If I kept you locked up in a house with only week-old soup to eat and made you walk 6 miles to get food for the week and 6 miles back and kept you in such extreme poverty, despair, and neglect, that the only way out of it all was to commit suicide, you would rightly lock me up and sentence me to the harshest possible punishment.
But if the Government do it, on a vast scale, mind you, it is perfectly reasonable, - unremarkable, even?
It is EXACTLY the same thing, but on a vast scale.
I never met these two lovely people, but I cried tears when I saw their story.
This video should be shared everywhere on the internet, Facebook, Twitter, blogs, everywhere, so people can see how ordinary, sick and poor people are living in the UK, literally Dying under the sanction of a Government who designed this, knowing full well the likely outcome, which is tantamount to intent to kill.
They also delivered the means of death, the oppressive measures resulting in stress and suicide.
Open Question to all those involved in passing the decisions which led to these and other tragedies, the mechanism of which is ongoing right now by your leave, in the UK, today:
Those two people are dead now. Nothing will ever bring them back. They are valuable. Why did you drive them to despair?
If you’re not helping people like that, what are you FOR? You were elected to serve, not to oppress.
There was a 0.5% fraud rate in Disablity Living Allowance and you kill for that?
I met these people when I worked with Anesis. They were the most caring and considerate couple vastly let down by the system. May God watch over them... for He is their carer now. Rest in peace Helen and Mark..... two beautiful people.
Wake up - we're unemployable or sick or disabled and very much on the outside and vulnerable but they'll come for you one day if people stand up for us. We need your help. please.
@telemetry9 Thanks for your comment. Yes this is not an isolated case and the reason it has caused such a stir is the fact that this video was produced. We have a number of heart breaking stories like Helen and Marks and now it is in the public domain maybe it will initiate some change. The cause of death is still unknown and the facts will come out in time. We as anesis are out on the streets trying to make a difference, hopefully you are as well
Its upsetting to see him almost at times - smiling, even though we know now the suffering he encounterd. I used to live In Coventry, so I know the distance from Bedworth. Bless them both, walking that distance. They are actually inspirational. Fuck the system.
How terribly sad, whatever the politics, these were two people who cared for each other and struggled and struggled to survive. That they did not in the end, for whatever reason is the saddest thing of all.
The 'system' can be blamed, but more importantly the people who ensured they actually had some food and showed that there are people in this world who genuinely care should be praised for the service they provide, and if we, in any way can help this we should do so. I for one will .
"The denial of social benefits and assistance to the Mullins and thousands of people in similar situations is not the result of bureaucratic oversight, but a systematic policy to drive millions of people off benefits under conditions of already escalating levels of unemployment nationally"
@Mancheguache Thanks for your comments. Yes I can't argue with your statements. What worries me with this is that it is only going to get worse. So the question then arises what are we going to do? I can tell you that anesis are currently dealing with about a hundred families on the streets of Coventry. When I say on the streets I mean that is where we deal with them. Most still have a roof over their heads but not enough to feed themselves as in the case of Helen and Mark. Frightening times
@rickster561 You people are truly fantastic doing the hard (and I guess sometimes depressing) work - I assume it's you who organizes the soup kitchen? What is to be done?, indeed - if things are going to change I'm afraid you'll have to keep on keeping on doing what you're doing. Hopefully, though, these occupy movements are a signal that things are going to change more significantly and in our favour soon. Roll our sleeves up and nil desperandum. Frightening times but inspiring ones.
@Mancheguache Well I got involved from a photography/video perspective to put together presentations and educational material about the work we do. Also to challenge peoples, including mine, perception of homelessness etc. They are not all drink and drug dependent people that end up in this situation. It can happen to you or me. If we are going to sit and wait for the authorities to sort this out we are going to be in for a long wait. So we as a community (anesis) have made a start.
This is heartbreakingly sad but, alas, deep seatedly political. If people die sky-diving or in car race accidents or playing sport - then that's near enough apolitical. But if people die of despair and in abject poverty - then like it or not, it's a political phenomena and can legitmately be discussed in that way. Indeed, it is a political act (a reactionary political act) to try to describe things like this as non-political. The system killed them...
@SnoopyChicken Thanks for your comment. It is a failing in politics but it is also a failing in society that we do not do anything to help. How many times have you seen someone on the street in trouble and just walked by? Where were her family? Why didn't the neighbours get involved? and on it goes. I agree with the fact that the benefits system needs to be adjusted to prevent people like Helen slipping through the net. URGENTLY
This is a tragic story, whatever way you look at it.
I couldn't possibly give it a thumbs up, rickster561, and the so called reactions in the drop down box are equally unsuitable for this piece.
I'm in the UK and I found out about it via links on a New Zealand news site. The BBC here haven't bothered to cover it, except on a local level, and they should be ashamed.
