Lets not forget uncle Same created both! if there is anyone to be judged here we need to try to see the big picture with the real story behind it and how American people got played just for the interest of a few people that are benefiting from this and how they are presenting this story to the world, makes me sick..., sad for the Afghan people as no one deserves such treatment under pretty names like freedom and democracy that no one is getting a piece of but a few twisted evil men
@califranky America had a hand in creating Al-Qaeda, but not Taliban..
Al-Qaeda was smuggled into Afghanistan through Pakistan in the 80's with fighters from all over the Arab world..Whereas Taliban is an indigenous movement which was started in 94 by a man called Mullah Omar, long after America had left the region on its own..
@nilo723 Please correct me if I´m wrong, after Commander Masoud´s murder, that was also another work of the CIA the Taliban was given power as it was the only organized movement at the time in Afghanistan after A lQaeda, maybe i got it wrong but my source is from US military intel
@califranky You are completely wrong..Coz Massood died only few days before 9/11..And indeed it was the work of CIA or Al-Ciada..
Whereas Taliban had established its govt in Kabul long before that..And they had infact refused the oil pipeline deal of UNOCAL that America wanted them to sign..
As Muslims,why do we support the killing of innocent Muslims and non-Muslims when our own Quran tells us that we can't even harm animals/plants during war?Why do we support people such as the Taliban who think it's okay to mistreat women we we feel like it?Why do we not tolerate other religions and ideas when the Umayyood and Abbassid Caliphates thrived because of toleration?I know that Western media can exaggerate but still, we have brothers and sisters who are moving away from the real message
where did the shaikh say the Taliban don't support Al Qa'idah??? subhanallah. All the shaikh said was, Taliban and Al Qa'idah r seperate movements but he never said they hav different goals. They hav the same goal, to expel the crusaders, and re-establish the Khilafah. Just as Al Shabab hav a goal for Somalia, same way, the Taliban hav a goal for Afghanistan. But Al Shabab and Taliban r both in favour of Al Qa'idah. Al Qa'idah r an international Jihadi movement backin the Taliban and Al Shabab
Most American think Muslims are just dumb idiots who know nothing but to kill. Muslims actually have a very rich history and were at the forefront of education and science. Afghanistan has had a bad run of invasions, civil war, and now another war with America. Afghanistan will one day be free and run their own country free from outside interference
If any of you people think that the U.S. was attacked by a group of people who live in caves and learned how to fly single prop planes and then successfully hi-jack not one or two but four jumbo jet airliners that have two huge 8 foot diameter jet engines on their wings. Then crashed them into targeted buildings with immaculate precision. Hitting 3 out of the 4 targets. Oh, and let's not forget that WTC7 building came down at free fall speed like a building being demolished. How?
The fascist US military empire is like a cancer to this world.
They massacre the poor and helpless and occupy their land, install their military bases and oppress them.
The Chinese tried to take Afghanistan, the Soviets tried to take Afghanistan, and now the US will have the same fate! These men and women are brave people and will NEVER GIVE UP!
I am an American and I believed the Taliban were not an external threat to the United States. I believe the Taliban were just concerned with their own country. I understand that the way the Taliban were running their government is certainly not an ideal standard for Americans, but it is none of our buisiness to impose our will on others. Northerners couldn't even impose their will on Southerners after the Civil War in our country, how can we do it in Afghanistan? Seriously...
@nilo723 I want to tell you, it took OVER 100 years for Northern Americans to bring the Southern United States into the rest of the U.S. Our leaders after 9/11 were so stupid, they didn't even read OUR own history. When the Northern Americans tried their "nation building" on the Southerners, you know what happened? The Southerners formed the KKK a radical Christian, racist group who killed any Northerner who tried to impose their will on them. They called these Northerners "carpet-baggers".
@nilo723 The Reconstruction Period after the U.S. Civil War was basically an insurgency that waged for over 100 years. There is NO way the U.S. is going to impose their will on Afghanistan or Iraq in 5 years if they couldn't do it in their own country in less than 100 years! I am not condoning any religious extremist, but George W. Bush was a war-mongerer idiot, moron who didn't know what the hell he was doing.
@Ryanyarb24 Very true they were not a threat but Al Qaeda was. I just wished the Taliban would have handed Bin Laden over and dismantled that organization when we worned them, then we would not be over there. But unfortunately they did not want to betray Al Qaeda, so we invaded and occupied. I wonder if they regret not dismantling Al Qaeda and wonder if it was worth because they would still be in power and all this bloodshed would have been avoided.
@yoyo2ma Hand Osama over they would NEVER , and most of them probably dont even know him but stll they wont hand Osama , why would they ? Rememeber , a enemies enemy is a friend.
