E. Honda 100% Damage Ochio Setup

[mdbspcaws2]

That's a phat setup.

[ukyo48]

@FurkoTurk0 when i see honda doing a 100 hand so closly i guard i will not jump ,especialy if i lost my charge.nice vid bro ^^

[pbrubaker]

@FurkoTurk0 That's why I don't call it a combo buddy. It's a setup. And it works quite well actually.

[MBurrow08]

The damage output in this game is ridiculous! But I love how broken it is. :)

[adgjmqtw]

Oicho

O Icho

おお いちょう

大 銀杏

Great Ginkgo-biloba

[JumpingBalrog]

that's nasty.

[Apemopo]

lol the announcer was rooting for guile "shit combo"

[IoIocaust]

its not 100% . . theres a break in the combo before the grab which can easily be reversed

[wiggi0620]

@IoIocaust It's a command grab, so no, it cannot be reversed. It might be able to be avoided, though. Not sure.

But you cannot reverse that grab.

[pbrubaker]

@wiggi0620 All command grabs can be beaten in this game by executing a non-throwable reversal move.

[wiggi0620]

@pbrubaker Well, yea. I knew that. lol

[pbrubaker]

@IoIocaust It's not a 100% combo, it's a grab setup that does 100%. There's a gap between when the combo ends and when the throw occurs, and if Honda doesn't negative-edge the throw he'll be vulnerable to a reversal. Characters like Zangief and T-Hawk can reversal grab or super. It's something you mix-up though for sure and not a guaranteed setup.

[Glahga]

@pbrubaker Out of curiosity, how hard is it to escape? I know Zangief does some jab,jab,SPD setups that are nearly inescapable because you have a tiny single-digit frame window to reversal before he throws you, and because he can vary the number of jabs before SPD it ends up being monstrously difficult to get out.

[XxGonixXFAN]

Great job man.

[reniisgod]

Disgusting Honda

[olivarious]

Those crouching LKs do an obscene amount of damage

[disturbedsongstress]

On a side note, when "5 hit combo" came up, I definitely thought it said "Shit combo."

[bamskull]

i wish his ex headbutt went thru fire balls in ssf4

[jfachris]

@bamskull it does as long as it's a single fireball. this honda can got through fireballs with his weak head butt.

[bamskull]

@jfachris ex headbutt doesnt go thru any fireballs in ssf4. if dat was the case then honda wud of had an easier time against shotos

[Jarrkha]

I love that the older SF games have negative edge and motion storing abilities... can't do that in SF4 games at all.

[MrScrubkiller]

is there no damage scaling in this game

[pbrubaker]

@MrScrubkiller Not really. There is some scaling based on who one the previous round, and some randomness to the damage, but it will almost always kill the opponent.

[CUB0W]

@MrScrubkiller nope, which is why Balrog actually rapes, one of my favourite combos in the game:

Jump HK - cr. jab - st. jab - st. jab - rush punch, destroys Sagat, watch footage of Street Fighter II when Daigo plays Balrog, he kills Sagat with two combos :P

[yungS12]

now can somone explain to me why guile stood up after he had no life???? just curious lol

[pbrubaker]

@yungS12 This was recorded using a training dummy.

[yungS12]

@pbrubaker i apologize for mynignorance for i have not played this game before

[thedukeoftbc]

@yungS12 So he could go home and be a family man.

[scaerlinc]

Megaman you are what inspired me to play e honda.. amazing.

[HR2quik]

Dude I played ea megaman on xbox live. He always plays drunk but still murders. Hit me up bro

[pbrubaker]

Haha! I remember ya homie! Not always drunk, but more often than not in the late night! Hopefully I'll run into you again when I have some free time from work.  Peace!

[BoxerMuscleMilk]

@pbrubaker As long as you don't drink too much, not good dude, and don't drive. Nice Combo by the way, I use Balrog and Sagot

Ask more if needed bud :P

[SpyManSH]

100% real not fake 10/10

[HakuryuVision]

Honda!

Don't mess with the sumo!

[pbrubaker]

Haha, you're an idiot.  Stop spreading misinformation.

[merkabah]

Stunning!!!!!

[Lndmk227]

... Whoa. Care to play some on Live? I'm ALWAYS looking for better players to try and improve.