@KentishKelt Thank you for you comment and I agree thumbs up is probably an inappropriate response. The BBC are looking into doing a program about the plight of the homeless here in Coventry I was informed last night. Channel 4 news and local BBC TV news covered the story as did a number of national and local Newspapers.Channel 4 news gave a very unbiased and in-depth cover of the story so it did get out there. There has been a call for a public inquiry by Mencap and the Armed forces.
How very, very sad. These deaths, and others like them, should be laid at the door of the policy makers in Downing Street who have lived such privileged lives that they are completely out of touch with those of ordinary people.
To the OP, I would just like to say that from watching the video, I imagine their suicide was not from "reasons unknown" but a direct response to what must have felt like, to them, an untenable situation to be in.
@jayarte2002 Thank you for your comment. As there was no suicide note, we will never really know what was going through Mark and Helens heads at the time. What made then want to end it? However, having known and worked with them all be it for a short while, your assumption is probably the nearest to the truth that we will get. We are still waiting for a toxicology report which will at least gives us what was used. A sad indictment on British society and the people that run it. i.e Government
With all the benefit cheats in this country taking Money from our system, (why not send them on the next boat back to where they came from) that cannot be returned because of Human Rights, Disgusting! Our own people like Helen and Mark have been made to live like they did, What about their Human Rights, they were not given any. RIP my heart goes out to the family left to grieve.
@1946normajean "benefit cheats" as you class people trying to make ends meet on very little are not all from other countries to "send back". The DWP have this to say on the issue: 'No-one can just come into the UK and start claiming benefits'. "We have strict rules in place to protect the system from any abuse. For instance, to claim an income-related benefit, a person from the EU will have to pass the Habitual Residence Test alongside all of our other eligibility criteria. RIP Helen and Mark.
I feel terrible sorry for this two persons. I am from Argentina now living in US, I visited London and I found an unique place in the world! so cultural so organized. I know what an economical disaster is and its consequences. People die in the shadows and seems that nobody knows how to bring them back. I think we all adult have some sort of guilty for this situation. May god receive Mark and Helen's soul and find the peace and dignity they deserve
All of this arguing is completely pointless. Put down the keyboard and do something active about it. It doesn't matter who's to blame. What matters is that something along the line is messed up and needs to be sorted.
@blacflag Yes I am aware of the situation. What I meant by the above statement is that after the inquest something is put in place to stop this happening again. We live in hope :)
We have the money to give to IMF. We have the money to bail out the bankers. Isnt it time we looked after the sick and disabled, not everybody is a scrounger and many people have worked for many years before becoming ill. I don't know how the millionaires and many politicians can sleep in their beds at night, where is your conscious?
Totally wrong. How in this day and age could people be made to walk 6 miles to get food when so much money is being wasted by the country on absolute sh**? The welfare system is flawed and unjust.
My heart goes out to people like them and especially her 12 year old daughter.
@midianholic Hmmmmm not aware I had made cheap political digs. Anesis who these videos were produced for are a non political organisation. The remarks concern the system that let this couple down so badly. If you consider that a political dig then I suppose that is how you see it. However, the statement deals with the fact that the present government have a Big Society policy/idea but DO NOT provide the service to back it up. That unfortunately in this case is the fact.
@coolbritannia1979 Once again, Anesis are not a political motivated organisation. It is the system that is at fault and that my friend is down to ALL political parties and a sad reflection on all of us as a nation that allowed this to happen.
@coolbritannia1979 And things would be better under the previous government. Current govt policy is a direct continuation of the previous govt policy.
@midianholic the whole issue is political though. OP may have taken a dig at Cameron, but What Helen and Mark Mullin's say is enough to justify a sense of bitterness at the system and the Government running it. How is that in any way cheap?
@midianholic talk rubbish, this is only one sad example, i know of another couple dozen deaths related to cuts policy in the last year, Tories have relentlessly lied and vilified the poor and unemployed since scraping power together....their policies kill
@blacflag Any asshole can come onto the internet and make things up. I am no fan of the Tories. I have never voted for them. They are no better than Labour on this issue.
@midianholic is that right, that the best you can do, insult? i can back up every word i ever say, for your information, i've been emailing all tory mps details of these deaths since last summer, it's a fact.....it doesn't let you post link here or i'd point you direct to sources...........and this isn't even the worse of Tory policies, blatantly lying about numerous things..........
@blacflag Politicians lie. What a surprise. I suppose you feel nostalgic for Labour.
Quite frankly I do no tbelieve your claims about further deaths related to cuts policy. As I said, anyone can make anything up to try to back up their position.
@midianholic i don't like your attitude, but hate to see folks living in ignorance, just emailed you a list of 20 other cuts related deaths, there was another just yesterday.....and not that it's any of your business but i can't stand Labour either, support no party, but the decade of civilian killing war they gave us was a bit much, 10,000s of dead, maimed & orphaned children thanks to uk government policy, suppose that's not happening either, hmm?
Meanwhile nobody has been charged with any crime in the city despite committing fraud on a massive scale for years and causing this "economic downturn" while the rest of us suffer. We bailed them out and we have to shoulder the burden. I hate this country.
