The changelings would rock the Borg. You cannot assimilate them and they would cause havoc on each cube. They would take the shape of drones and confuse them all
So in part 1, you say earth surrenders, which would mean enemy occupation of the planet and sol system, yet in part 2 you say they regroup at earth for the final fight... I see you are as inconsistent with stpry telling as the entire star trek production team. Wanker.
this is crap. the borg would never join an alliance with the federation or anyone else. they will assimilate both. the federation and the dominion. resistance is futile.
the borg have made multiple alliances in the past, not only with the federation.
also the future events that brought "janeway" back in time, occured in an alternate reality, her very presance in the past altered the events of history
Some one said Voyager could not go get home if the Dominion won the War becouse old Janeway could not go back. This would be true if not for one factor. The Bord have transwarp drive systems. In an allince they could share that technolegy with Voyager or bring them home another way.
My opinion the Federation and the Voyager crew should have tried to ask species 8472 for help. They are far more likley to help then the Borg. After the meeting with the Voyager crew in the eposode in the flesh. That could have been the start of a powerful allince for the Federation. Plus there more trustworthy then the Borg.
My opinion the Federation and the Voyager crew should have tried to ask species 8472 for help. They are far more likley to help then the Borg. After the meeting with the Voyager crew in the eposode in the flesh. That could have been the start of a powerful allince for the Federation. Plus there more trustworthy then the Borg.
@randomface54....so as usual jane way stuck her nose where it didn't belong and dismissed the first officers analysis of the situation..... nope janeway acted out of personal gain, picard did that once and had his hand slapped by the federation for it and again in the last episode of the series she did the same thing which by the way was the worst series of them all. when it comes down to it all of this could have been avoided if she took her officers heed of warning.
@MacZambrottVEVO plan cos´ they knew Janeway or someone from her officers will find out. Obviously they weren´t mistaken!! So now, bein´ in fludic space with imminent danger to their lives they had no other option (8472 aren´t the chatty ones) but to construct the modified torpedoes and destroy the first fleet and also the second while back in normal space. Then again collective, having the weaponry against 8472 they tried to take power over voyager (remember : this alliance is terminated)...
@billy918237 yes and only if Janeway wouldn't have interfered and allowed species 84722 to destroy the Borg like chiquoté eloquently put it this would have rid the galaxy and the universe a formidable foe and at least with species 8472 they could be reasoned with. jane way whas the catapult for the change in the war that the borg was losing very clearly.
@Casual4Sex Janeway allied herself with the Borg because she believed that Species 8472 were attempting to invade the Milky-way and since they were more powerful than the Borg, posed a greater threat to the Federation. It was only later she found that the Borg had attacked 8472 and 8472 were only acting in self-defence. However, by then, she had attacked 8472 bioships and invaded fluidic space so 8472 (wrongly) assumed that the Federation had a vested interest in attacking them.
@randomface54 you see it´s quite intriguing from collective... starting a war with 8472, draggin´ all other species into it and clearly out of nowhere Janeway approaches with analysis gained from "sticking my analytical nose everywhere" mission offering an alliance against 8472 (regardless she did it only to protect Voyager and whole Delta quadrant not to mention she didn´t know, what Chakotay found out in 5 minutes, while she´d been unconscious). Then collective had to hurry and deploy a backup
@randomface54 and naturally so they would have either the victory, either new portion of starfleet stuff (people including). They really are nasty bastards these Borg. Or the Dark Frontier - remeber that :" So we´ve created a more surreptitious strategy" It always shows that Borg are malicious and greedy (priceless considering the crap about futility and irrelevancy of emotions, vanity, greed and bla bla bla).
@BasutoFurea And that's what happens when you put an avatar character to increase the dialoge with the Borg for the sake of drama. Damn First Contact.
ok so the borg defeat the dominion and then whats left of the federation before species 8472 wipes them out. i would rather lose to the dominion but then in a flash of light ALL RETURNS TO NORMAL FOR ALAS!!!! THE SON OF "Q" SAVES THE DAY!!!! since he was bored and decided to play chess with the galaxy for his own amusement. bad "Q"!!!!
Voyager also made mends with species 8472, can you say ally! For the record to this day there are no drones in the collective of species 8472 since they cannot be assimilated and their weapons are formatable against the collective. Goes to show sometimes the bully gets bullied or there's always a bigger fish. The collective remind me of the Goa'uld, everything they have is not their own, parasites, they have nothing original of their own to brag about. Contenders but pretenders. Whatever works:)
The collective, I believe, never received the finale product of the destructive weapon that proved to be affective against species 8472. It wasn't until the ship entered fluidic space that it was complete and it was an initial test of the product when they first used it by then 7 of 9 communication to the Borg collective was severed. 7 was kept out of the loop on key parts of the weapon so even after returning to normal space again her com was cut from the collective. 8472 can defeat the Borg!!!
imo i think the borg would win but the dominion would put up one hell of a good fight
however an even more interesting query - Species 8472 vs Dominion
cause we all know 8472 would rape the borg ceaselessly till the borg is onto the wall with nothing but a cactus...and a croquet mallet....and then..*rambles on about futile rape and all shall perish*..lalala
@jjjackson5564 I think they should have approched Species 8474 to make sure the Borg kept up there part of the bargin. With the Federation Fleet in shambles there would realy be no one to stop the Borg for taking earth and all other Federation worlds.
So, assimulation of the Dominon......OH FUCK!! That means if the Breen, and Jemhrdar, are both now Borg drones.....maybe this time ALL Federation fleet, allies, Earth, and the rest, will ALL be destroyed, or assimulated.
@Ashenion22 Earth won´t be destroyed !! The Borg would let it be as reward for Federation, that Starfleet gave to the Borg EXTRA PORTION OF NEW FRESH MEAT and quantum of technologies.. xD HAHAHA
hmm... did you see how Janeway puts her hand on her forehead?!! I totally love this her move - it´s like "FUCK NO, IT happened AGAIN and couldn´t be worse righ now" she does that especially when she encounters Q or (and) his relatives...
The Cloning technology of the Jem Hadr would make it so the Borg would not have to assimilate species. The Borg would be able to create their own drones, of any species, by modifying the cloning technology and assimilating a few of the target species. The Borg then can destroy the rest of a target species population. It would prevent things like Uni-matrix Zero.
@RPK74m Maybe they would..just for the fun of it...OH I FORGOT!! FUN IS IRRELEVANT !! haha No seriously - I think that cloning would be useless to Borg.. since collective assimilates only useful things (beings with peak or unusual intelligence and knowledge or abilities) and technologies, Jem´ Hadar without wide knowledge, experiences, intelligence and abilities would be just a big howe of meat... and you can´t destroy or subjugate human soul as Seven of Nine stated at the end of last novel.
+ power to assimilate & link new technology to all previous know technology
Though the borg do have asimilated alpha quadrant races, and hence they will know of the illness that WILL kill the founders. (or use that same weakness in other even more nasty ways)
I'd say borg would win, by killing, not assimilating founders.
+ power to assimilate & link new technology to all previous know technology
Though the borg do have asimilated alpha quadrant races, and hence they will know of the illness that WILL kill the founders. (or use that same weakness in other even more nasty ways)
I'd say borg would win, by killing, not assimilating founders.
u all aren't realizing that if the borg realized they couldn't assimilate the dominion and they decided to attack instead of assimilate nothing could stop one cube can destroy fleets of ships imagine if they decided to send two or four, I mean back at the delta quadrant on their massive space stations they have dozens if not hundreds of borg cubes if they send a few of those the alpha quadrants way there's no stopping them (plus the federation are the good guys so they have to win. lol)
Species 8474 the borgs main threat would be a far more powerful ally for the Voyager crew to bring into the fight with the dominion. In Star Trek Voyager Janeway did make friends with them. Let the Jemadar try to take them out.
