Boston MegaRaid - Speeches On The Common Part 5

[DeafJamPunks]

How part 5 has more views than Part 2,3,&4 combined? :\

[anonymousfreetheweb]

anomus we are legion and we will never stop we

never forget we never forgive

[72daystar]

Yeah, Halifax anons... I've partied with your Gotigen Street fore bearers.

[BatmanASB]

hey, can we see that video too please?

[badfish4311]

im trying to think to a time where any member of the church of Scientology has used to word "facts" but i really cant think of one.

[CheezMonsterCrazy]

It isn't so much that a lie detector is wrong, just that its name is a fallacy. It doesn't detect lies, it detects the symptoms people USUALLY get when lying. Coupled with an experienced technician they can still be effective.

[ZarlanTheGreen]

@CheezMonsterCrazy Coupled a subject that knows a bit about lie detectors, it won't be effective ....certainly not reliable in any case.

[jcdr]

I think it says "At least our insanity is Free"

[Robbi159]

What does the sign say "At least our insanity" ?

[ZarlanTheGreen]

How can you have scientology lose their tax exempt status, and comply with the U.S. constitution, without getting rid of tax exempt status for religious organizations altogether?

After all, who are you to say scientology isn't a religion?

(Despite what you might think, due to what I just wrote. I'm all for getting rid of tax exempt status for cults like scientology ...and islam, christianity, judaism, hinduism etc.)

[CheezMonsterCrazy]

@ZarlanTheGreen I believe at the time Scientology got their tax exempt status, they lied about their numbers in order to qualify as a religion. Or something like that.

[ZarlanTheGreen]

@CheezMonsterCrazy Your belief won't count as a religion unless you have a certain number of followers? That makes no sense.

[CheezMonsterCrazy]

@ZarlanTheGreen Obviously its more complicated than that, but that's part of it if I'm not mistaken.

[mariofreak444]

wait if all the religions are cults then whats not a cult?

[JapsEye2]

@mariofreak444 Nachos. They're food.

[JapsEye2]

@mariofreak444 Nachos. They're food.

[ZarlanTheGreen]

@mariofreak444 A lack of religion.

Why even bother asking something that has such an obvious answer?

[ZarlanTheGreen]

@mariofreak444 A lack of religion.

Why even bother asking something that has such an obvious answer?

[aregolas]

@mariofreak444 I am a believer of the multiverse, we ask for no money just your laugh power. :p

[MsMrNoface]

@ZarlanTheGreen You could use a system like they do in the UK, in which they have to demonstrate that they are a net social benefit.

[aregolas]

@ZarlanTheGreen I think that it isn't a religion, it is a cult. so yes. fun fun denying that it's a religion. I prefer to say it's not than die inside at the thought of defending it. But yes I say it should lose the exemption.

[ZarlanTheGreen]

@aregolas "I think that it isn't a religion, it is a cult."

There's a difference? (well, technically, you can have a cult, without it being a religion, but not the other way around)

How is scientology not a religion?

By what definition is scientology not a religion, whilst the other religions are still religions?

"I prefer to say it's not than die inside at the thought of defending it."

I don't defend it and I say it is a religion.

Why is it a problem for you?

Why can't you handle the truth?

[mberg1974]

@ZarlanTheGreen Scientology don´t have a god they believe in. They don´t pray, and they don´t never ever practise any kind of religious ceremony in the name of Scientology. Scientology is mostly based on it´s believers taking expensive courses, and they call the courses "technology" or "tech", which doesn´t sound very religiuos does it?

The only reason they call them self a religion is because that way they get tax-exemption, and also protection from laws that protects religious beliefs.

[ZarlanTheGreen]

@mberg1974 "1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion."

I'd say they qualify.

[ZarlanTheGreen]

@mberg1974 ...and if Dictionary plus com, isn't enough:

"4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith"

-merriam-webster online dictionary.

Again, I'd say that Scientology qualifies as a religion.

One that is bat-shit, but then which isn't?

...and in either case: the US government has no right to decide which group qualifies as religion, and which doesn't.