If Afghans came to U.S asking for Bush or Obama , would they give him ? NO it would be a world war lol .
U.S is allowed to have as many nukes , kill anyone , go in their country with 200000 people with miltary but nobody else is allowed to do it,
@yoyo2ma al mullah Omar asked the U.S to give him evidences of the involvement of Osama bin laden in the 9/11 attacks,but they didn't so it was normal that he would refuse to hand him over because it's unfair.if Osama bin laden was innocent and they handed him to the U.S what were they going to tell Allah on the day of judgement??this might not be a big deal for Americans but for us Muslims injustice is a big sin.plus we all know 9/11 was an inside job.c'mon.
@imoslimah , the taliban said , give us evidence that osama did it and we will judge him by shariah law,, which he will get death penalty for murdering a mass of people... but bush and other culprits didn't have any evidence and rushed into a war before the american people or any sane person could object to a war and reason ... the truth is 9/11 was done by the same people that pushed for wars .. they are the real terrorist,, (financial terrorists)..
@yoyo2ma al mullah Omar asked the U.S to give him evidences of the involvement of Osama bin laden in the 9/11 attacks,but they didn't so it was normal that he would refuse to hand him over because it's unfair.if Osama bin laden was innocent and they handed him to the U.S what were they going to tell Allah on the day of judgement??this might not be a big deal for Americans but for us Muslims injustice is a big sin.plus we all know 9/11 was an inside job.c'mon.
@GoodieMike God made this earth for all , we all live under the same sky , nobody has the right to go into anyones Country and kill innocent people , that goes for Muslims , Hindus , Christians , anyone. Nobody has the right to kill nobody unless you and your townsman are being attacked and killled and you are fighting to defend and push them out. No woman , baby , old men should be killed , no children either.
@GoodieMike If 10 random Jamaicans came into my house today and robbed and killed my family you think that gives me the right to buy a plane ticket to Jamaica and kill thousands and thousands of Jamaicans for 10 years in total ? they will ofcourse fight back and kill me because I am in their land killing them for no fuking reason due to some random black dudes who nobody even fukin knows.
@TheAfghanJihad Yes, Al-Qaeda supporters like yourself do think so..
But the fact remains that Mullah Muhammad Omar is not a khawarij like Bin Laden who believes in killing innocent people..Omar had asked for proofs against Bin Laden to put him on trial as that liar had lied to Mullah Omar about his terrorist aims..Then later when the invasion started he started to boast about 9/11..
Taliban are not global jihadis..No Afghan gets involved in Al-Qaeda's international terrorism missions..
@nilo723 Thanks for your online khawarij takfeer (that shows your level of thinking). But the fact remains that Mullah Omar is totally against disunion of mujahideen and any person who tries to do so is disassociated from talibans e.g: mutawakil. Those Mujahideen who attacked WTC were trained in kandahar-home city of Mullah Omar. Even osama was known to visit the mujahideen daily. Mutawakil tried to inform fbi, mullah omar disowned him from himself.
Mullah Omar has nothing to do with Al-Qaeda's global terrorism..He was ready to hand over Bin Laden if provided proofs..He demanded proofs in the first place because Bin Laden initially had denied his involvement in terrorism and claimed that America was trying to frame him.
This invasion was not about Al-Qaeda, it was about other demands which Mullah Omar had refused flatly like disbanding Sharia Law
Don't really know about Mutawakil, but Zabihullah Mujahid says the same.
@nilo723 If already mutawakil knows about the WTC attack before then how come mullah omar is not informed about it when he is living in the same city of Kandahar where mujahideen were staying?
@TheAfghanJihad Mutawakil was disowned by Taliban because he switched sides after the invasion..
The fact remains that Taliban did offer to hand over Bin Laden if given proofs, since he had denied involvement in 9/11, which created all the conspiracy theories..The rat should have claimed responsibility at first and then we would have known that Mullah Omar supported his terrorist aims..He only proclaimed his terrorist mind-set once he reached his rat-hole in Pakistan..
Mutawakil did not know about 9/11..He only received information that Al-Qaeda was planning something big, just as Ahmad Shah Masood knew something was going to happen..But it was just considered a rumor..If FBI knew about those planes being hijacked, then surely it would have never happened..
Mullah Omar stated many times that he is fed up of Bin Laden's sermons to the media and he placed a restriction on him about local traveling and talking to media much before 9/11..
@nilo723 So you mean that mullah omar never tried to know more about that "big planning" of their guests before the attacks? and mutawakil never informed his ameer about that "big planning" ?
why mullah omar never investigated about osama by himself after attacks on nairobi embassy & U.S. Cole? why mullah omar allowed osama to train thousands of Muslim youth in Afghanistan?
