i used to play snooker all the time, i wasnt particularly great at it, but i was pretty good like. i tried pool, and i can get break to blacks a lot haha, snooker > pool, not an argument, its fact :p
snooker is a fucking boring game for pool players thats why no pool player goes to play snooker.snooker is all about aim.u need skills to to win 9 ball.example is right in front of your eyes.the best snooker player is getting his ass kicked by a 17 years old lol
@sumonsarkar93 Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about, go try to play snooker, this guy has 11 official maximum in tournaments, he's a genius beyond your understanding. I've played pool for more than 15 years, played 3 cushion for more than 3, and I just started playing snooker a week ago. Lear a little, in the mean time, be quiet.
@ChemicalPixel Dont bother with those ignorants most of them never seen a real snooker table an english one that is 12ft x 6ft with tigh pockets, they believe snooker is all about acurracy (aim) they couldn´t be more rong and that shows how stupid and mindless they are both games are great and enjoyable but never be an ignorant ass and say pool is harder than snooker Steve Davis in his 50s kicks ass in Pool
@rvpnumb i didnt say pool is harder than snooker.i said its harder to win constantly.in snooker more chances are for the better player.better player wins most of the time.anyways ur fucking snooker legend is getting his ass kicked.thats the main story lol
this is the so-called best yanks in snooker, lmfao. wake up american n00b, you are only fit for a kiddie pool that's 2 ft deep - stop bothering skilled adults. n00b.
@ChemicalPixel i didnt say that sullivan is not a legend.i said it because everywhere i open a 9 ball game i see some fucking snooker hooligans there.if u dont like or respect 9 ball player why the fuck u watching and vuisiting every 9 ball videos fucking morons.and i honestlly dont think u r a good player either.15 years playing doesnt change a thing if u dont have talent.look at this kid or even ronniee .they were genius when they werekid.anyways go and play ur fucking snooker moron.
@sumonsarkar93 You definitely sound like a genius to me, one that can't spell "visiting". I'm not a pool player, I barely played in the last ten years. And by the way, when I was 18, after only a year playing pool, I was running racks and shooting shots that many people won't shoot in their lifetimes. But, I don't like to brag.
On another note, you are a fucking disrespectful bitch, one does not deserve any kind of attention, so go fuck yourself. And stop being suck a whinnying baby you cunt!
another ignorant yankee moron. right, it's all about aim, that's why these idiots can't even string 2 pots together. go back to playing in your 2 feet deep kiddie pool you moron and stop bothering adults.
@wimpylassiter2336 Yeah but in every pool tournament where the commentators refer to snooker, they say "snucker" every single time (as in "hooker"). IT'S NOT SNUCKER! It's "snooker". Say "snoo" (rhymes with "who"). Say "ker" (rhymes with "her"). Simple. Snooker, not snucker!
@Camberwell86 yes, im saying that as a reference for when americans say it. english--snookeh. usa- snooker. we agree, we are just having a communication failure.
@Camberwell86 huge fan of snooker. im an american pool player, and i realize the snooker players shotmaking is far and above the level of pool players, generally.
Efren plays snooker in the 80's when he was called to test agains Marlon Manalo as the Philippine representative, and the way I remembered Efren scores high in his game even if he doesn't practice, unfortunately, videos are not present at those times...
pool players couldnt play snooker to a high level because their technique is sloppy. no chin on cue, jumpy movement on shot. you can get away with it with pockets the size of buckets, but in snooker, attention to detail is scrutinised
@vadertuber ...simply because the money wasn't there(also considering money games). From Daryl Peach's testimony, Reyes even beat Steve Davis and Jimmy White in a snooker money game. Regardless if its snooker or pool I respect these players (Efren,Jimmy,Steve,Ronnie O) in making billiards exciting, to get out of their comfort zone to compete and have fun.
@vadertuber its not about the game, snooker or pool. Its about the PLAYERS' SKILL. This proves true for a player who loves competition, WIN OR LOSE, in all forms of billiards. No one else so versatile in this world than Efren Reyes. To say that a pool player cannot beat a snooker player even for single frame in a snooker game is downright idiotic. This truly reflects the ignorance of snooker fans. In the 80s Reyes won a snooker tourney in Asia with 2 century breaks. He did not continue to play
why every one is debating about pool and snooker? there are 4 kind of billiard games and other two are carom and Russian billiard... I've seen Blomdal(best three cushion billiards player) won Efren Rayes both in Carom and pool... Evgeny Stalev (Russian Billiard player) is one of the best pool Player too... I can bet that there is no Snooker player that would win even single Russian Pyramid game, the same can be said to Three cushion billiard... so shut up snooker fags!!!
i absolutely agree. i saw those matches with efren and blomdal, they were just amazing. im mexican but i play russian billiards, snooker and pool. russian billiards is by far the hardest ive played, but my favorite. i havent had the chance to play 3 cushions (im looking forward to play it) but i studied the diamond formulas and it seems pretty damn tricky. good job for sayin "shut up snooker fags", i admire pro snooker players, but these guys are just phoneys
My view on snooker vs pool is like this: it is definitely easier to pot a ball in pool (this shouldn't have any dispute on), but it does not make pool an easier game. You may say 'it is so easy to pot in pool that a worse player can beat a better player easily, and so it is an easier game!' But is this sound? Or does that mean that pool is in fact a harder game because it is harder to win even if you are better?
@anttiniemi2000 I believe that you may say it is harder, or it is easier, but for me, I will say that they are different. We play snooker on a table with balls with a cue, and we play pool in the same format. Nevertheless, they are not two things that share such a high degree of similarities that we can compare them easily. For example, I disagree with the saying that 'snooker is the harder version of pool.' This is because they are basically two different games!
@anttiniemi2000 Comparing snooker and pool is like comparing basketball and football. Which one is harder? It is not an answerable question, for they are too different. I think that's the reason why the on-going debate on whether pool or snooker is better makes very little process, for the nature of the debate hinders it. I play both games, with different kinds of enjoyments. I feel good when I make a high snooker break, and also when I run a rack of pool.
@anttiniemi2000 Isn't it bad when one cannot enjoy both great games simply because of some sort of biases?
It seems that, from my words, I favours pool over snooker. It is not the case: I am neutral between the two games. I simply thinks that most of the commnets are unfair to pool and that I want to, well, be more fair.
@anttiniemi2000 Its about skill ceilings and the significance of luck in a game. On a good day I could beat Ronnie in a best of 5 at pool, chance allows this, I dont think even after a million games I'd beat him in one frame of snooker. Thats not arguing that the best pool players in the world are in any way inferior to snooker players, just whether the significance on chance affecting outcomes is detrimental to your enjoyment.
The thing with snooker is, you HAVE to think a shot ahead maybe even 2-3 ahead....myself personally never playing 9-ball, it seems to me that you can just play it pritty much ball to ball. but hey, that could just be ignorance on my part or bias twoards Snooker :P
I think that in regards to dimensions, the size of the table comes into play. Snooker you have be more spacially aware of what your playing and your positional play is pritty much EVERYTHING, more important than 9Ball.
@JackMCFCShaw Snooker pro's think 4 shots ahead which I think is astonishing!! When I play snooker I tend to think 1 or 2 shots ahead. I guess thats why i'm not very good. When I play pool I often, like you said ,play ball to ball and end up 7 balling my opponents. Snooker is much more tactical and defensive to pool which is why i prefer it.
ffs that cunts accent is so ANNOYING!!!!! Sound's like a moron!!! Snurkur player? ENGLISH MOTHER FUCK SPEAK IT!!!!!!!! American cunts RONNIE FUCK THE YANK CUNTS UP AND I'LL SEE YA IN THE PUB NEXT WEEK!!!
i respect pool as a sport and enjoy playing it but in terms of whats harder its not even close at all snooker is miles harder and none of these 9 ball players would win frames in snooker against top players
@andos8888 but there are sme idiot that believe its possible. If they played snooker with Ronnie they couldnt hit 1 frame for sure. Snooker is very very hard. i consider myself a good pool player, have nice results and my best at snooker is 28 lol.
i have only watched snooker before but can anyone tell me if Wu meant to leave the ball so close to the cushion for the final shot, or was he out of position? it just looked to me that his positioning wasnt the best but i dont know if he meant that
Any snooker player from the main tour could practise pool, mostly the break, for a few weeks and play tough matches with the best pool players. But none of the pool players would ever even make it to main tour in snooker.
