
makinamati 3 years ago
ahhhhhhhh its thrust vector control
waltibaba 3 years ago
dude if you made that quieter and put weird lights on it you could totally fuck with people
chaz84720 4 years ago
OMG
snupers 4 years ago 2
hi there iv been into model planes for some time now only with park flyers i have been trying to find something that hovers and flies forwards besides helicopters jst like your plane thing few questions did you build it how many channel? is it hard to fly i want one lol i have a 50lbs thrust jet turbine engine fun
BREN2009 4 years ago
if these things start to "watch" us, couldn't you imagine wolfblitzer on CNN saying
"UAV's working in new york, two more people seriosuly injuredy after three uav's failed to keep stability and fell into a large crowd injuring two."
"TOnight's top story, are UAV's partolling new york safe enough?
oreo4president 4 years ago
Its too loud go electric or go home.
treestamp 4 years ago
Good engineering and flying, but it looks like a dick with wings on it. Did Ace and Gary design it?
jedrinck 4 years ago
Nice craft, can you make a seamless / non edited video? :)
josephwareham 4 years ago
Definitel the best VTOL video I've seen. I'm tired of all the V-22 wannabe's with no true forward thrust flight. Not sure what all the trouble is with forward transition.
elimicnova 4 years ago
That is quite impressive, but I hate UAV's it's just a matter of time before some idiot runs one of those things into a manned aircraft!
Obelix6 4 years ago
Soon we'll have those things flying around and keeping an 'eye' on us.. Like in Half-Life 2
weeruz 4 years ago
i was thinking that too..lol...hl2 is awesome though
oreo4president 4 years ago
Yeah. HL2 pwns! :P
weeruz 4 years ago
Awesome!
phoenix7777777 4 years ago
Really nice work. Well done, looks nice too!
JandOlive 5 years ago