It looks like the Ford was going to make it, but the drive braked. Also, the Subaru looks like it's the only one where they didn't brake. I love Suburu's but this test is incredibly biased.
The new Subaru Justy does not have selectable 4WD via a viscous coupling unlike the old model. Can´t understand why Subaru would get rid of such a fine unique selling point :(
I think this footage is deceptive. Main reason why Subaru got traction with one wheel is because of LSD not symmetric layout. But LSD is disadvantageous for fuel efficiency.
What subaru doesnt say is only the 5speed forester has a 50/50 front/rear torque split and would do this. the automatic model works just like the other cars and is fwd biased until there is slippage. also the rav4 has a torque lock button that when enabled will also lock the torque split, and so would have climbed the ramp.
@dcormann automatic subaru have fwd base system? are you kidding me...it's a permanent system 4 wheels are always engaged and automatic are 40% front 60% rear....this is not a shitty system like the others brands...remember, PERMANENT system in EVERY subaru, this is what it makes a subaru a subaru!
Read up. The 5speed has a center diff ( with no lock ) and splits torque 50/50. The auto has a multiplate clutch to send torque to the rear. Its a FWD auto adapted to AWD just like the other cars its compared to in this video.
The only systems that would pass this test would be the Grand Cherokee with Quadra-Drive (I or II) and maybe the Audi Quattro.... The Honda CRV and Ford Explorer have no place here... This test is absolutely rubbish!!
I do not think that year Forester has LSD. I think LSD was replaced with all-wheel traction control beginning about 09. The vehicles test were in the same size class and cost. Some of the other vehicles suggested cost much more and are not a compact SUV.
@iTouchHelp100 i ve driven most of them, and i ve owned a few of them, and subaru are the best AWD "classic " car ever made... and what about their super STI with three differentials, the only cars to have this (with the mitsu evo !).. the rest (audi, bmw) is just crap !
@savlugg hmm. personally i think that audi and bmw make some of the best vehicles. including the awd systems they offer. im not saying subaru isnt, subaru is the best awd system of all, but bmw audi and all those others who give awd dont have bad systems either
@ForumBoosters The GC is another category up from these. These are classed as "soft-roaders" i think. I have a GC and have no doubt it could pass this, but it's not in the same class as a forester
Sadly most 4x4's have the same traction limit.Some manufacturers provide limited slip, otherwise, a regular 4x4 truck/suv only has one wheel in the front and one in the back moving the vehicle through slippery terrain. Subaru does a good job in this area. The only limitation there is ground clearance and suspension travel. A new forester has 14" clearance max, but a car-like suspension travel. 23-25mpg, though- not bad!
I know my car could do this in 2wd just because of how it is set up and it could do it in 4wd as well. most awd cars probably couldn't do this test though. did they shift into a lower gear for these tests?
I think the problem in all these that failed is there is no LSD at the back. The subarus have LSD at the centre and at the back whereas most 'AWD' vehicles only have it in the centre, if at all. without LSD or locking diffs even a AWD/4WD vehicle will eventually not be able to make the best use of available traction.
If this test was done on one front wheel, however, the subaru would have done just as badly as they don't have a LSD at the front.
@arumdevil you are absolutely right. it'a all about rear LSD. However you can cheat by using handbrake in other wehicles. of course it's not as good as LSD but good enough to use it shortly. Even in modern quasi rally cars or hothatches manufacturers use instead of real LSD, some kond of electric LSD, when this function is replaced by brake and ESP system. for me it's piece of shit because you can burn you brakes.
Not so. Search for the video titled "Subaru Symmetrical AWD vs. Honda, Toyota, and Volkswagen" and you can see that in this test, which tests one rear and one front wheel, the Subaru system succeeds where all others tested failed. The secret is not in the LSD alone, although it does help in turns, but in the basic design of the system itself.
@arumdevil There's no rear LSD on the current (SH) Forester shown. It succeeded in this video because the traction control component of the VDC was able to brake the spinning left rear wheel thereby giving enough torque to the right rear wheel to push the car up the ramp.
The VDC should also be able to achieve the same thing in the scenario you describe with only one front wheel having traction.
There is no LSD at the back in the new Forester (from 2008/2009?). There is an electronic system called VDC which uses brakes to help a bit in such situations.
@dyzio22 ok fair play. I have quite an old JDM subaru legacy which has LSD rear and centre, I must admit I'm not up to speed on the lastest models but I'm pretty sure most of them have LSDs at the rear as well as centre, but maybe it's different in US market.