Quite aside from being stupid and wrong, it flies in the face of the first amendment as well.

[mberg1974]

@ZarlanTheGreen I don´t buy it. They hardly think that their "tech" is a matter of faith or belief, they claim it´s a fact that it works for everyone. If that is a religion then I think tupperware, or the people who sell Aloe Vera also have a religion and should get tax exemption. Furthermore, it´s interesting that they call them self a "church" since churches are christian by nature, and scientology has nothing to do with christianity, but they use a cross as their symbol. False flag operation!

[ZarlanTheGreen]

@mberg1974 "They hardly think that their "tech" is a matter of faith or belief, they claim it´s a fact that it works for everyone."

1. Believing something to be fact, is a belief.

2. How is that different from many religious claims?

"If that is a religion then I think tupperware, or the people who sell Aloe Vera also have a religion"

No, as they make no claims about how to behave, or the nature of the mind and/or world ...and afterlife.

"and should get tax exemption."

No religion should.

[mberg1974]

@ZarlanTheGreen "No, as they make no claims about how to behave, or the nature of the mind and/or world ...and afterlife."

Well that´s not true, they do tell how to behave in a very important matter, that they have in common with scientology: They want to sell you stuff, stuff you must have to improve your life. A relative used to sell Aloe through a company "Forever living products", and I tell you that was a cult.

Religions are different, they don´t demand money to let participate.

[ZarlanTheGreen]

@mberg1974 "that they have in common with scientology: They want to sell you stuff, stuff you must have to improve your life."

Now your grasping, splitting hairs...

"A relative used to sell Aloe through a company "Forever living products", and I tell you that was a cult."

In some cases, I agree, but... All religions are cults. Not all cults are religions.

"Religions are different, they don´t demand money to let participate."

Some do, some don't. (ever heard of tithing?)

[mberg1974]

@ZarlanTheGreen

"All religions are cults", yeah I agree in some extent, but you cant say they all are all the same, because they aren´t. Reality is more complex.

Splitting hairs? I think it is a very important point to make.

Scientology´s first, second and third priority is: Make money.

"Not all cults are religions", yeah I agree. I think Scientology is a good example of that.

[ZarlanTheGreen]

@mberg1974 "yeah I agree in some extent, but you cant say they all are all the same"

Of course not.

"Splitting hairs? I think it is a very important point to make."

...

What does make something a religion, according to you?

"Scientology´s first, second and third priority is: Make money."

That's irrelevant to the question, as to whether or not they are a religion.

...and please name one religion which doesn't strive for power.

(the point of money, is the ability, power, to procure things)

[mberg1974]

"That's irrelevant to the question, as to whether or not they are a religion."

Seriously?? I think it is extremely relevant. Companys can maybe get away with making money being their first priority, but a religion?? I am no big fan of christianity or islam, but at least they strive for something else than selling things to their poor followers! Scientology´s claim to be a religion is just a front that enables them to make more money.

[ZarlanTheGreen]

@mberg1974 None of that demonstrates the relevance.

It isn't relevant.

...and many religions make money off of their believers. Most of them, actually. (not all groups, but certainly many groups, in all religions)

...and even those who don't, still get power off of their believers. Power that can turn into money ...or be a substitute for it.

[mberg1974]

@ZarlanTheGreen Now you are grasping, splitting hairs ;)

Religions want followers, and many followers gives power. What makes scientology different is their motivation for calling themselves a religion. I bet you Scientology wouldn't do that if it wasn't for the tax exemption. There is a tape where Hubbard actually speaks of the financial gains of scientology becoming a religion.

But hey, you can´t agree with everyone, and there wouldn't be any interesting discussions if we did.

Cya.

[checkplus]

at least our insanity is...?

[TheConstitutionMan]

I am hungry to see them lose their tax exemption status, then see a resourceful irs agent infiltrate the cult, and get video evidence of the brainwashing, and torture they perform on their weak minded members.

[pinnacleOFjustice]

This is awesome! Love it.

[inivonwini]

YEAH! OOOOOOOOOO

[MADMANx511]

Woot! Anonymous!

[mikerules999]

but seriously very interesting video