There are different kinds of belief and different kinds of faith.
Ask any Catholic priest if he believes in Jesus and he'll say yes. Ask a Jehovah's Witness if he believes in Jesus and he'll say yes, too. Ask a Pentecostal the same thing, you'll get the same answer. Doesn't mean they're saved. Doctrinal/creed conversions are NOT saving faith. You can believe every single FACT in the Bible about Christ and still be lost. Only the effectual call of the Father draws sinners to the Savior.
well anyway i would think it's okay for A Satanist Believe Once And Remain A Satanist. simply for the perspective regained. but it's all decided with in our own choosing!
cause when we sin, and believe me we do some times to! it is not cause some one tells us that we have done so! its because we might have done something in body or mind that we generally don't feel comforted by!
but it is our choosing whether it is a sin or not!
What is the will of the Father????? John 6;40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that everyone who sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The LORD has shown me about these wolves the last few days. Read my blog . lemirecassiedaughterofgod.blogspot.com
@fractalfires "Why should we trust that he is good?"
More to the point Dougy, why would anyone trust ANYTHING a liar and filer of false DMCAs like YOU has to say? You really need to seek help both spiritually and emotionally. Oh, and learn to play the guitar. You are just embarrassing yourself.
@ele12957returns Ed if took the doggy poo tried to tempt you to eat it it is still proper to say that I tempted you no matter what effect it has on you. It is proper for people to say "Oh, Jeff went to tempt Ed to eat doggy poo!"
@ele12957returns Jesus as a man had the physical ability to succumb to temptation but being God in the flesh He had no moral or spiritual ability there was simply NO desire for the thing offered. It would be the same as someone trying to tempt me to eat nasty dirty goo, I have the physical ability to eat it but there is not draw or desire to do so, only repulsion.
@ele12957returns Jesus temptations were external our temptations are internal. There was NOTHING in Jesus that would draw Him to the temptations. Our own lust draws us.
@ele12957returns I am not trying to be disagreeable and I don't have an offended heart, I just don't trust heretics. If I remember right I answered that Paul Washer thing a long time ago, I believe you pulled him out of context and tried to make it look like he meant something he didn't mean, that is why I didn't catch on that it was his quote.
@ele12957returns No Ed, you messed up go look at my 1689Baptist main page you will find I have not signed out of this channel for 5 days. The point I wanted to make is I wouldn't trust anything YOU recommended for the simple reason it was YOU that recommended it. When it is on my video everything is addressed to me.
@ele12957returns I am very careful who I read after. And I read non-reformed books only when needed to understand their position for arguments sake.
I am at my computer and when I get a new email I get a peep, so I can answer within seconds when I am at my computer. And as I said I can answer for whom ever I want, also I am sure UpholdenByMercy will give you his answer.
@ele12957returns I ran a search on the internet and that is what I found. No I am not UpholdenByMercy and you are an idiot if you think I am. This is my video and I can answer who and when I want.
@ele12957returns I have not read him, and I don't know if I will "Roland Bainton, a Quaker" that is already a problem for me. But I will check around to find out if he is reliable or not.
@ele12957returns Calvin was not a murder, he was just in what he did, in the OT children were stoned for disobedience to parents, Geneva's government was set up like the OT, Geneva was simply following God's laws. I AM NOT SAYING WE SHOULD but if we did this today we would have a lot less bad thing going on in our society.
@ele12957returns You said, "It takes no faith to confess our sins and imperfections" Yes it does! And I am not even going to explain it to you, lets see if you are smart enough to figure it out.
@ele12957returns "Jesus told people to have faith in God and He rebuked people for having no faith or little faith and praised others for having great faith." ED would you please shut up! Do you realize how many times I have seen this stupid comment from you? I think if I see it one more time I am going to kick you off! Do you ever get tired of beating a dead horse? You and your tired, worn out, stupid arguments.
@ele12957returns You said, "The phrase “die to self” is nowhere to be found in the Scripture" Hey ED, I think these come close enough. Rom_8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Col_3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth;
This is the difference between positional sanctification and practical sanctification.
In the Greek (specifically John) When speaking of those who had/have TRUE saving born again faith, John uses the PRESENT tense, which means it starts at a point and CONTINUES... when referring to people that SAY they believe (but really don't) John uses the aorist tense (punctiliar) which means in laymans terms a "snapshot" or "point" in time, but not continuing; or the perfect tense.. refer to John 8:31 and then John 8:45 for example... Keep up the good work!
If we don't have to continue in faith to remain saved? So those who fall away from the faith are saved? 2 Peter says that those who fall away are worse off then they began. Jesus said those "in Him" who do not bear fruit will be taken away. He who does not abide will be cut off, and thrown into the fire.
@trident343 Don't you think that is kind of stupid especially when you unblock me from time to time. One thing that angers me is for people to block me but don't seem to see the contradiction of commenting on my channel with me being blocked from theirs. What arrogance! And I am not trying to be mean, I am just angry.
@1689Baptist Who I block and when I block is my preference. And I explained to you that I just blocked ALL Calvinists. Wouldn't that imply my block was not explicitly because of you?
Why are you angry? I didn't leave any new comments or anything you would want to respond to.
@trident343 You said, "Who I block and when I block is my preference" Of course it is, I never said otherwise. It is the principle of the thing that angers me. I don't know how you can comment on peoples channels and videos that you have blocked? I would feel guilty, I could not block someone then go comment on their videos.
