Religion is also a tool for the weak minded to live their live.
Who is to say if you get rid of religion people will not start war at exactly the same frequency but to join a different clubs, race, region, language, professions, class status, etc?
Religion is nothing but a club for the weak minded. We should treat them as such, no religion schools, no religion in politics, and no religion for war. Just like 2 book club don't go to mutual war.
@dramon231 i think anyone would debating with bush would be entertaining, in fact, i think no debate is required. just let bush dig his own grave. hitchens would let off a nuclear attack to rain down upon him :)
No mortal debates The Hitch and does so successfully. Not in this fucking life. Nor in the next. Hitch was and remains the greatest of thinkers. And if there is a God, which is not a likely story, then even God must be applauding Christopher.
Who's gonna do the necessary Hitch-slapping of the Catholic church nowadays just when we need it most? His pointing out the immorality of those wealthy men in Rome controlling women's bodies, the acting through state players to deny condoms etc. to those at such high risk of HIV (The Philippines, various African nations, etc.), the covering up of church- sponsored child abuse for decades, the promoting of wars, the selling (and hence promotion) of sin as easily forgivable thus giving it license.
@libertyordeaf brilliant comment!! hehehe. I think Hitchens' one blind spot in his remarkable intellect was his hagiography of Tony Blair. It shows he was human I suppose. I also think that because he was in the US when Blair was PM he didn't realise how he was destroying the UK.
You can't argue with this man's genius. Spot on correct on religion .... the greatest load of fake nonsense and superstition and the source of immeasurable evil in the world. I watch the numbers of atheists rise year on year and I smile. Some day.
@psalmsurfer1 Satan, God, Jesus and your precious Easter Bunny don't exist. It's all in your mind and you only cling to this security blanket because of years of instruction. Your weak mind has been fooled by the greatest lie of all time yet you refuse to aknowledge what is real over what is imaginary.
@ponchred Listen to me and listen to me good because you like to hear yourself talk and I'm about to give you a lesson in theology 101; when one goes through a dramatic conversion (St Augustine, St Paul etc) the pull towards God'a will following that is so strong and undeniable that you can fight it for a time, but you ultimately lose that battle. Hundreds of these types of conversions happen every day. Are you really this clueless about Christianity and theology?
@psalmsurfer1 You listen to me, and make sure you take your own advice and 'listen good'. God is a figment of your imagination. He doesn't exist. He doesn't write magic books. You believe everything these people tell you, every story more nonsensical than the next but their hold on you is so strong that it's impossible for you to listen to reason. Everything with you is 'but Jesus said' and 'but this happened to Padre Pio' WHO CARES?! It's nonsense. Grow a brain and WAKE UP!!!!
@psalmsurfer1 Your mind is so infected by nonsensical stories that when you actually hear something reasonable, your brain goes - well that has nothing to do with talking animals, magical feats or zombies so it mustn't be true, WHICH IN ITSELF IS LUDICROUS!!!!!
@ponchred Zombies, capital letters, rude insults, ridicule, myths, fairies, giants, talking animals, anger etc..your hatred and mocking does nothing to the power of God in my life and how He has worked through me to help others around me.Your deliverance alone testifies to your pure hatred of the things of the Lord and anyone who believes. Then again, Satan has you so blind and deceived that you don't even believe in Satan which is right where that soul destroyer wants you.
@psalmsurfer1 If I 'hate' anything it's ignorance. You constantly bore people with tales of how Puff the magic Dragon is going to eat your soul, and it's all bullshit. You use words like 'deliverance' without even knowing their meaning. It shows your lack of education which is another factor of why you hold so dearly on to fantasy. Satan has nothing to do with anything. He's a figment of your overactive imagination. BTW your made up 'Jesus' is a zombie. Walking dead. Impossible.
@psalmsurfer1 Yes. You're ignorant to the world around you and how it actually works. You would rather leave it all to a made up deitys. I am not ignorant. I am grown up enough to know there's no God, Jesus, Satan, Zeus...take your pick. Each one is as made up as the other, but this is what you believe yet you have the hide to call me 'ignorant' just because I won't join you in believing in tall tales and lies. You ignore the truth and instead make it up in your mind. I pity you.
@ponchred Jesus is the truth, the way and the life. No man can come to the Father except through Him. Every knee shall indeed bow. Might as well ask to be saved because as Howard Jones once said in a song, "when you cross that line, there's no turning back.."
@psalmsurfer1 Meaningless line invented in the distant pass to scare people into submission. They don't work on rational adults. They only work on religious sheeple.
@psalmsurfer1 Oh, and nice job refuting a single word I've said because you haven't. Rather all you've done is what you (wrongly) accuse me of doing. Lol. Leave it to me to weed out the hypocrites.
@ponchred Yeah, leave it to you. Pat yourself on the back like you've been doing your whole life. Your ego reeks of pathological narcissism. I refute everything you say. But as an atheist it is your job to disagree genius.
@psalmsurfer1 You know nothing about my life. So don't pretend you do just because you have that cookie cutter christian view of 'the enemy'. I live a good life and am a good person. And I can do it without Gods and fairies. I know that pisses you off.
@ponchred Again, sticks and stones...there's a thing called maturity. Stop hiding behind your computer, guitar and sex drugs and rock and roll life and take responsibility for your life unless you are scared to look in the mirror. Its never too late to change your life for the better bro. Insults and ridicule lead to hatred- you scorn and mock God's people - a people that have persevered for thousands of years and aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They will be the last ones standing. Trust me
@psalmsurfer1 AHA! For one thing, I don't hide behind a computer, I OWN one like millions of people do. Playing guitar is wrong? Having sex is wrong? I love having sex but according to you it makes me a bad person. So sorry! I don't know why you slanderously suggest I love drugs so much but you love making up all you believe. I love my life and that just pisses you off that I can do that without a crutch. Music and sex are 2 great things to enjoy in life. Sad you think otherwise.
@ponchred I didn't say playing guitar is wrong..I happen to play 3 instruments guitar being one drums and piano the other as well as sing except I use my talent to give glory to God. You don't piss me off at all..you amuse me with your know-all mentality. Who uses a crutch? I use a crutch when only when I injure myself playing sports. Music and sex are nice things to enjoy as I'm a hobby and p/t musician but sex was given to us by God to be used reverently not by scumbags who use women.
@psalmsurfer1 You impled it. I can point out exactly where you did so don't be a hypocrite. And YOU use a crutch. A made up lie of a crutch called Jesus to make yourself feel better about how shithouse your life is. Haha!
@psalmsurfer1 Sex given by God? Where's that part in Genesis? LMAO. Give me a break! The religious sheeple think they have a monopoly on sex. Sex is a method of reproduction used by approx 98% of species on the planet. It's an evolved trait which reduces the chances of harmful mutations in our DNA by allowing us to combine healthy genes through fertilisation. It's very pleasurable because it makes evolutionary sense to associate pleasure with perpetuation of the species.
@psalmsurfer1 And you won't be the last ones standing. You'll die like all cult members do by sacrificing yourselves. And it can't come quick enough. You've already tasted the Kool Aid...
@ponchred The kool-aid tastes pretty good to be honest and I don't get a hangover and look like a bus backed over me like you probably do every sat morning.
@psalmsurfer1 And you have a hide to talk to anyone about maturity seeing you believe in magic, angels and other made up things. Why would I wqant to change my life for the worse by believing the silly shit you do?
@ponchred Change your life for the worse? lol Ask any converted Christian what their life was like before and after conversion. If even one says worse I will go back to running with the devil alongside david lee roth.
@psalmsurfer1 Yes I've seen them and the placebo effect created by conversion. Those people just give up and WANT to be controlled. They want their decisions made for them because they have lost their strength. Christianity preys and relies on it. Have you seen the positive effects of someone throwing off the shackles of religion? Once they're free of the cult? Freeing yourself of the cult doesn't mean you have to go back on drugs or bad Van Halen songs...
@psalmsurfer1 "guitar and sex drugs and rock and roll life" Envy much? Newsflash: You do not get to talk down to others when your nick sounds like a handjob.
@TomFynn Envy? Why..I came from that lifestyle and found it empty..just ask Brian Head Welch; ex Korn guitarist..you see where that lifestyle got him..almost sent him to the grave 6 ft under..yeah..what a glorious thing to envy..now he gives glory to the one Lord Jesus Christ with his music. Nick name? You mean username? You wouldn't know a psalm or a surfboard if either hit you in the cranium.
