WeAreChangeLA questions Presidential candidate Mike Gravel

[TheJoester1992]

Maybe I am being too optimistic and seeing this in a glass half-full light. But I'd say, in a sense, Americans are learning. Just look at the prospect of a war with Iran which is almost impossible right now. Public opinion appears to be totally against it. However if this was 2002 and Bush called for it based on whatever reason. I think that people would have followed through with it.

[robstuk666]

Power grabs are inevitable, and will always happen. Ever play the board game risk?

[MadRavolt]

I suppose Mike Gravel has to choose where and when he can talk about it.I am sure many of the officers and politicians who have come out with the truth,may be being watched or at least they should be wary to that fact.ABLE DANGER is an issue that is 'ably dangerous'

[mrmanly31]

Gravel has been the most outspoken candidate against American imperialism, he also openly calls for a new 911 investigation with subpoena power. So, not to sure what you were implying, but I think he answered the core issue of your question. Take power away from special interest owned media and government, give it to the people so they can make the changes needed to educate themselves about false flags. There may be attempts to regain lost power, but you can't change the nature of the beast.

[Valerian1]

whats a trimtab? jeremy, we appreciate your erudition.. but what is your solution? you want perfection? we need solidarity among the subversive, not obscure divisions.

[Beatleha]

Executive Branch Dream Team = Dr. Ron Paul, Jesse Ventura, Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, Cynthia McKinney, Robert Wexler, Marci Karput, Ralph Nadar, Russell Means, Peter Schiff. Bob Barr

[frnnk]

alex jones is the truth and the general

ron paul is the figurehead, our president

luke rudowski, the 1st major of this war, kicking ass all over ny

we are growing in power. as long as we have these rights, let's excercise them.

[jbreezes]

Loved the questions asked, but couldn't hear his answers.

[cycimian]

National, interesting concept, I used to love my Canadas national sovergn rights to own 51% of reource based companys, I used to like the fact we Owned our own Oil companys,

Seems these few Ziocons will create wars to get what they can not subvertly steal from their Neighbors and Allies, Time for Change,

And its a world wide changeing of the establishment and a reunification of power to the informed people that will happen,

[lilchico4wg]

add subtitles!!!! gravel has a rather low voice in this video. great one thanx

[centrino105]

Shumonik1 I like what you have to say my friend. You are right on the money on this. This is about truth and justice and the salvation of our country from the clutches of a truely evil cabal.

[r3s3t063]

does he speak to anything contrary to false-flag terrorism? fucking hardly.

maybe if this question wasn't so diluted he would have understood what was being asked.

if anything, this seems like a cheap attempt to discredit gravel and it failed pretty hard.

[Shumonik1]

It was not an attempt to discredit Gravel. I wouldn't even label it a confrontation. I just asked a question that I thought he could and should speak to. Articulating the mechanism of the psyop and false-flag in general and around 9-1 especially is probably on e of the most potent consciousness transformers out there.

Many of his supporters haven't really grappled with the depth of it and I don't think he has either. I've given him information before. many people have. He's said some.

[Shumonik1]

But he can and needs to say more.

If we don't confront the truth of 9-11 and pursue justice in a serious way, any hope for global democracy will be washed away in the short term to another, bigger provocation as Cheney and Chertoff are promising us.

Empower the people with the knowledge of false-flags and work to stop the next 9-11 by speaking seriously about 9-11 treason. it's our duty as Americans.

It was really a softball question for a man of his caliber. I admit it was too long though.

[mysticalmaven]

Why does he "need" to say more - because you want him to?

Stop acting like a petty dictator. He'll speak to what he wants and what moves him, NOT what moves you.

[Shumonik1]

Not a petty dictator, just an engaged intellectual and citizen arguing for the idea of duty into relationship to calling out treason and mass murder.

Who else, but candidates for the president of the USA have a responsibility to call out the truth of treason in and beyond the White House in complicity with the murder of almost 3000 Americans.