@TheAfghanJihad Because training people is not a bad thing at all, and OBL had a lot of positive contributions to his credit until 1998..Everyone respected him in Afghanistan..
Mullah Omar did place restrictions on him after 1998, and was demanding proofs if he was involved in terrorism..Since Bin Laden was only a financier and ideologue, America could not find proofs against him or maybe purposely withheld them..
As i said, Mutawakil and Masood never had any authentic information..
@nilo723 your problem is that your propaganda is based on personalities which are either disowned or their personal thoughts have no influence over taliban. mullah omar is follower of deoband and he is very much influenced by scholars of deoband thought. But those authentic scholars of deoband who know about osama's involvement in 9/11 had already praised him for his actions. I don't think u could convince anyone by sticking to any statements of previous members.
@TheAfghanJihad The 3 most authentic scholars whom i respect are Sheikh Imran Hosein, Dr.Zakir Naik and late Israr Ahmad..They all condemned 9/11 and believe it was an inside job..Same thing as Taliban said.
But since the invasion, circumstances have changed..Earlier Bin Laden and Zawahiri did not ever accept their international terrorist mentality, but now they do..This video is to show that Taliban are not global terrorists like Al-Qaeda, and are only quiet because they are in a State of war.
Your point of arguing is that 9/11attack was not correct decision and osama lied to his ameer. Osama lied or not - in the middle of the war it can't be proved. Even if he lied then Mullah Omar will consult the scholars for ultimate decision. Regarding 9/11 decision scholars had already approved it with complete explanation. That is why osama is still carrying out attacks in west.
&That is why taliban adopted the style of suicide attacks from alqaeda (which was previously forbidden by scholars).
@TheAfghanJihad Mullah Omar's stance was clear - give us proofs and we will hand over Osama..Taliban officially condemned 9/11 and killing of civilians..
Which authentic scholar has ever justified 9/11? You won't find any Afghan scholar that approved those attacks..
Bin Laden & Zawahiri are rats who are seriously infected by Khawarij mentality..Just like the Khawarij believed in killing innocent people in the name of Islam..Al-Qaeda kills Muslims and non-Muslims alike..
@nilo723 Those prominent deobandi scholars which praised the 9/11 attacks are Molana Asim Umar, molana mufti abu lubaba, molana abdul rasheed ghazi, molana abdul aziz, etc. Some These scholars also met with Mullah Omar before invasion.
@TheAfghanJihad These names are not at all prominent, and they are not Afghans either..When i searched on google i found out that they support jihad against America and condemned Pakistani military operations, but they did not support 9/11..Today we all support Afghan resistance against the invading forces but this does not make us Al-Qaeda supporters.
The 3 prominent scholars i gave you names of are well-known for their deep knowledge and all of them condemned 9/11..Even Taliban condemned 9/11
@TheAfghanJihad Well since OBL was quite fond of giving terroristic interviews and acting in videos, i thought his 4 sympathizers would also be available..Since their names are not well-known..
The last thing i will say is that ALLAH(swt) would raise up under the flags of those leaders we supported..
Al-Qaeda and their sympathizers would be raised up under Khawarij flag Inshallah, and Taliban and their supporters will be raised up under the leadership of Mahdi Inshallah..
@nilo723 Khomeni,Iran, Ahmadinejad and their sympathizers would be raised up under Khawarij flag Inshallah, and Taliban and their supporters(Al qaeda) will be raised up under the leadership of Mahdi Inshallah..
@nilo723 Mullah omar or taliban are very strict in their principles and if anyone goes against them, then such person is quickly disowned from their movement no matter how much loss occurs to them.
@TheAfghanJihad Not at all..Mullah Omar is not a fool like Bin Laden to bring more war on Muslims..
His main focus is to defeat the forces of Taghoot who want to defeat the Islamic Emirate, even if it means taking help from Khawarij like even Hazrat Ali(ra) did for some time..But just like Hazrat Ali(ra), once this war is over Mullah Omar would slit Bin Laden's throat with his own hands for lying to him and later boasting about 9/11..
@nilo723 u r calling osama an idiot and ahmedinijad as hero. Same ahmedinijad who supported mehdi army in iran to kill thousands of innocent sunni civilians. And it is the same language used by ahmedinijad nowadays praising taliban and demonizing alqaeda to create differences between them. But same iranian govt supported shias in mazar sharif killing many innocent talibans. So i could see clearly that your agenda is to create differences between mujahideen, the same agenda followed by iran.
@TheAfghanJihad When you couldn't defend your Rabbi Osama Bin Laden, you jumped to Ahmadinejad! haha!
I know there are differences between Taliban and Iran and there will always be..We will not follow Iran's Shia version, and they will not follow our Sunni version..But what we see today is that Iran is supporting the Afghan mujahideen, and Mullah Omar condemns Pakistani govt in his letters but does not mention Iran..