@psalmsurfer1 "lifestyle"? You have no idea what you are talking about. And if that Korn guy switched one hallucinogens for the other, that's his problem.
@psalmsurfer1 You're using that loser as an example? Head was so drug-fucked that he couldn't make a decent decision in the first place. Enter the church to take full advantage. As Tom says, he just swapped one drug for another. If anything he's even more of a loony now. What a horrible example. Christians should stay away from rock n roll music. It's not for them.
@Antipopularization You can't say 'there may have' been a person existing, then pontificate on said supernatural powers. Point me to a valid historical record from the time of his proposed existence. You can't because it doesn't exist. Hence 'Jesus' is a fabrication designed to play on the fears of fools.
I so very much wanted to see Phony Blair do a facepalm; when Hitch spoke of "lying, cheating, thieving, two-faced, corrupt, dog-fucking, child-molesting, murdering, born-again" cunts.
@ponchred If that's what you need to tell yourself to feel safe; go ahead. It doesn't affect me at all. I know truth and have experience spiritual warfare to the utmost. Read about any famous theologian who was constantly attacked by Satan. I think you'll find extremely real accounts--Padre Pio and Martin Luther were such men. You cannot wish the demonic real away with a waive of the hand and shout jabberwocky! You're a fool to do so.
@psalmsurfer1 You wouldn't know truth if it bit you on the bum. You believe in a magic zombie! Wake up!!! Also, what 'spiritual warfare' have you experienced? Did you go on a crusade? Also, those people you mention are the subjects of psychological disorders, not examples of being 'attacked by Satan'. They were known crazies. You have the gall to call me a 'fool', yet you're the one believing in fictional things. You fall for old lies and lap them up with a spoon.
@ponchred They were known crazies eh? Why have you read Luther's works? He was solely responsible for the Protestant Reformation. Turned the Vatican upsidedown. You are not educated so don't speak on things you have no idea about to make yourself sound good. Pio was gifted with 4 supernatural gifts--hardly insane.Labeled insane by his critics and adversaries who spat hatred and envy toward him. (Similar to what you are doing actually.) He was responsible for hundreds of miracles.Stop the drugs.
i met christopher hitchens yesterday and discussed my theory with him. he was very impressed and said it should be made public. i have posted it on you-tube site "un human rights chief highlights australian".
@sjatox Don't bother to dissuade me--I won't turn to the darkside. I don't question or try to analyze the problem with good and evil objective subjective morality etc..if man knew the answers to these questions there would be no more suffering and pain so I just accept the Lord's divine plan. Think what you will and call religious people what you will--they aren't going away ever..they've outlived persecution for centuries..do you really think God will allow total destruction of His people?
@psalmsurfer1 Look at this comment. 'I won't turn to the darkside'. Star Wars much? Do you really think God will allow total destruction of His people? One would ask why is He allowing for any of His people to be destroyed at all? Even though he does. He conveniently allows for all sorts of people to face death on a daily basis, almost like it's a random chance scenario as if there were no God at all?! Hey...wait a minute...
@ponchred I have to let you alone now because you like to hear yourself talk and you are filled with hatred of your fellow man--I leave you in the Lord's hands.
@psalmsurfer1 Explain how any of my posts are based in 'hate'? Where have I said or implied that I hate anyone? If that were true, then why would I be here? Oh, that's right. Anything your mind dreams up is true in your head so because all of this logic and reason stuff conflicts with my beliefs then he's 'hating'! It couldn't be that he's concerned that another human being is having the wool pulled over his eyes and wants to help them out of their brainwashed state? No way?!
@psalmsurfer1 The truth is you can't explain how I 'hate' at all, rather it's just in your perception because you're butt-hurt that what I'm saying makes sense. How do I know it's making sense? Because you just go straight on the attack 'you like to hear yourself talk (guilty btw)' and 'you're filled with hatred'. The fact that I'm willing to repeatedly speak with someone as misguided as you are must surely prove that I am not 'full of hatred'?
@SoetSout Now you've ruffled his feathers. If he attacks you because you called out his ego then his pride will take over because of denial and he will use it against you and make you out to be the bad guy.
@ponchred I can explain easily. You are deceived by Satan's lies and you're not even aware of it. He is the Father of all lies. Jesus was Truth reincarnate so anything that came out of his mouth was hard truth. Read the New Testament and your own blaspheme will be exposed. How can I be misguided by own truth? Its impossible.You claim to have your truth I assume and you will stick by it will you not? Jesus said you are either for me or against me. I don't attack; I defend my faith against folly.
@psalmsurfer1 Notice how every answer you have for anything is a made up character. 'Oh well I can explain easily - your brain is on Satan' whereas all of my answers are real and tangible. I don't rely on what is not here and cannot be experienced to answer all of my questions. But then again, that's just ego I suppose?
@ponchred Made up for you--extremely real for every believer of God on this earth. You'd take heed to listen to old hellfire preaching because you think you know everything too much so for your own good. Just remember, there are no atheists in hell and Satan and his legion are the best theologians in the supernatural realm; the most educated theologian of human history is no match for the simplest demon.
@psalmsurfer1 I did not claim that scientific progress was the purpose of life. I said that the purpose of life is what you choose it to be. I do not believe in the transcendence which you do. I'll just ignore the arrogantly patronising note on which you ended and ask you not to pretend to know that there is an objective purpose to life or that you know what it is.
@samcarr6 Believe it or not..like it or not..arrogant or not..transcendence to an after life is a real thing which every human will ultimately attain when the flesh passes away..which afterlife is determined while you are here.
@psalmsurfer1 That's a load of crap. It's all a bunch of fantasy and why you would even fantasize about a place like Hell is beyond me, unless every person you dislike or disagree with burning for eternity gives you a hard on. Listen to what he says about the fantasy of purity and you'll see he's absolutely correct. How one can believe in the ravings of a bronze age text when we live in such a fantastic age of discovery is beyond me.
@ponchred A load of crap in your mind, but a very real place indeed. You call it a load of crap because it scares the crap out of you to even consider its existence doesn't it? It would scare anyone as it should my friend. All I know is one would not want to end up there..bronze age or no bronze age. Purity is antithesis of the demonic. Franciscan monks take this vow to protect them against demonic possession--which happens to be on the rise and is why the Vatican is teaching exorcism courses.
@psalmsurfer1 It doesn't scare me as it makes no sense whatsoever and it only exists in your mind. And I'll point out that you're a crazy person. No one is going anywhere.
@ponchred And I will turn around and call you the crazy one. One of us has to be right and if you feel while you are alive in the flesh that you are right than so be it. If you think you're above God in being all-knowing then you are in for a sad day of judgment my friend.
@ponchred Furthermore- by denying hell's existence and buying into modern new age discovery you do the work of Satan. He already has you and millions of others right where he wants you. We are moving right into biblical prophecy. The antichrist will show up in the new temple in jerusalem (which btw is already being prepared as prophesied by Daniel) and from that day will demand worship. You better hope God has bestowed His grace upon you at that point.
@psalmsurfer1 Satan doesn't exist. It's all made up, child. And it's alright, the antichrist can demand all he likes. I'm not 'worshipping' anybody. These delusions you're having need to be checked out by a medical professional. And I don't need God, because God obviously doesn't exist. I proved it once.
@ponchred You've been duped.Padre Pio described many encounters with devils. His accounts for his director in 1911 in the monastery of Venafro are particularly vivid.he devil would appear to him as an ugly black cat, or in the shape of a truly repugnant animal. The obvious intent was to fill him with terror. Other times demons came as nude young girls to test his chastity. The devil tried to deceive him in the form of one of his superiors or in sacred form (Jesus, the Virgin, or St. Francis).
@psalmsurfer1 The obvious answer is that Padre Pio was either insane or a liar. Probably both. I'm not about to listen to one rambling old man when 99% of us who are not crazy know that devils don't exist and we refrain from letting our imaginations run away with us.
@ponchred Ironic because that's how they try to portray Jesus; either liar lunatic or Lord. And as far as demons are concerned; you cannot see the wind; yet you don't question its existence do you..ask any hardcore Satanist if demons exist..perfect example is the Winchester House in California. The dimensions throughout the house sum to the # 13 as demons gave instruction to Sarah Winchester while the house was under construction.
