For those of you, who DON'T know, Cossacks were Ukrainian rednecks. That's like saying you need to own a gun to protect yourself from Billy-Ray down in Kentucky, who's got an AK.
Yet another American making out that Hitler instituted gun control. He did the exact opposite! Gun ownership restrictions were relaxed, Hitler made it significantly easier to own a gun than it was under the Weimar Republic, he rode around in a slow-moving open-topped car and made it easier for his people to own rifles and pistols. Why do Americans believe their own propaganda rather than spending a few moments doing some simple research?
@MartinJWillett He might have made a mistake about Hitler and Gun Control, but he is absolutely right about the necessity that governments have to be responsible for their actions. And the only way the rights of citizens are guaranteed is if they have any real chance to stand for their rights. At the moment, our governments are creating more and more problems and then pass anti-terror laws (striping rights) instead of dealing with the real problems they have created themselves.
@unitasetmagus It was the entire basis of his reasoning! Take away that myth and he has nothing left. The case for private gun ownership should not rest upon myths or lies and yet this is all that is put forward, the idea that gun ownership stops tyranny and would have stopped the Nazis. The German people were ARMED by Hitler, not disarmed! Hitler didn't even begin to restrict gun ownership by Jews until after Kristallnacht and long after the declaration of a one-party state.
@MartinJWillett It's not entirely a myth though. Organized extermination did not begin until well into WWII as far as I know, while gun control was fully established by 1938. See the Nazi Weapons Act of 1938. Adolf Hitler has been quoted to link gun control with instituting tyranny over peoples also. The VC did offer a few other examples to support his claim as well. So even if he's somehow wrong about the Nazis here, I fail to see how the entire argument fall flat.
@rhettrongun You need to see the law that it replaced to see which way the tide was running. Hitler made gun ownership easier, not harder, and that was after he had established his one party state. It was the Weimar Republic which instituted tight gun control and the Nazi regime which made it more liberal (in the true sense of the word rather than the bastardized US version). The democratic parties of Germany disarmed the people before the Nazis took power.
@MartinJWillett Ah, fair point then. I was not aware of that about the Weimar Republic. His target of planned extermination wasn't singled out until the addition made to the existing laws. I think the main idea would be that it is always easier to "round up", or what have you, any unarmed populous. Historically, it still seems to me that the Jews from Nazi Germany fit that line of reasoning.
@johnnyjohnnyfurther can you name me a current country that has banned guns that doesnt have a crime problem? and dude solvenia was also a police state.
If I may take issue with anything else you say, I can agree 100% with what you say here. We are only free if we can fight to keep that freedom, sadly as there is no end to the cartoon characters lined up to take it away.
Very interesting, very reasonable and logical in most aspects. I think this guy actually moved me from a moderate to somewhere between moderate/conservative. Fundamentally he is making sound points, my only apprehension is that i feel bush and his policies may have caused the mess we are in today, and before bush we saw a time of prosperity with clinton. As a small business owner in renewable energy.... to think i lobbied for cap and trade seems silly now.
If the tea party could comprimise with the obama administration 70% tea party 30% obama, then i think we could move in the right direction. Sometimes inaction can be worse than even a bad decision. We definatly need major change, I advocate a dramatic reduction in spending, we need to take on social security however no one has the balls to because its political suicide. we need leaders that are not concerned with their careers as much as the greater good. But at the same time
I feel like we need to raise captial gains to 25% and take the extra 10% and put it towards our debt. I feel the situation of our budget deficit is so great we need action on both fronts, so our children don't have to pay for our mistakes and that we become more finacially strong as a nation.
Right on target (no pun intended)...this series of vids is EXACTLY what this country needs...a rebirth of our SELF reliance and SELF governance and ENTREPRENEURIAL savvy.
"If you listen to the mainstream media talk about it, we tea party conservatives just love us our guns, on a count of them making us feel like big men, cause they're real loud, and make things far away blow up real good. To which I say, well...duh!"
@MrJapper88 Absolutely. And what's with those horrible images they now put on cigarettes? Lung cancer and what not? They treat adults like children. You cannot do that. You cannot hold free, adult men in such contempt.
@jmsnooks Well look on the bright side. Living in a world full of gun violence is at least exciting in a scary way. You could die of boredom :) Places like Japan with stuffy antiquated value systems built round honour or 3rd world countries, places in the baltic region with little sunlight bitter cold and not much to do. Have very high suicide rates... lol
@trottheblackdog Yeah if you like to keep brutal killing machines on hand at all times it pretty much means you think you got something to worry about. Like a bad case rabbits, at the very least lol But seriously i love guns. i just know if i had one i get angry enough that i would use it!
There is a website called disaster center that has all of the statistics available. (Can't seem to post the URL) It very clearly shows the data. You make the call.
Gee, sorry quirkylwj, I wish that youtube allowed me to post a url in the comment section. However, if you go to the crime section, then find florida, the FBI crime data will come right up for you to check.
@LawnBoy Here is a link to Florida's violent crime statistics. Look at the data for yourself. Florida passed their concealed carry law in 1987. What do you see?
at 6:38 through 6:50, why don't you tell us oh wait i know why because you like to turn statistics to your favor and bend the truth you know Mark Twain once said :There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." You sir happen to spout all three types
@JUDALATION: Again, sir, you resort to name calling and emotion. Let's try some facts, shall we? Currently, under existing federal law, lawful gun owners are already required to report missing or stolen guns. Victims are already allowed to sue for true negligence. Britain, S. Africa and Australia have all banned guns. What have their violent crime statistics done? Skyrocketed! Their violent crime rate per capita is higher than the US.
If you choose to respond, please have facts ready.
@clayvansickle1 Absolute BS! I've heard these so called "facts" about EXPLODING crime rates in Australia after a crack down on gun ownership. I'm here to tell you, as an Aussie, its complete crap. In Australia you can own a gun if you need or want one. Farmers can get them to control pests. Hunters can get them to hunt. But you wont find anyone packing a sixshooter to go shopping at K-Mart.
@quirkylwj It has never been the Australian way, and god willing it never will be. Australia does not have a gun culture, we don't want one. America's gun culture is an export nobody wants.
@quirkylwj I am here to tell you that according to the Australian Institute of Criminology website, Assaults from 1996 to 2007 have steadily increased. Take from that what you will, but that is far from "complete crap". Also, according to Australia law, you must show a "good reason" to possess a firearm. Self defense is NOT an allowable reason.
@quirkylwj aussie crime is up, the UK however got it the worst. crime is up in total 300 percent since their weapons ban. in the US, DC had a strict handgun ban for years. they overturned it in DC vs heller, and the first year the handgun ban was lifted, handgun crime dropped over 40%
gun culture has nothing to do with crime. crime is its own culture, the UK knows that now, the swiss know that, we know that, eastern europe knows that, and frankly, i think you know that.
@EnslaveTheEmos You are totally missing the point, Britain has never had a culture of ordinary citizens walking around armed and deterring criminals, at least not for well over a century. The banning of legally-owned guns has had, and could be confidently predicted to have, no effect at all on underlying levels of crime of any kind one way or another and nobody in Britain has ever suggested that it has or could have. Armed drug-dealing gangs don't care what the law is and never have.
@MartinJWillett several law enforcement sources in Britain say an increase in criminal confidence after the ban was responsible for the large increase in crime rates that immediately followed the ban. almost 300% over 6 years.
the BBC itself posted several articles backing up this point. I just wrote a report on all of this, and I had no trouble finding British sources arguing the ban was responsible for the crime increase.
if you can find another reason for it, let me know.
@EnslaveTheEmos Are you serious? Do you actually believe that? That is utter madness. It doesn't make any sense at all. The number of guns in private hands was tiny, the number of guns ever used to foil crime was smaller still. No criminal in Britain ever expected to see a gun. I just don't believe you. I don't believe that anybody except an American could ever make a suggestion. I have not heard a single peep on the media, from any police officer, political party, t-shirt, graffiti - nothing.
@clayvansickle1 Crap. Violent crime in Britain has not risen significantly except gang crime which has nothing to do with private legal ownership of guns. No pistols in boxes bolted to the eaves of a private house ever deterred some drug-dealing scrote from buying a black market gun he thought he needed. There is no connection at all between legal gun ownership and violent crime, only an American gun campaigner could think there was such a connection.
@MartinJWillett Really? Seriously? Did you bother to do any research...at all before attempting to discredit my argument? I think not.
If you simply google "uk violent crime rates" the very first link that comes up shows that the UK's violence per capita is higher than South Africa! There is also a wonderful graph in the 3rd link from the UK National Archives that shows that from 1995-2003 the violent crime rates nearly doubled!
@clayvansickle1 I have the distinct advantage of actually living through the process. Correlation is not causation. You need to suggest a mechanism by which changes in the laws regarding legally owned weapons can have any affect at all on violent crime rates. What is the mechanism?
@MartinJWillett The mechanism is fear. The only thing criminals fear is force. You are correct that correlation is not necessarily causation, but the statistics from the states here in the US that have passed concealed carry laws are pretty convincing.
@clayvansickle1 In America self defence and protection from crime is seen as a legitimate use for guns. That was not the case in Britain before the gun ban. You need to go back a century or so before you find a British gun culture remotely comparable to any US state. If somebody had said their reason for wanting to have a gun licence was a desire to protect themselves and their family they would not stand the slightest chance of being granted one for the last forty years, absolute minimum.
