Maulid with Habib Umar Bin Hafiz

[TShaikh05]

no one can love the prophets (SAWS) as much as the sahabas did. and the sahabas never celebrated the maulid. the maulid was in fact innovated by the fatimads who were actually shias. plus we do not exactly know when the prophet (SAWS) was born...but we know that he passed away in that month...so doing the maulid would mean you are celebrating the death of the prophet (SAWS) astaghfirullah.

[ilovchocolate100]

@TShaikh05 the fact that your denying such a blessed ocassion showsa blackness in your heart. yes, the sahabas didnt celebrate it, but they breathed the very air the prophet saw breathed. in this day an age, we need reminders. we need to be thankful for this bounty allah swt has blessed us with. are you really going to deny it? look at what happens in a mawlid- recitation of the quran. praises and stories of the prophet saw are told.peope are united= all from the sunnah.

[ilovchocolate100]

@TShaikh05 show allah swt that you love his blessed messenger.the prophet saw came as a mercy to u, yet ur going to turn away at the moment the mercy came to u.instead of celebrating passing your exams, birthdays etc, celebrate the period from which the prophet saw came to us.we have so much to be grateful for.he took us away from the darkness and into the light, he brought us a perfect deen and a perect way of life to adhere to. respect him, praise him, at every given opportunity.salaam :-)

[TShaikh05]

@ilovchocolate100 i do love the messenger of allah (SAW)....how can you come to the masjid or these events once a year and claim that you love the prophet (SAW). now think about how do you really love the prophets (SAW)....you love him by obeying him and following the sunnah of the prophet. such as basically doing what he did. for example praying salat, giving zakat, growing your beard, and many more.

[ilovchocolate100]

@TShaikh05 alhamdhulillah most of the people i knw who partake in mawlids do everythng u said+more.whats more is tht they r pple filled with love.do u really think ur guaranteed jannah so u do not have to do anything extra?ur refusing an extra opportunity to praise the prophet saw is basically what your saying+that to me is really sad. muslims are known for being filled with love, always striving to do more, to please allah swt. dont u think allah will love u if you love what he loves the most?

[TShaikh05]

@ilovchocolate100 you read the sahih hadiths and you implement it in to your life. you love the prophet (SAW) by doing what he commanded you to do and keeping away from what he disapproved of or what he did not do.

[ilovchocolate100]

@TShaikh05 the mawlid increases faith, reminds those who have fallen, increases love and brotherhood amongst people, unites people. does this sound like its against the sunnah? seriously? instead of being brainwashed by people, think for yourself, look at the essence of a mawlid. its beautiful. and who said those partaking in mawlid dont follow the prophet saw? mawlids REMIND people to do exactly what you just said. to embrace the prophet saw's character. to love. to be kind. to be merciful.

[ilovchocolate100]

@TShaikh05 the main innovations intro at that time were false prophets,apostasy,tribes refusing to pay zakat etc-these acts lead the perpertrators outside the folds of islam. from this its absurd to categorise all innovations as misguidance. the prophet saw was talking about new acts which would cause apostasy to prevail+mischeif to spread. how can the celebration of the prophet saw be comparable to apostasy? to fully understand 'bidah' one must have knowledge of its technical+legal meanings

[TShaikh05]

@ilovchocolate100 The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us of that, as it was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours [i.e., Islam] that is not part of it will have it rejected.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, Kitaab al-Sulh, 2499).

