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  • @altered13th and @titetrax: please take your silly discussion elsewhere

  • McCoy Tyner and Bill Evans - the two most influential jazz pianists ever. Absolutely amazing.. Thanks for posting this.

  • @ALTERED13TH No, Bud Powell is the most influential jazz pianist ever. Better ask somebody!! Ask McCoy. He'll tell you. Smh.

  • @TiteTrax It was a blanket statement about music. Such statements are simplistic representations of a complex world of arts, culture, politics, economics, etc. No doubt Bud was most influential in the bop era. Tyner and Evans are equally influential in the more modern era of jazz. Bop, as all artistic idioms do, became exhausted as a means of evolving the music. Evans was every bit as revolutionary as Powell. Whose to say Mozart wasn't the most influential pianist ever? What's the criteria?

  • @ALTERED13TH Bud Powell's contributions are melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic. Bill Evans' contributions are harmonic. Evans was "revolutionary" because he was white and accepted in a Black music style here in racist America. Revolutionary and influential are 2 different things. There are way more jazz pianists influenced by Bud Powell than Bill Evans. Many Black jazz pianists don't employ ANY theoretical or technical devices linked to Evans. ALL jazz pianists employ Powell's devices.

  • @TiteTrax Bill Evans's contributions are melodic, harmonic, compositional, and rhythmic. So are McCoy Tyner's. All great musicians employ all elements of music. Race is a cultural phenomena, not a genetic one, and one of the great things about art is that it transcends race, except for people who are either racist or obsessed with race. How many more pianists were influened by Powell than Evans? How do you know? To what technical and theoretical devices do you refer?

  • @ALTERED13TH Bill Evans did not contribute any melodic or rhythmic innovations. Race is NOT a cultural phenomena, it's genetic. That's why Blacks excel in sports. Genetics. AND, it's the ONLY reason Blacks were allowed to play sports in America. Art DOES transcend race. ALL jazz pianists exhibit Powell's innovations(Use of shell chords in the left hand while playing the other chord tones in the right hand, sophisticated rhythmic development, etc.) Many do NOT use Evans' innovations.

  • @TiteTrax There have been no genes found that determine race. A geneticist can't tell with any degree of certainty by examining a particular human genome what the race of the individual is. Race is far more an artificial human construct than a biological one. Bill Evans contributed melodic and rhythmic innovations as did many, many other pianists, including Bud Powell. Evans actually employed many more complex polyrhythms than did Powell. Have you ever transcribed the work of either?

  • @ALTERED13TH So you just realized that humans don't know everything about the human body, mind, or spirit. Race is most assuredly biological by definition. Evans didn't innovate ANYTHING melodically or rhythmically. Evans had the luxury of coming AFTER Powell so he used Powell's and others' innovations concerning rhythm. Again, employing and innovating are two different things. Yes I have transcribed MANY of both and MANY others. I give credit where it is due and not where it isn't.

  • @TiteTrax Biology and genetics are not always the same thing. There are elements of human biology related to race that are in fact genetic. Sickle cell anemia being a genetic adaptation that helped ensure survival of malaria, skin pigmentation being another. Race itself is not genetic. It's a cultural construct, not a genetic one. Genetic research is demonstrating that it is a cultural concept. That's the beauty of science. It shatters silly human myths, many of which are religious.

  • @TiteTrax You are very dogmatic, which is hallmark of rigid certainty. Provide the evidence that Evans did not innovate. He was a brilliant pianist and technically probably a better pianist than Powell, although both were profoundly excellent. Evans used more complex harmony, in his compositions having studied Shoenberg's Theory of Harmony and his use of more full left hand block chords was an innovation. Powell and other painists of the bop era tended to use "shell chords" as you call them.

  • @ALTERED13TH You're a dreamer. I see you think I feel I need to prove something to you. Science, as viewed by Westerners(caucasians), is very inconclusive because of its narrow-minded approach and lack of holistic assimilation. You need to read about science from the people who FIRST introduced it. The Africans. You'll then understand that genetics is a sub-category of biology. You're an example of what happens when you steal something you don't understand. RACE is genetic!

