@SuperDrunkkiller thanks, maybe someday when I get another Mosin I will. was pretty simple though. just used crud cutter, hot water, and a scotch brite to remove the finish. I then applied minwax pre stain, stain, and 6 coats of polyurathane. I polished with steel wool inbetween the coats.
There is a kit they sell at my work (Big 5) and it comes with the rail mount, scope, scope rings, and a sling for 60 bucks. is it a good buy or? also, i dont have the M91/30, i have the M44
Everyone tries this when they first pick up a Mosin. For those of you who try this you will be disappointed. The Mosin kick is so strong that you really can't use dovetails for this rifle. Your scope will move all over. If you try to glue it, loctite it, etc. the rifle gets so hot when you start to fire some rounds through it that it will just melt. Although you can get them for the the price of a toy, these are REAL battle rifles that will punch a hole through all but the toughest ceramic armor
@happydelicious if you use some good steel rings and add a recoil pin through the stock site pin hole the scope should stay in place. I however gave up with this and spent the extra money to install a real nice PE scope kit from accumounts. so far its dead on out to 750 yards with surplus ammo. agreed though, tons of recoil and stopping power. this rifle will leave your shoulder bruised and purple after only 20 rounds.
I use the brass stackers mount on the mosins that i do put mounts on and thay dont move any at all.For a hunter just starting out a mosin with a red dot works nice.
So what is THE BEST scope setup to have for this rifle? I just bought a nice 1938 M-N and want to put some optics on it without breaking my wallet but none of that cheap, unreliable crap..any suggestions?
@blake0827 you wont get good, relaible, and cheap in the same package. if you want something that matches the original scope then get a PU or PE scope from accumounts(dot)com. I bought a PE kit for mine for $400 something and did th egun smithing by myself. I have some other videos of this on my page. I just got done shooting it at 700 yards today.
@EZRIDER327 haha, man, you are quite hilarious. I see people like you all the time shooting at my local spot with $3K plus modded out remi 700s shooting at only 50 yards. true story. now thats what I call funny. you waste your money on what you want to waste it on and ill enjoy spending my hard earned money on something actually challenging to shoot. thanks for the funny comment, really made me laugh.
@MavHunter20XX first you have to remove the 2 pins my punching them out. then you have to remove the set screw at the top/back of the site. you can only gain access to this screw if you lift up on the site. use a punch and a hammer to slide the site forward off the site rails. you might need to use some force or use some heat (propane torch) to help break it loose.
@MavHunter20XX weird. I dont remember mine being too hard to punch out but they definitely werent easy. did you try punching them out in the opposite direction?
we had 2 mosins that we had to use a torch to heat up the original mount to get it to slide out because it was soldered to the barrel. This was done after removing the sight & then punching out the pins as he described.
@AustinLuthi I have one of those now (a PE scope and mount). I initially didnt get one of these, much like other people dont, because theyre very expensive. mount I originally bought was an over priced piece of crap aluminum mount which many horrible companies sell online to unsuspecting customers. they dont fit well and wil lnot hold zero. check out video #2 because I talk about some of the problems I had with this mount and talk about how to fix it.
@T1meW4st3d yes, it was very easy for me but I have heard from several other people theres was real hard and in one case they had to take it to a gun smith. I personally think they were trying hard enough.
@Mayes041 removed the old finish with crud cutter and scotch brite pad. pre stained it, stained it (2 coats), 6 coats of polyurathane and I polished it in between coats with extra fine steel wool. all products were by minwax.
haha, i did the same thing to mine a few years back and posted it on a mosin forum. problem i had was my rings were too weak to hold to the rail. every shot would make the rings slide forward on the rail. maybe ill look into some better rings and try again.
@ericzanutto i did try this again after i posed. i took a dremil to the base of my rings and cut a groove into them. with that groove i could reinsert the pins from the rear sight. i went out shooting for a few hours and it is holding up just fine so far.
@SBwingman depends on which metal is affected more by temperature. since the barrel is thicker and has more surface area than the site it wont soak up as much heat as the site. therefore, the site should expand more than the barrel. we do use cold shrink fit for bushinngs at work. we do that with nitrogen though. you couldnt fit your barrel and receiver in a normal size freezer either.
@falloutforever88 its a long eye relief scope so its fine. these scout scope mount setups are definitely not as nice as your normal PE, PU, PEM...but they are the cheapest. you get what you pay for.
@samsplacci yes, its a hex receiver with a laminated stock that I frefinished. I got real lucky when I found this one. I went in to pick up a round receiver i put on DROS and when i went in to the store they had a hex. they let me trade the round for the hex...same price too!
@TheAk47Enthusiast maybe if you would have actually taken one second to read the title of this video you would have realized it states "proper way to mount a SCOUT scope, " not proper way to mount a scope. not everyone wants to permanently attach a scope to their mosin, nor can everyone afford a PE or a PU and a bent bolt. I personally own a PE i converted myself. its very very beautiful but it was not cheap or easy to build. its also not for everyone.
@BASSPLAYAAA Its the laminated stock that came with the gun. It looked pretty old but I dont know if its really the original stock...most likely not since this is an ex-dragoon rifle. i refinished the stock and coated it with 6 coats of polyurathane. polished with steel wool between each coat.
I just put the same setup on my 91/30 and I could not zero it in. :( I went through 40 rounds at 50 yards. Any ideas of what I could do to make it hold zero? I tightened the rings, they don't seem to move. Could the ammo influence the accuracy at this distance? I have to use SP ammo at the range. :(
@vdub4utube it wont hold zero or you cant get it to zero? if it wont hold zero maybe try a better set of scop rings and add a recoil pin like I describe in video #2. if you cant get it to zero theres a chance your rear site is canted at an angle. this is a common problem with the mosins, especially when they have been rearsenaled and taken apart, sometimes the barrel wont line up correctly with the reciver. have you tried bore sighting it or laser bore sighting it?
@ericzanutto Actually, I can't zero it in. I tried to aim to the same spot on and fire a few shots. I was expecting the shots to be off, but within a reasonable group. The first three shots were all over the target, and as I kept shooting it just got worse. The mounts are tight, the two screws that hold the assembly into the stock are tight as well. I took off the original rear sight and used the dovetail mounts to mount the scope to the rifle. There should be no movement at all.
@vdub4utube youre sure the scope rings arent moving forward on the gun? it almost sounds like you might have a bad scope. thats one bad thing about these cheaper scopes, the reticles can sometimes break or come loose. id try to return it if I were you. dont tell them you had it mounted on a mosin though. they might just say its too much recoil for their scope. theres a $60 one on tickbitesupply thats supposed to be for a mosin. thats what I had for awhile.
@ericzanutto It's not stupid! :) I checked the bolt, and it is steady, without any movement at all. I'll try to make it out to the range tomorrow and give it another try. I have the AIM scope. I tried it with a Red Dot before, but that was mounted to the rear sight not to the dove tail like this scope. The red dot had the same issue on the Mosin, but it works perfectly on my wires Ruger 22/45.
@vdub4utube im shooting surplus ammo out to 550 yards and it shoots dead on for me. you shouldnt be having issues with ammo at 50 yards unless its really really crappy. are you sure youre bore is clean?
@mrantihippie the point of this video is to show how to mount a scout...because its cheap, and not everyone can afford a $500 PU. I have converted this rifle to a PE (by myself) using an accumounts PE kit. The PE is better than the PU and my PE is probably one of the cleanest Mosins around if youre looking for something "pretty." I have videos on this PE also.