@trident343 Why did you remove your comment? "@Crawforda1769 This is true. The LS people need Solomon to repent so it can affirm their theology. Ecclesiates is about depression and an existential crisis of having no meaning. But I didn't read a turning back to God out if it. So thus could be a "Sorrow if the world" they warn us about?"
I had a preacher tell me once "be careful getting doctrine from Ecclesiastes, it is true Solomon said it, but it is not always true what Solomon said". My question is what is it doing as part of the Canon of Scripture? Why was it not removed with the rest of the Apocrypha. The word Ecclesiastes means preacher, it is a common understanding that he is preaching against his life of vanity as any good preacher would.
@trident343 Why do you keep blocking me? What is your problem? We have good conversations in our comments back and forth then the next thing I know you block me again. Are you unstable? I just don't get this blocking thing it is ridiculous, I have never blocked you, Liz, Monty, jack, greg, ele, fractal, and I don't even go and spam your page.
jeff, your response is full of eisegesis and speculation. we don't have a direct date of when Ecclesiastes was written except for that it was written later in life. was it written before or after solomon's falling into sin is not clear unless you want to force it into the story. The only danger of using Ecclesiastes to prove his repentance it you're forcing the unclear on the clear scripture..
@GRANTEDREPENTANCE I second your notion of when you block someone, it blocks their comments or hides them. The humanistic heretic refuses any scripture thats in contradiction to his idol worship and rewords/twists them such as the three I posted.
@KeithTruth. This guy Keith Truth is a wicked, lost heretic who has no grace and is on his way to hell ... and quite frankly, can't spell! "judgment" James 2:10.
1689baptist. Why would someone want to believe only to continue sinning? Duh. Maybe because we are ALL sinners in need of God's grace and have a biblical awareness of this. You need to read some LS Chafer.
Your answer concerning Ecclesiastes is not a strong one. There was no repentance of Solomon when he went off into idolatry. If he was truly repentant, would he seek to have Jeraboam killed (1 kings 11:40)? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I would like to see you defend your beliefs from the Bible and not John Gill.
@crawforda1769 I don't know what proof you need, the book of Ecclesiastes is proof enough. I just used Gill to show you the common knowledge among those that spend their life studying the Bible, I have heard this preached long before I knew who Gill was.
Jeroboam fled into Egypt, and was there until the death of Solomon. Solomon wanted to kill Jeroboam while he was still in rebellion, we don't know how long it was from that point to his death, Ecclesiastes was after this and before his death.
I NEVER said Solomon was in hell, you're twisting my words around. I was asking Jeff a question about people who were like Solomon who lived for Christ in their early years and then "live like the devil." You're completely putting words in my mouth by saying something I didn't say.
Proverbs 18:13 "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."
1689baptist. No. I was not being sarcastic. I know someone who believes Christ only died for the elect and then he says only the elect are saved and everyone else can lose their salvation. But then he swears up and down that you can't even know if you are elect. But, I've noticed that his main goal is to find verses that teach salvific loss.
@jacksmack77 It sounds like this person in confused! Also I do believe that a person that is saved can never lose their salvation. The problem I have with your presentation of the Gospel is I believe there are many out there that want to "believe" only so they can continue there sinful lifestyle without condemnation, and we know what Paul said about that "God Forbid". I do not think it is possible for that person to have believed, and they have deceived themselves. We need to guard against this.
"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject ; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."
I don't quite know exactly the doctrine you preach, but you have done well to know that we need to earnestly contend for the faith and being saved is not based on some one-time decision.
1689baptist. I agree. I have stopped giving people assurance because the last person I have confirmed saved thought they could lose salvation, they also thought Christ only died for the elect! I regretted granted them saved! I now just present the gospel and how to receive it. 1 Corinthians 15:3-4. John 3:16.
@jacksmack77 What do you mean by this comment? Are you being sarcastic? Losing salvation and Christ dying only for the elect are two incompatible doctrines, they cannot both be true. The doctrine of eternal salvation is inseparably tied to particular redemption. We do not have the authority to confirm nor disaffirm anyone's salvation.
@jacksmack77 These people you are talking about I will admit may be is a state of backsliding and God is in the process of sanctifying them and will bring them to repentance, but then again they may not have really believed, and were never saved, and are on their way to hell. Either way, why in this world would you even want to give them assurance of salvation? Stripping a man of real assurance is one way for God to bring them back, and stripping them of false assurance can lead them to Christ.
@jacksmack77 Of course we have Instant salvation at the moment of faith, but faith is not a dot in the past, faith is a line that begins then goes into eternity (watch beginning ------------------------------------------------------>eternity) Now the line has a beginning and that is past tense, hence the verses that that have believ- with an -ed (Greek or English), they are referring to a point in the past when faith began, but in NO WAY PROVE that faith does not continue.
My one comment I would say against this video is that around 1:30-33, you said that a person could "believe for one moment and then kill babies and die in open rebellion to God" or something to the effect of that. The one objection I would say to your video on that subject is that Solomon, the wisest man on earth later on lived in open rebellion of God near the end of his life (I Kings 11.) Would you be implying that people like King Solomon are burning in hell because of what they've done?
@crawforda1769 I still plan on giving you an answer in video form to your PM. As for Solomon, he did live in open rebellion for a time and God ripped the kingdom b/c of it, but Solomon came back to God in his old age.
Where in Scripture does it say that Solomon did return to God in his old age? The Bible according to my reading said he turned away from God in his old age.
1 Kings 11:4 "For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father."
@crawforda1769 The book of Ecclesiastes is his testimony of repentance.