@TheGree8 Who are you guys?Expert snooker players? What is your name? High run?How many major tournaments have you been in Snooker? Pool? Until you can prove to me by winning BOTH kinds of major tournaments will I agree with you.Gimme a break, you're just being a snob, know-it-all.You NEVER hear top snooker players bad mouth pool cuz they understand both games.
@lemonite1 ...and you're probably another american who has never watched snooker. Players like Tony Drago, Steve Davis, Ronnie o'Sullivan have spent their entire life on a snooker table and when they play pool they are good. I'm from Finland, the country where Mika Immonen, one of the best pool players in history is from. He can play snooker and make a 100 break every now and then but even he has said he would never master it. Take a look at the game for once and you'll see how much it requires
@TheGree8 No, I have played snooker, I'm not Davis or O'sullivan but I can play it.You haven't answered my question,Who are you and what is your name?What makes you an expert where you can make claims like,"pool players would never make it to tour in snooker." Do you really know these pool players?If you can make claims like that then you must be an expert at both games.Would you put money on these pool players against snooker players in ANY game? BET!
@lemonite1 i said watched, not played. I would love to see a professional pool player play a match with Ronnie, Ding, Murphy, Higgins etc. I can assure you, they would not win a frame. Not badmouthing pool but thats just how it is. I could bet on Ronnie to win the match against Wu Chia-Ching or Mika Immonen because its possible he could win. Would you bet on them against Ronnie on a snooker table?
@TheGree8 And you're probably another nuthugging snooker fanboy who doesn't know jack shit about any game. Mika didn't grow up playing snooker, he grew up playing a different game (the name escapes me) played on a 5x10 table.If memory serves me correctly, Drago is the only snooker player to win a big pool title, but you can't not practice pool and expect to do even remotely well. YOU should take a look at both games and see how much they require.
@TheGree8 And by the way, I've watched plenty of matches with the players you've mentioned, and I have watched them struggle on the easiest of shots, especially Ronnie in this particular match. I've watched Davis and Drago also struggle too. Snooker players can't play pool position, they can play snooker position. Most of the time they play out of line and force themselves to take long shots. Most of the time they don't think all the way through the rack, and only plan 1 ball at a time.
@TheGree8 The whole point is that you can't come into foreign territory without the necessary skillset, from any avenue. You don't play the same type of shots in snooker as you do in pool, and vice versa. Even the equipment is different. There's more than just the way things look that determines how hard something is. Take Steve Davis' words to heart "any snooker player that thinks he's gonna come into this game and learn it in a couple of years really needs to reassess the situation."
@SnareBuff well, Mark Selby is the 8ball world champion from 2006 and very respected player in snooker. Ronnie didn't win anything in pool and its understandable. They struggle in Pool, of course, because they are Snooker players. They have days when they can't pot the easiest ball in snooker too. I wasn't saying any snooker player can come from nowhere and beat the pool stars. But they do have a better shot in winning matches than a pool player would on snooker table.
@TheGree8 Yes I'm aware of that, and if memory serves me correctly, Selby started off playing english 8 ball and progressed to snooker. It's sort of funny because english pool is played on a 3x6 table, smaller than even an american barbox, and snooker supporters ALWAYS say that pool players can't hack it in snooker. Selby is living proof. I'll admit a snooker player could probably do well in straight pool or 8 ball, since it's all pattern play, but not without putting in the time and practice.
@TheGree8 And actually, yes, you did say that snooker players could come from nowhere and beat pool stars. You didn't come out and say the word "beat", but you did say that a snooker player could practice for a few weeks, especially the break, and play with the top pros. It takes more than a few weeks to become proficient enough for competition. Even Davis says "any snooker player that thinks he's gonna come into this game and learn it in a couple of years needs to reasses the situation."
@TheGree8 Playing any cuesport gives you the foundation to move across the grid.The biggest differences aside from just the games themselvs is equipment. Snooker differs vastly from pool. The points of the pockets are rounded, not allowing you much room to cheat the pocket. Pool pockets are called huge, but since they're square cut, a ball ricochets into the pocket if it hits one side of it. Speed and angle play a very vital factor in that regard.
@TheGree8 Alot of people don't have any clue about the equipment becoming a factor, and just take a look and assume things are harder or easier. We're comparing 2 different formats. It would be different if we were comparing the same thing on a different scale, but we're not. One of the biggest differences is cloth speed. Snooker cloth is much faster, so it's not like you have to pound the ball to get it moving.
@TheGree8 I'll comment on one more thing. You may believe snooker players have a higher percentage winning a pool match rather than a pool player winning a snooker match, and that's all founded in shotmaking. Snooker players try to shoot their way into a runout, often getting out of line. A pool player stepping into snooker would have to adjust to not being able to use english as much, since 80% of shots are played with it. It's like learning to walk all over again.
@SnareBuff Yes, i am a fan of Snooker. To me it's far more interesting to watch because one miss or how you get the break doesnt automatically cost you a frame. Snooker is far more tactical and safety play is a huge part of the game.
@TheGree8 You still don't get it do you? You're entitled to your opinion on which you'd rather watch, but to say it's more tactical is astonishing. You may be forced to play alot of safeties, but don't forget that pool involves alot of safety play too. Watch a high quality one pocket match and tell me about tactics. If anything, 9 ball is one of the most pressure-filled games in the world. You can do all the work and miss the 9 and lose. You MUST perform at your highest or you hand it all away.
Very true that pool players can't make the transition to snooker. Believe me I have tried (I got a 46 break). But it also goes both ways. When I take my Snooker friends to play nine ball, I win. It is a very short and strategic game.
No disrespect. I love both games. And O'Sullivan is obviously beyond human.
@TheGree8 You cant compare apples with oranges. I dont see any snooker player winning any pool tournaments. I'm sure if you ask some good pool player, they can stll play pretty good snooker. Having said that.. both are different games, different emphasis.. Pool is more angles, knowing 3 cushion , 4 cushion.. Snooker mostly just accuracy.. and gaurding.. The way you gaurd on snooker is not the same as on pool..
@rheographics Tony Drago is a snooker player..he has won a few Pool tournaments in his years..Allison Fisher...we all know her right...A snooker player...theres one from each sex...There are more.
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To trinomial tree: it seems as if you were replying as arbitrage or for arbitrage, but in any case, I never mentioned any process. You call me thick and a moron yet you can't read 3 fuckin sentences? That's a winner for sure.
I must say arbitrage, you have provided much entertainment to me. I don't think I've never seen someone bend over backwards as hard as you have to try and insult me. You must REALLY care. I'm flattered.
Once again, the quotations are derived from opinion. I still believe that each game is difficult in it's own right, but not moreso than another. Call me hardheaded, I don't care, but ball pocketing and table size are hardly grounds for a comparison of difficulty.
Like I said, you may as well be comparing tennis and ping-pong. It's essentially the same arguement is it not?
"That is not all. Besides for the tools of playing being harder in snooker the table is more difficult also. The pockets are smaller like everything else. And on the top of that the edges are shaped in such a way that you have to get the ball in directly, not by hitting the walls of the pocket."
"...but unlike pool you need to be at your sharpest while playing. With snooker the cue tip is much smaller than in pool and if you miss even the slightest you won't be able to pocket the ball. Also the balls are smaller so the slightest error in choosing the correct cut is greatly exaggerated."
"More skill is required to play snooker than pool since the table is larger, the pockets narrower, the pocket lead-in curved and the balls smaller.
Pool is more common in the United States than snooker. Certain states have a concentration of snooker popularity including Colorado, deep South and the mid-West in the United States. Once a person plays snooker, they become better at pool since the accuracy is critical to snooker."