@mrcuddles100 Given the banks were regulated by the FSA, created by the govt and the banks did not force people to borrow money they could not afford why is it just the banks to blame ? We have not given masses of money to the banks, we have stood as guarantor for them. Our debts and deficit are due to Labour's reckless spending.
Despite this being sad this is hardly "Big Society" fault. The country was always going down this route WELL before Cameron game in. Labour has always moved more to a right wing policy shift allowing banks to feely pass on debt that has resulted in the issues we face today. These two are a small percentage of the bigger problem. How would you "save" the country? Cause its a far bigger problem then just targeting a political leader.... too many people need a scapegoat, do something about it!
@agented Well I beg to differ. I do not blame this government or the last bunch of idiots for the mess we are in it is a global crisis brought about by a number of issues. However, Anesis the charity that this video was made for ARE doing something, we are picking up what drops through the net. The problem then arises that they are unable to move away from this situation because there are NO services available, and that my friend is down to this government
@agented "too many people need a scapegoat" that will be the Tories you refer to there, they've scapegoated everyone possible in the last year, poor, unemployed, sick, immigrants, gypsies, public sector, unions.......coincidentally all the same things the nazis attacked when they got power, and economy was all with them as well...
@blacflag No. I got someone else to think of it for me. Idiot. Of course the Nazi's did not do the exact same thing. This govt, and the one before it, is trying to reform the benefits system.
@midianholic clueless, i have a history degree that says different, when the nazis came to power, the economy was all, coming out of the depression & post ww1 sanctions, hitler went about reviving it the same ways these are, attack unions, unemployed, sick and other undesirables they didn't think were pulling their weight, this is a historic fact.....and tories were ardent admirers of hitler even in the 30s, another fact.....why reform the benefits system when we're a decade into a war.....
@blacflag Your so-called history degree says nothing of the sort. It is, if it exists, a paper qualification. You are simply trying to assert knowledge based on a mythical qualification. Quite frankly if you did study it, and I personally doubt it, then you could have studied any aspect of history.
The Tories, as a party, were far from ardent admirers of Hitler. It looks like you are confusing some people with a political movement. It would be like me claiming the Labour Party were
@midianholic ha, clown, google "Fascism and the Establishment
Britain: For King and Country" for a start, like most people, clueless, even Churchill himself is on record in the 30s saying "If Britain ever fell on bad times he hoped a man like Hitler would be there..." ............you can also find me at twitter, plenty of links posted there..... twitter/blacflag
@midianholic why is stopping a war that's cost trillions worldwide, killed 100,000s of innocent people along the way, not more important that benefits? hmm? less than a billion a year is lost to fraud in benefit payments, when some estimate up to £70billion a year is lost to tax fraud why's that not more important, hmm? HMtaxes also let corporations of with billions in tax, why's that not more important, hmm? why give IMF billions if there's no money, plenty money for war in Libya, will i go on
@blacflag "some estimate up to" is a meaningless statement. Money "lost" to tax avoidance is always cited yet tax avoidance is perfectly legal. Have an ISA, then you practise tax avoidance. I won't give HMRC a free ride for the shameful deals they do.
Still, you are a fucking idiot without a clue and with a made up degree. now run off and try to google some more stuff that might help you.
@midianholic HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wait Wait...........ahh sigh HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, whatever, you are clueless.......noticed you avoided a response about cost of war, and what about £850B+ given to Banks, billions of which went on Bonuses, and they've done nothing useful since, not think that's a bigger problem than alleged 'benefit fraud'......
@blacflag I do like a fuck, yes, can't deny it. I also read The Guardian which is a fact and not made up like your degree. Fave columnists. I like Julian Glover, Sir Michael White, Andrew Rawnsley, Anne Perkins and Catherine Bennett. Cannot stand Toynbee and love following up her posts on CIF.
@midianholic well, how come you are not aware of other similar deaths, they have reported on some? i just sent you links to another 20 examples of deaths like this one, where's your response to that?
@blacflag It is one thing to post or write about someone dying it is another to conclusively prove it is down to cuts and the current government. People took their own lives prior to May 2010. If I choose to respond to a personal mail I will respond personally not on a public forum. The Guardian reports on plenty of things.
A perfect example of why i don't bother usually commenting on yt videos ----> @midianholic i take the time to message him links to loads of other cases like this, and he replies with abuse....
@midianholic i'm starting to feel sorry for you, reading comments on your profile you obviously enjoy trolling people, but i think you picked the wrong place to do it this time, people are dying, you shouldn't be getting kicks out of it....
@blacflag I never get kicks out of people dying. I find it very sad. You are the one who seems to revel in the deaths of these two as you are using it for political purposes. Very sad.
