I was very tempted to flag this as inappropriate for misleading text (full film?) I'll let this one slide as we're on the same page as regards to the nonsense of religion but take this as a warning, noone likes having their time wasted
Most of the mythological figures that are mentioned here have very little similarities. Mithras was said to be born out of a rock and slaughtered a bull, Dionysus was just one god among many with no historical evidence to support, Horus was not born of a virgin, but of Isis and Osiris, and crucifixion was not practiced in ancient Egypt invented in 600 AD, Krishna was born of the woman Devaki and died by bleeding to death from an arrow wound in the heel, Osirus was dismembered, etc.
@StAugustine79 The birth of Mithra (Mithras and Mitra) did involve a virgin birth in the second century before the common era. A temple inscription has him born from Anahita, the virginal mother of the sea (like Mary). Even the egg/rock motif is found in Christianity, with Jesus being the second Adam and Adam being formed from the Earth (see Josephus and Gospel of Philip.) The birth of Horus was virginal; Isis conceived Horus via her Ba aborbing the Ka of Osiris. Learn what is being said.
@StAugustine79 And if you want to talk about the crucifixion motif all you have to do is look at the Djed. Crucifixion is only used as a general term to describe what is being said here. The Djed would be raised at Abydos (signifying the burial place for Osiris' head) which would act as a bridge for the god to raise from the underworld. It was also common to place gods on poles and trees to celebrate them. (Like Dionysus and Attis). It's easy to see how this was morphed into the crucified god.
@danieljliversLXXXIX The crucified motif emerged directly from the Old Testament particularly in Psalm 22, Zechariah 12:10, Isaiah 53:12. We know that the Jewish Canon predated the Gospels centuries before from the Dead Sea Scrolls. If you want to claim that the Jews borrowed from pagan traditions, you would have to provide historical evidence for that as well. Christology did not emerge apart from the Jewish tradition, as if plagiarized somehow. There is NO evidence for that claim.
@StAugustine79 Mere typography and nothing more. It's not even prophetical. The Dead Sea scrolls are only dated to around the second century BCE, and the worshiping of Gods on cross-like fetishes goes far back prior to that, especially in Egypt. As far as Jews borrowing from Pagans goes, just look in the OT and the Jews worshiping other gods. Hell look up Plutarch and Diodorus and what they mention about Jews worshiping Dionysus.
@danieljliversLXXXIX That is true, but the context under which Jews worshipped other gods was when they deviated from their own established faith such as during the Babylonian Captivity period. The messianic prophecies, if borrowed from pagan traditions, would have been rejected by later Jewish rabbis. Although the Dead Sea Scrolls were from 200 BCE, the actual Tanakh was compiled in 450 BCE and written over the course of around 500 yrs. Crucifixion was not invented until 600 BCE.
@StAugustine79 Even when Jews were oppressed and forced to worship other gods, once they were liberated, some wouldn't stop. (See third Maccabes and Diodorus). The centuries where OT books were canonized was also a period of heavey Hellenization and Alexandria (were the Septuagint was compiled) was a favourite place for Hellenized Jews. What's being said isn't a literal crucifixion but on that took place through effigies of gods being placed on poles and trees.
on-biblical, extra-biblical, secular historians who affirmed the existence of Jesus of Nazareth: Mara bar Serapion, Lucian, Celsus, Flavius Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Suetonius, Thallus, Phlegon, Papias, Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr.
The Hebrew concept of the suffering servant came from their understanding of Messiah (annointed one) derived from passages such as Isaiah 53, 5:9, Zephaniah 3:9; bringing God universally to all the nations through atonement. Jesus was not a God/human hybrid as in the pagan religions, but God incarnated - that is pre-existing and taking on a human nature. The Eucharist or Holy Communion developed from the Old Covenant practice of the Passover Feast and the Todah offering of bread of wine
If you want to draw a timeline of Avatars coming to Earth, you gotta draw a pyramid, because each new Avatar is closer to the Source than the previous one.
That is your only folly, dear makers of this movie. But it is so profound.
oh my.....live your life how u want to and stop tellin me these facts how hes not real and take your stuck up know it all life and do something else.. but without jesus u would have no purpose in life cuz u would have nothing to argue against
what you don t understand is the power of the devil and demons, a dimension a powers far beyond your intellect my friend,and guys, they don t live in time either.
nothing you d understand, believe me....but toy with your cute little theories trying to knock other theories...they all love it... i ve studied theology and paegen religions for yours and also the occult,for 30 years, you have no idea of what you are dealing with.[its a cute little rebutal though,satan thinks so also
@summerstone7 I already had a christian guy praying for me, with no effect, why don't you send some of those demons on me and I'll tell you if something interesting happens...
@summerstone7 I know a bit. but I can honestly say that all I understand about religion and theology is that humanity has invented a great many ways to deal with it's own lack of knowledge of physical and psychological events. The greatest danger they pose is that now that we begin to understand these things they oppose REAL enlightenment: KNOWLEDGE. And while doing so, people die from lack of access to these advancements or stone age tribal wars on a global scale.
@richsuga What do you mean a "cheap shot"? They only illustrate excuses people in the know give in the first part of the video. The latter part illustrates your point: that not many people know or can be bothered to know about these other proto-Jesus figures. The reason religious skeptics look more intelligent that your average Joe (theist or otherwise) is because they do their research.
The God Who Wasn't There <------------- thats a joke over a joke its a shame you people dont get jesus message its 2011 and now you all are scared of 2012 LOL
@MissCedarbridge1 Don't think I follow what you were trying to say here...? You seem pretty aggressive about the point you're trying to make though lol, whatever it is.
@MissCedarbridge1 ... lol? What kind of remark was that? I don't think you even understand what you're trying to say, but anyway. I was referring to what you said as being vague, and the response you gave to someone who replied to your comment *was* aggressive, so calm down. But whatever, you'll probably reply with something similarly obscure and defensive. c:
@Michimera all Im saying is that being aggressive is apart of life so learn to live with it and understand that person who is showing the aggression then you can handle alot of hard times in your life thats all I was trying to say to you I am a strong woman not or never would let some one aggressive get me down or upset
@MissCedarbridge1 Christ, you don't get it, do you?! XD There's no need to be aggressive to people you don't know without a decent cause, I was saying. There's no need to get wound up about it what I said. You're trying to make this personal and I really don't understand why... I was talking about your comment, because I didn't understand it. If you're that sensitive that you need to take such things so personally that's a shame. I'm neither 'down' or 'upset'. Just calm and talk about the video!
@MissCedarbridge1 I never initially implied that you were. Anyway, the point was what you were trying to say. There was no need to get defensive about it.
@MissCedarbridge1 ... Dude. You didn't hurt me, you didn't offend me. All I wanted to know was what you meant by your comment about Jesus and 2012. I'm sorry this has been difficult for you.
hmmmmm Sounds like a few scholars are picking on the sheep? The demi gods mentioned and the resurrection in no way are even on the same page as Jesus? a better question would be did these other demi gods( false gods) have their resurrection predicted as Jesus did? Is their an entire compilation of writings based on thier birth,life and death? I think their 4getting 2 mention the writings of Isaiah purposefully!! as so to be able to put Jesus in the little box their creating...seek n u shall find
hmmmmm Sounds like a few scholars are picking on the sheep? The demi gods mentioned and the resurrection in no way are even on the same page as Jesus? a better question would be did these other demi gods( false gods) have their resurrection predicted as Jesus did? Is their an entire compilation of writings based on thier birth,life and death? I think their 4getting 2 mention the writings of Isaiah purposefully!! as so to be able to put Jesus in the little box their creating...
