lol that is not Da Vinci he is not that old looking and didnt live that long lol good drawing but its not Da Vinci. lol also his beard is way too long to be Da Vinci
oh well sara yes i heard at romford /wire me then see what pussies you are that you allow cowrads to kill me ,and we were tight but thsoe have long gone now tis a war thta their will be no redemption from but im singing .i kept my faiths true for long tiem before you know me .its a shame thta scum got involved and we all sued to be men now their are few of us aonyl wankers on tele talking tought now you villified me and thats your denial that you werent that good at your jobs were you,hi queen
there's really no other thing to do than train as much as you can. I know that sounds like an unsatisfying answer, but that's truly what it takes! Practise with drawings objects near you so you can understand how light works on them and such.
we don't really know that, as some experts disagree with the idea that it was really a self portrait of him. The drawing Francesco Melzi (a favorite student of Leonardo) made, is probably much more accurate (and there are some differences compared to this "grumpy old guy").
Agradecido por tu obra y la música. Ver recrear el rostro del maestro estremece de emoción. Bien dijo Leonardo, "tiempo,el enemigo de las cosas creadas" al ver su propia vejez reflejada en el espejo. Debe haber sentido el peso de su mente atrapada en una jaula vetusta y frágil.
heehee slight memory to mind.. when i was young i only saw da vinci as a cartoon.. at my school library it had real pictures of him.. i said he was freakin ugly! - maybe not freakin i was young.. lol
It looks like he should have one of those big yellow fishing hats and a pipe. It might make it original enough you could print it and sell it with out violating copyright laws. I think everyone who trys to recreate this piece tends to turn his head to far to his left. Overall pretty good job though.
thanks!...right now im not working, mi pen got broke but i already ordered a replacement so im waiting just the arrival. btw, excuse me for my bad spelling, english is not my native language.
You dont get good by watching awesome works, but practicing. Start by drawing hands, or faces (black and white) Try to block in shadows and light. You can always use the undo :) if you mess up. But first start out SMALL before you get to do big things
Another thing, if you want to learn how to paint digitally, u need to buy some equipment like a tablet. The biggest mistake is to compare your work to other digital artists. You end up only to dissapoint yourself and discourage yourself from further learning. .
haha youre damn right!! when i got my tablet i really was dissapointed when i compared my work with other guys...but with practice im getting closer to better results...watch my deviantart page if you like... user>> mi-mano-izquierda
Well, i am not criticizing, but computer artwork and real paintings are 2 different things. Painting on canvas cost a lot more than buying a computer printed artwork. Computer art is easier and much faster to do than drawing on paper and coloring it. Anatomy and color still applies to both to be a successful artist. If u dont know anatomy or color, than it dont matter if u are drawing on paper or computer.
If you wanna get thsi drawing, simply go to the google website. Click in the picture submenu, and type in: Da Vinci self-potrait. The search engine will display the whole section on him.
Wahahha! I hope you don't think that all of those movies, cartoons, animes and other things you like are done without the assistance of a computer. :D
I am well aware all of those factors. I can't argue with the animation or any otehr stuff. They are made from the scratch, and the creation is brought back to life. Using the cheating tool to zoom in the picture, and see the shading of the face. That is what I call the cheating. If you do the same thing on the piece of paper, then it would be a challenge.
Then you should realize, that generally speaking, using a computer makes it more complicated, rather than easier, because there are so many more tools, and techniques you can use. I find it entirely ironic, since Da Vinci was an inventor, and you know what? I'm sure if he were still around, he would use a computer too. And he would kick ass with it. Just like this guy does.
I don't think Leo the left would ever used the computer in the first place. He would try to figure out how the machine would work, and try to rebuild something even better. There are disadvantages using the computer:
1) Makes your body exhausted.
2) Damages your eyesight.
3) In the long run, comp radiation will affect your system.
In the end, he would pursue the other things to work on.He was a nature lover.
I think your kind of missing the point of the exercise. When you redraw a masters artwork, your not doing it for the final piece, or to replicate it exactly. The point is to notice how to capture light and shadow on the page (or in this case the screen). So being able to zoom up close is not cheating, its a tool to enhance what he is able to take out of the practice.