[ilovchocolate100]

@TShaikh05 scholars agree that bidah is any new deed or action which finds no source either directly or indirectly in the quran+sunnah- people like you confine'bidah'to always have a negative implication.to any one with rationality they could gather that frm the hadith u presented, the prophet saw meant smthing that has absolutely no source in the quran+sunnah+has negatve implications+impacts on islam. again,look at the essence of a mawlid= every single practice is deriven from the quran+sunnah

[ilovchocolate100]

@TShaikh05 b4 throwing the word 'bidah' around study its linguistic meaning. frm the hadith u presented it distinguishes between types of actions that cn be deemed bidah. frm earlier eg its clear tht not every innovated matter is a misguidance. in the hadith the prophet saw suggests that the innovations he is discussing r those which will take place in his time+immediately after his holy demise. if we look at the main innovations intro at that time, they were bidah sayyiah(offensive innovation)

[ilovchocolate100]

@TShaikh05 .hw can individuals with limited knowledge declare virtuous acts as bidah sayyiah-they claim to b followers of authentic scholars+yet arent acquainted with their teachings.they claim 2 lov the prophet saw yet shun his praises.they claim to propogate 'true' islam yet have little knowledge on it. wrld renowned authorities dont debate on these issues as they are clear cut. society is full of damaging,unqualifid ppl who detatch ppl from true islam and away from th love of the prophet saw

[ilovchocolate100]

@TShaikh05 u are obviously not aware of bidah hasanah?(good innovation) there are so many examples of them bidah waajibah are necessary innovations- a new action which if omitted can lead to critical complications in the religion; e.g. the addition of vowels in the quran, the principles of quranic tafsir, sciences of hadith, establishment of islamic educational institutions= all 'bidah' by your definition as they werent present at tym of saw.+by ur mentality they shouldnt have been introduced?

[salaf83]

The Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) warned against the People of Innovation, from befriending, supporting or taking from them saying: "Whoever innovates or accommodates an innovator then upon him is the curse of Allaah, His Angels and the whole of mankind." Reported by Bukhaaree (12/41) and Muslim (9/140

[thestreetswithnoname]

Lau kaana khairan lasabaquuna ilaihi!

[truefinder1010]

masha allah.very nice mawlid.

I cant see Sheikh Habib umer in this vedio.where was this mawlid majlis

[ISLAMunsereRETTUNG]

is this mawlid for the birthday of the prophet (s)?

It is not Sunnah to celebrate it..

Is Habib Omar Sufi??

[lightdecore]

Mawlid is a blessed act and it is the Sunnah of Allah and HIS prophet. Allah has mentioned the Mawlid of Prohet Adam, Isa, Yahya and evan said to belivers that HE did a great favor to belivers so He sent prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. He said , salam to prophet Isa and Yahya the day they were born, the day they died and the day will will be rsurrected. It is in Haadith that prophet used to fast on Monday, upon asking he said that he was born or monday and the first revelation came same day.

[messagesfromtucson]

I pray that Muslims will have a full revelation of the true God and His loving character. I pray against the fear that influences Muslims. I pray that Muslims will also understand that God desires for everyone to know Him as children and not as slaves. I also pray that Muslims would experience God's total forgiveness and thus be able to forgive others, and that they would know the assurance of salvation through Jesus, something Islam can never offer them.

[qas86]

Our master Jesus was sent for the Children of Israel only

Our master Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam was sent for the whole of mankind

[matjagger]

@messagesfromtucson i know a dude called Mongomongo, he also offers salvation.

[AbdullahSaggaf]

salam...

[ipis000]

im with you brother the celebrating mawlid is prohibited and a innovation in islam. May who celebrate this mawlid, will stop from celebrating it, and go back to the Quran and sunnah of the prophet (peace be upon him)..

[qas86]

I recommend this.

livingislam(.)org /n/mwld_e(.)html#2

[childofdaghetto]

u do know at the time of the prophet the quran was nt compiled into a book

so i geuss we shud all go bk frm readin frm skin of animals etc

[ahliayasir]

Loved it!!! Thanks for the upload!

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Thank you brother. I just said what that has to be said.

[qas86]

Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal on the Sufis: I don't know people better than them. Someone said to him: "They listen to music and they reach states of ecstasy." He said: Do you prevent them from enjoying an hour with Allah? Imam Shafi`i: Be both a faqih and a sufi: do not be only one of them! Verily, by Allah's truth, I am advising you sincerely.

