Heated debate - Mormon vs Christian - Joel Osteen and mormonism - Merry Christmas

[HistoryBuffMajors]

The LDS church does belive in the King James Version and believes Jesus Christ is the son of God and all who come unto Him shall be saved. That is what a true Christan is.

[TheLightningspeed]

the girl in green is starting to make my eyes sin :(

[YusefAlTahir]

LOL he responds "an hour a week" to her ranting "you spend all day"

[dutchweeks1]

mormons AREN'T Christians, I don't know who you are sir, but you rock!

[tjcombo84]

what a bunch of bull

[AntonTheSpot]

Olsteen really hates Mormons. You think he is publicly going to admit that? Don't be naive lady.

[STARLA25ify]

And I meant to write the bible in a western view

[STARLA25ify]

Let's just get it straight: argue all that you would like, more people view the in a western point of view rather than taking it to the source. Ask a fucking Jew, since...I'm... They wrote the book, live right by morals and love and stop this nonsense. Who gives a shit if someone disagrees?!

[MultiSamism]

HAHAHAHAHAHA I heard the words 'Christian', 'Mormon' and 'truth' in the same sentence.

[Chinaculiacan]

I was watching this program when this happened? She failed terribly

[paintballFR3AK8]

Mormons are brainwashed.

[geragna]

This bitch is annoying.

[magnus56j]

I don't get why many Mormons get so offended when someone says they aren't Christian. If they get offended by that then it shows that they have some sort of lack of faith. I was a Roman Catholic twenty years and RC's get bashed all the time by protestant sectarians, but I never took them seriously because sectarians reject objective facts like the earth being billions of years old so I was never intimidated by them. Now I am an Orthodox Christian because Rome invented new teachings.

[JohnTheHutDweller]

Shawn is one of my heros. he is on the frontlines

[thermionic1234567]

@JohnTheHutDweller I agree!

[ValorHonor]

Mary got pwned!

[JohnTheHutDweller]

Shawn is a good catholic. Only catholic christianity can be called christian the rest are cults mormons, jehovah wittness, oness pentacostal

[thermionic1234567]

@JohnTheHutDweller Shawn is not a member of the cult known as Roman Catholicism.

[JohnTheHutDweller]

@thermionic1234567 you are so stupid. he is catholic. he said it on the show. Do you seriously not know the difference between catholic and the papal roman catholic church? baptists, methodists, lutherans, non-denom, Anglican, eastern orthodox, are all catholic. they all call themselves catholic. Were you born again yesterday? how ignorant can you be?

[thermionic1234567]

@JohnTheHutDweller I did not deny or impugn "small c catholicism." Did you not see that I wrote "Roman Catholicism?" I am not sure what your actual point is. Is it to show how smart you are or to cast apersions at me through your straw man argument that I did not understand theat there is the undivided church universal? All I said is that Shawn is not a follower of the Bishop of Rome. Rome has added much to the canon by making the Pope the ultimate arbiter. Vatican One killed the RC Church.

[TheJpgr1958]

But yet when I do ask for these so-called mistranslated passages, I either get no response, or, as one Mormon told me the other day to my face, not worth his time to investigate and is totally unimportant to him. Now why is that? So until Mormons can provide us with these mistranslated passages, the reasons for them being mistranslated, and the correct rendering of them, their claim is completely bogus.

[TheJpgr1958]

"The Bible clearly defines Christianity and Shawn does not emmulate or act according to that definition." What I still find so puzzling is when Mormons state that the Bible defines this or that, how do they know if the passages they cite are correctly translated? Does not the Mormon church state the Bible to be the word of God insofar as it is correctly translated? Common sense would tell us for them to cite all of these passages that are not correctly translated, and the reasons why.

[peaceliberty4all]

@TheJpgr1958 You aren't puzzled by that at all because it has been explained more than once and you yourself only believe in the Bible so far as it is translated correctly. You know darn well you don't believe in the JW's bible and you know what we mean when we make that statement so stop acting like you don't.