Okay, I don't really think this is fair. There are A LOT of people out there--regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof--who don't know much if anything about Mithra, Dionysis, et cetera.
I think that was a cheap shot for dramatic effect--an effort to make these people look ignorant vis-a-vis religious skeptics.
stop throwing bullsh!ts all over the place, the mythology say that dionisus didnt died at all, hercules didnt died on cross or tree, perseus didnt died that way either and many more didnt died that way or performed miracles or called alpha and omega as the """""""""""""""""""""documentary""""""""""""""""" says, search search search you damn morons.
@DominantDin no, and neither is that : Γελά ο Μωρός Καν Τι Μη Γελοίον Ει. Try learning some Greek first and then you can talk about your weak language
Hahaaa! Those early christtards were morons! "Yeah, see.."Satan" went back in time and changed the evidence just to mess with our religion! Too bad they didn't have psychiatrists and mental hospitals back then..because that would have meant the end of christianity right there in the start of it..: )
As an athiest, I think these kinds of movies are pointless. What a shameful world we live in where everyone has to try and prove everyone else wrong. I'll admit that modern religion serves a purpose in today's world and that my views on the matter aren't something everyone wants to hear. I accept that and I keep my views to myself. So should the rest of you. Remember the old saying, "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those that do not, none will suffice."
@mcollins7482; You are desperately wrong to lament efforts of reasonable people to purge our world of the scourge ignorance and intolerance that is religion. It is critically important for atheists to encourage free thought and not simply curl up and watch the destructive forces of "faith" and "belief" in the irrational to continue to harm our societies. Teaching people to become rational thinkers is an incredibly important and productive goal, and you should be ashamed of your apathy.
@epigenomical Destructive forces of faith and belief? Little harsh ha? Let me ask you something my friend if you were on a football team, your team was down 3 scores in the 4th quarter, would you simply give in, or would you have faith and belief in your teammates, that your team could rally back and win? See, I too am not religious, but certainly do not look down on Christians because of there faith. I am also open to the fact that I am wrong and they are right, that does not make me a coward
@epigenomical Here here! I'm also tired of people, including friends and family, saying things like "I don't really believe in god either, why do you make such a big deal out of it?" Next time I will quote your comment word for word
@mcollins7482 Thats all well and good, until it hits home for you. Religion is causing harm as we speak, and in the united states, tax free at that. You must also remember that such institutions, with good normal but Ignorant people, provide a safe haven for lunacy and fundamentalists.
@mcollins7482 You're lying to yourself if you're just religious out of fear, and if god does exist he would see straight through that because he would know what you're thinking.
And you, Sir, are a bounder and a cad as well as a fool. How do you know what I believe and what I know. How presumptious you are. Never mind, cos I really dont give 2 hoots what you think or believe, you are nothing, absolutely nothing to me. Get a life and a bit of respect, and read a Bible If you are man enough, or woman enough. Enjoy your unfortunate existence.
The fool has said in his heart there is no God...
This is in the bible somewhere!! Anyway, if Jesus and/or God exist, Christians will find out for sure and will have nothing really to lose if it is a load of bullshit, and of course everything to gain if they are right. BUT if all you atheists and non Christians are wrong, then you will have a "hell" of a lot to lose, namely your soul. If it is bullshit, then you will be in the same place as the Christians..oblivion. I no what I'm gamblin on!
@gillettsibert1 (Matthew 5:22) - "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." Burn in hell. Pacal's wager is a known by theologians to be false and stupid. I am an atheist, and you sir, know nothing about what you believe.
@gillettsibert1 That type of argument isn't going to phase an atheist. They don't believe in hell, so they aren't afraid of it. This is sometimes difficult for a believer to accept. You're not going to use scare tactics on an atheist. Besides, what if you're wrong and the Muslims are right? Will you go to their hell? What about the Hindus? The Jews?
@dillinger9999 hell doesn't scare you, eh? go get refreshed to Lybia or Palestine, or work at a homeless childcare center, help someone who IS scared of hell, you brave little worm.
@ColBassonic I can see you think i have no morals, I with a group of Atheist help the homeless every month, & we do so with out making people pray first for damn meal. how can something that doesn't exist scare me? lol people like you scare me, you are the ones who will kill, blow up other, molest children, beat woman. Not to mention you go door to door telling people of the word of something that there is no proof it exist. if there was a jesus he is the most immoral god ever. look @ your self
@gillettsibert1 The fool quotes the bible to attempt to prove his case about the god who only exists in the bible. Then he follows with Pascal's Wager, which manages to dismiss every god but the christian god as easily as an atheist dismisses all of them. No offense, but the lack of logic and reason demonstrated by your post only serves to strengthen the atheists' position. For that, I say thank you.
God must remain in the back of people's minds, for the retards (like the ones mention above in the video), whether he is existent or not.
There are sequenced happenings which fit in together perfectly that one finds hardly to be simple coincidences, but one needs to bear in mind that it just me be as well coincidences.
Also, you need to define God first, before claiming of his existence.
I agree, neither it is said in actual Bible that Mary was a virgin, it's a well know translation error, the words "young" and "virgin" were similar to each other in Hebrew, a simple mistake anyone could have made.
Think of all those innocents who've been killed, threw stones at, and been burned in the name of losing their virginity before marriage.
Religion.
Religion must be killed. It must be killed in the same way it killed billions.
If religion conditions you mentally to accept an answer from authority without proper evidence or explanation what happens when you combine that with government?
beside the beauty of jesus and his real teachings, the rest of christianity(churches) is a big pile of crap made by bunch of fagets just for more money and power and control!!!!!!
~Well it is the explanation because it is true... there is a devil and he is the enemy of man.. and he does work through people to create ways to deceive us.. Read the Bible for yourself.
Hahahaha!!! "It's all about jesus man that's all you got to pay attention to ya know" Really? That's it? That's all I need to pay attention to? Wow, I should probably quit college right now! Fuck my text books which contain a plethora of knowledge, I should just read the bible and fear that i'm going to hell everytime I enjoy being a human i.e drinking, smoking, fucking, listening to metal or basically...not being a christian! It's hard to believe christians still exist
@FullMoonMysticism1 As long as there is a dollar to be made by terrorising the credulous and the stupid, Christianity will continue to flourish. It's a religion of masochists and slaves.
@FullMoonMysticism1 you can drink, but not get drunk, smoking will let you in to heaven, but it can give you cancer, more wrinkles, death, sex is good, Jesus said that, you can listen to metal, i do.
all you have to do is genuinely believe in God, and give your life to him.
because seriously, eternity is a lot longer than any lifetime.
"all you have to do is genuinely believe in God, and give your life to him" Oh lovely...all I have to do is give my life to something for which there is no evidence. What about all those other religions that profess the same?
"because seriously, eternity is a lot longer than any lifetime"
Yea...I'd rather spend an eternity in hell then with people like you.
An eternity alive would be....torture...so fuck you and your delusions.
@refuckulate420 oh OK. so when do you count years from, and spend 3 international holidays, and what's it like opposing a third of the world when they're trying to help?
@Shaz1194 Now that's just funny. Hunny, the likelihood of your God, Jesus Christ, being the true God is equally as likely as Allah, Vishnu, and Zeus being the true God. Religion is all one and the same. Just pizza with different toppings.
