A popular protoss build on here against zerg is forge expand and use pylons to block the expo and cannon to force them to one base while you saturate your expo and you can destroy them.
Can someoen please tell me how to send my replays to these guys im having serious problems getting everything organized and have some really entertaining games for them to check out someone help. :D
Hey Maximus, I'm only at the 7 minute 30 second mark right now, but I notice you haven't noticed you have 4 probes on Gas... :P I couldn't help but mention it...
Im not that great of a player, but i noticed that you could of pulled out a couple of high templar in the begining if you did that and studied psi storm you would of had a larger adavantage over him. and im surprised you did not pull out any giraffe, that definately would have helped you since they out range most or not all zerg units especially with the thermal lance upgrade. other than that your play style is great and keep up the work :D i learned from you MaximusBlack FTW!! >:D
I've been mia from SC2 for quite a bit but I'll probably start playing again occassionally starting this week. If you want to train some ZvP hit me up Maximus.
what i noticed was that you used up way too much energy on your force fields and DT's are good for early harassment, mid harassment, and mixing in with your army to give it that extra damage, but you really should have gone HT's there were soo many times where a couple of well places storms would have changed the battle entirely, also keep up on probe construction, i noticed that your second was not saturated and use chrono ALOT.
Hey Maximus, one tip! Keep a hold of those Xel-Naga towers broski! Just send 2 probes or zealots to chill on the ones outside his base, and pull them back when you see his army on the move to rescue them. Then you'll have ample time to prepare more forces and get your army situated!
Otherwise, good game! Thumbs this up so he sees it!
@MaximusBlack Fantastic. Also, I need to rematch Novawar one of these days... we did a 1v1, and I meant to go Zerg, but picked protoss and he face-rolled me! lawlawl. Tell that fool to hit up THCContent.172 on Bnet!
You were playing this game really well. What killed you was the probe getting stuck when tryuing to rebuild your wall at 12:30. If you had those cannon up for your wall when the zerglings first hit you'd have stood a much better chance. and possibly could have won. What killed you was the fast surround.
Maybe you could do some herassment with phoenix + void rays. They force some spore crawlers at the zerg base and they can be used very effectively against roaches. Be sure to micro against queens though. In addition, Phoenix are great scouts.
i would highly recommend expanding when you have excess minerals, as well as favoring colosi over lots of sentries. as a former protoss that switched to zerg, i can tell you that destroying a gateway army as zerg is one of the simplest things to do mid-late game, while effectively dealing with a colosi ball is definitely one of the hardest. the colosus is probably the best unit in the game, and i would like to see you take advantage of that more
I know you didn't use them in this game, but I'm seeing it now on the stream and figure you have a better chance of reading it here than you will there.
Whenever you use Warp Prisms, I notice when you're done warping with them you usually abandon them and focus on other things that are more immediately pressing and they get killed a few minutes later, so then you end up building another one.
When you scout him being that greedy you could have easily either put down a forge and stopped his expansion from happening (via cannons) or put down your own expension much earlier. Put alot of pressure on a greedy zerg early on or you will be stomped by the swarm :)
This video is basically the point I'm at against Zergs. I play OK and start to macro up, and then they come in with a huge army of Roaches (good players put lings in there to counter the stalkers too, which is frustrating) and it's gg.
I'm trying to making sure I'm scouting a lot more and making sure I know what's coming and when. And I'm trying to make sure I'm reasonably aggressive to stop them from becoming too strong, but it's definitely tough. My weakest race to play against, for sure.
If I had to pick one thing that I don't think you do well, its early game harassment, zerg are crazy macro-ers as you know, most of your attacking is just pushing with a bunch of units with the intention of winning right there (you've gotten better tho, I was glad to see you back off here), I would like to see what kind of harassment you could do and see if it helps against zerg to damage their economy early on and keep them from becoming a giant blog thats too hard to handle, this was good tho!
@chaoswurm They die as fast as marines. Roaches on the other hand are very tanky. Hydras are good to be DPS dealers, but you need roaches in the front to tank. 2 Collosi with a ground army can melt hydralisks like a stove melts ice :P
@chaoswurm Hydras are more expensive, slower, and squishier. They make good anti-air units and they're decent when combined with Roaches in front to tank damage, and they are used against Toss sometimes, but there's usually better options.
i think the zerg react perfectly against your build order. by building a lot of spine crawler..should go for forge expand against zerg.you let the zerg expand like crazy. dont waste your energy like you did at 10:50.. as a result, no energy at 12:50 lol.. should get that colossus faster.. anyway you improve a lot.. just a little bit slipping on the micro,not enough gateway,lack of scouting,not takin control of the xel naga tower. make sure you check the timing of the third expo.
