@Kraizer666 I didn't mean to offend you! Here, you are a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience. You by definition are also a disbeliever, nonbeliever, unbeliever, doubter, skeptic, secularist, empiricist, heathen, heretic, infidel, pagan. You don't see anything wrong with that? How do you draw upon this as fact when God Himself gave you life?
I have in fact tried in the past. You didn't think I was Agnostic for no reason did you? If I was convinced he was here, I would completely seek him and turn from my sin. However, it seems to be he is not. I have searched, and not found.
Religion is faulty and hypocritical. However, I will not take away someones rights to believe in what they want. I even support anyone trying to be involved with religious communities. So, for now, "God" does not know my heart. Only I do.
@Kraizer666 I agree on the religion part. As for the rest I have to say, don't give up! Keep searching and pray! Pray diligently that the Way be revealed to you. There is time as long as breath remains in your body. Read your Bible and in prayer, hold Him accountable for the promises He has made. "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe." You don't have to see, you will feel. I can say that because I feel Him and know He is with me. Don't quit!
If you had read my comment just a little bit better, you would know I do not cast him aside. That would make me an Atheist, not an Agnostic. Nothing wrong with either one.
Yes, God has to justify him/her/itself in order to me to completely convert.
By that logic, why do you believe in him? After all, you have nothing to lose. If God loves everyone as it is claimed, God would understand you wanting to find the truth. We humans are capable of a higher thinking, ants are not.
@Kraizer666 Why don't you ask Him to show you something; anything so that by showing you, you will have no doubt that He is God. Let me ask you something. If you were convinced He was there, would you seek Him diligently and turn from your sin? Would you then accept Christ as your Savior? You don't have to answer me, because it matters to God, and He knows your heart.
Well, here's the thing. It's easier to say God created everything, and is everything. Then leave it like that. It's called the easy way out of things. It it far from a simple concept, at least to those who wonder about our existence.
Pastor Youcef, a muslim convert to Christianity, father, and husband, is awaiting execution in iran for the "crime" of converting to Christianity. He is able to be set free if he renounces Christ and reinstates the muslim doctrine in his life. He states that "he cannot." Here is made manifest the Power and Existence of God, that this man would give up his son, wife, family, and life because the Truth was made known to him. He cannot deny Christ for he cannot deny the Truth. Please pray for him!
@2cthetruth Meanwhile thousands of people convert back and forth between Christianity and Islam and you just don't care. As well as Buddhism and every other major religion out there.
Plus, thousands of people out there who are simply born into the wrong geographical location and never have a chance to hear of Christ. They are condemned to hell for not worshipping your god. Children die of disease every day without hearing of Christ, and they burn for it. Your religion teaches this. Oh the power.
@boochainletters12 Oh the Power! If you would read your Bible, you would learn that Yahweh is a Just God. Christ died for all mans sins, not just some. You go to hell if you reject Christ. Those who have never heard, never had a chance to accept or deny Christ, so in that, what do you say a Just God would do?
@2cthetruth I would learn that Yahweh claims to be a just god, but by our standards, he is infinitely injust. And if you would read your bible, you would learn that the entire point of spreading the word of Christ is to "save the infidels" from hell. Why would they need saving if they wouldn't go to hell?
Lets look at this another way. My name is Anthony. I'm single, and looking for a girl prepared for a serious, long term relationship. My friend, Catherine, tells me about her friend, Gloria.
@boochainletters12 Catherine describes Gloria to me. Gloria is intelligent, dedicated and hardworking. She has all the qualities that I am looking for in a woman, and Catherine assures me that she is beautiful too. I'm interested in this Gloria, and ask to see a picture of her. Catherine tells me that Gloria doesn't want a man who needs to see a picture of her before she dates them, that she needs a man who's willing to go on her personality.
@boochainletters12 So I'm a little confused, but decide to put it aside. Next I ask Catherine if I can have Glorias number, so that I can at least talk to her and see if she's interested in going on a date. Again, Catherine tells me that she can't give me Glorias number, because Gloria trusts Catherine to set her up with a good man.
@boochainletters12 Now at this point, Gloria sounds way too good to be true, and I'm having my doubts about going on a blind date with her. So I tell Catherine I'd like to at least hear from or meet Gloria before I go on a date with her.
In this instance, has Gloria been rejected? I wouldn't say so at all. I just don't think that my friend has given an accurate detail of her, if indeed there is a Gloria. All it would take on Glorias part is to send me an email, or let me make contact with her.
@boochainletters12 And I would then be comfortable in the knowledge that she is who my friend claims she is.
Transfer this same metaphor/situation to Christianity
I am an Atheist. My friend is a Christian, and they tell me that God is perfect, all loving, responsible for all that is good in the world. That he will grant me eternal paradise if only I accept his son as my lord and saviour. I say - "Great! Can I speak to God?"
@boochainletters12 And my Christian friend tells me, well no. God doesn't talk to us directly any more. But hey, here's his book. I look at the book and say - "Well, how do you know it was written by God?" and they tell me "It says so, right there in the book." to which I reply "Well, so do all these other scriptures. Is there another way I can contact God at all?" and again, I'm told "No, no you cannot."
@boochainletters12 At this point I'm going to tell my Christian friend "Sorry, but I don't think that your God is accurately described. The book you've given me details the misadventures of a sadistic power freak, which doesn't really click with what you tell me about him. I'm not going to worship the God you've described to me because it simply doesn't fit reality."
At this point, has God been rejected? Not at all. My friend has given an unrealistic portrayal, and insufficient reason to believe
@boochainletters12 How can man judge God by mans standards? Mans standards are flawed. God is not. I have read my Bible and yea, we are to spread the message of Salvation. It is the rejection of this Message of the Gospel that condemns you.
@2cthetruth No, political pressure and popular action may save another. Praying to a fictional character achieves nothing.
As for your other comment. Nothing you have posted at all in this comments section contributes anything to an intelligent debate. All you have done is parrot scripture and delusional claims. One does not need to engage you on an intelligent level for the weakness of your argument to shine through. But i'm sure you've got some jeebus quote ready to answer this.
@Spiderpope Can you prove without a doubt God is "fictional?" What is the weakness of my argument? Lack of being able to help children as yourself to face the Truth you are scared of I suppose. Sigh.
@2cthetruth Burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim kiddo. You've presented no evidence, so why should i believe you.
As for being scared of the truth, currently i'm expecting oblivion when i die. It'd be nice to know theres an afterlife. But sadly just because something would be nice, make it true.
@2cthetruth Burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim kiddo. You've presented no evidence, so why should i believe you.
As for being scared of the truth, currently i'm expecting oblivion when i die. It'd be nice to know theres an afterlife. But sadly just because something would be nice, make it true.
@2cthetruth If you want to help people, put down your bible and go out there and actually help. Prayer does nothing, volunteering at a charity would actually help someone.
But i suspect you will ignore that option. Because its easier to say a few words and wish real hard that a magic man will do it for you.
@Spiderpope What do they say about assuming? Anyway, I do "go out there" and help people holistically everyday. It's part of my job. I also pray for people like you.
If the big bang really happened, it seems only logical to assume that the universe is shaped like a ball, or rather like an inflating balloon. However, if we are not inside the balloon, but on top of the 'flat' skin. Than we might experience a 3-dimensional reality, where there are only 2. This all is caused by the speed of inflation. See, only a moment ago we where still 'inside' the balloon, because it was smaller, and now we've grown away from that spot. Time is like a chain of moments.
I think the Universe is probably a big fat 4D mobius string. But to find evidence of that we would need to see multiple replicas of far far away galaxies, corresponding to each time the light circled around the mobius string. Or maybe I'm picturing it completly wrong... well I don't know... This breaks my mind completely.
after watching a very deep and thoughtful video look down into comments expecting some comment along the lines of "its sad there are some things that we can never find out" or something but no sadly religion made its way into the comments great >.<
All life has a starting point. God apparently does not. This is why I'm agnostic. Religion is flawed my friend ;) Science is as well, however, it certainly explains more about how we live and how things work than the bible ever could.
@Kraizer666 Alright.Some folks seem to have a hard time getting their mind around this. But what if there exists only one 'thing' and this 'one thing' is all there is? Wouldn't it mean that you and I, and the Milky Way and the numerous galaxys and eleven dimensions, and whatever more that may exist....are part of this 'one thing'. And what's the problem if some folks wants to call the 'one thing' 'God'? All one need to understand this is one braincell. Use it! ;-)
@gitaarman1956 Uhm, I think that's pantheism? The belief that everything is god? Yeah, we're talking about theism, the belief and worship of a higher controlling power.