@arumdevil mhmmmmm, i was thinking, dont subarus have lsd at the back axle.... ehh well im always in support of 3 4wd/awd systems...Quattro, Subaru's Symmetrical AWD, and on demand 4WD that you get in trucks, with either a lsd or a locking diff at the back, preffereably at back and front
wow this is very disappointing for all competitor vehicles out there. i thought AWD vehicles performed better than this. Good job for Subaru for stepping up to the plate
Subaru's description of their 'symmetrical' AWD is the only name that makes sense ... the other car companies are just playing the word game, what a joke.
this test shows off N.O.T.H.I.N.G. all these vehicles were tested with DSC/VSC (DYNAMIC VEHICLE CONTROL/VEHICLE STABILITY CONTROL) engaged.since the COMPUTER will NOT allow excessive wheelspin,the vehicle will NOT advance.I've been in similar situations in Honda CRV's,the Computer gets confused and lights up EVERY malfunction light on the dashboard from slipping the wheels on ice. just DISABLE the DSC/VSC,if the car can spin,it will pull itself out.I backed into a drive covered in ice,it worked
and how did you come to the conclusion that all the cars had their dsc/vsc engaged. you did not happen to be in the cars when they were being tested now, were you. desist from theorising, sir.
@oochieng easy..genius, the wheels are stuttering in their spin and the engines are OBVIOUSLY bogging down and retarding power with the anti skid system.
I have either DRIVEN, or TOWED these cars in my Career as a Professional Tow Truck Driver, and I have been in this field since 1989.
I know a few things about what cars DO when you drive them in inclement conditions. real world. not skewed test mediums that has no bearing in real world.
discontinue from trolling.... your channel has no content.
I guess I would ask. Why would I want or expect some soccer Mom to know she needs to press a button to make her car go. It should just WORK.. as is. If he DSC/VSC is too stupid to realize the situation the engineers should work that out, not the mostly oblivious soccer mom's of the world.
@kens97sto171 Dude....that's the point, these control functions are set ARTIFICIALLY low, as to keep the "soccer moms" from treading outside the tractional capability of these vehicles. they are at best SOFT GROUND/SNOW COVERED ROADWAY/LOOSE GRAVEL, level of awd. they are NOT a dedicated, rough road 4WD with locked diffs and clutchpacks with extra serious wheel to wheel locking potential.
in fact, I can drive mine 2005 CRV, or my wife's 2006 CRV, and have the DSC light flash constantly.
I am sure the CRV can go anywhere on a snowy road. I guess I just don't understand why you would limit the maximum ability. I guess I am lucky I have a wife with a brain, and some common sense. I don't appreciate a manufacturer dumbing down a product because they assume the users are gonna be dumb too. But that's just me. BTW if I wanted a serious offroader I would NOT pick a Subaru either. JEEP, with Quadra Drive or lockers. But then you get stuck cause it broke down!!
@kens97sto171 i definetly agree my moms 2005 crv exl was definetly not a sloth in the snow and here in connecuit are winters are harsh i dont think they gave the crv enough credit as it deserved. i think the crv is a very well made vechieal and has awesome capabillities in the snow. Now i wouldnt recoment really rocking clumbing in it but it did the job another vechieal with a good AWD system is Our new 2011 Volvo XC60 its breath taking safety and AWD system i play in the snow now!!
You are correct the CRV is very good in snow as any other 4WD but this test is more to simulate ice since the rollers spin freely. Your CRV would be a different car. I tested every 4WD, AWD and the best one we decided on was the 2011 Subaru Forester. Its just a great all around car.
this is stupid there is no need for all that computerized awd crap a simple limited slip differential or locking differential in each axle & in the center diff would do much better & be stronger more reliable & much cheaper, like the Detroit Truetrack
@Dr4x4guy A limited slip would have done nothing in this test. Locking diff's work well in certain conditions but how would a LSD or locker be cheaper than some additional programming in the ABS unit? Reality is that soccer mom doesn't know and doesn't care. If car goes when gas is applied, all is good.
It's not cheaper. almost every car made, even a Hyundai Accent has automated brake assist, and control. That's all that is required to move the power around in an open diff AWD system. Your right about being stronger though. But most Subaru or other AWD car people are not going truly off road, just mud, gravel, snow. If I wanted and automatic system myself with real strength. I take a Jeep ZJ, WJ with Quadra Drive. Or Selec Trac with lockers.
i mean its kinda unfair considering every other car there has what i like to call the "shitty awd" system thats slippage sensing and what not. Those systems always blow. My friend had a rogue that we went drifting. Literally after 10 minutes there was smoke coming out of the diff and we had to wait for 30 min before it could engage again... SMH. Take the subaru against real awd: Quattro, xdrive, 4matic, ect...
@LerdoBurgerPimp yeap..sure wil...I love the Honda AWD system...pretty seamless and works when it's NEEDED, not beating all your tires up full time like a suburu does.
My wife got an honest 50K + out of her first set of OEM's...she's on her second set.
The Subaru works even more seamlessly since you don't have to press a button to make it go. As to the tires who cares and 50K is about average on tires for any car. BTW I am not bashing the Honda, they make great cars, and in most situations it is enough. Just not as strong, or good at the extremes.
@kens97sto171 Ken Dude.....50K on a sport ute is RARE, they scuff their tires badly and the differential torque makes them scallop badly.
the biggest difference is INTERIOR room, we got TWO lazy boys recliners in the wifes CRV with room left over. the forester is TIGHT, the TRIBECA has a much Smaller Hatch entry area, the 2004-2007 CRV was a huge SQUARE hole to slot a load in, next gen body got A LOT smaller,and the door opened UP instead of to the side.