But i know Khawarij will not like this, as they only like to shed blood!
@nilo723 U r using the strategy that shias used against Hazrat Ali R.A. first shias sided with him and later on killed him. And now u r trying to paint your self as Mullah Omar side to kill him later easily.
@TheAfghanJihad Where did i say this war is about Osama? America is in Afghanistan to crush an authentic Islamic movement of Taliban and lay down their oil pipelines..
And Shias did not kill Hazrat Ali(ra), Khawarij did..They are the ones responsible for murder of Usman(ra) and Ali(ra)..And a Persian killed Umar(ra)..And Ibn Ziyad killed Hussain(ra)..Anything else? Any more topics you want to talk about rather than defending your Rabbi Osama Bin Laden and Rabbi Zawahiri??
@TheAfghanJihad Because of the oath of allegiance and Pashtun code of 'nanawati'..He could not surrender Osama as he was claiming innocence and there was no proof against him..
Why don't you ask yourself the question that how come Bin Laden denied being involved in 9/11 and then later on started boasting about it..And if Omar was supporting this global terrorism, then how come 'Ameer-ul-Momineen' lied about it all this while? Either one of them is a liar, and i say it is that idiot Bin Laden.
@nilo723 Your arguments are your own foolish thoughts and does not carry any weight. Mullah omar protected osama before the 9/11 and he is still united with him. And Mullah omar or taliban are very strict in their principles and if anyone goes against them, then he is quickly disowned from their movement no matter how much loss occurs to them. Then how u expect that mullah omar will not punish osama for fear of infighting or any other reason.
@TheAfghanJihad Mullah Omar knows very well now that Al-Qaeda is of khawarij mentality if he disowned them in a state of war, they would declare takfir on Taliban too and start killing innocent people in Afghanistan like they are doing in Pakistan..
Right now Omar needs any support he can get to fight against the greater enemy ie.NATO..This is proved by statements of Taliban members that they do not believe in terrorism and Mullah Omar's stance after 1998..They condemned Kenya bombings and 9/11
@nilo723 See here u start falling like "Right now Omar needs any support he can get to fight against the greater enemy "
Go see interview of current Commander of Taliban Mullah Mansur Dadullah on aljazeerah (on death of his brother Mullah Dadullah). Look how much respect he gives to Osama bin laden. They are surely not like betraying shias.
@TheAfghanJihad Most Afghans still believe that Bin Laden is innocent of 9/11..Most of the Muslim world and scholars too..Even prominent ones like Dr.Zakir Naik have refused to accept Bin Laden tapes as genuine and believe 9/11 was an inside job..
All because Rabbi Bin Laden was to scared to take responsibility for 9/11 initially but later when he reached his rat hole only then he started to boast about it..Whereas Mullah Omar is in Afghanistan doing jihad in the battle-field, not making videos
Lets not forget uncle Same created both! if there is anyone to be judged here we need to try to see the big picture with the real story behind it and how American people got played just for the interest of a few people that are benefiting from this and how they are presenting this story to the world, makes me sick..., sad for the Afghan people as no one deserves such treatment under pretty names like freedom and democracy that no one is getting a piece of but a few twisted evil men
califranky 2 months ago
@califranky America had a hand in creating Al-Qaeda, but not Taliban..
Al-Qaeda was smuggled into Afghanistan through Pakistan in the 80's with fighters from all over the Arab world..Whereas Taliban is an indigenous movement which was started in 94 by a man called Mullah Omar, long after America had left the region on its own..
nilo723 2 months ago
@nilo723 Please correct me if I´m wrong, after Commander Masoud´s murder, that was also another work of the CIA the Taliban was given power as it was the only organized movement at the time in Afghanistan after A lQaeda, maybe i got it wrong but my source is from US military intel
califranky 2 months ago
@califranky You are completely wrong..Coz Massood died only few days before 9/11..And indeed it was the work of CIA or Al-Ciada..
Whereas Taliban had established its govt in Kabul long before that..And they had infact refused the oil pipeline deal of UNOCAL that America wanted them to sign..