@midianholic i know i'm wasting my time on this one, but it's politics that led to these deaths, of course addressing those politics is necessary.....i'm not coming back to this
@blacflag No it is not politics that lead to this. It is political opportunism on your behalf to try to link these deaths to the government. I appreciate you are no longer lying about me sending you an abusive comment. The list you sent me was not conclusive, just your spin. I hope this couple RIP, I hope people learn from this and claim their entitlement.
Incredibly powerful video in the context of what happened. Very moving. Thank you rickster561 for posting. I'll circulate it as widely as possible. Everybody should watch this
@ILEGALTEAM Thanks for your post. This video is just one of many that I have made for the Anesis Street Ministry. Although myself not having any religious persuasion or belief I do believe in the work that Anesis is doing so have been helping out when I can. Mark did not have a happy life although when you were with him he was always pleasant and friendly.
Since this made the local newspaper and BBC local news radio/TV West Midlands another similar case has come to light. If this makes the national press how many more will we see?
time we elected people that understand this is the limit no words could discribe im ashamed of this government selfishness and their greed ,these people died for what a government of greed the shame should haunt them forever ...so sorry for the the two people xx r.i.p.
This is becpming normal now all over UK. N still silly GOV sends money it doesn't have for its own ppl overseas to fund India's space prog. N they wonder why folks are p*-d off with em
Breaks my heart.What does the judgemental wealthy scrooges know of the lives of these two people, battling against their prejudicial policies honed towards people without means.My contempt for likes of Tories like PhillipHammond & his lucrative tax-avoiding schemes,hypocritical LibDems who bleat on about fairness but support multimillionaires making lives of our most vulnerable harder and colder with callous hypocrisy worthy of some of some of history's coldest characters.
@joycehain Yes I think that about sums it up. We live in desperate times with a government that don't have the will or guts to sort this out and the last lot that put us here. What worries me as a concerned citizen is how many more Helen and Marks are we going to have to bury before that bunch of dimwits in government get off the fat backsides and do something? I am angry very very angry
Heartbreaking story made even worse by the death of Helen and Mark. Just posted the video on the Coventry Against The Cuts website. The austerity cuts are wrong because people like Mark and Helen become the victims. This millionaire government haven't got a clue what it is like to live in the real world because they are too busy lining the pockets of the rich.
@robmacca Thanks for your comments. Camerons big society is a joke. If you help them to get a foot on the ladder they then get kicked off again. Anesis the charity I have been doing all these videos for get so many people like Helen and Mark coming to the soup kitchen every week. It's a national disgrace and as a nation we should be ashamed of ourselves. I don't know at the moment if I am more upset or just plain angry. Mark was a really nice guy and no way did he deserve to end like this.
If I kept you locked up in a house with only week-old soup to eat and made you walk 6 miles to get food for the week and 6 miles back and kept you in such extreme poverty, despair, and neglect, that the only way out of it all was to commit suicide, you would rightly lock me up and sentence me to the harshest possible punishment.
But if the Government do it, on a vast scale, mind you, it is perfectly reasonable, - unremarkable, even?
It is EXACTLY the same thing, but on a vast scale.
signingupiseasyd 1 month ago
I never met these two lovely people, but I cried tears when I saw their story.
This video should be shared everywhere on the internet, Facebook, Twitter, blogs, everywhere, so people can see how ordinary, sick and poor people are living in the UK, literally Dying under the sanction of a Government who designed this, knowing full well the likely outcome, which is tantamount to intent to kill.
They also delivered the means of death, the oppressive measures resulting in stress and suicide.
signingupiseasyd 1 month ago
Open Question to all those involved in passing the decisions which led to these and other tragedies, the mechanism of which is ongoing right now by your leave, in the UK, today:
Those two people are dead now. Nothing will ever bring them back. They are valuable. Why did you drive them to despair?
If you’re not helping people like that, what are you FOR? You were elected to serve, not to oppress.
There was a 0.5% fraud rate in Disablity Living Allowance and you kill for that?
signingupiseasyd 1 month ago
I met these people when I worked with Anesis. They were the most caring and considerate couple vastly let down by the system. May God watch over them... for He is their carer now. Rest in peace Helen and Mark..... two beautiful people.
vwuk92 3 months ago 2
From what I know there was a man in Edinburgh and a young woman in yorkshire going through the work capability assessment who chose death.
The media don't seem interested There are many more cases we don't know about.
Bankers matter. Money matters. Shareholders matter. Politicians matter. Celelbrities matter.
Wake up - we're unemployable or sick or disabled and very much on the outside and vulnerable but they'll come for you one day if people stand up for us. We need your help. please.
telemetry9 3 months ago 4
@telemetry9 Thanks for your comment. Yes this is not an isolated case and the reason it has caused such a stir is the fact that this video was produced. We have a number of heart breaking stories like Helen and Marks and now it is in the public domain maybe it will initiate some change. The cause of death is still unknown and the facts will come out in time. We as anesis are out on the streets trying to make a difference, hopefully you are as well
rickster561 3 months ago
Its upsetting to see him almost at times - smiling, even though we know now the suffering he encounterd. I used to live In Coventry, so I know the distance from Bedworth. Bless them both, walking that distance. They are actually inspirational. Fuck the system.
jdrepiv 3 months ago
Cheers for putting this up mate, it's been doing the rounds on Facebook, I'll paste it myself to spread some awareness. Thanks dude.