I loved my old Subaru and would buy another one, but this is more about how good the traction/stability control system is, not the 4wd system itself. I guarantee that an original X5 or ML would make it up, even with their 3 open diffs.
@blueiedgod You automatically assume just because 1 out of 5 vehicles makes it up a ramp that they all have thier Traction systems disabled so there is only one winner.
All of them use traction control, which applies brakes to the free spinning wheel forcing the wheel with traction to turn. The subaru also has a rear LSD using clutches inside the diff to prevent 1 wheel from spinning excessively, by using both systems the subaru trumps the others. Had the test been on a front wheel the subaru would have done no better than the others.
@white5spdef The Foresters rear diff is open. Currently, only the STI doesn't have an open rear diff. If the test were performed on the front wheels, the Forester would have completed the test even quicker.
That is the beauty of Subaru's system. You really don't need LSD's to make it work. The ABS Systems can do it all. Just modulate brakes on the slipping wheels and power will automatically move to the other side through the simple mechanical diffs. I don't personally like this system myself, I always find it a bit slow to react compared to LSD's at each diff . But it does WORK. And it's simple to execute since almost all cars have braking control now.
@jaymanrockss the Forester does not come with a limited slip rear diff. The older legacy and outback had a limited slip, as did the older turbo foresters. The forester in this test does not have a limited slip differential.
@zainuintel - I'm a huge Subaru fan, have one myself even. But yeah, I want to see this re-done with all driver aids switched OFF (especially the subaru). To me that would be the real test.
@uswg01 i no right, my dad had a legacy at 250K miles. With the LSD. it was AWESOME. my dad changed cuz we had a crash in it.. we LIVED. we didnt get a forester cuz my bro has 1 lol. so he gt a 2001 Honda CRV :L nd without TC would be easy. if a 2001 can go up im 100% sure a 2010 can go up right?:
@SoDaSub - I have an '11 STi with the torsen rear diff. Even with the center diff in full lock mode, with traction control OFF, would it make it up, or would I need traction control on in order to transfer power to the right wheel? I understand the torsen diff acts like an open diff if one wheel has zero traction, like in this demonstration. Then say I hypothetically upgraded to a clutch pack rear diff, I WOULDN'T need traction control to get the power transfer correct?
lol oh so hostile to Ford, just like all the other videos by this guy and use SoDaSub. What a pile of shite. The Toyota also has this evil "torque steer". Just watch the vid. Why do they go after ford the hardest? Hmm... because ford is the hardest to beat the top dog in the small SUV market, the top seller for 10 years...lol Nice try though, but the driver is creating this magical torque steer.
It looks like the Ford was going to make it, but the drive braked. Also, the Subaru looks like it's the only one where they didn't brake. I love Suburu's but this test is incredibly biased.
SoundMan1985 42 minutes ago
@SoundMan1985 Also, I'm not a Ford but or anything, just stating a fact.
SoundMan1985 42 minutes ago
So get an Acura mdx and shawd
bieberhater1 5 days ago
The problem is that it's a woman behind the wheels.
moodswyng 1 week ago 2
The new Subaru Justy does not have selectable 4WD via a viscous coupling unlike the old model. Can´t understand why Subaru would get rid of such a fine unique selling point :(
brianroger 1 week ago
the subaru brz does have this. so not every subaru has this system
iTouchHelp100 1 week ago
subaru are the best AWD car ever made !!
savlugg 1 week ago
why no mitsubishi and acura awd system included?
tondaligan 1 week ago
tires matter too!!!
epicrun1235 1 week ago
Subaru is good at traction, but crappy at everything else, and oldfashoned motors. And overpriced.
sangolt88 1 week ago
@sangolt88 they're not really overpriced, the forester starts at 19 grand...pretty cheap for an suv with awd
WOWstevoo 1 week ago
subaru FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Toyotoys 1 week ago
doesn't the rouge have awd lock ?
contractki11er 1 week ago
subaru best cars on the road!! i love my forester 2.5 s :)
mud2live03 2 weeks ago
so this is supposed to be an independant test, not a commarcial for the subaru..huh?!!
MrDreamGuitarist 2 weeks ago
@MrDreamGuitarist Yep, that's just how awesome subarus are.
Levibetz 2 weeks ago
I towed a honda accor out of a ditch in yhe middle winter with my 09 legacy 2.5i limited. Amazing car for the money
gtpiston04 2 weeks ago
I love how in all the independant tests on all wheel drive technologies never include Mitsubichis :P
jayxtreme6 2 weeks ago
If you lock the differential in trans-axal every vehicle will climb up.