I'm not saying everybody has to have the same "interests," this is a moral, civil and spiritual duty for anyone who cares about their country at all.

[mysticalmaven]

You guys act like u just invented the wheel. It was invented by righteous souls long before u were born who'll be remembered long after your gone. You show no respect for those that came before you. Get over yourselves. You are legends in your own minds and u haven't even done anything yet. You can't even pose a coherent question. You were more interested in hijacking his audience since u can't muster one of your own. Try learning from more experienced people like Gravel and you might get a clue

[Shumonik1]

Why are you insulting me?

I didn't insult Mike Gravel or you.

Of course I show respect for those that came before. That's why I started off by giving Gravel respect for one thing among many that he has done that is worthy of great respect.

But while to you "respect" means bowing down and not engaging in intense argumentation and critique, respect to me is treating someone like I would want to be treated, that means being asked questions that are more difficult to deal with.

[Shumonik1]

I don't consider myself a legend in my own mind. I'm just working to do what I think is right around something that has great urgency and there is great dispute, tension and emotion about dealing with.

I didn't hijack the audience, I engaged in a rare opportunity to ask a presidential candidate a question with some historical substance and conceptual skeleton to it with a group of engaged citizens holding the public space, which is very rare these days.

[mysticalmaven]

The question is why are you insulting Gravel and his supporters by insisting they tackle issues important to you, but not them? And then you have the gall to claim to respect him while at the same time exploiting him in a confrontational video designed to drive up views and grab attention. He has the God given right to pick and choose his battles and maybe false flag terror ISN'T one of them. Get over it! Different strokes for different folks. I have nothing but contempt for your grandstanding.

[Shumonik1]

How was it grandstanding? Because it was videotaped and we put it on the internet? As if the whole thing is to gain viewership, boost egos and sell ads or something.

I had hoped that he would make a serious statement in response to the way that false-flag events have perpetrated fear and anger in people and driven nations to war.

Of course he has the right to not say something. I didn't call him scum. But meanwhile, it seems like he ducked false-flag terrorism as a historical pattern.

[Shumonik1]

I stand by making the case that speaking the truth and seeking justice for 9-11 is not an "issue," it is a civic and moral pre-requisite to having a functioning government that can actually deal with the "issues."

I'll bet I care about almost every issue that Gravel supporters care about. Same thing with the peace movement. But when it comes to dealing with criminals in our own government complicit in murdering our fellow citizens of America, there's alot of "that's your issue."

BS!

[fresshness2001]

I can hardly understand what Gravel is saying. It's strange, he is the one with the microphone.

[r3s3t063]

cheap handycams with built-in microphones don't capture distant sound well, and amplification doesn't help much either.

[freedomwv]

Gravel has got some good ideas but this brings up a good point. Why will Gravel not talk about false flag terror?

[uterfan]

thinking for even one second that Mike Gravel intends some kind of "New World Order" Bullshit, shows that you haven't done enough research on him...

Mike Gravel will uncover all the secrets of the government that shouldnt be secret, he will uncover spy activities and he will bomb the torture prisons and much more.

America would be a different America under Gravel...and we all want the world to profit from that.

[Shumonik1]

I didn't say that I think Mike Gravel "intends some kind of "New World Order""

I do think that even though his intentions are very good, I disagree with some of his means.

No one here is implying that Gravel works for the New World Order or intends to usher in a Global Dictatoriship or anything like that. But certain strategies have unintended consequences and I think Gravel's scapegoating of the nation-state will only serve those who want to weaken the sovereignty of the people.

[Shumonik1]

The best way to empower people at the global level is for the people to take a hold of their national governments and use them to create laws and hold global corporations accountable to them. We want to create a race tot he top by inspiring each other internationally.

And the best thing that the American people can do for the people of the world is not to institute global direct democracy, but to call out the treason in our midst and take a hold of the powers of our Constitutional Republic.