CosmicOzric 3 months ago
How terribly sad, whatever the politics, these were two people who cared for each other and struggled and struggled to survive. That they did not in the end, for whatever reason is the saddest thing of all.
The 'system' can be blamed, but more importantly the people who ensured they actually had some food and showed that there are people in this world who genuinely care should be praised for the service they provide, and if we, in any way can help this we should do so. I for one will .
sue15cat 3 months ago 3
@sue15cat Thank you for your comment it is appreciated :)
rickster561 3 months ago
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sue15cat 3 months ago
"The denial of social benefits and assistance to the Mullins and thousands of people in similar situations is not the result of bureaucratic oversight, but a systematic policy to drive millions of people off benefits under conditions of already escalating levels of unemployment nationally"
Mancheguache 3 months ago
@Mancheguache Thanks for your comments. Yes I can't argue with your statements. What worries me with this is that it is only going to get worse. So the question then arises what are we going to do? I can tell you that anesis are currently dealing with about a hundred families on the streets of Coventry. When I say on the streets I mean that is where we deal with them. Most still have a roof over their heads but not enough to feed themselves as in the case of Helen and Mark. Frightening times
rickster561 3 months ago
@rickster561 You people are truly fantastic doing the hard (and I guess sometimes depressing) work - I assume it's you who organizes the soup kitchen? What is to be done?, indeed - if things are going to change I'm afraid you'll have to keep on keeping on doing what you're doing. Hopefully, though, these occupy movements are a signal that things are going to change more significantly and in our favour soon. Roll our sleeves up and nil desperandum. Frightening times but inspiring ones.
Mancheguache 3 months ago
@Mancheguache Well I got involved from a photography/video perspective to put together presentations and educational material about the work we do. Also to challenge peoples, including mine, perception of homelessness etc. They are not all drink and drug dependent people that end up in this situation. It can happen to you or me. If we are going to sit and wait for the authorities to sort this out we are going to be in for a long wait. So we as a community (anesis) have made a start.
rickster561 3 months ago
This is heartbreakingly sad but, alas, deep seatedly political. If people die sky-diving or in car race accidents or playing sport - then that's near enough apolitical. But if people die of despair and in abject poverty - then like it or not, it's a political phenomena and can legitmately be discussed in that way. Indeed, it is a political act (a reactionary political act) to try to describe things like this as non-political. The system killed them...
Mancheguache 3 months ago
Of course this is a failing of politics. To claim otherwise is to stick your fingers in your ears shouting "lalalala".
Clearly if this can happen the benefits system needs to be adjusted to prevent people like Helen slipping through the net.
SnoopyChicken 3 months ago
@SnoopyChicken Thanks for your comment. It is a failing in politics but it is also a failing in society that we do not do anything to help. How many times have you seen someone on the street in trouble and just walked by? Where were her family? Why didn't the neighbours get involved? and on it goes. I agree with the fact that the benefits system needs to be adjusted to prevent people like Helen slipping through the net. URGENTLY
rickster561 3 months ago
This is a tragic story, whatever way you look at it.
I couldn't possibly give it a thumbs up, rickster561, and the so called reactions in the drop down box are equally unsuitable for this piece.
I'm in the UK and I found out about it via links on a New Zealand news site. The BBC here haven't bothered to cover it, except on a local level, and they should be ashamed.
Sadly, thank you for uploading it.
KentishKelt 3 months ago
@KentishKelt Thank you for you comment and I agree thumbs up is probably an inappropriate response. The BBC are looking into doing a program about the plight of the homeless here in Coventry I was informed last night. Channel 4 news and local BBC TV news covered the story as did a number of national and local Newspapers.Channel 4 news gave a very unbiased and in-depth cover of the story so it did get out there. There has been a call for a public inquiry by Mencap and the Armed forces.
rickster561 3 months ago
How very, very sad. These deaths, and others like them, should be laid at the door of the policy makers in Downing Street who have lived such privileged lives that they are completely out of touch with those of ordinary people.
To the OP, I would just like to say that from watching the video, I imagine their suicide was not from "reasons unknown" but a direct response to what must have felt like, to them, an untenable situation to be in.
jayarte2002 3 months ago
@jayarte2002 Thank you for your comment. As there was no suicide note, we will never really know what was going through Mark and Helens heads at the time. What made then want to end it? However, having known and worked with them all be it for a short while, your assumption is probably the nearest to the truth that we will get. We are still waiting for a toxicology report which will at least gives us what was used. A sad indictment on British society and the people that run it. i.e Government
rickster561 3 months ago
With all the benefit cheats in this country taking Money from our system, (why not send them on the next boat back to where they came from) that cannot be returned because of Human Rights, Disgusting! Our own people like Helen and Mark have been made to live like they did, What about their Human Rights, they were not given any. RIP my heart goes out to the family left to grieve.