The Borg would win. There Tech is Adaptive. It would be no contest. Resistance is Futile. My only concern is the one race that the borg has not been able to Assimalate is also in shambles Earth and the Federation. Prime Opertunity to Assimalate humans.
i think the borg and dominion knew about each other, they would have to, the borg can go anywhere in the galaxy using transwarp hubs, its been shown in voyager eps that jem'hadar have been assimalated before, the founders probably have a live and let live policy with the borg, if the dominion beat starfleet, they might have gone up against the borg next
the dominion wouldn't necessarily lose. consider a kamkkaze jemheddar scout with a bomb going at a cube. imagine a couple. we seen a jem scout kill a klingon dreadnought with kamikaze. and lets consider how borg drone have never been seen to defend against blade weapons. Worf killed some drones on screen with blade weapon. Imagine a founder morphing into a bladed imaginary creature and just cut the hell outta drone.
After the Dominion get assimilated into the Borg collective, they go for Earth. Anybody with a brain would know that. Lol. Unless that one species intervenes. The one thats completely biological from Voyager.
well, the only problem with the ending of this with is that, with dominion down, fed weakened, no klingons and romulans, nothing stops the borg from ruling alpha, beta and gama quadrants
a question...if voyager is in delta, how would they know about the dominion war and defeat of allies??as far as i know they don't have a communication with starfleet...excetp that the trailers are great, but veeery fictional, because i don't think that the borg would help the starfleet, i think the story about borg vs dominion should be different, is kinda unlikely /impossible for story like this...
and if the Borg are after advanced technology the Dominion would seem to be their prime target. Their technology is far more advanced than the Alpha Quadrant races. If the Borg are so much stronger, then why haven't they assimilated the Dominion already? Canon says the Dominion has been active since 10,000 BC. That is a LONG ass time for the Borg to ignore them. I'd say it is because they don't want to start a war with such a powerful enemy. The Dominion can beat the Borg if the Fed can.
The Dom wasn't always that big. 10k BC is either propaganda or just the starting point from a single planet.
Both the Borg and the Dom are the biggest fish in their own quadrants but they by no means control everything. So they are probably busy conquering their own quadrants before they bother with another.
This is why the Borg have never sent more than 1 cube at a time to conquer the Fed. If they were really serious they would send a dozen & there is nothing the Feds could do about it!
They could not assimilate the founders. What if they inject a founder with nanoprobes and it turns into gas? Can nanoprobes assimilate gas? The nanoprobes take time to work. Besides, a Borg Drone isn't going to get anywhere near a Founder. A founder can become anything in order to escape. The Founders are geniuses as well. One Federation engineer created a virus to destroy the entire collective. I'd have a hard time believing that the leaders of an entire quadrant couldn't do the same.
Well the cardassians did have tech that could stop a changling shapeshifting, so if the borg could do the same they could possibly assimalate a Changling.
But even if they can't all you have to do is assimalate teh Jem Hadar and Vorta, the Changlings will have nothing left to fight back with except for a little subterfuge.
Borg would face little resistance until they met the Founders...whom they would not be able to assimilate as the equipment would not fit on their maleable bodies.
this scenario is actually worse for earth because now you have all the assimilated dominion/romulan/cardassian/breen personnell that will be turned against whats left of the federation/klingons...........................earth/alpha quadrant is fucked..............
How about fuck all religious people? I might get on that band wagon, but singling out one silly cult over the rest seems a little psychotic. All religions are bullshit.
if u think star trek an religion are unconnected, u'r fucking clueless. it's called a social commentary, an it's called allegory. Roddenberry himself said G.Orwell's '1984' taught him all he needed to know about religion. if u only understand star trek superficially, an think it's all about shiny spaceships an phasers, u have wasted u'r time watching it, cause u obviously don't have the brain power to comprehend sociology or philosophy. ['They are in no way connected!'], indeed. imbecile.
@Rephilimatlantis The Borg actually did make an alliance with Voyager to defeat species whatever from the fluidic space. And as I recall the Borg were having some really tough times at that point
@Rephilimatlantis Well they did with Janeway... Okay they just wanted to get the modified nanites to attack species8472, but in this short time they were allied with Janeway and the Voyager.
@Rephilimatlantis Not true in the Star trek Voyager eposode Scoripon the Borg did ally them selves with the Voyager crew. There are cases when it is nessary.
also i saw it on tv so i didn't get to see the speicies name but didn't the borg almost get wiped out by a alien species that used the same attacks except they were organic and not technologic "sorry im sleepy so i cant think rite.."
other than the earthlings, who else defeated the borg ? It was that planet had discovered doorways in time and space and was taught in their culture at an early age by memory only. what was their name ?
You mean the Iconian's? From that episode where Data was messed up and had to tell Picard how to destroy the Iconian site and then he had to jump through the portal before it exploded and ended up on the Romulan ship?
Voyager (with the help of Seven) should 'accidentally' open a singularity into fluidik space, so that species 8472 show up. They would rape the Dominion.
carvell, the Borg can assimilate organic matter and metal as well as liquid
If you look at First Contact in the brief moment that showed Earth assimilated you'd have noticed the waters had gone green and metallic which I think is obvious that the seas have been assimilated which proves the Borg can assimilate liquid and therefore could assimilate the founders
It would have been a good premise. Tuvok will turn out to be an unwilling operative of Section 31 (ala Manchurian candidate) and receives instructions from them to provoke the Borg into going to war with the Dominion. Using mindmeld, he takes control of 7of9, downloads Dominion information onto her, and then lets the Borg capture her. It'd be a season-long plot, along with borrowed elements from the reimagined Galactica series.
ovcourse borg would beat the dominion, in contrast with the federation, the dominion are powerful, in contrast with the borg, they're juicey purple grapes
After FirstContact, the Borg became as threatening as the Ferengi. The borg in Best of Both Worlds and the Dominion are the only real 'regular' threat the Federation have faced in the 24th century.
because he is a iddiot and there is no scenes where the borg is fighting the dominion so he should get a star trek game and record a battle between them
You are all dreaming if you think that the Founders woundn't be aware of any invasion from the borg... You forget that the founders are everywhere. they didnt lose the war... they met their objectives. 1) the cardassians are no threat. 2. the klingons are in shambles. the romulans and the feds are posturing against each other, for the Alpha guadrant. The founders ensured that they would be no threat any time soon.
From the beginning (when the founders put Sisko et cetera in the dream machine to determine their motives), we're made clear of the fact that the reason the Founders created the Dominion et al is to protect themselves and ensure their survival as other species used to hunt and exterminate them out of fear.
They were natural pacifists until the world out there taught them that in order to survive they need to adapt and become aggressive with a killer instinct.
They also made it perfectly clear that the only reason they were meddling in the Alpha Quadrant was because they feared that if they all combined their forces, and given their conquest-driven aggressive stances, the powers of the Alpha Quad. were likely to invade and come after the Founders for their tech/shapeshifting secrets and so on.
As Sisko discovered, the changelings were on Earth for long and from long ago, and were everywhere else. They didn't really were after a war, just feared.
The Dominion would win: We know that the nanos assimilate ONLY(!) blood cells. Founders have no blood. Jem'Hadar need ketracel-white, which only the Founders can produce; not eve the mighty Federation was able to replicate it. The Vorta have hyper immune systems which destorys any foreign substrance in their blood, like poison (that can kill 60 Cardassians) and that includes the Borg nanoprobes!
The Vorta, similar to Species 8472, would most likely activate their suicide implants, too. But the Dominion hate weakness, if the Borg were able to adapt to assimilate the Vorta (it good somes years for Species 8472 anyway), the Founders would most likely genocide the entire race and replace them with something better -- something without a bloodstream. Poor Vorta.