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I think this footage is deceptive. Main reason why Subaru got traction with one wheel is because of LSD not symmetric layout. But LSD is disadvantageous for fuel efficiency.
gusdoh 2 weeks ago
good news for me I drive a Forester XT
tubeasd234 2 weeks ago
This is not a real life experiment(3 wheels with 0 traction and 1 wheal with all the traction).
compadre1234567 2 weeks ago
@compadre1234567 Listen closely at 2:36. Fucktard!
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art88 3 weeks ago
This is nonsense
TheChills100 3 weeks ago
@TheChills100 Listen at 2:36 for the reason of this test.
NextSelection671 2 weeks ago
What subaru doesnt say is only the 5speed forester has a 50/50 front/rear torque split and would do this. the automatic model works just like the other cars and is fwd biased until there is slippage. also the rav4 has a torque lock button that when enabled will also lock the torque split, and so would have climbed the ramp.
dcormann 3 weeks ago 4
@dcormann automatic subaru have fwd base system? are you kidding me...it's a permanent system 4 wheels are always engaged and automatic are 40% front 60% rear....this is not a shitty system like the others brands...remember, PERMANENT system in EVERY subaru, this is what it makes a subaru a subaru!
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Read up. The 5speed has a center diff ( with no lock ) and splits torque 50/50. The auto has a multiplate clutch to send torque to the rear. Its a FWD auto adapted to AWD just like the other cars its compared to in this video.
dcormann 2 weeks ago
This is not a real world test!
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@BusterBunker Listen at 2:36 for the reason of this test.
NextSelection671 2 weeks ago
I LOOOOVE SUBARU BUT I THINK THIS IS SORTA BIAS.
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Now turn traction control off and lets see what happens
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nforspeed91 3 weeks ago 3
The only systems that would pass this test would be the Grand Cherokee with Quadra-Drive (I or II) and maybe the Audi Quattro.... The Honda CRV and Ford Explorer have no place here... This test is absolutely rubbish!!
allenrotstein 3 weeks ago
@allenrotstein Do you mean Ford Escape? But yes, I agree. Some of the cars in this test have no business being here.
CarCurious 2 weeks ago
And where is Quattro, X-drive and 4matic? Won't work as commercial then? :P
MrGegere 3 weeks ago
I do not think that year Forester has LSD. I think LSD was replaced with all-wheel traction control beginning about 09. The vehicles test were in the same size class and cost. Some of the other vehicles suggested cost much more and are not a compact SUV.
ARationalResponse 4 weeks ago
It is funny though since my Jeep would have made it up in 2wd.
rkj4107 1 month ago
I can see no Jeep since it's an actual SUV but there is a surprising lack of Audi, Volvo and BMW in this test...
rkj4107 1 month ago
@rkj4107 ... Audi, volvo and BMW sucks at AWD ..
savlugg 1 week ago
@savlugg why do u say? have u driven them all yourself? i don't think so
iTouchHelp100 1 week ago
@iTouchHelp100 i ve driven most of them, and i ve owned a few of them, and subaru are the best AWD "classic " car ever made... and what about their super STI with three differentials, the only cars to have this (with the mitsu evo !).. the rest (audi, bmw) is just crap !
savlugg 1 week ago
@savlugg hmm. personally i think that audi and bmw make some of the best vehicles. including the awd systems they offer. im not saying subaru isnt, subaru is the best awd system of all, but bmw audi and all those others who give awd dont have bad systems either
iTouchHelp100 1 week ago
Need some Jeep quadra drive up in here. Front and rear vari-lok axles.
geoffdent1 1 month ago
i noticed they never tried a jeep
danman51992 1 month ago
a RWD with lsd wud have easily pass the test
NITECOREPD 1 month ago
thats why i love subaru. most compact suv/car with awd doesnt even have lsd at the rear but subaru does
NITECOREPD 1 month ago
I wonder how much Subaru payed for this...
DonRC1994 1 month ago
Where's the Grand Cherokee ?!
ForumBoosters 1 month ago 18
@ForumBoosters still doesnt matter
PSBeachBum 4 weeks ago
@ForumBoosters not in the same class
DMasterMensionz 3 weeks ago
@ForumBoosters the same place as the landrovers! not allowed to play because they would make the scoobi look shite.
JasonHam41 3 weeks ago
@ForumBoosters These are cross overs, the GC is an SUV. Different class auto.
pimpninja1985 3 weeks ago
Not in the same class, too big.
Maybe a Liberty or Nitro
DanmanT15 3 weeks ago
@ForumBoosters It would have killed it, that's where it was. Killing Subaru's.
Proudrebel7 2 weeks ago
@ForumBoosters Hey I like the Grand Cherokee too but it's not the same class! It's Honda Pilot, Subaru Tribeca, etc..
ProV68 2 weeks ago
@ForumBoosters This test is for small class SUV, Grand Cherokee is Mid size SUV, Though they should have brought the Jeep Wrangler to compete.
zech007 1 week ago
@ForumBoosters The GC is another category up from these. These are classed as "soft-roaders" i think. I have a GC and have no doubt it could pass this, but it's not in the same class as a forester
rockshox101avidjuicy 1 week ago
@ForumBoosters Cherokee is in another league. All this cars are AWD. Cherokee is 4x4.