[qas86]

Full stop? WHY be arrogant?

Imam Malik: He who practices tasawwuf without learning Sacred Law corrupts his faith, while he who learns Sacred Law without practicing tasawwuf corrupts himself. Only he who combines the two proves true.

[surfdudu]

Salams,

Me not having any hujjah or daleel?

Then what abt the quotes that i've provided in the past few comments? Were you BLIND or couldnt be bothered to TRY to UNDERSTAND them at all?

This discussion is with you, Diver, is over as far as im concerned.

May Allah enlighten your heart and hopefully you'll realise the beauty of the Sufi way. Amin.

Wassalam

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Like I said, your hujjah & daleel were specious arguments flimsier than a spiders web. In which part of your arguments that said it is prescribed in Islam to celebrate the Mawlid? Where?

You applied the Quraanic verses in all the wrong places and the Hadeeths you produced were clearly fabricated. Everything is about you or what your ulama think. You dont give a damn to what Rasulullah had said in his many hadeeths warning the Ummah to refrain from making bidah.

[IAMNOTADIVER]

I give you one more hadeeth sahih. The prophet said The best of speech is the Book of Allaah, and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil of things are those which are newly-invented (in religion), and every innovation (Bidah) is a going astray. (Reported by Muslim and al-Nisaai). What do you say about all the hadeeths that Ive brought to you. Are you blind? Maybe your eyes arn't but your heart certainly is!

[surfdudu]

By the way,

I'm sure you guys must have heard that during the Qureyshi leaders' plan to get rid of Rasulullah S.A.W; there was an old man who had just arrived from najaf, and that it was he who had proposed the either that a person from each of the qureishi kuffar families send a representative to Rasulullah S.A.W's house that night so that they could all lay claim to killing Rasulullah S.A.W.

That old man wasn't a man; for he was actually the DEVIL IN DISGUISE.

Think abt it..

[IAMNOTADIVER]

What has this got to do with Mawlid? Is this another one of your frantic attempt to deviate from the topic ? The truth is Surfdudu, you have no Hujjah or daleel to stand on. You produced specious arguments which are flimsier than a spiders web! My advise to you brother,is stop being a LEMBU CUCUK HIDUNG!

Allah says in the Quran [al-Anaam 116 interpretation of the meaning]

And if you obey most of those on the earth, they will mislead you far away from Allaahs path

[surfdudu]

Salams everybody,

As it can be clearly seen, the salafis/wahhabites sheikhs' claims dont hold much water.

Their own sheikh comes 1300 yrs after Rasulullah S.A.W and yet how dare they say that wat has been done many2 centuries before the birth of their sheikh is wrong.

[salaf83]

quote: "Their own sheikh comes 1300 yrs after Rasulullah S.A.W" > isnt it the same as your 'scholars' ?? have done many times? did the sahabahs celebrated birthdays?? 'him' is this deviant habib umar hafiz. duh

[surfdudu]

Salams,

Our scholars have been around much earlier than yours.Some go back as far as the time of Rasulullah S.A.W; pls get your facts RIGHT.

Sufism not only advocates the understanding of the Quran n sunnah, but it also incorporates the teachings of Imam Ar-Rumi, Imam Ja'far Sadiq, Saiyidina Hasan, Saiyidina Hussein,Saiyidina Ali & most importantly, Rasulullah S.A.W.

To say that Habib Umar is deviant is absolutely ludacris as his ilm and teachings are based on the teachings of the ppl above.

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Once again, you have distorted the facts.

Sufism was not known in the time of the Prophet (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace) or his Companions, nor was it well known in the first three generations after them. It first appeared in Basrah in Iraq, where some people went to extremes in worship and in avoiding the worldly life, Sufism is a sect that has introduced many innovated practices and beliefs into the religion of Islam while claiming to be mystical.