They couldn't assimilate species 8472 even with help of Voyager, they could only kill them with modified nanoprobes.The same result would probably be against Vorta. Besides, the Dominion already has allies without bloodstream-Breen!
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the nanoprobes only destroyed the 8472 ships because the doctor programmed them that way, he even says in the episode that the nano probes assimilate, then self destruct.
The borg could just modify them again to not self destruct after the assimilation process, although voyager gave the nanoprobe information to 8472 in a later episode so i guess 8472 would have developed a countermeasure to them again.
Nanoprobes were programmed to self destruct becouse they couldn't complete the assimilation. Seven of nine said that species 8472 has to be destroyed becouse they can't be assimilated.
Nanoprobes couldn't maintain assimilation even for a second, it was only temporary and it was useless...that is why they had to program them to self destruct becouse there was no other way to defeat them.
I did watch it again and they did say that nanoprobes couldn't maintain assimilation for a long time, only fraction of a second. And Seven of nine said and I quote: "If they can't be assimilated, then they have to be destroyed"...now you watch again both parts of Scorpion episode...your feelings of affection towards the Borg make you weak, they woudn't even consider assimilating you...
@escottish140 if the borg decide to launch a full out attack on the dominion they would crush the no chance in hell for the dominion the borg are the most powerful fighting force so much that even Q wants said to his soon what has the continuum said about agitating the borg dont do it .... he didnt say that for no reason ....
and species 8472 had a chance against the borg until the nanoprobes whwre made into weapons
@aviles1323: And the Borg never thought of nanoprobes as weapons; the Federation thought it up for them. Why? Because they can't think outside the box. The Dominion can. That is the Borg's failing. The Dominion took down the Cardassians, the Klingons, as well as the the Romulans (for the most part), and almost won against the Federation. Borg couldn't do any of that.
@escottish140 i never said the borg thought up of using the nanoprobes as weapons i just simply said that with that in the hands of the borg even species 8472 dont stand a chance.....
The borg just failed on taking down the federation but they them selfs almost took down the federation or did you not watch first contact.
plus the borg are adaptive and would easily adapt to any dominion weapon and they have a much larger army. also you never wonder why even the Q seem to have respect for borg
@escottish140 Since Borg value all humanoid lifeforms - imagine Jem´Hadar borg drone - something like species 4228 - the Hazari, EXTREMELY VIOLENT, made them an EXCELLENT DRONES hahaha and imagine special tactical Jem´Hadar unimatrix with class 4 tactical borg cube OH and of course there´s that "lil´" multikinetic neutronic mine - dispersion field 5 thousand light years - some peplo from here really should look on memory-alpha and put things together cos´ then man get the real sci-fi scenario
@escottish140 b´ don´t forget the fact, that nanoprobes and borg implants are capable of assimilating any material and then are able to syntetize it (if there goes about bio-material)
@escottish140 The Borg would adapt the nanoprobes for the founders. Once the Jem'Hadar are assimulated, they would no longer need white; only the electricity energy input like all other drones. The Vorta immune system destroys all ORGANIC poisons. Nanoprobes are not organic.
Borg does not have that many ships any more, they had serious casualties in the war against species 8472 and lots of their ships, drones and even planets have been destroyed.If Borg were that powerful as you think- they would already conquered the galaxy but they haven't even manage to assimilate Delta quadrant.
They'd spread throughout a good bit of the Delta Q and we know they're ... weird about expanding for simple conquest's sake. I mean, really, bro ... look at how the Collective approached the Federation. One cube damned near conquered Earth. Had they sent more ships -- which we know they have -- they could've succeeded.
It doesn't seem to be that the Borg lack numbers ... it's something else. Lack of intelligence, for one, but that's just for starters :)
They did spread but that was before the war against species 8472, after that they had heavy casualties and most of their ships, stations and even planets were destroyed.
You are wright about their lack of intelligence as well, they tend to ignore too many things that could be potential danger for them...
I'm not sure their losses to 8472 were _that_ bad, though. When the Delta Flyer approached the primary Unicomplex in "Dark Frontier," Tuvok reported "trillions of drones."
Yet, in "Scorpion II," the greatest casualties we hear about are millions of drones (in the single-digits). Maybe that's just one battle; Seven later says 8472 killed "billions" of drones IIRC ("Prey?). But even that's insigificant next to the Borg in one unicomplex -- nevermind all their planets.
the dominion would get toasted by the Borg. 1+ million ships of the Borg, superior ships. Only plot hole keeps the Borg from conquering the galaxy with ease. Obviously.
The Federation had a chance to destroy the collective as well using the virus but Picard didn't do it as an act of compassion towards that drone Hugh(third of five).
Founders can't be assimilated- they are non humanoid,liquid and silicium based lifeforms. The Borg would not noticed them on their ships becouse they would shapeshift to look like one of the drones.
And besides i think the borg would assimilate the founders.... they woukld make excellent drones. All they need now is the Omega Particle, and theyll have true perfection
Borg could not defeat federation so they would not be able to defeat the Dominion and Dominion has highly advanced genetic engeneering that can be used against the Borg...all of their tech could not help the collective against Voyager...
1) the federation didn't defeat the borg. 1 borg cube devastated the entire federation fleet. data put them to sleep - the hive-mind then blew-up that one cube, luck
2) voyager received anti-borg weapons from the future (ablative shields, transphasic torpedoes & a neuro-lytic pathogen) all well beyond the dominion.
3) dominion genetics? stop the borg? it didn't stop a federation virus from wiping out the founders.
1) The great link is only on the surface of the Founders homeworld. To gain access to the link would mean linking with the Founders on that planet. Just assimilating one wouldnt gain access.
I believe that the Dominion could give the Borg a run for their money, they can produce a large number of ships and troops at a fast rate, plus their kamikaze tactics would turn the tide in most battles.
bra, check-it here's why i'm actually not wrong yo.
1) any founder that has been connected to the great link, at any time, would at that time gain all dominion knowledge (as odo did).
2) if that founder was assimilated, the borg would then posses all that knowledge (as if they needed it)
3) wolf 359 proved that the entire, inferior dominion fleet would be reduced to sparking, flaming debris in minutes by just 1 borg cube, kamikaze or not.
it would not be a battle, it would be mass slaughter.
1) Odo didnt gain all the Dominion knowledge from his connection which would mean that if the Borg assimilated them then they wouldnt get that knowledge. It is more like a gigantic community rather than a psycic link to many (even though it is a psycic link).
2) Wolf359 was a massacre because the Borg assimilated Picard, gaining the knowledge of Federation tactics and stuff. If they hadn't have assimilated him, it may not have been a massacre and may have destroyed it.
boyah Drifter114! i c u bring ur 'a' game, but yo,
1) there is more evidence that after the link odo had dominion knowledge than 2 the contrary like:
a)location of jem-hadar "breeding facility"
b)new abilities to "morph,"
c)knowledge about romulan alliance, etc.
2)picard wasn't the 1st assimilation w/ key starfleet knowledge - wolf359, without picard, would still be a massacre since fed weapons/defenses were useless vs borg.
but yo, if picard wasn't assimilated, earth would be destroyed.
Not necissarily, if Picard wasn't assimilated, the fleet at Wolf 359 may have been able to stop the cube, if not them, then perhaps the Mars defences.
Also, just because he had some dominion knowledge, doesnt mean he gained most of the knowledge. On memory Alpha, it says nothing about Founders gaining knowledge through the great link.
There were only like 40 ships at Wolf 359 and most of them were the old models. There were probably not much more then the same amt of ships in First Contact cuz it takes a long time to mobilize a fleet. Now they have ships like Akiras, Intrepids, Sabers, and lets not forget the Prometheus which is basically rape. Oh and Dominion are allyed with the Breen, and all theyd hafta do is hit them with the energy dampening weapon and the cube will be nothin more then a pile of smoking scrap.
irrespective of whether the ships were new or old:
(1) they all were retrofitted with state of the art (a) warp cores, (b) deflector shield grids and (c) phaser emitters,
(2) constituted a over a year of preparation & was "every ship we have" according to Adm Hansen - all of which was useless against just one borg cube.
and check-it, the breen weapon doesn't work vs the borg like it doesn't work vs romulans, cuz neither use matter/antimatter core - they would be assimilated as well.