As you wish arbitrage. Continue with your insults, feel free. You're obviously one of the descendants of the British Army officers who created this game. Or better yet, you're a great grandson of Joe Davis aren't you? The trolling will never end, I accept that. I'm off to find a debate on tennis vs ping pong.
I don't recall ever seeing any legitimate reasons why snooker is the superior game. All I've heard is bigger table and smaller pockets. If that's the only explanation that someone has for superiority, then I'm not the moron here.
The pros always make the games look easy because they've spent long hours practicing everything, but in reailty it's not as simple as it looks. I'll give you that snooker is a difficult game, and much more different than pool, but not superior. No game is.
This whole cuesport debate is ridiculous. I wonder how many people watch tennis videos and ping pong videos and debate which one is the tougher sport.
Again, I must ask. Why is it that bias snooker fans make their way into pool videos and talk trash? It never fails. Just about every pool video has some sort of comment in it that's bashing pool and saying snooker is superior. It's always the YouTube pros that say such things, never the real pros.
Its really not ridiculous considering that a) pool is a variation of billiards/snooker (Americans changed the table size and rules from points scored to balls potted circa early 1900s) and b) scientific research carried out by a team at Bristol University on different tables found that running simulations which included calculations of a spectrum of ball velocities and angles (x pocket latency), on avg. it is 60% harder to pot a ball in snooker vs. pool
I have to hand it to you arbitrage, you get more and more ridiculous with each comment. You've tried discrediting each of my posts with your worthless insults. You've tried just about every different angle as far as insulting me goes, and you keep coming up with the same things.
Tell me arbitrage, how come the snooker pros that play pool never say tell a pool player that pool is a game for kids? Why don't the people who are involved debate this? Why just the YouTube kids? Can you answer that?
Yes, I'm such an insult. You believe I'm a moron because you have no way of putting snooker above pool. Why? Because it's a different area in the realm of pocket billiards, and for some reason, you nuthugging fanboys always seem to make your way into pool videos and protest that snooker players are the most talented people in cuesports. Go ahead, see if O'Sullivan will walk up to Efren Reyes or Semih Sayginer and tell them he's better because he plays snooker. It won't happen.
F1 is more prestigious huh.. I got it. You're the expert here aren't you? You're the one that knows everything about everything aren't you?
Take your bias and shove it someplace else. You take your own bias opinions and try throwing them on others, using insults as some kind of backing. Honestly, grow up. I never insulted you once in this whole debate, and you've been trying to slam me left and right. Maybe a bit disgruntled are you? A failure at cuesports who idolizes snooker players? Hmmmmm
But in any case, I see no knowledge coming from you. The only things I've seen were insults and nasty name-calling bouts. Anybody that knows cuesports beyond first glance are much more than what you see. Also, if there's any reference by how easy the games appear by the pros, my sympathy is extended. The pros ALWAYS make the game look easy because they're calm under pressure and have experience in high tension matches. No game is easy, and no game is superior. Learn that, and learn it well.
Look, all you people that swear up and down that snooker is more superior and requires more than pool, go watch the 1999 WPC match between Efren Reyes and Hao-Ping Chang. Listen to the commentary from the british announcers as far as the differences between the two games. Particularly watch part 4 and listen to Steve Davis, and listen closely.
Did I SAY watching YouTube? I don't ever remember saying that.. Sure I've watched YouTube matches and studied them, but I've also watched alot of movies from the AccuStats library and listened to the commentary that they do OVER the normal commentary. I've watched alot of matches and watched each different player and how they address a situation, with special attention to those switching over games. Players from each game play the same type of shot very differently. Some with success, some not.
If I recall, I didn't say I had any qualifications, but I did say that YOU don't have any. After studying countless matches of Pool, Snooker, and Billiards, I've acquired knowledge of each sport, and have concluded that each sport is different in every way. The only similarity is that one ball is being shot into another. Strategy, approach, scoring, equipment, rules, and more: all of it is different. You may as well say that ping pong is harder than tennis or vice versa.
No qualifications hm? You make it sound as if you're some esteemed member of the cuesport community with some grand amount of knowledge. If you had ANY knowledge of cuesports as a whole you would recognize what's going on here.
Have any opinion you want, it doesn't make a difference to me.
Of course there's no point arguing or debating with me. You have no idea what you're talking about. The only points brought forward in this whole debate have been the size of the table and the size of the pockets. It's been insisted that due to the size of the table that playing position is hard, and that the size of the pockets make it near impossible to pocket a ball. Those are the only points put forward, and that is a moronic conclusion. Learn about cuesports before coming back.
Before you try to and argue a point with me that one sport is harder than another, try looking at every sport with an open mind. If you're trying to tell me that by the size of the table and size of the pockets that a game requires the most precision and talent, you need to step away from this whole debate. Each game is different and requires different approaches. You can have the best strategy, but with no technique to execute, you won't get anywhere.
It would be different if the debate weren't fueled by snooker bias. Change the size of the table and the size of the pockets and all of the sudden a game becomes superior with more talented players? Get a grip. If you classify the game as superior simply by the conditions for pocketing balls and the larger table then you need a serious lesson in cuesports.
Watch the 1999 WPC match between Reyes and Chang. Watch part 4 and listen to Steve Davis at about 5:40.
Ah, so because I'm an American all of the sudden makes me clueless.. You really don't make any sense whatsoever. You're making this an issue of heritage, when heritage has no involvement in this debating at all. The people hoisting the snooker banner here are trying to make snooker look like the superior sport with the most talented players, but in reality, every cuesport is extremely difficult with each having talented players, none more talented than someone in a different sport. Get a clue.
Here's another one... Do you people know ANYTHING about cuesports aside from your own opinions? There's a few things in every game that are slightly more difficult or different than the others (at least I think so) but there's no way to call one sport harder than another. There's completely different approaches and strategies in every game, so there's no real foundation for comparison. Besides, if there was a "higher sport" we would've heard something by now from pros that know about it.
OK its simple this guy playing ronnie would never ever beat ronnie in a game of snooker say best of 9 match wheras ronnie can beat him on another day playing 9 ball.What do you mean "higher sport"all the pros say snooker is harder simple as.
Oh can he now? So he loses, and that means nothing, that he'll just beat him another day? THAT makes alot of sense... Pros may say snooker is hard, but it's not harder than pool or billiards. Billiards is comprised of multiple games, requiring multiple approaches. Pool is the same. Many different games, many different variations. Snooker is itself, and generally the same.
HAHAHA yes he can beat him another day im not saying everytime or even next time as u say but ronnie is capable of beating him.The chinese player would never ever beat ronnie in a game of snooker.How you can say pool is harder than snooker is beyond me and most ppl who know cuesports
I wouldn't make that assumption. It's possible that Wu wouldn't beat Ronnie in snooker. I'm not sure how much experience that Wu has in the sport, but Ronnie has played 9-ball before. If you watched the whole match, Jim Wych talks to Ronnie before the match and Ronnie says "of course this is all just experience for me." Now, this is only speculation, it sounds like Ronnie is saying he's only in the tournament to learn, and doesn't really have a chance to win, but of course, that's only a guess.
Sure... Because you're in such a position to make that call right? Just the same as you people making the call on which sport is better. Who are you to make such a claim? If you're someone so important, why are you behind your keyboard trash-talking on YouTube? If you're such experts, then why do I keep seeing "I can sometimes clear a pool table but can't make a 25 break"? If you're such experts, you'd be at the top of both sports and well known. Bottom line, you are arguing opinions, so drop it
You're comparing shooting a gun and shooting a ball in cuesports? And you called ME a moron... Shooting a gun at a target over a distance is different because of wind conditions and other conditions. Shooting a ball on a table (given the table is level) is much simpler. If you shoot straight on 6 feet or 12 feet, it doesn't change that you shoot straight. Everything else past the initial stroke is all dependant on the table.
If you shoot straight on 6 feet or 12 feet, it doesn't change that you shoot straight. Everything else past the initial stroke is all dependant on the table.
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your answering your own question
a straight mid table pot on a snooker table is a tougher one than that on a pool table
its evident when snooker players can take 9 ball players on at their own game and give them a run for their money
Not from a perspective of stroke, only from that of cloth debris. If you shoot a ball in a straight line, it doesn't matter what size of table it is. Shooting a ball 10 feet away and 5 feet away is the same, it's a line..