@psalmsurfer1 You're a moron. The 'wind' can be measured. It can be qualified. It is not 'nothing' merely because your eyes don't see it. We know all about 'wind'. Unlike the hot air that you spew. God, angels, devils and pixies are all figments of an overactive imagination. And for the record, the Satanists are just as screwy as your lot.
@ponchred I am sitting here laughing at your inflated ego and pure hatred for a person you don't even know on a computer screen. I bet it feels good doesn't it? To bash someone because of a belief that doesn't even involve your participation or even your opinion? Were you abused as a child? Someone or something wronged you in the past so you rebelled and blamed society,God, women, the church,colleges, corporate America and the like..you blamed everyone but yourself. I bet you hate yourself.
@psalmsurfer1 Wow. What a deep dismantling of my very psyche. I'm hurt! Not really, rather I think you're particularly stupid. You don't like anyone adding common sense to your little fantasy world so you lash out and badly at that. You just can't handle a person who doesn't need the same silly crutch you lean on. It's a silly, timewasting practice and I bet it upsets you that I love myself and my family with absolutely no assistance from a made up boogeyman. Lol.
@ponchred See the problem is you think you know everything and the only way to defend your ignorance in fear of admitting the truth or even seeing both sides is to label people insane who have viable justifiable faith. I'm college educated with a science background so the insane label doesn't apply here sorry to burst your bubble.
@psalmsurfer1 No it's not. I call you 'insane' because you believe insane things that cannot possibly be true. I couldn't give a crap whether you're the dean of a science institute, you're still bonkers due to your beliefs (but then again you denounce modern science in many posts so I cannot see how your claim is true). The fact that you believe in zombies and magic would indicate that you have little education sorry to burst your bubble.
@ponchred So you must call Dr.John Lennox of Oxford/Cambridge, famed Mathematician with multiple degrees, also a devout believer, insane and a lunatic?
@psalmsurfer1 If he isn't a lunatic, then he's been decieved and I think people of any intelligence level can be decieved. Either way, I've never met the person you refer to and from your description I'd say he has book smarts but no life smarts if he truly believes there's a God.
@psalmsurfer1 And furthermore if you have a 'science background' to your astounding education, would you not be guilty of doing 'the devil's work'?! Eegads!!!!!
@ponchred To the contrary..do you know how many Christian scientists have contributed to what we know today? Maybe you'll recognize these names: Newton, Joule, Bacon, Kelvin, Morse, Linnaeus, Pasteur, Cuvier, Pascal, Boyle, and Faraday to name a few.
@psalmsurfer1 But you said it yourself!!! Would you like me to quote you? You said 'by buying into modern new age discovery you do the work of Satan'. So all of these so called christian scientists were doing the devils work? Would you like to tell us any more conflicting bullshit today? I'd be surprised if you put your shoes on the right feet at this stage. Educated indeed!
@ponchred Friend, you are a classic case of such repressive denial about God (prompted by demonic influence undoubtedly) that I pray for your soul. I am perfectly sane friend and live a normal existence with a job and family. You can cast stones at me all you want but until the scales have fallen from your eyes and the Spirit convicts you I can say no more to help your spiritual blindness.
@psalmsurfer1 You crazies have been predicting Revelations for YEARS and it never happens when you say it will. And the fact is it never will. This is all a delusion you are under to try to make yourself out to be smarter, purer and superior to other people because 'you know something they don't'. And the truth is, you don't. But believe my unprovable, baseless delusion! And it is never happening. What will happen is man will kill man. God won't intervene for anyone. He isn't home.
@ponchred Don't lump biblically educated Christians in with the uneducated false teachers of prophecy. Any student of the Bible knows biblical prophecies that are expected in the future do not have an exact date..only God knows-not even angels know as Jesus said in the NT.I don't think myself smarter or better than anyone sir. It is simply what I hold to be true-who I am in character has zero to do with God's plan. Think and believe what you wish--words are just words until judgment day.
@psalmsurfer1 'Biblically educated'? How about just being 'educated' and not believing in talking snakes, zombies or virgin births because these things do not exist. They are made up. There is no other reasonable assumption you can make when presented with such nonsense. To call it 'truth' is laughable.
@psalmsurfer1 Such an easy cop out that one, isn't it? Oh, someone doesn't believe my ridiculous, made up, impossible beliefs as I'll tell him he's blinded by an equally made up, ridiculous character. I bet you believe in fairies, and unicorns and that you check under your bed every night for the boogeyman too. Shouldn't God strike me down if I blaspheme? Just more proof that there is no God. Thanks for helping us establish that...
@ponchred Go ahead; keep casting stones. You don't know me or my story, but I've seen your videos. You sit alone in your room playing music all day probably smoking reefer to the point where you've lost all your brain cells. Tragic. What have you done to contribute to society? What's going to be your legacy? I sat in my room hiding in fear and casting stones at people behind my computer because I was too afraid to admit to myself I could never grow up and be a real man of integrity?
@psalmsurfer1 Ha. Who's casting stones now?! Suddenly this is about how much I've contributed to society and some story you've conjured about me having the time to sit in my room all day. My legacy just to guess would be my sucessful radio career which affords me plenty of money for 'reefer'. LOLOL. Your last sentence doesn't even make sense so it's difficult to mock.
@psalmsurfer1 I've thought of something obvious that I have contributed to society apart from tax money! Music! I would think that recording songs that people have enjoyed (at least they told me they did) would be a grand contribution. And I have no idea why I cannot be a 'man of integrity' just because I don't believe your idiotic hellfire tales. I'll also point out that I don't fear life. People who do need a God to blame everything on. And that would be you. Lol.
@ponchred What do aging atheists talk about while they wait to die? Do they discuss the legacy of morality, decency, integrity?
Spiritual sensitivity they leave to the children...
Or all the good they have done in the world?
The hospitals, orphanages, elevation of womanhood. Or perhaps the great work against communism?There is so much for an aging atheist to look forward to.Old atheists never die, they just go to hell--See, Satan gives the best first- the worst last.
@psalmsurfer1 Atheists don't 'wait to die'. That's such a christian way of looking at things. We get out there and taste the entire world as if it were our only chance. Spiritual sensitivity is a phrase that actually doesn't mean anything. If people spent less time worrying about such things then they'd be happier. Why does there have to be anything else? And you don't know what that is so you just make it up anyway so what's the point? Satan and Jesus are imaginary charaters.
@ponchred There actually may have been a carpenter around the biblical era known as Jesus Christ. However, whether or not he was the son of God or the re-incarnation etc. cannot be known.
@ponchred Also-Daniel predicted the fall of the 4 world-ruling empires of Babylon, Medo-Persian, Greek, and Roman. All were destroyed as prophesied. We await a pending prophecy found in Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 4:18. Jesus read from Is.61:2 but stopped at " to proclaim the acceptable year of our Lord." He then closed the book. He did not read:"and the day of vengeance of our God" because we await that day. Jesus came not to avenge 2k ya but to be a savior for those who needed it before the avenging.
@psalmsurfer1 Yet another baseless rambling spew of nonsense. Where is Jesus? Where is the anti-christ? There will be no vengeance. We have more chance of being invaded by space aliens than for anything in the bible to actually come to pass. Referencing predictions from thousands of years ago that may or may not have actually happened from a book rife with lies is NOT evidence. The bible is a story book. Nothing more. You may as well worship Lord of the Rings.
@psalmsurfer1 So by 'buying into modern new age discorvery' I'm doing the devils work and I should just sit here an take the words of a 2000 yr old story book to heart, and ignore the mountain of modern evidence against said nonsensical religion, especially when you nothing you've said has been backed by a shred of explanation. You're the worst kind of believer as you believe with no reason. I doubt you've ever dared to question any of your beliefs.
@ponchred You don't know me from Adam buddy.Don't judge me bro you don't know what I've been through in my life or why I believe the things I do..I don't care if you never pick up the Word or not--that is your fate not mine.
@psalmsurfer1 Why should it matter? You've judged me publicly as a reclusive pothead which is so slanderous it's not funny, but you're too precious to have your fluffy little feelings hurt? Give me a break. And let me tell you about your fate. At the last moment, when you realise your pious life has been for nothing, you'll be the one counting off a list of regrets, not me. I enjoy life. You fear it. Hence, you're a moron.