VIDEOZAL 1 week ago 3
@ForumBoosters not in the same class.
92CamryLE 1 week ago
@ForumBoosters Not in the same class and price range as these vehicles
adamY2K 1 week ago
@ForumBoosters thats a locking 4x4 system isnt it? I think this is an awd test...
devinsbiro 3 days ago
It's not about whether it is a Subaru or not, it's about differentials.
dahgutone 1 month ago
Yes, Subarus rock, but I'd also like to see something Quattro from audi
genisxxx 1 month ago
WHERE IS THE AUDI!!!!!!!!
G33kTech 1 month ago
scooby power!!
richindiankid 1 month ago
Sadly most 4x4's have the same traction limit.Some manufacturers provide limited slip, otherwise, a regular 4x4 truck/suv only has one wheel in the front and one in the back moving the vehicle through slippery terrain. Subaru does a good job in this area. The only limitation there is ground clearance and suspension travel. A new forester has 14" clearance max, but a car-like suspension travel. 23-25mpg, though- not bad!
CGaquamarine3 1 month ago
I know my car could do this in 2wd just because of how it is set up and it could do it in 4wd as well. most awd cars probably couldn't do this test though. did they shift into a lower gear for these tests?
117nathanmyers 1 month ago
I think the problem in all these that failed is there is no LSD at the back. The subarus have LSD at the centre and at the back whereas most 'AWD' vehicles only have it in the centre, if at all. without LSD or locking diffs even a AWD/4WD vehicle will eventually not be able to make the best use of available traction.
If this test was done on one front wheel, however, the subaru would have done just as badly as they don't have a LSD at the front.
Don't get me wrong, I drive a subaru and they..
arumdevil 1 month ago 22
..re great, kickass in the snow especially! but everything has it's weaknesses and limits.
arumdevil 1 month ago
@arumdevil you are absolutely right. it'a all about rear LSD. However you can cheat by using handbrake in other wehicles. of course it's not as good as LSD but good enough to use it shortly. Even in modern quasi rally cars or hothatches manufacturers use instead of real LSD, some kond of electric LSD, when this function is replaced by brake and ESP system. for me it's piece of shit because you can burn you brakes.
gkwas 1 month ago
@arumdevil Check out "Subaru AWD vs. competitors" and you'll see how a Subaru can pull itself up a ramp using one front wheel.
AWD265 3 weeks ago
@arumdevil
Not so. Search for the video titled "Subaru Symmetrical AWD vs. Honda, Toyota, and Volkswagen" and you can see that in this test, which tests one rear and one front wheel, the Subaru system succeeds where all others tested failed. The secret is not in the LSD alone, although it does help in turns, but in the basic design of the system itself.
mercury0x000d 1 week ago 4
@arumdevil There's no rear LSD on the current (SH) Forester shown. It succeeded in this video because the traction control component of the VDC was able to brake the spinning left rear wheel thereby giving enough torque to the right rear wheel to push the car up the ramp.
The VDC should also be able to achieve the same thing in the scenario you describe with only one front wheel having traction.
simr2105 1 week ago
@arumdevil
There is no LSD at the back in the new Forester (from 2008/2009?). There is an electronic system called VDC which uses brakes to help a bit in such situations.
dyzio22 6 days ago
@dyzio22 ok fair play. I have quite an old JDM subaru legacy which has LSD rear and centre, I must admit I'm not up to speed on the lastest models but I'm pretty sure most of them have LSDs at the rear as well as centre, but maybe it's different in US market.
arumdevil 5 days ago
@arumdevil mhmmmmm, i was thinking, dont subarus have lsd at the back axle.... ehh well im always in support of 3 4wd/awd systems...Quattro, Subaru's Symmetrical AWD, and on demand 4WD that you get in trucks, with either a lsd or a locking diff at the back, preffereably at back and front
daboss420edi 4 days ago
good test !!
masay1919 1 month ago
I don't understand why people keep doing these tests. The outcome is always the same. Always. Every. Single. Time.
mando1337 1 month ago
Kind of disappointing, would have liked to see how many other vehicles, trucks, cars, crossovers, etc. fared in this test...
fatcole 1 month ago
wow this is very disappointing for all competitor vehicles out there. i thought AWD vehicles performed better than this. Good job for Subaru for stepping up to the plate
kylelimeback 1 month ago
whatch this vid with the song till the world ends its AWESOME i love it !!!!
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@80spodcastchannel
50k isn't that rare. I had about 60k miles on my stock tires on my subaru.
@aggiespilot
This video is comparing cars that fit the same class of car. I don't think the Jeep fits the same category.
slandshark 1 month ago
omfg this guy has a lot of spit in his mouth holy shit its giving my the willies...