Snooker players may adapt to pool, but that's because they already have all the tools needed, they just need tweaked to pool. They have stroke, position play, and table knowledge, all they need is to learn the necessary strategy. It's not like they're completely new.
The only reason I mentioned snooker players transitioning to pool is because it was being discussed in your comment.
Pool players can transition to snooker just as well as snooker players transitioining to pool. It's just adapting to new equipment, new rules, and a new approach. Practice is all that's necessary. You're making snooker sound like it's the most difficult game ever created... Snooker may be the more played game in Europe, but that doesn't mean it's superior. It's preference.
Going on evidence, the transition certainly is not as easy from pool to snooker.
Drago has won major pool tournaments against pool pros, which he never managed in snooker. Peach was world 9 ball champion, but could barely get in the top 200 at snooker. Mizerak and Rempe tried to qualify for the World Snooker Championships in the 1980s, when the depth of talent was nowhere near where it is now, and they didn't get close.
A snooker player's technique transfers better to pool than vice versa.
Evidence? Ha. Drago won, that's true. I'll give you that much, as I don't know much about his pool career. Peach has played pool pro for over 10 years, did you ever read about that? Mizerak and Rempe may not have qualified, but they're not the only people who have tried the transition. There are plenty of people who play pool that had successes in snooker. The ratio of pool to snooker and vice versa may be based off of personal preference. I don't think many consider that.
Most peple don't realize that if you're professional in cuesports, you've got all the necessary tools, it just takes adapting them. And to use a ratio of transitions from one sport to another and the successes from such as a comparison for superiority, then you need a course in cuesports.
If snooker is the superior sport, why has nothing been officially stated about it? Why is it all the would-be YouTube pros that make all the claims? I don't ever recall any grand committee of judges either..
When you say things like this "Shooting a ball 10 feet away and 5 feet away is the same, it's a line.." I'm more inclined to think that you could do with a 'course in cuesports'.
If we could bet, it would be fun to set up a load of straight in shots - you shooting from 10ft away and me from 5ft away. Higher success rate takes the cash. By your estimates, assuming equal ability of both players, this is a coin toss? Both are 'the same', right?
From a mechanics point of view, shooting from different distances is the exact same. If you're shooting a straight line, as far as fundamentals and stroke are concerned, it's no different in any case. Cloth dirt or debris is the only unknown variable, but also has nothing to do with the player's ability.
And yes, if we did your little bet, it would be a coin toss.
@poostinkpoo1 one thing's for sure , snooker players suck at pool and vice-versa...It's hard to master both disciplines. Snooker players may have no problem potting balls in pool but they get stuck on position play and using english the latter being crucial in pool...most snooker players usually hit center ball (follow/draw) all the time and vary speed..
about the which sport is harder question: i bet ya that ronnie, if he trained for a year at 9 ball pool, could become a world champion of this sport, but i seriously doubt that wu chia-ching could do the same in snooker if he traines for a year.. it's much harder to become good at snooker than pool. i learned in one year to play pool decent enough to sometimes clear the table from one visit, but i can hardly make 5-6 consecutive pots at snooker, even if i play for 3 years now as often as i can
@minsenkakashi
Please tell me your joking
AjLeapz 6 days ago
i prefer playing pool, but i prefer watching snooker
ManowarFan1985 1 week ago
i used to play snooker all the time, i wasnt particularly great at it, but i was pretty good like. i tried pool, and i can get break to blacks a lot haha, snooker > pool, not an argument, its fact :p
omartron 3 weeks ago
Ronnie kind of looks like Mr.Bean
punkwarlord 1 month ago
thats what you get for playing with shit tips
themothmanreturns 3 months ago
first ball in pocket
tht was funny
:-D
talhajutt1 4 months ago
meisenkakashi shut up you fool your comment is ridiculous
rvpnumb 4 months ago
Snooker for kids 9ball for masters
minsenkakashi 5 months ago
@minsenkakashi Other way round man
JackHMeenanThe1st 1 month ago
snooker is several times tough to master then pool.
sunny3909 6 months ago
Playing 9 ball on a snooker table. Think about it.
tosykosyhaha 6 months ago
snooker is a fucking boring game for pool players thats why no pool player goes to play snooker.snooker is all about aim.u need skills to to win 9 ball.example is right in front of your eyes.the best snooker player is getting his ass kicked by a 17 years old lol
sumonsarkar93 7 months ago
@sumonsarkar93 Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about, go try to play snooker, this guy has 11 official maximum in tournaments, he's a genius beyond your understanding. I've played pool for more than 15 years, played 3 cushion for more than 3, and I just started playing snooker a week ago. Lear a little, in the mean time, be quiet.
ChemicalPixel 5 months ago
@ChemicalPixel Dont bother with those ignorants most of them never seen a real snooker table an english one that is 12ft x 6ft with tigh pockets, they believe snooker is all about acurracy (aim) they couldn´t be more rong and that shows how stupid and mindless they are both games are great and enjoyable but never be an ignorant ass and say pool is harder than snooker Steve Davis in his 50s kicks ass in Pool
rvpnumb 5 months ago
@rvpnumb i didnt say pool is harder than snooker.i said its harder to win constantly.in snooker more chances are for the better player.better player wins most of the time.anyways ur fucking snooker legend is getting his ass kicked.thats the main story lol
sumonsarkar93 5 months ago
@sumonsarkar93 pff you don´t know shit about Snooker stick to pool son and remain ignorant about other billiards sports.
rvpnumb 5 months ago
@sumonsarkar93
watch?v=e3Vu0iCRuYw
this is the so-called best yanks in snooker, lmfao. wake up american n00b, you are only fit for a kiddie pool that's 2 ft deep - stop bothering skilled adults. n00b.
GoldenBoyHendry 5 months ago
@ChemicalPixel i didnt say that sullivan is not a legend.i said it because everywhere i open a 9 ball game i see some fucking snooker hooligans there.if u dont like or respect 9 ball player why the fuck u watching and vuisiting every 9 ball videos fucking morons.and i honestlly dont think u r a good player either.15 years playing doesnt change a thing if u dont have talent.look at this kid or even ronniee .they were genius when they werekid.anyways go and play ur fucking snooker moron.
sumonsarkar93 5 months ago
@sumonsarkar93 You definitely sound like a genius to me, one that can't spell "visiting". I'm not a pool player, I barely played in the last ten years. And by the way, when I was 18, after only a year playing pool, I was running racks and shooting shots that many people won't shoot in their lifetimes. But, I don't like to brag.
On another note, you are a fucking disrespectful bitch, one does not deserve any kind of attention, so go fuck yourself. And stop being suck a whinnying baby you cunt!
ChemicalPixel 5 months ago
@sumonsarkar93
watch?v=e3Vu0iCRuYw
another ignorant yankee moron. right, it's all about aim, that's why these idiots can't even string 2 pots together. go back to playing in your 2 feet deep kiddie pool you moron and stop bothering adults.
GoldenBoyHendry 5 months ago
I think the difference between snooker and pool players would be more obvious if they played 14.1 instead of 9 ball
wotg 7 months ago
For the benefit of our American friends - snooker rhymes with bazooka, not hooker.
That is all. ^_^
Camberwell86 8 months ago
@Camberwell86 i think it depends on the accent with which you speak. americans pronounce the errr like errr. so maybe bazooker instead of hooker.
wimpylassiter2336 8 months ago
@wimpylassiter2336 Yeah but in every pool tournament where the commentators refer to snooker, they say "snucker" every single time (as in "hooker"). IT'S NOT SNUCKER! It's "snooker". Say "snoo" (rhymes with "who"). Say "ker" (rhymes with "her"). Simple. Snooker, not snucker!
Camberwell86 8 months ago
@Camberwell86 reread the last sentence of my comment.
wimpylassiter2336 8 months ago
@wimpylassiter2336 Well it's an English word, and in England it's pronounced more like snooka rather than snookerrrrrr.