The changelings would rock the Borg. You cannot assimilate them and they would cause havoc on each cube. They would take the shape of drones and confuse them all
volbound1700 6 days ago
So in part 1, you say earth surrenders, which would mean enemy occupation of the planet and sol system, yet in part 2 you say they regroup at earth for the final fight... I see you are as inconsistent with stpry telling as the entire star trek production team. Wanker.
harkeill 3 months ago
this is crap. the borg would never join an alliance with the federation or anyone else. they will assimilate both. the federation and the dominion. resistance is futile.
HappyDuffman01 3 months ago
the borg have made multiple alliances in the past, not only with the federation.
also the future events that brought "janeway" back in time, occured in an alternate reality, her very presance in the past altered the events of history
dameonofaiolon 4 months ago
Some one said Voyager could not go get home if the Dominion won the War becouse old Janeway could not go back. This would be true if not for one factor. The Bord have transwarp drive systems. In an allince they could share that technolegy with Voyager or bring them home another way.
MegaUSAPatriot 4 months ago
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My opinion the Federation and the Voyager crew should have tried to ask species 8472 for help. They are far more likley to help then the Borg. After the meeting with the Voyager crew in the eposode in the flesh. That could have been the start of a powerful allince for the Federation. Plus there more trustworthy then the Borg.
MegaUSAPatriot 4 months ago
My opinion the Federation and the Voyager crew should have tried to ask species 8472 for help. They are far more likley to help then the Borg. After the meeting with the Voyager crew in the eposode in the flesh. That could have been the start of a powerful allince for the Federation. Plus there more trustworthy then the Borg.
MegaUSAPatriot 4 months ago
voyager cant return home if dominions wins :-D because old janeway could't go back.
Rodneyolosa 5 months ago
@randomface54....so as usual jane way stuck her nose where it didn't belong and dismissed the first officers analysis of the situation..... nope janeway acted out of personal gain, picard did that once and had his hand slapped by the federation for it and again in the last episode of the series she did the same thing which by the way was the worst series of them all. when it comes down to it all of this could have been avoided if she took her officers heed of warning.
Casual4Sex 5 months ago
what's left of the federation fleet: quark and jadzia. jadiza is dead and quark isn't even a part of it
MacZambrottVEVO 6 months ago
@MacZambrottVEVO plan cos´ they knew Janeway or someone from her officers will find out. Obviously they weren´t mistaken!! So now, bein´ in fludic space with imminent danger to their lives they had no other option (8472 aren´t the chatty ones) but to construct the modified torpedoes and destroy the first fleet and also the second while back in normal space. Then again collective, having the weaponry against 8472 they tried to take power over voyager (remember : this alliance is terminated)...
BasutoFurea 5 months ago
The new star trek film sucked anyways. CAMPY! is the word that fits it best.
kellerr13 7 months ago
@billy918237 yes and only if Janeway wouldn't have interfered and allowed species 84722 to destroy the Borg like chiquoté eloquently put it this would have rid the galaxy and the universe a formidable foe and at least with species 8472 they could be reasoned with. jane way whas the catapult for the change in the war that the borg was losing very clearly.
Casual4Sex 7 months ago
@Casual4Sex Janeway allied herself with the Borg because she believed that Species 8472 were attempting to invade the Milky-way and since they were more powerful than the Borg, posed a greater threat to the Federation. It was only later she found that the Borg had attacked 8472 and 8472 were only acting in self-defence. However, by then, she had attacked 8472 bioships and invaded fluidic space so 8472 (wrongly) assumed that the Federation had a vested interest in attacking them.
randomface54 6 months ago
@randomface54 you see it´s quite intriguing from collective... starting a war with 8472, draggin´ all other species into it and clearly out of nowhere Janeway approaches with analysis gained from "sticking my analytical nose everywhere" mission offering an alliance against 8472 (regardless she did it only to protect Voyager and whole Delta quadrant not to mention she didn´t know, what Chakotay found out in 5 minutes, while she´d been unconscious). Then collective had to hurry and deploy a backup
BasutoFurea 5 months ago
@randomface54 and naturally so they would have either the victory, either new portion of starfleet stuff (people including). They really are nasty bastards these Borg. Or the Dark Frontier - remeber that :" So we´ve created a more surreptitious strategy" It always shows that Borg are malicious and greedy (priceless considering the crap about futility and irrelevancy of emotions, vanity, greed and bla bla bla).
BasutoFurea 5 months ago
@BasutoFurea And that's what happens when you put an avatar character to increase the dialoge with the Borg for the sake of drama. Damn First Contact.
randomface54 5 months ago
@randomface54 We are in agreement!! (sorry I couldn´t help myself but these Borg lines always make me laugh to death)
BasutoFurea 5 months ago
ok so the borg defeat the dominion and then whats left of the federation before species 8472 wipes them out. i would rather lose to the dominion but then in a flash of light ALL RETURNS TO NORMAL FOR ALAS!!!! THE SON OF "Q" SAVES THE DAY!!!! since he was bored and decided to play chess with the galaxy for his own amusement. bad "Q"!!!!
jamiirali1 8 months ago
Voyager also made mends with species 8472, can you say ally! For the record to this day there are no drones in the collective of species 8472 since they cannot be assimilated and their weapons are formatable against the collective. Goes to show sometimes the bully gets bullied or there's always a bigger fish. The collective remind me of the Goa'uld, everything they have is not their own, parasites, they have nothing original of their own to brag about. Contenders but pretenders. Whatever works:)
Casual4Sex 9 months ago
The collective, I believe, never received the finale product of the destructive weapon that proved to be affective against species 8472. It wasn't until the ship entered fluidic space that it was complete and it was an initial test of the product when they first used it by then 7 of 9 communication to the Borg collective was severed. 7 was kept out of the loop on key parts of the weapon so even after returning to normal space again her com was cut from the collective. 8472 can defeat the Borg!!!
Casual4Sex 9 months ago
@Casual4Sex but they wont the only reason for the war was because the Borg contaminated their space
billy918237 7 months ago
imo i think the borg would win but the dominion would put up one hell of a good fight
however an even more interesting query - Species 8472 vs Dominion
cause we all know 8472 would rape the borg ceaselessly till the borg is onto the wall with nothing but a cactus...and a croquet mallet....and then..*rambles on about futile rape and all shall perish*..lalala
jjjackson5564 1 year ago
@jjjackson5564 I think they should have approched Species 8474 to make sure the Borg kept up there part of the bargin. With the Federation Fleet in shambles there would realy be no one to stop the Borg for taking earth and all other Federation worlds.
MegaUSAPatriot 1 year ago
The borg would assimulate the Dominion then the federation -mankinds most lethal enemy.
sixxof10 1 year ago
So, assimulation of the Dominon......OH FUCK!! That means if the Breen, and Jemhrdar, are both now Borg drones.....maybe this time ALL Federation fleet, allies, Earth, and the rest, will ALL be destroyed, or assimulated.
Ashenion22 1 year ago
@Ashenion22 Earth won´t be destroyed !! The Borg would let it be as reward for Federation, that Starfleet gave to the Borg EXTRA PORTION OF NEW FRESH MEAT and quantum of technologies.. xD HAHAHA
BasutoFurea 1 year ago
hmm... did you see how Janeway puts her hand on her forehead?!! I totally love this her move - it´s like "FUCK NO, IT happened AGAIN and couldn´t be worse righ now" she does that especially when she encounters Q or (and) his relatives...