[TheJpgr1958]

@peaceliberty4all Well Well Well, the future incubator is here!! I thought you were done with me? "You aren't puzzled by that at all because it has been explained more than once and you yourself only believe in the Bible so far as it is translated correctly." I still have never received an intelligent response as to which verses in the Bible are not correctly translated, the reasons why there not, and the correct renderings of them. The most recent response I got from a Mormon I asked....

[TheJpgr1958]

@peaceliberty4all was that it was unimportant and a waste of time for him to respond to.Oh well, typical little wet behind the ear Mormon missionaries. So very cute aren't they pl4a. Don't you just want to hug them? As for me only believing the Bible to be the word of God insofar as it's correctly translated, ummm no. I believe the Bible to be accurate and God breathed. It's only cultic groups that state the Bible to be inaccurate so they can claim this specialness to them.

[peaceliberty4all]

@TheJpgr1958 "I believe the bible to be accurate." The JW's use the bible so you are saying you believe their bible to be accurate? So you believe all the translations of the bible to be accurate even though some translations differ greatly from one bible to the next.

I see you haven't changed. You even began your response with a derogatory remark, very christian of you.

[TheJpgr1958]

@peaceliberty4all By the way, how are the classes going for you at the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society? You know you can be a JW, for they state the same things you as a Mormon do. I know I keep stating this, but it's a fact. Take care future incubator of many spirit children.

[TheJpgr1958]

@peaceliberty4all Here's something for you to chew on pfl4a. "Difference in function dos not indicate inferiority of nature." Can you figure out what this means?

[peaceliberty4all]

The Bible clearly defines Christianity and Shawn does not emmulate or act according to that definition.

Shawn needs to understand what the true definition of a Christian is, not the 1 that he & others want it to be. LDS believe in the Christ of the NT, the Savior of the world & just becauz we interpret the bible differently AS ALL CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS DO, does not mean we're not Christian. Christ is our Savior & we believe in & strive to follow him and that is the definition of a Christian

[thermionic1234567]

@peaceliberty4all You are lying. Your missionaries have come here and told me that all churches are in heresy. And Jesus Christ himself whipped Pharisees and called them vipers. Man up!

[peaceliberty4all]

@thermionic1234567 I'm sorry what exactly are you accusing me of lying about?

[tattoodfreeek]

Awesome debate, Shawn shows her for what she really is, a deluded woman!!!

[42apostate]

SHE accuses Shawn of being unChristian? WOW! Just WOW!!

Shawn needs a "CUTTOFF BUTTON"?

[RedSun875]

@42apostate If he used the cut off button we could not see the fun. :)

[42apostate]

@RedSun875

To me it's no fun hearing guests interupt and talk-over Shawn's responses.

But, you're right. It's fun seeing them dig their own grave...

[MrBigbear6718]

this is a normal response for a mormon, I am surprised that she did not start to cry as well

[RedSun875]

@MrBigbear6718 Seldom do they cry when pointing fingers.

[awolLDSasap]

There are vast differences between Christianity and Mormonism. Every Christian church believes in the same infinite God, the fallen nature of man, unmerited grace and salvation is eternal life with God. All Mormon sects believe in the same prophet, his writings, salvation is merited by law keeping and performing ordinance, eternal life with God must be purchased with money, works and ordinance.

[graceexplosion]

That was excellent. She based everything on FEELINGS -- not the BIBLE. Now, a person might feel strongly that Jesus is a Purple Alligator who emerged out of a cave on the Island of Atlantis - and say you are EVIL and have an EVIL SPIRIT for saying they are not a Christian. They might rant and rave and yell at you and say you are not loving to tell them they are not a Christian believing in the Jesus of the Bible. But, THE FACTS OF SCRIPTURE the LIVING TRUTH of the REAL JESUS must be believed

[lmadigan1971]

This women typifies Mormons

The minute they have to defend what they believe most cant stand it because it is so illogical