Camberwell86 8 months ago
@Camberwell86 yes, im saying that as a reference for when americans say it. english--snookeh. usa- snooker. we agree, we are just having a communication failure.
wimpylassiter2336 8 months ago
@wimpylassiter2336 Haha - divided by a common language. Peace ^_^
PS: Are you a fan of snooker? Ever watch it?
Camberwell86 8 months ago
@Camberwell86 huge fan of snooker. im an american pool player, and i realize the snooker players shotmaking is far and above the level of pool players, generally.
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wimpylassiter2336 8 months ago
@Camberwell86 oh huge fan. ive played it a few times and realize the incredible precision needed to play snooker.
wimpylassiter2336 8 months ago
@Camberwell86 huge fan. ive played a few times and i realize the inncredible precision it takes to play snooker.
wimpylassiter2336 8 months ago
look how easy pool is, pool players doesn't even have to have straight cueing,
simon147snooker 8 months ago
Efren plays snooker in the 80's when he was called to test agains Marlon Manalo as the Philippine representative, and the way I remembered Efren scores high in his game even if he doesn't practice, unfortunately, videos are not present at those times...
tairyvolt49 8 months ago
Is it just me or does it lookr eally stupid compared to snooker, especially the table size.
CPPDevelopment 9 months ago
pool players couldnt play snooker to a high level because their technique is sloppy. no chin on cue, jumpy movement on shot. you can get away with it with pockets the size of buckets, but in snooker, attention to detail is scrutinised
johnykoop 9 months ago
what ever, the invention of both games came from the english, so fuck off
MU5CULAR 9 months ago 6
@TheGree8 The post for vadertuber was meant for you!
gumaming 10 months ago
@TheGree8 The post for vadertuber was meant for you. @vadertuber, sorry mate.
gumaming 10 months ago
@vadertuber ...simply because the money wasn't there(also considering money games). From Daryl Peach's testimony, Reyes even beat Steve Davis and Jimmy White in a snooker money game. Regardless if its snooker or pool I respect these players (Efren,Jimmy,Steve,Ronnie O) in making billiards exciting, to get out of their comfort zone to compete and have fun.
gumaming 10 months ago
@vadertuber its not about the game, snooker or pool. Its about the PLAYERS' SKILL. This proves true for a player who loves competition, WIN OR LOSE, in all forms of billiards. No one else so versatile in this world than Efren Reyes. To say that a pool player cannot beat a snooker player even for single frame in a snooker game is downright idiotic. This truly reflects the ignorance of snooker fans. In the 80s Reyes won a snooker tourney in Asia with 2 century breaks. He did not continue to play
gumaming 10 months ago
why every one is debating about pool and snooker? there are 4 kind of billiard games and other two are carom and Russian billiard... I've seen Blomdal(best three cushion billiards player) won Efren Rayes both in Carom and pool... Evgeny Stalev (Russian Billiard player) is one of the best pool Player too... I can bet that there is no Snooker player that would win even single Russian Pyramid game, the same can be said to Three cushion billiard... so shut up snooker fags!!!
Irakli1981 10 months ago 2
@Irakli1981
i absolutely agree. i saw those matches with efren and blomdal, they were just amazing. im mexican but i play russian billiards, snooker and pool. russian billiards is by far the hardest ive played, but my favorite. i havent had the chance to play 3 cushions (im looking forward to play it) but i studied the diamond formulas and it seems pretty damn tricky. good job for sayin "shut up snooker fags", i admire pro snooker players, but these guys are just phoneys
octaviocvzs 10 months ago
every game has its own significance !!! comparing them is ridiculous !!
musawwirahmad66 11 months ago
Snooker vs Pool ... the never ending story ..
BartjeOstend 1 year ago 17
@BartjeOstend no. it ends with the fact that snooker is harder. thats the end of the story.
NEMZOOO 7 months ago
@NEMZOOO whats the best ? Coffee or tea ?
BartjeOstend 7 months ago
@BartjeOstend tea :)
NEMZOOO 7 months ago
@NEMZOOO T 4 2 ;)
BartjeOstend 7 months ago
@BartjeOstend Box Vs. Kick Box ... Pointless.
dragovic90srb 5 months ago
@dragovic90srb ;)
BartjeOstend 5 months ago
Every video it has the same mundane argument over snooker & pool. I personally prefer pool as snooker bores the hell out of me these days.
SoooBlue 1 year ago
My view on snooker vs pool is like this: it is definitely easier to pot a ball in pool (this shouldn't have any dispute on), but it does not make pool an easier game. You may say 'it is so easy to pot in pool that a worse player can beat a better player easily, and so it is an easier game!' But is this sound? Or does that mean that pool is in fact a harder game because it is harder to win even if you are better?
anttiniemi2000 1 year ago
@anttiniemi2000 I believe that you may say it is harder, or it is easier, but for me, I will say that they are different. We play snooker on a table with balls with a cue, and we play pool in the same format. Nevertheless, they are not two things that share such a high degree of similarities that we can compare them easily. For example, I disagree with the saying that 'snooker is the harder version of pool.' This is because they are basically two different games!
anttiniemi2000 1 year ago
@anttiniemi2000 Comparing snooker and pool is like comparing basketball and football. Which one is harder? It is not an answerable question, for they are too different. I think that's the reason why the on-going debate on whether pool or snooker is better makes very little process, for the nature of the debate hinders it. I play both games, with different kinds of enjoyments. I feel good when I make a high snooker break, and also when I run a rack of pool.
anttiniemi2000 1 year ago
@anttiniemi2000 Isn't it bad when one cannot enjoy both great games simply because of some sort of biases?
It seems that, from my words, I favours pool over snooker. It is not the case: I am neutral between the two games. I simply thinks that most of the commnets are unfair to pool and that I want to, well, be more fair.
anttiniemi2000 1 year ago
@anttiniemi2000 Its about skill ceilings and the significance of luck in a game. On a good day I could beat Ronnie in a best of 5 at pool, chance allows this, I dont think even after a million games I'd beat him in one frame of snooker. Thats not arguing that the best pool players in the world are in any way inferior to snooker players, just whether the significance on chance affecting outcomes is detrimental to your enjoyment.
vadertuber 1 year ago
The thing with snooker is, you HAVE to think a shot ahead maybe even 2-3 ahead....myself personally never playing 9-ball, it seems to me that you can just play it pritty much ball to ball. but hey, that could just be ignorance on my part or bias twoards Snooker :P
Also @Bryanzkhi
I think that in regards to dimensions, the size of the table comes into play. Snooker you have be more spacially aware of what your playing and your positional play is pritty much EVERYTHING, more important than 9Ball.
JackMCFCShaw 1 year ago
@JackMCFCShaw Snooker pro's think 4 shots ahead which I think is astonishing!! When I play snooker I tend to think 1 or 2 shots ahead. I guess thats why i'm not very good. When I play pool I often, like you said ,play ball to ball and end up 7 balling my opponents. Snooker is much more tactical and defensive to pool which is why i prefer it.
Grimsbyareace 1 year ago
@Grimsbyareace yes, but pool players think 8 shots ahead in 8 ball, 9 shots aahead in 9 ball, 10 shots ahead in t10 ball and so on
darkjedi327 1 year ago
snooker is really a tough game but i think 9 ball pool got more dimensions in creativity and shot making than snooker
bryanzkhi 1 year ago
ffs that cunts accent is so ANNOYING!!!!! Sound's like a moron!!! Snurkur player? ENGLISH MOTHER FUCK SPEAK IT!!!!!!!! American cunts RONNIE FUCK THE YANK CUNTS UP AND I'LL SEE YA IN THE PUB NEXT WEEK!!!