I have news for you as well, gangs are much less likely to assault and harass innocent people if they know their victims might be armed. This is a DIRECT correlation. Bad guys fear one thing...force. They fear being caught by police, they fear being shot during a home invasion by an armed citizen. They do not fear anything in England because even the average Bobby isn't armed. They are no threat and therefore no deterrent to violent criminals.
@clayvansickle1 In Britain guns owned by drug gangs are used against other drug gangs, not against people who used to carry guns legally because nobody has been carrying around guns on the street for more than a century. Your argument would not convince anybody in this country, where not a single political party, even the lunatic right wing, has ever suggested that violent crime has been caused by banning the legal ownership of handguns. You simply have no idea of the culture over here.
@MartinJWillett Fair enough, I don't know, nor understand your culture very well. But to think that gangs of people, will only target other illicit gangs is naive and I think you know that. Statistics in this country, do show a significant decrease in violent crime in states where concealed carry is legal. That is not lunatic, that is fact.
@clayvansickle1 I have news for you, no drug-dealing scrote ever for one moment suspected that any ordinary law-abiding person in Britain would ever be armed either on the streets or in their homes. Nothing has changed in the balance of power between criminal and citizen since the handgun ban. Britons have not been allowed to go around carrying guns since before these scrotes' great grandparents were born.
@clayvansickle1 I have spent all but three months of the last forty nine years living in Britain. Have you been here a single day? You don't get to tell me what is happening in my country or what the reason for it is because you don't have a clue, you know what lessons you WANT to draw from statistics but you don't understand a damned thing about our culture. Britain is a country, not an object lesson for your debates.
@MartinJWillett Comparing the U.S. to the low guns/low crime societies of the United Kingdom or Canada is one of the most common arguments among gun control advocates. In rebuttal, gun control opponents typically reference high guns/low crime nations such as Switzerland and Israel. However, these comparisons miss the mark. The futility of pairwise comparisons between nations’ crime rates relative to their gun ownership becomes apparent once one realizes that there are countries with every
permutation: the US (high guns/high crime); Switzerland and Israel (high guns/low crime); Japan (low guns/low crime); and Mexico (low guns/high crime). Any two countries can be compared or contrasted to make any point desired.
@MartinJWillett No offense meant in using the statistics available from the Home Office and National Archives to defend my reasoning. You are correct, I haven't had the opportunity to visit, although it is number one on my list of countries to visit when I tour Europe. England is a great country and a great ally of the US. England is also the homeland of two of the people in my life that I am closest to.
I will say that just because I don't live there, doesn't mean that I can't make observations about a place.
It is sometimes difficult to accept the hard truth about a place or person you are close to. That seems to be the case here. I am not, in any way, saying that England is a horrible place. I am simply quoting facts that are readily available to anyone via the Home Office website.
@clayvansickle1 No. You are wrong. There is nobody in Britain making any link between the ban on guns and crime because nobody here is a gun-rights single issue obsessive without a brain. You have no idea about the gun ownership culture before the ban, how few people owned guns, how few people were known to own guns, how brandishing a gun at a criminal would get a person in deep trouble and their neighbours thinking he was a sad git for wanting a gun in the first place.
@clayvansickle1 Well if that is the case I suggest you stop using my country as a weapon in an American debate. There is no such debate here. You will look in vain to find any British political party, police chief, media personality, newspaper, pressure group, criminal or even bitter old man in a pub saying that we've all gone to hell in a handcart since guns were banned or the people need to carry guns. And don't think I am a bed-wetting socialist, I support private gun ownership.
follow the laws. So your solution of more laws will not in fact stop ANY violent crimes in America. It will increase them because the bad guys will know that their victims are unarmed and can't defend themselves. Look at the violent crime statistics in Florida since passing it's concealed carry law. The rate of violent crime has gone steadily...DOWN. Criminials don't follow the laws, and they respect only one thing...force.
"An armed society, is a polite society". Robert Heinlein.
@clayvansickle1 How stupid can you possibly be? All guns are registered to a person! Therefore if a gun is used in a crime, it can be traced back to the origional owner, then that owner will be asked why they did not report the gun stolen or why they did not do a background check. The victims family would also be able to sue gun owners that showed neglegence. Will this remove guns from all criminals? NOOO! But it will stop most criminals from getting guns! Seatbelts are not 100%
@JUDALATION: You say in your own statement that "IN FACT every day HUNDREDS OF EX CONS COMMIT CRIMES WITH GUNS BOUGHT ILLEGALLY! " In a further sentence you then say: "If you simply change the law to make background checks mandatory, And prevent people with restraining orders from buying them, YOU CAN STOP 75% OF VIOLENT CRIMES IN AMERICA!"
Here is a reality check that you seem to admit yourself. The bad guys are not buying guns legally. The only people that gun laws affect are those who
Dear leftists: before you make yet another argument against the right to bear arms, please present one fact that you base your opinion on. While you try to come up with one, remember: we could eliminate ALL crime in America by completing taking away all of your rights and enslaving you and I both. Then, just to make sure we don't think about doing something "subversive," we could have the gov't keep a gun pointed at our heads at all times. How's that for "security?"
@HomelessOnline Please name ONE BILL that was EVER voted on to "Make guns illegal" The whole noction is completly Assanine that only a stupid redneck conservative would believe that! As to your second STUPID question, Yes! Its illegal for a felon to buy a gun... Only problem is a private seller does not have to do a background check, As long as the felon does not SAY he would fail one he can legally buy as many guns from Private dealers. SO THERE IS NOTHING STOPPING MURDERS FROM
Cont.... BUYING AS MANY AK47s as possible, IN FACT every day HUNDREDS OF EX CONS COMMIT CRIMES WITH GUNS BOUGHT ILLEGALLY! If you simply change the law to make background checks mandatory, And prevent people with restraining orders from buying them, YOU CAN STOP 75% OF VIOLENT CRIMES IN AMERICA! You want to protect your Home thats FINE! but why the hell do you want to get into a gunfight with CRIMINALS IN THE FIRST PLACE? THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE EASY ACCESS TO GUNS IDIOT!
@JUDALATION Question for you, HOW would you make background checks mandatory for private sellers. Also for your info, MOST private sellers REQUIRE that when you meet with them you have a Concealed Pistol License on you OR an arrangement is made to sell through a person with a Federal Firearms License. Just so you know FFL's yeah they do mandatory background checks on all sales private or otherwise. At least where I am it is.
@JUDALATION - Assault weapons bill--pointless but ratified. Don't obfuscate, bigot. I'm no redneck, but every one I've met was open-minded and accepting, unlike yourself. Either way, I see where this is going: "why do u need assault weapons?" Then "why do u need a hunting rifle, since you can get meat from the store?" Then: "Why do u need a 10-round magazine?" Then "why do u need a gun?" NEED was never an issue. I see your problem: you think you're smarter than the founding fathers.
More examples: Banned "saturday night specials." Banned .50 rifles. Banned SKSs & AKs. Banned bayonets, thumbholes, removable magazines. Banned M1's from Korea. Banned pistols not drop-tested. Banned magazines. Banned bullets. Banned tommy guns. Banned suppressors. Intro "licensing": pistol purchase permits, concealed carry permits, 1 pistol per month laws. I won't argue "need" with a leftist. You should do some homework, ignorance is not your finest quality, but you wear it proudly.
@HomelessOnline You are an idiot! You come up with a million slippery slope fallicies and ad hominem attacks, But are you honestly saying that people should buy guns without background checks? If so you are an idiot. Once again, let me say this for the last time! LIBERALS DONT WANT TO BAN GUNS... THEY JUST WANT TO PREVENT VIOLENT CRIMINALS FROM BUYING THEM! And under the law, Private dealers can sell it as long as they dont tell them they are not felons. THATS HOW MOST GUNS GET 2
Them... as denoted BY A VOLUMINOUS AMOUNT OF STUDIES! Criminals dont stel guns, they also dont make them at home... the number one way criminals get guns IS BUYING THEM FROM PRIVATE DEALERS... You can bitch all day but this is a stupid loophole that cause guns to be easier for felons to own than legal gun owners. Go to HELL you ignorant tool! Im done educating retards!
@JUDALATION Criminals buy guns Illegally, if you are a felon owning a gun is illegal, attempting to buy one is illegal, even if it is from a private citizen. The very attempt is a crime punishable by 25 years. There is no loophole, it is a myth created by the Brady institute to distract from their agenda to remove all guns from legal owners.
@JUDALATION - "You idiot" is no argument at all. If you think leftists (they're not "liberals" because they rail against others rights--see how that works?) don't want to ban guns, good for you. I myself pay closer attention. Right now, somewhere in my neighborhood, a felon is passing another felon a gun. Exactly which law do you think would stop them from doing that? And how do you propose we disarm them all? Stick to video games, Junior, real men keep--and carry--guns.
@HomelessOnline There is NOBODY trying to ban Guns in America... That would be like banning christianity in Rome! The constitution and many judges prevent the state from denying guns to any law abiding citizen! EVERY STATE ALLOWS GUN OWNERSHIP! Stop trying to change the subject! This is about criminals buying guns without background checks! Only a CRAZY PERSON THINKS ITS OK for a criminal to buy guns without a background check! HELLOOOO IS THERE ANYTHING IN BETWEEN YOUR EARS?