@ericzanutto I agree! Not everyone can afford a $500 PU rifle I'm working on my $90.00 mosin nagant 91/30 rifle as we speak getting her ready for hunting season this year. I found your video very very helpful Thank you!
@longriflesniper glad you found it helpful. make sure you add a recoil pin to one of the scope rings. I found out later its necessary to have. I talk a little bit more about that in "video #2." happy hunting!
I'm confused. In another one of your videos you show a setup you purchased from Accumountsdotcom that comes with a hex or a round receiver mount. In this video you recommend the 3/8 dovetail scope rings. Which one is better? I'm interested in mounting a scope on my nagant.
@wagslick this video, as it states, just shows how to mount a scout scope. a lot of people buying a musin dont want to permanently add a scope to it, "defacing" the weapon, and.or dont want to spend a bunch of money on a nice scope like the PE. the PE is far superior to the scout mount and the price also reflects that. I personally like the PE/PU because its an original scope and looks very nice. also performs very well. my gun is a real accurate piece of machinery out to 550 yards.
it would probably be better to get med rings that scopes kind of high if its too high you have to lift your head up to see and another thing is during recoil it being to high it might torque the dovetail off
@PADSCALE why is that? Are they just total gun nazis in canada about gun laws or are things just more expensive? Could you buy one from JG sales and have it imported to an FFL? They're only about $120 online.
@Grayling78 probably just depends on how off your rear site is. a lot of these mosins have been rebuilt and sometimes the rear site mount gets canted and causes problems like this. mine was pretty far off also but i was still able to adjust it to where it should be. im currently sighted in at 450 yards.
I tried this. The rear sight on my Hungarian (02) 1953 M44 is not mounted on a rail but is on a cylindrical sleeve that is pressed on to the barrel the soldered and held in place with pins. Just a warning - if someone wants to do this, don't do it on a '53 Hungarian M44.
@beefcassarole96 the scout is sturdy only if you pin it somehow...like i mentioned in the video#2, there are a few ways to do that, the recoil will make the scout move a bit. the PE setup on the other hand is very very sturdy and doesnt move at all. its also expensive though.
@BoggleDongMongerFlog ya, im sure thats what the russians were worried about as they were getting shot at by the germans. didnt buy it for looks, i bought it because its a tried and true rifle that is a real piece of history.
@ericzanutto Well the Russians (capital letter) didn't have eye relief scopes that made their guns look so ugly while they were shooting the Germans (capital letter). I love the rifle... the scope is a POS. Its like taking the Mona Lisa and painting some more flowers on it.
@BoggleDongMongerFlog the whole point of this video is to show a cheap way to mount a scope mount...not make it pretty. if you wanna see a real nice looking PE scope that i mounted myself to this same 91/30, and spent a good amount of time working on, then look at my PE video. have you used one of these scopes before? worked fine for me. was cheap but wasnt a POS for the time i spent with it. im not saying its the best but its way cheaper than the $300 i spent on the PE setup.
I followed this same process and have those exact rings. It is a very clean and solid setup now. I am glad I didn't waste time with the sight-mounted weaver rail conversion process.
Is exactly what I have done, even before viewing your video. Did take me a minute to de-solder the silver solder from rear sight. Have the high mounts..got from net, being they have the two screws for each ring, they hold tight, better than a single screw! Scope I have is an LER (long eye relief)..is good, but need catarac removed from r eye and will bring scope back over receiver, meaning an extended mount. Also redid my stock..love this weapon for the price!!
@Shot79iron ya, i know others have had more success with this. unfortunately for me I quickly switched over to a PE scope setup so i dont have much knowledge on the other rings that work better. you didnt have to install a recoil pin? the friction was enough?
@mikethenascarfan thankyou, I had a pretty good stock on the rifle to begin with. I stripped it all down, prestained it, stained it, applied 6 coats of minwax polyurathane while sanding with steel wool in between coats.
Dude... Awesome vid...!! Can you tell me where you bought your scope and accessories to put that on your riffle. I just purchased a Mosin Nagant and want to do the same thing with mine. That is SA-WHEAT!!!
@MrKZizzle cool, glad you like the video. If you check out the video description, and video #2, I give pretty much all the details of where I got everything for this rifle. Let us all know how it shoots once you get it out to the range, they're awesome rifles.
You only do this if you want any possible way to cheaply put a scope on it but you don't realize: 1) there are no recoil lugs on the dovetail rail. 2) All scopes will always have a percent of error because of parallax, even if you adjust the knob for it because they are optics with zoom they will always require to be shot looking down the scope from the exact same position for it not to effect you hence the cheek rest and slow steady aiming. Just become close with Iron sights or red dots.
@TheShadoKnite dude, that was the whole point, to show the cheapest way to mount a scope on the 9130. If you check out video #2 I give some ways to solve the recoil problem. Many other people on youtube have successfully done this too. I'm running a PE scope(4x zoom only, german reticle) right now and can hit a shoe box size steel target over and over at 450 yards. This rifles very accurate with a scope.
@ericzanutto A Shoebox size target? 450 Yards? That's nothing to brag about you should be able to do that with any scope worth it's weight, still I dislike magnification on my rifles, with Modern I say get a cheap but sturdy Reflex sight and mod it to accept an external power source which you attach to a rail on the rifle or drill into the stock and such. Or you could just buy flip up iron sights. On WW2 rifles (WW2 is the oldest I see worth buying for use as a firearm) just use them.
@TheShadoKnite 450 yards with the 4x 3 post german reticle scope and the shoebox size steel target barely looks like a spec at the tip of the vertical post...pretty good for an almost 100 year beat up rifle and an old technology scope. and by hitting it over and over, im saying that the accuracy of this rifle doesnt change much with heat cycles nor does the PE get affected by recoil. im just trying to say for something so old it shoots pretty well. i wanted to build this as a scoped rifle.
@TheShadoKnite all im getting at is that this video is clearly stated, "how to mount a scope," if you dont like scopes then thats cool, but some people do like scopes and they want to know how to cheaply mount one on their Mosin. i wanted a long range capable mosin (still working at getting better) and for me that meant i wanted to mount a scope. my mauser on the other hand doesnt need a scope because it has very very nice iron sites and i dont plan to shoot it past 550 yards.
@ericzanutto Have you seen A youtuber by the name of Mag30th? I don't actually like his stuff but he has a video 1000 yards hitting a target iron sights only. How much money exactly have you spent on your mosin and it's scopes then?
@TheShadoKnite I've seen someone on youtube shoot a 3.5x PU at 1k yds but not with iron sites. Even then, he hit the target about 2/5 times. I understand you don't like scopes on a rifle like this, I do however and so do many others. I never claimed to be a pro shooter and I was just trying to post up a helpful video. I spent my money on a scope and I'm fine with that. This thing shoots great and my bill was under $400 for everything. Much more affordable for me and was lots of fun to build
@ericzanutto you would rather this than turning down the bolt and drilling and just putting the normal mount on?I'm sure you can drill into the high wall maybe even add a shotgun scope mount with some trimming. at least you paid only 400- D cuz I can get a new Remington 770 for 450 and sell the scope that comes on it (you already knew I would) and the total cost ends up being 380 or less.
@TheShadoKnite sorry I didn't clarify, $400 is for the PE sniper I built ( see my other videos). This scount mount with gun cost about $200. I keep on telling you over and over, I wanted to build a scoped Mosin, that's what this video is all about a mosin with a scope. If I wanted something else then I would have bought it. And going back to your original comments, if scopes were so unimportant, the russians wouldn't have built the PU sniper and given it to vasily zaytsev and others.
