Netanyahu is more immersed in the American political process, in the culture wars, and in the Republican primary than any foreign leader in recent modern history, and he's doing so because he wants regime change in two countries, the first country is Iran, the second country is the United States. He wants to replace Barack Obama with a Republican. One has to say that with the current crop of Republican hopefuls, this is a real worry.
Syrian troops launched a ground attack in Homs on Wednesday in an apparent attempt to overrun the rebel-held Baba Amro neighbourhood that has endured 25 days of siege and fierce bombardment,.......The army is trying to go in with infantry from the direction of al-Bassel football field and fierce confrontations with automatic rifles and heavy machineguns are taking place there, This is just like Gaza but with less "prejustification" and more blunt force. Assad should have consulted Israel first
When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou. And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them" Who wrote this?
"And it shall be, when the LORD thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not, And houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have eaten and be full" = Israeli justification for ethnic cleansing. Different victims (?) same perpetrators (?)
The Israeli Ofer Military Court sentenced on Sunday resident Waseem Maswada, from the southern West Bank city of Hebron, to twelve and a half years as he faced “attempted murder” charges for stabbing two settlers. After the stabbing, Waseem was attacked by several settlers, one of whom rammed him with his vehicle, and ran over him three times; the settler was sentenced to 3.5 months community service.....which gives a good sense of the relative values of Arabs and Jews in Israeli Justice
@outsidelight1 IN NEW YORK A MUSLIM PLATED A BOOM IN A CAR AND IS IN JAIL FOR A LONG TIME NOW BIG DEAL RIGHT... . ISRAEL DOSE HAVE CRIME YOU KNOW , LIKE ALL COUNTRIES YOU MORON
@figfagthis Good, so our would-be bomber is doing a long stretch in gaol. While in Israel you can try and kill an Arab and get community service. In fact, you can actually kill an Arab and get a few months while if you kill 9 activists on a boat in international waters your Prime Minister calls you heros! If you are responsible for the deaths of thousands....well you get to actually BE the Prime Minister.
@figfagthis I think I just came to the conclusion by reading your idot's offerings that an antiSemite is no longer someone who hates Jews..it is someone whom is hated by Jews so FagThisFistOneThruGomer...or whatever names you are using at the moment..chew on that for a bit and try and come up with a coherent train of thought.
@outsidelight1 or is that what the priest showed you to do, suck up suck down suck to the right sick to the left in the sign of the cross on the cock of Mohammed. Allah axfool
@outsidelight1 Look you Moron the Israel man is going to Jail , he received Justice , there are Christians and Jews being Killed in Muslim Countries and those who kill them receive praise and no jail time . and you are crying about one Israeli nut you are one fucked up scum bag.
@TipTacBoomoo7 No he received (and that is the correct word) community service, whatever that may be. One can be certain that it does not involve service to his Palestinian neighbours.
27 Feb -- Israeli soldiers Monday detained a Palestinian school student in an area near the Ibrahimi mosque in Hebron’s old city, according to local sources. Witnesses said Israeli soldiers assaulted eighth-grader Muhannad al-Bakri on his way to school, and ripped his bag before arresting and detaining him in a police station in Kiryat Arba settlement, near Hebron. Al-Bakri was later released after the International Red Cross intervened.
@outsidelight1 NOW THAT I KNOW YOU ARE A LOSER AND BELIEVE THE LOSER STORY , IT OBVIOUS YOU HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS TO LEARN THE TRUTH THAT MAY HURT YOUR MUSLIM FEELINGS .
@figfagthis As I told you...Catholic....and I can read a book and I can follow the chronology..."pre emptive strike" is the word. Problems with comprehending the meanings of words notwithstanding, that is a pretty simple word.
@outsidelight1 A PRE -EMPTIED STIKE IN SELF DEFENSE OF A FOR SEEN ATTACK OF OVER 300, 000 ARMED ARABS MOUNTING AT THE BORDERS. IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND THE INTELLIGENCE REPORTS PROVE IT THE INTENTIONS TO SLATER EVERY JEW IN ISRAEL WAS THE GOAL.
@figfagthis "PRE -EMPTIED TRIKE"? "INTENTIONS TO SLATER EVERY JEW"? Thank you for yet another illiterate offering. The word "pre emptive", simple though it is, is cleary not simple enough even for you. According to Menachem Begin (a terrorist himself) the war was a "war of choice" for Israel. Israel wanted the war and started it thus setting a precedent for future Israeli behaviour..
@figfagthis Menachem Begin: "We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him (Nasser)". In the months preceding the war Israel instructed its ambassador in America to "create a public atmosphere that will constitute pressure on the administration...this was a part of the pre-justification for the pre-emptive attack. While there was "tension" in the region..there was no proven"intention" to provoke full scale war by the Arabs...this was an Israeli imperative.
@figfagthis I know that "tension" and "intention" are frighteningly similar in sound to someone as thick as you..but they are different. According to Rabin:" Nasser didn't want war. The two divisions he sent to Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it." I would suggest that Rabin was someone who understood the meanings of words and that he chose his words with care to convey what he meant. "Nasser didn't want war" Simple!
@figfagthis When Begin defended the invasion of Lebanon in 82 he said:"In June 1967 we again had a coice. The Egyptian army concentrations in Sinai did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him." In 82 Israel was hoping to recreate the success of 67 and rebuild Israel's aura of invincibility. It failed miserably.Now we see the repeat performance over Iran's "nuclear ambitions". Israel is a recidivist war monger
@figfagthis Israel is a recidivist war monger...."I am a proud Israeli. I’ve lived through every war, endured every moment of suffering, but I never stopped believing in peace. I lost friends and family members. I’m a peacemaker, but the current Israeli government does not know how to make peace. We move from war to war, and this will never stop. I think Zionism has run its course" Ruth Dayan, the widow of Moshe Dayan, Oct. 2011
All of this raises a few questions: If Israel is occupying those territories today, who was occupying them until 1967? If the West Bank and Gaza belong to "Palestinians," why were they under the control of Jordan and Egypt until June 5, 1967? If Arab "Palestinians" just want their own state, why didn't they ask for it before 1967?
@TipTacBoomoo7 A simple answer for the stupid Gomer..Who was occupying these lands? People. You can't wish them away and imagine they were never there, Call them what you want: Palestinians, Arabs, Judeans, Natives whatever...they won't forget who they are because every time one of them has to go through an I"D"F check point, retrieve his sheep from a vindictive official or the suffer the abuse of a racist settler....he is reminded of exactly who he is ..disposessed
@TipTacBoomoo7 Legal and definitional calisthenics that attempt to rationalise the arrogant aquisitiveness of an introverted tribal philosophy will not change the facts..nor will you ever be able to do more than cut 'n paste someon else's vindictive scribbling. But at the end, the best you can do is resort to genocidal exhortations from an ancient book written in the Bronze Age purporting to be the word of a God you don't believe in. Just how stupid are you Gomer?
@outsidelight1 Winston Churchill, the grandson of the famed former British Prime Minister, notes that Egyptian soldiers who succeeded in making their way back to Egypt, never made it home and instead were kept in cantonments, “to prevent the spread of despondency among the civil population.”
@outsidelight1 Other Egyptian survivors were transferred to Egypt at Qantara and once on the Egyptian side of the Canal, were herded into compounds where they were surrounded by barbed wire.
@outsidelight1 "However, one group (of Egyptian stragglers), as they were in mid-stream, were mown down by their own forces on the far side of the Canal with machine-guns." It has been suggested that Nasser did not want Egypt to learn of the true extent of his defeat and thus ordered the killing of survivors who tried to escape.
@outsidelight1 Following the war little remained of Egypt’s seven divisions deployed in Sinai. Thousands of Egyptian soldiers became stragglers and tried desperately to make their way westward toward the Suez Canal zone. Israel did not have the capacity to take them all prisoner and where possible, facilitated their movement toward the Canal where they would attempt to swim across.
@TipTacBoomoo7 While all this is very interesting it doesn't add much to the difference of opinion regarding who started the Six Day War. This does:When Begin defended the invasion of Lebanon in 82 he said:"In June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in Sinai did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him." Begin knew this. He is establishing a precedent for pre-emption
What is needed is a thorough "de-Nazification" of Palestinian society not unlike what was imposed upon post WWII Nazi Germany. Unfortunately, this gut hatred of Jews and Israel has been inculcated into Arab societies so completely and far too long. This leaves Israel with only two choices. Victim or Victor.
@outsidelight1 Plainly put, their main goal today is not statehood, but genocide! Killing Jews actually makes them happy... so happy that they are even willing to detonate their own children in order to murder Jews! This irrational, street level barbarism would make Hitler's Storm Troopers seem like gentlemen!
@outsidelight1 The Arab Palestinians have reached a point where it has now become clear that their goal in this struggle is not the end of the so-called "occupation," but rather the organized, premeditated mass murder of Jews.
@outsidelight1 REGARDLESS OF MY SPELLING, REGARDLESS OF YOUR CONDESCENDING ATTITUDE, REGARDLESS OF MY SOURCE OF INFORMATION, THE ISSUE IS THAT I AM A WELL INFORMED , I HAS WORKED WITH ISRAELI AND ARAB MILITARY OFFICIALS AND BY FAR THE HATRED ARABS MUSLIMS HAVE FOR JEWS IS UNBELIEVABLE .
YET IN ISRAEL 9 OUT OF 10 MILITARY OFFICERS JUST WANT PEACE , AND TO BE RESPECTED AS A FREE NATION .
@TipTacBoomoo7 You are a well informed what? You don't say. Presumably you don't know. I am not condescending. I just don't have time for bigotry supported by a wilful misrepresentation of facts. I am not surprised many Arabs hate Israel. Look at the way Israel behaves. I have no doubt that 9 out of 10 Israeli officers want peace; they might achieve it if their leaders, who are hawks almost to a man, were more decent in their treatment of Palestinians.
@outsidelight1 IT A LYING CATHOLIC BOY LIKE YOU WHO IS THE BIGOT , WHO BELIEVES ISRAEL SHOULD SIT STILL AND DO NOTHING WHILE MISSALS COME FLYING IN, YET WHEN ISRAEL DOES KICK YOU CRY BABY ASS'S YOU PLAY THE VICTIM CARD TO THE WORLD.
THE WORLD IS SLOWLY SEEING YOUR PALESTINIAN GAME NOW
@TipTacBoomoo7 I have to say, you are not well informed. There is a source of tainted and biased information into which you dip for what you may feel to be appropriate, relevant or simply a distraction due to its volume and quantity...usually when you are short of answers. Your blind adherence to the biased view on Turkish WW2 neutrality even in the face of all evidence is an example; the question of 1967 pre-emption by Israel is another. You are a mouthpiece, nothing more.
Clearly, the so-called "occupation" of these territories came about as a result of Arab war-making on Israel. Israel merely defended itself well. Israel also proved it was willing to give these territories back to neighbors who would live in peace with the Jewish state, as demonstrated with the return of the Sinai to Egypt.
@TipTacBoomoo7 We have already established, Gomer, that Israel kicked off the Six Day War with pre-emptive strikes against Egypt. Clearly, Israel is an occupying power on the West Bank. This is obvious and cutting and pasting from masadadotcom...a site for Israeli mythologising aptly named after an Israeli myth. The dynamics behind returning Sinai are different to the dynamics of Palestinian emancipation. Egypt is big, important and potentially dangerous. Palestinians are weak.