  • @ALTERED13TH You WISHING Evans was a better pianist than Powell doesn't make it so. I already said that Evans innovated from a harmonic standpoint. ALL jazz pianists use shell chords. Anytime you play the root and the 3rd and the 7th in the left hand and fill in the other chord tones with the left, you're playing shell chords. I'm done here. You, like many of your kind, just like to hear yourself talk. Go study music and science from those that FIRST discovered them.

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  • It's, Not Nice too Fool w/ Motha Nature ,or Beyond ?

  • I bet the people who heard this live found it to be a life altering event...and here we are 30 years later saying the mic or balance sucked. Sorry these guys weren't polite enough for some people!

    we're lucky to have these genius guys putting their all into this!

  • One of the greatest group of jazz musicians assembled in the 20th century

  • Because McCoy was a hog always trying to prove he could play as fast as horn players....not!

  • Well, all I can say is that kind of music is a sure sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

  • What year was this performance from? Somewhere in the 1980's?

  • I've heard McCoy many times, including the days with 'Trane....you're right, this may be as good as he's ever played...or as fiery any piano player has ever been. It's sustained over many minutes too...whew!

    Poor Freddie had a tough act to follow!

  • Unstoppable....damn!!!!!

  • Ron Carter parece um foguete insano

  • McCoy Tyner - GOD!

  • ......oh by the way, those 2 individuals are PEDALTONES to the fact. 1 Love.

    Jazz Loves Us All.

  • All Players here are EXISTENTIAL Jazz Masters, Official, Put a stamp on it. My thumbs are in the Stratosphere w/ MF,JF,FH,AS,JM,DG,CA,BC, just to name a few.

  • frickin amazing work all the way around!

  • McCoy kind of looks like E.T. IMO.

  • I fell in love with Tyner's playing on Equinox asnd My favorite things with the 'Trane quartet..He's amazing..

  • Absolutely brilliant! McCoy Tyner is just supreme!

  • A Ferrari Enzo runs on 98 octance and flies

    McCoy runs on God - and flies.

  • block chords and something else...the bass is walking

  • cold mycoy cold

  • I love what I call "full,fat" Mc'Coy chords.It seems like he's playing the rhythm part of it for a classical piece but solo is just an amazing link to hold it all together.Elvin Jones,and Tyner have a connection that usually bass players have with a drummer...Enes

  • How is it possible for a human being to be that great!

  • Thank you, thank you!

  • I can listen the wave of soul! Mccoy's piano solo play is cool and great.

  • what is the year of the performing?

  • MCCOY ROLLS OVER THOSE KEYS LIKE TRAIN TRACKS

  • McCoy, Carter, and Jones are the only people in the world that can play this hard and make if feel so good. That rhythm section is destroying planets! They play so hard and intense! I can never get enough of McCoy, does anyone else even compare?

  • 9:09 ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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  • The best rhythm section I 've ever heard. Period. End of Conversation. Nothing follows......

  • Holy crap what a line up. You can just hear the synergy, it's killer, McCoy and Elvin and Carter a rhythm section like no freakin other. Freddie is unreal I love the rhythm of his playing again a perfect match.

  • Thank you, thank you, thank you!!

    Please more, more, more!!!

    If you have more material like this please upload it!!

  • listen to mc Coy.

  • Superb, Jazzster. thank you very much for this up.

  • Miles Davis was just so wrong to dismiss Tyner's abilities as a pianist. What he meant was that he didn't like his playing, not that he couldn't play. Two very different things.

  • McCoy was 18 when he played in Coltrane's quartet; where does a guy go from there?

  • wow!

  • search: Amorphic drum ...( 1st video result ).

    what technique is this??

  • McCoy is my favorite pianist! He is beyond SICK!!!!! (that's great BTY)

  • Amazing McCoy Tyner solo! This jazz history book I'm reading doesn't even rate McCoy as important to jazz as Herbie Hancock, Keith Jarrett, or Chick Corea. I mean, Chick is a master, but how is he more important than McCoy if McCoy was the one that inspired Chick with his playing and his innovations of chord voicing?