BasutoFurea 1 year ago
I mean it would be fun to watch but the Dominion would have no chance.
A Borg Cube tore thru 30 ships(including the Defiant) while being fired on by 61 ships.. and the Federation already knew what they were up against.
Just cutting thru Borg space put Voyager at risk of encountering millions of vessels..
At the height of the Dominion war, they had 30,000 ships many of them Cardassian with some Breen.
The Breen weapons weren't effective against Klingon shields.. the Borg would adapt.
Vynjira 1 year ago
@Vynjira Borg would have no need to adapt - they would simply know from "auntie Kathy" what the´d be messin´ with...
BasutoFurea 1 year ago
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InfiniteUniverse88 1 year ago
The Cloning technology of the Jem Hadr would make it so the Borg would not have to assimilate species. The Borg would be able to create their own drones, of any species, by modifying the cloning technology and assimilating a few of the target species. The Borg then can destroy the rest of a target species population. It would prevent things like Uni-matrix Zero.
RPK74m 1 year ago
@RPK74m Maybe they would..just for the fun of it...OH I FORGOT!! FUN IS IRRELEVANT !! haha No seriously - I think that cloning would be useless to Borg.. since collective assimilates only useful things (beings with peak or unusual intelligence and knowledge or abilities) and technologies, Jem´ Hadar without wide knowledge, experiences, intelligence and abilities would be just a big howe of meat... and you can´t destroy or subjugate human soul as Seven of Nine stated at the end of last novel.
BasutoFurea 1 year ago
should have done it like this and made a film from it
hyffuguyftg 1 year ago
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Shape-shifters (constant ability to change)
+ real personality & invention power
vs
Borgs (constant ability to adapt)
+ power to assimilate & link new technology to all previous know technology
Though the borg do have asimilated alpha quadrant races, and hence they will know of the illness that WILL kill the founders. (or use that same weakness in other even more nasty ways)
I'd say borg would win, by killing, not assimilating founders.
Whoesh1982 1 year ago
Shape-shifters (constant ability to change)
+ real personality & invention power
vs
Borgs (constant ability to adapt)
+ power to assimilate & link new technology to all previous know technology
Though the borg do have asimilated alpha quadrant races, and hence they will know of the illness that WILL kill the founders. (or use that same weakness in other even more nasty ways)
I'd say borg would win, by killing, not assimilating founders.
Whoesh1982 1 year ago
you people take this shit to seriously but i still enjoy it. lol
StinkyGreenBud 1 year ago
u all aren't realizing that if the borg realized they couldn't assimilate the dominion and they decided to attack instead of assimilate nothing could stop one cube can destroy fleets of ships imagine if they decided to send two or four, I mean back at the delta quadrant on their massive space stations they have dozens if not hundreds of borg cubes if they send a few of those the alpha quadrants way there's no stopping them (plus the federation are the good guys so they have to win. lol)
xBringinSexyBack95x 1 year ago
hey people - does anyone know the name or at least origin of the audio?? - it´s incredible - the man who made this video is a real wizard!!
BasutoFurea 1 year ago
lol, that would be kinda like the Creek tribe asking Andrew Jackson to come help them roust the Seminoles
WHOOPASSLQ 1 year ago
Species 8474 the borgs main threat would be a far more powerful ally for the Voyager crew to bring into the fight with the dominion. In Star Trek Voyager Janeway did make friends with them. Let the Jemadar try to take them out.
MegaUSAPatriot 1 year ago
@MegaUSAPatriot dude its 8472 not gloating or alt but some smart ass will say its the ocompa or summat :)
Padgeify 1 year ago
The Borg would win. There Tech is Adaptive. It would be no contest. Resistance is Futile. My only concern is the one race that the borg has not been able to Assimalate is also in shambles Earth and the Federation. Prime Opertunity to Assimalate humans.
MegaUSAPatriot 1 year ago
i think the borg and dominion knew about each other, they would have to, the borg can go anywhere in the galaxy using transwarp hubs, its been shown in voyager eps that jem'hadar have been assimalated before, the founders probably have a live and let live policy with the borg, if the dominion beat starfleet, they might have gone up against the borg next
bushwhack69 1 year ago
And can you even assimilate a founder? Just cuz we were never shown that borg and dominon were aware of each other doesnt mean they are not aware.
server2099 2 years ago
the dominion wouldn't necessarily lose. consider a kamkkaze jemheddar scout with a bomb going at a cube. imagine a couple. we seen a jem scout kill a klingon dreadnought with kamikaze. and lets consider how borg drone have never been seen to defend against blade weapons. Worf killed some drones on screen with blade weapon. Imagine a founder morphing into a bladed imaginary creature and just cut the hell outta drone.
server2099 2 years ago
After the Dominion get assimilated into the Borg collective, they go for Earth. Anybody with a brain would know that. Lol. Unless that one species intervenes. The one thats completely biological from Voyager.
recniabsal 2 years ago
well, the only problem with the ending of this with is that, with dominion down, fed weakened, no klingons and romulans, nothing stops the borg from ruling alpha, beta and gama quadrants
debelipero 2 years ago 3
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LocutusOfBorg31 2 years ago
a question...if voyager is in delta, how would they know about the dominion war and defeat of allies??as far as i know they don't have a communication with starfleet...excetp that the trailers are great, but veeery fictional, because i don't think that the borg would help the starfleet, i think the story about borg vs dominion should be different, is kinda unlikely /impossible for story like this...
LocutusOfBorg31 2 years ago
In the Episode "Message in a Bottle." The Doctor transports to the Alpha Quadrant, and is told about the Dominion war.
360Frostt 2 years ago 2
belo was a comment to xmenforever
Artaphernes 2 years ago
[2nd comment to 'XMenForever']- ...u probably didn't think x-men was about racism, either, huh? ...Art is wasted on useless dumb fucks like this.
ptthunder 2 years ago
and if the Borg are after advanced technology the Dominion would seem to be their prime target. Their technology is far more advanced than the Alpha Quadrant races. If the Borg are so much stronger, then why haven't they assimilated the Dominion already? Canon says the Dominion has been active since 10,000 BC. That is a LONG ass time for the Borg to ignore them. I'd say it is because they don't want to start a war with such a powerful enemy. The Dominion can beat the Borg if the Fed can.
VaitrucciSatch 2 years ago
The Dom wasn't always that big. 10k BC is either propaganda or just the starting point from a single planet.
Both the Borg and the Dom are the biggest fish in their own quadrants but they by no means control everything. So they are probably busy conquering their own quadrants before they bother with another.
This is why the Borg have never sent more than 1 cube at a time to conquer the Fed. If they were really serious they would send a dozen & there is nothing the Feds could do about it!
ThanatoselNyx 2 years ago
Part of the Collective actually does extend into the Gamma quadrant in the canon book "Star Trek Star Charts" by Geoffrey Mandel
karkkosvolfe 2 years ago
They could not assimilate the founders. What if they inject a founder with nanoprobes and it turns into gas? Can nanoprobes assimilate gas? The nanoprobes take time to work. Besides, a Borg Drone isn't going to get anywhere near a Founder. A founder can become anything in order to escape. The Founders are geniuses as well. One Federation engineer created a virus to destroy the entire collective. I'd have a hard time believing that the leaders of an entire quadrant couldn't do the same.
VaitrucciSatch 2 years ago
Well the cardassians did have tech that could stop a changling shapeshifting, so if the borg could do the same they could possibly assimalate a Changling.
But even if they can't all you have to do is assimalate teh Jem Hadar and Vorta, the Changlings will have nothing left to fight back with except for a little subterfuge.