@InsaneMagnolia935 That statement alone demonstrates your lack of knowledge in the realm of theology and world religions. Christianity is radical in it's Theology in comparison to any other world religion. If all religions are pizza's with different toppings, then that makes Christianity a steak dinner. Don't speak on something you have little or no understanding about. I don't know what your area of expertise is, but I certainly don't stick my nose in it and pretend to be an expert.
I can't believe people are still using this garbage which has been disprove time and time again for as long as these lies have been around. Please folks, don't buy these rediculous statements, do the actual research. Check the sources of the information. More often than not this trash comes from people such as Massey and Achira S who are not accepted Scholars in the academic community.
@tbirdpunk i knew there had to be at least ONE intelligent person here, thanks for speaking out, and anyone who wants to argue with me can go airwolf themselves
there never was any god and all these phoney sons of god are jokes, jesus being the latest one and if you believe he is the only way tlo a non-existent father, you have been smoking waaaaay tooo much pot
Weak, very weak. The Dionysis as a 'Christ' type is an old objection in new Zeitgeist clothes. There is nothing new under the sun. You consider the claims, you make your choice (or no choice) and you will find out soon enough. Life is short.
I don't make it a habit to respond to things like this... but really, people, all I've seen of this documentary... and other documentaries on religion, like Zeitgeist, is that they take Fundamentalism and use it as model for whole religions. Fundamental Christianity =/= True Christianity. Also, I agree that it is improbable that the stories we have in the Bible have not been altered through thousands of years, but that does not remove their capacity to guide and transform people.
Love this movie, just the best. I especially appreciated the end. I always wished I had done that.
I agree that JC is a myth, but I do enjoy entertaining that there is "God" figure that is playing with us. I truely hope he does exist.
Then one day, we can capture the little bitch, -- not kill him -- but imprison him and slow leech his vital life energies away to fuel our largest weapons of war.
Whatever your spiritual beliefs or non-beliefs are, it doesn't matter. The idea that Jesus of Nazareth never existed is not widely supported in academia.
Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, Paperback, Pg. 122
See I'm willing to believe Jesus did exist and was just a man. The only reason I have to back that is just how (overall) radically different his philosophy was from anything else at that time. Other than that most of what's said about him seems to be myth
Well, it's usually subtext. For example Dawkins seeks to prove thus because he is a science teacher (prof actually) and people were trying to make him to teach creationism and ID. Because God doesn't want evolution taught. Same goes for anyone who's in a group that are fighting against a law by arguing god. The gay marriage thing is a good example of this. A lot of people get dragged into god's existence over whether or not that should be legal
@Sydpart2 that is them. Go doesnt want evolution taught? Where did that come from? The staff at Oxford wasnt trying to get Dick to teach creationism, what's his issue. Great biologist! Terrible theologist.
The God doesn't want evolution taught is the excuse used for why people don't want evolution taught. And tho it wasn't Dick directly, there was a push to get creationism/ID taught at Oxford (and many other schools) awhile back. See the logical thing to do when someone tells you God doesn't want x to happen is to try to disprove God's existence. This is really hard to do tho. I wasn't trying to literally say God doesn't want x y or z done, God isn't so he can't. But that's the excuse
jasonaventure STFU, jeez open your eyes you illogical moron. The answer you seek is answered in this clip dip shit, look it up for yourself. Funny how you dumbass christians religious people lead in every statistical category known in terms of immoral things ie slavery, murder, divorce, sexism, hatred, rape, spousal abuse etc etc. The very fact that you all have conversations and hear responses back from an invisible man using your voice is text book schizophrenia. KILL YOURSELF NOW PLEASE
If you take the story of Jesus literally you reduce it to an absurdity. Symbolically it means that every person embodies the spirit of the universe. Fundamentalists insist on a literal interpretation because their motives are political, not spiritual. The idea of ritual sacrifice is a leftover from our barbaric past. I don't begrudge anyone their kooky beliefs as long as they don't use them to justify abusing others, but fundamentalists do just that.
The word is mâshîyach and Strongs # 4899 appears 38 times means Anointed; a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint). LEV 4:3 - Hab 3:13
From the Root mâshach #4886 = to rub with oil. Found in 66 verses.
mâshîyach is where they get the word "Messiah" except in the translation from the Greek means "Anointed One" a belief of Idolatry, that actually takes away from the Father and His Anointed One's throughout History.
who else (real or imagined) had no beginning, no ending, spoke creation into existence, raised men from the dead, walked on water, was born of a virgin,
took all sins of all men on his shoulders, lived a life devoid of all error, descended into hell, overcame hell, overcame death, and
is the incarnation of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent god, whose power is such that by just believing secures life eternal
No that's pretty much every hero of every myth ever written; the Jesus myth is simply the most aggressively promoted. Since your childhood is over, why not wake up and taste reality-- you may find it refreshing.
Yes to all your questions. These stories vary in their details but not in their essentials. The only difference between us is that you have a "favorite' story you wish to promote above all others, while I see the common meaning at the root of them all.
The only thing about Mythras is that no one really knows much about him, other than that he was born from a stone and is often seen killing a bull. Dionysus and Osiris, I can see (and think is might interesting . . . ), but if we're going to make arguments against Christianity (totally fine in my book), let's at least use good evidence.
@Choowbz, interesting stuff you said about Mithras there.
What I'd also heard, from a fairly reliable source, is that Mithras' birthday was 25th December, was celibrated with parties and feasting and gift giving, and the centre of Mithras worship was located on Vatican Hill
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how about everybody shut up! I cant stand all these people giving their interpretations of God and Jesus and blahblahblah. God knew what he/she/it created (HUMANS). God wouldve known that we would confuse and not agree upon his "WORD". So just live your life and act accordingly!
So you believe in some magical, cosmic god who 'poofed' everything into existence? Really?
Ask yourself WHY your all-powerful, all-loving god refuses to heal amputees. If he is powerful enough but won't do it, then he's malevolent. If he's willing but not capable, then he's not all-powerful. If he's neither willing nor capable, then why call him god?
It is high time we stopped believing in evil, nasty, violent, perverted fairy tales, and got on with making a permanent peace. Really.
LMAO I bet u felt good when u typed that but unfortunately you wasted your time because nowhere did I say that I believe in all that....I dont believe in none of that stuff sweetheart
Tell me. What sort of proof do you need? What would you be willing to accept? Because I can give you "proof" and "sources" all day long, but if all you are going to do is quote bible verses back at me then it isn't worth the effort.
slavery no slavery is having no choice. it depends on what religion you speak, Christianity equals a freedom that is beyond an earthly realm. It teaches facts that are inconvient to whores junkies and drunks murderers and rapists/other perverts. non belief gives a freedom to such people to exist and creates more damage to the world even has sympathy for such disgusting examples of life. what is there to gain from denial . nothing. truth is what it is. life is hard. life is
@nuclearpolitics You obvioulsy have no sense of understanding. Or Morals. fight for freedom. do you think your ever going to be truly free. You Damned or not there are only too absolutes. you are here now fight for the good not the selfish ways that feed evil. I balme you and the False so called Christians all all false religions. Islam is a stain upon the middle east and we should have destroyed that insect while we had the chance a millenia ago. but much like vermine they spread quickly
Btw there is no drinkiong allowed in the muslim faith dumb ass do your research. I focused on these fundamentalist False Christians that say they've been born again. They still continue to do their evil deeds but now claim they have a God of mercy to obsolve them everyday without pennence. The pennence is live purely without shame and if called for to fight a die for it. The freedom is knowing you will have eternal peace in death after having gone through the waves of of hellfire in life.