AndyRock1 1 month ago
quick question were is mitsubishi outlander?
paomig098 1 month ago
Subaru's description of their 'symmetrical' AWD is the only name that makes sense ... the other car companies are just playing the word game, what a joke.
davidhalifax 1 month ago
where's the jeep? Or hell even the land rover?
aggiespilot 1 month ago
@aggiespilot those are 4wd vehicles and are in a different class. 4wd cannot transfer power like awd can or should.
Subaru2484 1 month ago
@aggiespilot those are four wheel drive, with special gearing, its testing ALL WHEEL DRIVE, meaning all four "all the time"
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aggiespilot 1 month ago
try the new ford explorer
leeworld998 2 months ago
subaru = no worries, no stress, no hassle just go.
adnmoh1 2 months ago
this test shows off N.O.T.H.I.N.G. all these vehicles were tested with DSC/VSC (DYNAMIC VEHICLE CONTROL/VEHICLE STABILITY CONTROL) engaged.since the COMPUTER will NOT allow excessive wheelspin,the vehicle will NOT advance.I've been in similar situations in Honda CRV's,the Computer gets confused and lights up EVERY malfunction light on the dashboard from slipping the wheels on ice. just DISABLE the DSC/VSC,if the car can spin,it will pull itself out.I backed into a drive covered in ice,it worked
80spodcastchannel 2 months ago
and how did you come to the conclusion that all the cars had their dsc/vsc engaged. you did not happen to be in the cars when they were being tested now, were you. desist from theorising, sir.
oochieng 2 months ago
@oochieng easy..genius, the wheels are stuttering in their spin and the engines are OBVIOUSLY bogging down and retarding power with the anti skid system.
I have either DRIVEN, or TOWED these cars in my Career as a Professional Tow Truck Driver, and I have been in this field since 1989.
I know a few things about what cars DO when you drive them in inclement conditions. real world. not skewed test mediums that has no bearing in real world.
discontinue from trolling.... your channel has no content.
80spodcastchannel 2 months ago
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I guess I would ask. Why would I want or expect some soccer Mom to know she needs to press a button to make her car go. It should just WORK.. as is. If he DSC/VSC is too stupid to realize the situation the engineers should work that out, not the mostly oblivious soccer mom's of the world.
kens97sto171 1 month ago
@kens97sto171 Dude....that's the point, these control functions are set ARTIFICIALLY low, as to keep the "soccer moms" from treading outside the tractional capability of these vehicles. they are at best SOFT GROUND/SNOW COVERED ROADWAY/LOOSE GRAVEL, level of awd. they are NOT a dedicated, rough road 4WD with locked diffs and clutchpacks with extra serious wheel to wheel locking potential.
in fact, I can drive mine 2005 CRV, or my wife's 2006 CRV, and have the DSC light flash constantly.
80spodcastchannel 1 month ago
@80spodcastchannel
I am sure the CRV can go anywhere on a snowy road. I guess I just don't understand why you would limit the maximum ability. I guess I am lucky I have a wife with a brain, and some common sense. I don't appreciate a manufacturer dumbing down a product because they assume the users are gonna be dumb too. But that's just me. BTW if I wanted a serious offroader I would NOT pick a Subaru either. JEEP, with Quadra Drive or lockers. But then you get stuck cause it broke down!!
kens97sto171 1 month ago
@kens97sto171 i definetly agree my moms 2005 crv exl was definetly not a sloth in the snow and here in connecuit are winters are harsh i dont think they gave the crv enough credit as it deserved. i think the crv is a very well made vechieal and has awesome capabillities in the snow. Now i wouldnt recoment really rocking clumbing in it but it did the job another vechieal with a good AWD system is Our new 2011 Volvo XC60 its breath taking safety and AWD system i play in the snow now!!
BentlyboYY 1 month ago
@BentlyboYY
You are correct the CRV is very good in snow as any other 4WD but this test is more to simulate ice since the rollers spin freely. Your CRV would be a different car. I tested every 4WD, AWD and the best one we decided on was the 2011 Subaru Forester. Its just a great all around car.
Nbuilder1 1 month ago
this is stupid there is no need for all that computerized awd crap a simple limited slip differential or locking differential in each axle & in the center diff would do much better & be stronger more reliable & much cheaper, like the Detroit Truetrack
Dr4x4guy 2 months ago
@Dr4x4guy A limited slip would have done nothing in this test. Locking diff's work well in certain conditions but how would a LSD or locker be cheaper than some additional programming in the ABS unit? Reality is that soccer mom doesn't know and doesn't care. If car goes when gas is applied, all is good.
autoxerwgn 2 months ago
@Dr4x4guy
It's not cheaper. almost every car made, even a Hyundai Accent has automated brake assist, and control. That's all that is required to move the power around in an open diff AWD system. Your right about being stronger though. But most Subaru or other AWD car people are not going truly off road, just mud, gravel, snow. If I wanted and automatic system myself with real strength. I take a Jeep ZJ, WJ with Quadra Drive. Or Selec Trac with lockers.
kens97sto171 1 month ago
Just bought an impreza! I feel reassured knowing Symetrical AWD will get me from A to B safely.
foford2010 2 months ago
i mean its kinda unfair considering every other car there has what i like to call the "shitty awd" system thats slippage sensing and what not. Those systems always blow. My friend had a rogue that we went drifting. Literally after 10 minutes there was smoke coming out of the diff and we had to wait for 30 min before it could engage again... SMH. Take the subaru against real awd: Quattro, xdrive, 4matic, ect...
suprakilzz26 2 months ago
it sucks
norbbetancourt 2 months ago
Turn off the stability control , put in a low gear hit VTM ,variable torque management system and the Honda will make it.