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Who have been around first between our scholars has no consequences to us bec ause our beloved prophet had said in a hadeeth saheeh: The best of mankind are my generation (or my century), then those who come after them, then those who come after them. Then there will come a people who will not care if their testimony comes before their oath or vice versa (i.e., they will not take such matter seriously). (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Muslim and al-Tirmidhi).

[IAMNOTADIVER]

So you see Mr. Surfdudu, We do not taqleed blindly to anyone, unlike you, who'd jump and dance when asked by your sufi master even though you know those were not the teachings of the prophet (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace) or the sahabaahs!

[IAMNOTADIVER]

The commands mentioned in the Quraan and Sunnah to follow the laws of Allaah and His Messenger, and the prohibitions on introducing innovations into the religion are clear.

[QS 3:31]Say (O Muhammad to mankind): If you (really) love Allaah, then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Quraan and the Sunnah), Allaah will love you and forgive you your sins

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Mawlidur rasul is thus forbidden becuase it is not part of the Sunnah of the prophet. or of the khaleefahs who succeeded him. The proPhet himself said, "I urge you to follow my Sunnah and the way of the rightly-guided khaleefahs after me; adhere to it and cling to it firmly. Beware of newly-invented things, for every newly-invented thing is an innovation (bidah) and every innovation is a going-astray. (Narrated by Ahmad, 4/126; al-Tirmidhi no. 2676).

[salaf83]

amazing at these fitnah times when bid'ah is seen as sunnah and sunnah is seen as bid'ah. This is clear bid'ah. yet people with no knowledge still defiantly follow. The sunnah is dieing.

maulid is clear bid'ah yet they see as sunnah? True scholars have refuted him on important issues yet the there are still blind followers who still follow him. Indeed the sunnah is dieing...

[surfdudu]

Salams Salaf,

FItnah times? Is that a newly coined term by the salafs? Very quirky...

Could u kindly provide the list of the 'true scholars' and who is this 'him'?

[surfdudu]

Salams Diver,

U have definitely misintepreted my connotations this time round.

Yes, the celebrations that were present during the time of the sahabah are not as well defined as the maulids that we r celebrating now; but ithe niat is all the same. It is about celebrating the birth of our Prophet S.A.W.

I seriously think that your statement about Ali r.a n the sahabah was not very well thought thru...can u provide proof that NON of the companions celebrated the birth of Rasulullah S.A.W?

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Surf, you are the one who should show proof that Mawlid is not bidah so to ask me to proof otherwise is hypothetical. There is no Hujjah or daleel to begin with because during that time, celebration of the mawlid was not even known! There is nothing in the Quraan to say that we should celebrate the Mawlid. The Prophet himself did not do this or command anyone to do it, either during his lifetime or after his death.

[IAMNOTADIVER]

We know that the Sahabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) were the people who loved the Prophet most. Was it reported that Abu Bakr, who was the closest of people to him and the one who loved him the most, celebrated the birthday of the Prophet ? Was it reported that Umar, who ruled for twelve years, or Uthmaan, did this? Was it reported that Ali, his relative and foster son, did this? Was it reported that any of the Sahaabah did this? No, by Allaah!

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Or did any of the imaams Abu Haneefah, Maalik, al-Shaafii, Ahmad, do this or command others to do it or say that it was good? Never! It was not even mentioned during the first and best three centuries. The celebration of the Prophets birthday appeared many centuries later, when many of the features of true religion had vanished and bidah had become widespread.

[IAMNOTADIVER]

These, in itself are proofs that Mawlid or celebration of the prophet's birthday is a prohibited innovation. Where in the Quraan or Sunnah does it indicate that it is prescribed in Islam to celebrate the Prophets birthday? Whoever does that or thinks that it is good must repent to Allaah from this and from other kinds of bidah.