I will agree with you on this one, and there won't be any comments from me anymore. I am requesting "Jesusalbertobf" to erase all of my comments, and there is no point in arguing over him. He lived 500 years ago, and we don't even have the clues to determine his Genius.
May I ask if the drawing is your work or a copy? Regardless, your presentation is entertaining and clever. Your selection of the audio meshes with well with the video and its images. Thanks for a nice job.
Nice! Love the Picture. However, coming from a artist perspective, your picture is some what lacking in shape. As in, you drew the picture beautifully, BUT the overall affect lack the sturdiness of the bones and tissues under the skin. Keep on improving!
fantastic ! I used to be a good designer and artists, but lost my games design job, and spent the last 5 years in a nervous breakdown not even touching a computer or piece of paper ! Now I can't do anything and don;'t have a clue how to use all these new programs for art and directing !
Tío, es impresionante que trabajes vendiendo perritos calientes, con el ARTE que tienes. En cierto modo, es bueno que hayas podido explorar tus habilidades: ¿eres autodidacta? En fin, espero que algún día puedas mostrar al mundo tu talento. Claro, Youtube es un primer paso ;-). Saludos.
Gracias,asi es,el dibujo lo he aprendido desde pequeño y me e valido por mi mismo si a lo de autodidacta te refieres,bueno a excepcion de llevar clases de dibujo por 3 semestres en la carrera.
The grandmaster himself would be very happy with this I´m sure! Technology and art combined to pay tribute to the single greatest brain in both technology and art!
PLEASE DON'T READ THIS. You will get kissed on the nearest possible Friday by the love of your life. Tomorrow will be the best day of your life. However, if you don't post this comment to at least 3 videos, you will die within 2 days. Copy and paste this, to be saved
Who the heck are you? I can express whatever my thoughts and opinion on any art piece. When you post some sort of art form, and expect any sort of criticism.
You could sell these easily, or become like a street artist...thinking about finishing up this IT course and then hitting the books to try if i can become anywhere near as good as you. Played around for a month and went from having trouble with stickfigures to not having so much trouble with stickfigures :D
lol, im not a liar, really, its our family business, btw thanks for the comment. in fact im triying to learn more and more of digital paint, so maybe one day i start making a little expo.and who knows...jeje
Very cool video, you could use your art also in storyboards or videogame concepts or in comics, I would be able half as you with my wacom tablet...i ve got to learn.... ;)
what tablet?
JohnnyBeatstee 1 month ago
Que bueno!! Very good.
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any tips on what brushes to use to get that look, any textures i should know about?
RedStreak40 4 months ago
veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy god!!!!
caradecebola 1 year ago
lol that is not Da Vinci he is not that old looking and didnt live that long lol good drawing but its not Da Vinci. lol also his beard is way too long to be Da Vinci
creativecrafts90 1 year ago
Write in youtube: THE SECRET OF MONALISA- PYRAMID AND ALL-SEEING EYE
IgorLeaodeparis 1 year ago
i dont get why people call him da vinci
coz da in italian means from and vinci is city that he was born in
so callin him from vinci doesnt make sence to me
but hey thats just me.
martialartist95 1 year ago
@martialartist95 He did not have a last name since he was a bastard so instead his last name is replaced by the name of the city where he was born
DragonForceWrath 11 months ago
@DragonForceWrath hahahaha i gues youre right
thx mate :D
have a good one
martialartist95 11 months ago
Holy freak! That's just amazing!
danslatente 1 year ago
nice
damitzjan 1 year ago
interesting
MACONLINECOIMBRA 1 year ago
Was this music made for TR2 or it was already made before?
Don't you know.
