This is taken out of context. It is from the parable of the minas. The nobleman is speaking. Nice try. God bless you. A Christian. The pastor is cut off.
@crimsonninja From Matthew 24:50, on how Jesus, the Son of Man deal with his followers when he return.
Matthew 24:50 - The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
There, Jesus would personally kill his own followers just because they didn't obey his commands. Is that "Jihad" enuf?
Yes Jesus will fight, kill and die on the second coming. No doubt. Read Islamic eschatology. Man forget all that Christian tales about the turning the other cheek. Nonsense! Jesus will figh and kill when he comes back. that's the reality. No one died for no one's sin. More nonsense! He was the Chrsit, redeemer, selected, annointed. Touched by Allah. But no. He was not god nor a demi god. Just a servant of Allah. The believe someone's else died for your sin is a pagan believe. Think about it.
Another simple explanation that evolution is impossible: the energy required to destroy is always less that the energy required to build. Or, energy adequate to build is always more than enough to destroy. Any random force with enough power to build must have more than enough power to destroy, therefore any "construction" that may happen by random force must happen all at once, because the next random force will easily destroy whatever progress was made. So, the number of tries is meaningless.
@TheTexanCanadian Most "facts" can be observed. Mankind has observed extinctions, but never evolutionary change resulting in a new species.
Darwin observed adaptation, but not evolution. The ability to adapt to environmental changes is programmed into the existing DNA of most species. Adaptation does not involve change to the gene pool. Dominant traits change with environmental changes, and change back again when the environment changes again. Adaptation is not evolution.
@TheTexanCanadian I think you just said, "Evolution is a fact, therefore you are ignorant.
I've never understood why people think tautologies are explanations.
Evolution is not even a proper theory. I'm not even sure it qualifies as a proper hypothesis, since it has never been observed.
Ignorance begins when people won't question the dogma of the day. In the 21st century, scientific dogma is more extreme than it has been since the middle ages.
"I'm not even sure it qualifies as a proper hypothesis, since it has never been observed."
Both micro and macro evolution have been observed in real time, and we have hundreds of examples of transitional forms, and we have conclusive proof in DNA that we share common ancestry with other apes. There is absolutely no question scientifically speaking that evolution is true.
And you are wrong, speciation has been documented hundreds of times.
And yes, because evolution is a fact and someone does not know why, they are ignorant either by choice or just because they haven't discovered the data. This does not change the fact that it is true.
There is not dogma involved in evolutionary biology. Adaptation actually is evolution, by the way, that's the whole point. You are saying that speciation doesn't happen, and that's demonstrably false.
@Futureplanet Even dice are not random. Take three dice, each a different color. roll them repeatedly, creating a 3D graph of all possible values, chart the results of each roll, with each color representing a dimension. if dice produced random results, the graph would quickly represent a cube, but the graph created by rolling actual dice has "holes" with points that never get selected. "Random" values must be carefully engineered. Real values have patterns.
this is what we wanna see. harmony. theres no need to hate each other because of different religion. Prophet Muhammad told their followers to respect other religion.
@jammapcb (I can't seem to post my reply so it lines up with your post.) Hundreds of engineered precision steps are involved in the replication of the simplest RNA strand, in a process that resembles knitting. (Psalm 139:13)
@dwlloyd810 present a drawing of RNA from the scriptures.not just join dots to suit yourself. thats the thing about all of this. its a case of emotions blinding you of reality!
islamic offensive jihad refers to fighting in self defense, and authorizing followers to do so when attacked. This metaphor is JESUS HIMSELF giving the order to punish the enemies of him WHEN he returns on a cloud of glory. It was my pleasure to bring the truth to this debacle.
@gosper I'm a Christian, and I agree with your understanding of this passage. The only appropriate interpretation is that Jesus (as King) will demand the blood of his enemies. God limits Christians to loving actions while we await Jesus' return, but He still condemns Governments that fail to execute (kill) criminals who commit crimes worthy of death, and that principle won't change when Jesus returns. The "change" will be that Jesus will ensure his principles are followed.
so 2 points- 1. Jesus has to return as king first, meaning the day of judgment and 2. He only slays the enemies that REJECT HIM AS THE RETURNED KING AND DONT WANT HIM. Even the idiot who has done crap all in producing good works for him is shown mercy, for those who choose to not accept Jesus they are instructed BY JESUS to the followers to round them up for judgment. This is not saying go out and kill any1 who doesn't accept the lord as your lord and savior PERIOD.
Eventually Jesus comes back and says so what did you produce from the money i gave you (faith) and to each servant that built upon it and produced more coins (works) Jesus rewards them as king with rewards (5 coins, 5 cities etc). To the servant who kept his coin in a napkin and did nothing with it he says wicked servant! you didnt get me anything. Give him ten coins (still merciful) and THEN HE SAYS and as for those enemies of mine that don't want me as king, slay them before me.
So the metaphor is a noble man that goes off from his people to obtain kingship (Jesus) leaving his servants (followers) with some coins (faith). The followers decide to reject Jesus and not want him as king when he's gone. (continued...)
I agree these Christians do not know their bible verses, so they looked silly. But the verse the Muslim is quoting does not REFER TO JIHAD. Jesus was speaking to the people and as usual gave a metaphor. The metaphor was representing the day of judgment when Jesus returns as king. Read all of Luke 19 in context. (continued...)
@jammapcb Christianity is your example. There are almost as many Christian viewpoints as their are Christians, but with a view main principles that bind us together, including Paul's statement about a first-century doctrinal dispute: let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. (Romans 14:2-6)
Name one atheist society, period. Mankind cannot exist without hope. Atheistic communism came as close as any, but it fell apart because of spiritual bankruptcy.
@dwlloyd810 no offence but nothing you say has any originality what so ever.... babylonian ideals are the basis for many modern so called words of god... its BS!!!.that men have forgotten that their ability is one of self responsibility over social dogma by those who do not know their own history! . you are a fake..of no importance .. of no real point or purpose or truth. so plz forget about convincing those who fear to explore the past writings before this social conditioning!
@jammapcb Attacking the opponent is the oldest logical fallacy of all. You only discredit yourself with that approach. Keep it up, and I win the argument without any evidence at all. If you want to make a meaningful response, attempt to prove me wrong. Show me an example of an atheist society that did not implode within a generation. That kind of evidence would be meaningful.
@dwlloyd810 scriptures are piss poor evidence.they lack images and details if that were there.you would of something of use.. but your fallacy is joining up vague sentences as reality!
@jammapcb Actually, there are hundreds of archaeological discoveries that were guided by information provided in the Scriptures, including names of forgotten cities and their rulers in which we found the names inscribed. Alexander the Great destroyed the scriptures of most of the peoples he conquered, but Hebrew scribes greeted Alexander before he arrived, and showed him Daniel's prophecy, including how he would divide his empire when he died, so Alexander did not destroy the Hebrew scriptures.
@dwlloyd810 in a nice way/.///// go fuck yourself.. with your deluded ideals plagiarized from older social laws.... social law = no god... no kings = only men wanting order amongst the deluded and pitiful such as yourself!
Are you capable of constructing an argument? Present evidence. The simplest form of life (self-replicating molecules) are complex machines that exceed the capability of mankind to fully comprehend.
@zimmerinhere The majority is usually wrong on any topic. Without objective morality made possible by expectation of judgement, Democracy would become the cruelest of all forms of Government. Only the restraint of objective morality enables justice, regardless of the form of Government. The American desire to separate Government from the influence of religion can be just as dangerous as Government that uses religion to justify tyranny. Leaders must be accountable to objective moral standards.
@dwlloyd810 In my opinion, the real "magic" of democracy is its tendency to bind Governments and force slow deliberation. Also, most "democracies" including the US Government are actually republics. We don't vote for laws, we vote for people, and we hold them accountable to objective laws that supersede the authority of those we elect.
Democracy works when it restrains Government and holds it accountable to standards that are greater than the Government.
@CrystalCastles2o11 I believe you have mixed two discussions in your mind. There has been a lot of discussion of "kill" v "punish" regarding Proverbs 23:13, which is not unclear to those who read Hebrew, but difficult to translate without adding lots of extra words, which introduces its own problems, since the more words we use, the less faithfully we translate a passage. The idea of the passage is that children need firm (but not excessive) discipline.
@dwlloyd810 Probably the "best" modern translation of Exodus 20:13 would be, “You shall not murder." as opposed to "Thou shalt not kill," which is the old traditional King James translation. The King James version was not bad when it was translated, but the implications of words have subtly changed over the years, and "Thou shalt not kill" seems much more generalized today, and has inspired some very unscriptural pacifism in the last century.