You can see the damage Mormonism does to a persons reasoning

When you show them the truth sadly most of them avoid it the way a dog avoids a worm tablet

It will be good for them but they dont want to here it and will fight hard not to

[bsl103158]

I am grateful that people like Shawn have been given the courage to confront lds lies. There is so much to sort out and untangle. I think one has to have lived within the lds culture for some time before they can wrestle like this with someone still trapped in it who doesn't know the real condition they are in. I notice people who have bought lds teaching lock, stock and barrel also often seem proud of their politeness and demeanor. The sugar coating will never take away the delusions however.

[bsl103158]

Many "good people" are following totally wrong philosophies or false beliefs. There are "good people" who start dabbling with criminal activity and end up in jail because they couldn't stop dabbling until they ended up arrested. I have a loved one in that situation right now. I knew nothing of the bad activity until they were arrested. TRUTH MATTERS much more than always being perfectly milk toast and softspoken. Mr. McCraney knows how stubborn and double-standard lds can be-he was lds@35 yrs.

[Norrington516]

You are the awesome Shawn!! Some people just need tough love and those like Mary need it REALLY tough!

[tobyMacBallerina]

That was awesome!

[r8rfanizme]

Shawn is such a mean man. You don't have to believe me, just ask Mary.

[DallasTheGreat28]

GO SHAWN GO!!!!

[DallasTheGreat28]

Jesus would not show APATHY to false believers, That is what this woman is portraying. You arent showing love when you dont tell the TRUTH.

[MendedVeracity]

Shawn you rock...,stay bold for The Truth. As a convert of 2 years (what was I thinking?!) it was only sites like this and non-mormon approved research that led me to the Real Jesus, the light, the Truth and out of "the church" which I thought was just another denomination of Christianity. Boy was I ever wrong.Merry CHRISTmas to and yours......

[billymeier182]

Merry Smithmas Mormons

[eeikman]

@billymeier182 And Joesph died for our sins in the Carthage jail. :)

[beatleman69]

Obviously Joel Osteen has never studied the cults, just because a religion has Jesus in it doesn't make it true. In other words unless they profess that Jesus is God born of a virgin, sinless and saves us from ALL our sins and believes the Bible is God's Word and is the only truth. Joel Osteen can sell books and write his own sermons without the direction of the Holy Spirit and dupe people on Sunday. To me, the man is flakey and his late father John Osteen would be disapointed in ol' Joel.

[Deke101]

According to Mormon belief, God was once a man who did enough good things to become a god and so can we. We can ALL become GODS! Mormonism ROCKS! No, it's not at all what any of my boring Bible translations say, but who cares?

[5506]

More of these pls. I enjoy watching the debates. Pls pls pls, more of these.

[ronnie197632]

GO SHAWN!!!!!!



[seemlyme]

Old Testament job 1:6 “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.”

New Testament Corinthians 8:5 “For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)”

The Book of Mormon “And if ye shall believe in Christ ye will believe in these words, for they are the words of Christ, …….and they teach all men that they should do good.” 2 Nephi 33:10

[TheJpgr1958]

@seemlyme Since you quoted from the Bible, and are Mormon, I would like to ask you a question. The Mormon teaches they believe in the Bible to be the word of God, as far as it is translated correctly, meaning there are passages within the Old and New Testaments that are not correctly translated. Can you please provide us with these verses that are not correctly translated, the grammatical reasons why, and the proper translation? For example, is Cor. 8:5 which you quoted, correctly translated?

[eeikman]

@seemlyme Does Cor 8:5 refers to multiplicity of Gods? I found 4 occurences of θεοὶ in the New Testament , Acts 14:11 uses θεοὶ for pagan gods. Acts 19:26 uses θεοὶ for idols.  It follows that Cor 8:5 does not use the word θεοὶ for anything like God. Cor 8:5 says λεγόμενοι θεοὶ or "so called" gods.