@boochainletters12 Don't be to sure about that. Even if we ARE, say the eyes that the Sun uses to look at itself, or maybe if we are the consience of our solar system, This doesn't mean that there is not a central consience somewhere. For instance, does one braincell inside my head know that I am the central consience? Well, no!, but it does give me information. God may very well exist and master the universe, or may have created it.
@Kraizer666 So because you don't know everything about God you cast Him aside? Do you think God has to justify Himself to you? If yes, then I beg you to explain yourself to an ant. Do we exist to ants? They sure don't understand everything about us! And yes, science does explain how, but not all conclusively why.
@2cthetruth Damn right god needs to explain himself to me. The god of Christianity, Islam and Judaism is a depraved beast and does not DESERVE my worship. If I found a little boy repeatedly torturing a sentient colony of ants, and that those ants worshipped him, not out of fear but out of supposed "Love", I'd smack that little boy for twisting the minds of those creatures like he did. Absolutely disgusting.
@boochainletters12 We live in a fallen world. Bad things happen because of our sinful nature it's not God's fault. He does love us and longs for us to turn from our sin, trust in Christ and be saved. What in the Word of God (if you have read it) confuses you so much? Also, Yahweh is not the God of confusion. If you diligently seek Him, He will hear you and not keep His Self from you.
@2cthetruth The murder of over 2 million people for petty crimes such as collecting wood on the sabbath (Numbers 15:32-36) and for touching the ark (2 Samuels 6:6-7) for the purpose of stopping it from falling. He was protecting it, and killed for it. What justice. Entire cities slain, including babies and animals, by sword, for the sins of their parents or owners. I find such love confusing.
@2cthetruth You claim that God created us all. God is our original source, yes? So if he created us flawed or sinful, then condemns us for HIS FAULTS, how can you possibly call that loving?
@2cthetruth And if you're looking for a "Why" from the universe, I'm going to say it doesn't owe you one. If you ask me, you assign your own meaning to life. If you're looking for a "Why" to evolution and why it's brought you to this point, I'm going to say there was no why. It didn't intend to do it. It doesn't intend to do anything. Just like gravity doesn't intend to keep you on the surface of the Earth.
@2cthetruth Maybe you should take a page from the ants book. God smites 30,000 people personally in the bible for crimes that we commit. Try "smiting" a group of ants when they steal crumbs from you and see how they react
Hint - They go apeshit and either run/hide or attack you.
@boochainletters12 So your placing the blame on God for "smiting" people because they were the ones that were disobedient? He created us...without Him, we wouldn't even exist. Don't you think you owe Him for that?
@2cthetruth Given the way he treats us? Whatever we did owe him, we don't anymore. The punishments he gives for petty crimes, such as disobedience warranting a beating and/or death? Disgusting. Once you have created or assumed dominance over a group of anything that can experience suffering, you have a responsibility to take care of that group. Especially if it's sentient. You can't just claim that they have to love you because you sustained them once, whatever you do. Try it with parenting.
@2cthetruth Oh - and keep in mind that I'm playing this on your terms. I don't even believe this god exists, which is a point that renders all of this obsolete until you prove he is. Putting that aside, however, he still wouldn't deserve worship at all, he'd deserve total rejection until he redeemed himself.
Today's quantum phisics and astrology scares off religious people. You know like, 'if the cosmos is this huge and complex, than where is God?' I have good news. Don't worry people, God is in fact the only 'one' that really exists! All 'this' around us IS God. In fact we are all ONE. There is nothing besides God and the entire cosmos, including you and me, are only part of God's manifestation. That's the simple truth...WE ARE ALL ONE. Peace man, peace.
Demensions are created by atoms and originally there where 4 different demensions. The atoms were created by father time. The everlasting entity, or force. the demensions where placed in layers. From lowest to highest. Life started in the lowest demension (Hell/ demension of terror) Slowly, as understanding grew, life managed to work its way up through demensions. Father time dose not touch or show itself to life in any of the demensions. It lets life run freely.
@Spiderpope Evidence is nothing, my friend. Life could all be a dream for all we know, that could make all our "facts" not really fact. Nobody will ever know the truth until death. All we can do now is make up theories, which is fun, thats what I did:)
I believe that there is a wall of force/energy of some sort between our demension and higher and lower demensions. It's a wall that can't be passed through until death.
I think there is a place for both science and religion. Although i don't believe in creation over evolution, i do think that at the very beginning, whatever there was may very likely have been created
Some have said the big bang came from a super dense ball of energy. Where did the energy come from? Nomatter how far back you go, there is always the question, where did it come from? This i believe, not so much God creating us on earth. But him creating what we were made out of, at the very start
@NZJacobNZ You are out of date i'm afraid. Research by Dr Krauss and others has shown a vacuum can generate energy. No deity required. And god is not an answer. All that results is a change in the question to Who created god then?
@NZJacobNZ so then were did the God come from? even accepting that would only take the origin back one step more than just saying we don't know where the ball came from we wouldn't know where the god came from
@fromaginator1 If it was for us to know, He would have told us. Seeing He didn't tell us, why waste time trying to figure out what we cannot possibly know? Someday, when your knee bows to Him, ask.
@2cthetruth This very well may be the most offensive statement I've ever read, if we humans didn't go looking for answers about mysteries there would be no science there would be no technology I certainly wouldn't be able to communicate with you across the internet as I am now in fact as a 20 year old I'd be middle aged without the advances in technology the inquisitive nature of humans has brought about. I don't believe there is anything we can never know.
@cspark809 It is probably almost impossible to explain it in a youtube comment. But there are some very good videos on this site, trying to give an explanation.
dont you think you guys will ever make something that can zoom as much as it please???? it will happen is it possible i understand it could be in the next 5000 years just i want us to able to make it happen.
Who can completely take in what God in Christ has created? If there were a boundary, what lies beyond that?..and so on. If man cannot fathom our own universe, how can some say that there is no God, as evidence of Him is all around us?
@SuperRustyTrumbone The Tooth fairy is imaginary. Why? There is no evidence one exists (by consensus). As far as God's existence, it has been experienced by MILLIONS of people. There is evidence in that everything from the intricate workings of the human body, to the exactness of our planets distance to the sun to sustain life, to the mind boggling vastness of space. Our existence is no accident. Man with all his knowledge cannot create life from dirt, but God did!
Experiences is not evidence. Thousands experienced Zeus, witnessed Allah, felt Vishnu, etc. And the rest of your mumbling is unfalsifiable and therefore faulty.
@GodOfTheInternets Experience is evidence if the event really happens and is not fabricated. Thousands have "experienced" the false gods you speak of through hysterical means, not because those figures are real. Proof..Hmm.. aside from all of the prophecy's that have come to pass that The Lord has written in the Bible (even the history channel proves them through archeology digs, look into it), You'll have to read the Bible an pray He draws you to Him. God Bless
@SuperRustyTrumbone No, it is not. I don't believe in religion, only what the Bible teaches. Why follow the Bible? It is Gods Holy Word and there is power in the Word of God. In the Bible you can read what you must do to have Salvation.
@2cthetruth Sigh. One cannot follow the Bible and claim to not follow a religion.
The bible is not gods word, it was written because the church leaders at the time were faced with a choice: Either codify their beliefs and doctrine and have complete control of whats in it, or risk someone else doing it and losing control. It is demonstrable that it has been heavily edited over centuries, if it were the work of a god, one would expect it to be perfect right off the bat.
@Spiderpope Ok, Prove it (sounds familiar doesn't it). Remember, the Church was not authorized until New Testament times and then, it was established by Christ Himself. How do you explain the Torah which was 5000 yrs. in the making in the absence of any church? Name one book that survived as long as the Holy Manuscripts. Point being, God preserved His Word. BTW, how is it flawed?
@2cthetruth And thats not even bringing up the hundreds of Holy books that have claimed to be the true path to salvation. Why should i believe the christian doctrine to be correct? It'd be just as sensible to place my faith in Horus or Ra.
@2cthetruth Nope, most of them are older. And your amazingly "old" book was first written in the first century AD. We have cookery books older than that. As for prophecy, well jee whizz isnt amazing how the bible predicted events that took place before it was written. How on earth did those amazing writers manage to write a prophecy about a messiah a century after he supposedly appeared. Such foresight.