@TheShadoKnite if you really think red dots are so nice on a mosin then make a video of it for everyone to see and talk about how much you hate scoped mosins while you're at it to. That's cool, because that's what you want. Just get it through your head that this is what I wanted to build and it doesn't get any more simple than that. Seems like your only point here is to show that I made a bad purchase...when I keep on repeating, this is what I wanted, so give it a rest already.
@TheShadoKnite and while were at it, a remi 770 would cost you more than $380 because knowing you, you'd go mount a red dot on it to be all tactical. ;)
@ericzanutto haha Oh yeah but still only like 25 D if you go to opticplanet's site. You can get scopes there for cheap as well and some other things if you like. I mean it's not that I hate scopes, I'd love one with a x1 zoom which defeats the purpose of a scope but I do prefer a thin duplex crosshair, a mil dot, or really any other fine scope reticle over an aperture/notch and a post.
@mikethenascarfan sanded it down to bare wood with a scotch brite pad, used minwax prestain, minwax stain, and then minwax polyurathane (6 coats, sanded with fine steel wool in between coats). I also removed cosmolean from the wood with krud cutter and a bristle brush and hot water. Helps remove wood staining.
@xSpYderMaNx my pins came out pretty easily with a small punch and a hammer. the site itself took a little bit more work. you might try heating it up a little bit with a torch, lighter, or a hair dryer and see if that helps. you could also soak it for awhile with PB Blaster or WD40. dont be afraid, just hit it hard!
@xxtruckin93xx Do you know if yours was Re Arsenaled? If it was it would have the two pins if it wasnt that could be the reason yours does not. I read somewhere that the original rear sights did not have the pins that they do now after being arsenaled
@LDXaborg regarding my own personal rifle...I dont know the full history but I do know mine is an ex-dragoon. so at some point in time it was reworked. most of the 91/30s ive seen have the set screw and the 2 pins in the rear site...im no expert though. you think his might be all original then? good info.
@ericzanutto Im no expert either by any means I own two that both have the two set screws but I read somewhere that some dont depending on if they were re arsenaled at some point or not but if his wasnt then thats pretty cool and a little more rare
@Sparks343 yes, it works, but i only shot mine with this setup out at 100/200 yards. im currently using the accumounts PE scope setup which i can shoot a shoe box size steel plate out at 450/550 yards over and over again with no problems. i will tell you that you get what you pay for. a $60 scope is not going to perform like a $300+ scope on a rifle with this much recoil. see my othe rvideos if you want more info on the PE.
dude, it is way easier to use a jmeck scope mount!!!! and you can use your iron sights. Just be sure you buy a bent bolt. Just look around for a bent bolt or have your straight bolt bent by a smith.
@jim22018 this is way cheaper than the jmeck mount...that's the whole point behind it. If you pin it in place it won't move. There's really not much to removing your rear site also, its a pretty simple task. You still have to take your rifle apart for the jmeck mount and get a bent bolt which from experience costs $60. I'm currently running a PE setup which I gunsmithed myself. I had my bolt bent by max shephard on ebay.
@youinstube ya, I know, mine moved a little bit. I talk about how to fix it in my video #2. Even my PE scope moved a little bit at first too. This gun just has a lot of recoil.
@ironmonkeyz thank you, i refinished it. it was in pretty good shape to begin with though. if you look at my Mauser video youll see i did the same amount of work but that ones not as nice. i cleaned the wood with crud cutter, scrubbed it down with hot water and a brush, sanded off all the old finish with a scotch brite pad. then i used minwax wood conditioner, stain, and 6 coats of polyurathane to finish it.
@ericzanutto Looks great maybe I'll have to do that to mine. Is there much technical work involved with putting on a PE Scope setup? I was thinking about getting a scout mount that affixes to the rear sight but now I saw your video and I guess I won't throw $80 away.
@ironmonkeyz again, thanks, i love this thing. its a long story for the PE...so here we go. i installed it myself and i consider myself to have fairly decent mechanical ability but im no pro machinest or anything like that. drilling the holes was done with a drill press and a drill stop gage. i clamped the mount on the gun and used it to match drill the holes. tapping the holes was a different story. you need to get a bottom tap, not the tapered tap they sell on accumounts. continued...
@ironmonkeyz you need the bottom tap since you need to tap to the bottom of a hole and youre not going all the way through the receiver. even with my hex receiver the metal was of poor quality and was not easy to tap. id give it one more try but after that id go to a gun smith or machinest for sure. i ended up tak welding the mount in place and jb welding the fastener heads in place...you cant even tell its welded in place and its rock solid.
@biglj822009 ive been able to hit a steel target the size of a large shoebox out at 450 yards. i could probably hit further but thats the furthest target at the place i usually shoot.
I pretty much have the same setup, except I used the AccuShot medium profile rings with the set screw. The only modification i had to do was to drill a small, shallow hole on the dovetail rail for the set screw to go into. really easy; *anybody* can do it - just be sure not to drill too deep (stay above the holes for the rear sight pins and you should be fine). As for the scope, I used the ncstar 2-7, but the recoil knocked the objective's O ring out -- at least my replacement is on its way :|
@soapy05 i pretty much had those same problems too but i never used the scope long enough to have it break under recoil. in my video #2 response to this one i talk a little bit about the idea of drilling a whole and pinning it just like you mentioned you did. good to hear the pinning worked out, bad to hear the scope broke. do a PU or PE conversion if you have the time and resources. youll love it.
@ericzanutto i put a red dot scope on mine like that recently. im afraid it will fall off or move, is it possible? but its SO tight on there you can LITERALLY hold it by the scope and do jumping jacks while holding it.
@jcodym13 my scope was on there pretty tight as well but it moved after a few shots...these Mosins just have a lot of recoil. most likely the red dot doesnt have as much mass as the scout scope so it might not move as easily but my guess is that it will move over time. check out my scout video #2 linked above...i talk about a few solutions to this problem in more detail. hope this helps.
@basilone200 please check out my video description and video #2...pretty much everything is explained in there. its a long eye relief scope, 8x zoom i think, maid by aim.
May I ask what model year your Mosin Nagant was manufactured? I ask because apparently before like 1938 most Mosin Nagant rear sight housings were silver soldered onto the 3/8th dovetail mounts, and I would like to find out if yours was easily punched out or if you had to take a torch to it in order to melt any soldering. Mine is a 1936, but as of yet I don't see any indicators that it could be soldered on.
@DawnOfDaybreak its a 1925 Izhevsk Ex-Dragoon hex receiver but i can tell that a lot of the parts arent original to an ex dragoon. namely, the stock is wrong for a dragoon and so is the rear site from what ive read. so its possible my rear site was replaced at one point in time. mine wasnt silver soldered but i bet if it was a torch, a BFH, and a punch would get it loose. make sure you remove the lock screw at the aft/top section of the site.
@ericzanutto Sweet. I hope that is the case for mine, I want to be able to just pop that rear sight housing off so I can mount my new scope to it without any problems. Unfortunately I don't have access to a torch in order to melt the solder if there is any, so I'm just crossing my fingers and hoping that I wont have to do anything but tap it off.
@DawnOfDaybreak i think one of those cheapo gas canister torches from home depot would work. they work well for brazing and get pretty hot. i doubt it will soldered. the majority of these guns are frakenstein rifles that have been made from many other mosins.