@JUDALATION - The UN isn't trying to ban guns in America? What about Michael Bloomberg and his group of mayors? You're uninformed. Ever try to get a pistol in D.C.? Read "Emily Got Her Gun" from the Washington Times, published last weekend. Then read "A World Without Guns." Besides, in California, all gun sales must go through dealers. No private-to-private sales are allowed. Think that's reduced crime? Of course you don't. Save your insults, you're showing your hand of ignorance.
@HomelessOnline I LIVE IN BROOKLYN NYC... AND I HAVE A LEGAL GUN PERMIT! NOBODY CAN BAN THE SECOND AMMENDMENT! THATS LIKE BRINGING BACK SLAVERY! ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THIS STUPIUD? The second amendment is protected under the constitution! Nobody can change it1 And the EU is in Europe! They have no say in America! Bloomberg wants stricter gun laws, Not banning guns! He wants to prevent cons from getting guns, many of the crime commited in NYC is from gangstas from the FAILED South!
@JUDALATION - NYC, huh? That explains your disdain for others. I take it you won't be reading the articles I pointed you to. The UN is NYC, read carefully before popping off. No law will prevent cons from getting guns. Try spelling "stupid" correctly if you're going to sling it around. I'm guessing anybody who disagrees with you--or in this case, schools you--is stupid, in your opinion. Whatever you do, keep ignoring facts, as they will poke numerous holes in your theories. Good day.
@JUDALATION Please stop talking. You make yourself look like a moron every time you post, and you do the rest of us sane, educated, mature Americans no favors.
Unless your whole intent is to troll by spouting off in favor of 2A as a straw-man to make gun rights supporters look stupid and therefore attempt to build some favor for an otherwise hidden anti-gun agenda... in which case you're still just making yourself look stupid.
While in training as a security guard, my police weapons trainer shared his views FOR gun control. In the many years of his police-work he claimed he had never reported to the scene of a domestic shooting which involved a burglar, or rapist, etc. His view was that ALL hand guns should be illegal because of the inherent danger to the public. He apparently was unaware of the primary reason for an armed populace. An aspiring ruling political class.
@THEORIGINALEXSCAPER - As many a police chief has said to the American public, "we don't like not knowing who's armed." I maintain that is EXACTLY why our founding fathers demanded the Second Amendment be included. (They forget the very document they've sworn to uphold and protect, and it is truly sickening.) I don't need their protection. In fact, they've never protected me a single time, it was always me having to protect myself. Sad truth, but all truth.
@HitmarkJ - And they rolled over and turned in their guns when ordered to do so. For your sake, you better hope good Americans don't do the same. Unfortunately, I know many people in California that turned in their guns when ordered to do so. (SKS, look it up.)
@coolkent7777777 Grow a brain. The WE is from the preamble of the US Constitution. "We The People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union..." It means ALL of us. Well, except you.
@coolkent7777777 You miss the bulls-eye with that one. The point is when the government figure thinks to IMPOSE laws or judgements against you or the people, that govt figure always has in the back of his (or her) mind "They all still have guns, dont they?" It is not the threat against govt figures, but the threat of govt figures towards the people that is the potential problem. Which is why we are GUARANTEED the right to keep and bear arms.
If you think that people are just going to say, "oh my, I would never own a gun to protect my family from murderous thugs because, I would be contributing to the massive crime wave", you're sadly mistaken. And on a very real note, if you think YOU are exempt from a ruthless gang member raping your women and shooting you in the face in your own living room, think again and start reading the headlines. WAKE UP PEOPLE
I personally don't and would never own a gun because Uncle Obama and Aunt Clinton (or is it Aunt Obama and Uncle Clinton?) would say that is bad, and the last thing I want to do is upset a president who has divine powers greater than the constitution itself, but my friends who HAVE bought guns underwent extensive background checks. It is not the law abiding citizens fault that thugs are running the streets with guns. This is the world we were born into, it has been this way for centuries.
Wow....well not all democrats want to make guns completely illegal, but alot of them do. Once again, a democrat thinking they have all the answers, kinda like Bernanke's ingenious idea for solving the debt crisis, they think taking guns away from law abiding citizens will stop gun violence. Well maybe 30 years down the line, but in the meantime, law abiding citizens will be like lambs in a slaughter. And in response to the whole background check convo, obviously you have never bought a gun
Go ahead, ban all guns. I'll machine my own crude firearm. And ammo. This country has way too many good machinists, and chemists, to make such a ban unworkable.
TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE BULLSHIT! DEMOCRATS IN AMERICA DONT WANT TO MAKE GUNS ILLEGAL! THEY WANT BACKGROUND CHECKS SO CRIMINALS DONT HAVE GUNS! OVER 500,000,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED BY ILLEGAL GUNS SINCE JFK AND MLK WERE KILLED. WHY DOES THE NRA NOT WANT BACKGROUND CHECKS? AND OVER 1 MILLION GUN SUICIDES BECAUSE MENTALY UNSTABLE PEOPLE ARE BUYING GUNS. THIS SLIPPERY SLOPES FALLICY IS A JOKE! WHY CANT THE USA DO BACKGROUND CHECKS? ITS EASIER FOR FELONS TO GET A GUN THAN A FUCKIN JOB!
@JUDALATION Five hundred million people have been killed by illegal guns? Really, I doubt it. I live in a country where the Gov't virtually outlawed guns under pressure from the socialists and now only the outlaws have guns. The citizens are totally at the mercy of the outlaws because regular folks no longer have the capacity to defend themselves on an equal footing.
NEWSFLASH: Felons don't apply for gun licenses and background checks, they just get a gun. Why are socialists so naive?
@ClownFight Sigh... under the law private owners dont have to do background checks... and over 40 percent of guns bught in the USA are PRIVATE SALE... All a gang member has to do is NOT say he could not pass a background check (yes... its true) and you can sell him a gun without any ID or names. This is why felons have an easier time getting guns than getting a job. My Oldest brother was months away from becoming a doctor when he was shot and killed!
@JUDALATION Under the law? I had an extensive background check done when I purchased my Glock 17 9mm with high capacity magazine. Criminals get a ot of weapons from theft and other crimes. A bro of mine left a nice SIG in his truck and it was stolen along with his stereo and iphone - I ripped him one. Your post is in error. Sorry about your brother.
@JUDALATION Your reaction to your loss is understandable but misguided. Your brother was killed by a man, not a gun. Many countries have much higher personal gun ownership than yours, but very few have as many men who shoot people with them. The problem is your sick society, not the guns in it. I'd wager that a gun-free Detroit would still be the Number 2 murder capital of the free world right behind Honduras. I think that in the Wild o'l USA the good people actiually NEED guns to stay alive!
@JUDALATION Why doesn't the NRA want background checks? That's odd, because as a life long member of the NRA, I seem to remember the NRA endorsing the Federal background check system when the bill was introduced back in the 80's. Why can't the USA do background checks? WE DO!!! MORON!!! Oh and btw, yes, most Democrats do in fact want to make guns illegal.
@eyeh8u1 Sigh... under the law private owners dont have to do background checks... and over 40 percent of guns bught in the USA are PRIVATE SALE... All a gang member has to do is NOT say he could not pass a background check (yes... its true) and you can sell him a gun without any ID or names. This is why felons have an easier time getting guns than getting a job. My Oldest brother was months away from becoming a doctor when he was shot and killed!
@JUDALATION Uh, this is wrong on so many levels. BUT SINCE YOU DID IT IN ALL CAPS IT MUST BE WISE AND TRUE! NRA member here - most of us support background checks and some of us support waiting periods. Can't speak for whole group. SOME Democrats do want extensive gun control and a comlete ban - DC did ban them (and lost, whew!) 500000000 - is that world wide? 1 million gun suicides? Source? But hey, I forgot, you are WISE B/C OF CAPS!
@dwm1812 I am not wrong on any level. If almost every employer does a background check before hiring a person, then a private gun owner can do one before selling a gun to make sure that the buyer does not have a criminal past, or even worse, a restraining order. Unfortunatly its legal for a dangerous person to buy guns from a private dealer, which is how gangs and criminals get guns so easily.
@JUDALATION Ok, not quite sure what you are talking about. Background checks are done for buying guns. Do you mean if I buy a handgun then sell it to another private citizen? No, gangs and crimnals do not get guns from private citzens unless they are stolen or bought legally. How do we knwo someone is dangerous? A dangerous person might not have done anything to pop up on a background check.
@JUDALATION - How do you define "dangerous person?" I own guns, I'm willing to use them in my own defense, therefore I'm a "dangerous person." Fortunately, it's illegal for a convicted felon to buy a gun from anybody anywhere, or to even borrow one. How would you propose to keep guns away from felons--that should be your question. My answer is I don't have the answer because felons break any and all laws that stand in their way. My only recourse is to be armed.
Taking away the guns would stop... *a lot* of the gun violence. Not all of it. There is gun violence in the UK and they took away the guns decades ago. It would not stop the violence. If someone wants your wallet, they are going to try to take it, be it using a gun, knife, baseball bat... all of which are regulated in the UK (cricket bats) and they STILL have violent crime. Some of the countries that have been heavily regulating firearms (i.e. the UK) have been fudging their violent crime #s.