@jesussavior1364 Thousands of copies of the New Testament exist which were copied within 100 years of the events they record. Many of these manuscripts were only recently discovered, and they do not differ significantly from the older copies. The Dead Sea Scrolls provided us with copies of Old Testament passages that were sealed long before Jesus was born, and they do not very significantly either. Hebrew scriptures were recorded with check-sums on every line to prevent change.
@dwlloyd810 More unquestionable evidence exists to support the integrity of scripture than any other ancient literature, on a scale of 1000 to one, because thousands of copies were carefully kept across the entire world.
Jesus gave the Apostles authority to determine Church rules. They chose two "don'ts" and one "do": abstain from sexual immorality, and from meat sacrificed to idols, and love each other. Jews used the synagogue on Saturdays, so we used it on Sundays, and it became a tradition.
@dwlloyd810 This statement is not true. i did not purposely lie. I blended two points. There are thousands of very old copies from all over the world, that mostly agree, and there are hundreds of fragments of the new testament that date back to within 100 years of the events they describe. In this kind of discussion, accuracy is important. I'm sorry my first statement was not accurate.
@CrystalCastles2o11 Actually Romans 13 says Government is God's MINISTRY of vengeance toward those who do evil. Individuals must not take the law into their own hands, but we are required to obey and respect Government, which is commanded to execute those who commit capital crimes such as rape and murder (not a complete list).
@3rabsalimush Christians believe in ONE God. As Creator, and also in the way He relates to us, He is a Father. As an intelligent Power inspiring action and maintaining life moment-by-moment, He is a Spirit (not to be confused with spirit beings like angels). When God speaks, we understand He IS the speech. When we spend time with the Word, we spend time with God. John chapter one says God IS His Word, and His Message become a man who was only a man, but to be with Him was to be with God.
@Kokazoo22 The second law of thermodynamics disproves "Karma" as I understand the concept. Decay is the only "natural order" of the universe. It takes Intelligence to create justice. If "what goes around comes around" is really true, then it is because God is rewarding or punishing actions. The natural order would be "what happens, continues until inertia is overcome by decay."
@Futureplanet Even more amazing is the willingness of unbelievers to believe anything that lets them pretend God is not going to judge them someday. Evolution has never resulted in the development of a new species with a different number of chromosomes. The ability for species to adapt to new and unforeseen environments was programmed into each species' unique DNA by the Creator.
@dwlloyd810 It is not true that anything can happen randomly if given enough time, because random events in nature are not truly random. Instead, "random" events follow a pattern that is fully predictable given a large enough scale. The rules that govern the smallest quantum events cause the more likely events to repeat, while less likely events can never happen. If you need proof, the Mandelbrot set is a graph of random telephone noise patterns caused by "random" yet predictable natural events.
@dwlloyd810 Wow!! You have watched every animal and their chromosome throughout the history of time to disprove the mountains of DNA, fossil, anatomical, geological, palentological and biological evidence of evolution. YOU MUST BE GOD!!!
I want to see if I can do that to.....hmm...
No atom has ever joined to form a new molecule! Yeah!! This is fun. ummm... No dinosaur ever laid an egg.
Wow. I didn't know lying could be so much fun, you should do more lying..you are so good at it
@Futureplanet Not necessary. I understand that nothing truly random ever happens in nature. "Random" events happen in a way that gives preference to more likely events. Any graph of any naturally occurring "random" pattern has structure consistent with a fractal pattern that can be described mathematically. In other words, No amount of time will create information from random events. Self-replication requires information. Random events never generate information.
DNA is far too fragile to allow the possibility of evolution. It requires an unreasonable level of faith to assume we could create new species from random "mutations." Mutations are broken, by definition. If they live, they cannot reproduce. Random evolution is equivalent to creating a useful china pattern by shooting boxes of china with a shotgun. Keep shooting as long as you like. I don't have to examine any pieces of china to know the process won't be successful.
@dwlloyd810 Since you ABSOLUTELY did NOT study biology or science, I find it very amusing you are preaching about DNA to others. I can tell by your bogus and totally incorrect statements that you 10000% NOT a biologist.
Here's a little gem for you:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8227442.stm
Go and ASK ANY...yes...ANY DNA lab if they find mutation during DNA testing, our lab gets 1 every 200 cases you dingbat. Including mutations in fathers and mothers.
@Futureplanet Your link did not work. I tried to track it down, but apparently it was deleted in July of 2011. I did not say mutations don't happen. Random mutations are are how DNA decays until eventually a species becomes so weak it can no longer reproduce. Random mutations always destroy information. They do not magically create new information, unless you are using the term to describe horizontal gene transfer, which is NOT mutation.
@dwlloyd810 Odd. Go to Google and type BBC we are all mutants the first entry is the article. Sayshow everyone, even you, has over 100 mutations.
But the way, that is absolutely wrong what you wrote. If you have an ounce of integrity and honesty, why don't you find a biotechnologist or geneticist and ASK. Get the facts. Because your ideas of mutations are completely and utterly false.
A mutation is a read error in DNA, which happens all the time.
@Futureplanet I agree errors happen. Fortunately, they are rare. Some transcription errors are fatal; most are harmful, but none are beneficial. Fortunately these errors don't get propagated except when siblings mate, and we all know how "beneficial" that can be!
@dwlloyd810 DNA is made up of 4 bases A, G, C and T for short. When DNA copied there can be an error (we all have over 100 of them).
There can be a change...such as an A instead of a G, or a base missing. or a base inserted, an extra code.
This changes the protein that the gene is coding for. It can have any effect, good or bad. Look at HIV it mutates and gets resistant to drugs. The mutations are incrediblly benefical.
You are just way way off. Get a biology book and start again.
@Futureplanet Viruses are broken fragments of life. They have no purpose to give meaning to terms like "beneficial." Viruses spread like a crack in glass. The death of each host hastens the extinction of the virus. Transcription errors are a form of decay. They replace information with noise. No organism's success is improved by transcription errors, not even the "success" of a virus. Your examples are unrelated to the fiction of beneficial mutations that create information and new species.
@dwlloyd810 When a base is changed, that changes the codon for the protein, hence we have a new protein sequence. NEW INFORMATION!! Wow. How about that!
When DNA inserts a base, the DNA is now longer...MORE INFORMATION. Wow!! How about that.
When a retro virus inserts DNA into a geneome the animal has a new and longer genome. Wow...how about that.
Again, you simply don't know what you are talking about. I urge you find a genetists if you are brave enough to learn.
@Futureplanet You are evading the issue that random changes NEVER enhance an organism's survival or reproduction. ALL genetic changes to the number of chromosomes result in sterility, and NONE enhance survival. I realize there is a trend in the physical sciences to define all physical attributes of reality as information, but in the context of a discussion of evolution, information must be useful to the survival and propagation of a species to be considered "information."
@dwlloyd810 I have already told you this is a lie. And, I have also told you to find a qualified biologist and or genetist and put your absurd claim to the test. You have done neither. For religious reasons you have a false idea about genetics and you are sticking with it. Even though it breaks a commandement to lie, you have no problem if it protects your dogma.
I am not evading the issue. I gave you HIV as 1 example. Clearly you cannot grasp the concept and basics of genetics.
@dwlloyd810 Wow... So if I roll a dice it's not random!! Interesting. During DNA replication, if an error occurs in replication anywhere along the billions of code....that's not random either!!!
Wow..what a revelation!!!!! Let me guess... an invisible magic man in the sky is controlling it all. SO it just APPEARS totally random, but in fact, due to one of many different ancient books that you happen to believe in, that must make it true. Becuase you NEVER lie. Wow. Keep talking...
@Futureplanet Your dice selection serves to make my point. If I had an eight-sided dice with a zero value in its choices, how many times would I have to roll the dice to produce the octal code to reproduce all of the books at the library of congress? That is the level of complexity required to imitate the scale of the complexity of the information in the simplest DNA molecule. Monkeys at typewriters may type qwertyuiop many times, but they will never type a sonnet without intelligent design.
51 "Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division. 52 "For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three. 53 "Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
I'm concerned about how fellow Christians over-simplify truth.
@2Islamfrom0 As a Christian, I don't disagree with this assessment. However, I believe nothing happens that God does not allow and use for His own purposes, including misunderstandings. God is not going to judge us for what we did not understand. He will judge us for how we responded to the truth we did understand.