@outsidelight1 The war began with a large-scale surprise air strike by Israel on Egypt and ended with a major victory by Israel. A number of controversies have arisen out of the causes and conduct of the war, namely: whether Israel's action was a preemptive strike justified by the threat of an imminent attack by the Arab states
@outsidelight1 The Six-Day War was fought between June 5 and June 10, 1967, by Israel and the neighboring states of Egypt [known then as the United Arab Republic (UAR)], Jordan, and Syria.
@outsidelight1 At 3:10 am, Rafael woke ambassador Hans Tabor, the Danish President of the Security Council for June, with the news that Egyptian forces had "moved against Israel" . and that Israel was responding to a "cowardly and treacherous" attack from Egypt…" At the Security Council meeting of June 5, both Israel and Egypt claimed to be repelling an invasion by the other, and "Israeli officials – Eban and Evron – swore that Egypt had fired first"
@TipTacBoomoo7 Eban has stuck to this lie ever since even though Isaraeli historians have long passed him by."The war began with a large-scale surprise air strike by Israel on Egypt and ended with a major victory by Israel" as you have cut 'n pasted. Eban wouldn't even admit this simple fact years after the event when we all already knew the truth...So Gomer, "Enough already!"
@outsidelight1 Official word was Both Egypt and Israel announced that they had been attacked by the other country. Gideon Rafael, the Israeli Ambassador to the UN, received a message from the Israeli foreign office: "inform immediately the President of the Sec. Co. that Israel is now engaged in repelling Egyptian land and air forces."
@outsidelight1 The Israeli view was that its initiation of the Six-Day War was a pre-emptive strike in the face of a planned invasion of Israel by the Arab countries.] A number of sources support this view
@TipTacBoomoo7 ...But not Begin. As he said (addressing a Pentagon meeting ).. Israel started it. So, all these distractions, interesting as they are, do not change, hide, obscure or contradict the fact that Israel started the Six Day War with pre-emptive strikes against Egypt. And as we know, Begin being an old terrorist himself, was never a shrinking violet when it came asserting Israel's right to intimidate, oppress and bully Isreal's neighbours.
@outsidelight1 On June 5, 1967, the Six-Day War began. Israel rolled up all of its enemies faster than anyone would have believed. It took control of East Jerusalem from Jordan. It took control of Judea and Samaria on the west bank of the Jordan River from Jordan. It took control of the Golan Heights from Syria. And it took control of the Gaza Strip and Sinai Desert from Egypt.
You can read these news reports for yourself thanks to the work of Sol Jacobs.
@TipTacBoomoo7 Yes. All very laudable and great material for staff colleges around the world. But as Begin said (addressing a Pentagon meeting ).. Israel started it. So, all these distractions, interesting as they are, do not change, hide, obscure or contradict the fact that Israel started the Six Day War with pre-emptive strikes against Egypt.
@outsidelight1 The endlessly repeated refrain about "occupied territories" is propaganda, since (a) the territories never belonged to Palestinian Arabs, (b) the Palestinian Authority was given control of the areas and (c) the only reason Israel continues to exert control is in reaction to Palestinian Arab violence.
@outsidelight1. The only internationally recognized agreements are those of the Oslo process which do not in any sentence prohibit settlements. At some points in time Israel has voluntarily agreed to a temporary halt to new settlements in anticipation of negotiating breakthroughs. But the repeated reversion to terrorism by the Palestinian Arabs has ended such restraint.
@TipTacBoomoo7 Don't be stupid Gomer...tough I know...the settlements are illegal. Even the US accepts this and the fact that settlements are an obstacle to peace.. Volluntarily agreeing to "halt" an illegal and confiscatory process is doing no favours to anyone at all...least of all the disposessed. We are not impressed.
The Fourth Geneva Convention does not apply to settlements even though you will often hear the claim that it does. Israel took over the land in a defensive war in 1967 from rulers (Jordan, Egypt) who themselves had recently acquired control of the land by aggressive war
@TipTacBoomoo7 "The Fourth Geneva Convention does not apply to settlements "..this is irrelevant. to the actual issue of settlements. This refers to the treatment of captive peoples, civilians in conflict zones and under military occupation...as Israel is in breach of these aspects on an almost daily basis this would explain why this convention gets mention. You wouldn't grasp this because you can only cut 'n paste, you do not read and comprehend.
@TipTacBoomoo7 Israel, using US diplomatic protection has resisted the application of the 4th Geneva Convention to the issue of settlements but this is a moot point since it clearly applies to the way in which Israel conducts pacification, security & punishment operations in Gaza the WB and Lebanon. However, the Geneva Convention met in July 1999 and in a short meeting concluded that settlements are covered by the 4th Geneva Convention which would seem to have been obvious really.
The official U.S. position has been over the years that settlements are legal. The Carter administration for a short time held that settlements were illegal, a position overturned by the Reagan administration.
@TipTacBoomoo7 No. This is simply not true. There have been obscure definitional excursions that tried to avoid the issue but no US administration has stated that the settlements were actually legal and even Regan (whom I liked)who was very pro Israel said that they were illadvised and provocative while the State Department said in 1981 "the establishment of the civilian settlements in those territories is inconsistent with international law. ..for the simple minded Gomer..illegal
@outsidelight1 The Israeli Government has voluntarily frozen the building of new settlements, dismantled some (very important) but recognizes the needs of existing settlements to meet the changing needs of their residents, such as the expansion of existing homes to accommodate growing families.
@TipTacBoomoo7 This is of no use to anyone...it like me saying to you that I will stop stealing from you for the time being but that I will probably start stealing from you again shortly. Isreal simply does not need settlements to meet the breeding requirements of radical religious zelots or poor Jews in Israel proper; this is a laughable statement for which I give due credit to Bibi the Bigot and your pals at Masada2000 who are clearly a few sandwiches short of a kosher picnic.
@outsidelight1 . The only prohibition in these agreements is that neither side take steps to change the status of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, such as unilateral declarations of statehood or annexation, prior to final status negotiations.
None of the signed agreements between Israel and the Palestinians restrict the building or expansion of settlements. Indeed, the issue of settlements is specifically noted as an issue that will only be discussed during final status negotiations, the final stage of the peace process
The last binding international legal instrument in the West Bank and Gaza was the League of Nations Mandate, which explicitly recognized the right of Jewish settlement in all territory allocated to the Jewish national home in the context of the British Mandate.
@outsidelight1 Israeli Settlements in the West Bank and Gaza are not illegal under any international law.
In 1948, when the British Government partitioned Israel, they offered the Jews certain land, and the Arabs certain land. The Arabs never agreed, and instead attacked Israel. Therefore, Israel is not violating any agreements.
@TipTacBoomoo7 The settlement programme is clearly the demonstration that Israel has no intention of negotiating in good faith with the Palestinians. Unfortunately for Isreal, the Palestinians will not simply go away and vanish..this is not a movie. You can not simply expell them since international media will catch you out..the Arab Spring is coming to Israel and the Israeli extremists must be shitting themselves..verbal gymnastics won't work any more; you can't hide
@outsidelight1 Accusing Israel of Starting the June 6, 1967 War
Resulting in the "Occupation" of 'West Bank," Gaza,
East Jerusalem, the Sinai Desert and the Golan Heights.
The Arabs say the Israelis grabbed this real estate in a war of aggression in 1967. In fact, Israel did not start that war. Israel did not want that war. Israel merely defended itself – very, very effectively – from coordinated attacks by Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Syria and Arafat's terrorists.
@figfagthis The facts are clear FagThisFistOneThruGomer and I have listed them...Israel decided to initiate a war be attacking Egypt and then the other Arab states. It won far mor that it bargained for. That was both an achievement and a curse. You could make peace with Egypt and Jordan but the occupation of the West Bank has corrupted you almost beyond redemption The same prejustification is now being employed against Iran. We are not stupid. Israel just wants the US to do the work
@figfagthis "More and more people outside of Israel are going to become aware that for 45 years Israel has been ruling a people who don't have basic political rights--like the right to due process (Fadi could in theory spend months in jail with no charges filed) or the right to vote for or against the government that ultimately controls their fate" Israel's corrupted situation is evident to everybody. Israel needs to save itself by freeing the Palestinians not attacking Iran
This is not opinion. This is fact. Here is what newspapers were reporting about the crisis before June 5, 1967 – before there was any alleged "Israeli occupation." Here' is the month-long timeline leading up to the Six-Day War:
On May 7, the New York Times reported Syria had shelled the Israeli village of Ein Gev.
On May 17, the New York Times reported that the Palestine Liberation Organization, headed by Arafat, pledged to "keep sending commandos" into Israel.
@figfagthis I love the way you use the word "alleged" to describe the Israeli occupation (your quote marks are in the wrong place by the way)...there is nothing "alleged" about it. Israel occupies the West Bank; it does not own it. Israel is an occupying power that is trying to gradually detatch the best and most productive parts for Israel's exclusive use and future ownership in order to ensure that any future Palestinian entity is subservient and dependent- a Bantustan in effect.
On May 21, the New York Times reported Egyptian soldiers were massing in the Sinai.
On May 22, the New York Times reported that the PLO would be stepping up its attacks in Israel, that Cairo was calling up 10,000 reserves and that Iraq would be sending aid to battle Israel.
On May 23, every newspaper in the world reported that Egypt took the provocative action of closing the Gulf of Aqaba to Israel.
On June 3, the New York Times reported that Britain declared the Egyptian blockade could lead to war. It also reported that four Syrian commandos were intercepted in Israel.
@figfagthis "PRE EMITTED LIE"! I love this one. You have savant's genius for linguistic invention. Unfortunately it subjects you to ridicule..we laugh at you not with you. Ungenerous I know but you deserve it..
27 Feb -- The Palestinian Civil Defense announced on Monday that ambulance teams and medic came under attack on Sunday evening by Israeli troops as they were evacuating civilians near Qalandiya checkpoint at the entrance of Ramallah city in central West Bank. According to the Civil Defense, Israeli troops fired tear gas at residents’ homes trapping families inside, soldiers then fired rubber-coated steel bullets at medics who arrived to evacuate residents.
Feb 2012: Israeli military authorities have issued an order for the confiscation of a northern West Bank village's land, local officials told Ma'an on Sunday.The military order confiscates 21.3 dunams of Qarawat Bani Hassan village in Salfit, citing security reasons. The village is bordered by three Israeli settlements. ....which presumably are not affected by security concerns
The "West Bank" territories from which Jordan attacked Israel in 1967, the Gaza Strip territory from which the Egyptian Army attacked Israel in 1967 and the Golan Heights from which Syria attack Israel in 1967 are today's so-called "Israeli occupied territories." Had these Arab nations not threatened to destroy Israel in June of 1967, there would be no Israeli "settlers" on these "occupied territories!"
@TipTacBOOM100 Well Gomer...you do know that I hate contradicting you when you are correct..fortunately this is never...so...Israel's first and most critical move was a surprise attack on the Egyptian Air Force. Egypt had by far the largest and the most modern of all the Arab air forces, consisting of about 420 combat aircraft, In the previous war Israel initiated a land assault. I suggest you check your chronology more carefully.