@ericzanutto I would tend to agree with you, I just need to find a punch that will fit the holes... my screw driver on my pocket knife worked pretty well to get the other pins out for cleaning, I just don't want to damage the pins or my screwdriver. lol.
@MADLOVEPRODUCTIONS check out my vid description and my vid #2. pretty much everything is explained in there. i dont remember there being a gap but if there was you could add some steel shim material to fill that gap. i used aluminum rings but ive heard the steel ones grip a little bit better. for the money you cant beat it...but dont expect it to be perfect. its a $100 rifle with a $60 scope setup like this. it does shoot great for what it is though. mines accurized now with a PE scope instaled
@MADLOVEPRODUCTIONS did you get steel or aluminum rings? im curious to see if the steel ones bite better, ive heard they do. if the cork doesnt work, go to your local hobby shop and buy some thin sheet metal.
@ericzanutto aluminum I had a hard time finding steel with the double screws so I just went with the aluminum. I got medium length so I had to remove the front sight. I was considering having a rail machined that goes from 3/8 to a weaver that just pins to the rifle
@MADLOVEPRODUCTIONS I haven't actually done this since I moved on to a PE setup but what you could do is add a cotter pin or roll pin through the already existing site attach holes on the rifle. You might have to drill one or two small holes in your scope rings but it should be easy. The PE scope mount uses a small pin also to keep the scope from moving forward. In my video #2 I talk about this in more detail. Give that a try and please let me know how it works.
I have almost the exact same setup... Except I went with medium rise mounts (it's a close fit but it works with that scope) haven't noticed a need for lock tight YET... just haven't had the desire to pull it off after sighting it in... I will if I loose zero or notice a shift. I bought a NcStar 2-7x32mm pistol scope and NcStar 3/8" rings all for 48 bucks!
You need to post how you finished your stock... It's beautiful :')
SuperDrunkkiller 1 week ago
@SuperDrunkkiller thanks, maybe someday when I get another Mosin I will. was pretty simple though. just used crud cutter, hot water, and a scotch brite to remove the finish. I then applied minwax pre stain, stain, and 6 coats of polyurathane. I polished with steel wool inbetween the coats.
ericzanutto 1 day ago
There is a kit they sell at my work (Big 5) and it comes with the rail mount, scope, scope rings, and a sling for 60 bucks. is it a good buy or? also, i dont have the M91/30, i have the M44
aDveebay 1 month ago
@aDveebay not sure, ive never seen that kit.
ericzanutto 2 weeks ago
Everyone tries this when they first pick up a Mosin. For those of you who try this you will be disappointed. The Mosin kick is so strong that you really can't use dovetails for this rifle. Your scope will move all over. If you try to glue it, loctite it, etc. the rifle gets so hot when you start to fire some rounds through it that it will just melt. Although you can get them for the the price of a toy, these are REAL battle rifles that will punch a hole through all but the toughest ceramic armor
happydelicious 1 month ago
@happydelicious if you use some good steel rings and add a recoil pin through the stock site pin hole the scope should stay in place. I however gave up with this and spent the extra money to install a real nice PE scope kit from accumounts. so far its dead on out to 750 yards with surplus ammo. agreed though, tons of recoil and stopping power. this rifle will leave your shoulder bruised and purple after only 20 rounds.
ericzanutto 1 month ago
Seems like a medium mount (not high) would still clear OK, no?
pcgamerjoe 1 month ago
@pcgamerjoe I chose high because I wanted to get the scope up higher for better eye location.
ericzanutto 1 month ago
I use the brass stackers mount on the mosins that i do put mounts on and thay dont move any at all.For a hunter just starting out a mosin with a red dot works nice.
SOUTHERNANDPROUD1861 1 month ago
So what is THE BEST scope setup to have for this rifle? I just bought a nice 1938 M-N and want to put some optics on it without breaking my wallet but none of that cheap, unreliable crap..any suggestions?
blake0827 2 months ago
@blake0827 you wont get good, relaible, and cheap in the same package. if you want something that matches the original scope then get a PU or PE scope from accumounts(dot)com. I bought a PE kit for mine for $400 something and did th egun smithing by myself. I have some other videos of this on my page. I just got done shooting it at 700 yards today.
ericzanutto 2 months ago
@ericzanutto ROTFLMAO you put $400 in optics on a $100 rifle?
EZRIDER327 4 weeks ago
@EZRIDER327 haha, man, you are quite hilarious. I see people like you all the time shooting at my local spot with $3K plus modded out remi 700s shooting at only 50 yards. true story. now thats what I call funny. you waste your money on what you want to waste it on and ill enjoy spending my hard earned money on something actually challenging to shoot. thanks for the funny comment, really made me laugh.
ericzanutto 2 weeks ago
How did you get the rear sight out on that? I tried on my hex receiver, but nothing doing.
MavHunter20XX 2 months ago
@MavHunter20XX first you have to remove the 2 pins my punching them out. then you have to remove the set screw at the top/back of the site. you can only gain access to this screw if you lift up on the site. use a punch and a hammer to slide the site forward off the site rails. you might need to use some force or use some heat (propane torch) to help break it loose.
ericzanutto 2 months ago
@ericzanutto Well, the pins are the problem. I've done quite a bit short of torching them, but they won't pounch out.
MavHunter20XX 2 months ago
@MavHunter20XX weird. I dont remember mine being too hard to punch out but they definitely werent easy. did you try punching them out in the opposite direction?
ericzanutto 2 months ago
@ericzanutto I'll give it another shot, but but I rapped the crap out of it.
MavHunter20XX 2 months ago
Great looking rifle
rage340 2 months ago
@rage340 thank you!
ericzanutto 2 months ago
we had 2 mosins that we had to use a torch to heat up the original mount to get it to slide out because it was soldered to the barrel. This was done after removing the sight & then punching out the pins as he described.
nickglass12 2 months ago
Why didn't you just get the scope mount that the russians used in world war two?
or is that the mount the manufacturer sold you that didn't fit right?
AustinLuthi 2 months ago
@AustinLuthi I have one of those now (a PE scope and mount). I initially didnt get one of these, much like other people dont, because theyre very expensive. mount I originally bought was an over priced piece of crap aluminum mount which many horrible companies sell online to unsuspecting customers. they dont fit well and wil lnot hold zero. check out video #2 because I talk about some of the problems I had with this mount and talk about how to fix it.
ericzanutto 2 months ago
I got the same setup on mine but the scope kept sliding forward? any suggestions?
mcmatt331 2 months ago
@mcmatt331 add a recoil pin through one of the rings. I give more details in video #2. others have tried this and said it works.
ericzanutto 2 months ago
what brand scope rings did you use and where did you purchase them.
unclestubie 3 months ago
@unclestubie please see the video details and video #2 for all the info. thanks!
ericzanutto 2 months ago
Nice rifle, good vid
NickPech 3 months ago
@NickPech thank you.
ericzanutto 3 months ago
Nice! Was it easy to punch the rear sight out?
T1meW4st3d 3 months ago
@T1meW4st3d yes, it was very easy for me but I have heard from several other people theres was real hard and in one case they had to take it to a gun smith. I personally think they were trying hard enough.
ericzanutto 3 months ago
please give a brand for the scope and mounts.
markbuiltme 3 months ago
@markbuiltme please read the video description and see video #2, all the info is in there.
ericzanutto 3 months ago
The wood on your Nagant looks amazing! What did you do to it? Is that on another video?