@oshahau To be fair, Christians try to use the Koran the same way, having no real interest in studying the Koran, the tendency is to skim it superficially, and make shallow arguments without knowing what we are talking about No Muslim is going to be convinced of anything except possibly that Christians are intellectually dishonest. Since we believe God Himself is encountered in his Word, we need only use our own scriptures to explain our beliefs, and God will use His words however He intends.
@dwlloyd810 Intellectually dishonest? Can you give an example please?
islam is based on ignorance, defamation and lies;
islam is the one twisting God's Word, messing with other religions, esp. against Christians and Jews, from which islam stole their scriptures, theology, etc..
Instead of promoting love and spiritual growth -as expected from a true religion-, islam's only purpose is to spread hatred, slander, lies and terrorism (even virtual) all around.
@dwlloyd810 "we need only use our own scriptures to explain our beliefs"
And why then are you supporting this video speaking against the Bible?
islam has no true scriptures, just forgeries and fictional blunders fabricated to contradict God's Word and people; hence the constant islamic violence throughout its entire history against everybody.
These muslim videos are just another proofs of this.
I'm a Christian. While Jesus was telling a story, it was to illustrate how Jesus will judge the unfaithful when he returns. Christians are taught to love GOD (the ONE and only GOD) and to love our neighbors. We are taught that without love, nothing we do has meaning. We tend to miss the part about how "loving our enemies" will bring worse judgement on them if they fail to repent. We tend to miss the part that GOD says "judgement is Mine" because He will judge (purify this world) with fire.
@Sharingthegospel45 Brother who told u we dont believe in jesus infact if a muslim don believe in jesus n his teachings is not muslim. The only problem is how christian scholars changed the scriptures and came up with different versions. God sent his book on prophet jesus. N jesus never claim that he is god. There is only 1 God n jesus(pbuh) was his messenger
Herm the Muslim didn't know the bible either (they always pick a specific verse on the bible to debate about it, but what they don't do is read all chapter), it wasn't Jesus who said that, he choose that verse with out reading the previous one, it wasn't even mentioning Jesus, it was talking about "the parable of the 10 minas".. None of then too know the bible!
@fandre1992 your pastor got owned, deal with it. christianity is a farce and you guys are idolators. and as we all saw the muslim did know the bible, where you not watching this video?? fucking tool
@CiMBoMTurkiye93 lOl mate, that ain't going to offend me, you don't offend me saying all that about Christianity, that's between you and God now, I wont be the one judging you, but the almighty God creator of all things ;)
There is no salvation is Islam. Jesus is the only way to heaven. God's gift to you is His Son, Jesus Christ. He died for your sins, was buried and rose again. Believe in Him for eternal life. Jesus said: Verily, verily, I say unto you he that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:47. We are saved by grace through faith alone in Christ alone.
If this wasn't a parable, then why didn't they do it? Why is there no other example of Christ preaching any sort of forceful, violent advancement of His kingdom? Why did he discourage Peter from using a sword? I would have laughed at this guy too.
@joelwhitson "And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead." (Exodus 12:29-30) there is MANY more like these verses. read ur book
@joelwhitson Nope. we were giving you lot your own taste of medicine. Pick and choose from the Quran out of context, the same thing will happen to you. This Christian guy did not even know that quote was in the Bible. Hahaha.
what so ever everyone know that islam is the fatest growing religion.. its according to the wikipedia, guiness book, CNN, BBC... find in internet... i am proud to be a converted muslim. this religion cannot be wrong because every media is defaming islam to stop the conversion ratio but it cannot happen.... instead its increasing rappidly in american europe arfica and in autralia...
@MultiKronblom Blowing up people? can you show is just ONE muslim blowing himself up? can you show us the verse that says we must blow ourselves up? and can you show us one verse that says we must "mutilate" innocent people. Note i said INNOCENT people NOT criminals.
@zamad24 your reasoning is a fallacy . your essentially stating 1) popularity = truth and 2) media persecution (jewish media such as CNN FOX etc) = truth....That being said I wish you peace my Muslim brother and I sympathize with the Palestine Christians (1/3 of Palestine population) and Muslims!! free Palestine!
@BankBeatsMusic dont the christians do that with muslims all the time? i have seen the way christians twist the words of the quran and take verses out of the context. what do u say about that?
@shrek91053 I'm sure there are some, but almost every "debate" I see is Muslims taking either that verse, something out of John, or the Trinity dialogue out of context. I'll point out the Quran verses that say to kill unbelievers, Muhammad murdering, Muhammad marrying 9 year olds, and lying to women and abusing them is okay to the mighty and "peaceful" Allah. Try me
i'm not being racist, but i think this muslim cheikh should be gathering coconut from a tree somewhere on an island instead of talking in front of a tv ahhaah......lol
so... according to you, Christians are at fault for every bad thing that has EVER happened. Dinosaurs dead? Christians.. global warming? Christians...you were born with a tiny dick? Christians. the Muslim religion is NOT the fastest growing religion...thats something Muslims tell other Muslims. if it were true, using your numbers, then there would only be Muslims in the world by 2014. i call B.S. (if it started to grow RIGHT after 9/11 it would have happened last year.)
@xeanth We're not blaming christians for anything! all we want is for people to know that islam is not what most of the people out there think it is. We dont approve of things like terrorism. in fact, it's against Islam to be a terrorist. islam is a religion of peace and harmony
@xeanth tbh, no i didn't read all of the previous posts. but you know how there are some good christians and some bad ones? ya well, Ignore the bad muslims who cuss and attack everything you say, these ppl only want a fight, pat attention to the ones that are 'good' muslims. As a muslim myself, i have never blamed any christians for anything. like i said, there are some good people and some rude ignorant ones so why attack a race or religion because of minorities?;)
HAHAHAHA! Very good! It does say this...but, its part of a parable. Jesus was giving the analogy of the three servants whom he gave money to. this parable was about how we, as Christians, need to use the gifts (talents, money, opprotunities etc.) that we are given wisely. people need to read in context more often.
in luke 19:27, Jesus is telling A STORY about a EARTHLY KING. He is NOT telling his followers to kill anyone. READ the WHOLE verse. a little thing call context. there laughing because mr. Muslim is compleatly clueless, and looks like a dumb ass.
@xeanth Nope! he knows what the verse is about. He was just trying to give you Christians your own medicine. Picking out of context is dumb, right? That is what you do with the Quran! Pick and choose. Typical of you.
@leilafan123 simple. I despise any person, religion, government, politician ect. That has the audacity to believe that they are somehow special and therefor have the RIGHT to tell others what to do, how to live, and what to think or believe. islam is notorious for torturing,& killing anyone who disagrees with it.of course this is where you say "but the christains did it too!" yea...500 years ago...islam is doing it now.
@xeanth The so called 'muslims' are doing it. American Christians killed 15, 000 of innocent civilians in 2009- Irag. Christian crusades were the most violent sick murderers as well. The Quran clearly says, if you kill someone without any of the laws ( like the old statement laws) you are going to hell. YOU are a christian ;) you wouldnt't obviously waste your time.
@leilafan123 Just because someone is in the military, does not make them Christians. to go on & on about " American Christians killed "innocent civilians" is just retarded. I say "innocent" because when you are shooting at people you arnt "innocent" any more. .do you even stop to THINK before you type? the fact is a lot of Christians REFUSED to go over there... believing that the war was unjust. but you compleatly ignore that fact.
@xeanth Christians are doing this all, in order to reduce the Muslim population. I guess God was right, this world will be a heaven for the un-believers. Funny thing is, no matter how much you all bull shit, Europeans keep converting :) Can't stop this...
You didn't explain anything with "A STORY about a EARTHLY KING" and "He is NOT telling his followers to kill anyone." Could you briefly explain why "He is NOT telling his followers to kill anyone."? I would honestly like to hear this.
@SuperDedara simple...does the story of "hansel and gretel" teach that old people eat kids? the whole story starts luke 19:11. if you have a bible then you can look it up yourself. (kind'a long to type) if not you can go to a online bible to do it. its called "the parable of the 10 servants"
I might look up for "hansel and gretel" teaching later, but about Luke 19:11, if parable, who is that person in the verse who says: "But those my enemies..."? Who does the person saying this parable have in mind (story about who?)? What was the point of saying this parable?
So, you don't have to type much. Just answer these three questions very briefly.