[eeikman]

@seemlyme To put the word Θεοι in context. It is of Pagan origin:

Και τε Θεοι, ξεινοισιν εοικοτες αλλοδαποισι,

Παντοιοι τελεθοντες, επιϚρωφωσι ποληας,

Ανθρωπων ὑβριν τε και ευνομιην εφορωντες.

Hom. Odyss. xvii. ver. 485.

For in similitude of strangers oft,

The gods, who can with ease all shapes assume,

Repair to populous cities, where they mark

The outrageous and the righteous deeds of men.

[TheJpgr1958]

@seemlyme "Do you believe the KJV bible? Don't you? Then, you shouldn't ask these kind of questions ah? Because god is the author so pray to know the truth so simple, when you have love for god and others, you will promote love but you are, you know that. I do not have enough time for this. ok? Ah. I know the truth." Here is the response from this Mormon when I asked for the passages that are not translated correctly in the Bible. What do you all think? "The Long And Winding Road"

[seemlyme]

@TheJpgr1958 When you look at the LDS Bible passages and the correction, you will know but you need help for that so properly do it - please go to the lds online missionary site mormon.org thanks

[TheJpgr1958]

@seemlyme "Do you believe the KJV bible? Don't you? Then, you shouldn't ask these kind of questions ah? Because god is the author so pray to know the truth so simple, when you have love for god and others, you will promote love but you are, you know that. I do not have enough time for this. ok? Ah. I know the truth." This was your original answer to my question. Again, can you produce these incorrect passages from both the Old and New Testaments that are not correctly translated?

[OneFabFisher]

I just made a vid on the basic beliefs I was taught as an LDS -- Who is Jesus and who is God to an LDS...

[kyzersoze74]

lets see Orthodox believe that God became a human being and Mormons believe a human being became God then became a human being again. Whose more screwed up more? :P

[MrNoelJMIS]

@kyzersoze74 The God of the Bible is a perfect, sinless, holy Being by whom all things are created. That perfection took on the weakness of humanity to die for our sins- he was the ONLY perfect person to exist. The Mormon God was a flawed human being- a creation- who did enough good things to MERIT becoming a god...and now they say all people can do the same...that sounds like a much different story, don't you think? Mormonism is not Biblical.

[kyzersoze74]

@MrNoelJMIS so when the "perfect, sinless, holy Being" of God "took on the weakness of humanity" it remained all those things? Orthodoxy is as unbiblical as Mormonism. Nowhere in the Bible does it say what Catholics-Protestants THINK it says. What it does say is simply this...God created a unique Son through the power of the HS [Mat 1.1-18; Luke 1.30-35]. And this sinless, HUMAN is the only mediator between God and human beings [1Tim 2.5]. Period!

[Keruaran]

@kyzersoze74

You have misrepresented the birth of Christ in Matthew 1 and Luke 1 as an event where "God created a unique Son through the power of the HS". But where does the Bible ever teach that the Son was *created*? It doesn't, it teaches that the Son is God *incarnated* as a man.

Isa 9:6, Mat 1:22 (cr Isa 7:14), John 1:1-4, John 8:58, Acts 4:12 (cr Isa 43:11), Acts 20:28, Col 1:15-17, Col 2:9 1Tim 1:15-17, Rev 1:8...

And you misuse 1Tim 2:5, ignoring Act 4:12 (cr Isa 43:11).

[kyzersoze74]

@Keruaran I suggest you study the Koine Greek words of genesis [Mat 1.1, 18] and gennao [Luke 1.35]. If that doesn't tell you something nothing will/

[Keruaran]

@kyzersoze74

And I suggest you actually read scripture properly instead of deliberately cherry picking and misrepresenting verses while you blatantly ignore the rest of scripture. There are more than ample examples (some of which I gave you references for) illustrating clearly what scripture teaches concerning Jesus Christ.