LerdoBurgerPimp 2 months ago
@LerdoBurgerPimp It won't make it. It can't send power left to right with TSC off and an open rear diff.
SoDaSub 2 months ago
@LerdoBurgerPimp yeap..sure wil...I love the Honda AWD system...pretty seamless and works when it's NEEDED, not beating all your tires up full time like a suburu does.
My wife got an honest 50K + out of her first set of OEM's...she's on her second set.
80spodcastchannel 2 months ago
@80spodcastchannel
The Subaru works even more seamlessly since you don't have to press a button to make it go. As to the tires who cares and 50K is about average on tires for any car. BTW I am not bashing the Honda, they make great cars, and in most situations it is enough. Just not as strong, or good at the extremes.
kens97sto171 1 month ago
@kens97sto171 Ken Dude.....50K on a sport ute is RARE, they scuff their tires badly and the differential torque makes them scallop badly.
the biggest difference is INTERIOR room, we got TWO lazy boys recliners in the wifes CRV with room left over. the forester is TIGHT, the TRIBECA has a much Smaller Hatch entry area, the 2004-2007 CRV was a huge SQUARE hole to slot a load in, next gen body got A LOT smaller,and the door opened UP instead of to the side.
I like Subs, but love Hondas.
Seeya
Dude
80spodcastchannel 1 month ago
No, they picked AWD vehicles to do this test, proving that all awd cars are not created equal.
Tom4Aksion 2 months ago
looks like they picked only cars that are worse than subaru for this test...
FatalMusa 2 months ago
Was the VDC turned off or left on when climbing?
rivtwins 2 months ago
ok..i will buy a subaru
Eragba 2 months ago
THEY HAVE A WOMAN DRIVING THE CARS.
itsTiLER 2 months ago
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itsTiLER 2 months ago
I loved my old Subaru and would buy another one, but this is more about how good the traction/stability control system is, not the 4wd system itself. I guarantee that an original X5 or ML would make it up, even with their 3 open diffs.
autoxerwgn 2 months ago
I bet my Nissan with the electronic locking rear LSD will go right up that ramp! HAHA!
killersushi99 2 months ago
@killersushi99 I bet any car with locking rear would make it up the ramp, it's a no brainer.
Tom4Aksion 2 months ago
@Tom4Aksion What vehicles that Subaru competes with have locking rear diffs?
SoDaSub 2 months ago
Looks like whoever tested this DISABLED or TURNED OFF Stability Control/Traction systems on the NON-SUBARU vehicles. Very biased!!!!
blueiedgod 2 months ago
@blueiedgod Didn't they say this was an unbiased review in the opening segment of this video?
Tom4Aksion 2 months ago
@blueiedgod You automatically assume just because 1 out of 5 vehicles makes it up a ramp that they all have thier Traction systems disabled so there is only one winner.
Tom4Aksion 2 months ago
@blueiedgod all vehicles had their traction and stability control turned on.
SoDaSub 2 months ago
They all have good AWD, it's just that Subaru's is better.
Does that mean the others won't work in winter diving, no.
It just means that Subaru's have a little better traction.
I own an Outback and have done my own tests.
What I found out is that if the road is icy and all 4 wheels spin, nobody's going anywhere.
I love my Subie like many others love their AWD cars.
It doesn't mean that one will out perform the other, depending on what kind of tires they have etc...
KentuckyRangerPro 2 months ago
@KentuckyRangerPro It means the other should start making there AWD like subaru's
SAFETY FIRST, Oh yeah that only applies when money is not evolved.
pplstan 2 months ago
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KentuckyRangerPro 2 months ago
the rdx is sh-awd so its more advence, it can send all power to one whell
TheSergys1 3 months ago
Looks like 5 people didn't buy subaru's...
VBSouthpaw 3 months ago
Notice the absence of the Suzuki Grand Vitara, the benchmark of 4WD in this class...
sam101200 3 months ago
@sam101200 lockable center but open rear diff. ain't happenin'
SoDaSub 2 months ago
Очень интересный тест!!! Понравилось.
666masster666 3 months ago
soobs pwned the noobs
MrTyronePimp 3 months ago 20
thumbs up for everyone who drive subaru's
subaru rock!!!!!
KILLERBEAN25 3 months ago 69
No Audi quattro? Stupid test.
blown4six 3 months ago
wheres acura RDX?
TheSergys1 3 months ago
@TheSergys1 You think it would have done anything the honda didn't?..