nilo723 2 months ago
@nilo723 Oh okay, a little date error than, my bad, everyone knows whose company owns that pipeline, Cheney and his name Dick fits him real nice
califranky 2 months ago
As Muslims,why do we support the killing of innocent Muslims and non-Muslims when our own Quran tells us that we can't even harm animals/plants during war?Why do we support people such as the Taliban who think it's okay to mistreat women we we feel like it?Why do we not tolerate other religions and ideas when the Umayyood and Abbassid Caliphates thrived because of toleration?I know that Western media can exaggerate but still, we have brothers and sisters who are moving away from the real message
morerad123 2 months ago
where did the shaikh say the Taliban don't support Al Qa'idah??? subhanallah. All the shaikh said was, Taliban and Al Qa'idah r seperate movements but he never said they hav different goals. They hav the same goal, to expel the crusaders, and re-establish the Khilafah. Just as Al Shabab hav a goal for Somalia, same way, the Taliban hav a goal for Afghanistan. But Al Shabab and Taliban r both in favour of Al Qa'idah. Al Qa'idah r an international Jihadi movement backin the Taliban and Al Shabab
MABaig1989 2 months ago
@MABaig1989 MashaAllaah brother
SubhanAllaah, mushrikin haven't even understood we are Only One United Ummah, wa Jazakom Allaahu khair ya akhi
Takbiir100 2 months ago
Most American think Muslims are just dumb idiots who know nothing but to kill. Muslims actually have a very rich history and were at the forefront of education and science. Afghanistan has had a bad run of invasions, civil war, and now another war with America. Afghanistan will one day be free and run their own country free from outside interference
MrMets80 2 months ago
Hey Guys,
If any of you people think that the U.S. was attacked by a group of people who live in caves and learned how to fly single prop planes and then successfully hi-jack not one or two but four jumbo jet airliners that have two huge 8 foot diameter jet engines on their wings. Then crashed them into targeted buildings with immaculate precision. Hitting 3 out of the 4 targets. Oh, and let's not forget that WTC7 building came down at free fall speed like a building being demolished. How?
LanesLab 2 months ago
My heart is with the people in Afghanistan.
The fascist US military empire is like a cancer to this world.
They massacre the poor and helpless and occupy their land, install their military bases and oppress them.
The Chinese tried to take Afghanistan, the Soviets tried to take Afghanistan, and now the US will have the same fate! These men and women are brave people and will NEVER GIVE UP!
Peace to all the people of Afghanistan!
megatroll 4 months ago
I am an American and I believed the Taliban were not an external threat to the United States. I believe the Taliban were just concerned with their own country. I understand that the way the Taliban were running their government is certainly not an ideal standard for Americans, but it is none of our buisiness to impose our will on others. Northerners couldn't even impose their will on Southerners after the Civil War in our country, how can we do it in Afghanistan? Seriously...
Ryanyarb24 6 months ago 12
@Ryanyarb24 Most Americans do not think like that, maybe due to the constant media brainwashing..
nilo723 6 months ago 4
@nilo723 I want to tell you, it took OVER 100 years for Northern Americans to bring the Southern United States into the rest of the U.S. Our leaders after 9/11 were so stupid, they didn't even read OUR own history. When the Northern Americans tried their "nation building" on the Southerners, you know what happened? The Southerners formed the KKK a radical Christian, racist group who killed any Northerner who tried to impose their will on them. They called these Northerners "carpet-baggers".
Ryanyarb24 6 months ago
@nilo723 The Reconstruction Period after the U.S. Civil War was basically an insurgency that waged for over 100 years. There is NO way the U.S. is going to impose their will on Afghanistan or Iraq in 5 years if they couldn't do it in their own country in less than 100 years! I am not condoning any religious extremist, but George W. Bush was a war-mongerer idiot, moron who didn't know what the hell he was doing.
Ryanyarb24 6 months ago
@Ryanyarb24 Very true they were not a threat but Al Qaeda was. I just wished the Taliban would have handed Bin Laden over and dismantled that organization when we worned them, then we would not be over there. But unfortunately they did not want to betray Al Qaeda, so we invaded and occupied. I wonder if they regret not dismantling Al Qaeda and wonder if it was worth because they would still be in power and all this bloodshed would have been avoided.
yoyo2ma 6 months ago
@yoyo2ma Hand Osama over they would NEVER , and most of them probably dont even know him but stll they wont hand Osama , why would they ? Rememeber , a enemies enemy is a friend.
If Afghans came to U.S asking for Bush or Obama , would they give him ? NO it would be a world war lol .
U.S is allowed to have as many nukes , kill anyone , go in their country with 200000 people with miltary but nobody else is allowed to do it,
EVILAKUMA 6 months ago
@yoyo2ma al mullah Omar asked the U.S to give him evidences of the involvement of Osama bin laden in the 9/11 attacks,but they didn't so it was normal that he would refuse to hand him over because it's unfair.if Osama bin laden was innocent and they handed him to the U.S what were they going to tell Allah on the day of judgement??this might not be a big deal for Americans but for us Muslims injustice is a big sin.plus we all know 9/11 was an inside job.c'mon.
imoslimah 4 months ago
@imoslimah , the taliban said , give us evidence that osama did it and we will judge him by shariah law,, which he will get death penalty for murdering a mass of people... but bush and other culprits didn't have any evidence and rushed into a war before the american people or any sane person could object to a war and reason ... the truth is 9/11 was done by the same people that pushed for wars .. they are the real terrorist,, (financial terrorists)..