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mrdrewparker1 1 year ago
i respect pool as a sport and enjoy playing it but in terms of whats harder its not even close at all snooker is miles harder and none of these 9 ball players would win frames in snooker against top players
andos8888 1 year ago
@andos8888 but there are sme idiot that believe its possible. If they played snooker with Ronnie they couldnt hit 1 frame for sure. Snooker is very very hard. i consider myself a good pool player, have nice results and my best at snooker is 28 lol.
fdgto 1 year ago
2.06 > CRAP
BernalCross 1 year ago
ronnie looks like he's fucking hate playing pool....
jonathanchuah 1 year ago
i have only watched snooker before but can anyone tell me if Wu meant to leave the ball so close to the cushion for the final shot, or was he out of position? it just looked to me that his positioning wasnt the best but i dont know if he meant that
Auron710 1 year ago
Any snooker player from the main tour could practise pool, mostly the break, for a few weeks and play tough matches with the best pool players. But none of the pool players would ever even make it to main tour in snooker.
TheGree8 1 year ago 63
@TheGree8 You really should go back to the basics if you believe any of that statement.
SnareBuff 1 year ago
@TheGree8 Who are you guys?Expert snooker players? What is your name? High run?How many major tournaments have you been in Snooker? Pool? Until you can prove to me by winning BOTH kinds of major tournaments will I agree with you.Gimme a break, you're just being a snob, know-it-all.You NEVER hear top snooker players bad mouth pool cuz they understand both games.
lemonite1 1 year ago
@lemonite1 ...and you're probably another american who has never watched snooker. Players like Tony Drago, Steve Davis, Ronnie o'Sullivan have spent their entire life on a snooker table and when they play pool they are good. I'm from Finland, the country where Mika Immonen, one of the best pool players in history is from. He can play snooker and make a 100 break every now and then but even he has said he would never master it. Take a look at the game for once and you'll see how much it requires
TheGree8 1 year ago
@TheGree8 No, I have played snooker, I'm not Davis or O'sullivan but I can play it.You haven't answered my question,Who are you and what is your name?What makes you an expert where you can make claims like,"pool players would never make it to tour in snooker." Do you really know these pool players?If you can make claims like that then you must be an expert at both games.Would you put money on these pool players against snooker players in ANY game? BET!
lemonite1 1 year ago
@lemonite1 i said watched, not played. I would love to see a professional pool player play a match with Ronnie, Ding, Murphy, Higgins etc. I can assure you, they would not win a frame. Not badmouthing pool but thats just how it is. I could bet on Ronnie to win the match against Wu Chia-Ching or Mika Immonen because its possible he could win. Would you bet on them against Ronnie on a snooker table?
TheGree8 1 year ago
@TheGree8 And you're probably another nuthugging snooker fanboy who doesn't know jack shit about any game. Mika didn't grow up playing snooker, he grew up playing a different game (the name escapes me) played on a 5x10 table.If memory serves me correctly, Drago is the only snooker player to win a big pool title, but you can't not practice pool and expect to do even remotely well. YOU should take a look at both games and see how much they require.
SnareBuff 1 year ago
@TheGree8 And by the way, I've watched plenty of matches with the players you've mentioned, and I have watched them struggle on the easiest of shots, especially Ronnie in this particular match. I've watched Davis and Drago also struggle too. Snooker players can't play pool position, they can play snooker position. Most of the time they play out of line and force themselves to take long shots. Most of the time they don't think all the way through the rack, and only plan 1 ball at a time.
SnareBuff 1 year ago
@TheGree8 The whole point is that you can't come into foreign territory without the necessary skillset, from any avenue. You don't play the same type of shots in snooker as you do in pool, and vice versa. Even the equipment is different. There's more than just the way things look that determines how hard something is. Take Steve Davis' words to heart "any snooker player that thinks he's gonna come into this game and learn it in a couple of years really needs to reassess the situation."
SnareBuff 1 year ago
@SnareBuff well, Mark Selby is the 8ball world champion from 2006 and very respected player in snooker. Ronnie didn't win anything in pool and its understandable. They struggle in Pool, of course, because they are Snooker players. They have days when they can't pot the easiest ball in snooker too. I wasn't saying any snooker player can come from nowhere and beat the pool stars. But they do have a better shot in winning matches than a pool player would on snooker table.
TheGree8 1 year ago
@TheGree8 Yes I'm aware of that, and if memory serves me correctly, Selby started off playing english 8 ball and progressed to snooker. It's sort of funny because english pool is played on a 3x6 table, smaller than even an american barbox, and snooker supporters ALWAYS say that pool players can't hack it in snooker. Selby is living proof. I'll admit a snooker player could probably do well in straight pool or 8 ball, since it's all pattern play, but not without putting in the time and practice.
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mropinionated100 1 year ago
@TheGree8 And actually, yes, you did say that snooker players could come from nowhere and beat pool stars. You didn't come out and say the word "beat", but you did say that a snooker player could practice for a few weeks, especially the break, and play with the top pros. It takes more than a few weeks to become proficient enough for competition. Even Davis says "any snooker player that thinks he's gonna come into this game and learn it in a couple of years needs to reasses the situation."
SnareBuff 1 year ago
@TheGree8 Playing any cuesport gives you the foundation to move across the grid.The biggest differences aside from just the games themselvs is equipment. Snooker differs vastly from pool. The points of the pockets are rounded, not allowing you much room to cheat the pocket. Pool pockets are called huge, but since they're square cut, a ball ricochets into the pocket if it hits one side of it. Speed and angle play a very vital factor in that regard.
SnareBuff 1 year ago
@TheGree8 Alot of people don't have any clue about the equipment becoming a factor, and just take a look and assume things are harder or easier. We're comparing 2 different formats. It would be different if we were comparing the same thing on a different scale, but we're not. One of the biggest differences is cloth speed. Snooker cloth is much faster, so it's not like you have to pound the ball to get it moving.
SnareBuff 1 year ago
@TheGree8 I'll comment on one more thing. You may believe snooker players have a higher percentage winning a pool match rather than a pool player winning a snooker match, and that's all founded in shotmaking. Snooker players try to shoot their way into a runout, often getting out of line. A pool player stepping into snooker would have to adjust to not being able to use english as much, since 80% of shots are played with it. It's like learning to walk all over again.
SnareBuff 1 year ago
@SnareBuff Yes, i am a fan of Snooker. To me it's far more interesting to watch because one miss or how you get the break doesnt automatically cost you a frame. Snooker is far more tactical and safety play is a huge part of the game.
TheGree8 1 year ago
@TheGree8 You still don't get it do you? You're entitled to your opinion on which you'd rather watch, but to say it's more tactical is astonishing. You may be forced to play alot of safeties, but don't forget that pool involves alot of safety play too. Watch a high quality one pocket match and tell me about tactics. If anything, 9 ball is one of the most pressure-filled games in the world. You can do all the work and miss the 9 and lose. You MUST perform at your highest or you hand it all away.
SnareBuff 1 year ago
I believe Bustamante made it in snooker before and Tony Drago.
iCarroller 10 months ago
@iCarroller Bustamante was never a professional in Snooker. Tony Drago was Snooker first, pool second.. like Ronnie O'sullivan in this video.
Veneratio10 9 months ago
@TheGree8 WELL SAID!!
johnykoop 9 months ago
@TheGree8
Very true that pool players can't make the transition to snooker. Believe me I have tried (I got a 46 break). But it also goes both ways. When I take my Snooker friends to play nine ball, I win. It is a very short and strategic game.
No disrespect. I love both games. And O'Sullivan is obviously beyond human.
OM3N1R 9 months ago
@TheGree8 You cant compare apples with oranges. I dont see any snooker player winning any pool tournaments. I'm sure if you ask some good pool player, they can stll play pretty good snooker. Having said that.. both are different games, different emphasis.. Pool is more angles, knowing 3 cushion , 4 cushion.. Snooker mostly just accuracy.. and gaurding.. The way you gaurd on snooker is not the same as on pool..
rheographics 8 months ago
@rheographics Tony Drago is a snooker player..he has won a few Pool tournaments in his years..Allison Fisher...we all know her right...A snooker player...theres one from each sex...There are more.
WolfieTed 8 months ago
That's a very stupid shot on the 7 ball by Sullivan. He knows it's terribly stupid, I'm sure. =)
petermagic 1 year ago
I love 9 ball pool
diogotomediogo 2 years ago
@diogotomediogo i hate american pool, that makes us even
1337ASM 1 year ago
i notice a few things:
1. he plays it lot slower than when he plays snooker
2. he's so uncomfortable with his casual wear
3. how fit-in it when he puts the chalk on the bench
4. i never notice how busty the ref. is until now
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Arbitrage is a cum-guzzling GOOK!