@TipTacBOOM100 Little 'ol Israel? Hardly..Israel has always had military superiority over its Arab adversaries. But remember Gomer..it isn't 1967 any more. Things have moved on. In the last few outings the I"D"F has been a miserable failure..they kill a lot of people (mostly non combatants) and destroy a lot of civilian infrastructure and suffer very few casualties..but they don't actually achieve anything...apart from making everybody hate Israel even more.
@TipTacBOOM100 Well FagThisGomer, we all know that Israel won the war..we all know that Israel did it with a pre-emptive strike..that's why Israel is sitting on the West Bank slowly slicing it up and that's why Israel is making Gaze a prison...because they can. The can because the won the 1967 war with a pre-emptive strike...a circular discussion I know but apparantly required for the intellectually limited folks out there...like you.
@TipTacBOOM100 You are a twat...superior pilots very possibly...but not so superior that the Egyptian pilots did not know how to get their aircraft up in the air....they were caught on the ground which clearly demonstrated unpreparedness, surprise and a pre-emptive attack. Why do you even bother with these feeble rationalisations? By the way..a "plaine" is a large flat piece of land...a "plane" flies... words matter...it's why you can't comprehend things like simple narative.
@outsidelight1 Having Shit for brains and an Al Qada education is very fitting to your failure to see the universal truth that all the free world people see . Claiming that the 1967 war was started by Israel is as stupid as it comes
@figfagthis The words "pre-emptive strike" are used to describe Israel's commencement of operations in 1967...Israel talks about Arab rhetoric and provocations..but Hitler said the same over Poland...however, since it is clear that you need to have the obvious pointed out..the prefix "pre" denotes action ahead of something...that's why the Egyptian airforce was destroyed on the ground- as the US airforce was destroyed on the ground in Hawaii by the Japanese
@figfagthis After a period of high tension between Israel and its neighbors, the war began on June 5 with Israel launching surprise air strikes against Arab forces. The outcome was a swift and decisive Israeli victory. Israel took effective control of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria. Circumstantial eveidence alone, apart from chronology, says the Israel kicked this one off.
@TipTacBOOM100 Israel's first and most critical move was a surprise attack on the Egyptian Air Force... Benny Morris..Israeli Historian...Why waste your time with bollocks? This is just like your Turkish "support" for, "alliance" with Germany in WW2...you couldn't work that piece of crap and you can't work this one either.
@TipTacBOOM100 Israel has denied over 14,000 Arab residents of occupied East Jerusalem the right to live in their city of birth, It also demolished 3,300 Palestinian-owned homes in the city. The NAD report monitored Israeli unilateral measures in E. Jerusalem since its occupation in 1967. Israel withdrew right to live in the city from 14,000 Palestinians, around 50% of them from 2006 and 2008. The Israeli action affected more than 20% of Palestinian families in East Jerusalem.
@TipTacBOOM100 A Jewish settler Monday opened fire at Palestinian farmers and their livestock in Khirbet Janba, south of the West Bank city of Hebron, after failed attempts to steal their sheep, Members of the "Society for the Protection of Nature in Israel" (SPNI) arrived at the scene and seized several sheep and told their owners they must pay for them if they wanted them back, he added. The everyday life of administrative dictat and petty harrassment suffered by Arabs
@TipTacBOOM100 Meanwhile, Israeli authorities also imposed almost $2000 on a Palestinian farmer from Khirbet Janba under the pretext that he was herding the sheep in an Israeli army-control area. ....all of this is just petty minded, spitefull and bigoted.
The so-called "Israeli settlements" in the Judea and Samaria (a.k.a. the "West Bank") and Gaza have been blamed for all the Arab-Israeli ["Palestinian"-Israeli] conflict when, in Truth, these settlements were the result of a war brought to Israel BY these very same Arabs!
In fact, the Jewish refugees were more a victim population since they were driven out by persecution. Those Jews were not involved in a war against the Arab populations in any of those 22 countries!
While Israelis (formerly, the Jewish "Palestinians") were fighting their 1948-9 defensive War of Independence against five invading Arab armies, nearly 900,000 Jews were murdered or driven out (ethnically cleansed) from many of the surrounding 22 Arab countries. These Jews were as much victims of aggression as the Arab "Palestinians" in 1948-9 and again in 1967.
@TipTacBoomoo7 Never mind the fact that Jewish extremists precipitated the war in 47/48.......we wouldn't want to consider inconvenient facts like that no would we Gomer?
What happened to the ancient Jewish communities of Algeria, Egypt, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Syria, Tunisia and Yemen? They all had their land and possessions taken from them and were driven out (or killed) by their Arab/Muslim/Islamic hosts... a case of REAL "ethnic cleansing!"
@TipTacBoomoo7 "REAL" ethnic cleansing? A opposed to "UNREAL" ethnic cleansing I suppose. Although I am sure that this is a distinction that would have escaped the 3/4 of a million Palestinian Arabs who were "invited" to leave their homes at the point of a gun in 47/48. It's nice to see youi back after your rest Gomer but it hasn't improved the quality of your input.
And what about Jewish education or religion in the Arab Emirates, Syria, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Somalia, Sudan, Bahrain or any of the other Arab/Muslim/Islamic countries? Not to worry. There are no Jewish education or Jewish religious freedom to worship issues because Jews dare not even visit, let alone live there.
Jews in Jordan do not enjoy the same rights or facilities because Jordan also has no Jews. Their ethnic cleansing policies do not permit Jews to defile the purity of their Arab country. These same policies are standard fare in all Arab/Muslim/Islamic countries. These same 1.4 BILLION voices who daily cry out for "rights of self-determination" for the poo' poo' Arab "Palestinians" deny this same "right of self-determination" for the five million Jews of tiny Israel.
@TipTacBoomoo7 A nice piece of sophistry Gomer.....Po' po' Israel claims its right to democratic freedoms but does by rigging the demographics through erthnic cleansing and admistrative dictat.
@TipTacBoomoo7 Since the establishment of the State, the population of Israel has increased almost tenfold, mainly due to the immigration of Jews from round the world. the main division of the country’s inhabitants into Jews (80%) and Arabs (20%), since its establishment, some 2.7 million Jews have immigrated to Israel from some 130 countries.
@TipTacBoomoo7Between the years 1948 – 1951, Israel absorbed some 700,000 immigrants, with its population doubling as a consequence. These immigrants more or less replaced the 3/4 of a million Arabs ethnically cleansed during Israel's 1st phase of expansion.
@TipTacBoomoo7 In the mid-1950s, some 170,000 immigrants arrived in Israel from North Africa and Romania. This wave seems to coincide with the Suez crisis which began the process of immigratuion from Arab and North African countries. Not surprisingly Jews were looked at with some suspicion during this period.
@TipTacBoomoo7 In the early 1960s, some 180,000 immigrants arrived from North Africa. In the 1990s some 900,000 immigrants arrived from the former USSR and some 60,000 immigrants from Ethiopia, all of whom were absorbed in Israel although Ethiopians continue to experience discrimination to this day This immigration of Jews is despatately "needed" by Israel to counter the natural growth of the Israeli Arab population.
@outsidelight1 West Bank settlements [more properly called "Jewish communities of Judea-Samaria"] account for 2% of the land of the West Bank. In 35 years of rule, the Israelis have put 2% of the territory under the ownership of settlements. If we project that trend forward, it would take 1,750 years for the settlers to control all of the West Bank. Yet we are told this is the crux of the problem.
@TipTacBoomoo7 I think you forgot the 4 that comes before the 2...42% of land controlled by settlers..a typical piece of kosher taqiya there Gomer....Jewish settlers, who claim a divine right to the whole of Israel, now control more than 42 per cent of the occupied West Bank, representing a powerful obstacle to the creation of a Palestinian state, a new report has revealed...not to mention prioritised access to water resources
@outsidelight1 To call the Israeli presence in THEIR OWN ancient homeland an "occupation," is ridiculous. An occupation of what? There was never an Arab "Palestinian" nation or people there before. There are no "Palestinians." They are a made-up people for the sole purpose of political propaganda!
@TipTacBoomoo7 I don't know why you bother with this stupid argument Gomer because nobody but the idiots or fellow travellers is buying it. You can call the people whatever you want..Palestinians, Judeans, Arabs, locals but most appropriately of all we can call them disposessed and homeless after the ethnic cleansing carried out by Israelis.
@TipTacBoomoo7 I don't know why you bother with this stupid argument Gomer because nobody but the idiots or fellow travellers is buying it. You can call the people whatever you want..Palestinians, Judeans, Arabs, locals but most appropriately of all we can call them disposessed and homeless after the ethnic cleansing carried out by Israelis.
@TipTacBoomoo7 "THEIR OWN ancient homeland"...Gomer...this is a Biblical Myth..I thought you were an athieist..You are now claiming the right of possession based on a book written in the bronze age, that we know is historically inaccurate and simply wrong in many places, that is supposedly the word of a God you don't believe in.I know that the Bible condones the theft by Israelites of someone else's land but is this applicable in 2012??????
@outsidelight1 On the eve of the war, Egypt massed approximately 100,000 of its 160,000 troops in the Sinai, including all of its seven divisions (four infantry, two armored and one mechanized), four independent infantry brigades and four independent armored brigades. No fewer than a third of them were veterans of Egypt's intervention into the Yemen Civil War and another third were reservists. These forces had 950 tanks, 1,100 APCs and more than 1,000 artillery pieces.
@figfagthis "HAY (hey) YOU GIRLS ARE TO (too) SLOW AND ISRAEL'S INTELLIGENCE WAS SUPERIOR TO YOUR PLANED (planned) INVASION OF ISRAEL ..illiterate in expression and devoid od fact... pre-planned (such an ugly word)..pre-emptive is better.
@outsidelight1 Nasser's ambivalence about his goals and objectives was reflected in his orders to the military. The general staff changed the operational plan four times in May 1967, each change requiring the redeployment of troops, with the inevitable toll on both men and vehicles.
@outsidelight1 Towards the end of May, Nasser finally forbade the general staff from proceeding with the Qahir ("Victory") plan, which called for a light infantry screen in the forward fortifications with the bulk of the forces held back to conduct a massive counterattack against the main Israeli advance when identified, and ordered a forward defense of the Sinai.[
@outsidelight1 In the meantime, he continued to take actions intended to increase the level of mobilization of Egypt, Syria and Jordan, in order to bring pressure on Israel.
@outsidelight1 SO YOU REAL THINK ISRAEL IS GOING TO SIT THERE AND WAIT FOR THE ATTACK ON IT'S PEOPLE. HELL NO ... YOU ARE NOT ONLY A RETARD YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON
@figfagthis I am so glad that you are now agreeing that Israel attacked first. You had no choice since the facts are a little difficult to avoid........ but if you are going to conduct pre-emptive strikes you had better get it right. 1967 is long gone and the I"D"F is not what it was. They Americans won't be as easy..they might not want to attack Iran..AIPAC is working hard and Bibi is whining very loudly but Obama might not cooperate.