ThanatoselNyx 2 years ago
Borg would face little resistance until they met the Founders...whom they would not be able to assimilate as the equipment would not fit on their maleable bodies.
arnabdas56 2 years ago
God this was dumb. who wasted time watching this? I want that 1 min 32 seconds of my life back, you fuck.
desertheat81 2 years ago 4
this scenario is actually worse for earth because now you have all the assimilated dominion/romulan/cardassian/breen personnell that will be turned against whats left of the federation/klingons...........................earth/alpha quadrant is fucked..............
bremenlegation 2 years ago
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Fuck all muslims, are you with me?
simedime80 2 years ago
How about fuck all religious people? I might get on that band wagon, but singling out one silly cult over the rest seems a little psychotic. All religions are bullshit.
kokobaboko 2 years ago
OK... why is it that almost every star trek video I watch has at lest one comment about religion? They are in no way connected!
XMenForever 2 years ago
I believe its called a joke. Random nonsensical humour
bulked 2 years ago
if u think star trek an religion are unconnected, u'r fucking clueless. it's called a social commentary, an it's called allegory. Roddenberry himself said G.Orwell's '1984' taught him all he needed to know about religion. if u only understand star trek superficially, an think it's all about shiny spaceships an phasers, u have wasted u'r time watching it, cause u obviously don't have the brain power to comprehend sociology or philosophy. ['They are in no way connected!'], indeed. imbecile.
ptthunder 2 years ago
No wonder I was the only one in the room going... Bam Bam Zap Zap Laaaaazzzzzzerrrrrrrrrrr.... PHOTON Torpedo Kablam...
robbyperez 2 years ago
people are all about understanding and discvering other life forms which really seems to piss off christians
Artaphernes 2 years ago
cmon dont you see humor in saying religions are bullshit on a scifi video post?
shellback1970 2 years ago
I don't see anything humorous about ANY religion.
kokobaboko 2 years ago
Nice editing! I like the fade to B&W effect! How did you do that?
Danny77uk 2 years ago
the borg would never make an alliance with anyone
Rephilimatlantis 2 years ago 7
I thought they already did... or at least a temporary one...
Prestinoiam 2 years ago
@Rephilimatlantis The Borg actually did make an alliance with Voyager to defeat species whatever from the fluidic space. And as I recall the Borg were having some really tough times at that point
begyneth 1 year ago
@Rephilimatlantis you obviously never seen the episodes
killakadafi77 1 year ago
@Rephilimatlantis Well they did with Janeway... Okay they just wanted to get the modified nanites to attack species8472, but in this short time they were allied with Janeway and the Voyager.
ThorBeliskner 1 year ago
@Rephilimatlantis no true they have done it in the series it was short term but the borg have had an alliance
everton1120 9 months ago
@Rephilimatlantis It is in their interest.
They get to assimilate a shit ton of ships, plus they could backstab their allies at any moment and assimilate them too! Ain't that great?
StelarCF 8 months ago
@Rephilimatlantis They have in the past. Watch Star trek Voyager.
MegaUSAPatriot 7 months ago
@Rephilimatlantis They did temporarily ally with the crew of Voyager. Not blasted likely but given the right reasons...
Trunker21 6 months ago
@Rephilimatlantis Clearly you have never watched star trek then,the borg had an alliance with voyager.
karenlikestea 6 months ago
@Rephilimatlantis Not true in the Star trek Voyager eposode Scoripon the Borg did ally them selves with the Voyager crew. There are cases when it is nessary.
MegaUSAPatriot 4 months ago
@Rephilimatlantis they did, with voyager!! against the undine-species 8472
dukeofstradone 3 months ago
@Rephilimatlantis they formed a temporary alliance with voyager once to wipe out all species 8472 presence in the delta quadrant
MrMikellsof88 3 months ago
@MrMikellsof88 well nothign lasts for ever (except verterium-cortenide HEHE) ...
BasutoFurea 3 months ago
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The origin of the Borg was in Mecca in 610 AD, The First Borg "Queen" at the time was MuhamMAD
Tepukeman 2 years ago
nice O:
BORG FTW! >O
also i saw it on tv so i didn't get to see the speicies name but didn't the borg almost get wiped out by a alien species that used the same attacks except they were organic and not technologic "sorry im sleepy so i cant think rite.."
kawaiifreak860 3 years ago
So who is in alliance and who is fighting whom here. This was total mess.
azamemnius 3 years ago
So who's allied with who now? In the end, it seems like everybody is fighting everybody else...
snowman555555 3 years ago
other than the earthlings, who else defeated the borg ? It was that planet had discovered doorways in time and space and was taught in their culture at an early age by memory only. what was their name ?
mockingbirdstate 3 years ago
You mean the Iconian's? From that episode where Data was messed up and had to tell Picard how to destroy the Iconian site and then he had to jump through the portal before it exploded and ended up on the Romulan ship?
childofthesun32 3 years ago
Voyager (with the help of Seven) should 'accidentally' open a singularity into fluidik space, so that species 8472 show up. They would rape the Dominion.
leeman77 3 years ago
Wonderfully done
Lemadi 3 years ago
thats cul when its balck and white and awesum slidshow
WidowluMonster 3 years ago
How could the borg assimalate the founder's?
there are after all made of liquid......
carvell99 3 years ago
the founders were infected with a virus so maybe nano probes can to the same
Raiderdude52 3 years ago
Which raises the question that as the founders can become a chemical reaction (fire) how the hell does the virus stay with them.
DarthTanner 3 years ago
carvell, the Borg can assimilate organic matter and metal as well as liquid
If you look at First Contact in the brief moment that showed Earth assimilated you'd have noticed the waters had gone green and metallic which I think is obvious that the seas have been assimilated which proves the Borg can assimilate liquid and therefore could assimilate the founders
kanenkitten 3 years ago
It would have been a good premise. Tuvok will turn out to be an unwilling operative of Section 31 (ala Manchurian candidate) and receives instructions from them to provoke the Borg into going to war with the Dominion. Using mindmeld, he takes control of 7of9, downloads Dominion information onto her, and then lets the Borg capture her. It'd be a season-long plot, along with borrowed elements from the reimagined Galactica series.
silaku 3 years ago
ovcourse borg would beat the dominion, in contrast with the federation, the dominion are powerful, in contrast with the borg, they're juicey purple grapes
fpbologna 3 years ago
After FirstContact, the Borg became as threatening as the Ferengi. The borg in Best of Both Worlds and the Dominion are the only real 'regular' threat the Federation have faced in the 24th century.
kitchenaut 3 years ago
Nice editing! Very cool video!
As for who would win, in "reality?"...Hmmm... ;)
altezzza 3 years ago
hello thar i shall spoil it for you by saying the borg because they'r like my favorite damn species in startek XD
kawaiifreak860 3 years ago
agreed, borg would take it easily.
mydogwearsacape 2 years ago
yeah.
kawaiifreak860 2 years ago
the borg would beat the dominion, theyd beat their ass.
C0LL1N 3 years ago
ok enemies become allies so why is there a scene with voyager and a borg scout ship fighting.
ElensarFFXI 3 years ago 4
because he is a iddiot and there is no scenes where the borg is fighting the dominion so he should get a star trek game and record a battle between them
sifoofighters 3 years ago 3
thats an awsome video awsome a new chapter in star trek way to go yahhh im a trekie and holy shit that rocks
BigMafiaKiller 3 years ago
make that into a film pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese
hathome 3 years ago
what is the episode at 1:15?
McGoogle555 3 years ago
You are all dreaming if you think that the Founders woundn't be aware of any invasion from the borg... You forget that the founders are everywhere. they didnt lose the war... they met their objectives. 1) the cardassians are no threat. 2. the klingons are in shambles. the romulans and the feds are posturing against each other, for the Alpha guadrant. The founders ensured that they would be no threat any time soon.
dogged8ty4 3 years ago 13
I agree completely.
From the beginning (when the founders put Sisko et cetera in the dream machine to determine their motives), we're made clear of the fact that the reason the Founders created the Dominion et al is to protect themselves and ensure their survival as other species used to hunt and exterminate them out of fear.