But worse here, criminals use guns instead of giant ceramic penises. The thing is, BasilFawlty4444, I totally agree with your philosophy that taking guns away from EVERYONE would, well, stop the gun violence. That would be just wonderful. However, in reality, it's just not going to happen, at least not in our lifetimes. That scenario leaves us to fend for ourselves and our families. I know I would NEVER use a gun for criminal activities, but I'd be scared to death if I was left defenseless here
And I don't go around "packing heat", I stay out of high crime areas. Someone was shot dead in front of a club 4 miles from my house just 12 hours ago (gang related). It's literally a concrete jungle that nobody is safe in, armed or unarmed. My house, however, is my kingdom, and I am the one who controls what happens or doesn't happen within these 4 walls. I feel MUCH safer knowing that I can protect myself. Unlike that poor old man on "A Clockwork Orange" who watched his wife get bludgeoned.
Well deepsouthpatriot to the rescue. I can clear this debate up with a real life example. If you want to know what the United States would be like if law abiding citizens were forced to relinquish their firearms, take a look at our neighbors to the south. Mexico. My wife is from there. In Mexico, the narcos don't hesitate to walk into a peaceful family's home and demand they give them half of their earnings, or their entire family will be shot dead right in front of them. That wouldn't work here
Switzerland had 34 crimes involving firearms in 2006, that's not a per-capita figure that's an actual figure. In Switzerland you are required by law to have an assault rifle in your home and to have had military training with it annually. There are more crimes of that nature per day in cities that have made firearms illegal. Anyone who thinks gun control will solve anything is an idiot.
@d3ltadrive And let's not forget, those aren't Nancy Pelosi type "Assault Weapons" with black paint and a bayonet lug, (and "that thing that goes up,) no, those are real weapons, with the fun switch and everything. Maybe I should move to Switzerland.
@d3ltadrive Japan also all but bans guns, and they have one of the lowest murder rates of any documented nation, so I'm not inclined to believe these are related.
I think the real problem in America is our culture.
Owning a gun doesn't promote violence. Our culture promotes a cycle of poverty through lax regulations on corporate greed and minimal education opportunity for those born poor, and that in turn promotes gun violence.
@d3ltadrive In Switzerland, all citizens are required to train at the age of 18 in the military, and remain part of the military militia for life. This is not the case in America. The idea that you can compare Switzerland and America with regards to citizen gun ownership is disingenuous.
@quirkylwj Apart from that, your gun crime figure is wrong. But facts and figures seem to matter little in this argument. The gun debate is all but over in America. You guys won. Continued gun crime and the occasional human massacre is the price we must all pay for your narcissism.
@d3ltadrive There ARE no major cities in Switzerland... Its a Ural area perfect for Gun ownership. If you think that would work in a major city you are a full blown idiot who has never lived in a major city.
zurich, geneva, basel, bern. are you fucking kidding me, the country has plenty of major cities. i didnt think human beings were capable of being this ignorant.
the zurich metro area alone is a densely populated 2 million people. that is the size of orlando or tampa. bigger than las vegas. such ignorance.
@EnslaveTheEmos They do, by far. If Switzerland had even half the population of the United States they would make the United States and China COMBINED look like a bunch of wussies.
@acoow Well that's why we should put guns in the hands of law abiding citizens, I know if I were a criminal I would be afraid of robbing houses if I knew the homeowner may have a rifle at their bedside.
Funny how british start criticizing our rights to bear arms....when a british movie, a famous one at that, shows exactly the reason we have those rights....SO WE DON'T BE BLUDGEONED BY A GIANT CERAMIC PENIS! Bet that scene woulda went totally different had that old man had a Glock tucked under his bed....
So, let me just ask all you genius liberals one question. Since I am an objective conservative American and I look at both sides of EVERY coin. What do you think would be the result if all guns were confiscated by the Gov't? Meaning, all law abiding citizens turn in their guns? You think the criminals will turn them in also? I personally think that would be the icing on the cake for the criminal enterprise. Then they can victimize us without even remotely worrying about self defense.
Believe me, I may be offending alot of my fellow conservatives here, but if you ask me, the world would probably be a much better place if guns were never even invented. The day they were invented, they became a necessity. Great Britain may ban gun ownership, but, just as you pointed out, few criminals have them. Not the case here. Until we can get the guns out of the criminals hands it makes no sense to take them from law abiding citizens. Unless you want to see them dead
Also, that's a great point. Considering the British were the ones who BROUGHT the guns to the western world to begin with, I'd like to know how they fixed this vicious cycle in their country. Furthermore, I'm not even sure that I agree with the idea of taking guns away EVEN IF criminals are running around with only sticks, knives and their bare fists. I'm 5'7 150 lbs and if someone 6'4 275 lbs broke into my house and wanted to rape my wife, I'd be defenseless without a gun.
OK, I have just lost all respect for this guy. What an incredibly flawed argument.
Seriously? Nazi Germany? The Germans supported their government in the removal of "undesirables" all the way! Besides, can you imagine pitting a Jewish family man against a battle-hardened SS soldier?
"Few, if any, twentieth-century political leaders have enjoyed greater popularity among their own people than Hitler in the decade or so following his assumption of power."
@BasilFawlty4444 I am sure that the 6 million jews, and 9 million or so of gypsies, homosexuals and other "undesirables" did not supported the Nazi goverment in that matter. Had this people been armed, Hitler and his SS would at least, have had a moment of doubt before breaking into their houses to abduct them and their families. The genocide may still have occured, but at least they would have had a chance to defend themselves and their loved ones.
@BasilFawlty4444 that''s true. also the situation in nazi germany was that almost half of the population wanted hitler. in such a senario i agree that the jews could never have won. but still the results say that an armed people is safer.
When Arizona instituted the Concealed Carry permit the liberals claimed that Arizona's streets would run red with the blood of innocent murder victims. Well, that didn't happen. In fact, violent crime decreased.
Last year Arizona instituted Constitutional Carry. This means that any citizen of the United States, who is not a convicted Felon, can carry concealed without a permit. The Communists claimed the streets would run red with blood, but guess what? Crime rates continue to drop.
whew.....very depressing statistics there. Doesn't say much about the nature of man. Obama's obvious contempt for anyone who clings to their guns and their bibles pretty much says it all about the dangerous road this nation traveling down. I'll be standing shoulder to shoulder with Mr. Whittle, Rick Santorum and every other American whose eyes are wide open to the train wreck headed our way.
Sorry Bill, I can't entirely agree with you on this one. Gun Violence is attributed to poor gun control = crazys arming theselves at gun shows then killing dozens. It's becoming more and more prevelant vs. protection from the next evil empire. Not a ban entirey, but enforcement of who can buy and possess guns. Criminals will always be able to get guns but we shouldn't have gun show-mart open to the mentally ill. We're all for the 2nd amendment but it didn't account for today's atrocities.
@smootheggchowfun Go and look up my countries Australia's and UKs Home office.gov figures after we had massive gun control in 1996, every year after the ban gun violence went up along with crime skyrocketed, Home invasions tripled, rapes doubled in some states. We now along with the UK have way over doubled gun violence nearly tripled actually and there's simple reasoning for it, Criminals don't hand in guns, only law abiding citizens do, once lawful citizens unarmed, criminal rise, we proved it
@BasilFawlty4444 Look I've seen your trolling here about how less Jews would have died if they just got on the trains without a fuss instead of fighting back (what a fuckwit you are) You forgot to mention this little collection of colony's that just happened to be armed that fought off the strongest military power in the world, it was called AMERICA plus an even better example VIETNAM both countries out gunned with basic arms that fought off a super power, If like being a pussy go right ahead
I'm not trolling, I'm expressing my opinion. I do not believe that a civilised society can justify gun ownership.
The Jews in the Second World War, armed or not, would have been flattened by the Nazis. As I said, look at what happened at the Warsaw Ghetto uprising - 17 Germans dead, 13,000 Jews killed. Whittle has made an irrelevant point.
You also make a good point about revolutions, but a government can arm it's people if need be.
@BasilFawlty4444 "The Jews in the Second World War, armed or not, would have been flattened by the Nazis. As I said, look at what happened at the Warsaw Ghetto uprising - 17 Germans dead, 13,000 Jews killed. Whittle has made an irrelevant point."
Your point is irrelevant because what were there options die like sheep or at least kill 17 Germans, Are you a NAZI is that why you morn the 17 NAZI's who died? Those JEWS were fucking dead no matter what, so what the fuck is you point? There Heroes
@ANTICARBONTAX Yes, what the Jews did was brave. Don't call me a Nazi, arse hole.
But there are a number of points to make here - firstly, the Jews did manage to arm themselves in a time of war, despite a ban on firearms.
Secondly, the ineffectiveness of armed civilians against a well-trained enemy demonstrates quite clearly that an armed population won't save your country in an invasion.
I personally blame the Russians for not sending help to the Jews.
@BasilFawlty4444 Look up Sweden's figures then, A country with basically no gun control and barely no gun crime. You can buy basically any machine gun you want there. You new point have also become Null/Void with FACTS.
ARGUMENT FLAW: CHERRY PICKS DATA, STATES LESS JEWS WOULD HAVE DIED IF UNARMED "If anything, more people would have died. The Nazis had a habit of reprisals for Germans killed by resistance fighters", GUN CONTROL=LESS GUN VIOLENCE EVEN THOUGH STATS SAY THE OPPOSITE. IDIOT
@ANTICARBONTAX Britain is much more like America than Sweden.
And besides, it is the American system you are trying - and failing - to defend. 67.52% of US murders are from firearms.
13,000 Jews were killed on the spot at Warsaw. Is it not concieveable that some of them may have either escaped or survived the death camps? But that's not the point; I would still have fought the Nazis. The point is that Whittle is wrong.
@BasilFawlty4444 "Britain is much more like America than Sweden.