@outsidelight1 NOW ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ISRAEL = Syria's army had a total strength of 75,000 and amassed them along the Syrian border. Jordan's army had 55,000 troops and 300 tanks along the Jordanian border, 250 of which were U.S. M48 Patton, sizable amounts of M113 APCs, a new battalion of mechanized infantry, and a paratrooper battalion trained in the new U.S.-built school. They also had 12 battalions of artillery and six batteries of 81 mm and 120 mm mortars
@outsidelight1 Documents captured by the Israelis from various Jordanian command posts record orders from the end of May for the Hashemite Brigade to capture Ramot Burj Bir Mai'in in a night raid, codenamed "Operation Khaled". The aim was to establish a bridgehead together with positions in Latrun for an armored capture of Lod and Ramle. The "go" codeword was Sa'ek and end was Nasser.
@outsidelight1 The Jordanians planned for the capture of Motza and Sha'alvim in the strategic Jerusalem Corridor. Motza was tasked to Infantry Brigade 27 camped near Ma'ale Adummim: "The reserve brigade will commence a nighttime infiltration onto Motza, will destroy it to the foundation, and won't leave a remnant or refugee from among its 800 residents".
100 Iraqi tanks and an infantry division were readied near the Jordanian border. Two squadrons of fighter-aircraft, Hawker Hunters and MiG 21, were rebased adjacent to the Jordanian border.
On June 2, Jordan called up all reserve officers, and the West Bank commander met with community leaders in Ramallah to request assistance and cooperation for his troops during the war, assuring them that "in three days we'll be in Tel-Aviv".
The Arab air forces were aided by volunteer pilots from the Pakistan Air Force acting in independent capacity, and by some aircraft from Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia to make up for the massive losses suffered on the first day of the war.
@outsidelight1 They have no separate culture, language, or country of their own; even their leader -- Arafat -- is EGYPTIAN!! He later moved to Jerusalem. If anything, Arafat is an "illegal occupier" and "illegal settler!"
@TipTacBoomoo7 You just spotted this? Spot this then....the vast majority of Israelis in 1949 came from elsewhere..really elswhere...like a different continent. At least Arafat's parents were Palestinians..and .he was living in Jerusalem in 1937. Why do you expose your ignorance by talking crap..I suppose that is a part of being...well...stupid.
@outsidelight1 REGARDLESS WHERE THE JEWS CAME FROM THEY WHERE PERSECUTED IN ALL MUSLIM COUNTRIES AND FLED WEST TO EUROPE. THE ONE'S THAT REMAINED KEPT THE DOOR OPEN FOR A RETURN
@outsidelight1 Have you ever heard of the expression, "To the Victor Goes the Spoils of War?" This would seem especially justified when the victor was attacked! Incredibly, "Israeli aggression" and "Israeli occupation" is what the Arab world now claims is the reason why there is no peace!
@TipTacBOOM100 Make your mind up Gomer...you can't decide whether Israel is the victim of an unending cycle of oppression based on weakness or the stong, able and just army of truth, highly trained and sophisticated, fighting the armies of primitiveness. You can't be both. Fact: Israel is the aggressive element in this.; even Israel's founding fathers aknowledge this. You fluctuate between whining and bellicosity...it isn't pretty and it's pathetically transparent.
@outsidelight1 Moreover, Israel did not “occupy” these territories, as the Palestinians and others would have you believe. The Kingdom of Jordan illegally "occupied" Judea-Samaria from 1948-67 following the first Arab war upon Israel. In the 1967 Six-Day War, Arab armies massed on Israel’s narrow borders, vowing to destroy the Jewish state.
@TipTacBoomoo7 Why do you waste your time wearing out your finger tip out typing this rubbish. Fact: Israel expelled the majority population to make way for Jewish incomers. The founders of Zionism predicted and planned it. The founders of Israel acknowledge it and (Jewish) historians have recorded it. Performing these "intellectual" gymnastics just demonstrates how thick you are. Call them whatever you like; disposessed and unlucky would be correct.
@outsidelight1 In a war of self-defense, Israel succeeded in overcoming its enemies and, in the process, "liberated" Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Under international law, territories are considered “occupied” only when they are taken in an act of aggression... something which clearly does not apply to Israel since the 1967 war was a defensive war.
@TipTacBoomoo7 Well you'll just have to excuse me because the last time I looked the 1967 War was started by.........well....Israel...in a "surprise attack"...which allowed Israel to destroy Arab air and land forces before the start..........a kind of Pearl Harbour.
@TipTacBoomoo7 It was 37 years ago that Israel prevailed in the 1967 war, returning to places such as Hebron, Jericho and Shilo. For two thousand uninterrupted years, Jews had lived in the ancient Jewish quarter of Hebron, near the Tomb of the Patriarchs where Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are buried. Only in 1929, when local Arabs massacred them, was the Jewish community forced to flee the city. What could be more historically just than to rebuild the Jewish presence there?
@TipTacBoomoo7 One must also recall that prior to the beginning of the Jewish return and reclamation of their ancient homeland in the 1880s, there were BOTH Arab "Palestinians" and Jewish "Palestinians" living there. Neither group had a particularly significant numbers after centuries during which the land was ignore and neglected. Once the Jews began their Zionist movement to reclaim, beautify and resettle the land, Arabs from surrounding Arab areas also began returning.
@TipTacBoomoo7 Unlike the early Jewish settlers who were willing to live in peace and share land, the incoming Arabs were bent on sharing nothing! The Arab motto then is exactly what it is now 120 years later... "we will shed every last drop of blood for every last grain of [what THEY consider] Arab land!"
@TipTacBoomoo7 Indeed...they have a life inside Israel as 2nd class citizens and as non Jews in a Jewish state.... a state defined as a "Jewish" state...this would be like America defining itself as a "white" state as many people in the late 1800s and early 1900s wanted to do..these supremacist and eugenics organisations inspired Hitler and, ironically, Zionism's colonialist and ethnic cleansing ethos
FACT; They vote in Israel's elections and even have Israeli-Arab Knesset members. Free democratic elections such as this cannot even be imagined in any one of the 22 countries of the Arab League nor in any of the forty-four Muslim nations throughout Africa and Asia.
@TipTacBoomoo7 Let's be honest here Gomer shal we? Israel doesn't want democratic Arab states around it..it wants dictators who are easier to deal with. That's why Bibi is absolutely shitting himself over the Arab Spring -who knows what it'll throw up- and that's why he is screaming about Iran and trying to pump up America to bomb Iran for him. Israel needs big dangerous enemies to justify its racial purity/ ethnic cleansing directives.
@TipTacBoomoo7 "Democricy"..it's a dilemma for Bibi both at home and abroad. At home it can only be permitted by maintaining the Jewish numerical advantage through the emasculation of Palestinian society with ethnic cleansing and land theft and gerrymandering. Abroad however..that's tough. What will a democratic Egypt produce?? Since Israel alienated the Turks, Syria is a worry. Iraq is crumbling and can Bibi rely on the Iraqi Kurds. What to do what to do?
FACT PIG LADIN remain an Antisemitic Because you only point to fact that have been proven lies making you the proven useful idiot i always knew you are .
@TipTacBoomoo7 A proposed constitution written by the Israeli Arab advocacy center, Adalah, states that Arab Knesset members will be able to bring about the disqualification of bills that impinge on the rights of Arabs, and classifies the State of Israel as a "bilingual and multicultural" country rather than a Jewish state Instead of dealing with the issue of who is a Jew, says Adalah, the proposal deals with the issue of who is a citizen. Does this one have legs Gomer? Doubt it
Netanyahu is more immersed in the American political process, in the culture wars, and in the Republican primary than any foreign leader in recent modern history, and he's doing so because he wants regime change in two countries, the first country is Iran, the second country is the United States. He wants to replace Barack Obama with a Republican. One has to say that with the current crop of Republican hopefuls, this is a real worry.
outsidelight1 7 hours ago
Syrian troops launched a ground attack in Homs on Wednesday in an apparent attempt to overrun the rebel-held Baba Amro neighbourhood that has endured 25 days of siege and fierce bombardment,.......The army is trying to go in with infantry from the direction of al-Bassel football field and fierce confrontations with automatic rifles and heavy machineguns are taking place there, This is just like Gaza but with less "prejustification" and more blunt force. Assad should have consulted Israel first
outsidelight1 1 day ago
When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou. And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them" Who wrote this?
outsidelight1 1 day ago
"And it shall be, when the LORD thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not, And houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have eaten and be full" = Israeli justification for ethnic cleansing. Different victims (?) same perpetrators (?)
outsidelight1 1 day ago
The Israeli Ofer Military Court sentenced on Sunday resident Waseem Maswada, from the southern West Bank city of Hebron, to twelve and a half years as he faced “attempted murder” charges for stabbing two settlers. After the stabbing, Waseem was attacked by several settlers, one of whom rammed him with his vehicle, and ran over him three times; the settler was sentenced to 3.5 months community service.....which gives a good sense of the relative values of Arabs and Jews in Israeli Justice
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 IN NEW YORK A MUSLIM PLATED A BOOM IN A CAR AND IS IN JAIL FOR A LONG TIME NOW BIG DEAL RIGHT... . ISRAEL DOSE HAVE CRIME YOU KNOW , LIKE ALL COUNTRIES YOU MORON
figfagthis 2 days ago
@figfagthis Good, so our would-be bomber is doing a long stretch in gaol. While in Israel you can try and kill an Arab and get community service. In fact, you can actually kill an Arab and get a few months while if you kill 9 activists on a boat in international waters your Prime Minister calls you heros! If you are responsible for the deaths of thousands....well you get to actually BE the Prime Minister.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 FACE IT YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED FOR BEING ANTISEMITIC.
NOW GO RENT A IMAM AND STRAP A BOMB ON YOU , YOU BIGOTED LOSER
figfagthis 2 days ago
@figfagthis I think I just came to the conclusion by reading your idot's offerings that an antiSemite is no longer someone who hates Jews..it is someone whom is hated by Jews so FagThisFistOneThruGomer...or whatever names you are using at the moment..chew on that for a bit and try and come up with a coherent train of thought.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 if you are a Catholic why do you suck Muslim dicks.
figfagthis 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 or is that what the priest showed you to do, suck up suck down suck to the right sick to the left in the sign of the cross on the cock of Mohammed. Allah axfool
figfagthis 2 days ago
@figfagthis Charming.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 LOOK LIKE YOU GOT YOUR ASS SERVED TO YOU IN YOUR FACE.
TipTacBoomoo7 1 day ago
@outsidelight1 ohhh YOU MAD BECAUSE YOU NOT CATHOLIC ANY MORE COCK SUCKER
figfagthis 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 Look you Moron the Israel man is going to Jail , he received Justice , there are Christians and Jews being Killed in Muslim Countries and those who kill them receive praise and no jail time . and you are crying about one Israeli nut you are one fucked up scum bag.