@nuclearpolitics How can one express more hate for the ignorant more so than i have already. Your worthless baseless research to prove foundationless bang started the whole of existance has not one shred of logical data to support it because you havent proof. Your logic is ilogical a mass of nothing cannot spark existance if it h
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clausmarisol 2 weeks ago
I was very tempted to flag this as inappropriate for misleading text (full film?) I'll let this one slide as we're on the same page as regards to the nonsense of religion but take this as a warning, noone likes having their time wasted
maccrimbo 1 month ago
Most of the mythological figures that are mentioned here have very little similarities. Mithras was said to be born out of a rock and slaughtered a bull, Dionysus was just one god among many with no historical evidence to support, Horus was not born of a virgin, but of Isis and Osiris, and crucifixion was not practiced in ancient Egypt invented in 600 AD, Krishna was born of the woman Devaki and died by bleeding to death from an arrow wound in the heel, Osirus was dismembered, etc.
StAugustine79 2 months ago
@StAugustine79 The birth of Mithra (Mithras and Mitra) did involve a virgin birth in the second century before the common era. A temple inscription has him born from Anahita, the virginal mother of the sea (like Mary). Even the egg/rock motif is found in Christianity, with Jesus being the second Adam and Adam being formed from the Earth (see Josephus and Gospel of Philip.) The birth of Horus was virginal; Isis conceived Horus via her Ba aborbing the Ka of Osiris. Learn what is being said.
danieljliversLXXXIX 2 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX Mithras was born from a rock in every account.
StAugustine79 2 months ago
@StAugustine79 Mithras was. Mithra wasn't.
danieljliversLXXXIX 2 months ago
@StAugustine79 And if you want to talk about the crucifixion motif all you have to do is look at the Djed. Crucifixion is only used as a general term to describe what is being said here. The Djed would be raised at Abydos (signifying the burial place for Osiris' head) which would act as a bridge for the god to raise from the underworld. It was also common to place gods on poles and trees to celebrate them. (Like Dionysus and Attis). It's easy to see how this was morphed into the crucified god.
danieljliversLXXXIX 2 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX The crucified motif emerged directly from the Old Testament particularly in Psalm 22, Zechariah 12:10, Isaiah 53:12. We know that the Jewish Canon predated the Gospels centuries before from the Dead Sea Scrolls. If you want to claim that the Jews borrowed from pagan traditions, you would have to provide historical evidence for that as well. Christology did not emerge apart from the Jewish tradition, as if plagiarized somehow. There is NO evidence for that claim.
StAugustine79 2 months ago
@StAugustine79 Mere typography and nothing more. It's not even prophetical. The Dead Sea scrolls are only dated to around the second century BCE, and the worshiping of Gods on cross-like fetishes goes far back prior to that, especially in Egypt. As far as Jews borrowing from Pagans goes, just look in the OT and the Jews worshiping other gods. Hell look up Plutarch and Diodorus and what they mention about Jews worshiping Dionysus.
danieljliversLXXXIX 2 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX That is true, but the context under which Jews worshipped other gods was when they deviated from their own established faith such as during the Babylonian Captivity period. The messianic prophecies, if borrowed from pagan traditions, would have been rejected by later Jewish rabbis. Although the Dead Sea Scrolls were from 200 BCE, the actual Tanakh was compiled in 450 BCE and written over the course of around 500 yrs. Crucifixion was not invented until 600 BCE.
StAugustine79 2 months ago
@StAugustine79 Even when Jews were oppressed and forced to worship other gods, once they were liberated, some wouldn't stop. (See third Maccabes and Diodorus). The centuries where OT books were canonized was also a period of heavey Hellenization and Alexandria (were the Septuagint was compiled) was a favourite place for Hellenized Jews. What's being said isn't a literal crucifixion but on that took place through effigies of gods being placed on poles and trees.
danieljliversLXXXIX 2 months ago
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on-biblical, extra-biblical, secular historians who affirmed the existence of Jesus of Nazareth: Mara bar Serapion, Lucian, Celsus, Flavius Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Suetonius, Thallus, Phlegon, Papias, Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr.
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The Hebrew concept of the suffering servant came from their understanding of Messiah (annointed one) derived from passages such as Isaiah 53, 5:9, Zephaniah 3:9; bringing God universally to all the nations through atonement. Jesus was not a God/human hybrid as in the pagan religions, but God incarnated - that is pre-existing and taking on a human nature. The Eucharist or Holy Communion developed from the Old Covenant practice of the Passover Feast and the Todah offering of bread of wine
StAugustine79 2 months ago
If you want to draw a timeline of Avatars coming to Earth, you gotta draw a pyramid, because each new Avatar is closer to the Source than the previous one.
That is your only folly, dear makers of this movie. But it is so profound.
ColBassonic 3 months ago
Oh, btw, Easter was from the Dutch when they went to America, I believe.
Thsotus 4 months ago
Please, look into near-death experiences.
Thsotus 4 months ago
Go to "Risen Jesus: The Apologetics Ministry of Mike Licona" and search for "Answering Brian Flemmings 'The God Who Wasn't There'".
dcm4294 6 months ago
1:39 i heard about it it's been on the news a couple times haha he's just trying to sound intelligent
angrychair07 7 months ago 2
oh my.....live your life how u want to and stop tellin me these facts how hes not real and take your stuck up know it all life and do something else.. but without jesus u would have no purpose in life cuz u would have nothing to argue against
MrGZUSFREEK 7 months ago
what you don t understand is the power of the devil and demons, a dimension a powers far beyond your intellect my friend,and guys, they don t live in time either.
nothing you d understand, believe me....but toy with your cute little theories trying to knock other theories...they all love it... i ve studied theology and paegen religions for yours and also the occult,for 30 years, you have no idea of what you are dealing with.[its a cute little rebutal though,satan thinks so also
summerstone7 8 months ago
@summerstone7 I already had a christian guy praying for me, with no effect, why don't you send some of those demons on me and I'll tell you if something interesting happens...
Hopefulfilment 8 months ago
@Hopefulfilment ...a lrighty
summerstone7 8 months ago
@Hopefulfilment ...ALSO, i don t have power over demons, ask a satanist to send demons to you. surely you understand the most basic theology...
summerstone7 8 months ago
@summerstone7 I know a bit. but I can honestly say that all I understand about religion and theology is that humanity has invented a great many ways to deal with it's own lack of knowledge of physical and psychological events. The greatest danger they pose is that now that we begin to understand these things they oppose REAL enlightenment: KNOWLEDGE. And while doing so, people die from lack of access to these advancements or stone age tribal wars on a global scale.
Hopefulfilment 8 months ago
@richsuga What do you mean a "cheap shot"? They only illustrate excuses people in the know give in the first part of the video. The latter part illustrates your point: that not many people know or can be bothered to know about these other proto-Jesus figures. The reason religious skeptics look more intelligent that your average Joe (theist or otherwise) is because they do their research.
zawarudowryyyyyy 11 months ago
@zawarudowryyyyyy
Some skeptics do, certainly. But I know quite a few who would be just as clueless as these theists when confronted with these questions.
richsuga 11 months ago
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MzHellinahandbasket 1 year ago
The God Who Wasn't There <------------- thats a joke over a joke its a shame you people dont get jesus message its 2011 and now you all are scared of 2012 LOL
MissCedarbridge1 1 year ago
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@MissCedarbridge1 It's a shame you don't understand grammar and punctuation. You might at least be comprehensible to a five-year old.