Jeff when you do a 3 gate expand, skip the stalker in the beginning and go straight for a sentry. Sentries are much lower on minerals and you'll be able to get your expansion faster :)
I think ht's might have been better than dt's and sentries. If there's a choke you can storm it. That being said, I think archons lose to roaches but idk.
I know you're usually use your chrono but always keep using it!
When you're macro slipped after the big battle you had enough chrono for all your gates and you could've got out lots of zealots since your core was down.
You have to be careful with zerg. If you let them sit there, they just drone, and letting zerg drone is bad. You have to keep up the pressure, and then they can't focus on droning.
I think you really let him macro up too much, and it would have been good with some colossai I think. But really, you left him alone for too long I think.
in the 1st engagement, you shouldve stayed outside, you blocked yourself in with your buildings, half of your stalkers werent shooting, yeah and more immortals
You're better than I, but I'll give my reactions anyway. For sure if you see heavy Roach either pump Immortals or get Void Rays. I think you're right about needing to harass. I fail there, too. :(
I'm surprised you took so long to get the robo. Usually you fairly good about getting the 3gate-robo, walling up, then popping out an obs to get scouting information. I also notice in a lot of your Zerg MU's you don't seem to want to invest as heavily in Collosi, rather preferring Shield micro from Sentrys. Not that you're bad with it (you're actually one of the better players) but Collosi behind a wall tend to scare Zerg players and so they tend to back off which might've delayed him.
When playing Terran or Zerg you should get your armor upgrade before weapon upgrade, because it calculates better for Terran and Zerg low tier units have fast but low-damage attacks.
I 3 gate robo on against zerg on this map because I can get out an observer and att the fast expand from the low ground and if they get roach I can start getting som imortals, if you have any opinions on that message me back on what I could do better please! =P
Those immortals were really late against a roach heavy build, a void or two could have won that game against an all ground army. But you did good against a 3 base zerg.
I really like these series, as I am also learning much from it and its comments, I wondered why you didnt went straight for immortals while you scouted those roaches? Keep it up, a bouse is what you are !
@JohnnyBaz00ka he should have instantly focused on robos or air, the painful part is his dependance on dts, he wouldnt need them with 4 immortals and lots on the field
You really need to practice those force fields. You keep blocking them instead of splitting them. The first force fields split well, but after that you just gave him free range to kill your gateways with that block. Luv u tho :P
maximus i really support u, but u dont deserve to be masters yet. U just dont really play that good. Dont get me wrong... ur not a noob, ur just not masters lvl yet...
@MaximusBlack If you see your gas sky rocking that means your macro style doesn't need that much gas, build like 3 assimilators instead of 4 or build gas intensive units like stargate units or Colossi, a lot of sentries are good to decrease gas, but they become useless if you don't have attack units. Hope I helped:D
No DT's next time. Should have teched to Collosus instead. Always easy to say what you should have done from the observer booth though. Maybe some Voidies next time as well, they destroy those Ling/roach pushes pretty quick.
Jeff, do you guys really have haters? I cannot imagine the size of the pole that has to be up someone's ass to make them hate you guys. Keep up the good work.
Jeff the thing you're doing wrong is you're playing that zerg as if he was a terran or protoss. With zerg if you don't harass their mineral line from the 8 min mark on in the game you're gonna get out macro'd. I notice you tend to stick with ground units all the time. If you mix in some earlyish void rays (ie: 1 or 2) just for harassment purposes you'd make the zerg waste resources on either hydra or static def. and make him turtle up a little bit more. That would help you out in the long run.
You could have immortals earlier but forgot you even had that robotics. Forge fast expand is a must on this map once you see the zerg with a fast expand, or even stop your wall and get that nexus asap. Forcefields are nice but you hardly used that blink upgrade. Why am i still gold ?
yeah he macroed up. i'm a plat zerg and even i could max out around 15 min give or take. one thing i found frustrating about toss on that map is that toss can turtle. just get some colossi and with good building placement you should be able to hold out against maxed zerg armies until you max out. also, your gas was pretty high the whole game... wondering if that hurt your eco?