Quote from John Gill
"(l). Solomon had apostatized from the church and people of God, and had followed idols; but now was brought back by repentance, and was gathered into the fold, from whence he had strayed as a lost sheep; and therefore chooses to call himself by this name, when he preached his recantation sermon, as this book may be said to be."
If you don't have it, download e-Sword it is free, so is Gill's commentary
@crawforda1769 Why do you people always try to compare the people in the old testament, to New Testament believers? Solomon, was not 'indwelt' with the Holy Spirit either. We know, salvation is by grace, and New Testament believers are kept, by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the believer. But we see many times, the Spirit came upon, and then later left people in the OT.
First of I do want to apologize for not responding to you (only because I was away from my laptop and had only a mobile phone to respond to Jeff real quick) but first off the main reason I adressed the issue of Solomon was the fact that Jeff mentioned something about getting saved and then going on some killing spree or something like that so I adressed Solomon.
The reason why I brought up Solomon was because, other than the fact that I believe that people in the OT were saved by God's grace as well as in the NT, the events and people in the OT can be often mirrored in Christianity today.
Romans 15:4 "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope."
If we don't take heed to obeying God's word, we'll end up like some of the OT saints who did sin.
@crawforda1769 I certainly believe people in the OT were saved by grace through faith as well. But we are told in the NT that those who continue in wickedness, show evidence they have not come to know Christ. See 1 John for all kinds of evidence for this. My point, is that many claim to be saved, but their lives do not show a heart being regenerated. God does not regenerate someone, give them the Holy Spirit, only to leave them to let sin abound.
@Blogrich55 Luke 10:28 (John Gill Exposition) Our Lord intimates by this, that, according to the tenor of the law, eternal life was not to be had without a complete and perfect performance of the duties of love to God, and to his neighbour, contained in these words; and this he suggests, in order to convict him of the impossibility of obtaining life by the works of the law, since such a performance cannot be made by man.
If anybody thinks they can see the Gospel of Christ crucified in the case if the Rich Young Ruler, they clearly do not know how to rightly divide the word of God.
The rich young ruler was offered theoretical salvation. If he completely obeyed the law. Jesus was exposing the RYR because he was self deluded in thinking he kept the commandents which is impossible.
No, you cannot read into the Gospel a decisional regeneration to turning away from sin. Only mercy received by faith alone in Christ alone. One only need call apon God when he realizes his helpless state. A changed heart given by God will produce good fruit therof
The account of the rich young ruler in Mk.10:17-22 destroys his argument. This man knew Jesus and wanted to follow him and gain eternal life. Jesus cut through his lofty facade by exposing him to the 10th commandment. The man lacked repentance and a true dying to self. This jacksmack77 preaches a different Christ and idolotry and he should be considered a curse. I would dust my feet off.
@MustardSeedish Luke 10:28 (John Gill Exposition) Our Lord intimates by this, that, according to the tenor of the law, eternal life was not to be had without a complete and perfect performance of the duties of love to God, and to his neighbour, contained in these words; and this he suggests, in order to convict him of the impossibility of obtaining life by the works of the law, since such a performance cannot be made by man.
1 Crnths 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Ephesians 1:13 whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Galatians 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
I will state though that the Gospel is not repentance (a turning away from sin) for that would imply the Gospel is Law. I'm not sure if you have ever said it was, but I have seen some Calvinist preachers assert that it is.
@trident343 We believe faith and repentance are both gifts from God, we are justified by faith alone, but repentance has to do with conversion. Both being a gift from God one wont be found without the other.
@trident343 "the Gospel is not repentance (a turning away from sin"
The word repentance does NOT mean "a turning away from sin" Brother Tim. It means a change of mind. That a change of mind will result in a change of behavior is true. God bless you.
@SmolyHoax I totally agree. The issue ultimately is if Jeff believes that. I should of asked him for his definition of Repentance, but as it seems, he did not correct the definition of Repentance which I defined in the previous comment as a turning away from sin. He went on to say that repentance has to do with conversion. If that is the case, then that separates it from sanctification (good works necessarily result).
@trident343 I am in total agreement that repentance means a change of mind that is what conversion is, but as Rich pointed out a chance of mind results in a change of behavior. I would say conversion is the first step in sanctification which is a life long process.
@trident343 This is true, but as Clark pointed out it is also impossible for on to understand the Gospel and want to continue in sin. One must understand the Gospel to believe it, and if he believes it, he is believing what his wickedness did to Christ, and therefore wants rid of it. Therefore a mere moment of faith that does not continue is ludicrous.
@1689Baptist But then again Christians do sin. So the issue is what kind of sin and how much can a saved person do. Not trying to trip you up, but that seems to be the logical outcome. Just from memory it seems that saved people can be involved in a certain level of sin of the following. Fornication, Drunkenness, Brawling, Sloth etc. or Paul would not have had to exhort his churches to put those things away.
WCOF Chapter XVII Of the Perseverance of the Saints III
Nevertheless, they may, through the temptations of Satan and of the world, the prevalency of corruption remaining in them, and the neglect of the means of their preservation, fall into grievous sins; and, (((FOR A TIME))), continue therein: whereby they incur God's displeasure, and grieve His Holy Spirit, come to be deprived of some measure of their graces and comforts,
@1689Baptist I see. Yes, I don't think a born again person can sin to the level of an unbeliever for his entire life without some kind of divine discipline. I suppose he can try, but will be brought back.