[qas86]

Where is the SPECIFIC prohibition on the mawlid? There is none. Why did the masters such as al-Suyuti perform it? Why did ibn Taymiyyah claim it to be greater than laylat al-Qadr?

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Mawlid is not part of the Sunnah of the Messenger or the khaleefahs who succeeded him. Since this is the case, then it is a PROHIBITED innovation, because the Prophet said: I urge you to follow my Sunnah and the way of the rightly-guided khaleefahs after me; adhere to it and cling to it firmly. Beware of newly-invented things, for every newly-invented thing is an innovation (bidah) and every innovation is a going-astray. (Narrated by Ahmad, 4/126; al-Tirmidhi no. 2676).

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Those were his (al Suyuti) opinion.But if one's opinion is found to go against that of the sunnah, then it is to be considered invalid. If Mawlid is greater than Laylat al-Qadar, why was it never mention in the Quran? With due respect, who is Ibn Taymiyyah compare to Allah??? I doubt very much Ibn Taymiyyah utter those words. It is a result of your too many spinning and twirling that you cannot tell fact to fiction!

[qas86]

Ibn Taymiyya said in his book Iqtida' Al Sirat Al Mustaqeem (Cairo, al-Fiqqi 1950 edition, pages 294 and 297)

"What some people innovated, either to emulate the Christians who celebrate the birth of `Isa (as) or out of love for the Prophet and in order to exalt him:

Allah MAY reward them for such love and effort but not for the innovations [...].

[qas86]

So one MAY magnify the birthdate of the Prophet upon him blessings and peace, AND treat it as a festival, perhaps obtaining IMMENSE REWARD for it because of his good intentions in honoring the Messenger of Allah."

[ullahm2299]

Well to answer your question "Where is the SPECIFIC prohibition on the mawlid?" you need to understand that this practice started after the death of Prophet (SAW). If you study the life of all rightly guided Khulafa E Rashedin, you will not find that they performed this action. Also please do your homework, and READ. Don't just listen what people says and even me. Read and learn your Deen.

[qas86]

my beautiful brother in this deen

we don't "read" our deen, we SIT at the feet hnourably infront of scholars (asking those who are in authority, in al-Qur'an) who have spent their entire lives studying and passing on via unbroken chains to the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam.

I don't need to argue about the mawlid; sometimes it is very difficult for people to accept due to their egos. But if the scholars allow it, then what's wrong?

The difference lies in the word "bid'ah"

[qas86]

some people claim that if the first three generations didn't do it, then it's bid'ah. I.e. if sahabas did it, it is fine (even if Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam didn't). Does this make sense?

Did the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam perform every single possible action in front of sahabas? No. So of course we may do something that will be different.

The famous blessed hadith on bid'ah - where does it mention that the bid'ah is only in deen? Can I wear blue trousers?

[shevchenco133]

Bidah Hasan - Is innovation which is possitive for the Ummah and there are Hadith about these.

Like praying Taraweeh Salaah in congregation was introducted by the blessed Sahaba.

[surfdudu]

About the Ummah celebrating the maulid by having feasts, i see nothing wrong for a muslim who wishes to feed his muslim brethren..

In fact, there is a hadiths by Imam Al Yamani thru Imam Syafii which encourages this;

Maulid Nabi is a celebration for everybody, doesnt matter which background you've come from, it is also a chance for the well heeled to feed the poor, and also for familes to strengthen their bonds by coming together while at the same time remembering Rasulullah S.A.W...

[surfdudu]

Salams Diver,

Here's a snippet of the many2 hadiths that advocate the celebration of Maulid Nabi S.A.W:

"Whoever who celebrates the birth of Rasulullah S.A.W (maulid nabi) will enter jannah when he passes away on earth"; Ali Ibn Abu Tholib r.a

"Whoever celebrates the birth of Rasulullah S.A.W, verily, his Iman is in check" Hadis Imam Al-Baghdadi

From the Quran, Surah Al-Anbiya, Verse 107:"And not have We created Him; But to be a blessing to all of His creations"

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Its strange  how Ali Bin Abi Tholib could have said that when the Maulid was not even known during his lifetime? In fact non of the companions of the prophet is reported to have celebrated the Maulid, ever!