My two cents on this game: You said yourself that your macro slipped during that attack. The best way to fix that is to set up mental triggers for things like seeing buildings go down. When you see your Core go down, you should automatically start building another one, then go back to microing. Things like that. If your macro wouldn't have slipped, you probably would have survived the second attack. 2000 mins go a LONG way. :)
MB try out Mc's stargate build (it has been on the Day[9] daily recently it is fairly effective against All ins and provides a solid 2 base play whilst providing map contoll untill about the ~12 minute mark when you A) transition if you have hurt is drone production or B) just fucking kill him
Maximus, my favorite youtuber, I think I know what your problem is against Zerg; your force fields were waaaay to close to your front wall. If you didn't notice, all of his roaches could still attack your wall. You basically wasted all of that energy.
while you where on 2 base you had to much gas and you had also gas up in your second base , if you would have delayed that a bid more you could get more units and expo faster to 3rd
Since you say that zerg is your weakest race to play against and to play as. You should probably look to just play zerg til you are decent with them to get a better understanding for their builds and timing in the builds. Their was an incredible lack of scouting in this game and even when you knew their were roaches coming along with lings you delayed the immortals too long and could have gone for collosi instead for more effectiveness.
i saw that you scout al the way in to the base but if you let your probe go just far enough the would see the base or creep, it is just a small not inportant thing but it is sometimes a few seconds and you know that might just be enough.
@gammerjunk He's not scouting to see where the base is, he's scouting to see what kind of build the Zerg is going for. For that, he needs to go deeper in. That time, he was able to realize that his opponent was going Roach due to his scouting, which is why he was able to hold off the first attack. But then, of course....
Maximus, you shit the bed when you moved your units back from your natural, which allowed for the surround by the zerglings and the roaches to go buck wild on your immortals... Just saying GG though :)
Tip : Practice more on your Forcefielding... Use your Guardian Shield ! BUILD PROBES ! If at all possible get an observer or 2 to see wth is your opponent doing. Getting the right unit composition is very important.
My Opinion : I think playing 3 gates Robo build is a more solid style of play than going mass gateways or 4 gates rush. You can access to higher tech units.
it was a good move bringing your initial attack back, but you should have put that first probe on a watch tower and you pushed him away with force fields instead of splitting him. if your probe saw that first push with only roach and ling, i wonder if going with a couple void rays would have helped with that second wave.
Thumbs up if you grabbed a pillow when he told you to.
BigMaij 2 months ago
thanks for calling me bouse, bouse
Also i feel like you dont watch you supply enough.
Almlord 3 months ago
thanks for calling me bouse, bouse
Almlord 3 months ago
They need to add a 'Sour' reaction. :l
Chunginitup 3 months ago
i just watched a 2 minute commercial then internet shut off so i had to reload page and of course 2:30 add right after
StealthTacticsClan 4 months ago
in the beginning you had 4 probes on gas
rptw 5 months ago 7
A popular protoss build on here against zerg is forge expand and use pylons to block the expo and cannon to force them to one base while you saturate your expo and you can destroy them.
XxGenRicxX 5 months ago
holy crap why did the zerg back off. roaches are pretty beefy units.
zengamer321 6 months ago
robro.... bro....
brianb338 6 months ago
Jeff, I think you forgot to use guardian shield during the first big engagement. That would have been hugely important I think.
keznh 6 months ago
I just bought a Polanetary Forotdds t shirt, all my friends are sour about life over it
xxdemon78xx 6 months ago
8:41 "that's a lot of roach." Get immortal from robo then
Brendan1246 6 months ago 2
i really liked your building placement this game
bigsex000 6 months ago
Can someoen please tell me how to send my replays to these guys im having serious problems getting everything organized and have some really entertaining games for them to check out someone help. :D
Dmatyrant 6 months ago
Y U RUN @ 12:50?
herpderp312 6 months ago
It sure hurts when they rush in from the front and the back at the same time!
rogierpoep 6 months ago in playlist MaximusBlacks Quest To Diamond/Master (SC2)
Hey Maximus, I'm only at the 7 minute 30 second mark right now, but I notice you haven't noticed you have 4 probes on Gas... :P I couldn't help but mention it...