@trident343 Also you said, "Is it logically possible to believe the Gospel and not be saved?" This is the reason I said in the video "he might have had something but it was not faith"
@1689Baptist Okay, I suppose that is fair. Its like 1 Corinthians 15: 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. I'm not sure what kind of belief it is, but I also have to keep in mind the rest of the chapter deals with fundamentals the Corinthians were not grasping like the Death, Burial, and Resurrection. Without which nobody can be saved if they do not believe those key points of doctrine.
@trident343 How can you say the Corinthians did not grasp it? In ch.15 Paul was just giving a summery of what he had already taught. Also if they did not grasp it could they really believe it?
1689baptist. Nice to know that you are trusting in your continual faith and not Christ's finished work on the cross. Are you even sure you are saved and can you give me one clear verse to reinforce your assurance of Salvation? I doubt it!
@jacksmack77 I do not trust my continual faith, I trust Christ, b/c I know the faith I have is not my own but Faith that Christ has Authored in me and He will finish it, Heb.12:2 I am confident of this very thing He that begun a good work in me will perform it, Php.1:6. I believe b/c I have eternal life Jon.3:16
@jacksmack77 You are waffling, you cant have it both ways. If he realizes he is a sinner and wants to be saved then that would also be a desire to leave his sins behind and follow Christ.
First of all. why would a Satanist want to be saved in such wickedness. John 3:19-20. The fact is you deny the instantaneousness of Salvation. John 3:36, John 5:24. My question for you is God's grace great enough to allow Satanists to be saved? Ephesians 1:6-7. And this is also a strawman considering that I've never met a Satanist that believed on Christ and then continued being a Satanist. Grow up!!!!!!
@jacksmack77 This is not a strawman. Yes a satanist can believe and be saved, I have heard of many that have, but God CHANGES them a FACT YOU DENY. You teach a single moment of faith that changes nothing in the person and can be forgotten as if it never happened. Tell me what is the difference in a fornicator that continues as if there was no faith.
Do Jack and Greg even UNDERSTAND the parable of the Sower and the Seed? Obviously the wayside seeds were gobbled up and NEVER took any root or even had a chance to sprout or anything. BUT the next two were SEEMINGLY saved. One was from seed in stony ground or places and the other was amongst thorns. I am sure they SEEMED to believe and get saved. Yet looks can be deceiving. Gazillions went forward to get saved at Finney's and Grahams revivals. Were they? Matt 13:8 but SOME fell on good soil....
There are different kinds of belief and different kinds of faith.
Ask any Catholic priest if he believes in Jesus and he'll say yes. Ask a Jehovah's Witness if he believes in Jesus and he'll say yes, too. Ask a Pentecostal the same thing, you'll get the same answer. Doesn't mean they're saved. Doctrinal/creed conversions are NOT saving faith. You can believe every single FACT in the Bible about Christ and still be lost. Only the effectual call of the Father draws sinners to the Savior.
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well anyway i would think it's okay for A Satanist Believe Once And Remain A Satanist. simply for the perspective regained. but it's all decided with in our own choosing!
cause when we sin, and believe me we do some times to! it is not cause some one tells us that we have done so! its because we might have done something in body or mind that we generally don't feel comforted by!
but it is our choosing whether it is a sin or not!
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siggesatan 2 months ago
@fractalfires schizoid demonic deity, another word for it is a demiurg m8
siggesatan 2 months ago
What is the will of the Father????? John 6;40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that everyone who sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The LORD has shown me about these wolves the last few days. Read my blog . lemirecassiedaughterofgod.blogspot.com
LemireCassie 2 months ago
True Christians will never stop believing. 1 John 2:19 is clear about that!
fundamentalchristian 3 months ago
@fractalfires "Why should we trust that he is good?"
More to the point Dougy, why would anyone trust ANYTHING a liar and filer of false DMCAs like YOU has to say? You really need to seek help both spiritually and emotionally. Oh, and learn to play the guitar. You are just embarrassing yourself.
KalElohim 7 months ago
@fractalfires I see you wont answer on my new video against you titled "The Problem Of Evil Proves Counterfeit Christian fractalfires To Be FALSE"
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@UpholdenByMercy LOL
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns Yes Ed, please provide to quote and chapter, verse, and page # from Hodge.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
the quote
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@UpholdenByMercy I agree brother.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns Ed if took the doggy poo tried to tempt you to eat it it is still proper to say that I tempted you no matter what effect it has on you. It is proper for people to say "Oh, Jeff went to tempt Ed to eat doggy poo!"
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns Jesus as a man had the physical ability to succumb to temptation but being God in the flesh He had no moral or spiritual ability there was simply NO desire for the thing offered. It would be the same as someone trying to tempt me to eat nasty dirty goo, I have the physical ability to eat it but there is not draw or desire to do so, only repulsion.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns Oh, so Jesus was drawn away by His own lust? Being tempted like as we are does not mean it had the same effect.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns Jesus temptations were external our temptations are internal. There was NOTHING in Jesus that would draw Him to the temptations. Our own lust draws us.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@UpholdenByMercy And you can include fractalfires in that statement. :(
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@UpholdenByMercy Thank you, I have not heard of him, but I knew if Ed was recommending him I needed to be careful.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns I am not trying to be disagreeable and I don't have an offended heart, I just don't trust heretics. If I remember right I answered that Paul Washer thing a long time ago, I believe you pulled him out of context and tried to make it look like he meant something he didn't mean, that is why I didn't catch on that it was his quote.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns No Ed, you messed up go look at my 1689Baptist main page you will find I have not signed out of this channel for 5 days. The point I wanted to make is I wouldn't trust anything YOU recommended for the simple reason it was YOU that recommended it. When it is on my video everything is addressed to me.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns And BTW, I did not do research, I ran a quick Google search big difference.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns You said, "yet you answered as " UpholdenByMercy" No I didn't, I gave you my answer. ALL questions are directed at me on my videos.