@Spiderpope Nope, before it was "compiled" in the first century AD, it was written in a collection well before. Christ was prophesied to be the Deliverer thousands of years before His birth. Your sources are flawed. Israel has been established as the Bible prophesied. So according to your statement, the Bible was written in 1948? Such idiocy.
@2cthetruth And if age is all you want to base a belief on, Ra and Horus predate christian mythology by several millenia, so i should really worship them not Yahweh, after all they came first, it would be rude not to.
BTW, the Bible isnt even internally consistent. Look into it.
@Spiderpope You forgot to mention that the Vedas and belief in Vishnu are not only predominant among 900 million Indians, it also predates christianity by 3 thousand yrs.
@2cthetruth That's impressive, foretold in the Old Testament 2500 years before the Old Testament was written. Believe whatever fairytales you want but for the love of jeebus do some actual historical research before spouting out dates, because you are making yourself look like a buffoon.
@Spiderpope My goodness, it is hard to follow someone who makes little sense as you. What are you talking about when you say, "foretold in the Old Testament 2500 years before the Old Testament was written?" It makes no sense as if you read my posts, I never stated what you just did. Good luck, I'll pray for you.
@Spiderpope You are the funny one! The "man" of this conversation with all of the explanations and answers. You must feel so smart and witty, etc! Your response interpreted: "I can't understand and am not willing to hold intelligent debate, so I'll resort to my childhood mind posting some really funny stuff that will make me appear as a man to all of my electronic friends."
@2cthetruth and your response interpreted "I've been brainwashed into believing this crap, but occasionally my rationality breaks through and retreats in horror from what i've been saying. So quick project my feelings of inadequacy onto another poster to distract attention and flee back into my magic dreamland where i am super special because a magic man loves me for doing nothing"
@Spiderpope Did you come up with that all by yourself?.. Your so intelligent. Teach us all your ways so we may know the path not to travel. "Magic man," you silly, ignorant man. Soon you will see the hard way and I am not happy about it. I'll pray for you spidey.
@Spiderpope Oh, got a live one here! Oh Spidey, I'm not lashing out at all! I am not making "hell" threats either as no threat is from me, but from rejecting the Word of God. And no voice of doubt here either. I can't doubt what I know to be true.
@2cthetruth No it wasn't. There wouldn't be Jews it had been. Hindus claim their religion is 10.000 years old. Read "The Bible Unearthed" and read anything written by orthodox Jews to justify their adherence to the old testament.
@Spiderpope It's not all... What has stood the test of time, wars, genocide, famines, and all the calamities that have befallen us over the years? Oh, the Word of God. ra and horus failed..know why? the people figured out they were made up. Fake.
@2cthetruth Actually that's not why they failed at all. It's clear your understanding of general history is as limited as your knowledge of the history of the bible. Horus, Ra and the rest of the Egyptian pantheon fell out of general use when the Romans began to exert their influence on the region. Oh and just so you know there are still active religions worshipping that particular pantheon.
@Spiderpope In your opening statement, you admit they failed. In your closing statement, you state it is still active. The garbage in the middle, well is garbage.
@Spiderpope Point out the inconsistencies. I know, I'll give you plenty of time to search online because God knows you haven't read the Bible yourself.
@2cthetruth I've read the bible and prayed. I still have my bible right here in fact. "New world translation of the Holy Scriptures." Not my original bible, but still a bible nonetheless. You just asserted that thousands have experienced false gods through hysteria. What makes your god any more credible?
@2cthetruth The only reason you think that is because you don't do any research on this kind of stuff and if you ever did, you wouldn't take the scientific evidence to thought as you are in denile of reality. I know that the odds of us being here are very very slim but i don't think you have an idea of how big the universe is and how many stars there are for planets to orbit.
If you truly believe theres an afterlife then atheist can apologise to you and god there.
@SuperRustyTrumbone Read my post below. There is scientific evidence of God. The evidence is all around you, me, everybody! Look at all of the Biblical prophecy's that have come to pass. No other false religions had ANY prophecy come to pass, yet the Bible is full of them, past and present. No body needs to apologize to me now or later. Although you will have to answer to God and by then it will be too late. Pray in faith, in Christ, and I can guarantee God will answer you..moreover, Save you.
@2cthetruth Even if i wanted to get into the religion it is literaly impossible for me to pray with faith as if i believe in god because i honestly cannot do that even if i wanted to.
I can't think something is real if there is no reason for me to think that.
And when you say he 'saves me' are you talking about saving me from hell, because i don't think i deserve eternity in hell, nor does Hitler or even Josiph Stalin, nobody deserves to burn forever.
@SuperRustyTrumbone I'm not asking you to get involved in a "religion," only to research to come to an understanding of the Truth. There is reason for you to KNOW He is real! Just pray one time. Get to someplace where you are alone, and Ask God if He, by His Mercy, will reveal Himself to you in someway that you cannot deny Him any longer. Having "faith," is "to put yourself out there." I guarantee, He will hear you and not leave you without answer. You have nothing to lose.
@SuperRustyTrumbone I have an idea. If you would like, I will type up my experience as a testimony and send it to you or anyone else who wants to know how I came to know God is real. I can't do it until next week because of work, but I will do it. Just let me know.
@SuperRustyTrumbone I won't push anything, just present what I have. I have faith that God will do the rest! I will contact you next Tuesday in the afternoon as I'll be working until then. On a side note, I'm happy that you are at least inquisitive. God Bless and I'll contact you Tuesday.
@2cthetruth So it is up to god to choose if i will remain atheist or be saved? If so, what is the point in earth if it is not for testing a mans faith.
@2cthetruth So it's not about assuming he's real that gets you into heaven, it's just wanting to know if he's real and know that you'd respect him if you knew he was real? like me.
@SuperRustyTrumbone Getting there. If you seek Him diligently, I guarantee you He will act upon your heart and lead you to Heaven. You must first believe on His Son, Jesus Christ and that He died for your sins, but first, you must seek Him then the rest will be revealed to you. You have absolutely nothing to lose. If He doesn't somehow show you how much He loves you after you inquire about Him, just come back here, label me a liar and go about your life.
@SuperRustyTrumbone You see, God is already working in you, giving you wisdom. You're statement is rational and correct. I am praying for you as I type this. God Bless, and I will contact you Tuesday evening to send you my testimony. Remember, I at one time was an unbeliever too, and as you will see from my testimony, you'd never think I would be the type to come to love God.
@2cthetruth lol what a retard. We're talking about science here, not magic and fairies, take your bullshit over to a religious video and let the people are capable of thinking for themselves think about things that matter, and not your ridiculous fairy tales.
@a3th3r I am not talking about magic either! I am however talking about the One who created us, science, and everything else. Tell me my friend, what about anything you think really matters? I mean to say, that when you die everything you came to realize and "think" will surely die with you. And if a thought escapes your head and enters another, it still won't matter cause you will be dead. That is why you need the Truth and that Truth is Christ and He is Life!
@2cthetruth To me, it's the fact that it isn't permanent and eternal that gives it meaning.
Look at it this way - Would you still find diamonds valuable if you had infinite diamonds? They'd be worthless, because they require nothing to get.
In the same way, if you have infinite life, it makes this life... empty. Worthless. But if you only have 75 odd years on this Earth (If you're lucky) Then you want to make the most of the time you have.
@boochainletters12 God sets the standards of Perfection, Holiness, not man. In all that you have said, you constrain God and hold Him accountable to common mans interpretation of what right and wrong is, and as you know, that varies from person to person, culture to culture. God set the Laws according to what He knows Righteousness to be. Can man fathom God and what He does? No. Can a child fathom his/her parents reasoning's? no. We are the children and God is the Father.
@boochainletters12 Children don't understand why parents say "no you cannot do this or that," only that they cannot do some things at the risk of punishment. The same is with us and God. He says "You cannot do this or that," you say, "well that isn't fair, because I don't understand." We need to grow, as a child needs to grow in the way he/she is taught by their parents, so in hopes of one day understanding the "why" of it all. Again, God is not common man.
@boochainletters12 How can you place the value of life as in your analogy? I tell you this, none of us have experienced life until we come to the knowledge of Christ. Indefinite life with the One who created you is the goal. What does it profit you to "make the most of this life" if all you do is in vain and dies with you? I tell you this, after this life your soul will go on, and one of the places it goes will not be good. Think about that.
@2cthetruth pretty sure I told you to fuck off and talk about your magical fairies to some other deluded morons, not that I wanted to talk to you about magic. You're a waste of my time, go away, fucking retard.