Wawplayer 6 months ago 2
did u record this with fraps??
annihilator007 6 months ago
Im not that great of a player, but i noticed that you could of pulled out a couple of high templar in the begining if you did that and studied psi storm you would of had a larger adavantage over him. and im surprised you did not pull out any giraffe, that definately would have helped you since they out range most or not all zerg units especially with the thermal lance upgrade. other than that your play style is great and keep up the work :D i learned from you MaximusBlack FTW!! >:D
sickjinx93 6 months ago
I've been mia from SC2 for quite a bit but I'll probably start playing again occassionally starting this week. If you want to train some ZvP hit me up Maximus.
-xcQuence
xcQuence 6 months ago
what i noticed was that you used up way too much energy on your force fields and DT's are good for early harassment, mid harassment, and mixing in with your army to give it that extra damage, but you really should have gone HT's there were soo many times where a couple of well places storms would have changed the battle entirely, also keep up on probe construction, i noticed that your second was not saturated and use chrono ALOT.
mike146146 6 months ago
Hey Maximus, one tip! Keep a hold of those Xel-Naga towers broski! Just send 2 probes or zealots to chill on the ones outside his base, and pull them back when you see his army on the move to rescue them. Then you'll have ample time to prepare more forces and get your army situated!
Otherwise, good game! Thumbs this up so he sees it!
proutytyler1 6 months ago 17
@proutytyler1
Thanks dude I see it
MaximusBlack 6 months ago 4
@MaximusBlack Fantastic. Also, I need to rematch Novawar one of these days... we did a 1v1, and I meant to go Zerg, but picked protoss and he face-rolled me! lawlawl. Tell that fool to hit up THCContent.172 on Bnet!
proutytyler1 6 months ago
jeez, such an agressive zerg. Yes, more forcefields would've been good. Nice match though.
MostazalsLord 6 months ago
You were playing this game really well. What killed you was the probe getting stuck when tryuing to rebuild your wall at 12:30. If you had those cannon up for your wall when the zerglings first hit you'd have stood a much better chance. and possibly could have won. What killed you was the fast surround.
bangythebrav 6 months ago
1 on 1 time with Maximus Black lol !
CezarEsReal 6 months ago
I totally missed that he had dt till the battle lol
longhornsforeva 6 months ago
Maybe you could do some herassment with phoenix + void rays. They force some spore crawlers at the zerg base and they can be used very effectively against roaches. Be sure to micro against queens though. In addition, Phoenix are great scouts.
rebelbeest 6 months ago
hey maximus...
i would highly recommend expanding when you have excess minerals, as well as favoring colosi over lots of sentries. as a former protoss that switched to zerg, i can tell you that destroying a gateway army as zerg is one of the simplest things to do mid-late game, while effectively dealing with a colosi ball is definitely one of the hardest. the colosus is probably the best unit in the game, and i would like to see you take advantage of that more
Bobert7397 6 months ago
quest to maaassteeerrs~
InfectedFetus00 6 months ago
I know you didn't use them in this game, but I'm seeing it now on the stream and figure you have a better chance of reading it here than you will there.
Whenever you use Warp Prisms, I notice when you're done warping with them you usually abandon them and focus on other things that are more immediately pressing and they get killed a few minutes later, so then you end up building another one.
Just something I thought could help your DT play.
FrostdPoptart 6 months ago
@12:08 -" Holy Crap"
MEEP012 6 months ago
When you scout him being that greedy you could have easily either put down a forge and stopped his expansion from happening (via cannons) or put down your own expension much earlier. Put alot of pressure on a greedy zerg early on or you will be stomped by the swarm :)
F4ll3n1983 6 months ago
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F4ll3n1983 6 months ago
This video is basically the point I'm at against Zergs. I play OK and start to macro up, and then they come in with a huge army of Roaches (good players put lings in there to counter the stalkers too, which is frustrating) and it's gg.
I'm trying to making sure I'm scouting a lot more and making sure I know what's coming and when. And I'm trying to make sure I'm reasonably aggressive to stop them from becoming too strong, but it's definitely tough. My weakest race to play against, for sure.
caddy0688 6 months ago
also, ur 3 extra gate were kinda late.
serder910630 6 months ago
early game, if u spot hatch b4 pool, throw down ur nexus b4 the 2nd and 3rd gate, gives u the advantage of not being late in economy
serder910630 6 months ago
When you see Roach, make immortals.. also remember to get the Tower, for some vision...
TheBmxNixor 6 months ago
Oh geez all races are just OP.
Supercyzer 6 months ago
If I had to pick one thing that I don't think you do well, its early game harassment, zerg are crazy macro-ers as you know, most of your attacking is just pushing with a bunch of units with the intention of winning right there (you've gotten better tho, I was glad to see you back off here), I would like to see what kind of harassment you could do and see if it helps against zerg to damage their economy early on and keep them from becoming a giant blog thats too hard to handle, this was good tho!