1946normajean 3 months ago
@1946normajean "benefit cheats" as you class people trying to make ends meet on very little are not all from other countries to "send back". The DWP have this to say on the issue: 'No-one can just come into the UK and start claiming benefits'. "We have strict rules in place to protect the system from any abuse. For instance, to claim an income-related benefit, a person from the EU will have to pass the Habitual Residence Test alongside all of our other eligibility criteria. RIP Helen and Mark.
TheEphos 3 months ago
I feel terrible sorry for this two persons. I am from Argentina now living in US, I visited London and I found an unique place in the world! so cultural so organized. I know what an economical disaster is and its consequences. People die in the shadows and seems that nobody knows how to bring them back. I think we all adult have some sort of guilty for this situation. May god receive Mark and Helen's soul and find the peace and dignity they deserve
josedro 3 months ago
@josedro Thank you for your comment. Yes hopefully they have found peace now that they did not get while alive
rickster561 3 months ago
All of this arguing is completely pointless. Put down the keyboard and do something active about it. It doesn't matter who's to blame. What matters is that something along the line is messed up and needs to be sorted.
pml91 3 months ago 2
@pml91 Correct. There is now to be an inquest so hopefully this will not happen again :)
rickster561 3 months ago
@rickster561 'not happen again', i can give you links right now to at least 20 other examples of deaths like this due to cuts in the last year...
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag Yes I am aware of the situation. What I meant by the above statement is that after the inquest something is put in place to stop this happening again. We live in hope :)
rickster561 3 months ago
@rickster561 yeah, every mp is aware of this and those other cases as well, just not interested so far, typical tories, money above lives...
blacflag 3 months ago
We have the money to give to IMF. We have the money to bail out the bankers. Isnt it time we looked after the sick and disabled, not everybody is a scrounger and many people have worked for many years before becoming ill. I don't know how the millionaires and many politicians can sleep in their beds at night, where is your conscious?
Annken
desnann 3 months ago 2
Fucking disgraceful. Ashamed to be british.
smirr1001 3 months ago 2
Totally wrong. How in this day and age could people be made to walk 6 miles to get food when so much money is being wasted by the country on absolute sh**? The welfare system is flawed and unjust.
My heart goes out to people like them and especially her 12 year old daughter.
RIP
oldschoolboy1 3 months ago 11
How sad the OP chose to use the sad death of these people to make cheap political digs.
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic Hmmmmm not aware I had made cheap political digs. Anesis who these videos were produced for are a non political organisation. The remarks concern the system that let this couple down so badly. If you consider that a political dig then I suppose that is how you see it. However, the statement deals with the fact that the present government have a Big Society policy/idea but DO NOT provide the service to back it up. That unfortunately in this case is the fact.
rickster561 3 months ago 2
@midianholic how sad that you turn a blind eye to the absolutely fucking obvious truth that the tories do no give 2 fucks about people like this.
coolbritannia1979 3 months ago
@coolbritannia1979 Once again, Anesis are not a political motivated organisation. It is the system that is at fault and that my friend is down to ALL political parties and a sad reflection on all of us as a nation that allowed this to happen.
rickster561 3 months ago
@coolbritannia1979 And things would be better under the previous government. Current govt policy is a direct continuation of the previous govt policy.
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic the whole issue is political though. OP may have taken a dig at Cameron, but What Helen and Mark Mullin's say is enough to justify a sense of bitterness at the system and the Government running it. How is that in any way cheap?
nemof 3 months ago
@nemof According to sane press reports (not the Daily Heil) the couple did not claim all they could. How is that the governments fault ?
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic talk rubbish, this is only one sad example, i know of another couple dozen deaths related to cuts policy in the last year, Tories have relentlessly lied and vilified the poor and unemployed since scraping power together....their policies kill
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag Any asshole can come onto the internet and make things up. I am no fan of the Tories. I have never voted for them. They are no better than Labour on this issue.
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic is that right, that the best you can do, insult? i can back up every word i ever say, for your information, i've been emailing all tory mps details of these deaths since last summer, it's a fact.....it doesn't let you post link here or i'd point you direct to sources...........and this isn't even the worse of Tory policies, blatantly lying about numerous things..........
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag Politicians lie. What a surprise. I suppose you feel nostalgic for Labour.
Quite frankly I do no tbelieve your claims about further deaths related to cuts policy. As I said, anyone can make anything up to try to back up their position.