TipTacBoomoo7 2 days ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 No he received (and that is the correct word) community service, whatever that may be. One can be certain that it does not involve service to his Palestinian neighbours.
outsidelight1 1 day ago
27 Feb -- Israeli soldiers Monday detained a Palestinian school student in an area near the Ibrahimi mosque in Hebron’s old city, according to local sources. Witnesses said Israeli soldiers assaulted eighth-grader Muhannad al-Bakri on his way to school, and ripped his bag before arresting and detaining him in a police station in Kiryat Arba settlement, near Hebron. Al-Bakri was later released after the International Red Cross intervened.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 WITNESSED BY A LYING IMAM ... ALL NEW COMING OUT OF PALESTINIAN IS KNOWN TO BE TWISTED , 9 OUT OF 10 TIMES THEY ARE LIES
figfagthis 2 days ago
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@figfagthis "9 OUT OF 10 TIMES THEY ARE LIES"? Probably not but all you need is the one to expose Israel as a shameless bigot of a country.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 YOU NEED A LESSON ON WHAT HAPPEN BEFORE THE 6 DAY WAR. YOU OBVIOUSLY WHERE TOLD THE LOSER STORY
figfagthis 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 NOW THAT I KNOW YOU ARE A LOSER AND BELIEVE THE LOSER STORY , IT OBVIOUS YOU HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS TO LEARN THE TRUTH THAT MAY HURT YOUR MUSLIM FEELINGS .
figfagthis 2 days ago
@figfagthis As I told you...Catholic....and I can read a book and I can follow the chronology..."pre emptive strike" is the word. Problems with comprehending the meanings of words notwithstanding, that is a pretty simple word.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 A PRE -EMPTIED STIKE IN SELF DEFENSE OF A FOR SEEN ATTACK OF OVER 300, 000 ARMED ARABS MOUNTING AT THE BORDERS. IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND THE INTELLIGENCE REPORTS PROVE IT THE INTENTIONS TO SLATER EVERY JEW IN ISRAEL WAS THE GOAL.
LOOK CATHOLIC BOY GOD LOVES THE JEW .
figfagthis 2 days ago
@figfagthis "PRE -EMPTIED TRIKE"? "INTENTIONS TO SLATER EVERY JEW"? Thank you for yet another illiterate offering. The word "pre emptive", simple though it is, is cleary not simple enough even for you. According to Menachem Begin (a terrorist himself) the war was a "war of choice" for Israel. Israel wanted the war and started it thus setting a precedent for future Israeli behaviour..
outsidelight1 1 day ago
@figfagthis Menachem Begin: "We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him (Nasser)". In the months preceding the war Israel instructed its ambassador in America to "create a public atmosphere that will constitute pressure on the administration...this was a part of the pre-justification for the pre-emptive attack. While there was "tension" in the region..there was no proven"intention" to provoke full scale war by the Arabs...this was an Israeli imperative.
outsidelight1 1 day ago
@figfagthis I know that "tension" and "intention" are frighteningly similar in sound to someone as thick as you..but they are different. According to Rabin:" Nasser didn't want war. The two divisions he sent to Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it." I would suggest that Rabin was someone who understood the meanings of words and that he chose his words with care to convey what he meant. "Nasser didn't want war" Simple!
outsidelight1 1 day ago
@figfagthis When Begin defended the invasion of Lebanon in 82 he said:"In June 1967 we again had a coice. The Egyptian army concentrations in Sinai did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him." In 82 Israel was hoping to recreate the success of 67 and rebuild Israel's aura of invincibility. It failed miserably.Now we see the repeat performance over Iran's "nuclear ambitions". Israel is a recidivist war monger
outsidelight1 1 day ago
@figfagthis Israel is a recidivist war monger...."I am a proud Israeli. I’ve lived through every war, endured every moment of suffering, but I never stopped believing in peace. I lost friends and family members. I’m a peacemaker, but the current Israeli government does not know how to make peace. We move from war to war, and this will never stop. I think Zionism has run its course" Ruth Dayan, the widow of Moshe Dayan, Oct. 2011
outsidelight1 1 day ago
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All of this raises a few questions: If Israel is occupying those territories today, who was occupying them until 1967? If the West Bank and Gaza belong to "Palestinians," why were they under the control of Jordan and Egypt until June 5, 1967? If Arab "Palestinians" just want their own state, why didn't they ask for it before 1967?
TipTacBoomoo7 22 hours ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 A simple answer for the stupid Gomer..Who was occupying these lands? People. You can't wish them away and imagine they were never there, Call them what you want: Palestinians, Arabs, Judeans, Natives whatever...they won't forget who they are because every time one of them has to go through an I"D"F check point, retrieve his sheep from a vindictive official or the suffer the abuse of a racist settler....he is reminded of exactly who he is ..disposessed
outsidelight1 21 hours ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 Legal and definitional calisthenics that attempt to rationalise the arrogant aquisitiveness of an introverted tribal philosophy will not change the facts..nor will you ever be able to do more than cut 'n paste someon else's vindictive scribbling. But at the end, the best you can do is resort to genocidal exhortations from an ancient book written in the Bronze Age purporting to be the word of a God you don't believe in. Just how stupid are you Gomer?
outsidelight1 21 hours ago
@outsidelight1 Winston Churchill, the grandson of the famed former British Prime Minister, notes that Egyptian soldiers who succeeded in making their way back to Egypt, never made it home and instead were kept in cantonments, “to prevent the spread of despondency among the civil population.”
TipTacBoomoo7 17 hours ago
@outsidelight1 Other Egyptian survivors were transferred to Egypt at Qantara and once on the Egyptian side of the Canal, were herded into compounds where they were surrounded by barbed wire.
TipTacBoomoo7 17 hours ago
@outsidelight1 "However, one group (of Egyptian stragglers), as they were in mid-stream, were mown down by their own forces on the far side of the Canal with machine-guns." It has been suggested that Nasser did not want Egypt to learn of the true extent of his defeat and thus ordered the killing of survivors who tried to escape.
TipTacBoomoo7 17 hours ago
@outsidelight1 Following the war little remained of Egypt’s seven divisions deployed in Sinai. Thousands of Egyptian soldiers became stragglers and tried desperately to make their way westward toward the Suez Canal zone. Israel did not have the capacity to take them all prisoner and where possible, facilitated their movement toward the Canal where they would attempt to swim across.
TipTacBoomoo7 17 hours ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 While all this is very interesting it doesn't add much to the difference of opinion regarding who started the Six Day War. This does:When Begin defended the invasion of Lebanon in 82 he said:"In June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in Sinai did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him." Begin knew this. He is establishing a precedent for pre-emption
outsidelight1 8 hours ago
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What is needed is a thorough "de-Nazification" of Palestinian society not unlike what was imposed upon post WWII Nazi Germany. Unfortunately, this gut hatred of Jews and Israel has been inculcated into Arab societies so completely and far too long. This leaves Israel with only two choices. Victim or Victor.
TipTacBoomoo7 1 hour ago
@outsidelight1 Plainly put, their main goal today is not statehood, but genocide! Killing Jews actually makes them happy... so happy that they are even willing to detonate their own children in order to murder Jews! This irrational, street level barbarism would make Hitler's Storm Troopers seem like gentlemen!
TipTacBoomoo7 1 hour ago
@outsidelight1 The Arab Palestinians have reached a point where it has now become clear that their goal in this struggle is not the end of the so-called "occupation," but rather the organized, premeditated mass murder of Jews.
TipTacBoomoo7 1 hour ago
@outsidelight1 REGARDLESS OF MY SPELLING, REGARDLESS OF YOUR CONDESCENDING ATTITUDE, REGARDLESS OF MY SOURCE OF INFORMATION, THE ISSUE IS THAT I AM A WELL INFORMED , I HAS WORKED WITH ISRAELI AND ARAB MILITARY OFFICIALS AND BY FAR THE HATRED ARABS MUSLIMS HAVE FOR JEWS IS UNBELIEVABLE .
YET IN ISRAEL 9 OUT OF 10 MILITARY OFFICERS JUST WANT PEACE , AND TO BE RESPECTED AS A FREE NATION .
TipTacBoomoo7 17 hours ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 You are a well informed what? You don't say. Presumably you don't know. I am not condescending. I just don't have time for bigotry supported by a wilful misrepresentation of facts. I am not surprised many Arabs hate Israel. Look at the way Israel behaves. I have no doubt that 9 out of 10 Israeli officers want peace; they might achieve it if their leaders, who are hawks almost to a man, were more decent in their treatment of Palestinians.
outsidelight1 8 hours ago
@outsidelight1 IT A LYING CATHOLIC BOY LIKE YOU WHO IS THE BIGOT , WHO BELIEVES ISRAEL SHOULD SIT STILL AND DO NOTHING WHILE MISSALS COME FLYING IN, YET WHEN ISRAEL DOES KICK YOU CRY BABY ASS'S YOU PLAY THE VICTIM CARD TO THE WORLD.
THE WORLD IS SLOWLY SEEING YOUR PALESTINIAN GAME NOW
TipTacBoomoo7 1 hour ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 I have to say, you are not well informed. There is a source of tainted and biased information into which you dip for what you may feel to be appropriate, relevant or simply a distraction due to its volume and quantity...usually when you are short of answers. Your blind adherence to the biased view on Turkish WW2 neutrality even in the face of all evidence is an example; the question of 1967 pre-emption by Israel is another. You are a mouthpiece, nothing more.
outsidelight1 8 hours ago
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Clearly, the so-called "occupation" of these territories came about as a result of Arab war-making on Israel. Israel merely defended itself well. Israel also proved it was willing to give these territories back to neighbors who would live in peace with the Jewish state, as demonstrated with the return of the Sinai to Egypt.
TipTacBoomoo7 22 hours ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 We have already established, Gomer, that Israel kicked off the Six Day War with pre-emptive strikes against Egypt. Clearly, Israel is an occupying power on the West Bank. This is obvious and cutting and pasting from masadadotcom...a site for Israeli mythologising aptly named after an Israeli myth. The dynamics behind returning Sinai are different to the dynamics of Palestinian emancipation. Egypt is big, important and potentially dangerous. Palestinians are weak.
outsidelight1 22 hours ago
@outsidelight1 The war began with a large-scale surprise air strike by Israel on Egypt and ended with a major victory by Israel. A number of controversies have arisen out of the causes and conduct of the war, namely: whether Israel's action was a preemptive strike justified by the threat of an imminent attack by the Arab states
TipTacBoomoo7 17 hours ago
@outsidelight1 The Six-Day War was fought between June 5 and June 10, 1967, by Israel and the neighboring states of Egypt [known then as the United Arab Republic (UAR)], Jordan, and Syria.
TipTacBoomoo7 17 hours ago
@outsidelight1 At 3:10 am, Rafael woke ambassador Hans Tabor, the Danish President of the Security Council for June, with the news that Egyptian forces had "moved against Israel" . and that Israel was responding to a "cowardly and treacherous" attack from Egypt…" At the Security Council meeting of June 5, both Israel and Egypt claimed to be repelling an invasion by the other, and "Israeli officials – Eban and Evron – swore that Egypt had fired first"
TipTacBoomoo7 17 hours ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 Eban has stuck to this lie ever since even though Isaraeli historians have long passed him by."The war began with a large-scale surprise air strike by Israel on Egypt and ended with a major victory by Israel" as you have cut 'n pasted. Eban wouldn't even admit this simple fact years after the event when we all already knew the truth...So Gomer, "Enough already!"
outsidelight1 8 hours ago
@outsidelight1 Official word was Both Egypt and Israel announced that they had been attacked by the other country. Gideon Rafael, the Israeli Ambassador to the UN, received a message from the Israeli foreign office: "inform immediately the President of the Sec. Co. that Israel is now engaged in repelling Egyptian land and air forces."