TheBezeman 6 months ago
I love shoe! I have to collect all chimpokomon! You need more guardian shield and immortals.
EngineeringIsMagic 6 months ago
just random question...why don't zergs use hydralisks more? they have higher dps than roaches.
chaoswurm 6 months ago
@chaoswurm They die as fast as marines. Roaches on the other hand are very tanky. Hydras are good to be DPS dealers, but you need roaches in the front to tank. 2 Collosi with a ground army can melt hydralisks like a stove melts ice :P
jonathanshir 6 months ago
@chaoswurm Hydras are more expensive, slower, and squishier. They make good anti-air units and they're decent when combined with Roaches in front to tank damage, and they are used against Toss sometimes, but there's usually better options.
Fortune2point0 6 months ago
Am I tripping out, or can you not see his cursor?
fandanstan 6 months ago
@maximusblack just imo when u go a FE against zerg, if u know u cant win the attack, u should at least sack a zealot and check if he has a 3rd..
CloakedMarine 6 months ago
Make sure to hot key all of your units so that you can quickly get those Force Fields down so they can't do the run by.
RobLoach 6 months ago
i think the zerg react perfectly against your build order. by building a lot of spine crawler..should go for forge expand against zerg.you let the zerg expand like crazy. dont waste your energy like you did at 10:50.. as a result, no energy at 12:50 lol.. should get that colossus faster.. anyway you improve a lot.. just a little bit slipping on the micro,not enough gateway,lack of scouting,not takin control of the xel naga tower. make sure you check the timing of the third expo.
Roxass00 6 months ago
Jeff when you do a 3 gate expand, skip the stalker in the beginning and go straight for a sentry. Sentries are much lower on minerals and you'll be able to get your expansion faster :)
aplanesight 6 months ago
You had 4 probes on gas
MsGamerguy5000 6 months ago
robo sat doing nothing after it was delayed.... GEEEEEEEEEGEEEEEEEEEEE!
Cfernando88 6 months ago
I think ht's might have been better than dt's and sentries. If there's a choke you can storm it. That being said, I think archons lose to roaches but idk.
Thought39 6 months ago
2 people are combetx and that girl with the inverted nips dad... sour lol
brandun69 6 months ago 3
you got wrecked this game lol where was the void ray.....
mouchy123 6 months ago
Stay a while and listen
theshadowavatar 6 months ago
not an expert, but it looked pretty close. His macro was just really good.
awilla89 6 months ago
(noob) point of APM spam?
shotgunn9 6 months ago
@shotgunn9 For good players it helps keep your hands warmed up for the faster points in the game, most people just do it to do it.
rastisrules 6 months ago
@shotgunn9 just cause u apm spam doesent mean your a noob and pros do it to warm there hands up
TheInfectous 6 months ago
@shotgunn9 to increase your APM
GekkeDennis15 6 months ago
yes...i am bouse
TheAznBoi980 6 months ago
i really enjoy your Quest to Master games, keep 'em coming! :D
DBak91 6 months ago
I know you're usually use your chrono but always keep using it!
When you're macro slipped after the big battle you had enough chrono for all your gates and you could've got out lots of zealots since your core was down.
Svanstrand 6 months ago
You have to be careful with zerg. If you let them sit there, they just drone, and letting zerg drone is bad. You have to keep up the pressure, and then they can't focus on droning.
oeruli 6 months ago
I think you really let him macro up too much, and it would have been good with some colossai I think. But really, you left him alone for too long I think.
InfestedOne557 6 months ago
Should get high templar every once in a while :\
Bomiheko2 6 months ago
*Looks at zerg army in his base*
"Not good."
I lol'ed.
TheWill920 6 months ago
11:25 helm's deep xD epic defence xD
PituDitu 6 months ago
Don't overthink it. You lost because your macro slipped.
ScufoCorey 6 months ago
hahahaha 169 likes until i like it :L
Antimatter0123 6 months ago
you had four probes on one of the gas in your Main for the whole match :P
theParanoidification 6 months ago 2
Ling and Roaches!!!!
DarthSirkish 6 months ago
get halucination when opening sentry.