  • this is interesting... i read an interview with ron carter that he never played live with elvin

  • @epasurr

    Yeah! You can find that interview (or an interview where he says the same thing) on Ethan Iverson's blog (search: Do The Math, ron carter interview)

  • This is some of the best jazz ever heard right here, PURE magic. WOWWWWWWWW.

  • I can't find a video of Freddie playing this tune, can anyone help?

  • @CaptainAmerica7770

     youtube.com/watch?v=gnD29OBZeg­M

  • uff!

  • i just had a jazzgasm

  • My head is going to explode.

  • does it sound to any one else like ron and elvin were out of sync in the first chorus of the head? think maybe ron was feeling freds 2 n 4 like quarters or something...

  • What can I say..what a killer band!

  • what a line-up...

  • @nadirsharav That's what I said!!! This is truly awesome!

  • damn.

  • You are a saint for posting this.

  • Beautiful-- thanks for posting. Knocked me out!

  • Sweet music.....

  • Ah, it's just a bunch of pentatonics...

    kidding, kidding, kidding

  • Holy crap, this is out of control!

    McCoy and Elvin are a match made in heaven.

  • When was this performed?

  • stunning

  • Taking my breath away... Thank you so much for posting!

  • If I were a tremendous musician Like Freddie I'd still hate to follow that McCoy Tyner solo... Jeeesusss!

  • If Richard Davis & Joe Henderson were there the whole room would have taken off into space!!

  • @jibsmokestack1 Or Wayne Shorter!! I love Shorter and Henderson. They're almost up there with Coltrane in my book.

  • Oh my god. Tyner goes into orbit here!!

  • the best Tyner solo I know

  • Это классная вещь!!!!

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  • You'd think that once Freddie Hubbard made it clear that his tune was dedicated to Charlie Parker, "Bird", it would end the speculation by some that it was dedicated to Donald Byrd and should be spelled "Byrdlike".

    McCoy has a great solo - but why in the world does he have to continue pounding during Freddie's solo? In the few moments when he lays out, it gives Freddie some breathing room and he flies.

  • It was named for Donald - he's said it many times and that's how it's spelled on the record. He's goofing here as you can hear him pause before he says it was Parker.

  • Freddie Hubbard said this was dedicated to Bird.

    He wouldn't joke about anything as meaningful to him as the music of Charlie Parker.

  • The first recording of this tune, "Birdlike", is on the album, "Ready for Freddie". It is on BlueNote and it is spelled, "Birdlike".

  • yeah, I give. Maybe I imagined it........oh well.

  • Jazzanswer - imhop McCoy's comping does nothing but propel Freddie throughout his solo. Take 6:54-7:16 for example.

  • @jazzster123

    That's just the way he plays!! He just needed to be brought down in the mix!!

  • @jazzster123

    this jam is hot!! also this guy might want to take into account how recording was done back in the day. Mic placement alone is a biatch when you got one clean shot at it when it comes to live gigs like this. With recording the sound doesn't only end with your instrument but through the signal chain and out the speakers. McCoy's comping is phenomenal. rock n roll

  • @Jazzanswer of course it's to Charlie Parker. all you have to do is listen one time to the melody to see he ain't fucking around. Cuz Bird don't play that shit either, he gone with it. Great tune Freddie.

  • @Jazzanswer

    Ok ok...I know you put this comment up a year ago, and I truly hope youve "grown." But damn this vibe that McCoy is laying down is THE vibe. it's deep and its complex and striking such a serious groove. McCoy is pounding? You damn right, and its the shit! this is some great music!!!!

  • Dang, I was to hear the rest!

  • HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • thanks so much for posting!

  • woah! I'm suprised mccoy's piano didn't just drop off its legs after that!

  • haha. me too

    that was some powerful stuff

  • i hear some piano manufacturers have made versions with reinforced legs and other components, for withstanding massive force. named the Tyner edition.