@a3th3r Well, good morning sunshine! Who's the grumpy potty mouth this morning? You see, I can't go away until my time is up, and if I were a wast of your time, you wouldn't have responded in the first place.. right? Guess what? Christ died even for potty mouths!
@genandnic No, because God says so. The Bible is a book. It in itself cannot Save you, but the Words written therein are Gods promises to us and lead to Life. When you are Saved, there is the Presence of the Holy Spirit of God that will indwell within you, and that I guarantee you will feel. You do not feel Him now because of your closed mind and mockery of things you do not understand.
@2cthetruth Making assertions that a) there is a god and b) it's the god in the bible and that the proof of this is the bible itself doesn't convince me at all.
@2cthetruth God has been experienced by millions of people, yes. But every one of them experiences a different god, and most gods have been discarded. Due to the track record of god, I'm going to go ahead and say he's a psychological construct. The intricate workings of the human body have been explained without a god. The vastness of space has been explained in part without a god.
@boochainletters12 Ok, lets test what is known, and get back to me with the answer because I don't know anything. The human body consists of (big to small) the organism, organs, tissues, cells, molecules, atoms. In this we learn atoms are the smallest particle in the human body (we could go smaller, I know). Which then of all the inanimate atoms and molecules in our bodies contain life in and of themselves? Intricate workings of the human body explained?.. don't think so.
@2cthetruth You define life as something contained within our tissues? I don't. I'd define it as a group of tissues that collectively demonstrate the five "requirements" for life. Metabolism, Growth, Adaption, Response (To stimuli) and Reproduction. If it doesn't reproduce, it's not life. If it doesn't metabolise, it's not life. Atoms aren't life, organisms are alive.
@boochainletters12 Come on, you must understand where I was coming from! Where is life in the human body if we are made up of inanimate atoms and molecules? Atoms and molecules themselves do not contain life, so where does life come from? You stated previously that science had worked out the intricacies of the human body, and yet science cannot give inanimate objects life...only God can.
@machine7elves If man cannot fathom the universe, how can some say there is no God? Where did the elements come from? They just were always there; formed themselves? Someone had to create them don't you think? I mean man with all of his knowledge and technology can't create anything from nothingness.
@2cthetruth Why is it an intelligent being with a personality? Moreover, why is it YOUR intelligent being with a personality? It could have been a magical spark that set it off and that would be just as viable.
@2cthetruth Youguys(Creation Theists) really should get together and learn all the logical phallicies and how to avoid them. That is a textbook argument from ignorance.
Not being able to fathom something means that we cannot make conclusions about it. Seeing as we are on a tiny rock orbiting a tiny star among trillions in a gallaxy among billions, us fathoming the universe is not likely. That in no reasonable way leads us to conclude everything by believing in magic.
@madmiguelh2o It's not believing in magic. Humble yourself and tell the Lord you are sorry for your sins. Accept Christ as your Savior. Ask then after you seek that God give you a sign that you might believe. I guarantee if your heart is right, He will as He did for me show you what you need to know and do.
@2cthetruth I once believed that too. Then I figured out it was just my mind. What would you call creating the universe out of nothing, if not magic? And don't just apply a different name to it, like creation. Creating it using... what?
SuperrustyTrombone, check your channel comments.
2cthetruth 56 minutes ago
@2cthetruth
There's nothing wrong with me being Agnostic. Therefore saying sorry is rather rude.
Kraizer666 1 hour ago
@Kraizer666 I didn't mean to offend you! Here, you are a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience. You by definition are also a disbeliever, nonbeliever, unbeliever, doubter, skeptic, secularist, empiricist, heathen, heretic, infidel, pagan. You don't see anything wrong with that? How do you draw upon this as fact when God Himself gave you life?
2cthetruth 1 hour ago
Lol, at first glance i thought it said redshit
PenguinShowcase 6 hours ago
Name of song in the intro?
LschulzN 9 hours ago
@2cthetruth
I follow my own ways. I cannot follow blindly. I am a man of answers. However, thank you.
Kraizer666 10 hours ago
@Kraizer666 Sorry to hear that and you are welcome.
2cthetruth 6 hours ago
@2cthetruth
I have in fact tried in the past. You didn't think I was Agnostic for no reason did you? If I was convinced he was here, I would completely seek him and turn from my sin. However, it seems to be he is not. I have searched, and not found.
Religion is faulty and hypocritical. However, I will not take away someones rights to believe in what they want. I even support anyone trying to be involved with religious communities. So, for now, "God" does not know my heart. Only I do.
Kraizer666 12 hours ago
@Kraizer666 I agree on the religion part. As for the rest I have to say, don't give up! Keep searching and pray! Pray diligently that the Way be revealed to you. There is time as long as breath remains in your body. Read your Bible and in prayer, hold Him accountable for the promises He has made. "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe." You don't have to see, you will feel. I can say that because I feel Him and know He is with me. Don't quit!
2cthetruth 11 hours ago
your conclusions always send shivers down my spine!! keep it up!! :D
elfantasticolorenzo 1 day ago
it must be infinite
gerthie 1 day ago
2 words:
FUCK RELIGION
sitejs123 1 day ago
@sitejs123 No need to be so rude, you seem to have an extremely simple mind. People can believe what they want.
mynameisandrew962 1 day ago
@sitejs123 I agree. There is only One Way to Heaven and that Way is not the religions of this world.
2cthetruth 18 hours ago
@2cthetruth
If you had read my comment just a little bit better, you would know I do not cast him aside. That would make me an Atheist, not an Agnostic. Nothing wrong with either one.
Yes, God has to justify him/her/itself in order to me to completely convert.
By that logic, why do you believe in him? After all, you have nothing to lose. If God loves everyone as it is claimed, God would understand you wanting to find the truth. We humans are capable of a higher thinking, ants are not.
Kraizer666 1 day ago
@Kraizer666 Why don't you ask Him to show you something; anything so that by showing you, you will have no doubt that He is God. Let me ask you something. If you were convinced He was there, would you seek Him diligently and turn from your sin? Would you then accept Christ as your Savior? You don't have to answer me, because it matters to God, and He knows your heart.
2cthetruth 18 hours ago
@gitaarman1956
Well, here's the thing. It's easier to say God created everything, and is everything. Then leave it like that. It's called the easy way out of things. It it far from a simple concept, at least to those who wonder about our existence.
I guess society has you wrapped up good.
Kraizer666 1 day ago
Pastor Youcef, a muslim convert to Christianity, father, and husband, is awaiting execution in iran for the "crime" of converting to Christianity. He is able to be set free if he renounces Christ and reinstates the muslim doctrine in his life. He states that "he cannot." Here is made manifest the Power and Existence of God, that this man would give up his son, wife, family, and life because the Truth was made known to him. He cannot deny Christ for he cannot deny the Truth. Please pray for him!
2cthetruth 1 day ago
@2cthetruth Meanwhile thousands of people convert back and forth between Christianity and Islam and you just don't care. As well as Buddhism and every other major religion out there.
Plus, thousands of people out there who are simply born into the wrong geographical location and never have a chance to hear of Christ. They are condemned to hell for not worshipping your god. Children die of disease every day without hearing of Christ, and they burn for it. Your religion teaches this. Oh the power.
boochainletters12 1 day ago
@boochainletters12 Oh the Power! If you would read your Bible, you would learn that Yahweh is a Just God. Christ died for all mans sins, not just some. You go to hell if you reject Christ. Those who have never heard, never had a chance to accept or deny Christ, so in that, what do you say a Just God would do?
2cthetruth 18 hours ago
@2cthetruth I would learn that Yahweh claims to be a just god, but by our standards, he is infinitely injust. And if you would read your bible, you would learn that the entire point of spreading the word of Christ is to "save the infidels" from hell. Why would they need saving if they wouldn't go to hell?
Lets look at this another way. My name is Anthony. I'm single, and looking for a girl prepared for a serious, long term relationship. My friend, Catherine, tells me about her friend, Gloria.
boochainletters12 14 hours ago
@boochainletters12 Catherine describes Gloria to me. Gloria is intelligent, dedicated and hardworking. She has all the qualities that I am looking for in a woman, and Catherine assures me that she is beautiful too. I'm interested in this Gloria, and ask to see a picture of her. Catherine tells me that Gloria doesn't want a man who needs to see a picture of her before she dates them, that she needs a man who's willing to go on her personality.
boochainletters12 14 hours ago
@boochainletters12 So I'm a little confused, but decide to put it aside. Next I ask Catherine if I can have Glorias number, so that I can at least talk to her and see if she's interested in going on a date. Again, Catherine tells me that she can't give me Glorias number, because Gloria trusts Catherine to set her up with a good man.
boochainletters12 14 hours ago
@boochainletters12 Now at this point, Gloria sounds way too good to be true, and I'm having my doubts about going on a blind date with her. So I tell Catherine I'd like to at least hear from or meet Gloria before I go on a date with her.