InVINCEab13 6 months ago
Double penetrated. xD
EnthalpyH 6 months ago
Yeh, Jeff....SOME PEOPLE ENJOY IT! <3
Th34gl3 6 months ago
in the 1st engagement, you shouldve stayed outside, you blocked yourself in with your buildings, half of your stalkers werent shooting, yeah and more immortals
zagor688 6 months ago
Ahhhh, tough break! Loved your forcefield control in the first engagement, though! GG!
PixelSlayer247 6 months ago
You're better than I, but I'll give my reactions anyway. For sure if you see heavy Roach either pump Immortals or get Void Rays. I think you're right about needing to harass. I fail there, too. :(
heyf00L 6 months ago
I'm surprised you took so long to get the robo. Usually you fairly good about getting the 3gate-robo, walling up, then popping out an obs to get scouting information. I also notice in a lot of your Zerg MU's you don't seem to want to invest as heavily in Collosi, rather preferring Shield micro from Sentrys. Not that you're bad with it (you're actually one of the better players) but Collosi behind a wall tend to scare Zerg players and so they tend to back off which might've delayed him.
Bloodian 6 months ago 35
immortals earlier was the problem I think
nniicckk66006600 6 months ago
I legitamently stoped my porn for this jeff!
MrThecomedyman 6 months ago 2
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) Y U NO MAKE MOAR VIDEOS!?
garrycool345 6 months ago
I haven't seen one game where Maximusblack wins with a natural expansion o.o!
yuwing 6 months ago
If you see roaches, generally you should get a robo pretty soon.
mrrobotica 6 months ago
When playing Terran or Zerg you should get your armor upgrade before weapon upgrade, because it calculates better for Terran and Zerg low tier units have fast but low-damage attacks.
ZeeToxXx 6 months ago
Too many sentries and not enough Immortals since he went all roach.
But still GG
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zorrodude2 6 months ago 2
I 3 gate robo on against zerg on this map because I can get out an observer and att the fast expand from the low ground and if they get roach I can start getting som imortals, if you have any opinions on that message me back on what I could do better please! =P
ManiacalAge 6 months ago
Those immortals were really late against a roach heavy build, a void or two could have won that game against an all ground army. But you did good against a 3 base zerg.
PhiIosoraptor1 6 months ago
You HAVE to scout more - not just at the start, but continuously throughout the game!
Units at the towers, earlier robos, advance units outside his ramp...information is power!
leovaeg 6 months ago
You had 2100 minerals at the end, and no productions
HomieStoneFTW 6 months ago
I'm not the best SC2 player but you should've gotten Immortals a lot sooner.
Guynamedharry 6 months ago
Your macro was slipping in the late game, should have been building or producing immortals
HomieStoneFTW 6 months ago
I really like these series, as I am also learning much from it and its comments, I wondered why you didnt went straight for immortals while you scouted those roaches? Keep it up, a bouse is what you are !
JohnnyBaz00ka 6 months ago
@JohnnyBaz00ka he should have instantly focused on robos or air, the painful part is his dependance on dts, he wouldnt need them with 4 immortals and lots on the field
thereservist13 6 months ago
jeff when you see a late spawning pool expend from your 1 gate then make 2 more later.
dadumbazz 6 months ago
Maximus you are still a winner in my book.
kristof007 6 months ago
You really need to practice those force fields. You keep blocking them instead of splitting them. The first force fields split well, but after that you just gave him free range to kill your gateways with that block. Luv u tho :P
Search111add 6 months ago
IMHO, scouting + constant pressure is what you lacked in this game; you let him macro up too hard.
TheAnslam 6 months ago
@TheAnslam This
archmagi14794 6 months ago
you coulda used your forcefields during the second battle when the lings were running by.
iEtc2020 6 months ago
maximus i really support u, but u dont deserve to be masters yet. U just dont really play that good. Dont get me wrong... ur not a noob, ur just not masters lvl yet...
gulash86 6 months ago
i was actually already holding my favorite pillow :o
PibsterPewPew 6 months ago
my dog just walked into my room and I was like "what up dawg" and after a few seconds I started to laugh like shit
cocomoloco 6 months ago
Why don't you ever get the charge upgrade for your zealots? It's extremely useful.