@psalmsurfer1 And I'll point out that even though I don't 'know you' I must be cutting pretty close to the bone given the effort you're putting in to try and make me feel bad (an impossible task btw). I bet I'm right. You've never questioned a word of your faith, and only now are you starting to realise how you've been decieved. You see, it shows with how you suddenly went on the 'you don't know me' angle without even attempting to qualify yourself. Classic.
@psalmsurfer1 What exactly is the purpose of life then. In your universe this is all one big test of credulousness, this "loving god" has set this up and makes salvation depend on believing in him on bad evidence. The purpose of science is the pursuit of knowledge and wisdom, the purpose of life is what you choose it to be. Don't you try and tell me what my purpose is.
@samcarr6 The purpose of this life is not the futile pursuit of the advancement of scientific ideas; although beneficial to humans while here- it is like man only finite and will do no good when you are dust and ashes. The deeper existential plight of man is human transcendence. If you don't know what that means go look it up.
@psalmsurfer1 Then stop going to the doctor when you are sick. Doctors just use that silly science stuff. Die sooner. Go to Heaven faster. Just me lookin' out for you. :)
An important note to all the believers quoting religion and religious texts - We (the atheists) do not believe. It is not a question of what we don't believe in, we simply lack this 'power' (mental handicap, in my opinion) of belief. We can be persuaded that something is probably true with evidence, but we cannot accept your concept of faith based on a belief.
@weetyskemian44 This is why if you truly want to believe but cannot yet-ask the Lord to bestow that grace upon you. We believe by His grace;not in of ourselves. It was given us.Just listen to any great conversion story and this is the result of God-given grace.
It's sad to watch a man throw away his own salvation. What is even more sad is that there are people that idolize him. They idolize a person that made a career insulting others not to mention he was a self proclaimed Marxist.. Sad..
@imax1971 You don't get it, do you? Salvation at the price of spending one's existence singing praises to a tyrant? No thank you. Give me freedom or give me Hell! I'll take it. Plenty of my loved ones are already there. Fuck an evil god like that. Oh, and by the way, I deny the Holy Spirit!
@backwoodsninja I wasn't raised in a religious household. I became a religious man as an adult. The Catholic faith has changed my life for the better. I have a different outlook on my life as well as my view of fellow human beings.. I am a better person because of my faith in Jesus. If you consider me a "slave" for now being happier and loving my neighbor, then I'm happy for the chains.. Hitchens wasn't a wise man, friend. His heart was filled with hate.. Open your heart Jesus.
@TomFynn Like you drink the Hitchens Kool-Aid?... There is a bit of a difference here. The Kool-Aid I'm drinking is from Jesus Christ. My faith in him has had a positive effect on my life. The Kool-Aid you're drinking is from a man that was a self proclaimed Marxist and made a career out of insulting people.. Hitchens is not one to be admired, friend..
@imax1971 "Hitchens is not one to be admired, friend" Au contraire. A man who is not afraid to speak his mind - like Hitchens - is always to be admired and followed. But then, one can not expect a sheeple like you to understand that.
"The Kool-Aid I'm drinking is from Jesus Christ." My point exactly. Now go away and be a good sheeple.
@TomFynn "A man who is not afraid to speak his mind - like Hitchens - is always to be admired and followed"... So you admit you are one of his "sheeple"... What good has come of your following of the hate filled Marxist?
"Now go away and be a good sheeple".... I will. I will continue to live my life as morally as I can and to help my fellow man to the best of my ability. Is there something wrong with that?
@backwoodsninja You joke about Hell as if it doesn't exist. You may want to read Dante's Inferno and Purgatorio..Pilgrim's Progress..or any revival preacher giving a sermon on Hell. Do not mock the Spirit I urge you to repent.
@psalmsurfer1 I've read Dante's Divine Comedy. It is a fine piece of literature. Very political in nature. Revival preachers? What would they know? Except how to lie to people for money.
@backwoodsninja Dwight L.Moody never lied to anyone. You mistake revival for evangelist or "feel-good" preaching..HUGE difference buddy. Hellfire preachers aren't it for money trust me because they are the antithesis of feelgood preaching. Noone wants to hear about hell..even believers..people dont want to acknowledge an eternal judgment. They either repress God altogether and rebel or gather at Joel Osteen services where everything is "gonna be okay" . Learn the theological difference.
@psalmsurfer1 That's because Hell doesn't exist and deep down people know it's a lie and it makes people feel bad that there isn't really a place of punishment for evil people. Hellfire preachers are in it for just as much money as the feel good ones. They just target a more extreme audience yet rake in the same amount of dollars.
@psalmsurfer1 Either way, doesn't make it true. Do you actually believe Dante saw Hell? I don't think Dante ever even made such a claim. A good story doesn't make for a factual account.
@backwoodsninja So far even CH or Richard Dawkins or any other self-proclaimed atheist hasn't proved there isn't a Hell otherwise so I'll go with what Jesus taught in the New Testament thanks..
@psalmsurfer1 Because that's how life works in your sciencey-educated brain. I bet you're terrified of giant lizard bats purely because Richard Dawkins can't prove they don't exist. You're such a retard.
@imax1971 It's sadder to watch a person throw their life away worshipping something that doesn't exist as if it did. If someone wants to idolise Hitch I'd say 'at least he existed'...
Religion is a tool for war and "unkind" things.
Religion is also a tool for the weak minded to live their live.
Who is to say if you get rid of religion people will not start war at exactly the same frequency but to join a different clubs, race, region, language, professions, class status, etc?
Religion is nothing but a club for the weak minded. We should treat them as such, no religion schools, no religion in politics, and no religion for war. Just like 2 book club don't go to mutual war.
garytcw 17 hours ago
shame well never get to see bush vs hitchens
dramon231 2 weeks ago
@dramon231 i think anyone would debating with bush would be entertaining, in fact, i think no debate is required. just let bush dig his own grave. hitchens would let off a nuclear attack to rain down upon him :)
ramboormark 2 weeks ago
I have much more respect for MR Hitchens than I have for an invisible non existent god .RIP
1marceltony 2 weeks ago
No mortal debates The Hitch and does so successfully. Not in this fucking life. Nor in the next. Hitch was and remains the greatest of thinkers. And if there is a God, which is not a likely story, then even God must be applauding Christopher.
MrAnthonyVance 2 weeks ago
Who's gonna do the necessary Hitch-slapping of the Catholic church nowadays just when we need it most? His pointing out the immorality of those wealthy men in Rome controlling women's bodies, the acting through state players to deny condoms etc. to those at such high risk of HIV (The Philippines, various African nations, etc.), the covering up of church- sponsored child abuse for decades, the promoting of wars, the selling (and hence promotion) of sin as easily forgivable thus giving it license.
Tsnore 2 weeks ago 3
blair still looking for a loophole he will fall thru it when he he makes enough to think he has found it very sad man indeed
OtherTwin 2 weeks ago
Evidence there is no God: Hitchens is gone and Tony Blair is still with us.
libertyordeaf 2 weeks ago 35
@libertyordeaf Is that the best evidence you can present?
stanfrymann 1 week ago
@stanfrymann No, that was called a joke. Interesting that you can't tell the difference between one and the other.
libertyordeaf 1 week ago 2
@libertyordeaf brilliant comment!! hehehe. I think Hitchens' one blind spot in his remarkable intellect was his hagiography of Tony Blair. It shows he was human I suppose. I also think that because he was in the US when Blair was PM he didn't realise how he was destroying the UK.
newcjon 1 day ago
@5:08 HO ROFL!
MrNintoku 3 weeks ago
Tony Blair was shitting in his pants at the thought of having to debate Hitchens.
IntoDust24 3 weeks ago 22
Blair the worst type of gurning hypocritical politician/religious loon,Its hilarious that he is a middle east peace envoy.
Leinster4life13 3 weeks ago
@Leinster4life13
I know, you couldn't make it up. It's like if Harold Shipman was appointed head of Age Concern.
ellenmeilee 3 weeks ago
@ellenmeilee haha true, but Blair is responsible for way more death and misery then Shipman.
Leinster4life13 3 weeks ago
@Leinster4life13
Correct Dude.
ellenmeilee 2 weeks ago
@Leinster4life13 The fact that he calls himself a socialist whilst counting his millions in one of his many homes is even more hilarious.