Dannyneedsgolfshoes 2 years ago
To trinomial tree: it seems as if you were replying as arbitrage or for arbitrage, but in any case, I never mentioned any process. You call me thick and a moron yet you can't read 3 fuckin sentences? That's a winner for sure.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
finally you are swearing. nice. there goes your point about civility, moron. i sense someone getting defensive. haha
trinomialtree 2 years ago
I sense someone getting defensive.. Why are you going to such extent to describe the effort required to log into YouTube and post? I wonder...
SnareBuff 2 years ago
lord, you are thick. i did not describe any process. i stated that it requires minimal effort. can't you read? sorry, i forgot, you are a moron.
trinomialtree 2 years ago
I must say arbitrage, you have provided much entertainment to me. I don't think I've never seen someone bend over backwards as hard as you have to try and insult me. You must REALLY care. I'm flattered.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Once again, the quotations are derived from opinion. I still believe that each game is difficult in it's own right, but not moreso than another. Call me hardheaded, I don't care, but ball pocketing and table size are hardly grounds for a comparison of difficulty.
Like I said, you may as well be comparing tennis and ping-pong. It's essentially the same arguement is it not?
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Cont'd from Peter Bardez:
"That is not all. Besides for the tools of playing being harder in snooker the table is more difficult also. The pockets are smaller like everything else. And on the top of that the edges are shaped in such a way that you have to get the ball in directly, not by hitting the walls of the pocket."
trinomialtree 2 years ago
Quoted from author Peter Bardez:
"...but unlike pool you need to be at your sharpest while playing. With snooker the cue tip is much smaller than in pool and if you miss even the slightest you won't be able to pocket the ball. Also the balls are smaller so the slightest error in choosing the correct cut is greatly exaggerated."
trinomialtree 2 years ago
Quoted from PoolTablePlans:
"More skill is required to play snooker than pool since the table is larger, the pockets narrower, the pocket lead-in curved and the balls smaller.
Pool is more common in the United States than snooker. Certain states have a concentration of snooker popularity including Colorado, deep South and the mid-West in the United States. Once a person plays snooker, they become better at pool since the accuracy is critical to snooker."
trinomialtree 2 years ago
@trinomialtree If that's the case, why don't snooker players play Pyramids?
lemonite1 2 years ago
why should they, since there is no professional association or events for pyramids and therefore, limited or no prize money.
trinomialtree 2 years ago
Isn't it though?
SnareBuff 2 years ago
As you wish arbitrage. Continue with your insults, feel free. You're obviously one of the descendants of the British Army officers who created this game. Or better yet, you're a great grandson of Joe Davis aren't you? The trolling will never end, I accept that. I'm off to find a debate on tennis vs ping pong.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
I don't recall ever seeing any legitimate reasons why snooker is the superior game. All I've heard is bigger table and smaller pockets. If that's the only explanation that someone has for superiority, then I'm not the moron here.
The pros always make the games look easy because they've spent long hours practicing everything, but in reailty it's not as simple as it looks. I'll give you that snooker is a difficult game, and much more different than pool, but not superior. No game is.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
This whole cuesport debate is ridiculous. I wonder how many people watch tennis videos and ping pong videos and debate which one is the tougher sport.
Again, I must ask. Why is it that bias snooker fans make their way into pool videos and talk trash? It never fails. Just about every pool video has some sort of comment in it that's bashing pool and saying snooker is superior. It's always the YouTube pros that say such things, never the real pros.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Its really not ridiculous considering that a) pool is a variation of billiards/snooker (Americans changed the table size and rules from points scored to balls potted circa early 1900s) and b) scientific research carried out by a team at Bristol University on different tables found that running simulations which included calculations of a spectrum of ball velocities and angles (x pocket latency), on avg. it is 60% harder to pot a ball in snooker vs. pool
QuasiConvexAnalysis 2 years ago
I have to hand it to you arbitrage, you get more and more ridiculous with each comment. You've tried discrediting each of my posts with your worthless insults. You've tried just about every different angle as far as insulting me goes, and you keep coming up with the same things.
Tell me arbitrage, how come the snooker pros that play pool never say tell a pool player that pool is a game for kids? Why don't the people who are involved debate this? Why just the YouTube kids? Can you answer that?
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Yes, I'm such an insult. You believe I'm a moron because you have no way of putting snooker above pool. Why? Because it's a different area in the realm of pocket billiards, and for some reason, you nuthugging fanboys always seem to make your way into pool videos and protest that snooker players are the most talented people in cuesports. Go ahead, see if O'Sullivan will walk up to Efren Reyes or Semih Sayginer and tell them he's better because he plays snooker. It won't happen.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
F1 is more prestigious huh.. I got it. You're the expert here aren't you? You're the one that knows everything about everything aren't you?
Take your bias and shove it someplace else. You take your own bias opinions and try throwing them on others, using insults as some kind of backing. Honestly, grow up. I never insulted you once in this whole debate, and you've been trying to slam me left and right. Maybe a bit disgruntled are you? A failure at cuesports who idolizes snooker players? Hmmmmm
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Snooker players to made a successful transition to pool like Imran Majid and Tony Drago, don't think so...
lakunas23 2 years ago
I'll be sure to do that. While I'm there, I'll be sure to pick you up a book on pool so you can learn what you obviously don't know.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Perhaps I forgot to mention that I've done more than watch the sports. I've played them extensively as well.
But all is ok. You obviously have nothing to add to this outside of insults. I'm finished with you. Have a good one.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
But in any case, I see no knowledge coming from you. The only things I've seen were insults and nasty name-calling bouts. Anybody that knows cuesports beyond first glance are much more than what you see. Also, if there's any reference by how easy the games appear by the pros, my sympathy is extended. The pros ALWAYS make the game look easy because they're calm under pressure and have experience in high tension matches. No game is easy, and no game is superior. Learn that, and learn it well.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Snooker players are far superior cueists. Simple as that. Snooker requires far more skill. Too many reasons to list, but I'll have a go if you want.
feraljim 2 years ago
Here's another one...
Look, all you people that swear up and down that snooker is more superior and requires more than pool, go watch the 1999 WPC match between Efren Reyes and Hao-Ping Chang. Listen to the commentary from the british announcers as far as the differences between the two games. Particularly watch part 4 and listen to Steve Davis, and listen closely.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Did I SAY watching YouTube? I don't ever remember saying that.. Sure I've watched YouTube matches and studied them, but I've also watched alot of movies from the AccuStats library and listened to the commentary that they do OVER the normal commentary. I've watched alot of matches and watched each different player and how they address a situation, with special attention to those switching over games. Players from each game play the same type of shot very differently. Some with success, some not.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
If I recall, I didn't say I had any qualifications, but I did say that YOU don't have any. After studying countless matches of Pool, Snooker, and Billiards, I've acquired knowledge of each sport, and have concluded that each sport is different in every way. The only similarity is that one ball is being shot into another. Strategy, approach, scoring, equipment, rules, and more: all of it is different. You may as well say that ping pong is harder than tennis or vice versa.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
No qualifications hm? You make it sound as if you're some esteemed member of the cuesport community with some grand amount of knowledge. If you had ANY knowledge of cuesports as a whole you would recognize what's going on here.
Have any opinion you want, it doesn't make a difference to me.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Of course there's no point arguing or debating with me. You have no idea what you're talking about. The only points brought forward in this whole debate have been the size of the table and the size of the pockets. It's been insisted that due to the size of the table that playing position is hard, and that the size of the pockets make it near impossible to pocket a ball. Those are the only points put forward, and that is a moronic conclusion. Learn about cuesports before coming back.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Sure pal, whatever you say.
Before you try to and argue a point with me that one sport is harder than another, try looking at every sport with an open mind. If you're trying to tell me that by the size of the table and size of the pockets that a game requires the most precision and talent, you need to step away from this whole debate. Each game is different and requires different approaches. You can have the best strategy, but with no technique to execute, you won't get anywhere.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Rofl, whatever you say pal.