[kyzersoze74]

@Keruaran cherrypicking? you mean like all those same old boring trini verses you posted earlier? :P

[Keruaran]

@kyzersoze74

Obviously you didn't read them. Go back to the playground with the other kiddies.

[kyzersoze74]

@Keruaran i like you too :P

[eeikman]

@kyzersoze74 Judaism was, is, and always will be Monotheistic. Christ came to fulfill the Law, not to abolish it (Matthew 5:17), if true then it follows that the Old Testament and the Judaic Monotheistic cosmology in which the narrative took place is true.

[kyzersoze74]

@eeikman I suggest you look up the difference between unitarian Monotheism and trinitarian Monotheism and you will see that the Christianity which prevails nowadays is not based on the unitarian Jewish-Christian creed of Jesus [Deu 6.4; Mar 12.29].

[MrNoelJMIS]

@kyzersoze74 Interesting...how do YOU interpret sayings like "I and my Father are One"(John 10:30), all of the "I AM" connections in the NT, Jesus' resurrection and the entire first chapter of John outlining his existence with the Father from eternity as co-creator (never says Jesus was created) and then coming in the flesh to dwell with men? What is it that you believe, if not the true Gospel?

[kyzersoze74]

@MrNoelJMIS in the VERY SAME WAY the Son is one with the Father so are his followers [John 17.21-22]. Not an ontological oneness but one of UNITY of purpose. And everytime Jesus says "I am [he]" [ego eimi] is simply pointing to WHO HE IS, the Messiah. See the first use of the "I am" statement in John 4.26. John 1 talks about how "the word", and not some preexistent Son "became flesh" [John 1.14]. In other words, Jesus is what the word BECAME and not vice-versa.

[graceexplosion]

@kyzersoze74 We are not one with the Father "the very same way" Jesus is one with the Father. Jesus is GOD. There is no way to the Father except through JESUS. There is ONE MEDIATOR between GOD AND MAN -- Jesus Christ. Being born-again -- I am IN CHRIST. JESUS and the FATHER are one at the level of GODHOOD. I am one with the Father THROUGH Jesus Christ and IN Jesus Christ. Jesus is my HEAD and HUSBAND. The HEAD of Jesus is THE FATHER. The HEADSHIP of Jesus Christ REMAINS.

[graceexplosion]

NO MAN is the EQUAL of Jesus Christ in headship. JESUS is the HEAD of the Church. It is an error to try to make any of us as created beings the equal of Jesus Christ as God. 1 Corinthians 11:3

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

[kyzersoze74]

@graceexplosion "...protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one...that all of them may be one, Father, JUST AS you are in me and I am in you...I have given them THE GLORY THAT YOU GAVE ME, that they may be one AS WE ARE ONE." [John 17.11; 20-22]. NOTE: the one mediator is a human being and not some 'God/human being'.

[awolLDSasap]

@kyzersoze74 The Glory will never turn a mortal into a God, "there are no other Gods". The Word created all things, visible and invisable. The Word took on a body of flesh as a servant and was called Emmanuel, "God with us".

[graceexplosion]

@kyzersoze74 YOU NEED TO PREPARE TO MEET THE WORD OF GOD -- THE KING OF KINGS -- THE LORD OF LORDS!! THE SWORD IS DRAWN!! You need to prepare to die and meet your Maker who you have denied and Who will DENY YOU to God the Father, Jesus Christ (John 1; Revelation 19).

[kyzersoze74]

@graceexplosion God the Father? I thought Jesus was God? :P

[graceexplosion]

@kyzersoze74 Trinity. God in 3 Persons blessed Trinity. You are an apostate speaking by the spirit of the devil -- antichrist. Now, be quiet. You say Jesus is just a man. Jesus is God come in the flesh. You deny JESUS COME in the flesh and say He is a mere mortal man of flesh. He is GOD COME in the flesh. HE WAS BORN OF A VIRGIN -- SHE DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH GOD -- YOU PERVERTED DEFILER OF ALL THAT IS HOLY.

[kyzersoze74]

@graceexplosion I like you too.