TipTacBoomoo7 17 hours ago
@outsidelight1 The Israeli view was that its initiation of the Six-Day War was a pre-emptive strike in the face of a planned invasion of Israel by the Arab countries.] A number of sources support this view
TipTacBoomoo7 17 hours ago
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@TipTacBoomoo7 ...But not Begin. As he said (addressing a Pentagon meeting ).. Israel started it. So, all these distractions, interesting as they are, do not change, hide, obscure or contradict the fact that Israel started the Six Day War with pre-emptive strikes against Egypt. And as we know, Begin being an old terrorist himself, was never a shrinking violet when it came asserting Israel's right to intimidate, oppress and bully Isreal's neighbours.
outsidelight1 8 hours ago
@outsidelight1 On June 5, 1967, the Six-Day War began. Israel rolled up all of its enemies faster than anyone would have believed. It took control of East Jerusalem from Jordan. It took control of Judea and Samaria on the west bank of the Jordan River from Jordan. It took control of the Golan Heights from Syria. And it took control of the Gaza Strip and Sinai Desert from Egypt.
You can read these news reports for yourself thanks to the work of Sol Jacobs.
TipTacBoomoo7 22 hours ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 Yes. All very laudable and great material for staff colleges around the world. But as Begin said (addressing a Pentagon meeting ).. Israel started it. So, all these distractions, interesting as they are, do not change, hide, obscure or contradict the fact that Israel started the Six Day War with pre-emptive strikes against Egypt.
outsidelight1 22 hours ago
@outsidelight1 The endlessly repeated refrain about "occupied territories" is propaganda, since (a) the territories never belonged to Palestinian Arabs, (b) the Palestinian Authority was given control of the areas and (c) the only reason Israel continues to exert control is in reaction to Palestinian Arab violence.
TipTacBoomoo7 22 hours ago
@outsidelight1. The only internationally recognized agreements are those of the Oslo process which do not in any sentence prohibit settlements. At some points in time Israel has voluntarily agreed to a temporary halt to new settlements in anticipation of negotiating breakthroughs. But the repeated reversion to terrorism by the Palestinian Arabs has ended such restraint.
TipTacBoomoo7 22 hours ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 Don't be stupid Gomer...tough I know...the settlements are illegal. Even the US accepts this and the fact that settlements are an obstacle to peace.. Volluntarily agreeing to "halt" an illegal and confiscatory process is doing no favours to anyone at all...least of all the disposessed. We are not impressed.
outsidelight1 22 hours ago
@outsidelight1
The Fourth Geneva Convention does not apply to settlements even though you will often hear the claim that it does. Israel took over the land in a defensive war in 1967 from rulers (Jordan, Egypt) who themselves had recently acquired control of the land by aggressive war
TipTacBoomoo7 22 hours ago
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@TipTacBoomoo7 "The Fourth Geneva Convention does not apply to settlements "..this is irrelevant. to the actual issue of settlements. This refers to the treatment of captive peoples, civilians in conflict zones and under military occupation...as Israel is in breach of these aspects on an almost daily basis this would explain why this convention gets mention. You wouldn't grasp this because you can only cut 'n paste, you do not read and comprehend.
outsidelight1 21 hours ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 Israel, using US diplomatic protection has resisted the application of the 4th Geneva Convention to the issue of settlements but this is a moot point since it clearly applies to the way in which Israel conducts pacification, security & punishment operations in Gaza the WB and Lebanon. However, the Geneva Convention met in July 1999 and in a short meeting concluded that settlements are covered by the 4th Geneva Convention which would seem to have been obvious really.
outsidelight1 21 hours ago
@outsidelight1
The official U.S. position has been over the years that settlements are legal. The Carter administration for a short time held that settlements were illegal, a position overturned by the Reagan administration.
TipTacBoomoo7 22 hours ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 No. This is simply not true. There have been obscure definitional excursions that tried to avoid the issue but no US administration has stated that the settlements were actually legal and even Regan (whom I liked)who was very pro Israel said that they were illadvised and provocative while the State Department said in 1981 "the establishment of the civilian settlements in those territories is inconsistent with international law. ..for the simple minded Gomer..illegal
outsidelight1 21 hours ago
@outsidelight1 The Israeli Government has voluntarily frozen the building of new settlements, dismantled some (very important) but recognizes the needs of existing settlements to meet the changing needs of their residents, such as the expansion of existing homes to accommodate growing families.
TipTacBoomoo7 22 hours ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 This is of no use to anyone...it like me saying to you that I will stop stealing from you for the time being but that I will probably start stealing from you again shortly. Isreal simply does not need settlements to meet the breeding requirements of radical religious zelots or poor Jews in Israel proper; this is a laughable statement for which I give due credit to Bibi the Bigot and your pals at Masada2000 who are clearly a few sandwiches short of a kosher picnic.
outsidelight1 8 hours ago
@outsidelight1 . The only prohibition in these agreements is that neither side take steps to change the status of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, such as unilateral declarations of statehood or annexation, prior to final status negotiations.
TipTacBoomoo7 22 hours ago
@outsidelight1
None of the signed agreements between Israel and the Palestinians restrict the building or expansion of settlements. Indeed, the issue of settlements is specifically noted as an issue that will only be discussed during final status negotiations, the final stage of the peace process
TipTacBoomoo7 22 hours ago
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The last binding international legal instrument in the West Bank and Gaza was the League of Nations Mandate, which explicitly recognized the right of Jewish settlement in all territory allocated to the Jewish national home in the context of the British Mandate.
TipTacBoomoo7 22 hours ago
@outsidelight1 Israeli Settlements in the West Bank and Gaza are not illegal under any international law.
In 1948, when the British Government partitioned Israel, they offered the Jews certain land, and the Arabs certain land. The Arabs never agreed, and instead attacked Israel. Therefore, Israel is not violating any agreements.
TipTacBoomoo7 22 hours ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 The settlement programme is clearly the demonstration that Israel has no intention of negotiating in good faith with the Palestinians. Unfortunately for Isreal, the Palestinians will not simply go away and vanish..this is not a movie. You can not simply expell them since international media will catch you out..the Arab Spring is coming to Israel and the Israeli extremists must be shitting themselves..verbal gymnastics won't work any more; you can't hide
outsidelight1 21 hours ago
@outsidelight1 Accusing Israel of Starting the June 6, 1967 War
Resulting in the "Occupation" of 'West Bank," Gaza,
East Jerusalem, the Sinai Desert and the Golan Heights.
The Arabs say the Israelis grabbed this real estate in a war of aggression in 1967. In fact, Israel did not start that war. Israel did not want that war. Israel merely defended itself – very, very effectively – from coordinated attacks by Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Syria and Arafat's terrorists.
figfagthis 2 days ago
@figfagthis The facts are clear FagThisFistOneThruGomer and I have listed them...Israel decided to initiate a war be attacking Egypt and then the other Arab states. It won far mor that it bargained for. That was both an achievement and a curse. You could make peace with Egypt and Jordan but the occupation of the West Bank has corrupted you almost beyond redemption The same prejustification is now being employed against Iran. We are not stupid. Israel just wants the US to do the work
outsidelight1 1 day ago
@figfagthis "More and more people outside of Israel are going to become aware that for 45 years Israel has been ruling a people who don't have basic political rights--like the right to due process (Fadi could in theory spend months in jail with no charges filed) or the right to vote for or against the government that ultimately controls their fate" Israel's corrupted situation is evident to everybody. Israel needs to save itself by freeing the Palestinians not attacking Iran
outsidelight1 1 day ago
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This is not opinion. This is fact. Here is what newspapers were reporting about the crisis before June 5, 1967 – before there was any alleged "Israeli occupation." Here' is the month-long timeline leading up to the Six-Day War:
On May 7, the New York Times reported Syria had shelled the Israeli village of Ein Gev.
On May 17, the New York Times reported that the Palestine Liberation Organization, headed by Arafat, pledged to "keep sending commandos" into Israel.
figfagthis 2 days ago
@figfagthis I love the way you use the word "alleged" to describe the Israeli occupation (your quote marks are in the wrong place by the way)...there is nothing "alleged" about it. Israel occupies the West Bank; it does not own it. Israel is an occupying power that is trying to gradually detatch the best and most productive parts for Israel's exclusive use and future ownership in order to ensure that any future Palestinian entity is subservient and dependent- a Bantustan in effect.
outsidelight1 1 day ago
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On May 19, the Los Angeles Times reported Egypt stood accused of using poison gas in Yemen.
On May 19, the New York Times reported Egypt had deployed its forces along the Israeli border.
On May 20, the New York Times reported Egypt forced U.N. peacekeeping troops to leave the Sinai Desert in anticipation of its attack on Israel.
figfagthis 2 days ago
@outsidelight1
On May 21, the New York Times reported Egyptian soldiers were massing in the Sinai.
On May 22, the New York Times reported that the PLO would be stepping up its attacks in Israel, that Cairo was calling up 10,000 reserves and that Iraq would be sending aid to battle Israel.
On May 23, every newspaper in the world reported that Egypt took the provocative action of closing the Gulf of Aqaba to Israel.
figfagthis 2 days ago
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On May 24, every newspaper in the world reported that the U.S. declared Egypt's military blockade of the gulf "illegal."
On May 25, the New York Times reported that Jordan would admit Saudi and Iraqi forces into its country to do battle with Israel.
On May 27, every newspaper in the world reported Egypt's fiery threats to destroy Israel.
figfagthis 2 days ago
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On May 29, the New York Times reported the Egyptian buildup of military forces in the Sinai was continuing.
On May 29, the Washington Post reported that despite all of this provocation, Israel was still reluctant to have a showdown with its enemies.
On May 29, the New York Times reported new Syrian attacks on Israel.
figfagthis 2 days ago
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On June 3, the New York Times reported that Britain declared the Egyptian blockade could lead to war. It also reported that four Syrian commandos were intercepted in Israel.
figfagthis 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 STICK YOU PRE EMITTED LIE UP YOUR ASS NOW
figfagthis 2 days ago
@figfagthis "PRE EMITTED LIE"! I love this one. You have savant's genius for linguistic invention. Unfortunately it subjects you to ridicule..we laugh at you not with you. Ungenerous I know but you deserve it..
outsidelight1 1 day ago
27 Feb -- The Palestinian Civil Defense announced on Monday that ambulance teams and medic came under attack on Sunday evening by Israeli troops as they were evacuating civilians near Qalandiya checkpoint at the entrance of Ramallah city in central West Bank. According to the Civil Defense, Israeli troops fired tear gas at residents’ homes trapping families inside, soldiers then fired rubber-coated steel bullets at medics who arrived to evacuate residents.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 AMBULANCES THAT HAVE BEEN KNOW TO HIDE WEAPONS AND TERRORIST . WE ARE ON TO YOU LOSERS TRICKS
figfagthis 2 days ago
@figfagthis Bullshit...that is an old Israeli canard long ago exposed as a lie
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 YOU ARE FULL OF PALESTINIAN CANARDS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPOSED
figfagthis 2 days ago
Feb 2012: Israeli military authorities have issued an order for the confiscation of a northern West Bank village's land, local officials told Ma'an on Sunday.The military order confiscates 21.3 dunams of Qarawat Bani Hassan village in Salfit, citing security reasons. The village is bordered by three Israeli settlements. ....which presumably are not affected by security concerns
outsidelight1 2 days ago
The "West Bank" territories from which Jordan attacked Israel in 1967, the Gaza Strip territory from which the Egyptian Army attacked Israel in 1967 and the Golan Heights from which Syria attack Israel in 1967 are today's so-called "Israeli occupied territories." Had these Arab nations not threatened to destroy Israel in June of 1967, there would be no Israeli "settlers" on these "occupied territories!"