And besides, it is the American system you are trying - and failing - to defend. 67.52% of US murders are from firearms." haha typical can't handle the facts so changes the topic, Gun Control didn't work in UK or Australia and Sweden has no Gun Control at all with basically no gun crime, but your right, let's forget about those inconvenient FACTS and ban guns In USA even though it hasn't worked anywhere else and increased crime
@ANTICARBONTAX Clearly gun control has worked. Guns have been regulated in the UK since 1903. The 1996 Act only affected 1 in 960 people. That's barely proof that gun control has caused the rise in gun crime.
How do you know that murders in the UK wouldn't have increased even more if guns hadn't been banned?
Considering that gun crime is now in freefall, wouldn't you say that it has worked, or at the very least it is beginning to work?
@BasilFawlty4444 "13,000 Jews were killed on the spot at Warsaw. Is it not concieveable that some of them may have either escaped or survived the death camps?"
6 MILLION DEAD so NO it's NOT conceivable at all, 13,000 is probably half a day's work in a camp.
"I would still have fought the Nazis" pfft as if fag you would have bowed down and said to them while being pushed in the oven, "BUT WHY I DIDN'T FIGHT BACK *FLAMES*"
@BasilFawlty4444 Whittle being wrong or right is fucking pointless, with 6 MILLION well armed Jews it would have been a huge fucking problem for NAZI's, yeah they probably wouldn't have won but who knows, your point of oh no disarm them because maybe they will live through the death camps or experiment hospitals is disgusting and I just can't talk to anymore, you cherry pick data, Lie and say twisted garbage this is over, you need help seriously, I'm happy to debate but I can't tolerate filth
When the Nazis came to power, the Jewish population of Germany was a mere 505,000 - 0.75% of the population. NOT 6 MILLION. SO YOUR POINT IS INVALID.
Most of those killed in the Holocaust came from Russia and Poland. The Germans had to go through the fucking Polish and Soviet armies to get them! The Einzatzgruppen were specifically designed to deal with a troublesome populace!
Gun ownership would have done nothing to stop the Holocaust, that's just a fact.
@BasilFawlty4444 Gun ownership would have done nothing to stop the Holocaust, that's just a fact.
Not true if the 6 million Jews in all counties were armed, Men Women and Children were armed there would have been no camps because they would have died fighting like the 40 to 50 million Russians did who killed thousands of Germans, mostly as snipers. So your point of just lay down and burn in an oven is disgusting. I'v seen Docos of Russian civilian towns who held back hundreds of Germans.
@ANTICARBONTAX Oh please, the SA alone was 3 million strong in 1934. There was never any chance of isolated communities repelling the Germans.
Of course I would want the Jews to fight back wherever they could - don't get me wrong. You are misrepresenting what I said. I am trying to point out that Whittle's point is invalid, you are arguing that I have condemned the Jews. Not true. Many Jews did arm themselves.
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rareisalive 6 hours ago
"Like the SS, or the Cossacks...."
For those of you, who DON'T know, Cossacks were Ukrainian rednecks. That's like saying you need to own a gun to protect yourself from Billy-Ray down in Kentucky, who's got an AK.
Pseudologic 6 hours ago
Yet another American making out that Hitler instituted gun control. He did the exact opposite! Gun ownership restrictions were relaxed, Hitler made it significantly easier to own a gun than it was under the Weimar Republic, he rode around in a slow-moving open-topped car and made it easier for his people to own rifles and pistols. Why do Americans believe their own propaganda rather than spending a few moments doing some simple research?
MartinJWillett 9 hours ago
@MartinJWillett He might have made a mistake about Hitler and Gun Control, but he is absolutely right about the necessity that governments have to be responsible for their actions. And the only way the rights of citizens are guaranteed is if they have any real chance to stand for their rights. At the moment, our governments are creating more and more problems and then pass anti-terror laws (striping rights) instead of dealing with the real problems they have created themselves.
unitasetmagus 9 hours ago
@unitasetmagus It was the entire basis of his reasoning! Take away that myth and he has nothing left. The case for private gun ownership should not rest upon myths or lies and yet this is all that is put forward, the idea that gun ownership stops tyranny and would have stopped the Nazis. The German people were ARMED by Hitler, not disarmed! Hitler didn't even begin to restrict gun ownership by Jews until after Kristallnacht and long after the declaration of a one-party state.
MartinJWillett 8 hours ago
@MartinJWillett It's not entirely a myth though. Organized extermination did not begin until well into WWII as far as I know, while gun control was fully established by 1938. See the Nazi Weapons Act of 1938. Adolf Hitler has been quoted to link gun control with instituting tyranny over peoples also. The VC did offer a few other examples to support his claim as well. So even if he's somehow wrong about the Nazis here, I fail to see how the entire argument fall flat.
rhettrongun 8 hours ago
@rhettrongun You need to see the law that it replaced to see which way the tide was running. Hitler made gun ownership easier, not harder, and that was after he had established his one party state. It was the Weimar Republic which instituted tight gun control and the Nazi regime which made it more liberal (in the true sense of the word rather than the bastardized US version). The democratic parties of Germany disarmed the people before the Nazis took power.
MartinJWillett 7 hours ago
@MartinJWillett Ah, fair point then. I was not aware of that about the Weimar Republic. His target of planned extermination wasn't singled out until the addition made to the existing laws. I think the main idea would be that it is always easier to "round up", or what have you, any unarmed populous. Historically, it still seems to me that the Jews from Nazi Germany fit that line of reasoning.
rhettrongun 7 hours ago
Well done!
lj2justgoto 2 days ago
The tea party is like the republican party in the sense where it used to be cool but in recent days has been hijacked by neocons and evangelicals.
WeirdCrazyShortGuy 2 days ago
I have no problem with guns for hunters and women at atm's, etc ...
but this guy is misleading when he uses his particular examples of unarmed societies such as 1930's germany, etc ...
he is misleading in that he does not mention the hundreds of other countries that DO NOT ALLOW guns and have NO crime OR insane violent govt's.
Slovenia had no guns, no crime, near 100% employment, 0 stress, great health during its later-Tito years (the post-WWII Tito years were not so nice).
johnnyjohnnyfurther 3 days ago
@johnnyjohnnyfurther can you name me a current country that has banned guns that doesnt have a crime problem? and dude solvenia was also a police state.
KiwiTomCrawford 2 days ago
If I may take issue with anything else you say, I can agree 100% with what you say here. We are only free if we can fight to keep that freedom, sadly as there is no end to the cartoon characters lined up to take it away.
saladfork8 3 days ago
Very interesting, very reasonable and logical in most aspects. I think this guy actually moved me from a moderate to somewhere between moderate/conservative. Fundamentally he is making sound points, my only apprehension is that i feel bush and his policies may have caused the mess we are in today, and before bush we saw a time of prosperity with clinton. As a small business owner in renewable energy.... to think i lobbied for cap and trade seems silly now.
dbonekilla 4 days ago
@dbonekilla
If the tea party could comprimise with the obama administration 70% tea party 30% obama, then i think we could move in the right direction. Sometimes inaction can be worse than even a bad decision. We definatly need major change, I advocate a dramatic reduction in spending, we need to take on social security however no one has the balls to because its political suicide. we need leaders that are not concerned with their careers as much as the greater good. But at the same time
dbonekilla 4 days ago
@dbonekilla
I feel like we need to raise captial gains to 25% and take the extra 10% and put it towards our debt. I feel the situation of our budget deficit is so great we need action on both fronts, so our children don't have to pay for our mistakes and that we become more finacially strong as a nation.
dbonekilla 4 days ago
Right on target (no pun intended)...this series of vids is EXACTLY what this country needs...a rebirth of our SELF reliance and SELF governance and ENTREPRENEURIAL savvy.
2mconsolidated 5 days ago
criminals will find a way to get a gun anyway.
topperheartramada 5 days ago
I would gladly have liberals put up a website showing who owns guns where.
Less bullets go to waste.
NickyAmerica 1 week ago
"If you listen to the mainstream media talk about it, we tea party conservatives just love us our guns, on a count of them making us feel like big men, cause they're real loud, and make things far away blow up real good. To which I say, well...duh!"
:D best thing on youtube
stulikespie 1 week ago
I am all for drug rights and gun rights.
MrJapper88 1 week ago
@MrJapper88 Absolutely. And what's with those horrible images they now put on cigarettes? Lung cancer and what not? They treat adults like children. You cannot do that. You cannot hold free, adult men in such contempt.
topperheartramada 5 days ago
Bill Whittle is selfish and scared. You can see it in his eyes. The eyes do not lie. Never seen a guy so scared of a change to the status quo. lol
SquidgyMcGee 1 week ago
@SquidgyMcGee anyone in their right mind should be scared of this
jmsnooks 1 week ago
@jmsnooks Well look on the bright side. Living in a world full of gun violence is at least exciting in a scary way. You could die of boredom :) Places like Japan with stuffy antiquated value systems built round honour or 3rd world countries, places in the baltic region with little sunlight bitter cold and not much to do. Have very high suicide rates... lol
SquidgyMcGee 1 week ago
@SquidgyMcGee I don't know what exactly you are trying to say. But it seems that you missed pretty much everything this man said in his video.
jmsnooks 1 week ago
@jmsnooks yes your right i missed everything
SquidgyMcGee 1 week ago
@SquidgyMcGee Gun owners don't get scared all that much.
trottheblackdog 1 week ago
@trottheblackdog Yeah if you like to keep brutal killing machines on hand at all times it pretty much means you think you got something to worry about. Like a bad case rabbits, at the very least lol But seriously i love guns. i just know if i had one i get angry enough that i would use it!