In this instance, has Gloria been rejected? I wouldn't say so at all. I just don't think that my friend has given an accurate detail of her, if indeed there is a Gloria. All it would take on Glorias part is to send me an email, or let me make contact with her.
boochainletters12 14 hours ago
@boochainletters12 And I would then be comfortable in the knowledge that she is who my friend claims she is.
Transfer this same metaphor/situation to Christianity
I am an Atheist. My friend is a Christian, and they tell me that God is perfect, all loving, responsible for all that is good in the world. That he will grant me eternal paradise if only I accept his son as my lord and saviour. I say - "Great! Can I speak to God?"
boochainletters12 14 hours ago
@boochainletters12 And my Christian friend tells me, well no. God doesn't talk to us directly any more. But hey, here's his book. I look at the book and say - "Well, how do you know it was written by God?" and they tell me "It says so, right there in the book." to which I reply "Well, so do all these other scriptures. Is there another way I can contact God at all?" and again, I'm told "No, no you cannot."
boochainletters12 14 hours ago
@boochainletters12 At this point I'm going to tell my Christian friend "Sorry, but I don't think that your God is accurately described. The book you've given me details the misadventures of a sadistic power freak, which doesn't really click with what you tell me about him. I'm not going to worship the God you've described to me because it simply doesn't fit reality."
At this point, has God been rejected? Not at all. My friend has given an unrealistic portrayal, and insufficient reason to believe
boochainletters12 14 hours ago
@boochainletters12 How can man judge God by mans standards? Mans standards are flawed. God is not. I have read my Bible and yea, we are to spread the message of Salvation. It is the rejection of this Message of the Gospel that condemns you.
2cthetruth 12 hours ago
@2cthetruth Why? It won't accomplish anything. Now if you asked us to write to our embassies in Iran, that might actually achieve something.
Spiderpope 1 day ago
@Spiderpope It may not accomplish anything in you, but it may save another.
2cthetruth 18 hours ago
@2cthetruth No, political pressure and popular action may save another. Praying to a fictional character achieves nothing.
As for your other comment. Nothing you have posted at all in this comments section contributes anything to an intelligent debate. All you have done is parrot scripture and delusional claims. One does not need to engage you on an intelligent level for the weakness of your argument to shine through. But i'm sure you've got some jeebus quote ready to answer this.
Spiderpope 9 hours ago
@Spiderpope Can you prove without a doubt God is "fictional?" What is the weakness of my argument? Lack of being able to help children as yourself to face the Truth you are scared of I suppose. Sigh.
2cthetruth 6 hours ago
@2cthetruth Burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim kiddo. You've presented no evidence, so why should i believe you.
As for being scared of the truth, currently i'm expecting oblivion when i die. It'd be nice to know theres an afterlife. But sadly just because something would be nice, make it true.
Spiderpope 6 hours ago
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@2cthetruth Burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim kiddo. You've presented no evidence, so why should i believe you.
As for being scared of the truth, currently i'm expecting oblivion when i die. It'd be nice to know theres an afterlife. But sadly just because something would be nice, make it true.
Spiderpope 6 hours ago
@2cthetruth If you want to help people, put down your bible and go out there and actually help. Prayer does nothing, volunteering at a charity would actually help someone.
But i suspect you will ignore that option. Because its easier to say a few words and wish real hard that a magic man will do it for you.
Spiderpope 6 hours ago
@Spiderpope What do they say about assuming? Anyway, I do "go out there" and help people holistically everyday. It's part of my job. I also pray for people like you.
2cthetruth 6 hours ago
@2cthetruth "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Spiderpope 5 hours ago
If the big bang really happened, it seems only logical to assume that the universe is shaped like a ball, or rather like an inflating balloon. However, if we are not inside the balloon, but on top of the 'flat' skin. Than we might experience a 3-dimensional reality, where there are only 2. This all is caused by the speed of inflation. See, only a moment ago we where still 'inside' the balloon, because it was smaller, and now we've grown away from that spot. Time is like a chain of moments.
gitaarman1956 1 day ago
I think the Universe is probably a big fat 4D mobius string. But to find evidence of that we would need to see multiple replicas of far far away galaxies, corresponding to each time the light circled around the mobius string. Or maybe I'm picturing it completly wrong... well I don't know... This breaks my mind completely.
T0B0KKE 1 day ago
@T0B0KKE String theory says that the universe is 11D. I think we have deteched via atom smashers that it is at least 5D.
Rogersmith026 1 day ago
after watching a very deep and thoughtful video look down into comments expecting some comment along the lines of "its sad there are some things that we can never find out" or something but no sadly religion made its way into the comments great >.<
alexanderhulse 1 day ago
@gitaarman1956
All life has a starting point. God apparently does not. This is why I'm agnostic. Religion is flawed my friend ;) Science is as well, however, it certainly explains more about how we live and how things work than the bible ever could.
Kraizer666 2 days ago 2
@Kraizer666 Alright.Some folks seem to have a hard time getting their mind around this. But what if there exists only one 'thing' and this 'one thing' is all there is? Wouldn't it mean that you and I, and the Milky Way and the numerous galaxys and eleven dimensions, and whatever more that may exist....are part of this 'one thing'. And what's the problem if some folks wants to call the 'one thing' 'God'? All one need to understand this is one braincell. Use it! ;-)
gitaarman1956 1 day ago
@gitaarman1956 Uhm, I think that's pantheism? The belief that everything is god? Yeah, we're talking about theism, the belief and worship of a higher controlling power.
boochainletters12 1 day ago
@boochainletters12 Don't be to sure about that. Even if we ARE, say the eyes that the Sun uses to look at itself, or maybe if we are the consience of our solar system, This doesn't mean that there is not a central consience somewhere. For instance, does one braincell inside my head know that I am the central consience? Well, no!, but it does give me information. God may very well exist and master the universe, or may have created it.
gitaarman1956 1 day ago
@Kraizer666 So because you don't know everything about God you cast Him aside? Do you think God has to justify Himself to you? If yes, then I beg you to explain yourself to an ant. Do we exist to ants? They sure don't understand everything about us! And yes, science does explain how, but not all conclusively why.
2cthetruth 1 day ago
@2cthetruth Damn right god needs to explain himself to me. The god of Christianity, Islam and Judaism is a depraved beast and does not DESERVE my worship. If I found a little boy repeatedly torturing a sentient colony of ants, and that those ants worshipped him, not out of fear but out of supposed "Love", I'd smack that little boy for twisting the minds of those creatures like he did. Absolutely disgusting.
boochainletters12 1 day ago
@boochainletters12 We live in a fallen world. Bad things happen because of our sinful nature it's not God's fault. He does love us and longs for us to turn from our sin, trust in Christ and be saved. What in the Word of God (if you have read it) confuses you so much? Also, Yahweh is not the God of confusion. If you diligently seek Him, He will hear you and not keep His Self from you.
2cthetruth 18 hours ago
@2cthetruth The murder of over 2 million people for petty crimes such as collecting wood on the sabbath (Numbers 15:32-36) and for touching the ark (2 Samuels 6:6-7) for the purpose of stopping it from falling. He was protecting it, and killed for it. What justice. Entire cities slain, including babies and animals, by sword, for the sins of their parents or owners. I find such love confusing.
boochainletters12 14 hours ago
@2cthetruth You claim that God created us all. God is our original source, yes? So if he created us flawed or sinful, then condemns us for HIS FAULTS, how can you possibly call that loving?
boochainletters12 14 hours ago
@2cthetruth And if you're looking for a "Why" from the universe, I'm going to say it doesn't owe you one. If you ask me, you assign your own meaning to life. If you're looking for a "Why" to evolution and why it's brought you to this point, I'm going to say there was no why. It didn't intend to do it. It doesn't intend to do anything. Just like gravity doesn't intend to keep you on the surface of the Earth.
boochainletters12 1 day ago
@boochainletters12 The universe can't give me a "why" anyway...it's not alive, but God is.