What do you want me to block you so you can run around boo-hooing playing the martyr, HA, give me a break.
If you don't like someone claiming he was a Quaker go find the website that made the claim and argue with them, it is nothing to me.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns I am very careful who I read after. And I read non-reformed books only when needed to understand their position for arguments sake.
I am at my computer and when I get a new email I get a peep, so I can answer within seconds when I am at my computer. And as I said I can answer for whom ever I want, also I am sure UpholdenByMercy will give you his answer.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns I ran a search on the internet and that is what I found. No I am not UpholdenByMercy and you are an idiot if you think I am. This is my video and I can answer who and when I want.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns I have not read him, and I don't know if I will "Roland Bainton, a Quaker" that is already a problem for me. But I will check around to find out if he is reliable or not.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@UpholdenByMercy Amen!
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns Calvin was not a murder, he was just in what he did, in the OT children were stoned for disobedience to parents, Geneva's government was set up like the OT, Geneva was simply following God's laws. I AM NOT SAYING WE SHOULD but if we did this today we would have a lot less bad thing going on in our society.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns You said, "It takes no faith to confess our sins and imperfections" Yes it does! And I am not even going to explain it to you, lets see if you are smart enough to figure it out.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns "Jesus told people to have faith in God and He rebuked people for having no faith or little faith and praised others for having great faith." ED would you please shut up! Do you realize how many times I have seen this stupid comment from you? I think if I see it one more time I am going to kick you off! Do you ever get tired of beating a dead horse? You and your tired, worn out, stupid arguments.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns Dude what are you talking about? This comment does not even make sense in the context of my comment. Whew!
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns If you don't know the difference in positional sanctification and practical sanctification, then you have no understanding
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@ele12957returns You said, "The phrase “die to self” is nowhere to be found in the Scripture" Hey ED, I think these come close enough. Rom_8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Col_3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth;
This is the difference between positional sanctification and practical sanctification.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
1689Baptist....
In the Greek (specifically John) When speaking of those who had/have TRUE saving born again faith, John uses the PRESENT tense, which means it starts at a point and CONTINUES... when referring to people that SAY they believe (but really don't) John uses the aorist tense (punctiliar) which means in laymans terms a "snapshot" or "point" in time, but not continuing; or the perfect tense.. refer to John 8:31 and then John 8:45 for example... Keep up the good work!
ronathanedwards 7 months ago
If we don't have to continue in faith to remain saved? So those who fall away from the faith are saved? 2 Peter says that those who fall away are worse off then they began. Jesus said those "in Him" who do not bear fruit will be taken away. He who does not abide will be cut off, and thrown into the fire.
DIVINESOTERIOLOGY 7 months ago
@1689Baptist Dont feel singled out. I Blocked ALL Calvinists with the exeption of M1tchish.
trident343 7 months ago
@trident343 Don't you think that is kind of stupid especially when you unblock me from time to time. One thing that angers me is for people to block me but don't seem to see the contradiction of commenting on my channel with me being blocked from theirs. What arrogance! And I am not trying to be mean, I am just angry.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
@1689Baptist Who I block and when I block is my preference. And I explained to you that I just blocked ALL Calvinists. Wouldn't that imply my block was not explicitly because of you?
Why are you angry? I didn't leave any new comments or anything you would want to respond to.
trident343 7 months ago
@trident343 You said, "Who I block and when I block is my preference" Of course it is, I never said otherwise. It is the principle of the thing that angers me. I don't know how you can comment on peoples channels and videos that you have blocked? I would feel guilty, I could not block someone then go comment on their videos.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
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trident343 8 months ago
@trident343 Why did you remove your comment? "@Crawforda1769 This is true. The LS people need Solomon to repent so it can affirm their theology. Ecclesiates is about depression and an existential crisis of having no meaning. But I didn't read a turning back to God out if it. So thus could be a "Sorrow if the world" they warn us about?"
I know this theory and reject it.
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1689Baptist 8 months ago
@trident343
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I had a preacher tell me once "be careful getting doctrine from Ecclesiastes, it is true Solomon said it, but it is not always true what Solomon said". My question is what is it doing as part of the Canon of Scripture? Why was it not removed with the rest of the Apocrypha. The word Ecclesiastes means preacher, it is a common understanding that he is preaching against his life of vanity as any good preacher would.
1689Baptist 8 months ago
@trident343 Why do you keep blocking me? What is your problem? We have good conversations in our comments back and forth then the next thing I know you block me again. Are you unstable? I just don't get this blocking thing it is ridiculous, I have never blocked you, Liz, Monty, jack, greg, ele, fractal, and I don't even go and spam your page.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
jeff, your response is full of eisegesis and speculation. we don't have a direct date of when Ecclesiastes was written except for that it was written later in life. was it written before or after solomon's falling into sin is not clear unless you want to force it into the story. The only danger of using Ecclesiastes to prove his repentance it you're forcing the unclear on the clear scripture..
crawforda1769 8 months ago
@GRANTEDREPENTANCE I second your notion of when you block someone, it blocks their comments or hides them. The humanistic heretic refuses any scripture thats in contradiction to his idol worship and rewords/twists them such as the three I posted.