SquidgyMcGee 1 week ago
@SquidgyMcGee Don't apply your self-loathing to other, more rational people. Not everyone is so unstable.
th3giv3r 5 days ago
There is a website called disaster center that has all of the statistics available. (Can't seem to post the URL) It very clearly shows the data. You make the call.
clayvansickle1 2 weeks ago
@clayvansickle1 Thanks for this useless reply.
quirkylwj 1 week ago
Gee, sorry quirkylwj, I wish that youtube allowed me to post a url in the comment section. However, if you go to the crime section, then find florida, the FBI crime data will come right up for you to check.
clayvansickle1 1 week ago
@LawnBoy Here is a link to Florida's violent crime statistics. Look at the data for yourself. Florida passed their concealed carry law in 1987. What do you see?
clayvansickle1 2 weeks ago
at 6:38 through 6:50, why don't you tell us oh wait i know why because you like to turn statistics to your favor and bend the truth you know Mark Twain once said :There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." You sir happen to spout all three types
LawnBoy5678 2 weeks ago
@LawnBoy5678 Twain was quoting, he attributed the quote to Benjamin Disraeli, that is probably not the original source either.
MartinJWillett 8 hours ago
If anybody has a link to a video as compelling as this coming from the anti-gun rights side I would love to see it. But I really doubt it exists.
kennedyt 2 weeks ago
@JUDALATION: Again, sir, you resort to name calling and emotion. Let's try some facts, shall we? Currently, under existing federal law, lawful gun owners are already required to report missing or stolen guns. Victims are already allowed to sue for true negligence. Britain, S. Africa and Australia have all banned guns. What have their violent crime statistics done? Skyrocketed! Their violent crime rate per capita is higher than the US.
If you choose to respond, please have facts ready.
clayvansickle1 2 weeks ago
@clayvansickle1 Absolute BS! I've heard these so called "facts" about EXPLODING crime rates in Australia after a crack down on gun ownership. I'm here to tell you, as an Aussie, its complete crap. In Australia you can own a gun if you need or want one. Farmers can get them to control pests. Hunters can get them to hunt. But you wont find anyone packing a sixshooter to go shopping at K-Mart.
quirkylwj 1 week ago
@quirkylwj It has never been the Australian way, and god willing it never will be. Australia does not have a gun culture, we don't want one. America's gun culture is an export nobody wants.
quirkylwj 1 week ago
@quirkylwj I am here to tell you that according to the Australian Institute of Criminology website, Assaults from 1996 to 2007 have steadily increased. Take from that what you will, but that is far from "complete crap". Also, according to Australia law, you must show a "good reason" to possess a firearm. Self defense is NOT an allowable reason.
clayvansickle1 1 week ago
@quirkylwj aussie crime is up, the UK however got it the worst. crime is up in total 300 percent since their weapons ban. in the US, DC had a strict handgun ban for years. they overturned it in DC vs heller, and the first year the handgun ban was lifted, handgun crime dropped over 40%
gun culture has nothing to do with crime. crime is its own culture, the UK knows that now, the swiss know that, we know that, eastern europe knows that, and frankly, i think you know that.
EnslaveTheEmos 1 week ago
@EnslaveTheEmos You are totally missing the point, Britain has never had a culture of ordinary citizens walking around armed and deterring criminals, at least not for well over a century. The banning of legally-owned guns has had, and could be confidently predicted to have, no effect at all on underlying levels of crime of any kind one way or another and nobody in Britain has ever suggested that it has or could have. Armed drug-dealing gangs don't care what the law is and never have.
MartinJWillett 7 hours ago
@MartinJWillett several law enforcement sources in Britain say an increase in criminal confidence after the ban was responsible for the large increase in crime rates that immediately followed the ban. almost 300% over 6 years.
the BBC itself posted several articles backing up this point. I just wrote a report on all of this, and I had no trouble finding British sources arguing the ban was responsible for the crime increase.
if you can find another reason for it, let me know.
EnslaveTheEmos 6 hours ago
@EnslaveTheEmos Are you serious? Do you actually believe that? That is utter madness. It doesn't make any sense at all. The number of guns in private hands was tiny, the number of guns ever used to foil crime was smaller still. No criminal in Britain ever expected to see a gun. I just don't believe you. I don't believe that anybody except an American could ever make a suggestion. I have not heard a single peep on the media, from any police officer, political party, t-shirt, graffiti - nothing.
MartinJWillett 50 minutes ago
@clayvansickle1 Crap. Violent crime in Britain has not risen significantly except gang crime which has nothing to do with private legal ownership of guns. No pistols in boxes bolted to the eaves of a private house ever deterred some drug-dealing scrote from buying a black market gun he thought he needed. There is no connection at all between legal gun ownership and violent crime, only an American gun campaigner could think there was such a connection.
Stick to sensible arguments please.
MartinJWillett 7 hours ago
@MartinJWillett Really? Seriously? Did you bother to do any research...at all before attempting to discredit my argument? I think not.
If you simply google "uk violent crime rates" the very first link that comes up shows that the UK's violence per capita is higher than South Africa! There is also a wonderful graph in the 3rd link from the UK National Archives that shows that from 1995-2003 the violent crime rates nearly doubled!
clayvansickle1 7 hours ago
@clayvansickle1 I have the distinct advantage of actually living through the process. Correlation is not causation. You need to suggest a mechanism by which changes in the laws regarding legally owned weapons can have any affect at all on violent crime rates. What is the mechanism?
MartinJWillett 7 hours ago
@MartinJWillett The mechanism is fear. The only thing criminals fear is force. You are correct that correlation is not necessarily causation, but the statistics from the states here in the US that have passed concealed carry laws are pretty convincing.
clayvansickle1 5 hours ago
@clayvansickle1 In America self defence and protection from crime is seen as a legitimate use for guns. That was not the case in Britain before the gun ban. You need to go back a century or so before you find a British gun culture remotely comparable to any US state. If somebody had said their reason for wanting to have a gun licence was a desire to protect themselves and their family they would not stand the slightest chance of being granted one for the last forty years, absolute minimum.
MartinJWillett 19 minutes ago
@MartinJWillett
I have news for you as well, gangs are much less likely to assault and harass innocent people if they know their victims might be armed. This is a DIRECT correlation. Bad guys fear one thing...force. They fear being caught by police, they fear being shot during a home invasion by an armed citizen. They do not fear anything in England because even the average Bobby isn't armed. They are no threat and therefore no deterrent to violent criminals.
clayvansickle1 7 hours ago
@clayvansickle1 In Britain guns owned by drug gangs are used against other drug gangs, not against people who used to carry guns legally because nobody has been carrying around guns on the street for more than a century. Your argument would not convince anybody in this country, where not a single political party, even the lunatic right wing, has ever suggested that violent crime has been caused by banning the legal ownership of handguns. You simply have no idea of the culture over here.
MartinJWillett 7 hours ago
@MartinJWillett Fair enough, I don't know, nor understand your culture very well. But to think that gangs of people, will only target other illicit gangs is naive and I think you know that. Statistics in this country, do show a significant decrease in violent crime in states where concealed carry is legal. That is not lunatic, that is fact.
clayvansickle1 5 hours ago
@clayvansickle1 I have news for you, no drug-dealing scrote ever for one moment suspected that any ordinary law-abiding person in Britain would ever be armed either on the streets or in their homes. Nothing has changed in the balance of power between criminal and citizen since the handgun ban. Britons have not been allowed to go around carrying guns since before these scrotes' great grandparents were born.
MartinJWillett 14 minutes ago
@MartinJWillett
Please do not impune my character or arguments as non "sensible" unless you are able to produce fact instead of emotion and feelings.
clayvansickle1 7 hours ago
@clayvansickle1 I have spent all but three months of the last forty nine years living in Britain. Have you been here a single day? You don't get to tell me what is happening in my country or what the reason for it is because you don't have a clue, you know what lessons you WANT to draw from statistics but you don't understand a damned thing about our culture. Britain is a country, not an object lesson for your debates.
MartinJWillett 7 hours ago
@MartinJWillett Martin I'm Twitter/YouTube stalking you!! :D
Pseudologic 6 hours ago
@MartinJWillett Comparing the U.S. to the low guns/low crime societies of the United Kingdom or Canada is one of the most common arguments among gun control advocates. In rebuttal, gun control opponents typically reference high guns/low crime nations such as Switzerland and Israel. However, these comparisons miss the mark. The futility of pairwise comparisons between nations’ crime rates relative to their gun ownership becomes apparent once one realizes that there are countries with every
TheJamesrocket 6 hours ago
permutation: the US (high guns/high crime); Switzerland and Israel (high guns/low crime); Japan (low guns/low crime); and Mexico (low guns/high crime). Any two countries can be compared or contrasted to make any point desired.
TheJamesrocket 6 hours ago
@MartinJWillett No offense meant in using the statistics available from the Home Office and National Archives to defend my reasoning. You are correct, I haven't had the opportunity to visit, although it is number one on my list of countries to visit when I tour Europe. England is a great country and a great ally of the US. England is also the homeland of two of the people in my life that I am closest to.
clayvansickle1 5 hours ago
I will say that just because I don't live there, doesn't mean that I can't make observations about a place.