[graceexplosion]

@kyzersoze74 Psalm 5:5

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Matthew 7: 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[graceexplosion]

@kyzersoze74 We are born-again by confessing with FAITH of the HOLY SPIRIT, "JESUS IS LORD". If you deny the LORDSHIP of Jesus Christ as God -- you're not saved and you don't have the Holy Spirit. LORD!! I am NOT the EQUAL of my LORD!!! I am IN HIM by the GRACE of God the Father - but I am not one with the Father apart from the HEADSHIP of JESUS CHRIST AS LORD. Now, when you reject the LORDSHIP and GODHOOD of JESUS CHRIST - YOU DON'T HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT and you are NOT SAVED.

[kyzersoze74]

@graceexplosion where does it say in the Bible that if "If you deny the LORDSHIP of Jesus Christ as God -- you're not saved and you don't have the Holy Spirit." I suggest you read the parable of the Sower to find out how you achieve rebirth and what it means to be saved!

[awolLDSasap]

@kyzersoze74 Looking for this?  Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that "I AM" [he], ye shall die in your sins.

[kyzersoze74]

@awolLDSasap I don't think Jesus was trying to convince them that he was YHWH, the one God of Israel. What John 8 says, IN CONTEXT, is that he was sent by THAT God, whom he calls "the Father". He then goes on to identify himself as "the Son of man" [vv.27-28], a non-Deity title to be sure, the eschatological figure of Dan 7.

[awolLDSasap]

@kyzersoze74 When you see "I am", it is referring to God. The Jews were looking for a savior. Many faux saviors preceded Jesus. The Pharisees never tried to stone them.

[kyzersoze74]

@awolLDSasap so when the blind man said "I am" in Jn 9.9 its referring to God? or anyone else for that matter? are you even taking into account what Messiah and Son of man means?

[awolLDSasap]

@kyzersoze74 Before anything was ever created there was the Word (Genesis 1:1). "The Word was God" literally means that Jehovah God was the Word. Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Jesus was not a mortal trying to become a higher God. Isaiah - Jesus is the Almighty

[kyzersoze74]

@awolLDSasap where is this Word a Person distinct from YHWH in the OT? your upbringing is shinning through here, your sherry-picking what you have been taught a creating something out of nothing. Stick to the scriptures.

[awolLDSasap]

@kyzersoze74 In the beginning, "the Word was God", who created all things visible and invisible.... Christ Jesus - Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Isa 9:6 for unto us a child is born / The mighty God.

[MrNoelJMIS]

@kyzersoze74 Christianity only matters because God died for our sins and freed us from punishment. Jesus serves no other purpose. Paul states this clearly. I really doubt that understanding the Gospel requires deep confusing etymologies. Check it out: The WORD was WITH GOD and the WORD WAS GOD. Then THE WORD BECAME FLESH. A=B, A became C, therefore B became C; God became a man. Simple (yet simultaneously profound. Your beliefs do not sound correct. What do you believe?

[kyzersoze74]

@MrNoelJMIS I'll tell you what I DON'T BELIEVE. I don't believe God died. Period! Why don;t you instead show us a single text where, 'God died for your sins' or 'the ONLY acceptable sacrifice is God dying'?

[MrNoelJMIS]

@kyzersoze74 ok. Now tell me what you DO believe...because if it's not the Gospel of the Bible then you are not worth spending time arguing- however spreading falsehoods like you are does make you accursed of God, so be careful!

[kyzersoze74]

@MrNoelJMIS Okay so there is no scripture to support your claim. I believe that Jesus is the promised Messiah of the Hebrew scriptures who was miraculously created in the womb of a young virgin some 2000 years ago [Mat 1.18-20; Luke 1.30-35]. And I believe what he preached regarding the soon-to-come Kingdom of God at his imminent return here on earth [Mar 1.14]. Period!