[Shumonik1]

He 1st says, "I have no magic solution" then he proposes a magic solution of a new system of direct democracy. Remember, Hitler came to power under democratic guise and then proceeded to terrorize the German people with the Reichstag Fire and Operation Himmler to the point that the majority of Germans desired for him to take further dictatorial power and go to war with Poland and the world. No system is full proof, only people with knowledge and wisdom can safeguard their freedom.

[wearechange]

Gregory your the man!

[fasdl]

Wow this guy is smart. Make him president.

[ben4gravel]

your question was so long and rambling i wouldn't even know how to answer it. and i also don't understand how he 'ducked' the question. he probably answered it to the best of his ability with the wording you gave him.

[Shumonik1]

No, he knows what I am talking about. He is a learned man. I have spoken to him before about this. I think Gravel, just in terms of what he did around the Pentagon Papers and the draft has shown more moral courage than basically any other "representative" we have now.

That is why I don't understand why he won't speak more strongly to the mass-murder treason of 9-11 that put fear into the American psyche and launched the subsequent wars that have killed over a million people.

[smh2224]

How, exactly did he dodge the question?

[wearechangela]

The question was concerning False Flag operations. He dodged the question.

[ben4gravel]

uh no he didn't. if you have to explain to someone what the question is after you've spent two minutes trying to ask it, and his answer doesn't perfectly fit what you were looking for, thats not dodging at all.

[Shumonik1]

No, he decided not to speak to the specific part of my comment and question, having to do with the understanding of false-flag events as a trim tab of understanding.

He addressed it obliquely only in the 1st line he spoke about not having any magic solutions. But can you imagine how the knowledge of 9-11 and its ongoing cover-up as treason would affect the consciousness of the middle of this country, the so called "right" that folx on the "left" want to turn into enemies?

[Shumonik1]

I appreciate that he gave his solution to the problem of Empire and war-mongering. But he also did dodge the specific machinations and mechanisms of how Empire is catalyzed by not speaking to these catalytic events such as the USS Maine, Gulf of Tonkin and 9-11.

He's still more of a man of the people than basically any of our Congress right now. I just think he is a little off in terms of some of his wisdom about what needs to be talked about, what strategies are wise and what is most potent

[Shumonik1]

He didn't speak to the implications of the people understanding the long historical track record of false-flag events used as trim tabs to push countries into war. If the whole of America and the world knew what actually happened on 9-11, historical, political and social consciousness would be profoundly transformed and empowered to create a better future fairly quickly.

He didn't talk about false-flags or 9-11 at all. Instead he spoke to creating "fail safe" democratic systems. No such thing.

[gmfutube]

If you want to hear Gravel's views on how fear is used against us, see the videos of him at Pepperdine.

As for fals flag events - you must remember this is the man who published the Pentagon Papers.

He has also said that he would fully support a new investigation into 9/11!

No other candidate has promised that.

[Shumonik1]

That's why I asked him about this. I respect what he has done and said so far. I want him to go further. If he went and delivered treason papers to federal judges, as is the mandate for any citizen that knows of treason, he could create a news story, rather than mincing words about the treasonous attack of 9-11 and remaining anonymous to the vast majority of American people.

I call on him to be morally and intellectually courageous around this because he is clearly up to the task.

[gmfutube]

watch?v=LqtCFV00pyw

He mentions 911 in this video too.

The problem is he gets no media coverage. The majority of people don't know about him, b/c they depend on the TV for information.

[Voiceofjon]

What he meant is a Global Souvernity Instead of just an American Souvernity.

[Voiceofjon]

I think he anwsered the question, but you are thinking about a different global Governence. You want to know more Check out his book Citzen Power.

[oldhacks]

great fucking question. Mike's the only guy out there with people asking him such specific questions about real fundamental issues that effect our lives. A national initiative or a dust bowl civil war with three fronts. thats whats really at stake in my eyes.