@SuperDedara the parable tells of a king who was leaving his home to travel, and before going entrusted his property to his servants. one of his servants wasted money. when the king gets back and finds out he takes the remaining money from him and gives it to another and said "those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."
So, who does a king represent since the story is parable?
Why does king take money from the servant, who had least money and was the least successful in the mission that king had given to all of his servants, and gives that money to the servant who had the most money and was the most successful amongst the servants?
@SuperDedara being im not christian, nor have I studied theology, I can only ASSUME that the king represents god (the father). everything else I must take as written.perhaps the money was given to the most successful as a reward..I dont know. but clearly Jesus isnt telling his followers to kill anyone.
The Quaran is a collection of notes or writtings written by one of Muhammad's wives because he was illiterate.These writings were on leaves, on bones, and other peculiar items. Muhammad was married to a jewish woman.He was not a black man, as proclaimed by Muslims, he was fair skinned. In addition, Muslims use messages from their Imams called Hadiths.These too are not God inspired. Compared to the Bible,the Quaran is historically and fundamentally a farce. The Quaran is a doctrine of devils.
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.’ 2 Tim. 4:3
This was funny. This guy is not able to debate. I've read the old and new testament. And I understood why christianity is falling today. That's not a serious book. The Romans chosed why they want people to believe and today the Chruch is paying the price. Judaïsme a serious religion. Christians rejected the law of Moses and that was the boggest mistake ever.
The blacks were NOT freed by mohammad , and EVEN ABU BAKR KEPT SLAVES. Ishaq:144 "A rock was put on a slave's chest. When Abu Bakr complained, they said, 'You are the one who corrupted him, so save him from his plight.' I will do so,' said Bakr. 'I have a black slave, tougher and stronger than Bilal, who is a heathen. I will exchange him. The transaction was carried out."
@KathleenMeyers63 Yes Abu Bakr kept slaves, and yes Islam did not abolish slavery but slaves in Islam were more like adopted children rather than slaves. Prophet Muhammad instructed us to feed the slaves as we eat, cloth them as we cloth, educate them and treat them with kindness, forbade beating them. If the prophet and his companions didnt take them in, they would have died of poverty. Muslims are even encouraged to marry their slaves in Islam.
@mrahman1992 hahahhahah...that is a good one...."but slaves in Islam were more like adopted children" you have got to be kidding me, you guys cannot show LOVE or COMPASSION to ANYTHING or ANYBODY world wide, never could, Mohammed was a bloodthirsty, evil, ever horny childrapist-/molester, who at 53 married a 9 yr. old girl, it has been proven in many independent studies, that the QURAN was STOLEN...from the OLD TESTAMENT, and that M. had someone write his own wishes and Ideas
@KathleenMeyers63 If Mohammed (pbuh) made some one write the glorious Quran for him, or if he was the author himself, then why is Jesus (pbuh) was mentionned no more than 25 times by name, and Mohammed (pbuh) himself was only mentionned no more than 5 times by name. Why ? did he mention 500% more times jesus than himself Why does Jesus' mother Mary have a chapter just for herself, in the Quran promoting her to be above all the woman.While Mohamed's mother doesnt have one
@Dragogen and oh I forgot (GU) meaning at your age you hardly have any knowledge of anything, because the eggshells have not yet completely fallen off from behind your ears.
@KathleenMeyers63 To escape a difficult argument you cannot handle by making unreasonable suggestions is ridiculous. I hope you brain is old enough to understand this statement. (No Offense)
I am trying to correct you on some issues you're lacking knowledge on. So please, appreciate my effort and don't reject me based on moronic suggestions such as my age. You would be surprised to know what a youngster could teach you nowadays.
This is taken out of context. It is from the parable of the minas. The nobleman is speaking. Nice try. God bless you. A Christian. The pastor is cut off.
grulladozer 23 hours ago
Sheikh Faisal is too heavy for the Christian speaker... look like the Christian speaker was shock to see that in the Bible.
julio14335 1 day ago
laugh it off. LIKE A BOSS
loyalrobot 2 days ago
Luke: 19 Verses 13-27 is about the time of Revelation it has nothing to do with Jihad.
crimsonninja 2 days ago
@crimsonninja From Matthew 24:50, on how Jesus, the Son of Man deal with his followers when he return.
Matthew 24:50 - The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
There, Jesus would personally kill his own followers just because they didn't obey his commands. Is that "Jihad" enuf?
ahmadaz96001 2 days ago
@crimsonninja
Retarded fuck. Jihad too in the Quran was about the wars going on back then. Just keep on doing your excuses..
Xzibillion 2 days ago
Yes Jesus will fight, kill and die on the second coming. No doubt. Read Islamic eschatology. Man forget all that Christian tales about the turning the other cheek. Nonsense! Jesus will figh and kill when he comes back. that's the reality. No one died for no one's sin. More nonsense! He was the Chrsit, redeemer, selected, annointed. Touched by Allah. But no. He was not god nor a demi god. Just a servant of Allah. The believe someone's else died for your sin is a pagan believe. Think about it.
lastsaracen 2 days ago
@lastsaracen
And when people like you who love violence fill the heaven...How TERRIBLE that heaven will be!!!?
shininglamb 19 hours ago
evaluation copy... LIKE A BOSS!
bibiyo 2 days ago
I love this debate! its hilarious
illuminialumni 2 days ago
Another simple explanation that evolution is impossible: the energy required to destroy is always less that the energy required to build. Or, energy adequate to build is always more than enough to destroy. Any random force with enough power to build must have more than enough power to destroy, therefore any "construction" that may happen by random force must happen all at once, because the next random force will easily destroy whatever progress was made. So, the number of tries is meaningless.
dwlloyd810 2 days ago
@dwlloyd810
"Another simple explanation that evolution is impossible"
Evolution is a fact. Suggesting it's impossible just showcases your ignorance.
TheTexanCanadian 2 days ago
@TheTexanCanadian Most "facts" can be observed. Mankind has observed extinctions, but never evolutionary change resulting in a new species.
Darwin observed adaptation, but not evolution. The ability to adapt to environmental changes is programmed into the existing DNA of most species. Adaptation does not involve change to the gene pool. Dominant traits change with environmental changes, and change back again when the environment changes again. Adaptation is not evolution.
dwlloyd810 2 days ago
@TheTexanCanadian I think you just said, "Evolution is a fact, therefore you are ignorant.
I've never understood why people think tautologies are explanations.
Evolution is not even a proper theory. I'm not even sure it qualifies as a proper hypothesis, since it has never been observed.
Ignorance begins when people won't question the dogma of the day. In the 21st century, scientific dogma is more extreme than it has been since the middle ages.
dwlloyd810 2 days ago
@dwlloyd810
"I'm not even sure it qualifies as a proper hypothesis, since it has never been observed."
Both micro and macro evolution have been observed in real time, and we have hundreds of examples of transitional forms, and we have conclusive proof in DNA that we share common ancestry with other apes. There is absolutely no question scientifically speaking that evolution is true.
And you are wrong, speciation has been documented hundreds of times.
TheTexanCanadian 2 days ago
@dwlloyd810
Cont'd.
And yes, because evolution is a fact and someone does not know why, they are ignorant either by choice or just because they haven't discovered the data. This does not change the fact that it is true.
There is not dogma involved in evolutionary biology. Adaptation actually is evolution, by the way, that's the whole point. You are saying that speciation doesn't happen, and that's demonstrably false.