MrFrontallobotomy 2 weeks ago
@MrFrontallobotomy totally,he has zero integrity
Leinster4life13 2 weeks ago
I love the way hitchens speaks, miss him
anthftskk 3 weeks ago
Miss you Hitch!
socalcraigster 3 weeks ago
Gone too soon, and missed by many.
brianburleigh 3 weeks ago
You can't argue with this man's genius. Spot on correct on religion .... the greatest load of fake nonsense and superstition and the source of immeasurable evil in the world. I watch the numbers of atheists rise year on year and I smile. Some day.
leizuoer 3 weeks ago
@pithie84 Don't be mad at me. Be mad at your parents. Or just do what psalmsurfer does and make up an imaginary deity to be mad at. ;-)
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@ponchred what are you butt-hurt now?
psalmsurfer1 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 I love that you're to the point of distress that you're stealing my lines. Classic.
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 Satan, God, Jesus and your precious Easter Bunny don't exist. It's all in your mind and you only cling to this security blanket because of years of instruction. Your weak mind has been fooled by the greatest lie of all time yet you refuse to aknowledge what is real over what is imaginary.
ponchred 4 weeks ago
@ponchred what about father christmas?
pithie84 3 weeks ago
@pithie84 Try tugging his beard if you see him. He's just a guy in a fancy suit. Like say...a priest or a pastor!
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@ponchred my parents lied to me.... to find this out at the young and tender age of 27, this will leave scars, i hope your happy withyourself!!!!
pithie84 3 weeks ago
@ponchred Listen to me and listen to me good because you like to hear yourself talk and I'm about to give you a lesson in theology 101; when one goes through a dramatic conversion (St Augustine, St Paul etc) the pull towards God'a will following that is so strong and undeniable that you can fight it for a time, but you ultimately lose that battle. Hundreds of these types of conversions happen every day. Are you really this clueless about Christianity and theology?
psalmsurfer1 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 You listen to me, and make sure you take your own advice and 'listen good'. God is a figment of your imagination. He doesn't exist. He doesn't write magic books. You believe everything these people tell you, every story more nonsensical than the next but their hold on you is so strong that it's impossible for you to listen to reason. Everything with you is 'but Jesus said' and 'but this happened to Padre Pio' WHO CARES?! It's nonsense. Grow a brain and WAKE UP!!!!
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 Your mind is so infected by nonsensical stories that when you actually hear something reasonable, your brain goes - well that has nothing to do with talking animals, magical feats or zombies so it mustn't be true, WHICH IN ITSELF IS LUDICROUS!!!!!
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@ponchred Zombies, capital letters, rude insults, ridicule, myths, fairies, giants, talking animals, anger etc..your hatred and mocking does nothing to the power of God in my life and how He has worked through me to help others around me.Your deliverance alone testifies to your pure hatred of the things of the Lord and anyone who believes. Then again, Satan has you so blind and deceived that you don't even believe in Satan which is right where that soul destroyer wants you.
psalmsurfer1 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 If I 'hate' anything it's ignorance. You constantly bore people with tales of how Puff the magic Dragon is going to eat your soul, and it's all bullshit. You use words like 'deliverance' without even knowing their meaning. It shows your lack of education which is another factor of why you hold so dearly on to fantasy. Satan has nothing to do with anything. He's a figment of your overactive imagination. BTW your made up 'Jesus' is a zombie. Walking dead. Impossible.
ponchred 3 weeks ago
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psalmsurfer1 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 Yes. You're ignorant to the world around you and how it actually works. You would rather leave it all to a made up deitys. I am not ignorant. I am grown up enough to know there's no God, Jesus, Satan, Zeus...take your pick. Each one is as made up as the other, but this is what you believe yet you have the hide to call me 'ignorant' just because I won't join you in believing in tall tales and lies. You ignore the truth and instead make it up in your mind. I pity you.
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@ponchred Jesus is the truth, the way and the life. No man can come to the Father except through Him. Every knee shall indeed bow. Might as well ask to be saved because as Howard Jones once said in a song, "when you cross that line, there's no turning back.."
psalmsurfer1 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 Meaningless line invented in the distant pass to scare people into submission. They don't work on rational adults. They only work on religious sheeple.
leizuoer 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 Oh, and nice job refuting a single word I've said because you haven't. Rather all you've done is what you (wrongly) accuse me of doing. Lol. Leave it to me to weed out the hypocrites.
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@ponchred Yeah, leave it to you. Pat yourself on the back like you've been doing your whole life. Your ego reeks of pathological narcissism. I refute everything you say. But as an atheist it is your job to disagree genius.
psalmsurfer1 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 You know nothing about my life. So don't pretend you do just because you have that cookie cutter christian view of 'the enemy'. I live a good life and am a good person. And I can do it without Gods and fairies. I know that pisses you off.
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@ponchred Again, sticks and stones...there's a thing called maturity. Stop hiding behind your computer, guitar and sex drugs and rock and roll life and take responsibility for your life unless you are scared to look in the mirror. Its never too late to change your life for the better bro. Insults and ridicule lead to hatred- you scorn and mock God's people - a people that have persevered for thousands of years and aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They will be the last ones standing. Trust me
psalmsurfer1 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 AHA! For one thing, I don't hide behind a computer, I OWN one like millions of people do. Playing guitar is wrong? Having sex is wrong? I love having sex but according to you it makes me a bad person. So sorry! I don't know why you slanderously suggest I love drugs so much but you love making up all you believe. I love my life and that just pisses you off that I can do that without a crutch. Music and sex are 2 great things to enjoy in life. Sad you think otherwise.
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@ponchred I didn't say playing guitar is wrong..I happen to play 3 instruments guitar being one drums and piano the other as well as sing except I use my talent to give glory to God. You don't piss me off at all..you amuse me with your know-all mentality. Who uses a crutch? I use a crutch when only when I injure myself playing sports. Music and sex are nice things to enjoy as I'm a hobby and p/t musician but sex was given to us by God to be used reverently not by scumbags who use women.
psalmsurfer1 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 You impled it. I can point out exactly where you did so don't be a hypocrite. And YOU use a crutch. A made up lie of a crutch called Jesus to make yourself feel better about how shithouse your life is. Haha!
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 Sex given by God? Where's that part in Genesis? LMAO. Give me a break! The religious sheeple think they have a monopoly on sex. Sex is a method of reproduction used by approx 98% of species on the planet. It's an evolved trait which reduces the chances of harmful mutations in our DNA by allowing us to combine healthy genes through fertilisation. It's very pleasurable because it makes evolutionary sense to associate pleasure with perpetuation of the species.
leizuoer 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 And you won't be the last ones standing. You'll die like all cult members do by sacrificing yourselves. And it can't come quick enough. You've already tasted the Kool Aid...
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@ponchred The kool-aid tastes pretty good to be honest and I don't get a hangover and look like a bus backed over me like you probably do every sat morning.
psalmsurfer1 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 Wrong again. I actually don't drink alcohol. Whoa! The atheist can make positive decisions without God!!! Whaaaaa??????
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 And you have a hide to talk to anyone about maturity seeing you believe in magic, angels and other made up things. Why would I wqant to change my life for the worse by believing the silly shit you do?
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@ponchred Change your life for the worse? lol Ask any converted Christian what their life was like before and after conversion. If even one says worse I will go back to running with the devil alongside david lee roth.
psalmsurfer1 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 Yes I've seen them and the placebo effect created by conversion. Those people just give up and WANT to be controlled. They want their decisions made for them because they have lost their strength. Christianity preys and relies on it. Have you seen the positive effects of someone throwing off the shackles of religion? Once they're free of the cult? Freeing yourself of the cult doesn't mean you have to go back on drugs or bad Van Halen songs...
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 "guitar and sex drugs and rock and roll life" Envy much? Newsflash: You do not get to talk down to others when your nick sounds like a handjob.
TomFynn 3 weeks ago
@TomFynn Envy? Why..I came from that lifestyle and found it empty..just ask Brian Head Welch; ex Korn guitarist..you see where that lifestyle got him..almost sent him to the grave 6 ft under..yeah..what a glorious thing to envy..now he gives glory to the one Lord Jesus Christ with his music. Nick name? You mean username? You wouldn't know a psalm or a surfboard if either hit you in the cranium.
psalmsurfer1 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 "lifestyle"? You have no idea what you are talking about. And if that Korn guy switched one hallucinogens for the other, that's his problem.