UNJUSTIFICATION1 2 months ago
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@yoyo2ma al mullah Omar asked the U.S to give him evidences of the involvement of Osama bin laden in the 9/11 attacks,but they didn't so it was normal that he would refuse to hand him over because it's unfair.if Osama bin laden was innocent and they handed him to the U.S what were they going to tell Allah on the day of judgement??this might not be a big deal for Americans but for us Muslims injustice is a big sin.plus we all know 9/11 was an inside job.c'mon.
imoslimah 4 months ago
@Ryanyarb24 Taliban are like ants , fighter ants they have balls, they are true soldiers.
U.S soldiers ( a.k.a terrorrists ) ( im in your house , whose the terrorrist ? )
U.S soldiers are = Snakes. filled with poison and are evil .
EVILAKUMA 6 months ago 9
@EVILAKUMA
Yes, yes, the evil west, yet you live here instead of with your muslim brothers. WHY? PLEASE GET THE FUCK OUT ASSHOLE!
GoodieMike 2 months ago
@GoodieMike He is only criticizing US foreign policy you moron!
nilo723 2 months ago
@GoodieMike God made this earth for all , we all live under the same sky , nobody has the right to go into anyones Country and kill innocent people , that goes for Muslims , Hindus , Christians , anyone. Nobody has the right to kill nobody unless you and your townsman are being attacked and killled and you are fighting to defend and push them out. No woman , baby , old men should be killed , no children either.
EVILAKUMA 2 months ago
@GoodieMike If 10 random Jamaicans came into my house today and robbed and killed my family you think that gives me the right to buy a plane ticket to Jamaica and kill thousands and thousands of Jamaicans for 10 years in total ? they will ofcourse fight back and kill me because I am in their land killing them for no fuking reason due to some random black dudes who nobody even fukin knows.
EVILAKUMA 2 months ago
they are both the same.
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
@TheAfghanJihad Yes, Al-Qaeda supporters like yourself do think so..
But the fact remains that Mullah Muhammad Omar is not a khawarij like Bin Laden who believes in killing innocent people..Omar had asked for proofs against Bin Laden to put him on trial as that liar had lied to Mullah Omar about his terrorist aims..Then later when the invasion started he started to boast about 9/11..
Taliban are not global jihadis..No Afghan gets involved in Al-Qaeda's international terrorism missions..
nilo723 1 year ago
@nilo723 Thanks for your online khawarij takfeer (that shows your level of thinking). But the fact remains that Mullah Omar is totally against disunion of mujahideen and any person who tries to do so is disassociated from talibans e.g: mutawakil. Those Mujahideen who attacked WTC were trained in kandahar-home city of Mullah Omar. Even osama was known to visit the mujahideen daily. Mutawakil tried to inform fbi, mullah omar disowned him from himself.
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
Mullah Omar has nothing to do with Al-Qaeda's global terrorism..He was ready to hand over Bin Laden if provided proofs..He demanded proofs in the first place because Bin Laden initially had denied his involvement in terrorism and claimed that America was trying to frame him.
This invasion was not about Al-Qaeda, it was about other demands which Mullah Omar had refused flatly like disbanding Sharia Law
Don't really know about Mutawakil, but Zabihullah Mujahid says the same.
watch?v=8x0sJXc3DhA
nilo723 1 year ago
@nilo723 If already mutawakil knows about the WTC attack before then how come mullah omar is not informed about it when he is living in the same city of Kandahar where mujahideen were staying?
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
@TheAfghanJihad Mutawakil was disowned by Taliban because he switched sides after the invasion..
The fact remains that Taliban did offer to hand over Bin Laden if given proofs, since he had denied involvement in 9/11, which created all the conspiracy theories..The rat should have claimed responsibility at first and then we would have known that Mullah Omar supported his terrorist aims..He only proclaimed his terrorist mind-set once he reached his rat-hole in Pakistan..
nilo723 1 year ago
@nilo723 Mutawakil know about the 9/11 before the attacks and he transfered knowlegde about it to fbi. so he was disowned by Mullah omar.
Osama and mujahideen those who did this attack were staying in home city of mullah omar - kandahar.
How Mullah Omar could not know about mujahideen training in his own city for attack on U.S. and still mutawakil knows all about them?
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
Mutawakil did not know about 9/11..He only received information that Al-Qaeda was planning something big, just as Ahmad Shah Masood knew something was going to happen..But it was just considered a rumor..If FBI knew about those planes being hijacked, then surely it would have never happened..