TheTexanCanadian 2 days ago
@Futureplanet Even dice are not random. Take three dice, each a different color. roll them repeatedly, creating a 3D graph of all possible values, chart the results of each roll, with each color representing a dimension. if dice produced random results, the graph would quickly represent a cube, but the graph created by rolling actual dice has "holes" with points that never get selected. "Random" values must be carefully engineered. Real values have patterns.
dwlloyd810 2 days ago
Here is harmony that should be equally appreciated by all, the machinery of life:
youtube.com/watch?v=4PKjF7OumYo
dwlloyd810 3 days ago
LOL
3000masina 3 days ago
But wouldn't a fender start going through a tube super reverb amp be more spiritual?
winwin997 3 days ago
Funny lol
Gergoori 3 days ago
this is what we wanna see. harmony. theres no need to hate each other because of different religion. Prophet Muhammad told their followers to respect other religion.
syahiransharifudeen 3 days ago
@jammapcb (I can't seem to post my reply so it lines up with your post.) Hundreds of engineered precision steps are involved in the replication of the simplest RNA strand, in a process that resembles knitting. (Psalm 139:13)
dwlloyd810 4 days ago
@dwlloyd810 present a drawing of RNA from the scriptures.not just join dots to suit yourself. thats the thing about all of this. its a case of emotions blinding you of reality!
jammapcb 4 days ago
islamic offensive jihad refers to fighting in self defense, and authorizing followers to do so when attacked. This metaphor is JESUS HIMSELF giving the order to punish the enemies of him WHEN he returns on a cloud of glory. It was my pleasure to bring the truth to this debacle.
gosper 4 days ago
@gosper I'm a Christian, and I agree with your understanding of this passage. The only appropriate interpretation is that Jesus (as King) will demand the blood of his enemies. God limits Christians to loving actions while we await Jesus' return, but He still condemns Governments that fail to execute (kill) criminals who commit crimes worthy of death, and that principle won't change when Jesus returns. The "change" will be that Jesus will ensure his principles are followed.
dwlloyd810 2 days ago
so 2 points- 1. Jesus has to return as king first, meaning the day of judgment and 2. He only slays the enemies that REJECT HIM AS THE RETURNED KING AND DONT WANT HIM. Even the idiot who has done crap all in producing good works for him is shown mercy, for those who choose to not accept Jesus they are instructed BY JESUS to the followers to round them up for judgment. This is not saying go out and kill any1 who doesn't accept the lord as your lord and savior PERIOD.
gosper 4 days ago
Eventually Jesus comes back and says so what did you produce from the money i gave you (faith) and to each servant that built upon it and produced more coins (works) Jesus rewards them as king with rewards (5 coins, 5 cities etc). To the servant who kept his coin in a napkin and did nothing with it he says wicked servant! you didnt get me anything. Give him ten coins (still merciful) and THEN HE SAYS and as for those enemies of mine that don't want me as king, slay them before me.
gosper 4 days ago
So the metaphor is a noble man that goes off from his people to obtain kingship (Jesus) leaving his servants (followers) with some coins (faith). The followers decide to reject Jesus and not want him as king when he's gone. (continued...)
gosper 4 days ago
I agree these Christians do not know their bible verses, so they looked silly. But the verse the Muslim is quoting does not REFER TO JIHAD. Jesus was speaking to the people and as usual gave a metaphor. The metaphor was representing the day of judgment when Jesus returns as king. Read all of Luke 19 in context. (continued...)
gosper 4 days ago
Christians, Jews, and Muslims. You all deserve each other.
JacqBonh 4 days ago
@jammapcb Christianity is your example. There are almost as many Christian viewpoints as their are Christians, but with a view main principles that bind us together, including Paul's statement about a first-century doctrinal dispute: let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. (Romans 14:2-6)
Name one atheist society, period. Mankind cannot exist without hope. Atheistic communism came as close as any, but it fell apart because of spiritual bankruptcy.
dwlloyd810 4 days ago
@dwlloyd810 no offence but nothing you say has any originality what so ever.... babylonian ideals are the basis for many modern so called words of god... its BS!!!.that men have forgotten that their ability is one of self responsibility over social dogma by those who do not know their own history! . you are a fake..of no importance .. of no real point or purpose or truth. so plz forget about convincing those who fear to explore the past writings before this social conditioning!
jammapcb 4 days ago
@jammapcb Attacking the opponent is the oldest logical fallacy of all. You only discredit yourself with that approach. Keep it up, and I win the argument without any evidence at all. If you want to make a meaningful response, attempt to prove me wrong. Show me an example of an atheist society that did not implode within a generation. That kind of evidence would be meaningful.
dwlloyd810 4 days ago
@dwlloyd810 scriptures are piss poor evidence.they lack images and details if that were there.you would of something of use.. but your fallacy is joining up vague sentences as reality!
jammapcb 4 days ago
@jammapcb Actually, there are hundreds of archaeological discoveries that were guided by information provided in the Scriptures, including names of forgotten cities and their rulers in which we found the names inscribed. Alexander the Great destroyed the scriptures of most of the peoples he conquered, but Hebrew scribes greeted Alexander before he arrived, and showed him Daniel's prophecy, including how he would divide his empire when he died, so Alexander did not destroy the Hebrew scriptures.
dwlloyd810 3 days ago
@dwlloyd810 in a nice way/.///// go fuck yourself.. with your deluded ideals plagiarized from older social laws.... social law = no god... no kings = only men wanting order amongst the deluded and pitiful such as yourself!
jammapcb 4 days ago
Are you capable of constructing an argument? Present evidence. The simplest form of life (self-replicating molecules) are complex machines that exceed the capability of mankind to fully comprehend.
dwlloyd810 4 days ago
@zimmerinhere Well said.
dwlloyd810 4 days ago
@zimmerinhere The majority is usually wrong on any topic. Without objective morality made possible by expectation of judgement, Democracy would become the cruelest of all forms of Government. Only the restraint of objective morality enables justice, regardless of the form of Government. The American desire to separate Government from the influence of religion can be just as dangerous as Government that uses religion to justify tyranny. Leaders must be accountable to objective moral standards.
dwlloyd810 4 days ago
@dwlloyd810 In my opinion, the real "magic" of democracy is its tendency to bind Governments and force slow deliberation. Also, most "democracies" including the US Government are actually republics. We don't vote for laws, we vote for people, and we hold them accountable to objective laws that supersede the authority of those we elect.
Democracy works when it restrains Government and holds it accountable to standards that are greater than the Government.
dwlloyd810 4 days ago
@CrystalCastles2o11 I believe you have mixed two discussions in your mind. There has been a lot of discussion of "kill" v "punish" regarding Proverbs 23:13, which is not unclear to those who read Hebrew, but difficult to translate without adding lots of extra words, which introduces its own problems, since the more words we use, the less faithfully we translate a passage. The idea of the passage is that children need firm (but not excessive) discipline.
dwlloyd810 4 days ago
@dwlloyd810 Probably the "best" modern translation of Exodus 20:13 would be, “You shall not murder." as opposed to "Thou shalt not kill," which is the old traditional King James translation. The King James version was not bad when it was translated, but the implications of words have subtly changed over the years, and "Thou shalt not kill" seems much more generalized today, and has inspired some very unscriptural pacifism in the last century.
dwlloyd810 4 days ago
@jesussavior1364 Thousands of copies of the New Testament exist which were copied within 100 years of the events they record. Many of these manuscripts were only recently discovered, and they do not differ significantly from the older copies. The Dead Sea Scrolls provided us with copies of Old Testament passages that were sealed long before Jesus was born, and they do not very significantly either. Hebrew scriptures were recorded with check-sums on every line to prevent change.
dwlloyd810 4 days ago
@dwlloyd810 More unquestionable evidence exists to support the integrity of scripture than any other ancient literature, on a scale of 1000 to one, because thousands of copies were carefully kept across the entire world.
Jesus gave the Apostles authority to determine Church rules. They chose two "don'ts" and one "do": abstain from sexual immorality, and from meat sacrificed to idols, and love each other. Jews used the synagogue on Saturdays, so we used it on Sundays, and it became a tradition.
dwlloyd810 4 days ago
@dwlloyd810 This statement is not true. i did not purposely lie. I blended two points. There are thousands of very old copies from all over the world, that mostly agree, and there are hundreds of fragments of the new testament that date back to within 100 years of the events they describe. In this kind of discussion, accuracy is important. I'm sorry my first statement was not accurate.
dwlloyd810 4 days ago
@CrystalCastles2o11 Actually Romans 13 says Government is God's MINISTRY of vengeance toward those who do evil. Individuals must not take the law into their own hands, but we are required to obey and respect Government, which is commanded to execute those who commit capital crimes such as rape and murder (not a complete list).
dwlloyd810 4 days ago
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@leadee2007 Well said.
dwlloyd810 5 days ago
@leadee2007 Well said.
dwlloyd810 5 days ago
@3rabsalimush Christians believe in ONE God. As Creator, and also in the way He relates to us, He is a Father. As an intelligent Power inspiring action and maintaining life moment-by-moment, He is a Spirit (not to be confused with spirit beings like angels). When God speaks, we understand He IS the speech. When we spend time with the Word, we spend time with God. John chapter one says God IS His Word, and His Message become a man who was only a man, but to be with Him was to be with God.
dwlloyd810 5 days ago
@Kokazoo22 The second law of thermodynamics disproves "Karma" as I understand the concept. Decay is the only "natural order" of the universe. It takes Intelligence to create justice. If "what goes around comes around" is really true, then it is because God is rewarding or punishing actions. The natural order would be "what happens, continues until inertia is overcome by decay."
dwlloyd810 5 days ago
@Futureplanet Even more amazing is the willingness of unbelievers to believe anything that lets them pretend God is not going to judge them someday. Evolution has never resulted in the development of a new species with a different number of chromosomes. The ability for species to adapt to new and unforeseen environments was programmed into each species' unique DNA by the Creator.
dwlloyd810 5 days ago
@dwlloyd810 It is not true that anything can happen randomly if given enough time, because random events in nature are not truly random. Instead, "random" events follow a pattern that is fully predictable given a large enough scale. The rules that govern the smallest quantum events cause the more likely events to repeat, while less likely events can never happen. If you need proof, the Mandelbrot set is a graph of random telephone noise patterns caused by "random" yet predictable natural events.
dwlloyd810 5 days ago
@dwlloyd810 Wow!! You have watched every animal and their chromosome throughout the history of time to disprove the mountains of DNA, fossil, anatomical, geological, palentological and biological evidence of evolution. YOU MUST BE GOD!!!