VBSouthpaw 3 months ago
Okay so how does it transfer the power to the slipping wheel?? THEY never bother to explain?
kevintomb 3 months ago
@kevintomb
All of them use traction control, which applies brakes to the free spinning wheel forcing the wheel with traction to turn. The subaru also has a rear LSD using clutches inside the diff to prevent 1 wheel from spinning excessively, by using both systems the subaru trumps the others. Had the test been on a front wheel the subaru would have done no better than the others.
white5spdef 3 months ago
@white5spdef The Foresters rear diff is open. Currently, only the STI doesn't have an open rear diff. If the test were performed on the front wheels, the Forester would have completed the test even quicker.
SoDaSub 2 months ago
@SoDaSub
That is the beauty of Subaru's system. You really don't need LSD's to make it work. The ABS Systems can do it all. Just modulate brakes on the slipping wheels and power will automatically move to the other side through the simple mechanical diffs. I don't personally like this system myself, I always find it a bit slow to react compared to LSD's at each diff . But it does WORK. And it's simple to execute since almost all cars have braking control now.
kens97sto171 1 month ago
@kevintomb Because they don't endorse or work for subaru, it was an independant study.
Tom4Aksion 2 months ago
lol
jubani93 3 months ago
@jaymanrockss the Forester does not come with a limited slip rear diff. The older legacy and outback had a limited slip, as did the older turbo foresters. The forester in this test does not have a limited slip differential.
musicalgreasemonkey 3 months ago
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musicalgreasemonkey 3 months ago
Should be mentioned that Subaru comes standard with rear limited slip diff making this test slightly unfair.
jaymanrockss 3 months ago
@jaymanrockss The Forester has an open rear diff.
SoDaSub 2 months ago
@SoDaSub Hey man here in Australia they all come standard with rear LSD
jaymanrockss 2 months ago
@jaymanrockss This was USDM so there is no rear LSD. The only current USDM Subaru without an open rear diff is the WRX STI.
SoDaSub 2 months ago
wheres mitsubishi outlander???? jejeje that would have done the same as the subbie!
baguzman84 3 months ago
Subaru dominates coz it's one of a kind symmetrical AWD system :)
FordLTD94 3 months ago
Yeah Subaru!
aznfilipinoboi 3 months ago
change the TC off in all the other cars and they will GO UP
zainuintel 3 months ago
@zainuintel results certified by USAC..sorry man there is the subaru reality that the whole world accepts...
kaan898 3 months ago
@kaan898 lol, more like certified by SUBARU.. i like subaru.. but taken it too far lol
zainuintel 3 months ago
@zainuintel - I'm a huge Subaru fan, have one myself even. But yeah, I want to see this re-done with all driver aids switched OFF (especially the subaru). To me that would be the real test.
uswg01 3 months ago
@uswg01 i no right, my dad had a legacy at 250K miles. With the LSD. it was AWESOME. my dad changed cuz we had a crash in it.. we LIVED. we didnt get a forester cuz my bro has 1 lol. so he gt a 2001 Honda CRV :L nd without TC would be easy. if a 2001 can go up im 100% sure a 2010 can go up right?:
zainuintel 3 months ago
@uswg01 none of the vehicles would make it with traction control off. Only the Forester will make it with traction control on.
SoDaSub 2 months ago
@SoDaSub - I have an '11 STi with the torsen rear diff. Even with the center diff in full lock mode, with traction control OFF, would it make it up, or would I need traction control on in order to transfer power to the right wheel? I understand the torsen diff acts like an open diff if one wheel has zero traction, like in this demonstration. Then say I hypothetically upgraded to a clutch pack rear diff, I WOULDN'T need traction control to get the power transfer correct?
uswg01 2 months ago
@uswg01 Correct; however, it could climb on one front wheel with the VDC off.
SoDaSub 2 months ago
@SoDaSub - Thanks!
uswg01 2 months ago
I just changed from a Toyota to a Subaru. :)
Tjita1 3 months ago
3 people couldn't make it up the ramp
WannabeWRX 3 months ago
Was the VDC turned off or left on in the Subaru? Did it have an automatic or manual transmission
rivtwins 4 months ago
@rivtwins Automatic and traction & stability control were on for all vehicles.
SoDaSub 2 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
lol oh so hostile to Ford, just like all the other videos by this guy and use SoDaSub. What a pile of shite. The Toyota also has this evil "torque steer". Just watch the vid. Why do they go after ford the hardest? Hmm... because ford is the hardest to beat the top dog in the small SUV market, the top seller for 10 years...lol Nice try though, but the driver is creating this magical torque steer.
CJDUBstang 4 months ago
These are 5 vehicles of the SAME CLASS and subaru rapes them all.
Samoeuth 4 months ago
@Samoeuth Yeah rapes them in an imaginary "certified" test. Please.
CJDUBstang 4 months ago
@Samoeuth Also, SAME CLASS... LOL THE CRV IS NOT AWD, IT IS A PART TIME 4WD SYSTEM, THIS FAILES
zainuintel 3 months ago