The ayah Wamaa arsalnaka illa rahmatanlilAAalameen has nothing to do with the prophets birthday. Can you tell us who is the mufassir who said so? It is HARAM to perform Qur'anic interpretation with your own opinion or that suits your desire, so please be careful what you said.

[queenstarswinner]

IAMNOTADIVER , Translate al qur'an ke english mesti acurate lah dari bahasa asal arabic !!!Ini mesti kes panggil nabi isa a.s as Jesus macham org puteh juga!Tahu ke tak tahu si Jesus tu Kafir Lakhnat mati kena salip tapi Nabi Isa alaihisalam belum WAFAT!!! Jesus bukan nabi isa alaihisalam!!!Know the holy Qur'an first nanti boleh tahu awak tu kena tipu Shaitan dan terbaca translation Yahudi Lakhnatullah!Maulid nabi bid'ah konon boleh jalan dah!Mak bapak kau baru masuk islam ke???Tak malu!!!!

[surfdudu]

On another note,

i hope that the ppl who r responding to me won't deviate from the original topic; that is , about the celebration of our beloved Prophet (S.A.W).

Contrary to Wahabbite beliefs, Rasulullah S.A.W did celebrate his birthday, by fasting from subuh til maghrib. (Sahih Muslim)

With that, i would like to draw the line with this discussion. I love Rasulullah S.A.W & i disapprove of ppl who condemn the celebration of his b'day.

Wassalam

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Salam Surf, If I remember, you are the one who started to deviate from the topic when you started with your Wahabbi bashing. But I agree with you. Lets talk about Maulidir Rasul. So why do you think that we should celebrate the prophet's birthday?

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Isn't it ironic! Our beloved prophet fast on his birthday but his Ummah had a big feast with the briyani dam and all to commemorate the occasion. So where is the sunnah?

[queenstarswinner]

IAMNOTADIVER ,

Macham pandai tapi bodoh !!! Kenapa panggil tuhan as "He???Tuhan bukan lelaki atau perempuan nak panggil gunakan atas dasar jenis!Your neneks and datuks ajar ke apa??

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Aku dah jelaskan kepada kamu mengenai gantinama "HE" dalam gaya pertuturan bahasa Inggeris kenapa kamu masih tak paham?.Kasihan aku pada ahli keluarga kamu terutama anak-anak kamu kerana beribukan seorang yang bodoh dan jahil seperti kamu. Apalah nasib mereka dibelakang hari nanti?.

[queenstarswinner]

IAMNOTADIVER ,

Kau yg bodoh tak sedar diri!Keterunan Jahil ilmu dah sikit tapi nak tunjuk action !pegi dahhhhhh!Tak faham lagi ke surah al ikhlas!Mesti mak bapak kau pun bodoh sebab dah nampak anak dia sendiri bahalul!Kalau kail sejenkal lautan dalam jangan nak duga!!ha..ha..dah tua dah lah not a diver nak chakap besar kat sini!!!!

[surfdudu]

And by the way,

Just to let you guys know, your great sheikh even wanted to destroy Rasulullah's tomb.

They came close to destroying Saiyidina Hussein's and Ali's maqams but Allah didnt allow that to happen.

Please quote me a hadiths / surah which would vindicate these actions: None!

What Ibn Wahhab n his cronies have done is bid'ah itself (destroying graves) and to me, Ibn Wahhab is nothing but an individual who craved attention, and who

got that from the Sauds.

[surfdudu]

I have a question for all followers of Wahabbism/ Salafism:

What makes you so sure, that your sheikh, Muhammad Ibn Wahab, wasnt actually the devil in disguise?