2cthetruth 18 hours ago
@2cthetruth Maybe you should take a page from the ants book. God smites 30,000 people personally in the bible for crimes that we commit. Try "smiting" a group of ants when they steal crumbs from you and see how they react
Hint - They go apeshit and either run/hide or attack you.
boochainletters12 1 day ago
@boochainletters12 So your placing the blame on God for "smiting" people because they were the ones that were disobedient? He created us...without Him, we wouldn't even exist. Don't you think you owe Him for that?
2cthetruth 18 hours ago
@2cthetruth Given the way he treats us? Whatever we did owe him, we don't anymore. The punishments he gives for petty crimes, such as disobedience warranting a beating and/or death? Disgusting. Once you have created or assumed dominance over a group of anything that can experience suffering, you have a responsibility to take care of that group. Especially if it's sentient. You can't just claim that they have to love you because you sustained them once, whatever you do. Try it with parenting.
boochainletters12 14 hours ago
@2cthetruth Oh - and keep in mind that I'm playing this on your terms. I don't even believe this god exists, which is a point that renders all of this obsolete until you prove he is. Putting that aside, however, he still wouldn't deserve worship at all, he'd deserve total rejection until he redeemed himself.
boochainletters12 14 hours ago
Today's quantum phisics and astrology scares off religious people. You know like, 'if the cosmos is this huge and complex, than where is God?' I have good news. Don't worry people, God is in fact the only 'one' that really exists! All 'this' around us IS God. In fact we are all ONE. There is nothing besides God and the entire cosmos, including you and me, are only part of God's manifestation. That's the simple truth...WE ARE ALL ONE. Peace man, peace.
gitaarman1956 2 days ago
@gitaarman1956 what the fuck are you talking about ? smh
rollinonice 1 day ago
@rollinonice About the fact that if people would be a bit more polite to one another, this world would be a better place to be.
gitaarman1956 1 day ago
Demensions are created by atoms and originally there where 4 different demensions. The atoms were created by father time. The everlasting entity, or force. the demensions where placed in layers. From lowest to highest. Life started in the lowest demension (Hell/ demension of terror) Slowly, as understanding grew, life managed to work its way up through demensions. Father time dose not touch or show itself to life in any of the demensions. It lets life run freely.
mynameisandrew962 3 days ago
@mynameisandrew962 What an interesting story. But that's all it is, a story. Unless you have some evidence to actually back this up?
Spiderpope 1 day ago
@Spiderpope Evidence is nothing, my friend. Life could all be a dream for all we know, that could make all our "facts" not really fact. Nobody will ever know the truth until death. All we can do now is make up theories, which is fun, thats what I did:)
mynameisandrew962 1 day ago
@Spiderpope There are limitless possibilities for whats out there, I was just creating one.
mynameisandrew962 1 day ago
@mynameisandrew962 So you made shit up and told people to believe it. Congratulations, you've made a religion!
Oh and i have no time for solipsism so please don't try peddling that crap to me.
Spiderpope 23 hours ago
I believe that there is a wall of force/energy of some sort between our demension and higher and lower demensions. It's a wall that can't be passed through until death.
mynameisandrew962 3 days ago
I think its like walking a route with 100 ways to go you can make endless tracks by combining the routes how you can walk it!! so theres infinity
Arnoud1987000 3 days ago
God damn I'm so pissed I'll die without knowing
yoransom 3 days ago
LIKE THE IT BUBBLE BURST, IT EXPANDS TO BURST. THE END OF UNIVERSE.
Haridasrao369 4 days ago
That was the most elaborate "I don't know" I've ever heard.
MutinyKris 4 days ago 2
I think there is a place for both science and religion. Although i don't believe in creation over evolution, i do think that at the very beginning, whatever there was may very likely have been created
Some have said the big bang came from a super dense ball of energy. Where did the energy come from? Nomatter how far back you go, there is always the question, where did it come from? This i believe, not so much God creating us on earth. But him creating what we were made out of, at the very start
NZJacobNZ 4 days ago
@NZJacobNZ You are out of date i'm afraid. Research by Dr Krauss and others has shown a vacuum can generate energy. No deity required. And god is not an answer. All that results is a change in the question to Who created god then?
Spiderpope 4 days ago
@NZJacobNZ so then were did the God come from? even accepting that would only take the origin back one step more than just saying we don't know where the ball came from we wouldn't know where the god came from
fromaginator1 4 days ago
@fromaginator1 If it was for us to know, He would have told us. Seeing He didn't tell us, why waste time trying to figure out what we cannot possibly know? Someday, when your knee bows to Him, ask.
2cthetruth 3 days ago
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fromaginator1 3 days ago
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@2cthetruth This very well may be the most offensive statement I've ever read, if we humans didn't go looking for answers about mysteries there would be no science there would be no technology I certainly wouldn't be able to communicate with you across the internet as I am now in fact as a 20 year old I'd be middle aged without the advances in technology the inquisitive nature of humans has brought about. I don't believe there is anything we can never know.
fromaginator1 3 days ago
I'm ashamed that I've never asked this question...
coviox 5 days ago
too difficult to understand. Can somebody explain to me easily what general relativity is?
cspark809 5 days ago
@cspark809 It is probably almost impossible to explain it in a youtube comment. But there are some very good videos on this site, trying to give an explanation.
Thetarget1 4 days ago
GREAT MUSIC!!
allenkim 5 days ago
/watch?v=AjZ6bvCT4Fk&feature=colike
DanielGannage 5 days ago
dont you think you guys will ever make something that can zoom as much as it please???? it will happen is it possible i understand it could be in the next 5000 years just i want us to able to make it happen.
Residentevilfan500 5 days ago
Who can completely take in what God in Christ has created? If there were a boundary, what lies beyond that?..and so on. If man cannot fathom our own universe, how can some say that there is no God, as evidence of Him is all around us?
2cthetruth 5 days ago
@2cthetruth How can some say that there is no tooth fairy?
There is no difference between that question and yours.
What do you mean by "as evidence of Him is all around us?"
SuperRustyTrumbone 5 days ago
@SuperRustyTrumbone The Tooth fairy is imaginary. Why? There is no evidence one exists (by consensus). As far as God's existence, it has been experienced by MILLIONS of people. There is evidence in that everything from the intricate workings of the human body, to the exactness of our planets distance to the sun to sustain life, to the mind boggling vastness of space. Our existence is no accident. Man with all his knowledge cannot create life from dirt, but God did!
2cthetruth 5 days ago
@2cthetruth dumb ass
L0ngB0ard99 4 days ago
@L0ngB0ard99 In some things, as are you.
2cthetruth 4 days ago
@2cthetruth
Experiences is not evidence. Thousands experienced Zeus, witnessed Allah, felt Vishnu, etc. And the rest of your mumbling is unfalsifiable and therefore faulty.
GodOfTheInternets 4 days ago
@GodOfTheInternets Experience is evidence if the event really happens and is not fabricated. Thousands have "experienced" the false gods you speak of through hysterical means, not because those figures are real. Proof..Hmm.. aside from all of the prophecy's that have come to pass that The Lord has written in the Bible (even the history channel proves them through archeology digs, look into it), You'll have to read the Bible an pray He draws you to Him. God Bless
2cthetruth 4 days ago
@2cthetruth The feeling you get when you say "he draws you to him" is just you getting obsessed with a religion.
SuperRustyTrumbone 4 days ago 2
@SuperRustyTrumbone No, it is not. I don't believe in religion, only what the Bible teaches. Why follow the Bible? It is Gods Holy Word and there is power in the Word of God. In the Bible you can read what you must do to have Salvation.
2cthetruth 4 days ago
@2cthetruth Sigh. One cannot follow the Bible and claim to not follow a religion.
The bible is not gods word, it was written because the church leaders at the time were faced with a choice: Either codify their beliefs and doctrine and have complete control of whats in it, or risk someone else doing it and losing control. It is demonstrable that it has been heavily edited over centuries, if it were the work of a god, one would expect it to be perfect right off the bat.
Spiderpope 4 days ago
@Spiderpope Ok, Prove it (sounds familiar doesn't it). Remember, the Church was not authorized until New Testament times and then, it was established by Christ Himself. How do you explain the Torah which was 5000 yrs. in the making in the absence of any church? Name one book that survived as long as the Holy Manuscripts. Point being, God preserved His Word. BTW, how is it flawed?