JesusforLife2 8 months ago
@GRANTEDREPENTANCE Satan12957returns really is a waste of time and a wicked deciever/twister. He mangles scripture completely such as:
Eph 2:8 "We are saved by "FAITH" through "GRACE""
Galatians 3:24 - "Therefore the Law "ISN'T" our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith."
John 6:29 - "Jesus answered and said to them, "This is "NOT" the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."
Satan12957returns is a lying decieving cowardly snake.
JesusforLife2 8 months ago
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@KeithTruth. This guy Keith Truth is a wicked, lost heretic who has no grace and is on his way to hell ... and quite frankly, can't spell! "judgment" James 2:10.
jacksmack77 8 months ago
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jacksmack77 8 months ago
This guy jack is a wicked lost heretic leading people to judgement. Turning grace to a license to sin.
KeithTruth 8 months ago
1689baptist. Why would someone want to believe only to continue sinning? Duh. Maybe because we are ALL sinners in need of God's grace and have a biblical awareness of this. You need to read some LS Chafer.
jacksmack77 8 months ago
Your answer concerning Ecclesiastes is not a strong one. There was no repentance of Solomon when he went off into idolatry. If he was truly repentant, would he seek to have Jeraboam killed (1 kings 11:40)? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I would like to see you defend your beliefs from the Bible and not John Gill.
crawforda1769 8 months ago
@crawforda1769 I don't know what proof you need, the book of Ecclesiastes is proof enough. I just used Gill to show you the common knowledge among those that spend their life studying the Bible, I have heard this preached long before I knew who Gill was.
Jeroboam fled into Egypt, and was there until the death of Solomon. Solomon wanted to kill Jeroboam while he was still in rebellion, we don't know how long it was from that point to his death, Ecclesiastes was after this and before his death.
1689Baptist 8 months ago
@crawforda1769 You do know Solomon was a type of Christ right?
JesusforLife2 8 months ago
@JesusforLife2
"You do know that Solomon was a type of Christ right?" My answer to that question is: so?
crawforda1769 7 months ago
@crawforda1769 So someone who is a type of Christ, wrote some of the canon of the Bible, and whom God loved is in hell right now?
JesusforLife2 7 months ago
@JesusforLife2
I NEVER said Solomon was in hell, you're twisting my words around. I was asking Jeff a question about people who were like Solomon who lived for Christ in their early years and then "live like the devil." You're completely putting words in my mouth by saying something I didn't say.
Proverbs 18:13 "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."
crawforda1769 7 months ago
1689baptist. No. I was not being sarcastic. I know someone who believes Christ only died for the elect and then he says only the elect are saved and everyone else can lose their salvation. But then he swears up and down that you can't even know if you are elect. But, I've noticed that his main goal is to find verses that teach salvific loss.
jacksmack77 8 months ago
@jacksmack77 It sounds like this person in confused! Also I do believe that a person that is saved can never lose their salvation. The problem I have with your presentation of the Gospel is I believe there are many out there that want to "believe" only so they can continue there sinful lifestyle without condemnation, and we know what Paul said about that "God Forbid". I do not think it is possible for that person to have believed, and they have deceived themselves. We need to guard against this.
1689Baptist 8 months ago
@1689Baptist
"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject ; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."
I don't quite know exactly the doctrine you preach, but you have done well to know that we need to earnestly contend for the faith and being saved is not based on some one-time decision.
That said, do not strive with him, sir.
ricplay7890 8 months ago
1689baptist. I agree. I have stopped giving people assurance because the last person I have confirmed saved thought they could lose salvation, they also thought Christ only died for the elect! I regretted granted them saved! I now just present the gospel and how to receive it. 1 Corinthians 15:3-4. John 3:16.
jacksmack77 8 months ago
@jacksmack77 What do you mean by this comment? Are you being sarcastic? Losing salvation and Christ dying only for the elect are two incompatible doctrines, they cannot both be true. The doctrine of eternal salvation is inseparably tied to particular redemption. We do not have the authority to confirm nor disaffirm anyone's salvation.
1689Baptist 8 months ago
1689baptist. I guess I just know too many people that claim they were saved for several years but now they don't believe anymore.
jacksmack77 8 months ago
@jacksmack77 These people you are talking about I will admit may be is a state of backsliding and God is in the process of sanctifying them and will bring them to repentance, but then again they may not have really believed, and were never saved, and are on their way to hell. Either way, why in this world would you even want to give them assurance of salvation? Stripping a man of real assurance is one way for God to bring them back, and stripping them of false assurance can lead them to Christ.
1689Baptist 8 months ago
Instant salvation at the moment of faith.
John 6:35. 1 John 5:1. John 3:15, 16, 18, 36. John 5:24-25. Acts 16:31. Romans 4:5. John 20:31. John 1:12, John 11:25-26. 1 Timothy 1:16. Romans 1:16. Romans 3:26, Romans 3:28. Galatians 3:22. Galatians 3:26. 1 John 5:13. Galatians 2:16. 2 Timothy 1:12. Luke 7:50. Luke 8:50. Luke 8:12. 1 Corinthians 1:21. John 7:38. John 6:40, John 6:47. John 4:14. John 10:42. Romans 5:1. Ephesians 2:8-9. Ephesians 1:13. John 11:40.
jacksmack77 8 months ago
@jacksmack77 Of course we have Instant salvation at the moment of faith, but faith is not a dot in the past, faith is a line that begins then goes into eternity (watch beginning ------------------------------------------------------>eternity) Now the line has a beginning and that is past tense, hence the verses that that have believ- with an -ed (Greek or English), they are referring to a point in the past when faith began, but in NO WAY PROVE that faith does not continue.