  • seems like a good idea for mccoy. i think he needs one of those

  • Taking my breath away.. Thank you for posting it!!

  • Great Tyner Solo, but he is totally in the way of Freddie's solo...I can't belive did such a good solo without all that going on. If it were Miles, he would have probably thrown his trumpet at the pianist. ;-)

  • eh, im sure mccoy has more sense than playing over miles. he isnt too much in this recording, freddie can handle it.

  • Powerful! 10*

  • Why is it sometimes written Byrdlike? I keep thinking it was a flashback to donald byrd

  • is this BIG or what?... hahaha... ^_^

  • no words to describe

  • escuchen el bajo de ron carter apurando muy bien el ritmo.

  • I would not be surprised if McCoy Tyner's piano caught on fire. This is one explosive Jazz solo...

  • wow. . one of the best freddie solos i've ever heard.

  • Lord Jesus...

  • Good Lord! How intimidating if one is not at their level. This is freaking scary!

  • Holy Crap !!!!!!!

  • DAAAAAAAAAAAMM ! Thatz some heavy duty

    work there. No wonder I Don't bother with the Newer Jazz now a dayz.

  • I hear that! So much great music was created in the 60's I'd need another 2 lifetimes to listen to it all and then 3 more to get tired of it. Then when you add everything that those guys put out in the 70's and 80's it doesn't leave much room for listening to the what is being done now, especially when so much of it is derivative and pale copies of all the original stuff. They broke the mold when they created these 4 giants and ain't nobody going to match them.

  • Is McCoy human ??? Einstein has no chance.

  • Most likely this is early 80s. I heard Hub many times in this period and this was when his technical facility was extraordinary ( and , within his genre, unmatched by anyone ever , imo ). It's not just playing super high, it's playing a blistering hard-bop style with fast, loud, long lines all over the horn, nailing all sorts of intervals in tune, lots of different attacks, with a great deal of expressiveness. Amazing stuff.

  • All that baltostar1, right on

  • No shit!!! Ever hear "Atlantis? (early 70's)The guy is soo good its scarey! Still is....

  • McCoy is one part human, one part extraterrestrial, one part spirit, one part unidentified...

  • @EricScottReed one part piano :)

  • @EricScottReed Thats funny....lol

  • @baltostar1 right on

  • Superb! Master musicians in this group.

    But McCoy's solo would have Einsten looking for an equation.

  • THIS IS WHY GOD CREATED MUSIC.WOW.

  • SO Amazing!

  • damn McCoy! I know he's intense but this just blew my mind about 10 times

  • Yo Friday didn't butt in on McCoy ... Tyner went into a sort of dissonant vamp and that was Hub's segue in ... cats at this level don't uck fup on shit like that ... at least not this time ...

    Anyone know the date ? Must be 80s or very early 90s 'cause Hub's chops are right on ... 2x c like taking a breath ...

  • Oh Lord above - does this band ever swing their collective asses off. McCoy is absolutely on fire and everyone on that bandstand was having a helluva time. Thanks for posting!

  • i met Freddie in Boulder CO. He was on one side of the street and I on the other. He goes HEY MAN! WHERE CAN I FIND SOME CURRY!??" whereupon I stopped and looked at him, turned my pockets inside out , shrugged my shoulders and kept walking. Yeah he laughed

  • Hell yes, one of the best Mccoy solo's I've ever heard; and that's saying alot for him. Thanks a bunch.

  • McCoy Tyner is airing it out! All time fav. Tyner's left hand is unreal.

  • Videolover61 is correct. After McCoy's solo that song has one more asshole.....eh heh. Really great to hear such skilled players.

  • Freddie, now is Bird-like, high-flyin, skydiving! A new trumpet in heaven!

    Love and Music,

    Diva JC

  • R I P Freddie 12/29/2008

  • wow. pure power.

  • McCoy ripped that song a new A**hole!!!! Damn!! That's supersonic!!!! Otherworldly...

  • The Real McCoy...Goddam infckingcredible...that is the shit fo real!!!