Mayes041 3 months ago
@Mayes041 removed the old finish with crud cutter and scotch brite pad. pre stained it, stained it (2 coats), 6 coats of polyurathane and I polished it in between coats with extra fine steel wool. all products were by minwax.
ericzanutto 3 months ago
@Mayes041 thanks btw.
ericzanutto 3 months ago
haha, i did the same thing to mine a few years back and posted it on a mosin forum. problem i had was my rings were too weak to hold to the rail. every shot would make the rings slide forward on the rail. maybe ill look into some better rings and try again.
skittlesRgood182 3 months ago
@skittlesRgood182 ya, mine moved too. next time i do this im going to add some recoil pins.
ericzanutto 3 months ago
@ericzanutto i did try this again after i posed. i took a dremil to the base of my rings and cut a groove into them. with that groove i could reinsert the pins from the rear sight. i went out shooting for a few hours and it is holding up just fine so far.
skittlesRgood182 3 months ago
@skittlesRgood182 thats good to know. I might buy a cheap round receiver and try this out again.
ericzanutto 3 months ago
I did. But... to no avail. I finally gave in and took it to a gunsmith. Two week wait & $45.... I hope everything else works out.
mossy500camo 3 months ago
@mossy500camo sucks, mine came right off without too much effort. maybe yours was brazed in place?
ericzanutto 3 months ago
Ok I have the rear front pin out, set screw out, Now how the Hell to get the rear pin out? Any Help Appreciated.
mossy500camo 3 months ago
@mossy500camo get a punch and a hammer and hit it forward. Or also try using a propane torch to heat it up and make the metal expand.
ericzanutto 3 months ago
@ericzanutto I give up & took it to the local gunsmith.
mossy500camo 3 months ago
@ericzanutto wouldn't you want to put it in the freezer and make the metal shrink?
SBwingman 3 months ago
@SBwingman depends on which metal is affected more by temperature. since the barrel is thicker and has more surface area than the site it wont soak up as much heat as the site. therefore, the site should expand more than the barrel. we do use cold shrink fit for bushinngs at work. we do that with nitrogen though. you couldnt fit your barrel and receiver in a normal size freezer either.
ericzanutto 3 months ago
do you have a part number and brand for the scope mount please?
markbuiltme 3 months ago
@markbuiltme video #2, linked above, has all the details.
ericzanutto 3 months ago
how is the eye relief, it's sitting pretty far forward
falloutforever88 4 months ago
@falloutforever88 its a long eye relief scope so its fine. these scout scope mount setups are definitely not as nice as your normal PE, PU, PEM...but they are the cheapest. you get what you pay for.
ericzanutto 3 months ago
looks like a hex receiver, nice refinish job! Just ordered my first Mosin. Tks for the idea!
samsplacci 4 months ago
@samsplacci yes, its a hex receiver with a laminated stock that I frefinished. I got real lucky when I found this one. I went in to pick up a round receiver i put on DROS and when i went in to the store they had a hex. they let me trade the round for the hex...same price too!
ericzanutto 4 months ago
great idea good job
MrTheree 4 months ago
@MrTheree thank you. although, id like to add, make sure you add a recoil pin on one of the scope rings like i talk about in video #2.
ericzanutto 4 months ago
Negative the proper way would be to get a PSO scope and weld the mount to the side and bend the bolt.
TheAk47Enthusiast 4 months ago
@TheAk47Enthusiast maybe if you would have actually taken one second to read the title of this video you would have realized it states "proper way to mount a SCOUT scope, " not proper way to mount a scope. not everyone wants to permanently attach a scope to their mosin, nor can everyone afford a PE or a PU and a bent bolt. I personally own a PE i converted myself. its very very beautiful but it was not cheap or easy to build. its also not for everyone.
ericzanutto 4 months ago
@ericzanutto u found a really nice Mosin, im not gonna lie... the wood on the gun is the best ive ever seen, or did you order a different stock?
BASSPLAYAAA 4 months ago
@BASSPLAYAAA Its the laminated stock that came with the gun. It looked pretty old but I dont know if its really the original stock...most likely not since this is an ex-dragoon rifle. i refinished the stock and coated it with 6 coats of polyurathane. polished with steel wool between each coat.
ericzanutto 3 months ago
Hi,
I just put the same setup on my 91/30 and I could not zero it in. :( I went through 40 rounds at 50 yards. Any ideas of what I could do to make it hold zero? I tightened the rings, they don't seem to move. Could the ammo influence the accuracy at this distance? I have to use SP ammo at the range. :(
Thanks!
vdub4utube 4 months ago
@vdub4utube it wont hold zero or you cant get it to zero? if it wont hold zero maybe try a better set of scop rings and add a recoil pin like I describe in video #2. if you cant get it to zero theres a chance your rear site is canted at an angle. this is a common problem with the mosins, especially when they have been rearsenaled and taken apart, sometimes the barrel wont line up correctly with the reciver. have you tried bore sighting it or laser bore sighting it?
ericzanutto 4 months ago
@ericzanutto Actually, I can't zero it in. I tried to aim to the same spot on and fire a few shots. I was expecting the shots to be off, but within a reasonable group. The first three shots were all over the target, and as I kept shooting it just got worse. The mounts are tight, the two screws that hold the assembly into the stock are tight as well. I took off the original rear sight and used the dovetail mounts to mount the scope to the rifle. There should be no movement at all.
vdub4utube 4 months ago
@vdub4utube youre sure the scope rings arent moving forward on the gun? it almost sounds like you might have a bad scope. thats one bad thing about these cheaper scopes, the reticles can sometimes break or come loose. id try to return it if I were you. dont tell them you had it mounted on a mosin though. they might just say its too much recoil for their scope. theres a $60 one on tickbitesupply thats supposed to be for a mosin. thats what I had for awhile.
ericzanutto 4 months ago
@ericzanutto I'll try the bore sighter, and different ammo next time.
vdub4utube 4 months ago
@vdub4utube another stupid thing, but check the bolts attaching the gun to the stock and make sure your receiver fits nice into the recoil lug slot.
ericzanutto 4 months ago
@ericzanutto It's not stupid! :) I checked the bolt, and it is steady, without any movement at all. I'll try to make it out to the range tomorrow and give it another try. I have the AIM scope. I tried it with a Red Dot before, but that was mounted to the rear sight not to the dove tail like this scope. The red dot had the same issue on the Mosin, but it works perfectly on my wires Ruger 22/45.
vdub4utube 4 months ago
@vdub4utube im shooting surplus ammo out to 550 yards and it shoots dead on for me. you shouldnt be having issues with ammo at 50 yards unless its really really crappy. are you sure youre bore is clean?
ericzanutto 4 months ago
@ericzanutto Thanks for the advice. I cleaned the bore before I put the sight on. It should be clean as new. :)
vdub4utube 4 months ago
just get one with a PU scope...its original and works better.looks better,etc.besides...this shit up here ^ is ugly...
mrantihippie 5 months ago
@mrantihippie the point of this video is to show how to mount a scout...because its cheap, and not everyone can afford a $500 PU. I have converted this rifle to a PE (by myself) using an accumounts PE kit. The PE is better than the PU and my PE is probably one of the cleanest Mosins around if youre looking for something "pretty." I have videos on this PE also.
ericzanutto 5 months ago
@ericzanutto I agree! Not everyone can afford a $500 PU rifle I'm working on my $90.00 mosin nagant 91/30 rifle as we speak getting her ready for hunting season this year. I found your video very very helpful Thank you!
longriflesniper 5 months ago
@longriflesniper glad you found it helpful. make sure you add a recoil pin to one of the scope rings. I found out later its necessary to have. I talk a little bit more about that in "video #2." happy hunting!