MzHellinahandbasket 1 year ago
@MissCedarbridge1 You require basic english lessons. Being comprehensible to at least a five-year old does help.
MzHellinahandbasket 1 year ago
@MzHellinahandbasket mann shut the fuck up now how do you like that for good english or do you still need help understand what that mean
MissCedarbridge1 1 year ago
@MissCedarbridge1 Don't think I follow what you were trying to say here...? You seem pretty aggressive about the point you're trying to make though lol, whatever it is.
Michimera 9 months ago
@Michimera you call what I just wrote aggressive LOL girl learn to become strong then maybe you can become stronger
MissCedarbridge1 9 months ago
@MissCedarbridge1 ... lol? What kind of remark was that? I don't think you even understand what you're trying to say, but anyway. I was referring to what you said as being vague, and the response you gave to someone who replied to your comment *was* aggressive, so calm down. But whatever, you'll probably reply with something similarly obscure and defensive. c:
Michimera 9 months ago
@Michimera all Im saying is that being aggressive is apart of life so learn to live with it and understand that person who is showing the aggression then you can handle alot of hard times in your life thats all I was trying to say to you I am a strong woman not or never would let some one aggressive get me down or upset
MissCedarbridge1 9 months ago
@MissCedarbridge1 Christ, you don't get it, do you?! XD There's no need to be aggressive to people you don't know without a decent cause, I was saying. There's no need to get wound up about it what I said. You're trying to make this personal and I really don't understand why... I was talking about your comment, because I didn't understand it. If you're that sensitive that you need to take such things so personally that's a shame. I'm neither 'down' or 'upset'. Just calm and talk about the video!
Michimera 9 months ago
@Michimera I understand you clearly but you are the one who dont get it I am not upset UNDERTSTAND
MissCedarbridge1 9 months ago
@MissCedarbridge1 I never initially implied that you were. Anyway, the point was what you were trying to say. There was no need to get defensive about it.
Michimera 9 months ago
@Michimera well okay Im sorry if I hurted you in any way so you have a nice life and I wish and pray you get the best out of life
MissCedarbridge1 9 months ago
@MissCedarbridge1 ... Dude. You didn't hurt me, you didn't offend me. All I wanted to know was what you meant by your comment about Jesus and 2012. I'm sorry this has been difficult for you.
Michimera 9 months ago
hmmmmm Sounds like a few scholars are picking on the sheep? The demi gods mentioned and the resurrection in no way are even on the same page as Jesus? a better question would be did these other demi gods( false gods) have their resurrection predicted as Jesus did? Is their an entire compilation of writings based on thier birth,life and death? I think their 4getting 2 mention the writings of Isaiah purposefully!! as so to be able to put Jesus in the little box their creating...seek n u shall find
Sexonthepiano 1 year ago
hmmmmm Sounds like a few scholars are picking on the sheep? The demi gods mentioned and the resurrection in no way are even on the same page as Jesus? a better question would be did these other demi gods( false gods) have their resurrection predicted as Jesus did? Is their an entire compilation of writings based on thier birth,life and death? I think their 4getting 2 mention the writings of Isaiah purposefully!! as so to be able to put Jesus in the little box their creating...
Sexonthepiano 1 year ago
Okay, I don't really think this is fair. There are A LOT of people out there--regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof--who don't know much if anything about Mithra, Dionysis, et cetera.
I think that was a cheap shot for dramatic effect--an effort to make these people look ignorant vis-a-vis religious skeptics.
richsuga 1 year ago
@richsuga But the point is...we only know what we have been fed. we should KNOW all the facts.
maryann799 11 months ago
@richsuga Lol, most people are ignorant. This is what happens when you dig a little deeper and take a look at the bigger picture.
Michimera 9 months ago
stop throwing bullsh!ts all over the place, the mythology say that dionisus didnt died at all, hercules didnt died on cross or tree, perseus didnt died that way either and many more didnt died that way or performed miracles or called alpha and omega as the """""""""""""""""""""documentary""""""""""""""""" says, search search search you damn morons.
Darteas 1 year ago
@Darteas ??? Was any of that English?
DominantDin 1 year ago
@DominantDin no, and neither is that : Γελά ο Μωρός Καν Τι Μη Γελοίον Ει. Try learning some Greek first and then you can talk about your weak language
Darteas 1 year ago
They probably only put the thick ones on
AMY1213141 1 year ago
Hahaaa! Those early christtards were morons! "Yeah, see.."Satan" went back in time and changed the evidence just to mess with our religion! Too bad they didn't have psychiatrists and mental hospitals back then..because that would have meant the end of christianity right there in the start of it..: )
winterstellar 1 year ago 3
@winterstellar lol so true... !
ChristopherLuck 1 year ago
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ultraudv 1 year ago
As an athiest, I think these kinds of movies are pointless. What a shameful world we live in where everyone has to try and prove everyone else wrong. I'll admit that modern religion serves a purpose in today's world and that my views on the matter aren't something everyone wants to hear. I accept that and I keep my views to myself. So should the rest of you. Remember the old saying, "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those that do not, none will suffice."
mcollins7482 1 year ago
@mcollins7482; You are desperately wrong to lament efforts of reasonable people to purge our world of the scourge ignorance and intolerance that is religion. It is critically important for atheists to encourage free thought and not simply curl up and watch the destructive forces of "faith" and "belief" in the irrational to continue to harm our societies. Teaching people to become rational thinkers is an incredibly important and productive goal, and you should be ashamed of your apathy.
epigenomical 1 year ago 13
@epigenomical Destructive forces of faith and belief? Little harsh ha? Let me ask you something my friend if you were on a football team, your team was down 3 scores in the 4th quarter, would you simply give in, or would you have faith and belief in your teammates, that your team could rally back and win? See, I too am not religious, but certainly do not look down on Christians because of there faith. I am also open to the fact that I am wrong and they are right, that does not make me a coward
PTrackWatts 7 months ago
@epigenomical Here here! I'm also tired of people, including friends and family, saying things like "I don't really believe in god either, why do you make such a big deal out of it?" Next time I will quote your comment word for word
maccrimbo 1 month ago
@mcollins7482 Thats all well and good, until it hits home for you. Religion is causing harm as we speak, and in the united states, tax free at that. You must also remember that such institutions, with good normal but Ignorant people, provide a safe haven for lunacy and fundamentalists.
ChristopherLuck 1 year ago
@mcollins7482 You're lying to yourself if you're just religious out of fear, and if god does exist he would see straight through that because he would know what you're thinking.
joe121995 11 months ago
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God does exist !!!
1. Living God-bread of life like Jesus promised in Bible
Eucharistic miracles of Naju !
2. Manopello veil of Veronica and Jesus face and blood like on shroud of Turin, Fatima 1917, Zeitoun 1968-70, etc
3.Eucharistic Miracle Lanciano, Italy 8th Century A.D. till now alive, real blood AB!
4. Uncorrupted bodies of catholic’s saints
5.Calanda, Spain in 1640, a young farmer’s leg was restored to him after having been amputated two and a half years earlier
JezusSlave 1 year ago
And you, Sir, are a bounder and a cad as well as a fool. How do you know what I believe and what I know. How presumptious you are. Never mind, cos I really dont give 2 hoots what you think or believe, you are nothing, absolutely nothing to me. Get a life and a bit of respect, and read a Bible If you are man enough, or woman enough. Enjoy your unfortunate existence.
gillettsibert1 1 year ago
The fool has said in his heart there is no God...