I want to see if I can do that to.....hmm...
No atom has ever joined to form a new molecule! Yeah!! This is fun. ummm... No dinosaur ever laid an egg.
Wow. I didn't know lying could be so much fun, you should do more lying..you are so good at it
Futureplanet 4 days ago
@Futureplanet Not necessary. I understand that nothing truly random ever happens in nature. "Random" events happen in a way that gives preference to more likely events. Any graph of any naturally occurring "random" pattern has structure consistent with a fractal pattern that can be described mathematically. In other words, No amount of time will create information from random events. Self-replication requires information. Random events never generate information.
dwlloyd810 4 days ago
DNA is far too fragile to allow the possibility of evolution. It requires an unreasonable level of faith to assume we could create new species from random "mutations." Mutations are broken, by definition. If they live, they cannot reproduce. Random evolution is equivalent to creating a useful china pattern by shooting boxes of china with a shotgun. Keep shooting as long as you like. I don't have to examine any pieces of china to know the process won't be successful.
dwlloyd810 4 days ago
@dwlloyd810 Since you ABSOLUTELY did NOT study biology or science, I find it very amusing you are preaching about DNA to others. I can tell by your bogus and totally incorrect statements that you 10000% NOT a biologist.
Here's a little gem for you:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8227442.stm
Go and ASK ANY...yes...ANY DNA lab if they find mutation during DNA testing, our lab gets 1 every 200 cases you dingbat. Including mutations in fathers and mothers.
Futureplanet 3 days ago
@Futureplanet Your link did not work. I tried to track it down, but apparently it was deleted in July of 2011. I did not say mutations don't happen. Random mutations are are how DNA decays until eventually a species becomes so weak it can no longer reproduce. Random mutations always destroy information. They do not magically create new information, unless you are using the term to describe horizontal gene transfer, which is NOT mutation.
dwlloyd810 3 days ago
@dwlloyd810 Odd. Go to Google and type BBC we are all mutants the first entry is the article. Sayshow everyone, even you, has over 100 mutations.
But the way, that is absolutely wrong what you wrote. If you have an ounce of integrity and honesty, why don't you find a biotechnologist or geneticist and ASK. Get the facts. Because your ideas of mutations are completely and utterly false.
A mutation is a read error in DNA, which happens all the time.
Futureplanet 3 days ago
@Futureplanet I agree errors happen. Fortunately, they are rare. Some transcription errors are fatal; most are harmful, but none are beneficial. Fortunately these errors don't get propagated except when siblings mate, and we all know how "beneficial" that can be!
dwlloyd810 2 days ago
@dwlloyd810 DNA is made up of 4 bases A, G, C and T for short. When DNA copied there can be an error (we all have over 100 of them).
There can be a change...such as an A instead of a G, or a base missing. or a base inserted, an extra code.
This changes the protein that the gene is coding for. It can have any effect, good or bad. Look at HIV it mutates and gets resistant to drugs. The mutations are incrediblly benefical.
You are just way way off. Get a biology book and start again.
Futureplanet 3 days ago
@Futureplanet Viruses are broken fragments of life. They have no purpose to give meaning to terms like "beneficial." Viruses spread like a crack in glass. The death of each host hastens the extinction of the virus. Transcription errors are a form of decay. They replace information with noise. No organism's success is improved by transcription errors, not even the "success" of a virus. Your examples are unrelated to the fiction of beneficial mutations that create information and new species.
dwlloyd810 2 days ago
@dwlloyd810 When a base is changed, that changes the codon for the protein, hence we have a new protein sequence. NEW INFORMATION!! Wow. How about that!
When DNA inserts a base, the DNA is now longer...MORE INFORMATION. Wow!! How about that.
When a retro virus inserts DNA into a geneome the animal has a new and longer genome. Wow...how about that.
Again, you simply don't know what you are talking about. I urge you find a genetists if you are brave enough to learn.
Futureplanet 3 days ago
@Futureplanet You are evading the issue that random changes NEVER enhance an organism's survival or reproduction. ALL genetic changes to the number of chromosomes result in sterility, and NONE enhance survival. I realize there is a trend in the physical sciences to define all physical attributes of reality as information, but in the context of a discussion of evolution, information must be useful to the survival and propagation of a species to be considered "information."
dwlloyd810 2 days ago
@dwlloyd810 I have already told you this is a lie. And, I have also told you to find a qualified biologist and or genetist and put your absurd claim to the test. You have done neither. For religious reasons you have a false idea about genetics and you are sticking with it. Even though it breaks a commandement to lie, you have no problem if it protects your dogma.
I am not evading the issue. I gave you HIV as 1 example. Clearly you cannot grasp the concept and basics of genetics.
Futureplanet 1 day ago
@dwlloyd810 go back to your church where you are probably the smartest person
mrIdontBelieVeingod 3 days ago
@dwlloyd810 Wow... So if I roll a dice it's not random!! Interesting. During DNA replication, if an error occurs in replication anywhere along the billions of code....that's not random either!!!
Wow..what a revelation!!!!! Let me guess... an invisible magic man in the sky is controlling it all. SO it just APPEARS totally random, but in fact, due to one of many different ancient books that you happen to believe in, that must make it true. Becuase you NEVER lie. Wow. Keep talking...
Futureplanet 3 days ago
@Futureplanet Your dice selection serves to make my point. If I had an eight-sided dice with a zero value in its choices, how many times would I have to roll the dice to produce the octal code to reproduce all of the books at the library of congress? That is the level of complexity required to imitate the scale of the complexity of the information in the simplest DNA molecule. Monkeys at typewriters may type qwertyuiop many times, but they will never type a sonnet without intelligent design.
dwlloyd810 3 days ago
@alexanderuk111 Luke 12:51-53:53
51 "Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division. 52 "For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three. 53 "Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
I'm concerned about how fellow Christians over-simplify truth.
dwlloyd810 5 days ago
@2Islamfrom0 As a Christian, I don't disagree with this assessment. However, I believe nothing happens that God does not allow and use for His own purposes, including misunderstandings. God is not going to judge us for what we did not understand. He will judge us for how we responded to the truth we did understand.
dwlloyd810 5 days ago
@oshahau To be fair, Christians try to use the Koran the same way, having no real interest in studying the Koran, the tendency is to skim it superficially, and make shallow arguments without knowing what we are talking about No Muslim is going to be convinced of anything except possibly that Christians are intellectually dishonest. Since we believe God Himself is encountered in his Word, we need only use our own scriptures to explain our beliefs, and God will use His words however He intends.
dwlloyd810 5 days ago
@dwlloyd810 Intellectually dishonest? Can you give an example please?
islam is based on ignorance, defamation and lies;
islam is the one twisting God's Word, messing with other religions, esp. against Christians and Jews, from which islam stole their scriptures, theology, etc..
Instead of promoting love and spiritual growth -as expected from a true religion-, islam's only purpose is to spread hatred, slander, lies and terrorism (even virtual) all around.
That's the truth of islam.
oshahau 4 days ago
@dwlloyd810 "we need only use our own scriptures to explain our beliefs"
And why then are you supporting this video speaking against the Bible?
islam has no true scriptures, just forgeries and fictional blunders fabricated to contradict God's Word and people; hence the constant islamic violence throughout its entire history against everybody.
These muslim videos are just another proofs of this.
oshahau 4 days ago
/watch?v=GaZwbYjV-vA
gerechtes114 5 days ago
Mental paralympics.