1689Baptist 8 months ago
My one comment I would say against this video is that around 1:30-33, you said that a person could "believe for one moment and then kill babies and die in open rebellion to God" or something to the effect of that. The one objection I would say to your video on that subject is that Solomon, the wisest man on earth later on lived in open rebellion of God near the end of his life (I Kings 11.) Would you be implying that people like King Solomon are burning in hell because of what they've done?
crawforda1769 8 months ago
@crawforda1769 I still plan on giving you an answer in video form to your PM. As for Solomon, he did live in open rebellion for a time and God ripped the kingdom b/c of it, but Solomon came back to God in his old age.
1689Baptist 8 months ago
@1689Baptist
Where in Scripture does it say that Solomon did return to God in his old age? The Bible according to my reading said he turned away from God in his old age.
1 Kings 11:4 "For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father."
crawforda1769 8 months ago
@crawforda1769 The book of Ecclesiastes is his testimony of repentance.
Quote from John Gill
"(l). Solomon had apostatized from the church and people of God, and had followed idols; but now was brought back by repentance, and was gathered into the fold, from whence he had strayed as a lost sheep; and therefore chooses to call himself by this name, when he preached his recantation sermon, as this book may be said to be."
If you don't have it, download e-Sword it is free, so is Gill's commentary
1689Baptist 8 months ago
@crawforda1769 Why do you people always try to compare the people in the old testament, to New Testament believers? Solomon, was not 'indwelt' with the Holy Spirit either. We know, salvation is by grace, and New Testament believers are kept, by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the believer. But we see many times, the Spirit came upon, and then later left people in the OT.
Haukman66 8 months ago
@Haukman66
First of I do want to apologize for not responding to you (only because I was away from my laptop and had only a mobile phone to respond to Jeff real quick) but first off the main reason I adressed the issue of Solomon was the fact that Jeff mentioned something about getting saved and then going on some killing spree or something like that so I adressed Solomon.
crawforda1769 7 months ago
The reason why I brought up Solomon was because, other than the fact that I believe that people in the OT were saved by God's grace as well as in the NT, the events and people in the OT can be often mirrored in Christianity today.
Romans 15:4 "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope."
If we don't take heed to obeying God's word, we'll end up like some of the OT saints who did sin.
crawforda1769 7 months ago
@crawforda1769 I certainly believe people in the OT were saved by grace through faith as well. But we are told in the NT that those who continue in wickedness, show evidence they have not come to know Christ. See 1 John for all kinds of evidence for this. My point, is that many claim to be saved, but their lives do not show a heart being regenerated. God does not regenerate someone, give them the Holy Spirit, only to leave them to let sin abound.
Haukman66 7 months ago
@Blogrich55 Luke 10:28 (John Gill Exposition) Our Lord intimates by this, that, according to the tenor of the law, eternal life was not to be had without a complete and perfect performance of the duties of love to God, and to his neighbour, contained in these words; and this he suggests, in order to convict him of the impossibility of obtaining life by the works of the law, since such a performance cannot be made by man.
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trident343 8 months ago
Excellent video. The stupidity of antinomianism is astonishing!
fivepointbaptist 8 months ago
If anybody thinks they can see the Gospel of Christ crucified in the case if the Rich Young Ruler, they clearly do not know how to rightly divide the word of God.
trident343 8 months ago
The rich young ruler was offered theoretical salvation. If he completely obeyed the law. Jesus was exposing the RYR because he was self deluded in thinking he kept the commandents which is impossible.
trident343 8 months ago
No, you cannot read into the Gospel a decisional regeneration to turning away from sin. Only mercy received by faith alone in Christ alone. One only need call apon God when he realizes his helpless state. A changed heart given by God will produce good fruit therof
trident343 8 months ago
The account of the rich young ruler in Mk.10:17-22 destroys his argument. This man knew Jesus and wanted to follow him and gain eternal life. Jesus cut through his lofty facade by exposing him to the 10th commandment. The man lacked repentance and a true dying to self. This jacksmack77 preaches a different Christ and idolotry and he should be considered a curse. I would dust my feet off.
MustardSeedish 8 months ago
@MustardSeedish Luke 10:28 (John Gill Exposition) Our Lord intimates by this, that, according to the tenor of the law, eternal life was not to be had without a complete and perfect performance of the duties of love to God, and to his neighbour, contained in these words; and this he suggests, in order to convict him of the impossibility of obtaining life by the works of the law, since such a performance cannot be made by man.
trident343 8 months ago
@trident343 I too believe this. His inability to give up his riches was a mere symptom of a unregenerate heart. Salvation is of the Lord.
MustardSeedish 8 months ago
1 Crnths 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Ephesians 1:13 whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Galatians 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
trident343 8 months ago
@1689Baptist I think Rachel is preaching Law and not Gospel. She's not even mixing the two, as no Grace is mentioned.
"It truly is a narrow gate and if we carry on in sin, those sins will make us to fat to fit through!"
If salvation is contingent upon not sinning, it is by obedience to Gods law.
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
trident343 8 months ago
I will state though that the Gospel is not repentance (a turning away from sin) for that would imply the Gospel is Law. I'm not sure if you have ever said it was, but I have seen some Calvinist preachers assert that it is.
trident343 8 months ago
@trident343 We believe faith and repentance are both gifts from God, we are justified by faith alone, but repentance has to do with conversion. Both being a gift from God one wont be found without the other.