ericzanutto 5 months ago
I'm confused. In another one of your videos you show a setup you purchased from Accumountsdotcom that comes with a hex or a round receiver mount. In this video you recommend the 3/8 dovetail scope rings. Which one is better? I'm interested in mounting a scope on my nagant.
wagslick 5 months ago
@wagslick this video, as it states, just shows how to mount a scout scope. a lot of people buying a musin dont want to permanently add a scope to it, "defacing" the weapon, and.or dont want to spend a bunch of money on a nice scope like the PE. the PE is far superior to the scout mount and the price also reflects that. I personally like the PE/PU because its an original scope and looks very nice. also performs very well. my gun is a real accurate piece of machinery out to 550 yards.
ericzanutto 5 months ago
it would probably be better to get med rings that scopes kind of high if its too high you have to lift your head up to see and another thing is during recoil it being to high it might torque the dovetail off
MrROTTENJUGGALO 5 months ago
how much did this all cost you?
dodgeballmonk 5 months ago
@dodgeballmonk gun was $120, scope was about $50, the rings were about $10 or so.
ericzanutto 5 months ago
I would love to buy one of these, but in canada they are probably a billion dollars like everything else around here
PADSCALE 5 months ago
@PADSCALE why is that? Are they just total gun nazis in canada about gun laws or are things just more expensive? Could you buy one from JG sales and have it imported to an FFL? They're only about $120 online.
ericzanutto 5 months ago
@ericzanutto no its just that our dollar is way to high,and also because there are some stupid restrictions here to.
PADSCALE 5 months ago
@Grayling78 probably just depends on how off your rear site is. a lot of these mosins have been rebuilt and sometimes the rear site mount gets canted and causes problems like this. mine was pretty far off also but i was still able to adjust it to where it should be. im currently sighted in at 450 yards.
ericzanutto 5 months ago
is that what they call a laminated stock? also did you refinish it?
my stock appears to be a solid piece, i also dont have the hex reciever.
good vid!
f8talh8red 5 months ago
@f8talh8red yes, its a laminated stock and yes i refinished it. took it down to the bare wood, restained it, and applied 6 coats of polyurathane.
ericzanutto 4 months ago
I tried this. The rear sight on my Hungarian (02) 1953 M44 is not mounted on a rail but is on a cylindrical sleeve that is pressed on to the barrel the soldered and held in place with pins. Just a warning - if someone wants to do this, don't do it on a '53 Hungarian M44.
potatohead5309 5 months ago
Do you have a link to the parts needed for this?
BoostedTT91 6 months ago
@BoostedTT91 its all in the video description and video #2
ericzanutto 6 months ago
Do you have any problems shooting it because a lot of other guys talk about how this kind of setup will still move around when shooting
beefcassarole96 6 months ago
@beefcassarole96 the scout is sturdy only if you pin it somehow...like i mentioned in the video#2, there are a few ways to do that, the recoil will make the scout move a bit. the PE setup on the other hand is very very sturdy and doesnt move at all. its also expensive though.
ericzanutto 6 months ago
its ugly man
BoggleDongMongerFlog 6 months ago
@BoggleDongMongerFlog ya, im sure thats what the russians were worried about as they were getting shot at by the germans. didnt buy it for looks, i bought it because its a tried and true rifle that is a real piece of history.
ericzanutto 6 months ago
@ericzanutto Well the Russians (capital letter) didn't have eye relief scopes that made their guns look so ugly while they were shooting the Germans (capital letter). I love the rifle... the scope is a POS. Its like taking the Mona Lisa and painting some more flowers on it.
BoggleDongMongerFlog 6 months ago
@BoggleDongMongerFlog the whole point of this video is to show a cheap way to mount a scope mount...not make it pretty. if you wanna see a real nice looking PE scope that i mounted myself to this same 91/30, and spent a good amount of time working on, then look at my PE video. have you used one of these scopes before? worked fine for me. was cheap but wasnt a POS for the time i spent with it. im not saying its the best but its way cheaper than the $300 i spent on the PE setup.
ericzanutto 6 months ago
@ericzanutto Reguardless, it is ugly.
BoggleDongMongerFlog 6 months ago
@BoggleDongMongerFlog Regardless, you're a Prick(capital letter).
conciousness88 6 months ago
@ericzanutto Don't forget the foot-and-a-half, pre-Geneva bayonet that comes with it "new"
aBoone92 6 months ago
I followed this same process and have those exact rings. It is a very clean and solid setup now. I am glad I didn't waste time with the sight-mounted weaver rail conversion process.
unnaturaltragedy 7 months ago
Is exactly what I have done, even before viewing your video. Did take me a minute to de-solder the silver solder from rear sight. Have the high mounts..got from net, being they have the two screws for each ring, they hold tight, better than a single screw! Scope I have is an LER (long eye relief)..is good, but need catarac removed from r eye and will bring scope back over receiver, meaning an extended mount. Also redid my stock..love this weapon for the price!!
Shot79iron 7 months ago
@Shot79iron ya, i know others have had more success with this. unfortunately for me I quickly switched over to a PE scope setup so i dont have much knowledge on the other rings that work better. you didnt have to install a recoil pin? the friction was enough?
ericzanutto 7 months ago
In Soviet Russia: SCOPE mounts YOU!
MinionOfDeth2112 7 months ago
@MinionOfDeth2112 yes it does, mounts you long and hard.
ericzanutto 7 months ago
yeah- for some reason youtube decided to not let me reply- excelent job my friend
mikethenascarfan 7 months ago
REALLY EXCELLENT JOB MY FRIEND- IT COME OUT REALLY NICE- PROBUBLY ONE OF THE NICEST STOCKS I'VE SEEN SO FAR
mikethenascarfan 7 months ago
@mikethenascarfan thankyou, I had a pretty good stock on the rifle to begin with. I stripped it all down, prestained it, stained it, applied 6 coats of minwax polyurathane while sanding with steel wool in between coats.
ericzanutto 7 months ago
@ericzanutto yeah- for some reason youtube decided to not let me reply- excelent job my friend
mikethenascarfan 7 months ago
Dude... Awesome vid...!! Can you tell me where you bought your scope and accessories to put that on your riffle. I just purchased a Mosin Nagant and want to do the same thing with mine. That is SA-WHEAT!!!
MrKZizzle 7 months ago
@MrKZizzle cool, glad you like the video. If you check out the video description, and video #2, I give pretty much all the details of where I got everything for this rifle. Let us all know how it shoots once you get it out to the range, they're awesome rifles.
ericzanutto 7 months ago
You only do this if you want any possible way to cheaply put a scope on it but you don't realize: 1) there are no recoil lugs on the dovetail rail. 2) All scopes will always have a percent of error because of parallax, even if you adjust the knob for it because they are optics with zoom they will always require to be shot looking down the scope from the exact same position for it not to effect you hence the cheek rest and slow steady aiming. Just become close with Iron sights or red dots.
TheShadoKnite 7 months ago
@TheShadoKnite dude, that was the whole point, to show the cheapest way to mount a scope on the 9130. If you check out video #2 I give some ways to solve the recoil problem. Many other people on youtube have successfully done this too. I'm running a PE scope(4x zoom only, german reticle) right now and can hit a shoe box size steel target over and over at 450 yards. This rifles very accurate with a scope.
ericzanutto 7 months ago
@ericzanutto A Shoebox size target? 450 Yards? That's nothing to brag about you should be able to do that with any scope worth it's weight, still I dislike magnification on my rifles, with Modern I say get a cheap but sturdy Reflex sight and mod it to accept an external power source which you attach to a rail on the rifle or drill into the stock and such. Or you could just buy flip up iron sights. On WW2 rifles (WW2 is the oldest I see worth buying for use as a firearm) just use them.