FredricF 5 days ago
Religion is for fools.
maxlimbo007 5 days ago
FUNNY VIDEO MASHA ALLAH!
Ulisesbautista75 5 days ago
I'm a Christian. While Jesus was telling a story, it was to illustrate how Jesus will judge the unfaithful when he returns. Christians are taught to love GOD (the ONE and only GOD) and to love our neighbors. We are taught that without love, nothing we do has meaning. We tend to miss the part about how "loving our enemies" will bring worse judgement on them if they fail to repent. We tend to miss the part that GOD says "judgement is Mine" because He will judge (purify this world) with fire.
dwlloyd810 5 days ago
A fun panel :) It doesn't feel like a debate but a good-natured talk between buddies
Noornhn 5 days ago
@Sharingthegospel45 Brother who told u we dont believe in jesus infact if a muslim don believe in jesus n his teachings is not muslim. The only problem is how christian scholars changed the scriptures and came up with different versions. God sent his book on prophet jesus. N jesus never claim that he is god. There is only 1 God n jesus(pbuh) was his messenger
Maanie09 5 days ago
Herm the Muslim didn't know the bible either (they always pick a specific verse on the bible to debate about it, but what they don't do is read all chapter), it wasn't Jesus who said that, he choose that verse with out reading the previous one, it wasn't even mentioning Jesus, it was talking about "the parable of the 10 minas".. None of then too know the bible!
fandre1992 6 days ago
@fandre1992 your pastor got owned, deal with it. christianity is a farce and you guys are idolators. and as we all saw the muslim did know the bible, where you not watching this video?? fucking tool
CiMBoMTurkiye93 5 days ago
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fandre1992 5 days ago
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@CiMBoMTurkiye93 lOl mate, that ain't going to offend me, you don't offend me saying all that about Christianity, that's between you and God now, I wont be the one judging you, but the almighty God creator of all things ;)
Deal with it now
fandre1992 5 days ago
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There is no salvation is Islam. Jesus is the only way to heaven. God's gift to you is His Son, Jesus Christ. He died for your sins, was buried and rose again. Believe in Him for eternal life. Jesus said: Verily, verily, I say unto you he that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:47. We are saved by grace through faith alone in Christ alone.
Sharingthegospel45 6 days ago
SOO FUNNY
reflectimage 6 days ago
HAHAHAHA that was jokeeeeess
OddLion 6 days ago
Denzel know's his shit!
Fifthmuskateer 1 week ago
If this wasn't a parable, then why didn't they do it? Why is there no other example of Christ preaching any sort of forceful, violent advancement of His kingdom? Why did he discourage Peter from using a sword? I would have laughed at this guy too.
joelwhitson 1 week ago
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@joelwhitson "And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead." (Exodus 12:29-30) there is MANY more like these verses. read ur book
ThePinkLei 1 week ago
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joelwhitson 1 week ago
@joelwhitson Nope. we were giving you lot your own taste of medicine. Pick and choose from the Quran out of context, the same thing will happen to you. This Christian guy did not even know that quote was in the Bible. Hahaha.
leilafan123 6 days ago
Allah akbar Allah akbar, islam for life. Couldnt stop laughing.
singrest2006 1 week ago 9
@singrest2006 /watch?v=GaZwbYjV-vA
gerechtes114 5 days ago
68 000 people convert to Islam every day. Allah is great
MrJawadwydad 1 week ago
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the context in the book is the fact but by giving explanation you can add any fairy tale that might suite the situtation lolol
MIZTA187 1 week ago
what so ever everyone know that islam is the fatest growing religion.. its according to the wikipedia, guiness book, CNN, BBC... find in internet... i am proud to be a converted muslim. this religion cannot be wrong because every media is defaming islam to stop the conversion ratio but it cannot happen.... instead its increasing rappidly in american europe arfica and in autralia...
zamad24 1 week ago 14
@zamad24 just stop this stupid insulting ideology and become normal
Belem809 1 week ago
@zamad24 Media does not have to defame islam you are doing a pretty good
job yourselfs with your stupid sharia laws, blowing people up, mutilate people and so
on. Only a total idiot wants to embrace that cult volontarily.
MultiKronblom 1 week ago
@MultiKronblom what do you know about sharia laws? Tell me what is the sharia laws? Bring me 5 sharia law, you don't like!
mahdydana 1 week ago
@mahdydana You are giving me an opening like that, are you really that stupid?
Never mind the latest statement, some things are to obvious. Very well the treatment
of women in general that they are worth less than men and all that that implies which is
more than 5 but I would only count it as one. Mutilation of thieves. deathpenalty for
apostasy, stoning, slavery, separation of sexes, circumsicion of women and men.
You know some of us actually likes women.
MultiKronblom 6 days ago
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@MultiKronblom Blowing up people? can you show is just ONE muslim blowing himself up? can you show us the verse that says we must blow ourselves up? and can you show us one verse that says we must "mutilate" innocent people. Note i said INNOCENT people NOT criminals.
ThePinkLei 1 week ago
@zamad24 your reasoning is a fallacy . your essentially stating 1) popularity = truth and 2) media persecution (jewish media such as CNN FOX etc) = truth....That being said I wish you peace my Muslim brother and I sympathize with the Palestine Christians (1/3 of Palestine population) and Muslims!! free Palestine!
donrobertoni 5 days ago
Another Muslim taking once verse out of the Scripture, flipping it and taking it out of context. Surprise surprise
BankBeatsMusic 1 week ago
@BankBeatsMusic dont the christians do that with muslims all the time? i have seen the way christians twist the words of the quran and take verses out of the context. what do u say about that?
shrek91053 1 week ago
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BankBeatsMusic 1 week ago
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@shrek91053 I'm sure there are some, but almost every "debate" I see is Muslims taking either that verse, something out of John, or the Trinity dialogue out of context. I'll point out the Quran verses that say to kill unbelievers, Muhammad murdering, Muhammad marrying 9 year olds, and lying to women and abusing them is okay to the mighty and "peaceful" Allah. Try me
BankBeatsMusic 1 week ago
i'm not being racist, but i think this muslim cheikh should be gathering coconut from a tree somewhere on an island instead of talking in front of a tv ahhaah......lol
walidhoyek 1 week ago
@walidhoyek so u dont have any more logic to prove ur point so ur being racist now?
shrek91053 1 week ago
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lol commun sense and logic are a must:) read some more instead of learning from people on youtube@shrek91053
walidhoyek 1 week ago
so... according to you, Christians are at fault for every bad thing that has EVER happened. Dinosaurs dead? Christians.. global warming? Christians...you were born with a tiny dick? Christians. the Muslim religion is NOT the fastest growing religion...thats something Muslims tell other Muslims. if it were true, using your numbers, then there would only be Muslims in the world by 2014. i call B.S. (if it started to grow RIGHT after 9/11 it would have happened last year.)
xeanth 1 week ago
@xeanth islam is the fastest growing religion and even CNN did a report on it
shrek91053 1 week ago
@xeanth We're not blaming christians for anything! all we want is for people to know that islam is not what most of the people out there think it is. We dont approve of things like terrorism. in fact, it's against Islam to be a terrorist. islam is a religion of peace and harmony
FNalsaleh 1 week ago
@FNalsaleh Then you clearly haven't gone back and read the previous posts.
xeanth 1 week ago
@xeanth tbh, no i didn't read all of the previous posts. but you know how there are some good christians and some bad ones? ya well, Ignore the bad muslims who cuss and attack everything you say, these ppl only want a fight, pat attention to the ones that are 'good' muslims. As a muslim myself, i have never blamed any christians for anything. like i said, there are some good people and some rude ignorant ones so why attack a race or religion because of minorities?;)
FNalsaleh 5 days ago
HAHAHAHA! Very good! It does say this...but, its part of a parable. Jesus was giving the analogy of the three servants whom he gave money to. this parable was about how we, as Christians, need to use the gifts (talents, money, opprotunities etc.) that we are given wisely. people need to read in context more often.
pooptypeuptypants55c 1 week ago
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LOLZZZZ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DAMN SON THAT WAS COLD LOLZZZZZZZZZ
MIZTA187 1 week ago
The black people are true muslims
OpenEyesProdTv 1 week ago
@OpenEyesProdTv LOL and what am i? a bad one? xDD im white, well, kinda
FNalsaleh 5 days ago
@FNalsaleh /watch?v=GaZwbYjV-vA
gerechtes114 5 days ago
in luke 19:27, Jesus is telling A STORY about a EARTHLY KING. He is NOT telling his followers to kill anyone. READ the WHOLE verse. a little thing call context. there laughing because mr. Muslim is compleatly clueless, and looks like a dumb ass.
xeanth 1 week ago
@xeanth Nope! he knows what the verse is about. He was just trying to give you Christians your own medicine. Picking out of context is dumb, right? That is what you do with the Quran! Pick and choose. Typical of you.
leilafan123 1 week ago
@leilafan123 1) not a Christian. 2) not what I do to the quran. never read it...dont give a crap.
xeanth 1 week ago
@xeanth then whats the point of watching religion debates......?
leilafan123 1 week ago
@leilafan123 simple. I despise any person, religion, government, politician ect. That has the audacity to believe that they are somehow special and therefor have the RIGHT to tell others what to do, how to live, and what to think or believe. islam is notorious for torturing,& killing anyone who disagrees with it.of course this is where you say "but the christains did it too!" yea...500 years ago...islam is doing it now.
xeanth 1 week ago
@xeanth The so called 'muslims' are doing it. American Christians killed 15, 000 of innocent civilians in 2009- Irag. Christian crusades were the most violent sick murderers as well. The Quran clearly says, if you kill someone without any of the laws ( like the old statement laws) you are going to hell. YOU are a christian ;) you wouldnt't obviously waste your time.