This is in the bible somewhere!! Anyway, if Jesus and/or God exist, Christians will find out for sure and will have nothing really to lose if it is a load of bullshit, and of course everything to gain if they are right. BUT if all you atheists and non Christians are wrong, then you will have a "hell" of a lot to lose, namely your soul. If it is bullshit, then you will be in the same place as the Christians..oblivion. I no what I'm gamblin on!
gillettsibert1 1 year ago
@gillettsibert1 (Matthew 5:22) - "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." Burn in hell. Pacal's wager is a known by theologians to be false and stupid. I am an atheist, and you sir, know nothing about what you believe.
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gillettsibert1 1 year ago
@gillettsibert1 That type of argument isn't going to phase an atheist. They don't believe in hell, so they aren't afraid of it. This is sometimes difficult for a believer to accept. You're not going to use scare tactics on an atheist. Besides, what if you're wrong and the Muslims are right? Will you go to their hell? What about the Hindus? The Jews?
heretic98 1 year ago 30
@heretic98
Jew's don't believe in hell. You should read up on how the concept oh hell was adopted into the other two desert religions.
DearestyouXII 1 year ago
@DearestyouXII Thanks, I'll do that. I should have phrased my comment better, my bad.
heretic98 1 year ago
@heretic98 thats awesome and so true..I am an Atheist and hell doesn't scare me, what scares me are people who believe in gods.
dillinger9999 6 months ago
@dillinger9999 whats even scarier is that they believe a woman was made from a rib.lol
idontsignin 4 months ago
@idontsignin i know rite lol
dillinger9999 4 months ago
@dillinger9999 hell doesn't scare you, eh? go get refreshed to Lybia or Palestine, or work at a homeless childcare center, help someone who IS scared of hell, you brave little worm.
ColBassonic 3 months ago
@ColBassonic I can see you think i have no morals, I with a group of Atheist help the homeless every month, & we do so with out making people pray first for damn meal. how can something that doesn't exist scare me? lol people like you scare me, you are the ones who will kill, blow up other, molest children, beat woman. Not to mention you go door to door telling people of the word of something that there is no proof it exist. if there was a jesus he is the most immoral god ever. look @ your self
dillinger9999 3 months ago
@gillettsibert1 The fool quotes the bible to attempt to prove his case about the god who only exists in the bible. Then he follows with Pascal's Wager, which manages to dismiss every god but the christian god as easily as an atheist dismisses all of them. No offense, but the lack of logic and reason demonstrated by your post only serves to strengthen the atheists' position. For that, I say thank you.
FlyingPinkUnicorn 7 months ago
George Carlin is god.
knowthetruth1492 1 year ago
More angry christians. It makes me laugh
ITCHYjr1 1 year ago
they actually know alot about those gods.
91jgphonecall 1 year ago
Poor guy at the end: "I've see it on the news". lol
chebob2009 1 year ago
God does exist.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
This is a campaign to kill religion, not God.
God must remain in the back of people's minds, for the retards (like the ones mention above in the video), whether he is existent or not.
There are sequenced happenings which fit in together perfectly that one finds hardly to be simple coincidences, but one needs to bear in mind that it just me be as well coincidences.
Also, you need to define God first, before claiming of his existence.
nuclearpolitics 1 year ago
Actually, it doesn't say anywhere in ancient mythology that any of those gods were born unto by virgins, crucified and rose three days later.
jakemonrean 1 year ago
@jakemonrean
I agree, neither it is said in actual Bible that Mary was a virgin, it's a well know translation error, the words "young" and "virgin" were similar to each other in Hebrew, a simple mistake anyone could have made.
Think of all those innocents who've been killed, threw stones at, and been burned in the name of losing their virginity before marriage.
Religion.
Religion must be killed. It must be killed in the same way it killed billions.
nuclearpolitics 1 year ago
If religion conditions you mentally to accept an answer from authority without proper evidence or explanation what happens when you combine that with government?
RunFasterPussycat 1 year ago
beside the beauty of jesus and his real teachings, the rest of christianity(churches) is a big pile of crap made by bunch of fagets just for more money and power and control!!!!!!
shokoraz 1 year ago
~Well it is the explanation because it is true... there is a devil and he is the enemy of man.. and he does work through people to create ways to deceive us.. Read the Bible for yourself.
MrsMaridav 1 year ago
@MrsMaridav there sure is a devil and the bastard lives in the vatican,nuff said
naybobdenod 1 year ago
STUPID STUPID STUPID IGORANCE! The YEC of atheism
lifeandphilosophy 1 year ago
Hahahaha!!! "It's all about jesus man that's all you got to pay attention to ya know" Really? That's it? That's all I need to pay attention to? Wow, I should probably quit college right now! Fuck my text books which contain a plethora of knowledge, I should just read the bible and fear that i'm going to hell everytime I enjoy being a human i.e drinking, smoking, fucking, listening to metal or basically...not being a christian! It's hard to believe christians still exist
FullMoonMysticism1 1 year ago 29
@FullMoonMysticism1 You took the words right out of my mouth.
ArisuUsagawa 1 year ago
@FullMoonMysticism1 As long as there is a dollar to be made by terrorising the credulous and the stupid, Christianity will continue to flourish. It's a religion of masochists and slaves.
Beeshitten 1 year ago 7
@FullMoonMysticism1 you can drink, but not get drunk, smoking will let you in to heaven, but it can give you cancer, more wrinkles, death, sex is good, Jesus said that, you can listen to metal, i do.
all you have to do is genuinely believe in God, and give your life to him.
because seriously, eternity is a lot longer than any lifetime.
spidey2099m 10 months ago
@spidey2099m
"all you have to do is genuinely believe in God, and give your life to him" Oh lovely...all I have to do is give my life to something for which there is no evidence. What about all those other religions that profess the same?
"because seriously, eternity is a lot longer than any lifetime"
Yea...I'd rather spend an eternity in hell then with people like you.
An eternity alive would be....torture...so fuck you and your delusions.
refuckulate420 10 months ago
@refuckulate420 oh OK. so when do you count years from, and spend 3 international holidays, and what's it like opposing a third of the world when they're trying to help?
spidey2099m 10 months ago
@refuckulate420 and also, hell is eternity alive too, except its actual pain, whilst heaven you can do ANYTHING
spidey2099m 10 months ago
@spidey2099m
But I don't believe in either, and you can't provide any evidence they exist.
refuckulate420 10 months ago
religion = stupidity
ExtraordinaryTriumph 1 year ago
This man don't know what he is talking about
Bitalontari 1 year ago
this only made my faith stronger, sorry
Shaz1194 1 year ago
@Shaz1194 Now that's just funny. Hunny, the likelihood of your God, Jesus Christ, being the true God is equally as likely as Allah, Vishnu, and Zeus being the true God. Religion is all one and the same. Just pizza with different toppings.