TipTacBOOM100 3 days ago
@TipTacBOOM100 Well Gomer...you do know that I hate contradicting you when you are correct..fortunately this is never...so...Israel's first and most critical move was a surprise attack on the Egyptian Air Force. Egypt had by far the largest and the most modern of all the Arab air forces, consisting of about 420 combat aircraft, In the previous war Israel initiated a land assault. I suggest you check your chronology more carefully.
outsidelight1 3 days ago
@outsidelight1 WRONG AGAIN LOSER, I SUGGEST YOU STOP READING YOUR AL QADA METRIAL AND LEARN THE TRUTH
TipTacBOOM100 3 days ago
@outsidelight1 WRONG AGAIN LOSER, I SUGGEST YOU STOP READING YOUR AL QADA METRICAL AND LEARN THE TRUTH
TipTacBOOM100 3 days ago
@outsidelight1 YOU JUST HATE IT , THAT LITTLE OLD ISRAEL KICKED YOUR ASS IN 7 DAYS . NOT EXPECTING SUPERIORITY IN STRATEGY
TipTacBOOM100 3 days ago
@TipTacBOOM100 Little 'ol Israel? Hardly..Israel has always had military superiority over its Arab adversaries. But remember Gomer..it isn't 1967 any more. Things have moved on. In the last few outings the I"D"F has been a miserable failure..they kill a lot of people (mostly non combatants) and destroy a lot of civilian infrastructure and suffer very few casualties..but they don't actually achieve anything...apart from making everybody hate Israel even more.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 MISINFORMATION AND REWRITING HISTORY WILL NOT CHANGE THE FACT ISRAEL WON THE WAR AND YOU MORONS NEED TO LIE TO GET WORLD SYMPATHY
TipTacBOOM100 3 days ago
@TipTacBOOM100 Well FagThisGomer, we all know that Israel won the war..we all know that Israel did it with a pre-emptive strike..that's why Israel is sitting on the West Bank slowly slicing it up and that's why Israel is making Gaze a prison...because they can. The can because the won the 1967 war with a pre-emptive strike...a circular discussion I know but apparantly required for the intellectually limited folks out there...like you.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 IT WAS SUPERIOR PILOTS AND SUPERIOR PLAINS FROM THE USA THAT KICKED YOUR ASS . MAKING EXCESSES FOR YOU INCOMPETENCE IS TOO FUNNY
TipTacBOOM100 3 days ago
@TipTacBOOM100 You are a twat...superior pilots very possibly...but not so superior that the Egyptian pilots did not know how to get their aircraft up in the air....they were caught on the ground which clearly demonstrated unpreparedness, surprise and a pre-emptive attack. Why do you even bother with these feeble rationalisations? By the way..a "plaine" is a large flat piece of land...a "plane" flies... words matter...it's why you can't comprehend things like simple narative.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 Having Shit for brains and an Al Qada education is very fitting to your failure to see the universal truth that all the free world people see . Claiming that the 1967 war was started by Israel is as stupid as it comes
figfagthis 3 days ago
@figfagthis The words "pre-emptive strike" are used to describe Israel's commencement of operations in 1967...Israel talks about Arab rhetoric and provocations..but Hitler said the same over Poland...however, since it is clear that you need to have the obvious pointed out..the prefix "pre" denotes action ahead of something...that's why the Egyptian airforce was destroyed on the ground- as the US airforce was destroyed on the ground in Hawaii by the Japanese
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@figfagthis After a period of high tension between Israel and its neighbors, the war began on June 5 with Israel launching surprise air strikes against Arab forces. The outcome was a swift and decisive Israeli victory. Israel took effective control of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria. Circumstantial eveidence alone, apart from chronology, says the Israel kicked this one off.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@TipTacBOOM100 Israel's first and most critical move was a surprise attack on the Egyptian Air Force... Benny Morris..Israeli Historian...Why waste your time with bollocks? This is just like your Turkish "support" for, "alliance" with Germany in WW2...you couldn't work that piece of crap and you can't work this one either.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@TipTacBOOM100 Israel has denied over 14,000 Arab residents of occupied East Jerusalem the right to live in their city of birth, It also demolished 3,300 Palestinian-owned homes in the city. The NAD report monitored Israeli unilateral measures in E. Jerusalem since its occupation in 1967. Israel withdrew right to live in the city from 14,000 Palestinians, around 50% of them from 2006 and 2008. The Israeli action affected more than 20% of Palestinian families in East Jerusalem.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@TipTacBOOM100 A Jewish settler Monday opened fire at Palestinian farmers and their livestock in Khirbet Janba, south of the West Bank city of Hebron, after failed attempts to steal their sheep, Members of the "Society for the Protection of Nature in Israel" (SPNI) arrived at the scene and seized several sheep and told their owners they must pay for them if they wanted them back, he added. The everyday life of administrative dictat and petty harrassment suffered by Arabs
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@TipTacBOOM100 Meanwhile, Israeli authorities also imposed almost $2000 on a Palestinian farmer from Khirbet Janba under the pretext that he was herding the sheep in an Israeli army-control area. ....all of this is just petty minded, spitefull and bigoted.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
The so-called "Israeli settlements" in the Judea and Samaria (a.k.a. the "West Bank") and Gaza have been blamed for all the Arab-Israeli ["Palestinian"-Israeli] conflict when, in Truth, these settlements were the result of a war brought to Israel BY these very same Arabs!
TipTacBOOM100 3 days ago
In fact, the Jewish refugees were more a victim population since they were driven out by persecution. Those Jews were not involved in a war against the Arab populations in any of those 22 countries!
TipTacBoomoo7 3 days ago 4
While Israelis (formerly, the Jewish "Palestinians") were fighting their 1948-9 defensive War of Independence against five invading Arab armies, nearly 900,000 Jews were murdered or driven out (ethnically cleansed) from many of the surrounding 22 Arab countries. These Jews were as much victims of aggression as the Arab "Palestinians" in 1948-9 and again in 1967.
TipTacBoomoo7 3 days ago 5
@TipTacBoomoo7 Never mind the fact that Jewish extremists precipitated the war in 47/48.......we wouldn't want to consider inconvenient facts like that no would we Gomer?
outsidelight1 3 days ago
What happened to the ancient Jewish communities of Algeria, Egypt, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Syria, Tunisia and Yemen? They all had their land and possessions taken from them and were driven out (or killed) by their Arab/Muslim/Islamic hosts... a case of REAL "ethnic cleansing!"
TipTacBoomoo7 3 days ago 4
@TipTacBoomoo7 "REAL" ethnic cleansing? A opposed to "UNREAL" ethnic cleansing I suppose. Although I am sure that this is a distinction that would have escaped the 3/4 of a million Palestinian Arabs who were "invited" to leave their homes at the point of a gun in 47/48. It's nice to see youi back after your rest Gomer but it hasn't improved the quality of your input.
outsidelight1 3 days ago
And what about Jewish education or religion in the Arab Emirates, Syria, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Somalia, Sudan, Bahrain or any of the other Arab/Muslim/Islamic countries? Not to worry. There are no Jewish education or Jewish religious freedom to worship issues because Jews dare not even visit, let alone live there.
TipTacBoomoo7 3 days ago 4
Jews in Jordan do not enjoy the same rights or facilities because Jordan also has no Jews. Their ethnic cleansing policies do not permit Jews to defile the purity of their Arab country. These same policies are standard fare in all Arab/Muslim/Islamic countries. These same 1.4 BILLION voices who daily cry out for "rights of self-determination" for the poo' poo' Arab "Palestinians" deny this same "right of self-determination" for the five million Jews of tiny Israel.
TipTacBoomoo7 3 days ago 4
@TipTacBoomoo7 A nice piece of sophistry Gomer.....Po' po' Israel claims its right to democratic freedoms but does by rigging the demographics through erthnic cleansing and admistrative dictat.
outsidelight1 3 days ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 Since the establishment of the State, the population of Israel has increased almost tenfold, mainly due to the immigration of Jews from round the world. the main division of the country’s inhabitants into Jews (80%) and Arabs (20%), since its establishment, some 2.7 million Jews have immigrated to Israel from some 130 countries.
outsidelight1 3 days ago
@TipTacBoomoo7Between the years 1948 – 1951, Israel absorbed some 700,000 immigrants, with its population doubling as a consequence. These immigrants more or less replaced the 3/4 of a million Arabs ethnically cleansed during Israel's 1st phase of expansion.
outsidelight1 3 days ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 In the mid-1950s, some 170,000 immigrants arrived in Israel from North Africa and Romania. This wave seems to coincide with the Suez crisis which began the process of immigratuion from Arab and North African countries. Not surprisingly Jews were looked at with some suspicion during this period.
outsidelight1 3 days ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 In the early 1960s, some 180,000 immigrants arrived from North Africa. In the 1990s some 900,000 immigrants arrived from the former USSR and some 60,000 immigrants from Ethiopia, all of whom were absorbed in Israel although Ethiopians continue to experience discrimination to this day This immigration of Jews is despatately "needed" by Israel to counter the natural growth of the Israeli Arab population.
outsidelight1 3 days ago
@outsidelight1 West Bank settlements [more properly called "Jewish communities of Judea-Samaria"] account for 2% of the land of the West Bank. In 35 years of rule, the Israelis have put 2% of the territory under the ownership of settlements. If we project that trend forward, it would take 1,750 years for the settlers to control all of the West Bank. Yet we are told this is the crux of the problem.
TipTacBoomoo7 3 days ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 I think you forgot the 4 that comes before the 2...42% of land controlled by settlers..a typical piece of kosher taqiya there Gomer....Jewish settlers, who claim a divine right to the whole of Israel, now control more than 42 per cent of the occupied West Bank, representing a powerful obstacle to the creation of a Palestinian state, a new report has revealed...not to mention prioritised access to water resources
outsidelight1 3 days ago
@outsidelight1 To call the Israeli presence in THEIR OWN ancient homeland an "occupation," is ridiculous. An occupation of what? There was never an Arab "Palestinian" nation or people there before. There are no "Palestinians." They are a made-up people for the sole purpose of political propaganda!
TipTacBoomoo7 3 days ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 I don't know why you bother with this stupid argument Gomer because nobody but the idiots or fellow travellers is buying it. You can call the people whatever you want..Palestinians, Judeans, Arabs, locals but most appropriately of all we can call them disposessed and homeless after the ethnic cleansing carried out by Israelis.
outsidelight1 3 days ago
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@TipTacBoomoo7 I don't know why you bother with this stupid argument Gomer because nobody but the idiots or fellow travellers is buying it. You can call the people whatever you want..Palestinians, Judeans, Arabs, locals but most appropriately of all we can call them disposessed and homeless after the ethnic cleansing carried out by Israelis.
outsidelight1 3 days ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 "THEIR OWN ancient homeland"...Gomer...this is a Biblical Myth..I thought you were an athieist..You are now claiming the right of possession based on a book written in the bronze age, that we know is historically inaccurate and simply wrong in many places, that is supposedly the word of a God you don't believe in.I know that the Bible condones the theft by Israelites of someone else's land but is this applicable in 2012??????