Mullah Omar stated many times that he is fed up of Bin Laden's sermons to the media and he placed a restriction on him about local traveling and talking to media much before 9/11..
nilo723 1 year ago
@nilo723 So you mean that mullah omar never tried to know more about that "big planning" of their guests before the attacks? and mutawakil never informed his ameer about that "big planning" ?
why mullah omar never investigated about osama by himself after attacks on nairobi embassy & U.S. Cole? why mullah omar allowed osama to train thousands of Muslim youth in Afghanistan?
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
@TheAfghanJihad Because training people is not a bad thing at all, and OBL had a lot of positive contributions to his credit until 1998..Everyone respected him in Afghanistan..
Mullah Omar did place restrictions on him after 1998, and was demanding proofs if he was involved in terrorism..Since Bin Laden was only a financier and ideologue, America could not find proofs against him or maybe purposely withheld them..
As i said, Mutawakil and Masood never had any authentic information..
nilo723 1 year ago
@nilo723 your problem is that your propaganda is based on personalities which are either disowned or their personal thoughts have no influence over taliban. mullah omar is follower of deoband and he is very much influenced by scholars of deoband thought. But those authentic scholars of deoband who know about osama's involvement in 9/11 had already praised him for his actions. I don't think u could convince anyone by sticking to any statements of previous members.
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
@TheAfghanJihad The 3 most authentic scholars whom i respect are Sheikh Imran Hosein, Dr.Zakir Naik and late Israr Ahmad..They all condemned 9/11 and believe it was an inside job..Same thing as Taliban said.
But since the invasion, circumstances have changed..Earlier Bin Laden and Zawahiri did not ever accept their international terrorist mentality, but now they do..This video is to show that Taliban are not global terrorists like Al-Qaeda, and are only quiet because they are in a State of war.
nilo723 1 year ago
Your point of arguing is that 9/11attack was not correct decision and osama lied to his ameer. Osama lied or not - in the middle of the war it can't be proved. Even if he lied then Mullah Omar will consult the scholars for ultimate decision. Regarding 9/11 decision scholars had already approved it with complete explanation. That is why osama is still carrying out attacks in west.
&That is why taliban adopted the style of suicide attacks from alqaeda (which was previously forbidden by scholars).
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
@TheAfghanJihad Mullah Omar's stance was clear - give us proofs and we will hand over Osama..Taliban officially condemned 9/11 and killing of civilians..
Which authentic scholar has ever justified 9/11? You won't find any Afghan scholar that approved those attacks..
Bin Laden & Zawahiri are rats who are seriously infected by Khawarij mentality..Just like the Khawarij believed in killing innocent people in the name of Islam..Al-Qaeda kills Muslims and non-Muslims alike..
nilo723 1 year ago
@nilo723 Those prominent deobandi scholars which praised the 9/11 attacks are Molana Asim Umar, molana mufti abu lubaba, molana abdul rasheed ghazi, molana abdul aziz, etc. Some These scholars also met with Mullah Omar before invasion.
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
@TheAfghanJihad These names are not at all prominent, and they are not Afghans either..When i searched on google i found out that they support jihad against America and condemned Pakistani military operations, but they did not support 9/11..Today we all support Afghan resistance against the invading forces but this does not make us Al-Qaeda supporters.
The 3 prominent scholars i gave you names of are well-known for their deep knowledge and all of them condemned 9/11..Even Taliban condemned 9/11
nilo723 1 year ago
@TheAfghanJihad Hahaha .....Searching for deoband scholars on google.......Nice joke.
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
@TheAfghanJihad Well since OBL was quite fond of giving terroristic interviews and acting in videos, i thought his 4 sympathizers would also be available..Since their names are not well-known..
The last thing i will say is that ALLAH(swt) would raise up under the flags of those leaders we supported..
Al-Qaeda and their sympathizers would be raised up under Khawarij flag Inshallah, and Taliban and their supporters will be raised up under the leadership of Mahdi Inshallah..
nilo723 1 year ago
@nilo723 Khomeni,Iran, Ahmadinejad and their sympathizers would be raised up under Khawarij flag Inshallah, and Taliban and their supporters(Al qaeda) will be raised up under the leadership of Mahdi Inshallah..
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
@TheAfghanJihad Taliban will slit the throats of Al-Qaeda with their own hands Inshallah..They are the Army of Khorasan, not some sneaky terrorists!
nilo723 1 year ago
@nilo723
they are under the same leader..
alnarweeg92 6 months ago
@nilo723 Mullah omar or taliban are very strict in their principles and if anyone goes against them, then such person is quickly disowned from their movement no matter how much loss occurs to them.
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
@TheAfghanJihad Not at all..Mullah Omar is not a fool like Bin Laden to bring more war on Muslims..