InsaneMagnolia935 1 year ago
@InsaneMagnolia935 That statement alone demonstrates your lack of knowledge in the realm of theology and world religions. Christianity is radical in it's Theology in comparison to any other world religion. If all religions are pizza's with different toppings, then that makes Christianity a steak dinner. Don't speak on something you have little or no understanding about. I don't know what your area of expertise is, but I certainly don't stick my nose in it and pretend to be an expert.
tbirdpunk 1 year ago
I can't believe people are still using this garbage which has been disprove time and time again for as long as these lies have been around. Please folks, don't buy these rediculous statements, do the actual research. Check the sources of the information. More often than not this trash comes from people such as Massey and Achira S who are not accepted Scholars in the academic community.
tbirdpunk 1 year ago
@tbirdpunk i knew there had to be at least ONE intelligent person here, thanks for speaking out, and anyone who wants to argue with me can go airwolf themselves
Shaz1194 1 year ago
@Shaz1194 Intelligence on the interwebz?!?! I'm just as shocked as you are hahaha.
tbirdpunk 1 year ago
there never was any god and all these phoney sons of god are jokes, jesus being the latest one and if you believe he is the only way tlo a non-existent father, you have been smoking waaaaay tooo much pot
Knowledge2LiveBy 1 year ago
Weak, very weak. The Dionysis as a 'Christ' type is an old objection in new Zeitgeist clothes. There is nothing new under the sun. You consider the claims, you make your choice (or no choice) and you will find out soon enough. Life is short.
sneekapeek707 1 year ago
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
sickofgod69 1 year ago
@sickofgod69 how Ironic that faithless Nietzsche ended up in an asylum himself !
sneekapeek707 1 year ago
I don't make it a habit to respond to things like this... but really, people, all I've seen of this documentary... and other documentaries on religion, like Zeitgeist, is that they take Fundamentalism and use it as model for whole religions. Fundamental Christianity =/= True Christianity. Also, I agree that it is improbable that the stories we have in the Bible have not been altered through thousands of years, but that does not remove their capacity to guide and transform people.
aki009 1 year ago
Sydpart2, all of Jesus' sayings can be attributed to other sources, whether, Jewish, Buddhist, or Stoic,etc..
monsterquestions 1 year ago
Love this movie, just the best. I especially appreciated the end. I always wished I had done that.
I agree that JC is a myth, but I do enjoy entertaining that there is "God" figure that is playing with us. I truely hope he does exist.
Then one day, we can capture the little bitch, -- not kill him -- but imprison him and slow leech his vital life energies away to fuel our largest weapons of war.
mmmm sweet.
amiserable 1 year ago
well, best of luck with that!
helpmetony 1 year ago
christians don't think, otherwise they would leave the muth of jesus is the dust
JourneyOfXistence 1 year ago
haha muth...
Sydpart2 1 year ago
Whatever your spiritual beliefs or non-beliefs are, it doesn't matter. The idea that Jesus of Nazareth never existed is not widely supported in academia.
Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, Paperback, Pg. 122
Keysteeze 1 year ago
See I'm willing to believe Jesus did exist and was just a man. The only reason I have to back that is just how (overall) radically different his philosophy was from anything else at that time. Other than that most of what's said about him seems to be myth
Sydpart2 1 year ago
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Lut41 1 year ago
you cannot prove the supernatural.
btw, like your number.
helpmetony 2 years ago 2
why do people go on a mission to disprove Gods existence? How does it benefit them? How does it benefit anyone?
helpmetony 2 years ago
Why do people go on a mission to PROVE Gods existence? How does it benefit them? How does it benefit anyone?
JetLeeSingh666 2 years ago 6
Overall, it benefits anyone who the excuse of "God doesn't want it that way" is used on.
Sydpart2 1 year ago
@Sydpart2 I agree, although I have never met anyone yet who said that.
helpmetony 1 year ago
Well, it's usually subtext. For example Dawkins seeks to prove thus because he is a science teacher (prof actually) and people were trying to make him to teach creationism and ID. Because God doesn't want evolution taught. Same goes for anyone who's in a group that are fighting against a law by arguing god. The gay marriage thing is a good example of this. A lot of people get dragged into god's existence over whether or not that should be legal
Sydpart2 1 year ago
@Sydpart2 that is them. Go doesnt want evolution taught? Where did that come from? The staff at Oxford wasnt trying to get Dick to teach creationism, what's his issue. Great biologist! Terrible theologist.
helpmetony 1 year ago
The God doesn't want evolution taught is the excuse used for why people don't want evolution taught. And tho it wasn't Dick directly, there was a push to get creationism/ID taught at Oxford (and many other schools) awhile back. See the logical thing to do when someone tells you God doesn't want x to happen is to try to disprove God's existence. This is really hard to do tho. I wasn't trying to literally say God doesn't want x y or z done, God isn't so he can't. But that's the excuse
Sydpart2 1 year ago
@Sydpart2 God isnt what?
helpmetony 1 year ago
just isn't.
Sydpart2 1 year ago
jasonaventure STFU, jeez open your eyes you illogical moron. The answer you seek is answered in this clip dip shit, look it up for yourself. Funny how you dumbass christians religious people lead in every statistical category known in terms of immoral things ie slavery, murder, divorce, sexism, hatred, rape, spousal abuse etc etc. The very fact that you all have conversations and hear responses back from an invisible man using your voice is text book schizophrenia. KILL YOURSELF NOW PLEASE
kaiyeem 2 years ago
If you take the story of Jesus literally you reduce it to an absurdity. Symbolically it means that every person embodies the spirit of the universe. Fundamentalists insist on a literal interpretation because their motives are political, not spiritual. The idea of ritual sacrifice is a leftover from our barbaric past. I don't begrudge anyone their kooky beliefs as long as they don't use them to justify abusing others, but fundamentalists do just that.
luvdomus 2 years ago 5
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Lets look at history.
The word is mâshîyach and Strongs # 4899 appears 38 times means Anointed; a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint). LEV 4:3 - Hab 3:13
From the Root mâshach #4886 = to rub with oil. Found in 66 verses.
mâshîyach is where they get the word "Messiah" except in the translation from the Greek means "Anointed One" a belief of Idolatry, that actually takes away from the Father and His Anointed One's throughout History.
thetruthinlight 2 years ago
ahahahaha! that last guy thought it was something on the news. that was so funny!!
aradia670 2 years ago
wait, what?
who else (real or imagined) had no beginning, no ending, spoke creation into existence, raised men from the dead, walked on water, was born of a virgin,
took all sins of all men on his shoulders, lived a life devoid of all error, descended into hell, overcame hell, overcame death, and
is the incarnation of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent god, whose power is such that by just believing secures life eternal
ah...no, that's not hercules or dionysus
christ stands alone
jasonsadventure 2 years ago
No that's pretty much every hero of every myth ever written; the Jesus myth is simply the most aggressively promoted. Since your childhood is over, why not wake up and taste reality-- you may find it refreshing.
luvdomus 2 years ago
"that's pretty much every hero, every myth ever written" really?
did superman save every soul from eternal damnation?
did, hercules raise anyone from the dead?
did, neo speak all creation into being?
so, is anything you said actually true?
or does
"pretty much every hero"
once you wake-up, taste reality and are refreshed actually mean
"not a single other hero"
jasonsadventure 2 years ago
Yes to all your questions. These stories vary in their details but not in their essentials. The only difference between us is that you have a "favorite' story you wish to promote above all others, while I see the common meaning at the root of them all.
luvdomus 2 years ago
ok... hmm.
can a car fly you to hong kong?
does the word "no" mean "yes"
is a tree essentially a house with varied details? this is the zen-like rational of your argument.
are you lying when you say "i have a favorite story?" yes, you are. you know nothing about my favorites.
if to you all stories mean the same thing,
then they all stories mean nothing
and you understand even less.
jasonsadventure 2 years ago
The only thing about Mythras is that no one really knows much about him, other than that he was born from a stone and is often seen killing a bull. Dionysus and Osiris, I can see (and think is might interesting . . . ), but if we're going to make arguments against Christianity (totally fine in my book), let's at least use good evidence.
missusmadness 2 years ago
Go Mithra!
samthor 2 years ago
Its not surprising that nobody knows of Mithras
He was number one in the late roman period
The early Christians saw him as the biggest rival
He was such a threat that all traces were destroyed with a zeal so thorough that little remains
Only references and remarks in old texts
Like a great early move that was all the rage but no copy remains to see it yourself
The very name is still not spoken in Christian circles for fear that he might return to popularity
No rivals allowed
Choowbz 2 years ago 9
@Choowbz, interesting stuff you said about Mithras there.