TomFynn 3 weeks ago
@TomFynn No I think I do sir. Did you read Head's story? If not you should be silent.
psalmsurfer1 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 Ah, piling up the anecdotes. No. What's in Head's head does not count.
TomFynn 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 You're using that loser as an example? Head was so drug-fucked that he couldn't make a decent decision in the first place. Enter the church to take full advantage. As Tom says, he just swapped one drug for another. If anything he's even more of a loony now. What a horrible example. Christians should stay away from rock n roll music. It's not for them.
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@Antipopularization You can't say 'there may have' been a person existing, then pontificate on said supernatural powers. Point me to a valid historical record from the time of his proposed existence. You can't because it doesn't exist. Hence 'Jesus' is a fabrication designed to play on the fears of fools.
ponchred 4 weeks ago
I so very much wanted to see Phony Blair do a facepalm; when Hitch spoke of "lying, cheating, thieving, two-faced, corrupt, dog-fucking, child-molesting, murdering, born-again" cunts.
At least I think that's what he said.
johnpetermalcolm 4 weeks ago
I miss you so much Hitch!!! <33333
phillnchill 4 weeks ago
RIP man.. You were definitely a good one. Will be dearly missed.
ZakAust 4 weeks ago
Fear mistaken for love and awe can make one believe some pretty incredible things my friend. I hope you'll figure it out one day..
dukedalington 4 weeks ago
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gtwynet 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 Look at all your wasted time typing nonsense, tragic.
EvilAntic 1 month ago
@EvilAntic I recognize Satan's words when I see them; touche.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 Because you have a direct line to Satan as well I suppose? When are you going to give up this little fantasy? None of it is real.
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@ponchred If that's what you need to tell yourself to feel safe; go ahead. It doesn't affect me at all. I know truth and have experience spiritual warfare to the utmost. Read about any famous theologian who was constantly attacked by Satan. I think you'll find extremely real accounts--Padre Pio and Martin Luther were such men. You cannot wish the demonic real away with a waive of the hand and shout jabberwocky! You're a fool to do so.
psalmsurfer1 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 You wouldn't know truth if it bit you on the bum. You believe in a magic zombie! Wake up!!! Also, what 'spiritual warfare' have you experienced? Did you go on a crusade? Also, those people you mention are the subjects of psychological disorders, not examples of being 'attacked by Satan'. They were known crazies. You have the gall to call me a 'fool', yet you're the one believing in fictional things. You fall for old lies and lap them up with a spoon.
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@ponchred They were known crazies eh? Why have you read Luther's works? He was solely responsible for the Protestant Reformation. Turned the Vatican upsidedown. You are not educated so don't speak on things you have no idea about to make yourself sound good. Pio was gifted with 4 supernatural gifts--hardly insane.Labeled insane by his critics and adversaries who spat hatred and envy toward him. (Similar to what you are doing actually.) He was responsible for hundreds of miracles.Stop the drugs.
psalmsurfer1 3 weeks ago
Christopher Hitchens, Like a Boss
Nixel85 1 month ago
I actually *can* name a religion that doesn't denegrate women..Wicca.
proud2bpagan 1 month ago
Hitchens. My man
MrR0o 1 month ago
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i met christopher hitchens yesterday and discussed my theory with him. he was very impressed and said it should be made public. i have posted it on you-tube site "un human rights chief highlights australian".
figbat1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1
Why is your god the right one? Are you really satisfied with an old book full of hate and poor emagination?
Religious people are narcisists to the extreme.
"the devil as a cat, as a girl" - yup blame your horny mind on girls and burn them for misleading you. What a load of ignorant stupidity.
Why does god kill a child every second? And why create a hell? Maybe he likes to see freethinkers suffer.
Religion is holding our species back.
sjatox 1 month ago
@sjatox Don't bother to dissuade me--I won't turn to the darkside. I don't question or try to analyze the problem with good and evil objective subjective morality etc..if man knew the answers to these questions there would be no more suffering and pain so I just accept the Lord's divine plan. Think what you will and call religious people what you will--they aren't going away ever..they've outlived persecution for centuries..do you really think God will allow total destruction of His people?
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 Look at this comment. 'I won't turn to the darkside'. Star Wars much? Do you really think God will allow total destruction of His people? One would ask why is He allowing for any of His people to be destroyed at all? Even though he does. He conveniently allows for all sorts of people to face death on a daily basis, almost like it's a random chance scenario as if there were no God at all?! Hey...wait a minute...
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred I have to let you alone now because you like to hear yourself talk and you are filled with hatred of your fellow man--I leave you in the Lord's hands.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 Explain how any of my posts are based in 'hate'? Where have I said or implied that I hate anyone? If that were true, then why would I be here? Oh, that's right. Anything your mind dreams up is true in your head so because all of this logic and reason stuff conflicts with my beliefs then he's 'hating'! It couldn't be that he's concerned that another human being is having the wool pulled over his eyes and wants to help them out of their brainwashed state? No way?!
ponchred 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 The truth is you can't explain how I 'hate' at all, rather it's just in your perception because you're butt-hurt that what I'm saying makes sense. How do I know it's making sense? Because you just go straight on the attack 'you like to hear yourself talk (guilty btw)' and 'you're filled with hatred'. The fact that I'm willing to repeatedly speak with someone as misguided as you are must surely prove that I am not 'full of hatred'?
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred not necessarily, it can prove also you have ego problems. not saying it is, just saying it can be misinterpreted.
SoetSout 1 month ago
@SoetSout Now you've ruffled his feathers. If he attacks you because you called out his ego then his pride will take over because of denial and he will use it against you and make you out to be the bad guy.
psalmsurfer1 4 weeks ago
@SoetSout Nonsense.
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@ponchred I can explain easily. You are deceived by Satan's lies and you're not even aware of it. He is the Father of all lies. Jesus was Truth reincarnate so anything that came out of his mouth was hard truth. Read the New Testament and your own blaspheme will be exposed. How can I be misguided by own truth? Its impossible.You claim to have your truth I assume and you will stick by it will you not? Jesus said you are either for me or against me. I don't attack; I defend my faith against folly.
psalmsurfer1 4 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 Notice how every answer you have for anything is a made up character. 'Oh well I can explain easily - your brain is on Satan' whereas all of my answers are real and tangible. I don't rely on what is not here and cannot be experienced to answer all of my questions. But then again, that's just ego I suppose?
ponchred 3 weeks ago
@ponchred Made up for you--extremely real for every believer of God on this earth. You'd take heed to listen to old hellfire preaching because you think you know everything too much so for your own good. Just remember, there are no atheists in hell and Satan and his legion are the best theologians in the supernatural realm; the most educated theologian of human history is no match for the simplest demon.
psalmsurfer1 3 weeks ago
@psalmsurfer1 How do you know this?
samcarr6 1 month ago
@samcarr6 I don't claim to know more than God. I rely on scriptures solely.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 That is your first mistake.
wraith168 4 weeks ago
a man who see's facts...yummy
69whitechalkie 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 I did not claim that scientific progress was the purpose of life. I said that the purpose of life is what you choose it to be. I do not believe in the transcendence which you do. I'll just ignore the arrogantly patronising note on which you ended and ask you not to pretend to know that there is an objective purpose to life or that you know what it is.
samcarr6 1 month ago
@samcarr6 Believe it or not..like it or not..arrogant or not..transcendence to an after life is a real thing which every human will ultimately attain when the flesh passes away..which afterlife is determined while you are here.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 That's a load of crap. It's all a bunch of fantasy and why you would even fantasize about a place like Hell is beyond me, unless every person you dislike or disagree with burning for eternity gives you a hard on. Listen to what he says about the fantasy of purity and you'll see he's absolutely correct. How one can believe in the ravings of a bronze age text when we live in such a fantastic age of discovery is beyond me.
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred A load of crap in your mind, but a very real place indeed. You call it a load of crap because it scares the crap out of you to even consider its existence doesn't it? It would scare anyone as it should my friend. All I know is one would not want to end up there..bronze age or no bronze age. Purity is antithesis of the demonic. Franciscan monks take this vow to protect them against demonic possession--which happens to be on the rise and is why the Vatican is teaching exorcism courses.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 It doesn't scare me as it makes no sense whatsoever and it only exists in your mind. And I'll point out that you're a crazy person. No one is going anywhere.