[Vektor417]

911TRUTH[.]ORG

February 15, 2008

...(A few days ago, Michael Chertoff, head of Homeland Security, essentially told reporters that he fears the next 9/11, which could be a suitcase nuke. Yesterday, in threatening to veto a waterboarding ban, Bush said, and I quote, "terrorists are planning new attacks on our country... that will make Sept. 11 pale by comparison.")

[photofu]

well done changela, but also well done MR.GRAVEL08.

[jclayton59466]

Bloggers will always have the upper hand. They get a big fanbase because bloggers stay with the same views etc while State run media changes their opinion on a regular basis. Blogs are also easier to access than specific views on vital issues.

[lestliness]

Until they shut down the internet... but I agree.

[jclayton59466]

Shut in down? Or police and control?

Whick is worse???

[WindHarps]

"Gravel answers by calling for a One-world government and an end to the sovereignty of the U.S.A." ... Afterward, I had a few moments of speechlessness. Walking on...

[gmfutube]

You have One-world government NOW.

You are being governed by corporations, how are you liking that?

[WindHarps]

My time, thoughts, and views are solid. Communication with you would be a waste.

[gmfutube]

Only those who's views are based on nothing fear discussion of them.

[CounterRevolutionary]

Great question Jeremy, Gravel needed subtitles though.

[Vektor417]

indeed, and using the word "confronts" along-side Mike Gravel is just wrong. Pentagon Papers, Filibustered the end of the draft, is for a MAJOR new 911 investigation, wants w and dick in jail... and in the video he isn't even allowed to make his case for we cannot hear him.

[DStyle86]

I never imagined Gravel to be such a traitor to the Constitution. The first time I saw him, he condemned the Iraq-War and I thought he was ok apart from the other Democratic candidates. I stand corrected.

[gmfutube]

How is wanting to amend the Constitution being a traitor?

Our nation is supposed to be based on freedom and justice...what has Grave said against that?

[DStyle86]

How is ignoring the fact that world-government is treason to the US not stupid?

[gmfutube]

1. we are a global society > we need some global rules.

Currently the corps & banks make their own rules. How is that working for you?

Is having a US government treason to your state? Would you rather the states decide their conflicts with troops or courts & laws?

[Shumonik1]

I agree with the fact that we have global "rules" already as made by the strong arm tactics of the banks and corporations.

I just see it as similar to a community at any level, in that we have a group of psycho or sociopathic egotistical individuals or groups that have made their will the law of the entire planet.

It's similar to saying that the problem with a psychopathic criminal is that he has an ego and thus we all should dissolve our egos into the "will of the community."

[Shumonik1]

Healthy national sovereignty, and more importantly information and knowledge in the hands of all people, is the perfect counterbalance to global corporations. This is why the global oligarchs seek to undermine US sovereignty, because the people in the US have made great strides over the decades in terms of human rights, worker rights, ecological protection. If they can undermine the US, then they will have no problem completely undermining any "system" for global governance, as they have.

[gmfutube]

Global governance should only address Global issues and rights.

Global product and worker safety rights.

If we had that, our jobs would not have left they way they have.

If there were global regulations on corporations right now, we wouldn't be looking at the immigration problem we have.

[Shumonik1]

I agree completely with you about taking the best of our accomplishments as people of the world and applyign them across the board. The problem I see is in thinking that our ails come from the level or even form of governance that we have, such as the nation state. Gravel said that global governance has been taken over, he is right about that, but then he said that it was taken over by the nation state. That's not true. It has been taken over by folx and groups from some nation states.

[Shumonik1]

We completely agree on the ends here. It's just a question of means. I think that the best way to empower the people at the global level, and Gravel does speak to this in terms of his idea for direct democratic legislative power coming from the roots up, but meanwhile, they way to d it is to strengthen sovereignty at all levels from the individual on up to the nation state. The problem with making the move to a seriously bindng global goverment is that you then have no balance of powers.

[Truthstorm911]

Well he seems willing to talk about taboo subjects such as global government so maybe he is willing to address false flags and 9/11 with a little more prodding.

[gmfutube]

He has.

watch?v=LqtCFV00pyw