TheShadoKnite 7 months ago
@TheShadoKnite 450 yards with the 4x 3 post german reticle scope and the shoebox size steel target barely looks like a spec at the tip of the vertical post...pretty good for an almost 100 year beat up rifle and an old technology scope. and by hitting it over and over, im saying that the accuracy of this rifle doesnt change much with heat cycles nor does the PE get affected by recoil. im just trying to say for something so old it shoots pretty well. i wanted to build this as a scoped rifle.
ericzanutto 7 months ago
@TheShadoKnite all im getting at is that this video is clearly stated, "how to mount a scope," if you dont like scopes then thats cool, but some people do like scopes and they want to know how to cheaply mount one on their Mosin. i wanted a long range capable mosin (still working at getting better) and for me that meant i wanted to mount a scope. my mauser on the other hand doesnt need a scope because it has very very nice iron sites and i dont plan to shoot it past 550 yards.
ericzanutto 7 months ago
@ericzanutto Have you seen A youtuber by the name of Mag30th? I don't actually like his stuff but he has a video 1000 yards hitting a target iron sights only. How much money exactly have you spent on your mosin and it's scopes then?
TheShadoKnite 7 months ago
@TheShadoKnite I've seen someone on youtube shoot a 3.5x PU at 1k yds but not with iron sites. Even then, he hit the target about 2/5 times. I understand you don't like scopes on a rifle like this, I do however and so do many others. I never claimed to be a pro shooter and I was just trying to post up a helpful video. I spent my money on a scope and I'm fine with that. This thing shoots great and my bill was under $400 for everything. Much more affordable for me and was lots of fun to build
ericzanutto 7 months ago
@ericzanutto you would rather this than turning down the bolt and drilling and just putting the normal mount on?I'm sure you can drill into the high wall maybe even add a shotgun scope mount with some trimming. at least you paid only 400- D cuz I can get a new Remington 770 for 450 and sell the scope that comes on it (you already knew I would) and the total cost ends up being 380 or less.
TheShadoKnite 7 months ago
@TheShadoKnite sorry I didn't clarify, $400 is for the PE sniper I built ( see my other videos). This scount mount with gun cost about $200. I keep on telling you over and over, I wanted to build a scoped Mosin, that's what this video is all about a mosin with a scope. If I wanted something else then I would have bought it. And going back to your original comments, if scopes were so unimportant, the russians wouldn't have built the PU sniper and given it to vasily zaytsev and others.
ericzanutto 7 months ago
@TheShadoKnite if you really think red dots are so nice on a mosin then make a video of it for everyone to see and talk about how much you hate scoped mosins while you're at it to. That's cool, because that's what you want. Just get it through your head that this is what I wanted to build and it doesn't get any more simple than that. Seems like your only point here is to show that I made a bad purchase...when I keep on repeating, this is what I wanted, so give it a rest already.
ericzanutto 7 months ago
@TheShadoKnite and while were at it, a remi 770 would cost you more than $380 because knowing you, you'd go mount a red dot on it to be all tactical. ;)
ericzanutto 7 months ago
@ericzanutto haha Oh yeah but still only like 25 D if you go to opticplanet's site. You can get scopes there for cheap as well and some other things if you like. I mean it's not that I hate scopes, I'd love one with a x1 zoom which defeats the purpose of a scope but I do prefer a thin duplex crosshair, a mil dot, or really any other fine scope reticle over an aperture/notch and a post.
TheShadoKnite 7 months ago
@TheShadoKnite to each his own I guess. Good debate though.
ericzanutto 7 months ago
@ericzanutto yeah true that be.
TheShadoKnite 7 months ago
Where did you buy those dovetails?
kaboodles44 7 months ago
@kaboodles44 from amazon. check out the vid description for more details.
ericzanutto 7 months ago
thats a nice stock, what type of work did you do on it?
mikethenascarfan 7 months ago
@mikethenascarfan sanded it down to bare wood with a scotch brite pad, used minwax prestain, minwax stain, and then minwax polyurathane (6 coats, sanded with fine steel wool in between coats). I also removed cosmolean from the wood with krud cutter and a bristle brush and hot water. Helps remove wood staining.
ericzanutto 7 months ago
@ericzanutto REALLY EXCELLENT JOB MY FRIEND- IT COME OUT REALLY NICE- PROBUBLY ONE OF THE NICEST STOCKS I'VE SEEN SO FAR
mikethenascarfan 7 months ago
@xSpYderMaNx my pins came out pretty easily with a small punch and a hammer. the site itself took a little bit more work. you might try heating it up a little bit with a torch, lighter, or a hair dryer and see if that helps. you could also soak it for awhile with PB Blaster or WD40. dont be afraid, just hit it hard!
ericzanutto 8 months ago
my mosin nagant does not have the 2 pins for the sight
xxtruckin93xx 8 months ago
@xxtruckin93xx do you have a 91/30? im pretty sure only the 91/30 has this exact type of sight.
ericzanutto 8 months ago
@ericzanutto im tellin you on the side there are 2 pins i dont have em
xxtruckin93xx 8 months ago
@xxtruckin93xx Do you know if yours was Re Arsenaled? If it was it would have the two pins if it wasnt that could be the reason yours does not. I read somewhere that the original rear sights did not have the pins that they do now after being arsenaled
LDXaborg 7 months ago
@LDXaborg regarding my own personal rifle...I dont know the full history but I do know mine is an ex-dragoon. so at some point in time it was reworked. most of the 91/30s ive seen have the set screw and the 2 pins in the rear site...im no expert though. you think his might be all original then? good info.
ericzanutto 7 months ago
@ericzanutto Im no expert either by any means I own two that both have the two set screws but I read somewhere that some dont depending on if they were re arsenaled at some point or not but if his wasnt then thats pretty cool and a little more rare
LDXaborg 7 months ago
@Sparks343 yes, it works, but i only shot mine with this setup out at 100/200 yards. im currently using the accumounts PE scope setup which i can shoot a shoe box size steel plate out at 450/550 yards over and over again with no problems. i will tell you that you get what you pay for. a $60 scope is not going to perform like a $300+ scope on a rifle with this much recoil. see my othe rvideos if you want more info on the PE.
ericzanutto 8 months ago
dude, it is way easier to use a jmeck scope mount!!!! and you can use your iron sights. Just be sure you buy a bent bolt. Just look around for a bent bolt or have your straight bolt bent by a smith.
jim22018 8 months ago
@jim22018 this is way cheaper than the jmeck mount...that's the whole point behind it. If you pin it in place it won't move. There's really not much to removing your rear site also, its a pretty simple task. You still have to take your rifle apart for the jmeck mount and get a bent bolt which from experience costs $60. I'm currently running a PE setup which I gunsmithed myself. I had my bolt bent by max shephard on ebay.
ericzanutto 8 months ago
Thanks for the heads up!
jcsump 9 months ago
It'll move... you need to drill it, or it'll migrate when firing.
youinstube 9 months ago
@youinstube ya, I know, mine moved a little bit. I talk about how to fix it in my video #2. Even my PE scope moved a little bit at first too. This gun just has a lot of recoil.
ericzanutto 9 months ago
@ericzanutto Thats some beutiful woodwork did you refinnish it or did you buy it that way?