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic i don't like your attitude, but hate to see folks living in ignorance, just emailed you a list of 20 other cuts related deaths, there was another just yesterday.....and not that it's any of your business but i can't stand Labour either, support no party, but the decade of civilian killing war they gave us was a bit much, 10,000s of dead, maimed & orphaned children thanks to uk government policy, suppose that's not happening either, hmm?
blacflag 3 months ago
@midianholic
It is not a "cheap political dig" to try to make people aware of reality.
jayarte2002 3 months ago
@jayarte2002 But the only reality is these people took their lives. Anything else is spin.
midianholic 3 months ago
Thanks for posting .
bodgerd 3 months ago 2
Meanwhile nobody has been charged with any crime in the city despite committing fraud on a massive scale for years and causing this "economic downturn" while the rest of us suffer. We bailed them out and we have to shoulder the burden. I hate this country.
mrcuddles100 3 months ago
@mrcuddles100 Given the banks were regulated by the FSA, created by the govt and the banks did not force people to borrow money they could not afford why is it just the banks to blame ? We have not given masses of money to the banks, we have stood as guarantor for them. Our debts and deficit are due to Labour's reckless spending.
midianholic 3 months ago
Despite this being sad this is hardly "Big Society" fault. The country was always going down this route WELL before Cameron game in. Labour has always moved more to a right wing policy shift allowing banks to feely pass on debt that has resulted in the issues we face today. These two are a small percentage of the bigger problem. How would you "save" the country? Cause its a far bigger problem then just targeting a political leader.... too many people need a scapegoat, do something about it!
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agented 3 months ago
@agented Well I beg to differ. I do not blame this government or the last bunch of idiots for the mess we are in it is a global crisis brought about by a number of issues. However, Anesis the charity that this video was made for ARE doing something, we are picking up what drops through the net. The problem then arises that they are unable to move away from this situation because there are NO services available, and that my friend is down to this government
rickster561 3 months ago
@agented "too many people need a scapegoat" that will be the Tories you refer to there, they've scapegoated everyone possible in the last year, poor, unemployed, sick, immigrants, gypsies, public sector, unions.......coincidentally all the same things the nazis attacked when they got power, and economy was all with them as well...
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag Nazi's FFS. Definate Godwins there.
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic think of that all by yourself? are you saying they didn't do the exact same things?
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag No. I got someone else to think of it for me. Idiot. Of course the Nazi's did not do the exact same thing. This govt, and the one before it, is trying to reform the benefits system.
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic clueless, i have a history degree that says different, when the nazis came to power, the economy was all, coming out of the depression & post ww1 sanctions, hitler went about reviving it the same ways these are, attack unions, unemployed, sick and other undesirables they didn't think were pulling their weight, this is a historic fact.....and tories were ardent admirers of hitler even in the 30s, another fact.....why reform the benefits system when we're a decade into a war.....
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag Your so-called history degree says nothing of the sort. It is, if it exists, a paper qualification. You are simply trying to assert knowledge based on a mythical qualification. Quite frankly if you did study it, and I personally doubt it, then you could have studied any aspect of history.
The Tories, as a party, were far from ardent admirers of Hitler. It looks like you are confusing some people with a political movement. It would be like me claiming the Labour Party were
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic ardent admirers of Stalin or Pol Pot when the truth is some in the party were.
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic ha, clown, google "Fascism and the Establishment
Britain: For King and Country" for a start, like most people, clueless, even Churchill himself is on record in the 30s saying "If Britain ever fell on bad times he hoped a man like Hitler would be there..." ............you can also find me at twitter, plenty of links posted there..... twitter/blacflag
blacflag 3 months ago
@midianholic why is stopping a war that's cost trillions worldwide, killed 100,000s of innocent people along the way, not more important that benefits? hmm? less than a billion a year is lost to fraud in benefit payments, when some estimate up to £70billion a year is lost to tax fraud why's that not more important, hmm? HMtaxes also let corporations of with billions in tax, why's that not more important, hmm? why give IMF billions if there's no money, plenty money for war in Libya, will i go on
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag "some estimate up to" is a meaningless statement. Money "lost" to tax avoidance is always cited yet tax avoidance is perfectly legal. Have an ISA, then you practise tax avoidance. I won't give HMRC a free ride for the shameful deals they do.
Still, you are a fucking idiot without a clue and with a made up degree. now run off and try to google some more stuff that might help you.
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wait Wait...........ahh sigh HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, whatever, you are clueless.......noticed you avoided a response about cost of war, and what about £850B+ given to Banks, billions of which went on Bonuses, and they've done nothing useful since, not think that's a bigger problem than alleged 'benefit fraud'......
blacflag 3 months ago
@midianholic or do you want to get back to the comfortable hatred of your daily mail?
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag I read The Guardian.
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic like fuck you do
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag I do like a fuck, yes, can't deny it. I also read The Guardian which is a fact and not made up like your degree. Fave columnists. I like Julian Glover, Sir Michael White, Andrew Rawnsley, Anne Perkins and Catherine Bennett. Cannot stand Toynbee and love following up her posts on CIF.
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic well, how come you are not aware of other similar deaths, they have reported on some? i just sent you links to another 20 examples of deaths like this one, where's your response to that?