They were natural pacifists until the world out there taught them that in order to survive they need to adapt and become aggressive with a killer instinct.
Foxstab 3 years ago 4
They also made it perfectly clear that the only reason they were meddling in the Alpha Quadrant was because they feared that if they all combined their forces, and given their conquest-driven aggressive stances, the powers of the Alpha Quad. were likely to invade and come after the Founders for their tech/shapeshifting secrets and so on.
As Sisko discovered, the changelings were on Earth for long and from long ago, and were everywhere else. They didn't really were after a war, just feared.
Foxstab 3 years ago 3
The Dominion would win: We know that the nanos assimilate ONLY(!) blood cells. Founders have no blood. Jem'Hadar need ketracel-white, which only the Founders can produce; not eve the mighty Federation was able to replicate it. The Vorta have hyper immune systems which destorys any foreign substrance in their blood, like poison (that can kill 60 Cardassians) and that includes the Borg nanoprobes!
escottish140 3 years ago 11
About that last part:
JUST LIKE SPECIES 8472!!!
Maybe the solution would be the same...
phazonmetroid666 3 years ago 2
The Vorta, similar to Species 8472, would most likely activate their suicide implants, too. But the Dominion hate weakness, if the Borg were able to adapt to assimilate the Vorta (it good somes years for Species 8472 anyway), the Founders would most likely genocide the entire race and replace them with something better -- something without a bloodstream. Poor Vorta.
escottish140 3 years ago
They couldn't assimilate species 8472 even with help of Voyager, they could only kill them with modified nanoprobes.The same result would probably be against Vorta. Besides, the Dominion already has allies without bloodstream-Breen!
23Lanaxy 3 years ago
Ah, yes, the Breen.
Poor Vorta...they always get the fuzzy end of the lollipop.
escottish140 3 years ago 5
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the nanoprobes only destroyed the 8472 ships because the doctor programmed them that way, he even says in the episode that the nano probes assimilate, then self destruct.
The borg could just modify them again to not self destruct after the assimilation process, although voyager gave the nanoprobe information to 8472 in a later episode so i guess 8472 would have developed a countermeasure to them again.
ElensarFFXI 3 years ago
Nanoprobes were programmed to self destruct becouse they couldn't complete the assimilation. Seven of nine said that species 8472 has to be destroyed becouse they can't be assimilated.
23Lanaxy 3 years ago 3
lol they never said they couldnt complete the assimilation but the doctor said they assimilate them and then self destruct, watch the episode again.
Dont even know why im having a startrek conversation with an idiot on youtube to be honest lol.
peace lol
ElensarFFXI 3 years ago
Nanoprobes couldn't maintain assimilation even for a second, it was only temporary and it was useless...that is why they had to program them to self destruct becouse there was no other way to defeat them.
23Lanaxy 3 years ago
The episode never said that at all that is simply your interpretation of it. Watch it again.
ElensarFFXI 3 years ago
I did watch it again and they did say that nanoprobes couldn't maintain assimilation for a long time, only fraction of a second. And Seven of nine said and I quote: "If they can't be assimilated, then they have to be destroyed"...now you watch again both parts of Scorpion episode...your feelings of affection towards the Borg make you weak, they woudn't even consider assimilating you...
23Lanaxy 3 years ago
@escottish140 if the borg decide to launch a full out attack on the dominion they would crush the no chance in hell for the dominion the borg are the most powerful fighting force so much that even Q wants said to his soon what has the continuum said about agitating the borg dont do it .... he didnt say that for no reason ....
and species 8472 had a chance against the borg until the nanoprobes whwre made into weapons
aviles1323 1 year ago
@aviles1323: And the Borg never thought of nanoprobes as weapons; the Federation thought it up for them. Why? Because they can't think outside the box. The Dominion can. That is the Borg's failing. The Dominion took down the Cardassians, the Klingons, as well as the the Romulans (for the most part), and almost won against the Federation. Borg couldn't do any of that.
escottish140 1 year ago
@escottish140 i never said the borg thought up of using the nanoprobes as weapons i just simply said that with that in the hands of the borg even species 8472 dont stand a chance.....
The borg just failed on taking down the federation but they them selfs almost took down the federation or did you not watch first contact.
plus the borg are adaptive and would easily adapt to any dominion weapon and they have a much larger army. also you never wonder why even the Q seem to have respect for borg
aviles1323 1 year ago
@escottish140 Since Borg value all humanoid lifeforms - imagine Jem´Hadar borg drone - something like species 4228 - the Hazari, EXTREMELY VIOLENT, made them an EXCELLENT DRONES hahaha and imagine special tactical Jem´Hadar unimatrix with class 4 tactical borg cube OH and of course there´s that "lil´" multikinetic neutronic mine - dispersion field 5 thousand light years - some peplo from here really should look on memory-alpha and put things together cos´ then man get the real sci-fi scenario
BasutoFurea 1 year ago
@escottish140 b´ don´t forget the fact, that nanoprobes and borg implants are capable of assimilating any material and then are able to syntetize it (if there goes about bio-material)
BasutoFurea 1 year ago
@escottish140 The Borg would adapt the nanoprobes for the founders. Once the Jem'Hadar are assimulated, they would no longer need white; only the electricity energy input like all other drones. The Vorta immune system destroys all ORGANIC poisons. Nanoprobes are not organic.
MisterSecurity702 1 year ago
Yo Jasonadventure, you are wright...I guess I tend to exaggerate sometimes.Thay are only fictional characters (LOL)
Wyx31 3 years ago 2
Borg does not have that many ships any more, they had serious casualties in the war against species 8472 and lots of their ships, drones and even planets have been destroyed.If Borg were that powerful as you think- they would already conquered the galaxy but they haven't even manage to assimilate Delta quadrant.
23Lanaxy 3 years ago 3
They'd spread throughout a good bit of the Delta Q and we know they're ... weird about expanding for simple conquest's sake. I mean, really, bro ... look at how the Collective approached the Federation. One cube damned near conquered Earth. Had they sent more ships -- which we know they have -- they could've succeeded.
It doesn't seem to be that the Borg lack numbers ... it's something else. Lack of intelligence, for one, but that's just for starters :)
senatus 3 years ago
They did spread but that was before the war against species 8472, after that they had heavy casualties and most of their ships, stations and even planets were destroyed.
You are wright about their lack of intelligence as well, they tend to ignore too many things that could be potential danger for them...
23Lanaxy 3 years ago 8
The Borg are dumb :)
I'm not sure their losses to 8472 were _that_ bad, though. When the Delta Flyer approached the primary Unicomplex in "Dark Frontier," Tuvok reported "trillions of drones."
Yet, in "Scorpion II," the greatest casualties we hear about are millions of drones (in the single-digits). Maybe that's just one battle; Seven later says 8472 killed "billions" of drones IIRC ("Prey?). But even that's insigificant next to the Borg in one unicomplex -- nevermind all their planets.
senatus 3 years ago
the dominion would get toasted by the Borg. 1+ million ships of the Borg, superior ships. Only plot hole keeps the Borg from conquering the galaxy with ease. Obviously.
EVariation 3 years ago
The Federation had a chance to destroy the collective as well using the virus but Picard didn't do it as an act of compassion towards that drone Hugh(third of five).
Wyx31 3 years ago 4
i know. picards such a fricken, self-righteous pussy.
if it weren't for 3 episodes of tng, i would not be down with picard, but after...
a) when a probe causes him to live an entire different life in a day
b) when the borg assimilated him &
c) when the cardassians capture and interogated him
picard became my boi...