DictatorRoB 1 year ago
nice but you heve need understand the volume, before ...
sgixeon 1 year ago
oh well sara yes i heard at romford /wire me then see what pussies you are that you allow cowrads to kill me ,and we were tight but thsoe have long gone now tis a war thta their will be no redemption from but im singing .i kept my faiths true for long tiem before you know me .its a shame thta scum got involved and we all sued to be men now their are few of us aonyl wankers on tele talking tought now you villified me and thats your denial that you werent that good at your jobs were you,hi queen
delpha3110 2 years ago
what software did you use
smrm64 2 years ago
did you use a virtual equipment (like a wacom desk) to make this ?
jpetrucci91 2 years ago
hey guys tell me what does it take to be able to shade that good or what kind of warm-up someone should do before drawing
tytyx1 2 years ago
there's really no other thing to do than train as much as you can. I know that sounds like an unsatisfying answer, but that's truly what it takes! Practise with drawings objects near you so you can understand how light works on them and such.
clem2511 2 years ago
It looks so cool!!!
lalamed07 2 years ago
what song is this?
BryanChabolla 2 years ago
Just think what the world would be today, if they had actually made Da Vinci's inventions a few hundred years before they found his lost notebooks.
KingUser2008 2 years ago
o.o
Cool
sampstuntman 2 years ago
Your so talented. You supposed to be doing something really big with such talent. Good luck to you.
MidnightTrainMan 2 years ago
very superduper
can someone tell me what the name of this song is?
aapiebooter 2 years ago
super
aramgad29 2 years ago
nice, I'm quite sure Da vinci would like it, if he wasn't scared out of his mind about the modern world.
alienisuntverus 2 years ago
is that the actual picture of him on the left you can just see a strip of ??? lol
jrwalker12 2 years ago
sth is wrong with the eyes :D..what did u do when u made another layer?just lower the opacity of the sketch?
marc170 2 years ago
Genèse.
Homme synthétique, tu avances.
Galaxie de plastique, mouvante.
Sons et images, nouveaux gènes de lesprit.
Ontogénie dune ère nouvelle.
Intention, absente du projet ;
Dieu est à construire.
lorenzotoluca 2 years ago
really cool
jlddd123 2 years ago
hey, nice video! really liked watching it. keep up the good work. check out my artwork video and adobe CS tutorials if you like.
keuppart 2 years ago
bello a parte l'occhio strabico e cmq interessante il modo di disegnare.
BaroneRosso8 2 years ago
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its so ugly
darwin010498 3 years ago
you can do better?!
X(
KumoReimizu 3 years ago
I'd like to see you do better, or even near how good that is. That is exactly what Da Vinci looked like. Stupid.
fondlist 3 years ago
we don't really know that, as some experts disagree with the idea that it was really a self portrait of him. The drawing Francesco Melzi (a favorite student of Leonardo) made, is probably much more accurate (and there are some differences compared to this "grumpy old guy").
Fichtenbrenner 3 years ago
what type of pen tablet did you used?
sasdasfas 3 years ago
this should get like 2 mil views thats for sure
ilikeyoutub07 3 years ago
didn't know someone culd draw that good on a computer o.o
raz0rspurfire 3 years ago
hey i made a huge 9x9 painting of mona lisa with post it notes for their upcoming contest- please check it out- and vote!! thanks
shayhovell 3 years ago
wow u hav talents u can get alot of money if u keep this up
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago
That's great!
Can you please tell me what is the name of the song?
denisaciocan 3 years ago
uff...genial! deveras te felicito y esa musica....lo mejor. Bueno cuidate, y que sigas asi!
cristinaroco 3 years ago
Agradecido por tu obra y la música. Ver recrear el rostro del maestro estremece de emoción. Bien dijo Leonardo, "tiempo,el enemigo de las cosas creadas" al ver su propia vejez reflejada en el espejo. Debe haber sentido el peso de su mente atrapada en una jaula vetusta y frágil.
auguvalo 3 years ago
Holy fuck... Do that again, lol.
educassiano 3 years ago
well done xD!!
mc68575621 3 years ago
waooooINMORTALabueloLEONARDOteQUIEROmucho
sadeyes1997 3 years ago
k buena!!!
lokoxelbulla 3 years ago
heehee slight memory to mind.. when i was young i only saw da vinci as a cartoon.. at my school library it had real pictures of him.. i said he was freakin ugly! - maybe not freakin i was young.. lol
sakurarox411 3 years ago
Awesome!, the music is perfect!