2cthetruth 3 days ago
@2cthetruth And thats not even bringing up the hundreds of Holy books that have claimed to be the true path to salvation. Why should i believe the christian doctrine to be correct? It'd be just as sensible to place my faith in Horus or Ra.
Spiderpope 4 days ago
@Spiderpope None of the books you mention are as old, consistent, or contain ANY prophecy that has come to pass. Look into it.
2cthetruth 3 days ago
@2cthetruth Nope, most of them are older. And your amazingly "old" book was first written in the first century AD. We have cookery books older than that. As for prophecy, well jee whizz isnt amazing how the bible predicted events that took place before it was written. How on earth did those amazing writers manage to write a prophecy about a messiah a century after he supposedly appeared. Such foresight.
Spiderpope 3 days ago
@Spiderpope Nope, before it was "compiled" in the first century AD, it was written in a collection well before. Christ was prophesied to be the Deliverer thousands of years before His birth. Your sources are flawed. Israel has been established as the Bible prophesied. So according to your statement, the Bible was written in 1948? Such idiocy.
2cthetruth 2 days ago
@2cthetruth And if age is all you want to base a belief on, Ra and Horus predate christian mythology by several millenia, so i should really worship them not Yahweh, after all they came first, it would be rude not to.
BTW, the Bible isnt even internally consistent. Look into it.
Spiderpope 3 days ago
@Spiderpope You forgot to mention that the Vedas and belief in Vishnu are not only predominant among 900 million Indians, it also predates christianity by 3 thousand yrs.
saguhh00 3 days ago
@saguhh00 Christianity was foretold in the Old Testament...5000 yrs. ago.
2cthetruth 2 days ago
@2cthetruth That's impressive, foretold in the Old Testament 2500 years before the Old Testament was written. Believe whatever fairytales you want but for the love of jeebus do some actual historical research before spouting out dates, because you are making yourself look like a buffoon.
Spiderpope 2 days ago
@Spiderpope My goodness, it is hard to follow someone who makes little sense as you. What are you talking about when you say, "foretold in the Old Testament 2500 years before the Old Testament was written?" It makes no sense as if you read my posts, I never stated what you just did. Good luck, I'll pray for you.
2cthetruth 1 day ago
@2cthetruth Feel free to talk to your imaginary friend. Can you also put in a good word for me with Superman?
Spiderpope 1 day ago
@Spiderpope You are the funny one! The "man" of this conversation with all of the explanations and answers. You must feel so smart and witty, etc! Your response interpreted: "I can't understand and am not willing to hold intelligent debate, so I'll resort to my childhood mind posting some really funny stuff that will make me appear as a man to all of my electronic friends."
2cthetruth 18 hours ago
@2cthetruth and your response interpreted "I've been brainwashed into believing this crap, but occasionally my rationality breaks through and retreats in horror from what i've been saying. So quick project my feelings of inadequacy onto another poster to distract attention and flee back into my magic dreamland where i am super special because a magic man loves me for doing nothing"
Spiderpope 9 hours ago
@Spiderpope Did you come up with that all by yourself?.. Your so intelligent. Teach us all your ways so we may know the path not to travel. "Magic man," you silly, ignorant man. Soon you will see the hard way and I am not happy about it. I'll pray for you spidey.
2cthetruth 6 hours ago
@2cthetruth Sounds like i hit a nerve, now you're lashing out with hell threats. That little voice of doubt getting a bit louder bub?
Spiderpope 6 hours ago
@Spiderpope Oh, got a live one here! Oh Spidey, I'm not lashing out at all! I am not making "hell" threats either as no threat is from me, but from rejecting the Word of God. And no voice of doubt here either. I can't doubt what I know to be true.
2cthetruth 6 hours ago
@2cthetruth You're the product of 2.5 million years of evolution and you still believe in god? LMAO
19Jones91 5 hours ago
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@2cthetruth You're the product of 2.5 million years of evolution and you still believe in god? LMAO
19Jones91 5 hours ago
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@2cthetruth You're the product of 2.5 million years of evolution and you still believe in god? LMAO
19Jones91 5 hours ago
@2cthetruth No it wasn't. There wouldn't be Jews it had been. Hindus claim their religion is 10.000 years old. Read "The Bible Unearthed" and read anything written by orthodox Jews to justify their adherence to the old testament.
saguhh00 1 day ago
@Spiderpope It's not all... What has stood the test of time, wars, genocide, famines, and all the calamities that have befallen us over the years? Oh, the Word of God. ra and horus failed..know why? the people figured out they were made up. Fake.
2cthetruth 2 days ago
@2cthetruth Actually that's not why they failed at all. It's clear your understanding of general history is as limited as your knowledge of the history of the bible. Horus, Ra and the rest of the Egyptian pantheon fell out of general use when the Romans began to exert their influence on the region. Oh and just so you know there are still active religions worshipping that particular pantheon.
Spiderpope 2 days ago
@Spiderpope In your opening statement, you admit they failed. In your closing statement, you state it is still active. The garbage in the middle, well is garbage.
2cthetruth 1 day ago
@Spiderpope Point out the inconsistencies. I know, I'll give you plenty of time to search online because God knows you haven't read the Bible yourself.
2cthetruth 2 days ago
@2cthetruth I've read the bible and prayed. I still have my bible right here in fact. "New world translation of the Holy Scriptures." Not my original bible, but still a bible nonetheless. You just asserted that thousands have experienced false gods through hysteria. What makes your god any more credible?
boochainletters12 1 day ago
@2cthetruth The only reason you think that is because you don't do any research on this kind of stuff and if you ever did, you wouldn't take the scientific evidence to thought as you are in denile of reality. I know that the odds of us being here are very very slim but i don't think you have an idea of how big the universe is and how many stars there are for planets to orbit.
If you truly believe theres an afterlife then atheist can apologise to you and god there.
SuperRustyTrumbone 4 days ago
@SuperRustyTrumbone Read my post below. There is scientific evidence of God. The evidence is all around you, me, everybody! Look at all of the Biblical prophecy's that have come to pass. No other false religions had ANY prophecy come to pass, yet the Bible is full of them, past and present. No body needs to apologize to me now or later. Although you will have to answer to God and by then it will be too late. Pray in faith, in Christ, and I can guarantee God will answer you..moreover, Save you.
2cthetruth 4 days ago
@2cthetruth Even if i wanted to get into the religion it is literaly impossible for me to pray with faith as if i believe in god because i honestly cannot do that even if i wanted to.
I can't think something is real if there is no reason for me to think that.
And when you say he 'saves me' are you talking about saving me from hell, because i don't think i deserve eternity in hell, nor does Hitler or even Josiph Stalin, nobody deserves to burn forever.
SuperRustyTrumbone 4 days ago
@SuperRustyTrumbone I'm not asking you to get involved in a "religion," only to research to come to an understanding of the Truth. There is reason for you to KNOW He is real! Just pray one time. Get to someplace where you are alone, and Ask God if He, by His Mercy, will reveal Himself to you in someway that you cannot deny Him any longer. Having "faith," is "to put yourself out there." I guarantee, He will hear you and not leave you without answer. You have nothing to lose.
2cthetruth 4 days ago
@SuperRustyTrumbone I have an idea. If you would like, I will type up my experience as a testimony and send it to you or anyone else who wants to know how I came to know God is real. I can't do it until next week because of work, but I will do it. Just let me know.
2cthetruth 4 days ago
@2cthetruth Yes, i would like that thankyou, remember, if you can't convince me i cannot be 'saved'.
SuperRustyTrumbone 4 days ago
@SuperRustyTrumbone I won't push anything, just present what I have. I have faith that God will do the rest! I will contact you next Tuesday in the afternoon as I'll be working until then. On a side note, I'm happy that you are at least inquisitive. God Bless and I'll contact you Tuesday.
2cthetruth 3 days ago
@SuperRustyTrumbone Also, I cannot convince you of anything, keep that in mind. If you are to be convinced, it will be by the Will of God.
2cthetruth 3 days ago
@2cthetruth So it is up to god to choose if i will remain atheist or be saved? If so, what is the point in earth if it is not for testing a mans faith.
SuperRustyTrumbone 3 days ago
@SuperRustyTrumbone Only God can reveal Himself to you. He wants you to seek Him. If you don't care, why should He?
2cthetruth 2 days ago
@2cthetruth So it's not about assuming he's real that gets you into heaven, it's just wanting to know if he's real and know that you'd respect him if you knew he was real? like me.