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred And I will turn around and call you the crazy one. One of us has to be right and if you feel while you are alive in the flesh that you are right than so be it. If you think you're above God in being all-knowing then you are in for a sad day of judgment my friend.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@ponchred Furthermore- by denying hell's existence and buying into modern new age discovery you do the work of Satan. He already has you and millions of others right where he wants you. We are moving right into biblical prophecy. The antichrist will show up in the new temple in jerusalem (which btw is already being prepared as prophesied by Daniel) and from that day will demand worship. You better hope God has bestowed His grace upon you at that point.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 Satan doesn't exist. It's all made up, child. And it's alright, the antichrist can demand all he likes. I'm not 'worshipping' anybody. These delusions you're having need to be checked out by a medical professional. And I don't need God, because God obviously doesn't exist. I proved it once.
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred You've been duped.Padre Pio described many encounters with devils. His accounts for his director in 1911 in the monastery of Venafro are particularly vivid.he devil would appear to him as an ugly black cat, or in the shape of a truly repugnant animal. The obvious intent was to fill him with terror. Other times demons came as nude young girls to test his chastity. The devil tried to deceive him in the form of one of his superiors or in sacred form (Jesus, the Virgin, or St. Francis).
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 The obvious answer is that Padre Pio was either insane or a liar. Probably both. I'm not about to listen to one rambling old man when 99% of us who are not crazy know that devils don't exist and we refrain from letting our imaginations run away with us.
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred Ironic because that's how they try to portray Jesus; either liar lunatic or Lord. And as far as demons are concerned; you cannot see the wind; yet you don't question its existence do you..ask any hardcore Satanist if demons exist..perfect example is the Winchester House in California. The dimensions throughout the house sum to the # 13 as demons gave instruction to Sarah Winchester while the house was under construction.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 You're a moron. The 'wind' can be measured. It can be qualified. It is not 'nothing' merely because your eyes don't see it. We know all about 'wind'. Unlike the hot air that you spew. God, angels, devils and pixies are all figments of an overactive imagination. And for the record, the Satanists are just as screwy as your lot.
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred I am sitting here laughing at your inflated ego and pure hatred for a person you don't even know on a computer screen. I bet it feels good doesn't it? To bash someone because of a belief that doesn't even involve your participation or even your opinion? Were you abused as a child? Someone or something wronged you in the past so you rebelled and blamed society,God, women, the church,colleges, corporate America and the like..you blamed everyone but yourself. I bet you hate yourself.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 Wow. What a deep dismantling of my very psyche. I'm hurt! Not really, rather I think you're particularly stupid. You don't like anyone adding common sense to your little fantasy world so you lash out and badly at that. You just can't handle a person who doesn't need the same silly crutch you lean on. It's a silly, timewasting practice and I bet it upsets you that I love myself and my family with absolutely no assistance from a made up boogeyman. Lol.
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred See the problem is you think you know everything and the only way to defend your ignorance in fear of admitting the truth or even seeing both sides is to label people insane who have viable justifiable faith. I'm college educated with a science background so the insane label doesn't apply here sorry to burst your bubble.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 No it's not. I call you 'insane' because you believe insane things that cannot possibly be true. I couldn't give a crap whether you're the dean of a science institute, you're still bonkers due to your beliefs (but then again you denounce modern science in many posts so I cannot see how your claim is true). The fact that you believe in zombies and magic would indicate that you have little education sorry to burst your bubble.
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred So you must call Dr.John Lennox of Oxford/Cambridge, famed Mathematician with multiple degrees, also a devout believer, insane and a lunatic?
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 If he isn't a lunatic, then he's been decieved and I think people of any intelligence level can be decieved. Either way, I've never met the person you refer to and from your description I'd say he has book smarts but no life smarts if he truly believes there's a God.
ponchred 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 And furthermore if you have a 'science background' to your astounding education, would you not be guilty of doing 'the devil's work'?! Eegads!!!!!
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred To the contrary..do you know how many Christian scientists have contributed to what we know today? Maybe you'll recognize these names: Newton, Joule, Bacon, Kelvin, Morse, Linnaeus, Pasteur, Cuvier, Pascal, Boyle, and Faraday to name a few.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 But you said it yourself!!! Would you like me to quote you? You said 'by buying into modern new age discovery you do the work of Satan'. So all of these so called christian scientists were doing the devils work? Would you like to tell us any more conflicting bullshit today? I'd be surprised if you put your shoes on the right feet at this stage. Educated indeed!
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred Friend, you are a classic case of such repressive denial about God (prompted by demonic influence undoubtedly) that I pray for your soul. I am perfectly sane friend and live a normal existence with a job and family. You can cast stones at me all you want but until the scales have fallen from your eyes and the Spirit convicts you I can say no more to help your spiritual blindness.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 What scales on my eyes? You believe I'm under a demonic influence? You probably watch way too much Supernatural, amirite?
ponchred 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 You crazies have been predicting Revelations for YEARS and it never happens when you say it will. And the fact is it never will. This is all a delusion you are under to try to make yourself out to be smarter, purer and superior to other people because 'you know something they don't'. And the truth is, you don't. But believe my unprovable, baseless delusion! And it is never happening. What will happen is man will kill man. God won't intervene for anyone. He isn't home.
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred Don't lump biblically educated Christians in with the uneducated false teachers of prophecy. Any student of the Bible knows biblical prophecies that are expected in the future do not have an exact date..only God knows-not even angels know as Jesus said in the NT.I don't think myself smarter or better than anyone sir. It is simply what I hold to be true-who I am in character has zero to do with God's plan. Think and believe what you wish--words are just words until judgment day.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 'Biblically educated'? How about just being 'educated' and not believing in talking snakes, zombies or virgin births because these things do not exist. They are made up. There is no other reasonable assumption you can make when presented with such nonsense. To call it 'truth' is laughable.
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred You are foolish sir the way you blaspheme. But I understand Satan has blinded you.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 Such an easy cop out that one, isn't it? Oh, someone doesn't believe my ridiculous, made up, impossible beliefs as I'll tell him he's blinded by an equally made up, ridiculous character. I bet you believe in fairies, and unicorns and that you check under your bed every night for the boogeyman too. Shouldn't God strike me down if I blaspheme? Just more proof that there is no God. Thanks for helping us establish that...
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred Go ahead; keep casting stones. You don't know me or my story, but I've seen your videos. You sit alone in your room playing music all day probably smoking reefer to the point where you've lost all your brain cells. Tragic. What have you done to contribute to society? What's going to be your legacy? I sat in my room hiding in fear and casting stones at people behind my computer because I was too afraid to admit to myself I could never grow up and be a real man of integrity?
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 Ha. Who's casting stones now?! Suddenly this is about how much I've contributed to society and some story you've conjured about me having the time to sit in my room all day. My legacy just to guess would be my sucessful radio career which affords me plenty of money for 'reefer'. LOLOL. Your last sentence doesn't even make sense so it's difficult to mock.
ponchred 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 I've thought of something obvious that I have contributed to society apart from tax money! Music! I would think that recording songs that people have enjoyed (at least they told me they did) would be a grand contribution. And I have no idea why I cannot be a 'man of integrity' just because I don't believe your idiotic hellfire tales. I'll also point out that I don't fear life. People who do need a God to blame everything on. And that would be you. Lol.
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred What do aging atheists talk about while they wait to die? Do they discuss the legacy of morality, decency, integrity?
Spiritual sensitivity they leave to the children...
Or all the good they have done in the world?
The hospitals, orphanages, elevation of womanhood. Or perhaps the great work against communism?There is so much for an aging atheist to look forward to.Old atheists never die, they just go to hell--See, Satan gives the best first- the worst last.
Jesus gives the best last.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 Atheists don't 'wait to die'. That's such a christian way of looking at things. We get out there and taste the entire world as if it were our only chance. Spiritual sensitivity is a phrase that actually doesn't mean anything. If people spent less time worrying about such things then they'd be happier. Why does there have to be anything else? And you don't know what that is so you just make it up anyway so what's the point? Satan and Jesus are imaginary charaters.
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred There actually may have been a carpenter around the biblical era known as Jesus Christ. However, whether or not he was the son of God or the re-incarnation etc. cannot be known.