It is sometimes difficult to accept the hard truth about a place or person you are close to. That seems to be the case here. I am not, in any way, saying that England is a horrible place. I am simply quoting facts that are readily available to anyone via the Home Office website.
clayvansickle1 5 hours ago
@clayvansickle1 No. You are wrong. There is nobody in Britain making any link between the ban on guns and crime because nobody here is a gun-rights single issue obsessive without a brain. You have no idea about the gun ownership culture before the ban, how few people owned guns, how few people were known to own guns, how brandishing a gun at a criminal would get a person in deep trouble and their neighbours thinking he was a sad git for wanting a gun in the first place.
MartinJWillett 35 minutes ago
@clayvansickle1 Well if that is the case I suggest you stop using my country as a weapon in an American debate. There is no such debate here. You will look in vain to find any British political party, police chief, media personality, newspaper, pressure group, criminal or even bitter old man in a pub saying that we've all gone to hell in a handcart since guns were banned or the people need to carry guns. And don't think I am a bed-wetting socialist, I support private gun ownership.
MartinJWillett 42 minutes ago
follow the laws. So your solution of more laws will not in fact stop ANY violent crimes in America. It will increase them because the bad guys will know that their victims are unarmed and can't defend themselves. Look at the violent crime statistics in Florida since passing it's concealed carry law. The rate of violent crime has gone steadily...DOWN. Criminials don't follow the laws, and they respect only one thing...force.
"An armed society, is a polite society". Robert Heinlein.
clayvansickle1 2 weeks ago
@clayvansickle1 How stupid can you possibly be? All guns are registered to a person! Therefore if a gun is used in a crime, it can be traced back to the origional owner, then that owner will be asked why they did not report the gun stolen or why they did not do a background check. The victims family would also be able to sue gun owners that showed neglegence. Will this remove guns from all criminals? NOOO! But it will stop most criminals from getting guns! Seatbelts are not 100%
JUDALATION 2 weeks ago
@JUDALATION: You say in your own statement that "IN FACT every day HUNDREDS OF EX CONS COMMIT CRIMES WITH GUNS BOUGHT ILLEGALLY! " In a further sentence you then say: "If you simply change the law to make background checks mandatory, And prevent people with restraining orders from buying them, YOU CAN STOP 75% OF VIOLENT CRIMES IN AMERICA!"
Here is a reality check that you seem to admit yourself. The bad guys are not buying guns legally. The only people that gun laws affect are those who
clayvansickle1 2 weeks ago
GREAT VID DUDE! I agree
RailfanAlek4829 2 weeks ago
Dear leftists: before you make yet another argument against the right to bear arms, please present one fact that you base your opinion on. While you try to come up with one, remember: we could eliminate ALL crime in America by completing taking away all of your rights and enslaving you and I both. Then, just to make sure we don't think about doing something "subversive," we could have the gov't keep a gun pointed at our heads at all times. How's that for "security?"
HomelessOnline 2 weeks ago
@HomelessOnline Please name ONE BILL that was EVER voted on to "Make guns illegal" The whole noction is completly Assanine that only a stupid redneck conservative would believe that! As to your second STUPID question, Yes! Its illegal for a felon to buy a gun... Only problem is a private seller does not have to do a background check, As long as the felon does not SAY he would fail one he can legally buy as many guns from Private dealers. SO THERE IS NOTHING STOPPING MURDERS FROM
JUDALATION 2 weeks ago
Cont.... BUYING AS MANY AK47s as possible, IN FACT every day HUNDREDS OF EX CONS COMMIT CRIMES WITH GUNS BOUGHT ILLEGALLY! If you simply change the law to make background checks mandatory, And prevent people with restraining orders from buying them, YOU CAN STOP 75% OF VIOLENT CRIMES IN AMERICA! You want to protect your Home thats FINE! but why the hell do you want to get into a gunfight with CRIMINALS IN THE FIRST PLACE? THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE EASY ACCESS TO GUNS IDIOT!
JUDALATION 2 weeks ago
@JUDALATION Question for you, HOW would you make background checks mandatory for private sellers. Also for your info, MOST private sellers REQUIRE that when you meet with them you have a Concealed Pistol License on you OR an arrangement is made to sell through a person with a Federal Firearms License. Just so you know FFL's yeah they do mandatory background checks on all sales private or otherwise. At least where I am it is.
Chefbrian117 2 weeks ago
@JUDALATION - Assault weapons bill--pointless but ratified. Don't obfuscate, bigot. I'm no redneck, but every one I've met was open-minded and accepting, unlike yourself. Either way, I see where this is going: "why do u need assault weapons?" Then "why do u need a hunting rifle, since you can get meat from the store?" Then: "Why do u need a 10-round magazine?" Then "why do u need a gun?" NEED was never an issue. I see your problem: you think you're smarter than the founding fathers.
HomelessOnline 2 weeks ago
More examples: Banned "saturday night specials." Banned .50 rifles. Banned SKSs & AKs. Banned bayonets, thumbholes, removable magazines. Banned M1's from Korea. Banned pistols not drop-tested. Banned magazines. Banned bullets. Banned tommy guns. Banned suppressors. Intro "licensing": pistol purchase permits, concealed carry permits, 1 pistol per month laws. I won't argue "need" with a leftist. You should do some homework, ignorance is not your finest quality, but you wear it proudly.
HomelessOnline 2 weeks ago
@HomelessOnline You are an idiot! You come up with a million slippery slope fallicies and ad hominem attacks, But are you honestly saying that people should buy guns without background checks? If so you are an idiot. Once again, let me say this for the last time! LIBERALS DONT WANT TO BAN GUNS... THEY JUST WANT TO PREVENT VIOLENT CRIMINALS FROM BUYING THEM! And under the law, Private dealers can sell it as long as they dont tell them they are not felons. THATS HOW MOST GUNS GET 2
JUDALATION 2 weeks ago
Them... as denoted BY A VOLUMINOUS AMOUNT OF STUDIES! Criminals dont stel guns, they also dont make them at home... the number one way criminals get guns IS BUYING THEM FROM PRIVATE DEALERS... You can bitch all day but this is a stupid loophole that cause guns to be easier for felons to own than legal gun owners. Go to HELL you ignorant tool! Im done educating retards!
JUDALATION 2 weeks ago
@JUDALATION Criminals buy guns Illegally, if you are a felon owning a gun is illegal, attempting to buy one is illegal, even if it is from a private citizen. The very attempt is a crime punishable by 25 years. There is no loophole, it is a myth created by the Brady institute to distract from their agenda to remove all guns from legal owners.
VadulTharys 1 week ago
@JUDALATION - "You idiot" is no argument at all. If you think leftists (they're not "liberals" because they rail against others rights--see how that works?) don't want to ban guns, good for you. I myself pay closer attention. Right now, somewhere in my neighborhood, a felon is passing another felon a gun. Exactly which law do you think would stop them from doing that? And how do you propose we disarm them all? Stick to video games, Junior, real men keep--and carry--guns.
HomelessOnline 2 weeks ago
@HomelessOnline There is NOBODY trying to ban Guns in America... That would be like banning christianity in Rome! The constitution and many judges prevent the state from denying guns to any law abiding citizen! EVERY STATE ALLOWS GUN OWNERSHIP! Stop trying to change the subject! This is about criminals buying guns without background checks! Only a CRAZY PERSON THINKS ITS OK for a criminal to buy guns without a background check! HELLOOOO IS THERE ANYTHING IN BETWEEN YOUR EARS?
JUDALATION 2 weeks ago
@JUDALATION - The UN isn't trying to ban guns in America? What about Michael Bloomberg and his group of mayors? You're uninformed. Ever try to get a pistol in D.C.? Read "Emily Got Her Gun" from the Washington Times, published last weekend. Then read "A World Without Guns." Besides, in California, all gun sales must go through dealers. No private-to-private sales are allowed. Think that's reduced crime? Of course you don't. Save your insults, you're showing your hand of ignorance.
HomelessOnline 2 weeks ago
@HomelessOnline I LIVE IN BROOKLYN NYC... AND I HAVE A LEGAL GUN PERMIT! NOBODY CAN BAN THE SECOND AMMENDMENT! THATS LIKE BRINGING BACK SLAVERY! ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THIS STUPIUD? The second amendment is protected under the constitution! Nobody can change it1 And the EU is in Europe! They have no say in America! Bloomberg wants stricter gun laws, Not banning guns! He wants to prevent cons from getting guns, many of the crime commited in NYC is from gangstas from the FAILED South!
JUDALATION 2 weeks ago
@JUDALATION - NYC, huh? That explains your disdain for others. I take it you won't be reading the articles I pointed you to. The UN is NYC, read carefully before popping off. No law will prevent cons from getting guns. Try spelling "stupid" correctly if you're going to sling it around. I'm guessing anybody who disagrees with you--or in this case, schools you--is stupid, in your opinion. Whatever you do, keep ignoring facts, as they will poke numerous holes in your theories. Good day.
HomelessOnline 2 weeks ago
@JUDALATION Please stop talking. You make yourself look like a moron every time you post, and you do the rest of us sane, educated, mature Americans no favors.