Laters.
leilafan123 1 week ago
@leilafan123 Just because someone is in the military, does not make them Christians. to go on & on about " American Christians killed "innocent civilians" is just retarded. I say "innocent" because when you are shooting at people you arnt "innocent" any more. .do you even stop to THINK before you type? the fact is a lot of Christians REFUSED to go over there... believing that the war was unjust. but you compleatly ignore that fact.
xeanth 1 week ago
@xeanth Christians are doing this all, in order to reduce the Muslim population. I guess God was right, this world will be a heaven for the un-believers. Funny thing is, no matter how much you all bull shit, Europeans keep converting :) Can't stop this...
leilafan123 1 week ago
@xeanth
You didn't explain anything with "A STORY about a EARTHLY KING" and "He is NOT telling his followers to kill anyone." Could you briefly explain why "He is NOT telling his followers to kill anyone."? I would honestly like to hear this.
SuperDedara 1 week ago
@SuperDedara simple...does the story of "hansel and gretel" teach that old people eat kids? the whole story starts luke 19:11. if you have a bible then you can look it up yourself. (kind'a long to type) if not you can go to a online bible to do it. its called "the parable of the 10 servants"
xeanth 1 week ago
@xeanth
I might look up for "hansel and gretel" teaching later, but about Luke 19:11, if parable, who is that person in the verse who says: "But those my enemies..."? Who does the person saying this parable have in mind (story about who?)? What was the point of saying this parable?
So, you don't have to type much. Just answer these three questions very briefly.
Thank you.
SuperDedara 1 week ago
@SuperDedara the parable tells of a king who was leaving his home to travel, and before going entrusted his property to his servants. one of his servants wasted money. when the king gets back and finds out he takes the remaining money from him and gives it to another and said "those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."
xeanth 1 week ago
@xeanth
Thank you.
So, who does a king represent since the story is parable?
Why does king take money from the servant, who had least money and was the least successful in the mission that king had given to all of his servants, and gives that money to the servant who had the most money and was the most successful amongst the servants?
SuperDedara 1 week ago
@SuperDedara being im not christian, nor have I studied theology, I can only ASSUME that the king represents god (the father). everything else I must take as written.perhaps the money was given to the most successful as a reward..I dont know. but clearly Jesus isnt telling his followers to kill anyone.
xeanth 1 week ago
@xeanth
Yeah, this leads to Holy Trinity mystery now (one of them certainly was represented through the character of a king).
SuperDedara 1 week ago
The Quaran is a collection of notes or writtings written by one of Muhammad's wives because he was illiterate.These writings were on leaves, on bones, and other peculiar items. Muhammad was married to a jewish woman.He was not a black man, as proclaimed by Muslims, he was fair skinned. In addition, Muslims use messages from their Imams called Hadiths.These too are not God inspired. Compared to the Bible,the Quaran is historically and fundamentally a farce. The Quaran is a doctrine of devils.
cmoors419 1 week ago
u can kill people*
whoster96 1 week ago
HAHAHAHA
This is soo funny...
Not cause he laughs..
No, cause of the stupid guy that thinks that that has something too do with Jesus teachings...
If u read luke:19 THE WHOLE text, then u will understand the funny part
Jesus tells a story that has another point, not that u will can people...
XD hillarius
whoster96 1 week ago 2
@whoster96
another point which is...?
SuperDedara 1 week ago
hahaha that was fuuny
kisigangsta 1 week ago
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Dragogen 1 week ago
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Dragogen 1 week ago
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL xDDDDD
KRo0oOoZ 1 week ago
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For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.’ 2 Tim. 4:3
KingdomSeeker2012 1 week ago
This was funny. This guy is not able to debate. I've read the old and new testament. And I understood why christianity is falling today. That's not a serious book. The Romans chosed why they want people to believe and today the Chruch is paying the price. Judaïsme a serious religion. Christians rejected the law of Moses and that was the boggest mistake ever.
Islam7767 1 week ago
ALWAYS go back and read the source yourself... and read in context just as the quraan.
Haasenpad 1 week ago
Christian scholar was laughing at end got embarrassed hahahaa,, best laugh is last laugh
TruthinDaTruth 1 week ago
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the priest gets owned!!!! bwahahahahahahahahahahaa....stupid religion! even their priest doesn't know where it is!!!! lol
dumbassfuckingshit 1 week ago
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dumbassfuckingshit 1 week ago
did he say "you bumbaclot" at the very end?
theabzz09 2 weeks ago
@theabzz09 lol he said you dont know the bible
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MrWaqmaz 2 weeks ago
This just shows how stuplid muslims really are, they are insane.
justanoldman1 2 weeks ago
@justanoldman1 same goes for the christian guy too then?
Finsoul145 2 weeks ago
@justanoldman1 You mean christians?
mrahman1992 1 week ago
The blacks were NOT freed by mohammad , and EVEN ABU BAKR KEPT SLAVES. Ishaq:144 "A rock was put on a slave's chest. When Abu Bakr complained, they said, 'You are the one who corrupted him, so save him from his plight.' I will do so,' said Bakr. 'I have a black slave, tougher and stronger than Bilal, who is a heathen. I will exchange him. The transaction was carried out."
KathleenMeyers63 2 weeks ago
@KathleenMeyers63 Yes Abu Bakr kept slaves, and yes Islam did not abolish slavery but slaves in Islam were more like adopted children rather than slaves. Prophet Muhammad instructed us to feed the slaves as we eat, cloth them as we cloth, educate them and treat them with kindness, forbade beating them. If the prophet and his companions didnt take them in, they would have died of poverty. Muslims are even encouraged to marry their slaves in Islam.
mrahman1992 1 week ago
@mrahman1992 hahahhahah...that is a good one...."but slaves in Islam were more like adopted children" you have got to be kidding me, you guys cannot show LOVE or COMPASSION to ANYTHING or ANYBODY world wide, never could, Mohammed was a bloodthirsty, evil, ever horny childrapist-/molester, who at 53 married a 9 yr. old girl, it has been proven in many independent studies, that the QURAN was STOLEN...from the OLD TESTAMENT, and that M. had someone write his own wishes and Ideas
KathleenMeyers63 1 week ago
@KathleenMeyers63 If Mohammed (pbuh) made some one write the glorious Quran for him, or if he was the author himself, then why is Jesus (pbuh) was mentionned no more than 25 times by name, and Mohammed (pbuh) himself was only mentionned no more than 5 times by name. Why ? did he mention 500% more times jesus than himself Why does Jesus' mother Mary have a chapter just for herself, in the Quran promoting her to be above all the woman.While Mohamed's mother doesnt have one
Dragogen 1 week ago
@Dragogen and oh I forgot (GU) meaning at your age you hardly have any knowledge of anything, because the eggshells have not yet completely fallen off from behind your ears.
KathleenMeyers63 1 week ago
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@KathleenMeyers63 To escape a difficult argument you cannot handle by making unreasonable suggestions is ridiculous. I hope you brain is old enough to understand this statement. (No Offense)
I am trying to correct you on some issues you're lacking knowledge on. So please, appreciate my effort and don't reject me based on moronic suggestions such as my age. You would be surprised to know what a youngster could teach you nowadays.
Dragogen 1 week ago
@Dragogen