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@ponchred Also-Daniel predicted the fall of the 4 world-ruling empires of Babylon, Medo-Persian, Greek, and Roman. All were destroyed as prophesied. We await a pending prophecy found in Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 4:18. Jesus read from Is.61:2 but stopped at " to proclaim the acceptable year of our Lord." He then closed the book. He did not read:"and the day of vengeance of our God" because we await that day. Jesus came not to avenge 2k ya but to be a savior for those who needed it before the avenging.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 Yet another baseless rambling spew of nonsense. Where is Jesus? Where is the anti-christ? There will be no vengeance. We have more chance of being invaded by space aliens than for anything in the bible to actually come to pass. Referencing predictions from thousands of years ago that may or may not have actually happened from a book rife with lies is NOT evidence. The bible is a story book. Nothing more. You may as well worship Lord of the Rings.
ponchred 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 So by 'buying into modern new age discorvery' I'm doing the devils work and I should just sit here an take the words of a 2000 yr old story book to heart, and ignore the mountain of modern evidence against said nonsensical religion, especially when you nothing you've said has been backed by a shred of explanation. You're the worst kind of believer as you believe with no reason. I doubt you've ever dared to question any of your beliefs.
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred You don't know me from Adam buddy.Don't judge me bro you don't know what I've been through in my life or why I believe the things I do..I don't care if you never pick up the Word or not--that is your fate not mine.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 Why should it matter? You've judged me publicly as a reclusive pothead which is so slanderous it's not funny, but you're too precious to have your fluffy little feelings hurt? Give me a break. And let me tell you about your fate. At the last moment, when you realise your pious life has been for nothing, you'll be the one counting off a list of regrets, not me. I enjoy life. You fear it. Hence, you're a moron.
ponchred 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 And I'll point out that even though I don't 'know you' I must be cutting pretty close to the bone given the effort you're putting in to try and make me feel bad (an impossible task btw). I bet I'm right. You've never questioned a word of your faith, and only now are you starting to realise how you've been decieved. You see, it shows with how you suddenly went on the 'you don't know me' angle without even attempting to qualify yourself. Classic.
ponchred 1 month ago
@imax1971 The good effect of a belief is no reason to hold it.
samcarr6 1 month ago 2
@psalmsurfer1 What exactly is the purpose of life then. In your universe this is all one big test of credulousness, this "loving god" has set this up and makes salvation depend on believing in him on bad evidence. The purpose of science is the pursuit of knowledge and wisdom, the purpose of life is what you choose it to be. Don't you try and tell me what my purpose is.
samcarr6 1 month ago
@samcarr6 The purpose of this life is not the futile pursuit of the advancement of scientific ideas; although beneficial to humans while here- it is like man only finite and will do no good when you are dust and ashes. The deeper existential plight of man is human transcendence. If you don't know what that means go look it up.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 Then stop going to the doctor when you are sick. Doctors just use that silly science stuff. Die sooner. Go to Heaven faster. Just me lookin' out for you. :)
backwoodsninja 1 month ago
An important note to all the believers quoting religion and religious texts - We (the atheists) do not believe. It is not a question of what we don't believe in, we simply lack this 'power' (mental handicap, in my opinion) of belief. We can be persuaded that something is probably true with evidence, but we cannot accept your concept of faith based on a belief.
weetyskemian44 1 month ago 2
@weetyskemian44 This is why if you truly want to believe but cannot yet-ask the Lord to bestow that grace upon you. We believe by His grace;not in of ourselves. It was given us.Just listen to any great conversion story and this is the result of God-given grace.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
It's sad to watch a man throw away his own salvation. What is even more sad is that there are people that idolize him. They idolize a person that made a career insulting others not to mention he was a self proclaimed Marxist.. Sad..
imax1971 1 month ago
@imax1971 You don't get it, do you? Salvation at the price of spending one's existence singing praises to a tyrant? No thank you. Give me freedom or give me Hell! I'll take it. Plenty of my loved ones are already there. Fuck an evil god like that. Oh, and by the way, I deny the Holy Spirit!
backwoodsninja 1 month ago
@backwoodsninja Sorry you feel that way. Open up your heart to Jesus. He won't let you down. He loves you. Let him in.. Peace be with you.
imax1971 1 month ago
@imax1971 Slave
backwoodsninja 1 month ago
@backwoodsninja I wasn't raised in a religious household. I became a religious man as an adult. The Catholic faith has changed my life for the better. I have a different outlook on my life as well as my view of fellow human beings.. I am a better person because of my faith in Jesus. If you consider me a "slave" for now being happier and loving my neighbor, then I'm happy for the chains.. Hitchens wasn't a wise man, friend. His heart was filled with hate.. Open your heart Jesus.
imax1971 1 month ago
@imax1971 So you drank the Kool-Aid.
TomFynn 1 month ago
@TomFynn Like you drink the Hitchens Kool-Aid?... There is a bit of a difference here. The Kool-Aid I'm drinking is from Jesus Christ. My faith in him has had a positive effect on my life. The Kool-Aid you're drinking is from a man that was a self proclaimed Marxist and made a career out of insulting people.. Hitchens is not one to be admired, friend..
imax1971 1 month ago
@imax1971 "Hitchens is not one to be admired, friend" Au contraire. A man who is not afraid to speak his mind - like Hitchens - is always to be admired and followed. But then, one can not expect a sheeple like you to understand that.
"The Kool-Aid I'm drinking is from Jesus Christ." My point exactly. Now go away and be a good sheeple.
TomFynn 1 month ago 2
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@TomFynn "A man who is not afraid to speak his mind - like Hitchens - is always to be admired and followed"... So you admit you are one of his "sheeple"... What good has come of your following of the hate filled Marxist?
"Now go away and be a good sheeple".... I will. I will continue to live my life as morally as I can and to help my fellow man to the best of my ability. Is there something wrong with that?
imax1971 1 month ago
@TomFynn weak
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 SFW?
TomFynn 1 month ago
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@imax1971 said "The Kool-Aid I'm drinking is from Jesus Christ."
Jesus Juice?
superfisto 1 month ago
@imax1971 Just keep in mind that it's called faith because it's not knowledge.
backwoodsninja 1 month ago
@backwoodsninja You joke about Hell as if it doesn't exist. You may want to read Dante's Inferno and Purgatorio..Pilgrim's Progress..or any revival preacher giving a sermon on Hell. Do not mock the Spirit I urge you to repent.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 I've read Dante's Divine Comedy. It is a fine piece of literature. Very political in nature. Revival preachers? What would they know? Except how to lie to people for money.
backwoodsninja 1 month ago
@backwoodsninja Dwight L.Moody never lied to anyone. You mistake revival for evangelist or "feel-good" preaching..HUGE difference buddy. Hellfire preachers aren't it for money trust me because they are the antithesis of feelgood preaching. Noone wants to hear about hell..even believers..people dont want to acknowledge an eternal judgment. They either repress God altogether and rebel or gather at Joel Osteen services where everything is "gonna be okay" . Learn the theological difference.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 That's because Hell doesn't exist and deep down people know it's a lie and it makes people feel bad that there isn't really a place of punishment for evil people. Hellfire preachers are in it for just as much money as the feel good ones. They just target a more extreme audience yet rake in the same amount of dollars.
ponchred 1 month ago
@backwoodsninja Divine Comedy is a theological allegory first and foremost more than political..you missed my point to just dismiss it like you did.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 Either way, doesn't make it true. Do you actually believe Dante saw Hell? I don't think Dante ever even made such a claim. A good story doesn't make for a factual account.
backwoodsninja 1 month ago
@backwoodsninja So far even CH or Richard Dawkins or any other self-proclaimed atheist hasn't proved there isn't a Hell otherwise so I'll go with what Jesus taught in the New Testament thanks..
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 Thats like me asking; disprove to me that jelousy has the color purple.
You can neither disprove or prove the concept, this makes it a ridicoulus question and shouldt have a place in a debate or in science.
RawSwedishMeatball 1 month ago
@psalmsurfer1 Because that's how life works in your sciencey-educated brain. I bet you're terrified of giant lizard bats purely because Richard Dawkins can't prove they don't exist. You're such a retard.
ponchred 1 month ago
@imax1971 Absolutely sad..tragic.
psalmsurfer1 1 month ago
@imax1971 It's sadder to watch a person throw their life away worshipping something that doesn't exist as if it did. If someone wants to idolise Hitch I'd say 'at least he existed'...
ponchred 1 month ago
@ponchred LOL,,,nice comment yes, we have evidence for Hitch frm the red faces of the faithfull.
ZukefliJohan 1 month ago