It would be different if the debate weren't fueled by snooker bias. Change the size of the table and the size of the pockets and all of the sudden a game becomes superior with more talented players? Get a grip. If you classify the game as superior simply by the conditions for pocketing balls and the larger table then you need a serious lesson in cuesports.
Watch the 1999 WPC match between Reyes and Chang. Watch part 4 and listen to Steve Davis at about 5:40.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Ah, so because I'm an American all of the sudden makes me clueless.. You really don't make any sense whatsoever. You're making this an issue of heritage, when heritage has no involvement in this debating at all. The people hoisting the snooker banner here are trying to make snooker look like the superior sport with the most talented players, but in reality, every cuesport is extremely difficult with each having talented players, none more talented than someone in a different sport. Get a clue.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
snooker is a harder sport than pool, simple as that
poostinkpoo1 2 years ago
Really good there arbitrage. You have nothing to add to this debate minus your petty insults. Kindly keep to yourself.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
snooker is harder than pool!!!!come on it isn't even close
andos8888 2 years ago
Here's another one... Do you people know ANYTHING about cuesports aside from your own opinions? There's a few things in every game that are slightly more difficult or different than the others (at least I think so) but there's no way to call one sport harder than another. There's completely different approaches and strategies in every game, so there's no real foundation for comparison. Besides, if there was a "higher sport" we would've heard something by now from pros that know about it.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
OK its simple this guy playing ronnie would never ever beat ronnie in a game of snooker say best of 9 match wheras ronnie can beat him on another day playing 9 ball.What do you mean "higher sport"all the pros say snooker is harder simple as.
andos8888 2 years ago
Oh can he now? So he loses, and that means nothing, that he'll just beat him another day? THAT makes alot of sense... Pros may say snooker is hard, but it's not harder than pool or billiards. Billiards is comprised of multiple games, requiring multiple approaches. Pool is the same. Many different games, many different variations. Snooker is itself, and generally the same.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
HAHAHA yes he can beat him another day im not saying everytime or even next time as u say but ronnie is capable of beating him.The chinese player would never ever beat ronnie in a game of snooker.How you can say pool is harder than snooker is beyond me and most ppl who know cuesports
andos8888 2 years ago
I wouldn't make that assumption. It's possible that Wu wouldn't beat Ronnie in snooker. I'm not sure how much experience that Wu has in the sport, but Ronnie has played 9-ball before. If you watched the whole match, Jim Wych talks to Ronnie before the match and Ronnie says "of course this is all just experience for me." Now, this is only speculation, it sounds like Ronnie is saying he's only in the tournament to learn, and doesn't really have a chance to win, but of course, that's only a guess.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Sure... Because you're in such a position to make that call right? Just the same as you people making the call on which sport is better. Who are you to make such a claim? If you're someone so important, why are you behind your keyboard trash-talking on YouTube? If you're such experts, then why do I keep seeing "I can sometimes clear a pool table but can't make a 25 break"? If you're such experts, you'd be at the top of both sports and well known. Bottom line, you are arguing opinions, so drop it
SnareBuff 2 years ago
You're comparing shooting a gun and shooting a ball in cuesports? And you called ME a moron... Shooting a gun at a target over a distance is different because of wind conditions and other conditions. Shooting a ball on a table (given the table is level) is much simpler. If you shoot straight on 6 feet or 12 feet, it doesn't change that you shoot straight. Everything else past the initial stroke is all dependant on the table.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
If you shoot straight on 6 feet or 12 feet, it doesn't change that you shoot straight. Everything else past the initial stroke is all dependant on the table.
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your answering your own question
a straight mid table pot on a snooker table is a tougher one than that on a pool table
its evident when snooker players can take 9 ball players on at their own game and give them a run for their money
poostinkpoo1 2 years ago
Not from a perspective of stroke, only from that of cloth debris. If you shoot a ball in a straight line, it doesn't matter what size of table it is. Shooting a ball 10 feet away and 5 feet away is the same, it's a line..
Snooker players may adapt to pool, but that's because they already have all the tools needed, they just need tweaked to pool. They have stroke, position play, and table knowledge, all they need is to learn the necessary strategy. It's not like they're completely new.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
yeah but you can agree that transferring from snooker to pool is easier for a pro than pool to snooker
which in turn makes snooker a harder game to master
poostinkpoo1 2 years ago 38
The only reason I mentioned snooker players transitioning to pool is because it was being discussed in your comment.
Pool players can transition to snooker just as well as snooker players transitioining to pool. It's just adapting to new equipment, new rules, and a new approach. Practice is all that's necessary. You're making snooker sound like it's the most difficult game ever created... Snooker may be the more played game in Europe, but that doesn't mean it's superior. It's preference.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Going on evidence, the transition certainly is not as easy from pool to snooker.
Drago has won major pool tournaments against pool pros, which he never managed in snooker. Peach was world 9 ball champion, but could barely get in the top 200 at snooker. Mizerak and Rempe tried to qualify for the World Snooker Championships in the 1980s, when the depth of talent was nowhere near where it is now, and they didn't get close.
A snooker player's technique transfers better to pool than vice versa.
nugget147 2 years ago
Evidence? Ha. Drago won, that's true. I'll give you that much, as I don't know much about his pool career. Peach has played pool pro for over 10 years, did you ever read about that? Mizerak and Rempe may not have qualified, but they're not the only people who have tried the transition. There are plenty of people who play pool that had successes in snooker. The ratio of pool to snooker and vice versa may be based off of personal preference. I don't think many consider that.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
Most peple don't realize that if you're professional in cuesports, you've got all the necessary tools, it just takes adapting them. And to use a ratio of transitions from one sport to another and the successes from such as a comparison for superiority, then you need a course in cuesports.
If snooker is the superior sport, why has nothing been officially stated about it? Why is it all the would-be YouTube pros that make all the claims? I don't ever recall any grand committee of judges either..
SnareBuff 2 years ago
When you say things like this "Shooting a ball 10 feet away and 5 feet away is the same, it's a line.." I'm more inclined to think that you could do with a 'course in cuesports'.
If we could bet, it would be fun to set up a load of straight in shots - you shooting from 10ft away and me from 5ft away. Higher success rate takes the cash. By your estimates, assuming equal ability of both players, this is a coin toss? Both are 'the same', right?
nugget147 2 years ago
From a mechanics point of view, shooting from different distances is the exact same. If you're shooting a straight line, as far as fundamentals and stroke are concerned, it's no different in any case. Cloth dirt or debris is the only unknown variable, but also has nothing to do with the player's ability.
And yes, if we did your little bet, it would be a coin toss.
SnareBuff 2 years ago
@poostinkpoo1 propper pool (british pool) has the same pocket & ball size as snooker.. and ronnie can finish 15 balls in about 65 s
1337ASM 1 year ago
@poostinkpoo1 one thing's for sure , snooker players suck at pool and vice-versa...It's hard to master both disciplines. Snooker players may have no problem potting balls in pool but they get stuck on position play and using english the latter being crucial in pool...most snooker players usually hit center ball (follow/draw) all the time and vary speed..
alexacru 1 year ago
@poostinkpoo1 you don't know that
lemonite1 1 year ago
@poostinkpoo1 from snooker to pool is like going from PGA to senior PGA. There is no such thing as to from pool to snooker, sorry.
Bossiiiii 11 months ago
about the which sport is harder question: i bet ya that ronnie, if he trained for a year at 9 ball pool, could become a world champion of this sport, but i seriously doubt that wu chia-ching could do the same in snooker if he traines for a year.. it's much harder to become good at snooker than pool. i learned in one year to play pool decent enough to sometimes clear the table from one visit, but i can hardly make 5-6 consecutive pots at snooker, even if i play for 3 years now as often as i can
Calinn86 2 years ago
Go watch the 1999 WPC match of Efren Reyes and Hao Ping Chang. Watch part 4 and go to the 5:40 marker in that video. Have a listen to Steve Davis.