ironmonkeyz 10 months ago
@ironmonkeyz thank you, i refinished it. it was in pretty good shape to begin with though. if you look at my Mauser video youll see i did the same amount of work but that ones not as nice. i cleaned the wood with crud cutter, scrubbed it down with hot water and a brush, sanded off all the old finish with a scotch brite pad. then i used minwax wood conditioner, stain, and 6 coats of polyurathane to finish it.
ericzanutto 10 months ago
@ericzanutto Looks great maybe I'll have to do that to mine. Is there much technical work involved with putting on a PE Scope setup? I was thinking about getting a scout mount that affixes to the rear sight but now I saw your video and I guess I won't throw $80 away.
ironmonkeyz 10 months ago
@ironmonkeyz again, thanks, i love this thing. its a long story for the PE...so here we go. i installed it myself and i consider myself to have fairly decent mechanical ability but im no pro machinest or anything like that. drilling the holes was done with a drill press and a drill stop gage. i clamped the mount on the gun and used it to match drill the holes. tapping the holes was a different story. you need to get a bottom tap, not the tapered tap they sell on accumounts. continued...
ericzanutto 10 months ago
@ironmonkeyz you need the bottom tap since you need to tap to the bottom of a hole and youre not going all the way through the receiver. even with my hex receiver the metal was of poor quality and was not easy to tap. id give it one more try but after that id go to a gun smith or machinest for sure. i ended up tak welding the mount in place and jb welding the fastener heads in place...you cant even tell its welded in place and its rock solid.
ericzanutto 10 months ago
@ericzanuttoHow many yard you can shoot since you mounted a scope to your mosin nagart
biglj822009 9 months ago
@biglj822009 ive been able to hit a steel target the size of a large shoebox out at 450 yards. i could probably hit further but thats the furthest target at the place i usually shoot.
ericzanutto 9 months ago
I pretty much have the same setup, except I used the AccuShot medium profile rings with the set screw. The only modification i had to do was to drill a small, shallow hole on the dovetail rail for the set screw to go into. really easy; *anybody* can do it - just be sure not to drill too deep (stay above the holes for the rear sight pins and you should be fine). As for the scope, I used the ncstar 2-7, but the recoil knocked the objective's O ring out -- at least my replacement is on its way :|
soapy05 10 months ago
@soapy05 i pretty much had those same problems too but i never used the scope long enough to have it break under recoil. in my video #2 response to this one i talk a little bit about the idea of drilling a whole and pinning it just like you mentioned you did. good to hear the pinning worked out, bad to hear the scope broke. do a PU or PE conversion if you have the time and resources. youll love it.
ericzanutto 10 months ago
@ericzanutto i put a red dot scope on mine like that recently. im afraid it will fall off or move, is it possible? but its SO tight on there you can LITERALLY hold it by the scope and do jumping jacks while holding it.
jcodym13 10 months ago
@jcodym13 my scope was on there pretty tight as well but it moved after a few shots...these Mosins just have a lot of recoil. most likely the red dot doesnt have as much mass as the scout scope so it might not move as easily but my guess is that it will move over time. check out my scout video #2 linked above...i talk about a few solutions to this problem in more detail. hope this helps.
ericzanutto 10 months ago
what kind of scope
basilone200 11 months ago
@basilone200 please check out my video description and video #2...pretty much everything is explained in there. its a long eye relief scope, 8x zoom i think, maid by aim.
ericzanutto 11 months ago
May I ask what model year your Mosin Nagant was manufactured? I ask because apparently before like 1938 most Mosin Nagant rear sight housings were silver soldered onto the 3/8th dovetail mounts, and I would like to find out if yours was easily punched out or if you had to take a torch to it in order to melt any soldering. Mine is a 1936, but as of yet I don't see any indicators that it could be soldered on.
DawnOfDaybreak 11 months ago
@DawnOfDaybreak its a 1925 Izhevsk Ex-Dragoon hex receiver but i can tell that a lot of the parts arent original to an ex dragoon. namely, the stock is wrong for a dragoon and so is the rear site from what ive read. so its possible my rear site was replaced at one point in time. mine wasnt silver soldered but i bet if it was a torch, a BFH, and a punch would get it loose. make sure you remove the lock screw at the aft/top section of the site.
ericzanutto 11 months ago
@ericzanutto Sweet. I hope that is the case for mine, I want to be able to just pop that rear sight housing off so I can mount my new scope to it without any problems. Unfortunately I don't have access to a torch in order to melt the solder if there is any, so I'm just crossing my fingers and hoping that I wont have to do anything but tap it off.
DawnOfDaybreak 11 months ago
@DawnOfDaybreak i think one of those cheapo gas canister torches from home depot would work. they work well for brazing and get pretty hot. i doubt it will soldered. the majority of these guns are frakenstein rifles that have been made from many other mosins.
ericzanutto 11 months ago
@ericzanutto I would tend to agree with you, I just need to find a punch that will fit the holes... my screw driver on my pocket knife worked pretty well to get the other pins out for cleaning, I just don't want to damage the pins or my screwdriver. lol.
DawnOfDaybreak 11 months ago
How well did this stay on after you fired it and was there a tiny gap between the rings and dovetail base
MADLOVEPRODUCTIONS 1 year ago
@MADLOVEPRODUCTIONS check out my vid description and my vid #2. pretty much everything is explained in there. i dont remember there being a gap but if there was you could add some steel shim material to fill that gap. i used aluminum rings but ive heard the steel ones grip a little bit better. for the money you cant beat it...but dont expect it to be perfect. its a $100 rifle with a $60 scope setup like this. it does shoot great for what it is though. mines accurized now with a PE scope instaled
ericzanutto 1 year ago
@ericzanutto I tried some thick cork gasket to fill up the gap and red loctite on the threads im trying it out next month and hope it doesn't walk
MADLOVEPRODUCTIONS 11 months ago
@MADLOVEPRODUCTIONS did you get steel or aluminum rings? im curious to see if the steel ones bite better, ive heard they do. if the cork doesnt work, go to your local hobby shop and buy some thin sheet metal.
ericzanutto 11 months ago
@ericzanutto aluminum I had a hard time finding steel with the double screws so I just went with the aluminum. I got medium length so I had to remove the front sight. I was considering having a rail machined that goes from 3/8 to a weaver that just pins to the rifle
MADLOVEPRODUCTIONS 11 months ago
@ericzanutto I tried the rifle out and the scope and mounts moved forward
MADLOVEPRODUCTIONS 10 months ago
@MADLOVEPRODUCTIONS I haven't actually done this since I moved on to a PE setup but what you could do is add a cotter pin or roll pin through the already existing site attach holes on the rifle. You might have to drill one or two small holes in your scope rings but it should be easy. The PE scope mount uses a small pin also to keep the scope from moving forward. In my video #2 I talk about this in more detail. Give that a try and please let me know how it works.
ericzanutto 10 months ago
I have almost the exact same setup... Except I went with medium rise mounts (it's a close fit but it works with that scope) haven't noticed a need for lock tight YET... just haven't had the desire to pull it off after sighting it in... I will if I loose zero or notice a shift. I bought a NcStar 2-7x32mm pistol scope and NcStar 3/8" rings all for 48 bucks!
Love this set up can't beat it for the money...
GunsAnonymousGA 1 year ago
thats one nice finish
hazer89 1 year ago
@hazer89 thank you, it was in really good shape to begin with though so it was really easy to work with.
ericzanutto 1 year ago
how long should the eye relief be on the scope i get.
zubiadan14 1 year ago