Behold, he wasnt taught by any alim / teachers about Islam yet he himself preached the word of Islam.

Since you guys are good with hadiths n sunnah, haven't you guys heard the hadith that Islam can only be taught by an alim or a teacher n that for those who dont have one, verily the Devil will be the teacher?

[surfdudu]

Salam everyone,

As the replies have suggested, this is typical wahabbi/ salafi aggression.

Always full of riak n takabbur.

ben, please tell me or quote me a single ayat or surah which says that all bid'ah is wrong: None!

Not all bid'ah is wrong.

For this instance, what's wrong wif celebrating a great man's legacy?

Isn't that also an instance of thanking Allah for His divine creation?

[bencipadabidaah66]

Brother, we were just trying to help you out from your state of confusion so why the bitterness? We do not expect a thank you but the least you can do is acknowledge the mistake. Isnt that a sign of a person who is not a riak or a takabbur? Anyway, I am perplex why every time we ask the Ummah to return to the true teachings of the Quran and the Sunnah , people will deemed us as Wahabbis? Why Mr. Surfdudu? Why did you associate us with Wahabbis the moment we mention Bidah?

[surfdudu]

Salam Ben,

To answer your question Ben, the cornerstone of wahabbism is bidah. They lay siege on everything that isnt in the quran or hadiths and claim herecy eventhough it has been proven that it isn't.

As for asking the ummah to return to the quran or hadiths, isn't this bidah itself since there isnt a surah or ayat or hadith which would vindicate this?

Islam is plural; it transcends all boundaries n that is why it is a blessing for all mankind. I hope i've answered your queries :)

[bencipadabidaah66]

I do not wish to discuss Wahabbism or its doctrine because I do not taqleed to Imam Muhammad Ibn Abd Wahab therefore I would prefer to be impartial. Please do not judge me.

Anyway brother, your comments that it is Bidah to call the Ummah to the Quran and Hadeeth is blasphemous. If you reject these two most important fundamentals, then I have nothing else to say to you. Our conversation will end here.

[surfdudu]

OOO..a threat. Funny, you dont taqleed to Muhammad ibn Wahab, but you behave like you do.

Calling another muslim blasphemous is a great sin. May Allah and his chosen ones guide you to the right path.

Wallahu A'lam

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Surfdudu, I couldn't believe my eyes reading the statement you made about the bidah of calling the Ummah to return to the Quran and Hadith. I read it a few times hoping it iwas a typo error.

By Allah, do you really mean it? If so, what do you call a Muslim who denounce the Quran and hadiths sahih? You tell me!

[surfdudu]

Salams Diver,

Please read properly, i've never EVER denounced the Quran n hadiths. Ive never said that the quran n hadiths are not important.

Please DO NOT PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH.

What i did say is that the notion of calling the ummah to the quran n hadiths ALONE isn't necessary. What about tauheed n fiqh?

Your 'calling' is a cup that is half full.

My conscience is clear. Allah knows my niat too.

'Inna a'malu bin niat'

Wassalam

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Surf, I am sorry to misunderstood your statement and I take back what I said. But still you are contradicting yourself. If you want to learn Tauheed and Fiqh, you would have to refer the Quran and Sunnah of the prophet as guidance right? Surely you would not do what that was not prescribed to you, would you?

[surfdudu]

Salam everyone. Just remember wat our Great Prophet had said, & i quote: "La kum dinnukum, wali yadin"

Translation: You with your religion, and I'm wif mine.

If there are certain people who disagree with what's being shown in this video or others that are related to it; then that's their own personal choice. We respect your choice.

In retrospect, please respect our wishes if we choose to have maulids celebrating the birth of Our Great Prophet (S.A.W).

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Brother, you are confused. Firstly, Lakum dinukum wali yadeen is not a hadith but the last verse of surah Al-Kafiroon.