SuperRustyTrumbone 1 day ago
@SuperRustyTrumbone Getting there. If you seek Him diligently, I guarantee you He will act upon your heart and lead you to Heaven. You must first believe on His Son, Jesus Christ and that He died for your sins, but first, you must seek Him then the rest will be revealed to you. You have absolutely nothing to lose. If He doesn't somehow show you how much He loves you after you inquire about Him, just come back here, label me a liar and go about your life.
2cthetruth 1 day ago
@2cthetruth Liar...
Quagigitymire 1 day ago
@Quagigitymire Prove it.
2cthetruth 1 day ago
@2cthetruth Thankyou, i will give it a try.
I think most aetheists should learn to see more then one point of view, even if we think it's the impossible, like you said weve got nothing to lose.
SuperRustyTrumbone 1 day ago
@SuperRustyTrumbone You see, God is already working in you, giving you wisdom. You're statement is rational and correct. I am praying for you as I type this. God Bless, and I will contact you Tuesday evening to send you my testimony. Remember, I at one time was an unbeliever too, and as you will see from my testimony, you'd never think I would be the type to come to love God.
2cthetruth 1 day ago
@2cthetruth lol what a retard. We're talking about science here, not magic and fairies, take your bullshit over to a religious video and let the people are capable of thinking for themselves think about things that matter, and not your ridiculous fairy tales.
a3th3r 1 day ago
@a3th3r I am not talking about magic either! I am however talking about the One who created us, science, and everything else. Tell me my friend, what about anything you think really matters? I mean to say, that when you die everything you came to realize and "think" will surely die with you. And if a thought escapes your head and enters another, it still won't matter cause you will be dead. That is why you need the Truth and that Truth is Christ and He is Life!
2cthetruth 17 hours ago
@2cthetruth To me, it's the fact that it isn't permanent and eternal that gives it meaning.
Look at it this way - Would you still find diamonds valuable if you had infinite diamonds? They'd be worthless, because they require nothing to get.
In the same way, if you have infinite life, it makes this life... empty. Worthless. But if you only have 75 odd years on this Earth (If you're lucky) Then you want to make the most of the time you have.
boochainletters12 14 hours ago
@boochainletters12 God sets the standards of Perfection, Holiness, not man. In all that you have said, you constrain God and hold Him accountable to common mans interpretation of what right and wrong is, and as you know, that varies from person to person, culture to culture. God set the Laws according to what He knows Righteousness to be. Can man fathom God and what He does? No. Can a child fathom his/her parents reasoning's? no. We are the children and God is the Father.
2cthetruth 12 hours ago
@boochainletters12 Children don't understand why parents say "no you cannot do this or that," only that they cannot do some things at the risk of punishment. The same is with us and God. He says "You cannot do this or that," you say, "well that isn't fair, because I don't understand." We need to grow, as a child needs to grow in the way he/she is taught by their parents, so in hopes of one day understanding the "why" of it all. Again, God is not common man.
2cthetruth 11 hours ago
@boochainletters12 How can you place the value of life as in your analogy? I tell you this, none of us have experienced life until we come to the knowledge of Christ. Indefinite life with the One who created you is the goal. What does it profit you to "make the most of this life" if all you do is in vain and dies with you? I tell you this, after this life your soul will go on, and one of the places it goes will not be good. Think about that.
2cthetruth 11 hours ago
@2cthetruth pretty sure I told you to fuck off and talk about your magical fairies to some other deluded morons, not that I wanted to talk to you about magic. You're a waste of my time, go away, fucking retard.
a3th3r 12 hours ago
@a3th3r Well, good morning sunshine! Who's the grumpy potty mouth this morning? You see, I can't go away until my time is up, and if I were a wast of your time, you wouldn't have responded in the first place.. right? Guess what? Christ died even for potty mouths!
2cthetruth 12 hours ago
@2cthetruth How would you know the Bible is God's word? Because the Bible says so? Heh.
genandnic 3 days ago
@genandnic No, because God says so. The Bible is a book. It in itself cannot Save you, but the Words written therein are Gods promises to us and lead to Life. When you are Saved, there is the Presence of the Holy Spirit of God that will indwell within you, and that I guarantee you will feel. You do not feel Him now because of your closed mind and mockery of things you do not understand.
2cthetruth 3 days ago
@2cthetruth Making assertions that a) there is a god and b) it's the god in the bible and that the proof of this is the bible itself doesn't convince me at all.
kurtmj76 2 days ago
@kurtmj76 If He showed Himself to you directly, you still would not believe. Your heart is like a rock, and rocks don't know anything.
2cthetruth 2 days ago
@2cthetruth God has been experienced by millions of people, yes. But every one of them experiences a different god, and most gods have been discarded. Due to the track record of god, I'm going to go ahead and say he's a psychological construct. The intricate workings of the human body have been explained without a god. The vastness of space has been explained in part without a god.
boochainletters12 1 day ago
@boochainletters12 Ok, lets test what is known, and get back to me with the answer because I don't know anything. The human body consists of (big to small) the organism, organs, tissues, cells, molecules, atoms. In this we learn atoms are the smallest particle in the human body (we could go smaller, I know). Which then of all the inanimate atoms and molecules in our bodies contain life in and of themselves? Intricate workings of the human body explained?.. don't think so.
2cthetruth 18 hours ago
@2cthetruth You define life as something contained within our tissues? I don't. I'd define it as a group of tissues that collectively demonstrate the five "requirements" for life. Metabolism, Growth, Adaption, Response (To stimuli) and Reproduction. If it doesn't reproduce, it's not life. If it doesn't metabolise, it's not life. Atoms aren't life, organisms are alive.
boochainletters12 14 hours ago
@boochainletters12 Come on, you must understand where I was coming from! Where is life in the human body if we are made up of inanimate atoms and molecules? Atoms and molecules themselves do not contain life, so where does life come from? You stated previously that science had worked out the intricacies of the human body, and yet science cannot give inanimate objects life...only God can.
2cthetruth 11 hours ago
@2cthetruth I had to log in to laugh at you. lol God.
Meatlock 8 hours ago
@Meatlock I had to post so you could know that I read your post stating you were laughing at me. Something, isn't it?
2cthetruth 6 hours ago
@2cthetruth I had to derp to make it derp derp derp.
Hey make God make it rain frogs, that's my favourite party trick! :D
Meatlock 4 hours ago
@Meatlock Oh the thoughts of an intelligent being.
2cthetruth 1 hour ago
@2cthetruth "As far as God's existence, it has been experienced by MILLIONS of people"
I love that argument. You know why? Because it's the same argument that says this.
Eat shit. 50 billion flies do it every day.
boochainletters12 1 day ago
@2cthetruth if man cannot fathom our own universe, how can some say there is a god?
machine7elves 4 days ago
@machine7elves If man cannot fathom the universe, how can some say there is no God? Where did the elements come from? They just were always there; formed themselves? Someone had to create them don't you think? I mean man with all of his knowledge and technology can't create anything from nothingness.
2cthetruth 4 days ago
@2cthetruth Why does it have to be someone?
kurtmj76 4 days ago
@kurtmj76 What do you mean?
2cthetruth 4 days ago
@2cthetruth Why is it an intelligent being with a personality? Moreover, why is it YOUR intelligent being with a personality? It could have been a magical spark that set it off and that would be just as viable.
boochainletters12 1 day ago
@2cthetruth Youguys(Creation Theists) really should get together and learn all the logical phallicies and how to avoid them. That is a textbook argument from ignorance.
Not being able to fathom something means that we cannot make conclusions about it. Seeing as we are on a tiny rock orbiting a tiny star among trillions in a gallaxy among billions, us fathoming the universe is not likely. That in no reasonable way leads us to conclude everything by believing in magic.
madmiguelh2o 1 day ago
@madmiguelh2o It's not believing in magic. Humble yourself and tell the Lord you are sorry for your sins. Accept Christ as your Savior. Ask then after you seek that God give you a sign that you might believe. I guarantee if your heart is right, He will as He did for me show you what you need to know and do.
2cthetruth 17 hours ago
@2cthetruth I once believed that too. Then I figured out it was just my mind. What would you call creating the universe out of nothing, if not magic? And don't just apply a different name to it, like creation. Creating it using... what?
boochainletters12 14 hours ago
I'm the 100,000th visitor to YouTube! But I'm the 283,302nd viewer. Hm...
Progehr34 5 days ago 2
@Progehr34 seems legit
Thetarget1 4 days ago