AyahuaskaPop 3 years ago
The music is inside the Soundtrack of Tomb Raider II the videogame...
leyuju 3 years ago
I like the beard, different from the original, but I just like it
vonhatenfeld 3 years ago
great job
Romaryoplasentino 3 years ago
Hats off to that.
dd628 3 years ago
C O O L ! ! !
Kalaaleq69 4 years ago
WOW! Thats all ive got to say
TheMusicalGirl 4 years ago
jesus albert,,,,just cullunut tiu, quantes hores? fijo q ell no uauria fet millor !
: )
martyr2005 4 years ago
It looks like he should have one of those big yellow fishing hats and a pipe. It might make it original enough you could print it and sell it with out violating copyright laws. I think everyone who trys to recreate this piece tends to turn his head to far to his left. Overall pretty good job though.
Jareed18 4 years ago
Good job, the music is from Tomb Raider II
Right??
iajua 4 years ago 2
yup,
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
can you tell which song this is off the Tomb Raider soundtrack?
thx...great work too!
basselope 4 years ago
Keep up the good work jesusalbertobf. I use a 9x12 tablet intous3. But i have not painted for a while. I do more and more 3D work these days.
buffyguy10 4 years ago
thanks!...right now im not working, mi pen got broke but i already ordered a replacement so im waiting just the arrival. btw, excuse me for my bad spelling, english is not my native language.
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
You dont get good by watching awesome works, but practicing. Start by drawing hands, or faces (black and white) Try to block in shadows and light. You can always use the undo :) if you mess up. But first start out SMALL before you get to do big things
buffyguy10 4 years ago
Another thing, if you want to learn how to paint digitally, u need to buy some equipment like a tablet. The biggest mistake is to compare your work to other digital artists. You end up only to dissapoint yourself and discourage yourself from further learning. .
buffyguy10 4 years ago
haha youre damn right!! when i got my tablet i really was dissapointed when i compared my work with other guys...but with practice im getting closer to better results...watch my deviantart page if you like... user>> mi-mano-izquierda
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
wow u hav talents u can get alot of money if u keep this up
randydang14 4 years ago
Well, i am not criticizing, but computer artwork and real paintings are 2 different things. Painting on canvas cost a lot more than buying a computer printed artwork. Computer art is easier and much faster to do than drawing on paper and coloring it. Anatomy and color still applies to both to be a successful artist. If u dont know anatomy or color, than it dont matter if u are drawing on paper or computer.
buffyguy10 4 years ago
i agree on that
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
wath is program???
andreluisdarocha 4 years ago
i like this drawing. whats the classical tune to this i wanna download.
tekkenjam 4 years ago
If you wanna get thsi drawing, simply go to the google website. Click in the picture submenu, and type in: Da Vinci self-potrait. The search engine will display the whole section on him.
Fman5555 4 years ago
The person wanted the music. Which I can't find either.
Vioven 4 years ago
Screw the hater, man! That's one heck of a drawing! Outstanding job! I enjoyed it immensely... Isn't that what art is all about? =) Tom
squirtsdawgamber 4 years ago
Thanks! youre right
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
I ain't hater. If you have more knowledge about the particular subject, then you can argue about it.
Fman5555 4 years ago
You used the cheating tools(Computer and leo's picture). Try to draw the whole thing on the real paper.
Fman5555 4 years ago
cheating? you have no idea of what are you saying.
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
Wahahha! I hope you don't think that all of those movies, cartoons, animes and other things you like are done without the assistance of a computer. :D
Armonis 4 years ago
I am well aware all of those factors. I can't argue with the animation or any otehr stuff. They are made from the scratch, and the creation is brought back to life. Using the cheating tool to zoom in the picture, and see the shading of the face. That is what I call the cheating. If you do the same thing on the piece of paper, then it would be a challenge.
Fman5555 4 years ago
Dude, seriously. Have you ever used these techniques on the computer?
Armonis 4 years ago
I did used the techniques on the computer to draw particular things(including the architectural drawings).
Fman5555 4 years ago
Then you should realize, that generally speaking, using a computer makes it more complicated, rather than easier, because there are so many more tools, and techniques you can use. I find it entirely ironic, since Da Vinci was an inventor, and you know what? I'm sure if he were still around, he would use a computer too. And he would kick ass with it. Just like this guy does.