ThePimpinGrandpa 6 months ago
was anyone else getting distracted by the fourth gas harvester XD
Nutter597 6 months ago
@MaximusBlack If you see your gas sky rocking that means your macro style doesn't need that much gas, build like 3 assimilators instead of 4 or build gas intensive units like stargate units or Colossi, a lot of sentries are good to decrease gas, but they become useless if you don't have attack units. Hope I helped:D
thiedemon 6 months ago 25
@thiedemon foreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeveeeeeeeeeeeer..................gold
HoldThisHandTightly 6 months ago
@HoldThisHandTightly What? I didn't get it :(
thiedemon 6 months ago
@thiedemon Also he didn't even HAVE people on one assimilator like 10 minutes in the game
arekayvee 6 months ago
@thiedemon Also he didn't even HAVE people on one assimilator like 10 minutes in the game
arekayvee 6 months ago
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@thiedemon Also he didn't even HAVE people on one assimilator like 10 minutes in the game
arekayvee 6 months ago
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@thiedemon Also he didn't even HAVE people on one assimilator like 10 minutes in the game
arekayvee 6 months ago
just dont build DTs. go for colossus.
limearrr 6 months ago
My God 2 or 3 voids would do wonders here
iljavija 6 months ago
robo was too late jeff! get out the observer asap, so you would have scouted it earlier and then mass stalker :) just did a pvz against zerg that way
Astaldo1987 6 months ago
ellllaaa la BOUSE!!!!!!!!
karonte1980 6 months ago
No DT's next time. Should have teched to Collosus instead. Always easy to say what you should have done from the observer booth though. Maybe some Voidies next time as well, they destroy those Ling/roach pushes pretty quick.
MegaNob99 6 months ago 3
I LOVE THE QUEST TO MASTER!!!!!
MultiCrapz 6 months ago
4 in gas D:
ElToastManz 6 months ago
just a suggestion: immortals,rebuild the wall,not let him build 3-4 bases
freddy692000 6 months ago
BOUSE
MajorRDX 6 months ago
"oh he killed my core... sonuvabitch" made me lol so hard!
LiezAllLiez 6 months ago
keep up the quest to master series i really like it
Oscarurd 6 months ago
Sour about those ling and roaches :( keep up the good work MB!
2rik9 6 months ago
set your fraps settings to where it shows the cursor, keep up the great work jeff :)
forgotmyinfo 6 months ago
Jeff, do you guys really have haters? I cannot imagine the size of the pole that has to be up someone's ass to make them hate you guys. Keep up the good work.
starcraftplayerone 6 months ago
Jeff the thing you're doing wrong is you're playing that zerg as if he was a terran or protoss. With zerg if you don't harass their mineral line from the 8 min mark on in the game you're gonna get out macro'd. I notice you tend to stick with ground units all the time. If you mix in some earlyish void rays (ie: 1 or 2) just for harassment purposes you'd make the zerg waste resources on either hydra or static def. and make him turtle up a little bit more. That would help you out in the long run.
ballping88 6 months ago
Sick forcefields Jeff
Ega060295ab 6 months ago
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niped10 6 months ago
loving this series dude keep it up :)
diehardmclean 6 months ago
Remember, Day9 said to add a probe or two when you are doing a heavy offensive mixture to keep your macro up.
Chevenitsu 6 months ago
You needed Colossus not DT :/
Rayquaza911 6 months ago
You could have immortals earlier but forgot you even had that robotics. Forge fast expand is a must on this map once you see the zerg with a fast expand, or even stop your wall and get that nexus asap. Forcefields are nice but you hardly used that blink upgrade. Why am i still gold ?
Limebottle07 6 months ago
shouldve gone air as soon as he saw the roaches?
Madmike19944 6 months ago
You really could have done with expanding at the start
TheVendetta116 6 months ago
This=90% of my games against zerg, haha
Cyaneyed77 6 months ago
Sour about those 2000 minerals and 2 full crono
mysticfiresun 6 months ago
yeah he macroed up. i'm a plat zerg and even i could max out around 15 min give or take. one thing i found frustrating about toss on that map is that toss can turtle. just get some colossi and with good building placement you should be able to hold out against maxed zerg armies until you max out. also, your gas was pretty high the whole game... wondering if that hurt your eco?