"there are three lights!"
jasonsadventure 3 years ago 4
"THERE....ARE..........FOUR...LIGHTS !! " lol
darkboiwonder 2 years ago 17
bro! like that is one of the three greatest picard moments in like all of tng yo.
jasonsadventure 2 years ago 4
Founders can't be assimilated- they are non humanoid,liquid and silicium based lifeforms. The Borg would not noticed them on their ships becouse they would shapeshift to look like one of the drones.
23Lanaxy 3 years ago 3
Well, when unimatrix one started converting drones to their former selves, the borg queen was able to be like.. you, i can't hear you, go die.
Oh, can't hear people on that ship, go blow up.
Spanishiwa 3 years ago
Kirk would kick some Borg ass, he would rape Borg queen and all the drones would have to watch LOL ;-)
13Jole666 3 years ago 4
Nor Dominion or Borg would stand a chance against Kirk and his crew ;-)Not Picard, Sisko, Archer or Janeway...
13Jole666 3 years ago 3
lol
360flipjames 3 years ago
And besides i think the borg would assimilate the founders.... they woukld make excellent drones. All they need now is the Omega Particle, and theyll have true perfection
Darth305 3 years ago
You nerds are underestimate the Dominion and overestimate the Borg, big mistake...
Wyx31 3 years ago
nah they can't borg will always prevail
Darkjunior224 3 years ago
if the borg noticed there is a founder on their ship or something they will blow up their own ships to kill the founders like that
Darkjunior224 3 years ago
yo bro,
a founder would never get that far. the borg would adapt to their abilities and assimilate a founder in a heart beat.
after assimilating just 1 founder, because of the great link, the borg then would know everything there is to know about the dominion.
then the borg dispatches just one cube (out of thousands) wipes out all the jem-hadar and assimilates the entire great link in a single afternoon.
only the worm-hole aliens (the prophets) could help.
just like that.
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
yo bra, "us nerds?" wait, seriously?
as if u who writes,
________"overestimate the borg, big mistake"
r a member of the cool-guy, geek-haters club??
yo bro check-it, **anyone** who comments on borg/dominion superiority is a mega-geek!
u did get the memo, right?? u know, the "we run the world, muhahaha" memo - google, microsoft, intel, NASDAQ, boeing, facebook, apple, etc.
so yo Wyx31, come out of the closet & embrace ur proud, trekie luvn, d&d playing, robot-build'n, chess-club heritage.
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
Borg could not defeat federation so they would not be able to defeat the Dominion and Dominion has highly advanced genetic engeneering that can be used against the Borg...all of their tech could not help the collective against Voyager...
23Lanaxy 3 years ago
23Lanaxy, interesting but ridiculous bra..
1) the federation didn't defeat the borg. 1 borg cube devastated the entire federation fleet. data put them to sleep - the hive-mind then blew-up that one cube, luck
2) voyager received anti-borg weapons from the future (ablative shields, transphasic torpedoes & a neuro-lytic pathogen) all well beyond the dominion.
3) dominion genetics? stop the borg? it didn't stop a federation virus from wiping out the founders.
1 borg cube = annihilated dominon
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
You are wrong in 1 way.
1) The great link is only on the surface of the Founders homeworld. To gain access to the link would mean linking with the Founders on that planet. Just assimilating one wouldnt gain access.
I believe that the Dominion could give the Borg a run for their money, they can produce a large number of ships and troops at a fast rate, plus their kamikaze tactics would turn the tide in most battles.
Drifter114 3 years ago
bra, check-it here's why i'm actually not wrong yo.
1) any founder that has been connected to the great link, at any time, would at that time gain all dominion knowledge (as odo did).
2) if that founder was assimilated, the borg would then posses all that knowledge (as if they needed it)
3) wolf 359 proved that the entire, inferior dominion fleet would be reduced to sparking, flaming debris in minutes by just 1 borg cube, kamikaze or not.
it would not be a battle, it would be mass slaughter.
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
Actually:
1) Odo didnt gain all the Dominion knowledge from his connection which would mean that if the Borg assimilated them then they wouldnt get that knowledge. It is more like a gigantic community rather than a psycic link to many (even though it is a psycic link).
2) Wolf359 was a massacre because the Borg assimilated Picard, gaining the knowledge of Federation tactics and stuff. If they hadn't have assimilated him, it may not have been a massacre and may have destroyed it.
Drifter114 3 years ago
boyah Drifter114! i c u bring ur 'a' game, but yo,
1) there is more evidence that after the link odo had dominion knowledge than 2 the contrary like:
a)location of jem-hadar "breeding facility"
b)new abilities to "morph,"
c)knowledge about romulan alliance, etc.
2)picard wasn't the 1st assimilation w/ key starfleet knowledge - wolf359, without picard, would still be a massacre since fed weapons/defenses were useless vs borg.
but yo, if picard wasn't assimilated, earth would be destroyed.
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
Not necissarily, if Picard wasn't assimilated, the fleet at Wolf 359 may have been able to stop the cube, if not them, then perhaps the Mars defences.
Also, just because he had some dominion knowledge, doesnt mean he gained most of the knowledge. On memory Alpha, it says nothing about Founders gaining knowledge through the great link.
Drifter114 3 years ago
kind of weak and irrelevant bra since the fact are these:
(1) 1 borg cube demolished the entire federation fleet (fact)
- mars? lol. gimme a break.
(2) nothing indicates without picard, anything would have changed (fact)
(3) odo got info from link (fact)
(4) no one knows if it was limited (fact)
your points are speculation without facts
my points have facts to back them up.
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
There were only like 40 ships at Wolf 359 and most of them were the old models. There were probably not much more then the same amt of ships in First Contact cuz it takes a long time to mobilize a fleet. Now they have ships like Akiras, Intrepids, Sabers, and lets not forget the Prometheus which is basically rape. Oh and Dominion are allyed with the Breen, and all theyd hafta do is hit them with the energy dampening weapon and the cube will be nothin more then a pile of smoking scrap.
forzajuve519 3 years ago
yo bro,
irrespective of whether the ships were new or old:
(1) they all were retrofitted with state of the art (a) warp cores, (b) deflector shield grids and (c) phaser emitters,
(2) constituted a over a year of preparation & was "every ship we have" according to Adm Hansen - all of which was useless against just one borg cube.
and check-it, the breen weapon doesn't work vs the borg like it doesn't work vs romulans, cuz neither use matter/antimatter core - they would be assimilated as well.
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
it doesn't have anything to do with the core...?
mydogwearsacape 2 years ago
The Federation only won in first contact because Picard disobeyed orders. if The Enterprise hadn't interfered The Borg would have won.
Back to the subject. The Borg would only need to recive 1 or 2 shots from the Dominions and they would have adapted.
If you've played Star Trek: Armada you'll see The Borg are easilly able to destroy Dominion ships
kanenkitten 3 years ago
star trek games especialy rts ones like armada arent really represenative of the series.
lendial 2 years ago
Now all we need is part 3 where Jem Hadar finally slaughter all the drones and cut their queen's head off
Wyx31 3 years ago 3
The borg always win assilimate worlds its just a matter of time they defeat the dominion
Darkjunior224 3 years ago
Borg were almost destroyed by species 8472, the Dominion would finish them completely!
Wyx31 3 years ago 2
yo bra,
comparing the dominion & the borg is like comparing 18th century england and modern day america.
a dominion fleet against a borg cube would be like the an 18th century british armada against a modern nuclear aircraft carrier.
it wouldn't even be a battle, it would be mass assimilation.
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
I agree. The Dominion couldn't beat the Federation; how does anyone think they would beat the Borg?
drc1981 3 years ago
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wow goose flesh this is a great work and the story is exciting.
very well done.
yeah and we assimilated the dominin. :3
BorgGiXtah 3 years ago
borg queens are not chosen at random they chose ones that can create order like vulcans or other ones
lieutenanterrrrrrrr 4 years ago
hehehe.. yeah you're right they're so gay!
gpvx1985 4 years ago