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 On the eve of the war, Egypt massed approximately 100,000 of its 160,000 troops in the Sinai, including all of its seven divisions (four infantry, two armored and one mechanized), four independent infantry brigades and four independent armored brigades. No fewer than a third of them were veterans of Egypt's intervention into the Yemen Civil War and another third were reservists. These forces had 950 tanks, 1,100 APCs and more than 1,000 artillery pieces.
figfagthis 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 HAY YOU GIRLS ARE TO SLOW AND ISRAEL'S INTELLIGENCE WAS SUPERIOR TO YOUR PLANED INVASION OF ISRAEL
figfagthis 2 days ago
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@figfagthis "HAY (hey) YOU GIRLS ARE TO (too) SLOW AND ISRAEL'S INTELLIGENCE WAS SUPERIOR TO YOUR PLANED (planned) INVASION OF ISRAEL ..illiterate in expression and devoid od fact... pre-planned (such an ugly word)..pre-emptive is better.
outsidelight1 1 day ago
@outsidelight1 Nasser's ambivalence about his goals and objectives was reflected in his orders to the military. The general staff changed the operational plan four times in May 1967, each change requiring the redeployment of troops, with the inevitable toll on both men and vehicles.
figfagthis 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 Towards the end of May, Nasser finally forbade the general staff from proceeding with the Qahir ("Victory") plan, which called for a light infantry screen in the forward fortifications with the bulk of the forces held back to conduct a massive counterattack against the main Israeli advance when identified, and ordered a forward defense of the Sinai.[
figfagthis 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 In the meantime, he continued to take actions intended to increase the level of mobilization of Egypt, Syria and Jordan, in order to bring pressure on Israel.
figfagthis 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 SO YOU REAL THINK ISRAEL IS GOING TO SIT THERE AND WAIT FOR THE ATTACK ON IT'S PEOPLE. HELL NO ... YOU ARE NOT ONLY A RETARD YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON
figfagthis 2 days ago
@figfagthis I am so glad that you are now agreeing that Israel attacked first. You had no choice since the facts are a little difficult to avoid........ but if you are going to conduct pre-emptive strikes you had better get it right. 1967 is long gone and the I"D"F is not what it was. They Americans won't be as easy..they might not want to attack Iran..AIPAC is working hard and Bibi is whining very loudly but Obama might not cooperate.
outsidelight1 1 day ago
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figfagthis 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 NOW ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ISRAEL = Syria's army had a total strength of 75,000 and amassed them along the Syrian border. Jordan's army had 55,000 troops and 300 tanks along the Jordanian border, 250 of which were U.S. M48 Patton, sizable amounts of M113 APCs, a new battalion of mechanized infantry, and a paratrooper battalion trained in the new U.S.-built school. They also had 12 battalions of artillery and six batteries of 81 mm and 120 mm mortars
figfagthis 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 Documents captured by the Israelis from various Jordanian command posts record orders from the end of May for the Hashemite Brigade to capture Ramot Burj Bir Mai'in in a night raid, codenamed "Operation Khaled". The aim was to establish a bridgehead together with positions in Latrun for an armored capture of Lod and Ramle. The "go" codeword was Sa'ek and end was Nasser.
figfagthis 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 The Jordanians planned for the capture of Motza and Sha'alvim in the strategic Jerusalem Corridor. Motza was tasked to Infantry Brigade 27 camped near Ma'ale Adummim: "The reserve brigade will commence a nighttime infiltration onto Motza, will destroy it to the foundation, and won't leave a remnant or refugee from among its 800 residents".
figfagthis 2 days ago
@outsidelight1
100 Iraqi tanks and an infantry division were readied near the Jordanian border. Two squadrons of fighter-aircraft, Hawker Hunters and MiG 21, were rebased adjacent to the Jordanian border.
figfagthis 2 days ago
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On June 2, Jordan called up all reserve officers, and the West Bank commander met with community leaders in Ramallah to request assistance and cooperation for his troops during the war, assuring them that "in three days we'll be in Tel-Aviv".
figfagthis 2 days ago
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The Arab air forces were aided by volunteer pilots from the Pakistan Air Force acting in independent capacity, and by some aircraft from Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia to make up for the massive losses suffered on the first day of the war.
AND YOU PUSSIES LOST
figfagthis 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 They have no separate culture, language, or country of their own; even their leader -- Arafat -- is EGYPTIAN!! He later moved to Jerusalem. If anything, Arafat is an "illegal occupier" and "illegal settler!"
TipTacBoomoo7 3 days ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 You just spotted this? Spot this then....the vast majority of Israelis in 1949 came from elsewhere..really elswhere...like a different continent. At least Arafat's parents were Palestinians..and .he was living in Jerusalem in 1937. Why do you expose your ignorance by talking crap..I suppose that is a part of being...well...stupid.
outsidelight1 3 days ago
@outsidelight1 REGARDLESS WHERE THE JEWS CAME FROM THEY WHERE PERSECUTED IN ALL MUSLIM COUNTRIES AND FLED WEST TO EUROPE. THE ONE'S THAT REMAINED KEPT THE DOOR OPEN FOR A RETURN
TipTacBOOM100 3 days ago
@outsidelight1 Have you ever heard of the expression, "To the Victor Goes the Spoils of War?" This would seem especially justified when the victor was attacked! Incredibly, "Israeli aggression" and "Israeli occupation" is what the Arab world now claims is the reason why there is no peace!
TipTacBOOM100 3 days ago
@TipTacBOOM100 Make your mind up Gomer...you can't decide whether Israel is the victim of an unending cycle of oppression based on weakness or the stong, able and just army of truth, highly trained and sophisticated, fighting the armies of primitiveness. You can't be both. Fact: Israel is the aggressive element in this.; even Israel's founding fathers aknowledge this. You fluctuate between whining and bellicosity...it isn't pretty and it's pathetically transparent.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@outsidelight1 Moreover, Israel did not “occupy” these territories, as the Palestinians and others would have you believe. The Kingdom of Jordan illegally "occupied" Judea-Samaria from 1948-67 following the first Arab war upon Israel. In the 1967 Six-Day War, Arab armies massed on Israel’s narrow borders, vowing to destroy the Jewish state.
TipTacBoomoo7 3 days ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 Why do you waste your time wearing out your finger tip out typing this rubbish. Fact: Israel expelled the majority population to make way for Jewish incomers. The founders of Zionism predicted and planned it. The founders of Israel acknowledge it and (Jewish) historians have recorded it. Performing these "intellectual" gymnastics just demonstrates how thick you are. Call them whatever you like; disposessed and unlucky would be correct.
outsidelight1 3 days ago
@outsidelight1 OUR POINT IS TO PROVE YOU WRONG AND TO PROVE HOW MOST MUSLIMS ARE USEFUL IDIOTS TO SPREAD LIES AND MISINFORMATION
TipTacBOOM100 3 days ago
@outsidelight1 In a war of self-defense, Israel succeeded in overcoming its enemies and, in the process, "liberated" Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Under international law, territories are considered “occupied” only when they are taken in an act of aggression... something which clearly does not apply to Israel since the 1967 war was a defensive war.
TipTacBoomoo7 3 days ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 Well you'll just have to excuse me because the last time I looked the 1967 War was started by.........well....Israel...in a "surprise attack"...which allowed Israel to destroy Arab air and land forces before the start..........a kind of Pearl Harbour.
outsidelight1 3 days ago
@outsidelight1 WOW IS THAT WHAT YOUR MULLAH TOLD YOU, SEE YOU ARE A USEFUL IDIOT
TipTacBOOM100 3 days ago
@TipTacBOOM100 No..that's what the chronology says. That's what Israel's original view states. Keep up.
outsidelight1 2 days ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 It was 37 years ago that Israel prevailed in the 1967 war, returning to places such as Hebron, Jericho and Shilo. For two thousand uninterrupted years, Jews had lived in the ancient Jewish quarter of Hebron, near the Tomb of the Patriarchs where Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are buried. Only in 1929, when local Arabs massacred them, was the Jewish community forced to flee the city. What could be more historically just than to rebuild the Jewish presence there?
TipTacBOOM100 3 days ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 One must also recall that prior to the beginning of the Jewish return and reclamation of their ancient homeland in the 1880s, there were BOTH Arab "Palestinians" and Jewish "Palestinians" living there. Neither group had a particularly significant numbers after centuries during which the land was ignore and neglected. Once the Jews began their Zionist movement to reclaim, beautify and resettle the land, Arabs from surrounding Arab areas also began returning.
TipTacBOOM100 3 days ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 Unlike the early Jewish settlers who were willing to live in peace and share land, the incoming Arabs were bent on sharing nothing! The Arab motto then is exactly what it is now 120 years later... "we will shed every last drop of blood for every last grain of [what THEY consider] Arab land!"
TipTacBOOM100 3 days ago
FACT ; The 1,200,000 Arab "Palestinians" whose parents and grandparents opted for Israeli citizenship in 1948 now have a life inside Israel.
TipTacBoomoo7 3 days ago 4
@TipTacBoomoo7 Indeed...they have a life inside Israel as 2nd class citizens and as non Jews in a Jewish state.... a state defined as a "Jewish" state...this would be like America defining itself as a "white" state as many people in the late 1800s and early 1900s wanted to do..these supremacist and eugenics organisations inspired Hitler and, ironically, Zionism's colonialist and ethnic cleansing ethos
outsidelight1 3 days ago
FACT; They vote in Israel's elections and even have Israeli-Arab Knesset members. Free democratic elections such as this cannot even be imagined in any one of the 22 countries of the Arab League nor in any of the forty-four Muslim nations throughout Africa and Asia.
TipTacBoomoo7 3 days ago 4
@TipTacBoomoo7 Let's be honest here Gomer shal we? Israel doesn't want democratic Arab states around it..it wants dictators who are easier to deal with. That's why Bibi is absolutely shitting himself over the Arab Spring -who knows what it'll throw up- and that's why he is screaming about Iran and trying to pump up America to bomb Iran for him. Israel needs big dangerous enemies to justify its racial purity/ ethnic cleansing directives.
outsidelight1 3 days ago
@TipTacBoomoo7 "Democricy"..it's a dilemma for Bibi both at home and abroad. At home it can only be permitted by maintaining the Jewish numerical advantage through the emasculation of Palestinian society with ethnic cleansing and land theft and gerrymandering. Abroad however..that's tough. What will a democratic Egypt produce?? Since Israel alienated the Turks, Syria is a worry. Iraq is crumbling and can Bibi rely on the Iraqi Kurds. What to do what to do?
outsidelight1 3 days ago
FACT PIG LADIN remain an Antisemitic Because you only point to fact that have been proven lies making you the proven useful idiot i always knew you are .
TipTacBoomoo7 3 days ago 4
@TipTacBoomoo7 A proposed constitution written by the Israeli Arab advocacy center, Adalah, states that Arab Knesset members will be able to bring about the disqualification of bills that impinge on the rights of Arabs, and classifies the State of Israel as a "bilingual and multicultural" country rather than a Jewish state Instead of dealing with the issue of who is a Jew, says Adalah, the proposal deals with the issue of who is a citizen. Does this one have legs Gomer? Doubt it
outsidelight1 3 days ago