[MrNoelJMIS]

@kyzersoze74 Fascinating. Philippians 2:9-11

"9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." So why should I bow down to a mere man? You have to choose- either Jesus is God, or God is telling us to worship his creation. Wrong!

[kyzersoze74]

@MrNoelJMIS Jesus is the Son of God. If you vbelieve ANYTHING else you will not have life in the age to come [John 20.32].

[MrNoelJMIS]

@kyzersoze74 Oh so you DID ignore that scripture- well, no matter. The truth of God is foolishness to those who are perishing anyway. I will be leaving this discussion now, as I have cast all the pearls I can, and we can clearly not find common ground. Put simply, I choose to believe that Christ came to the earth in the form of a man (Philippians 2), knew no sin (2 Cor 5) and died in our place. He claimed to be God and God recognizes his Lordship over everything. You do not. I hope you will!

[kyzersoze74]

@MrNoelJMIS good luck with your begotten, suffering and dying God. Time will prove who was right.

[RedSun875]

@MrNoelJMIS well said

[Keruaran]

@MrNoelJMIS

He has already established a strategy of misrepresentation by the use of an incomplete and myopic distortion of scripture. He engages in his own eisegesis to suit his preferred doctrine rather than allowing the fullness scripture to speak for itself to define his doctrine. The unsurprising result of his unscriptural rejection of the deity of Christ is fourth century Arianism recycled.

[tattoodfreeek]

A typical Mormon, unable to give a direct answer.

[prchdaword]

nice job!!! I think she needed to be answered in a way that would get her attention.....she is the one who set the tone for the conversation

[talkingfortruth]

@orlovna2 I'm just saying if he's trying to get through to her he doesn't need to use idioms or raise his voice. That seems to be her hangup anyways. There is a need when dealing with cult members to show love.

[daemo28]

subtitulen el video para que la gente en latinoamerica vean el centro de la mentira mormona desde UTAH, gracias y feliz noche buena

[Darienbeagle]

Evil, Shawn! Evil! Evil! You even have horns! LOL!

Merry Christmas!

[MrUNIXman]

Go shawn, you tell her

[Erap1muzik]

glory to God ..that woman don't shut up11!

[TheJpgr1958]

Once again, this shows how different the Mormon God and Jesus are completely different from Ortodox Christianity. But when ever you try to demonstrate that, well, you can see the reaction you get from this lady caller.

[hammerogod]

WOW! ... @ 4:34 it starts to decay into Heresy ... But Mary believes it with all her heart.

I noticed that talkingfortruth commented on the nature of most Mormon 'Converts'.

I hoped someone besides me had seen that.

I wonder what percentage of LDS 'Converts' are Lapsed Catholics or people who were brought up in a Cold Church.

I suspect that the percentage is high.

The Mormons don't win Souls, they add Members.

They don't witness the saving power of Jesus, they trap weak minds.

I so pity them.

[NavajoJoe66]

That woman didn't sound very "Christ-like" to me.

[talkingfortruth]

The woman caller was totally rude and ignorant of what Christians, and even her own "church" believes. Calling in under the pretext of saying "oh don't criticize" ... she is just repeating what she hears phonies like Osteen say. Here's the Truth: we (saved believers) are to judge all matters according to 1Co. 6:1-3. We are to judge righteous judgement (Jo. 7:24), but not hypocritically (Mt. 7:1-4). We are to be angry, yet sin not (Ep. 4:26). I liked his rebuke - except the rat part :)

[orlovna2]

@talkingfortruth

there's nothing wrong with saying, "I don't give a rat's ass about..." this or that.

Unless you are weak in the faith, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[talkingfortruth]

that's the problem with taking the Mormons at face value. They re-define crucial Biblical terms such as "Salvation" "Baptism" "God the Father" "Atonement" "Heaven" "Hell" and "Justification" to the point where, on the surface, without properly defining the words it could be taken that Christians believe the same things as Mormons. However, this is a ploy to decieve the casually churched into a lie. Most of their converts were previously in church but casual..and completely lost.