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag It is one thing to post or write about someone dying it is another to conclusively prove it is down to cuts and the current government. People took their own lives prior to May 2010. If I choose to respond to a personal mail I will respond personally not on a public forum. The Guardian reports on plenty of things.
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic BLOCKED
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag Heat and kitchens leap to mind.
midianholic 3 months ago
A perfect example of why i don't bother usually commenting on yt videos ----> @midianholic i take the time to message him links to loads of other cases like this, and he replies with abuse....
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag I have not sent you anything. Do not lie. I looked at your YT channel page and that is all. That is hardly abuse.
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic pathetic, i screen grabbed it, can't post links here, or i would, so others are aware....
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag A blatant lie.
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic oi43.tinypic.com(slash)ixha4x.jpg
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag Photoshop is your friend. That did not come from me.
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic i'm starting to feel sorry for you, reading comments on your profile you obviously enjoy trolling people, but i think you picked the wrong place to do it this time, people are dying, you shouldn't be getting kicks out of it....
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag I never get kicks out of people dying. I find it very sad. You are the one who seems to revel in the deaths of these two as you are using it for political purposes. Very sad.
midianholic 3 months ago
@midianholic i know i'm wasting my time on this one, but it's politics that led to these deaths, of course addressing those politics is necessary.....i'm not coming back to this
blacflag 3 months ago
@blacflag No it is not politics that lead to this. It is political opportunism on your behalf to try to link these deaths to the government. I appreciate you are no longer lying about me sending you an abusive comment. The list you sent me was not conclusive, just your spin. I hope this couple RIP, I hope people learn from this and claim their entitlement.
midianholic 3 months ago
i wish it was unbelievable. so sad. where are the rich and ashamed immediately responding?
channnel6tv 3 months ago
Incredibly powerful video in the context of what happened. Very moving. Thank you rickster561 for posting. I'll circulate it as widely as possible. Everybody should watch this
ILEGALTEAM 3 months ago 2
@ILEGALTEAM Thanks for your post. This video is just one of many that I have made for the Anesis Street Ministry. Although myself not having any religious persuasion or belief I do believe in the work that Anesis is doing so have been helping out when I can. Mark did not have a happy life although when you were with him he was always pleasant and friendly.
rickster561 3 months ago
too sad.
Das0s 3 months ago
Since this made the local newspaper and BBC local news radio/TV West Midlands another similar case has come to light. If this makes the national press how many more will we see?
rickster561 3 months ago
waiting for the gov to'do something' is not the answer,the same system that got us into this mess CANNOT get us out of it. OCCUPY.
cthefreeman 3 months ago
time we elected people that understand this is the limit no words could discribe im ashamed of this government selfishness and their greed ,these people died for what a government of greed the shame should haunt them forever ...so sorry for the the two people xx r.i.p.
53dennis58 3 months ago
This is becpming normal now all over UK. N still silly GOV sends money it doesn't have for its own ppl overseas to fund India's space prog. N they wonder why folks are p*-d off with em
linphil57 3 months ago
Breaks my heart.What does the judgemental wealthy scrooges know of the lives of these two people, battling against their prejudicial policies honed towards people without means.My contempt for likes of Tories like PhillipHammond & his lucrative tax-avoiding schemes,hypocritical LibDems who bleat on about fairness but support multimillionaires making lives of our most vulnerable harder and colder with callous hypocrisy worthy of some of some of history's coldest characters.
joycehain 3 months ago 6
@joycehain Yes I think that about sums it up. We live in desperate times with a government that don't have the will or guts to sort this out and the last lot that put us here. What worries me as a concerned citizen is how many more Helen and Marks are we going to have to bury before that bunch of dimwits in government get off the fat backsides and do something? I am angry very very angry
rickster561 3 months ago
:(:(:(
modelmotion 3 months ago
Heartbreaking story made even worse by the death of Helen and Mark. Just posted the video on the Coventry Against The Cuts website. The austerity cuts are wrong because people like Mark and Helen become the victims. This millionaire government haven't got a clue what it is like to live in the real world because they are too busy lining the pockets of the rich.
robmacca 3 months ago 2
@robmacca Thanks for your comments. Camerons big society is a joke. If you help them to get a foot on the ladder they then get kicked off again. Anesis the charity I have been doing all these videos for get so many people like Helen and Mark coming to the soup kitchen every week. It's a national disgrace and as a nation we should be ashamed of ourselves. I don't know at the moment if I am more upset or just plain angry. Mark was a really nice guy and no way did he deserve to end like this.
rickster561 3 months ago
I remember watching this. poor souls..may they find peace now but how horrible that it had to come to this.
jenniferashley99 3 months ago
@jenniferashley99 yes on this we agree. Very very sad
rickster561 3 months ago
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jenniferashley99 3 months ago
Indeed TheSeagull2009 thanks for your thoughts :)
rickster561 3 months ago
God bless them both always xxxxx
TheSeagull2009 3 months ago