1689Baptist 8 months ago
@trident343 "the Gospel is not repentance (a turning away from sin"
The word repentance does NOT mean "a turning away from sin" Brother Tim. It means a change of mind. That a change of mind will result in a change of behavior is true. God bless you.
SmolyHoax 8 months ago
@SmolyHoax I totally agree. The issue ultimately is if Jeff believes that. I should of asked him for his definition of Repentance, but as it seems, he did not correct the definition of Repentance which I defined in the previous comment as a turning away from sin. He went on to say that repentance has to do with conversion. If that is the case, then that separates it from sanctification (good works necessarily result).
trident343 8 months ago
@trident343 I am in total agreement that repentance means a change of mind that is what conversion is, but as Rich pointed out a chance of mind results in a change of behavior. I would say conversion is the first step in sanctification which is a life long process.
1689Baptist 8 months ago
@trident343 [I will state though that the Gospel is not repentance (a turning away from sin)]
Is unbelief a sin? Do you have to turn away from this sin?
JesusforLife2 8 months ago
JackSmack = Heretic!
fredrockt47 8 months ago
Is it logically possible to believe the Gospel and not be saved? Esp. Being a Calvinist who believes God gives the faith?
trident343 8 months ago
@trident343 This is true, but as Clark pointed out it is also impossible for on to understand the Gospel and want to continue in sin. One must understand the Gospel to believe it, and if he believes it, he is believing what his wickedness did to Christ, and therefore wants rid of it. Therefore a mere moment of faith that does not continue is ludicrous.
1689Baptist 8 months ago
@1689Baptist But then again Christians do sin. So the issue is what kind of sin and how much can a saved person do. Not trying to trip you up, but that seems to be the logical outcome. Just from memory it seems that saved people can be involved in a certain level of sin of the following. Fornication, Drunkenness, Brawling, Sloth etc. or Paul would not have had to exhort his churches to put those things away.
trident343 8 months ago
@trident343
WCOF Chapter XVII Of the Perseverance of the Saints III
Nevertheless, they may, through the temptations of Satan and of the world, the prevalency of corruption remaining in them, and the neglect of the means of their preservation, fall into grievous sins; and, (((FOR A TIME))), continue therein: whereby they incur God's displeasure, and grieve His Holy Spirit, come to be deprived of some measure of their graces and comforts,
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1689Baptist 8 months ago
have their hearts hardened, and their consciences wounded; hurt and scandalize others, and bring temporal judgments upon themselves.
1689Baptist 8 months ago
@1689Baptist I see. Yes, I don't think a born again person can sin to the level of an unbeliever for his entire life without some kind of divine discipline. I suppose he can try, but will be brought back.
trident343 8 months ago
@trident343 Also you said, "Is it logically possible to believe the Gospel and not be saved?" This is the reason I said in the video "he might have had something but it was not faith"
1689Baptist 8 months ago
@1689Baptist Okay, I suppose that is fair. Its like 1 Corinthians 15: 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. I'm not sure what kind of belief it is, but I also have to keep in mind the rest of the chapter deals with fundamentals the Corinthians were not grasping like the Death, Burial, and Resurrection. Without which nobody can be saved if they do not believe those key points of doctrine.
trident343 8 months ago
@trident343 How can you say the Corinthians did not grasp it? In ch.15 Paul was just giving a summery of what he had already taught. Also if they did not grasp it could they really believe it?
1689Baptist 8 months ago
1689baptist. Nice to know that you are trusting in your continual faith and not Christ's finished work on the cross. Are you even sure you are saved and can you give me one clear verse to reinforce your assurance of Salvation? I doubt it!
jacksmack77 8 months ago
@jacksmack77 I do not trust my continual faith, I trust Christ, b/c I know the faith I have is not my own but Faith that Christ has Authored in me and He will finish it, Heb.12:2 I am confident of this very thing He that begun a good work in me will perform it, Php.1:6. I believe b/c I have eternal life Jon.3:16
1689Baptist 8 months ago
1689baptist. No it is not possible that this Satanist to have faith. John 3:19-20. He must realize he is a sinner and want to be saved. Romans 3:23.
jacksmack77 8 months ago
@jacksmack77 You are waffling, you cant have it both ways. If he realizes he is a sinner and wants to be saved then that would also be a desire to leave his sins behind and follow Christ.
1689Baptist 8 months ago
First of all. why would a Satanist want to be saved in such wickedness. John 3:19-20. The fact is you deny the instantaneousness of Salvation. John 3:36, John 5:24. My question for you is God's grace great enough to allow Satanists to be saved? Ephesians 1:6-7. And this is also a strawman considering that I've never met a Satanist that believed on Christ and then continued being a Satanist. Grow up!!!!!!
jacksmack77 8 months ago
@jacksmack77 This is not a strawman. Yes a satanist can believe and be saved, I have heard of many that have, but God CHANGES them a FACT YOU DENY. You teach a single moment of faith that changes nothing in the person and can be forgotten as if it never happened. Tell me what is the difference in a fornicator that continues as if there was no faith.
1689Baptist 8 months ago
Do Jack and Greg even UNDERSTAND the parable of the Sower and the Seed? Obviously the wayside seeds were gobbled up and NEVER took any root or even had a chance to sprout or anything. BUT the next two were SEEMINGLY saved. One was from seed in stony ground or places and the other was amongst thorns. I am sure they SEEMED to believe and get saved. Yet looks can be deceiving. Gazillions went forward to get saved at Finney's and Grahams revivals. Were they? Matt 13:8 but SOME fell on good soil....
Blogrich55 8 months ago