  • Thank you for posting

  • wow, McCoy Tyner...what a powerhouse. He always takes music where it's never been, and back again. I don't like how Freddie interrupted him, but honest mistake I guess.

  • ahhhhhhhhhhhhg this guy (tyner) was just in seattle but i was on a band trip. ahhhhhhhhg

  • Can anyone identify what year this is from?

  • Wonderful. Heard McCoy at Yoshi's Oakland last Saturday- he is still amazing. check him out if you get a chance. 70 years old this week but hearing and playing it as clear as ever. Rich Scheinen's review at San Jose Mercury News was excellent (as are all his jazz writings). SC Jazz fan

  • I saw Mc Coy Trio in the 90s. Hey what can you say he hung with Trane.

  • Oh yeah Cant forget Ron F'in Carter

  • Why does Hubbard butt in to Tyner's solo before it can really climax? Anyone?

  • @iltromboncini32 Doesn't butt in...MycCoy is playing that phrase to it's logical completion...it's clear to me that he didn't want to bring down the energy of the song so Freddie is most likely queued to come in...and he came in right after the end of that phrase series...The Note he used to enter was what gave it that cutting feeling since he's purposely using dissonance to differentiate himself from the continuing vibe of Tyner the Great...otherwise he'd just blend right in...

  • mccoy my god, speechless.

  • This McCoy grabed my heart and took it out .

  • Have mercy!! Scramble dem eggs!!

  • Hell Yeahhh!!! The real McCoy!

  • Mcoy Tyner

  • I love listening to elvin and mccoy.

    They transcend their instruments, as a tool of human expression.

    And with freddie hubbard it add a whole different layer

    not even mentioning ron cartet yet.

    Yes sir.

  • the best vid on youTube

  • whew, say amen somebody

  • ECSTATIC..!!!

  • Fasinating. McCoy is coming to Taiwan, where I live, in September. Just can't wait!

  • What part of Taiwan are you in? I'm a sax player from New York and I've been in Taipei for the past 4 weeks looking for places to play.

  • i live in taipei. don't you know blue note, the wall, the comedy club, etc...? bunch of places offer jazz performance here. i'm sure they would like to invite a NY player. good luck!

  • This is the best thing ever.

  • LORD HAVE MERCY!!! WONDERFUL!!!

  • what year is this recording?

  • these guys made jazz what it is today. enough with the comments, just shut up and listen. no one has a right to say anything negative about any of these players.

  • nice post! good lookin out

  • Had Tyner's Sahara album in years past.

    Thanks for posting this!

  • Freddie Hubbard says it:

    It's dedicated to Charlie Parker.

    The correct title is "Birdlike".

  • I have changed the spelling in the description, as far as I can tell when originally released in 1961 it was spelled as 'Birdlike' rather than 'Byrdlike'. But I have seen it spelled both ways and some claim it was a tribute to Donald Byrd, but here we can take Freddie's word for it.

  • i'm scared

  • Freddie plays the blues, while throwing in a lot of modal, triadic, and different subs.

  • wow

  • When was this?

  • byrdlike yeah, sorry, i didnt pay attention to the beggining of the video.....

  • sorry my ignorance, (kinda new in jazz world) but what song is this?

  • Mccoy is beyond rediculous

  • incredibble.

  • That solo is unbeleivable in its intensity and ideas. Whew! What perplexes me though is that dosen't sound like Elvin. He is not following McCoy with the polyrythmns with which he has become associated. He seems to be mostly keeping time. Is that really Elvin?

    Either way, thanks for the clip!

  • Yes that is really Elvin. I was hoping to post the second part which includes his solo but I am having problems with the file...sorry.

  • Well, I am a drummer, and at this tempo, there is not much more you should do than keep time. And this defenitely is Elvin. listening to the timing. He is only searching in the beginning for the tempo.

  • ever here vsop do this song with tony. u should and he def doesnt just keep time

  • Err, sorry, I mean, listen to his timing.

  • Holy smokes - Tyner is the MAN.

  • Thank you jazzster. Great to have this!