Secondly, As the name of the Surah suggested, it is intended to be use towards the Kuffar, not fellow Muslims. Please read the first verse of the Surah and tell me if I am wrong.

[IAMNOTADIVER]

The correct surah in this case would be

surah Al-Imran ayat 110:

' You [true believers in Islamic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad SAW and his Sunnah (legal ways, etc.)] are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma'ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden), and you believe in Allah."

So you see, we must forbid our fellow Muslims from Kemungkaran.

[bencipadabidaah66]

You'ge got the Quran and Hadeeth all mixed up.You should be able to tell the difference. Perhaps you spent too much time making Bid'ah when you should be learning Quran and the Sunnah like the understanding of the salafush-soleh!

[queenstarswinner]

~The Prophet Muhammad S.a.w was born on 12 Rabiul'awal and died on the same DATE and MONTH which was as his birthday 12' Rabiul'awal at the age of 65years old.

[queenstarswinner]

~Allahuma salli ala saidina Muhammad s.a.w~

[queenstarswinner]

IAMNOTADIVER ,

An example of a person who has malfuntioning on usage of the brain wisely is urself ofcourse!!!

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Do you believe in Hungary Ghost Festivals where the soul of the dead is said to visit the earth and roaming about on each of the seventh month of the chinese lunar calender?

[queenstarswinner]

IAMNOTADIVER ,

ha..ha..ha..Hungary Ghost Festivals?? You must be a new converter to Islam!Nexttime don't anyhow called other people fool now who is the FOOL himself!!! God give you brain to think. Think wisely!

[IAMNOTADIVER]

queenstarswinner,

Of course I don't believe in Hungary Ghost. What I am asking is for you, abumukthar and suryadi2 to think. If you belief that the soul of the prophet (PBUH) and other alim ulama' will come and visit each time you held their Mawlid, then you are no different from those who believe in Hungary Ghost. Did they not held special prayers each year thinking that the soul of their dead family members will come and visit?

[IAMNOTADIVER]

By the way queenstar, sorry for the metaphorical comparison. Of course you would not understand what I was trying to tell you due to your intellectual incompetence.

[queenstarswinner]

IAMNOTADIVER ,

You couldn't be a muslim if you said like that!Hypocrite~~Get Lost!!!

To compare between a kafirrin soul n muslim soul??You rr PATHETIC you don't even know to tell the different!!!Where did you just come from??ISRAEL ofcourse !for one think i know you Jews hate The Prophet of Allah~Now get lost Yahudi Lakhnatullah/Munafiq Lakhnatullah!!!

[queenstarswinner]

IAMNOTADIVER ,

You couldn't be a muslim if you said like that!Hypocrite~~Get Lost!!!

To compare between a kafirrin soul n muslim soul??You rr PATHETIC you don't even know to tell the different!!!Where did you just come from??ISRAEL ofcourse !for one think i know you Jews hate The Prophet of Allah~Now get lost Yahudi Lakhnatullah/Munafiq Lakhnatullah!!!

[IAMNOTADIVER]

Again you fail to understand the relevance. But with your standard of intellectual capability- I have to excuse you. I was talking about ruhs and souls in general, not of a Kafir or a Muslim. My point is, you believe the soul of your love ones (ok, Muslims soul) will visit each time you held their hauls. The Kufars also believe that the soul of their love ones (ok, kafirin souls) will come and visit each time they held their BULAN HANTU. See the similarity here? Get the picture?

[IAMNOTADIVER]

By the way, careful when typing a reply, many dead souls are watching you. Your love ones could be one, so watch the language! Your neneks and datuks would be disappointed!

[IAMNOTADIVER]

you fool! how can someone who is already dead turns up at such function. God give you brain to think. Think wisely!

[suryadi2]

Salamualaykum...of course Rasulallah during such occasions especially is present there should be no doubt about that! Even if we can see, the light or nur of Rasulallah must be so bright that we are overwhelmed. Allahu a'alam