What I'd also heard, from a fairly reliable source, is that Mithras' birthday was 25th December, was celibrated with parties and feasting and gift giving, and the centre of Mithras worship was located on Vatican Hill
queenastilon 2 years ago
The takeover of Mithras was so severe that (when they could) the church would execute for even knowing his name
But it shows that even after centuries of active suppression
Something always pops up
An overlooked tomb
A hidden mural
A scroll
Attempting to understand the motive for destroying Art on such a scale
leads to questioning What the fear factor was
Choowbz 2 years ago
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how about everybody shut up! I cant stand all these people giving their interpretations of God and Jesus and blahblahblah. God knew what he/she/it created (HUMANS). God wouldve known that we would confuse and not agree upon his "WORD". So just live your life and act accordingly!
next topic!!!
XquisiteJenn 2 years ago
So you believe in some magical, cosmic god who 'poofed' everything into existence? Really?
Ask yourself WHY your all-powerful, all-loving god refuses to heal amputees. If he is powerful enough but won't do it, then he's malevolent. If he's willing but not capable, then he's not all-powerful. If he's neither willing nor capable, then why call him god?
It is high time we stopped believing in evil, nasty, violent, perverted fairy tales, and got on with making a permanent peace. Really.
wombatstew1 2 years ago 3
LMAO I bet u felt good when u typed that but unfortunately you wasted your time because nowhere did I say that I believe in all that....I dont believe in none of that stuff sweetheart
XquisiteJenn 2 years ago
you ftw!
holdenbane 2 years ago
fyi he does not excist.... (just like santa really)
Inmylifealive 2 years ago
Isn't Mithra a giant bug creature that fights Godzilla?
sinistar99 2 years ago
Mothra
Supahfly5000 2 years ago
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You are my only God,
my only Hope, my only Love,
You are my God unrivalled,
ever so Tender and Delicate
with the weak and the wretched,
let not the Chalice of Your Justice brim over us;
allow the captives to be set free before Your Day, my Lord,
brotherofyoursoul 2 years ago
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our faults in Your Eyes have been many
and our rebellion and apathy even greater in number,
but Your Heart is throbbing with Love and Compassion,
give us, O Father, most Gracious,
a powerful Breath of Your Spirit
to revive us all for Your Glory,
amen
brotherofyoursoul 2 years ago
I think the Nine Inch Nails song and lyric somes up the situation nicely: "Happiness in slavery". Video is a bit dodgy though :)
HWCWTD 2 years ago
If their were Christ's before Christ's, how come their not documented in the bible?
PoopsNGigglez 2 years ago
Because the Christians boggarted the stories. They had to glom on to extant mythologies in order to "be relevant" to the people of the time.
PhenyxinNC 2 years ago 3
@PhenyxinNC prove it
DeJay14 2 years ago
Tell me. What sort of proof do you need? What would you be willing to accept? Because I can give you "proof" and "sources" all day long, but if all you are going to do is quote bible verses back at me then it isn't worth the effort.
PhenyxinNC 2 years ago 14
hahaha! Oh that is text book christian logic. Give him a round of applause *clap clap clap*
HWCWTD 2 years ago 3
Shut the fuck up you fucking retard, I was asking a serious question.
gtfo
PoopsNGigglez 2 years ago
Clearly you weren't. Retard.
HWCWTD 2 years ago
I'm the retard?
Check again you idiotic twat.
PoopsNGigglez 2 years ago
*Sigh*
History is inevitably written by the victor
Bagpiper1603 2 years ago 6
if you ask any christian the question ''who made god'' they will answer ''god was always there''
bertos333 2 years ago
religion=slavery
AyyyeeeOlivia 2 years ago 40
@AyyyeeeOlivia atheism = slavery
Shaz1194 1 year ago
@Shaz1194 So being told there is someone watching you all the time and you better do what he says or else is freedom yes?
ashman9729 1 year ago
@AyyyeeeOlivia religion ---> freedom!! depends on how you define 'religion' really.. ;)
the3dguy2 1 year ago
@AyyyeeeOlivia
slavery no slavery is having no choice. it depends on what religion you speak, Christianity equals a freedom that is beyond an earthly realm. It teaches facts that are inconvient to whores junkies and drunks murderers and rapists/other perverts. non belief gives a freedom to such people to exist and creates more damage to the world even has sympathy for such disgusting examples of life. what is there to gain from denial . nothing. truth is what it is. life is hard. life is
MaestroInfernus 1 year ago
@MaestroInfernus
That was a mess, from what I could untangle I gather you mean it's better to have lack of free choice?
I for one know that if that were the case I would become a terrorist for freedom.
I would kill for freedom, yes.
Thus you've created one terrorist, think of the many others who will kill for that same reason or another coming from your ideology.
nuclearpolitics 1 year ago
@MaestroInfernus
You blame just Christianity for that?
Not that I'm religious or anything, not that I care which one of the religions you pick to criticize, but seems to me be you are being rather unfair.
Junkies? Drunk Murderers? Rapists?
You're forgetting about Islam and it's terroristic ideologies.
I'm sure it's not hard to remember just one of the thousands of terrorist attack cases.
And also, why do you judge that there are no Islamic Rapists, or rapists belonging to other religions.
nuclearpolitics 1 year ago
@nuclearpolitics You obvioulsy have no sense of understanding. Or Morals. fight for freedom. do you think your ever going to be truly free. You Damned or not there are only too absolutes. you are here now fight for the good not the selfish ways that feed evil. I balme you and the False so called Christians all all false religions. Islam is a stain upon the middle east and we should have destroyed that insect while we had the chance a millenia ago. but much like vermine they spread quickly
MaestroInfernus 1 year ago
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nuclearpolitics 1 year ago
Btw there is no drinkiong allowed in the muslim faith dumb ass do your research. I focused on these fundamentalist False Christians that say they've been born again. They still continue to do their evil deeds but now claim they have a God of mercy to obsolve them everyday without pennence. The pennence is live purely without shame and if called for to fight a die for it. The freedom is knowing you will have eternal peace in death after having gone through the waves of of hellfire in life.
MaestroInfernus 1 year ago
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nuclearpolitics 1 year ago
@MaestroInfernus Express yourself clearly, and blame no one but yourself for the very misunderstanding that you, being the retard you are, created.
Whatever your point was which you obviously failed to successfully demonstrate I leave you to your worthless "research".
nuclearpolitics 1 year ago
@nuclearpolitics How can one express more hate for the ignorant more so than i have already. Your worthless baseless research to prove foundationless bang started the whole of existance has not one shred of logical data to support it because you havent proof. Your logic is ilogical a mass of nothing cannot spark existance if it h