Awesome combo, at any rate. I now realize just how much I have to learn. Thanks for this.

[ThundahMunkee]

It's Oicho noob

[angelV1]

holy shit!

[PandaBearParamedics]

YEAH! That was the coolest six seconds ever!

I'm a (crappy) E. Honda player, so this is really awesome to see.

[921144666]

bring that junk to evo! :-)

[pbrubaker]

I am for sure!

[theway280]

I rember seeing this combo for the first time and thinking how great it would be to land it in a tournament, and out of no where devastation 2009 i see the same type of combo, by the same guy and against john choi

[LooieLycanLucius]

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[Tryllefod]

I'm pretty sure both Zangief and Hawk can get in a command throw or SUPER after the HHS.

[pbrubaker]

Ya, anyone can get out after HHS. Most people don't though.

[Tryllefod]

Not like it matters much, if people reversal after HHS they will most likely get punished for their whiffed move. So it's a pretty neat combo, does it work in ST too?

[pbrubaker]

You can actually jump out, there's that much time. Most players are a little shell shocked by it so they end up getting thrown.

Ya it works in ST but it's much harder. In ST though, the Ochio does a shit ton of stun, so it has a much higher chance if rendering your opponent dizzy.

[Tryllefod]

The wonders of not having a command throw whiff animation, one should attempt one at all times. Oh yeah Fierce Ochio's stun damage has always been up for debate in ST, since it does twice the stun damage of a normal throw and place you right untop of your opponent.

[pbrubaker]

The no whiff doesn't really matter. Hawk and Gief have combos that end in throws. Basically my point here is that those players practiced that enough to be able to have the timing right. Most of the time anything those guys can do Honda would be able to do. The time Honda's throw is a bunch of crap is when his opponent is attempting to combo and misses, Honda wins there. Also, in ST all versions of Honda's Ochio did 2x dizzy. Not just fierce.

[Tryllefod]

You can't combo into throws in ST as you know, so I can't imagine Gief comboing a throw, since there's that reversal window right before the SPD connects. Hawk can cross-up -> cr.jab -> cr.jab -> negative edge safe Typhoon attempt in ST. I can imagine Honda doing the same, but his throw has limited range IIRC.

I'm not here to discuss whether or not vice versa is fair, thanks for clarifying that all Ochios do 2 x stun.

[Metawar14]

no mention of damage boost?

[pbrubaker]

What are you referring to? Randomness? Like this isn't always 100%? 99.9% of the time this does 100% damage. Unfortunately there is some randomness in ST. Depending on some factors (like: if you won the first round, you are way ahead in life, or the game rolled the dice in your opponents favor) this may not do 100% damage. No I didn't mention that. Because most of the time this does 100%.

[Metawar14]

No...it seems that the damage is turned up all the way...i haven't tried it but....eh..i don't really care anyway...

[pbrubaker]

There is no damage adjustment. It's 100% default configuration. This isn't his only 100% combo either.

[jocund50]

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[SnDFrostey]

OOOOOOUAAAA, ooua, ouua

[syxx573]

lol, i didn't even know honda had links in this game

[DonkeyFist]

Now that hands is 3 inputs are 5 needed for this combo?

And damn Honda for keeping negative edge and stored ochio with no whiff!!

[pbrubaker]

I believe it's 3 for light, 4 for medium, and 5 for fierce. At least that's what I come up with when I test it.

[DonkeyFist]

"Hundred hands easier to execute (now requires 3 presses of a given punch button rather than 4 presses)."

This is what Sirlin's blog says, but I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't programmed correctly like a few other things in HDR.

[pbrubaker]

It might be the speed that each button needs to be pressed that makes it seem like there are more button presses needed. Thanks for the info.

[killtrocity09]

please... button inputs...

[pbrubaker]

Explanation of how to do this added to the description.

[killtrocity09]

Thx man really appricated.

[pbrubaker]

No problem!

[MrSNK]

woa wtf..........

[goku883]

Honda is gay just like pete >.>

[oeverett]

Welp...this is going in the FAQ! Guaranteed!!! Crazy find!

[fatboySRK]

NO..comment.... **Cough** BS*** COUGH!!! J/k, nice find! Kinda... as long as I never get to feel it.