Armonis 4 years ago 4
I don't think Leo the left would ever used the computer in the first place. He would try to figure out how the machine would work, and try to rebuild something even better. There are disadvantages using the computer:
1) Makes your body exhausted.
2) Damages your eyesight.
3) In the long run, comp radiation will affect your system.
In the end, he would pursue the other things to work on.He was a nature lover.
Fman5555 4 years ago
your a chump
supermanfit 4 years ago
I can reason with the people, and argue with them. One thing they never do, backup their claim by supporting what are they saying.
Fman5555 4 years ago
this guys works awesome!!!! u shouldnt critisize it!!
supermanfit 4 years ago
Someone will critize your work when it comes to art and technical drawings. You never know who might that be.
Fman5555 4 years ago
I think your kind of missing the point of the exercise. When you redraw a masters artwork, your not doing it for the final piece, or to replicate it exactly. The point is to notice how to capture light and shadow on the page (or in this case the screen). So being able to zoom up close is not cheating, its a tool to enhance what he is able to take out of the practice.
stinkybaby404 4 years ago
I will agree with you on this one, and there won't be any comments from me anymore. I am requesting "Jesusalbertobf" to erase all of my comments, and there is no point in arguing over him. He lived 500 years ago, and we don't even have the clues to determine his Genius.
Fman5555 4 years ago
Unlucky, idiot, posts are still up. Everyone can see what a dickhead you've been. I that's what Da Vinci would have wanted. Or something...
vitr1ol 4 years ago
You pathetic moron. I can critize any piece of art, and state my opinions. You should call someone else dickhead or idiot. Don't get me started.
Fman5555 4 years ago
I wasn't criticising you for constructive art criticism, I was criticising for acting like an idiot and chatting bullshit.
vitr1ol 4 years ago
that's sick. my compliments!
rrob0t 4 years ago
you have talent, that's for sure!
beeb1421 4 years ago
Bello.
Kzerphii 4 years ago
cool! great job. watch my videos too :)
jickersdalida 4 years ago
The music is energetic and stimulating. Is it Mozart? If so, the name of the piece?
vlyu 4 years ago
Thanks all of you for your + comments...Nop the music is not from Mozart, its from Tombraider soundtrack.
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
May I ask if the drawing is your work or a copy? Regardless, your presentation is entertaining and clever. Your selection of the audio meshes with well with the video and its images. Thanks for a nice job.
vlyu 4 years ago
Thanks for watching, well i made the picture in the video but of course the original one belongs to Leonardo Da Vinci :p
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
cool you draw very well
iwanttocheck 4 years ago
nice....
overkill5 4 years ago
Nice! Love the Picture. However, coming from a artist perspective, your picture is some what lacking in shape. As in, you drew the picture beautifully, BUT the overall affect lack the sturdiness of the bones and tissues under the skin. Keep on improving!
papalotte 4 years ago
Wow, the way you drew this picutre, your good as Leonardo! In this pic at least lol!
BeereeMe 4 years ago
wow! Great job!
singingguitarist 4 years ago
coooool
HelliLegend 4 years ago
damn impressive how some people can draw with photoshop!
looneysolidsnake 4 years ago
I like iot... so cool!
amberm1994 4 years ago
Very nice. :) I like the song too, allways brings Tomb Raider 2 in my mind. :)
sari268 4 years ago
Same here, reminds me of tomb raider 2, and yeah, brilliant :), what is it called?
alexioco 4 years ago
man, thats imposible
fascinant!
aldenheartless 4 years ago
oye qe programa usaste para hacer ese dibujo
alphadental 4 years ago
Adobe Photoshop y una Tablet
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
Gracias por tu comentario, te lo agradesco :)
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
fantastic ! I used to be a good designer and artists, but lost my games design job, and spent the last 5 years in a nervous breakdown not even touching a computer or piece of paper ! Now I can't do anything and don;'t have a clue how to use all these new programs for art and directing !
It would take me all week to do this drawing !
steffyweffy777 4 years ago
That's... amazing.