xiayening 6 months ago
4 probes in main gas, didn't expand fast enough, had 1500 minerals at one point and not in conflict
jdiddyws6 6 months ago
My two cents on this game: You said yourself that your macro slipped during that attack. The best way to fix that is to set up mental triggers for things like seeing buildings go down. When you see your Core go down, you should automatically start building another one, then go back to microing. Things like that. If your macro wouldn't have slipped, you probably would have survived the second attack. 2000 mins go a LONG way. :)
stwstl5926 6 months ago
Probably the problem was just mix of units, otherwise great defend. I suck using sentries :S
itsquazart 6 months ago
your macro slipped too hard, also ur DTs were out of position
GauntV 6 months ago
MB try out Mc's stargate build (it has been on the Day[9] daily recently it is fairly effective against All ins and provides a solid 2 base play whilst providing map contoll untill about the ~12 minute mark when you A) transition if you have hurt is drone production or B) just fucking kill him
heath2357 6 months ago
zerg op
TheDarkBlaze45 6 months ago
Maximus, my favorite youtuber, I think I know what your problem is against Zerg; your force fields were waaaay to close to your front wall. If you didn't notice, all of his roaches could still attack your wall. You basically wasted all of that energy.
ThePatriot09 6 months ago
I'm only a Plat player but it seems like you really could have used some Observers this game.
Reruro 6 months ago
MaximusBlack
Use ur chrono on gateways or robo?!
Double full energy
Not like a baws
LudoSlayer 6 months ago
when he attacked your you had tons of mins, keep on your macro and look if you could sneak a probe out for a hidden expo, i mean you had the money
gammerjunk 6 months ago
while you where on 2 base you had to much gas and you had also gas up in your second base , if you would have delayed that a bid more you could get more units and expo faster to 3rd
gammerjunk 6 months ago
Since you say that zerg is your weakest race to play against and to play as. You should probably look to just play zerg til you are decent with them to get a better understanding for their builds and timing in the builds. Their was an incredible lack of scouting in this game and even when you knew their were roaches coming along with lings you delayed the immortals too long and could have gone for collosi instead for more effectiveness.
juvygenius 6 months ago 2
i saw that you scout al the way in to the base but if you let your probe go just far enough the would see the base or creep, it is just a small not inportant thing but it is sometimes a few seconds and you know that might just be enough.
gammerjunk 6 months ago
@gammerjunk He's not scouting to see where the base is, he's scouting to see what kind of build the Zerg is going for. For that, he needs to go deeper in. That time, he was able to realize that his opponent was going Roach due to his scouting, which is why he was able to hold off the first attack. But then, of course....
AceKing47 6 months ago
@AceKing47 i mean to scout IF there is a base there, once you see it you go deeper in.
gammerjunk 6 months ago
Maximus, try harassing the Zerg more, if you don't let him macro on 3 bases forever you won't have to deal with huge swarms of zerg units.
TimmyT9204 6 months ago
you clearly only had your main saturated. the natural had like 14 probes.
blake3443 6 months ago
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monkeylazer 6 months ago
You'll definitely get better vs Zerg fast. There seems to be a fuck ton of Zerg players now for some reason..
cubeface21 6 months ago
Maximus, you shit the bed when you moved your units back from your natural, which allowed for the surround by the zerglings and the roaches to go buck wild on your immortals... Just saying GG though :)
Milkandcookeys 6 months ago
Tip : Practice more on your Forcefielding... Use your Guardian Shield ! BUILD PROBES ! If at all possible get an observer or 2 to see wth is your opponent doing. Getting the right unit composition is very important.
My Opinion : I think playing 3 gates Robo build is a more solid style of play than going mass gateways or 4 gates rush. You can access to higher tech units.
vichetmeng 6 months ago
you need voids....
TheTrashBringeer 6 months ago
it was a good move bringing your initial attack back, but you should have put that first probe on a watch tower and you pushed him away with force fields instead of splitting him. if your probe saw that first push with only roach and ling, i wonder if going with a couple void rays would have helped with that second wave.
sheepwshotguns 6 months ago
op
xCANOCx 6 months ago
can someone send the link to the livestream? plz
RoksonsSC2 6 months ago
@RoksonsSC2 justin.tv /lifesaglitchtv
nbandofbrother 6 months ago
Holy Roach batman
TheStealthydude 6 months ago
"On this map 'Shakuras Plateau'". More like 'Taldarim Altar' :D
vichetmeng 6 months ago
@vichetmeng didn't he say "on this map and shakuras plateau" ?
djteac 6 months ago
@djteac Yes he did.... But the map is Taldarim Altar not Shakuras Plateau..
vichetmeng 6 months ago
299 FTW
blackjoker205 6 months ago
239
massimo11602 6 months ago
Void ray/dt harass a bit earlier and then tech to colossi shouldve worked fine against that zerg.
tehbrucebanner 6 months ago