His main focus is to defeat the forces of Taghoot who want to defeat the Islamic Emirate, even if it means taking help from Khawarij like even Hazrat Ali(ra) did for some time..But just like Hazrat Ali(ra), once this war is over Mullah Omar would slit Bin Laden's throat with his own hands for lying to him and later boasting about 9/11..
nilo723 1 year ago
@nilo723 u r calling osama an idiot and ahmedinijad as hero. Same ahmedinijad who supported mehdi army in iran to kill thousands of innocent sunni civilians. And it is the same language used by ahmedinijad nowadays praising taliban and demonizing alqaeda to create differences between them. But same iranian govt supported shias in mazar sharif killing many innocent talibans. So i could see clearly that your agenda is to create differences between mujahideen, the same agenda followed by iran.
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
@TheAfghanJihad When you couldn't defend your Rabbi Osama Bin Laden, you jumped to Ahmadinejad! haha!
I know there are differences between Taliban and Iran and there will always be..We will not follow Iran's Shia version, and they will not follow our Sunni version..But what we see today is that Iran is supporting the Afghan mujahideen, and Mullah Omar condemns Pakistani govt in his letters but does not mention Iran..
But i know Khawarij will not like this, as they only like to shed blood!
nilo723 1 year ago
@nilo723 U r using the strategy that shias used against Hazrat Ali R.A. first shias sided with him and later on killed him. And now u r trying to paint your self as Mullah Omar side to kill him later easily.
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
@nilo723 u said that "this is about disbanding sharia law"
and now u said that "this war is due to osama"............lol ....u r a true liar.
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
@TheAfghanJihad Where did i say this war is about Osama? America is in Afghanistan to crush an authentic Islamic movement of Taliban and lay down their oil pipelines..
And Shias did not kill Hazrat Ali(ra), Khawarij did..They are the ones responsible for murder of Usman(ra) and Ali(ra)..And a Persian killed Umar(ra)..And Ibn Ziyad killed Hussain(ra)..Anything else? Any more topics you want to talk about rather than defending your Rabbi Osama Bin Laden and Rabbi Zawahiri??
nilo723 1 year ago
@nilo723 "Mullah Omar was fed up of Osama" - What a joke!
If Mullah Omar was fed up of Osama then he simply disowns him and exile him from afghanistan.
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
@TheAfghanJihad Because of the oath of allegiance and Pashtun code of 'nanawati'..He could not surrender Osama as he was claiming innocence and there was no proof against him..
Why don't you ask yourself the question that how come Bin Laden denied being involved in 9/11 and then later on started boasting about it..And if Omar was supporting this global terrorism, then how come 'Ameer-ul-Momineen' lied about it all this while? Either one of them is a liar, and i say it is that idiot Bin Laden.
nilo723 1 year ago
@nilo723 Your arguments are your own foolish thoughts and does not carry any weight. Mullah omar protected osama before the 9/11 and he is still united with him. And Mullah omar or taliban are very strict in their principles and if anyone goes against them, then he is quickly disowned from their movement no matter how much loss occurs to them. Then how u expect that mullah omar will not punish osama for fear of infighting or any other reason.
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
@TheAfghanJihad Mullah Omar knows very well now that Al-Qaeda is of khawarij mentality if he disowned them in a state of war, they would declare takfir on Taliban too and start killing innocent people in Afghanistan like they are doing in Pakistan..
Right now Omar needs any support he can get to fight against the greater enemy ie.NATO..This is proved by statements of Taliban members that they do not believe in terrorism and Mullah Omar's stance after 1998..They condemned Kenya bombings and 9/11
nilo723 1 year ago
@nilo723 See here u start falling like "Right now Omar needs any support he can get to fight against the greater enemy "
Go see interview of current Commander of Taliban Mullah Mansur Dadullah on aljazeerah (on death of his brother Mullah Dadullah). Look how much respect he gives to Osama bin laden. They are surely not like betraying shias.
watch?v=9d7-e4PvF9A&feature=fvw
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
@TheAfghanJihad Most Afghans still believe that Bin Laden is innocent of 9/11..Most of the Muslim world and scholars too..Even prominent ones like Dr.Zakir Naik have refused to accept Bin Laden tapes as genuine and believe 9/11 was an inside job..
All because Rabbi Bin Laden was to scared to take responsibility for 9/11 initially but later when he reached his rat hole only then he started to boast about it..Whereas Mullah Omar is in Afghanistan doing jihad in the battle-field, not making videos
nilo723 1 year ago
i don't feel any difference between taliban and alqaeda.
TheAfghanJihad 1 year ago
May ALLAH(swt) bless abdus salam Zaef ( its not zaeed )
mycutelittlepandas 1 year ago
@mycutelittlepandas Thanks, careless mistake!
Its actually Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef..
nilo723 1 year ago