RushEloc 4 years ago
wow, you should do a tutorial!...so jealous people like me can learn hahaha
retta2587 4 years ago
ure works are from imagination or from reference ? The eyes are wrong in this painting..
RevoLverZzz 4 years ago
nope, all are from reference, obviously this one too. thanks for the advice!i try to do the best in a short period of time
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
I agree...
MattAlexan 4 years ago
cómo se llama la canción?
vacadefogo 4 years ago
Very nice work -- cool idea as well.
What do you use for the recording part of things?
ozwalled2007 4 years ago
Absolutely beautiful. I still need a lot of practice, but you're a real inspiration. :D
blindfolding 4 years ago
cómo me jode que no me va la genius.súperbvideo
wolfmen77 4 years ago
More people need to take a look at your work. I am still amazed at what people can do with a program such as Photoshop. Keep up the good work!
The1337Wookiee 4 years ago
thanks! i really apreciate your comment.
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
Tío, es impresionante que trabajes vendiendo perritos calientes, con el ARTE que tienes. En cierto modo, es bueno que hayas podido explorar tus habilidades: ¿eres autodidacta? En fin, espero que algún día puedas mostrar al mundo tu talento. Claro, Youtube es un primer paso ;-). Saludos.
kelfansblogspotcom 4 years ago
Gracias,asi es,el dibujo lo he aprendido desde pequeño y me e valido por mi mismo si a lo de autodidacta te refieres,bueno a excepcion de llevar clases de dibujo por 3 semestres en la carrera.
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
The grandmaster himself would be very happy with this I´m sure! Technology and art combined to pay tribute to the single greatest brain in both technology and art!
l1xz 4 years ago
This is one of youtube´s hidden jewels one find while browsing thru useless videos, 5 stars for u man. Hey eres MEXICANO! que chingon!
adolfobaez 4 years ago
Gracias Carnal! saludos!
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
great work! especially on the hair!!! wow
dolleee 4 years ago
thanks people, your comms make me feel happy
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
hey man, nice work. i definitely like the background you started with it works well with that piece.
revolutions34 4 years ago
thanks revolutions, im glad that you saw my vids because i admire your work.
jesusalbertobf 4 years ago
haha i see a lots of vids, including yours, i just don't comment a lot. :) still, awesome work.
revolutions34 4 years ago
Very nice, as much pieces as Leonardo did, his self portrait is one of my favorites.
kblavie 4 years ago
Congratulations!
dricovisk 4 years ago
No matter what you used, it is great!! you are very good at it!!!
alejandrocon2 4 years ago
omg so good!.. i cant even draw a proper stick figure. go me. D=
TheSarcasticOne 4 years ago
photoshopped.
paintballads 4 years ago
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belgiumhampster 4 years ago
What an idiot can put such a text here...
you better go "belgiumnhampster" and pray for more brain
MirellaAmazona 4 years ago
Who the heck are you? I can express whatever my thoughts and opinion on any art piece. When you post some sort of art form, and expect any sort of criticism.
Fman5555 4 years ago
Very,very good....rated awesome:-)
BBoyRico 5 years ago
first to comment ^_^ thats awesome, i use photoshop elements 2.0 do you use that in some of your drawings?
COGMarcusFenix 5 years ago
nope, just photoshop
jesusalbertobf 5 years ago
it is great work
BBoyRico 5 years ago
lol i sell hot-dogs on the street :p (seriously)
jesusalbertobf 5 years ago
Such a liar :O
You could sell these easily, or become like a street artist...thinking about finishing up this IT course and then hitting the books to try if i can become anywhere near as good as you. Played around for a month and went from having trouble with stickfigures to not having so much trouble with stickfigures :D
CivilNL 5 years ago
lol, im not a liar, really, its our family business, btw thanks for the comment. in fact im triying to learn more and more of digital paint, so maybe one day i start making a little expo.and who knows...jeje
jesusalbertobf 5 years ago
Very cool video, you could use your art also in storyboards or videogame concepts or in comics, I would be able half as you with my wacom tablet...i ve got to learn.... ;)
ddrmetal 4 years ago
Awesome drawings, keep em coming :)
What do you do for a living by the way?
CivilNL 5 years ago
amazing
spaded 5 years ago