Unless your whole intent is to troll by spouting off in favor of 2A as a straw-man to make gun rights supporters look stupid and therefore attempt to build some favor for an otherwise hidden anti-gun agenda... in which case you're still just making yourself look stupid.
b3s13g3d 2 weeks ago
fun fact, Britain who has gun control, actually suffers higher violent crime rates than america.
jegsimmonsproduction 2 weeks ago
While in training as a security guard, my police weapons trainer shared his views FOR gun control. In the many years of his police-work he claimed he had never reported to the scene of a domestic shooting which involved a burglar, or rapist, etc. His view was that ALL hand guns should be illegal because of the inherent danger to the public. He apparently was unaware of the primary reason for an armed populace. An aspiring ruling political class.
THEORIGINALEXSCAPER 2 weeks ago
@THEORIGINALEXSCAPER - As many a police chief has said to the American public, "we don't like not knowing who's armed." I maintain that is EXACTLY why our founding fathers demanded the Second Amendment be included. (They forget the very document they've sworn to uphold and protect, and it is truly sickening.) I don't need their protection. In fact, they've never protected me a single time, it was always me having to protect myself. Sad truth, but all truth.
HomelessOnline 2 weeks ago
Hitler win election democratically: so if all the people who voted Hitler where armed on that time... daaamn!
HitmarkJ 2 weeks ago
@HitmarkJ - And they rolled over and turned in their guns when ordered to do so. For your sake, you better hope good Americans don't do the same. Unfortunately, I know many people in California that turned in their guns when ordered to do so. (SKS, look it up.)
HomelessOnline 2 weeks ago
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." --Thomas Jefferson
boatrat 2 weeks ago
Do you really think that a bunch of untrained civilians could have defeated Hitler. Or even would have tried.
coolkent7777777 2 weeks ago
@coolkent7777777 If they werent a threat, then why did Hitler (and most dictators) insist on gun control?
THEORIGINALEXSCAPER 2 weeks ago
I like the name of these videos, what WE believe. Because you can't think for yourself
coolkent7777777 2 weeks ago
@coolkent7777777 Grow a brain. The WE is from the preamble of the US Constitution. "We The People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union..." It means ALL of us. Well, except you.
THEORIGINALEXSCAPER 2 weeks ago
O great so if you don't think that a government figure is right you should go and blow his head off
coolkent7777777 2 weeks ago
@coolkent7777777 You miss the bulls-eye with that one. The point is when the government figure thinks to IMPOSE laws or judgements against you or the people, that govt figure always has in the back of his (or her) mind "They all still have guns, dont they?" It is not the threat against govt figures, but the threat of govt figures towards the people that is the potential problem. Which is why we are GUARANTEED the right to keep and bear arms.
THEORIGINALEXSCAPER 2 weeks ago
@coolkent7777777 Get a better argument - the one you just used is not very good.
dwm1812 2 weeks ago
If you think that people are just going to say, "oh my, I would never own a gun to protect my family from murderous thugs because, I would be contributing to the massive crime wave", you're sadly mistaken. And on a very real note, if you think YOU are exempt from a ruthless gang member raping your women and shooting you in the face in your own living room, think again and start reading the headlines. WAKE UP PEOPLE
deepsouthpatriot 2 weeks ago
I personally don't and would never own a gun because Uncle Obama and Aunt Clinton (or is it Aunt Obama and Uncle Clinton?) would say that is bad, and the last thing I want to do is upset a president who has divine powers greater than the constitution itself, but my friends who HAVE bought guns underwent extensive background checks. It is not the law abiding citizens fault that thugs are running the streets with guns. This is the world we were born into, it has been this way for centuries.
deepsouthpatriot 2 weeks ago
Wow....well not all democrats want to make guns completely illegal, but alot of them do. Once again, a democrat thinking they have all the answers, kinda like Bernanke's ingenious idea for solving the debt crisis, they think taking guns away from law abiding citizens will stop gun violence. Well maybe 30 years down the line, but in the meantime, law abiding citizens will be like lambs in a slaughter. And in response to the whole background check convo, obviously you have never bought a gun
deepsouthpatriot 2 weeks ago
Go ahead, ban all guns. I'll machine my own crude firearm. And ammo. This country has way too many good machinists, and chemists, to make such a ban unworkable.
hutch1200 2 weeks ago
TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE BULLSHIT! DEMOCRATS IN AMERICA DONT WANT TO MAKE GUNS ILLEGAL! THEY WANT BACKGROUND CHECKS SO CRIMINALS DONT HAVE GUNS! OVER 500,000,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED BY ILLEGAL GUNS SINCE JFK AND MLK WERE KILLED. WHY DOES THE NRA NOT WANT BACKGROUND CHECKS? AND OVER 1 MILLION GUN SUICIDES BECAUSE MENTALY UNSTABLE PEOPLE ARE BUYING GUNS. THIS SLIPPERY SLOPES FALLICY IS A JOKE! WHY CANT THE USA DO BACKGROUND CHECKS? ITS EASIER FOR FELONS TO GET A GUN THAN A FUCKIN JOB!
JUDALATION 2 weeks ago
@JUDALATION Five hundred million people have been killed by illegal guns? Really, I doubt it. I live in a country where the Gov't virtually outlawed guns under pressure from the socialists and now only the outlaws have guns. The citizens are totally at the mercy of the outlaws because regular folks no longer have the capacity to defend themselves on an equal footing.
NEWSFLASH: Felons don't apply for gun licenses and background checks, they just get a gun. Why are socialists so naive?
ClownFight 2 weeks ago
@ClownFight Sigh... under the law private owners dont have to do background checks... and over 40 percent of guns bught in the USA are PRIVATE SALE... All a gang member has to do is NOT say he could not pass a background check (yes... its true) and you can sell him a gun without any ID or names. This is why felons have an easier time getting guns than getting a job. My Oldest brother was months away from becoming a doctor when he was shot and killed!
JUDALATION 2 weeks ago
@JUDALATION Under the law? I had an extensive background check done when I purchased my Glock 17 9mm with high capacity magazine. Criminals get a ot of weapons from theft and other crimes. A bro of mine left a nice SIG in his truck and it was stolen along with his stereo and iphone - I ripped him one. Your post is in error. Sorry about your brother.
dwm1812 2 weeks ago
@JUDALATION Your reaction to your loss is understandable but misguided. Your brother was killed by a man, not a gun. Many countries have much higher personal gun ownership than yours, but very few have as many men who shoot people with them. The problem is your sick society, not the guns in it. I'd wager that a gun-free Detroit would still be the Number 2 murder capital of the free world right behind Honduras. I think that in the Wild o'l USA the good people actiually NEED guns to stay alive!
ClownFight 2 weeks ago
@JUDALATION Why doesn't the NRA want background checks? That's odd, because as a life long member of the NRA, I seem to remember the NRA endorsing the Federal background check system when the bill was introduced back in the 80's. Why can't the USA do background checks? WE DO!!! MORON!!! Oh and btw, yes, most Democrats do in fact want to make guns illegal.
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@eyeh8u1 Sigh... under the law private owners dont have to do background checks... and over 40 percent of guns bught in the USA are PRIVATE SALE... All a gang member has to do is NOT say he could not pass a background check (yes... its true) and you can sell him a gun without any ID or names. This is why felons have an easier time getting guns than getting a job. My Oldest brother was months away from becoming a doctor when he was shot and killed!
JUDALATION 2 weeks ago
@JUDALATION Uh, this is wrong on so many levels. BUT SINCE YOU DID IT IN ALL CAPS IT MUST BE WISE AND TRUE! NRA member here - most of us support background checks and some of us support waiting periods. Can't speak for whole group. SOME Democrats do want extensive gun control and a comlete ban - DC did ban them (and lost, whew!) 500000000 - is that world wide? 1 million gun suicides? Source? But hey, I forgot, you are WISE B/C OF CAPS!
dwm1812 2 weeks ago
@dwm1812 I am not wrong on any level. If almost every employer does a background check before hiring a person, then a private gun owner can do one before selling a gun to make sure that the buyer does not have a criminal past, or even worse, a restraining order. Unfortunatly its legal for a dangerous person to buy guns from a private dealer, which is how gangs and criminals get guns so easily.
JUDALATION 2 weeks ago
@JUDALATION Ok, not quite sure what you are talking about. Background checks are done for buying guns. Do you mean if I buy a handgun then sell it to another private citizen? No, gangs and crimnals do not get guns from private citzens unless they are stolen or bought legally. How do we knwo someone is dangerous? A dangerous person might not have done anything to pop up on a background check.
dwm1812 2 weeks ago
@JUDALATION - How do you define "dangerous person?" I own guns, I'm willing to use them in my own defense, therefore I'm a "dangerous person." Fortunately, it's illegal for a convicted felon to buy a gun from anybody anywhere, or to even borrow one. How would you propose to keep guns away from felons--that should be your question. My answer is I don't have the answer because felons break any and all laws that stand in their way. My only recourse is to be armed.
HomelessOnline 2 weeks ago
Taking away the guns would stop... *a lot* of the gun violence. Not all of it. There is gun violence in the UK and they took away the guns decades ago. It would not stop the violence. If someone wants your wallet, they are going to try to take it, be it using a gun, knife, baseball bat... all of which are regulated in the UK (cricket bats) and they STILL have violent crime. Some of the countries that have been heavily regulating firearms (i.e. the UK) have been fudging their violent crime #s.
EDraven32 2 weeks ago
But worse here, criminals use guns instead of giant ceramic penises. The thing is, BasilFawlty4444, I totally agree with your philosophy that taking guns away from EVERYONE would, well, stop the gun violence. That would be just wonderful. However, in reality, it's just not going to happen, at least not in our lifetimes. That scenario leaves us to fend for ourselves and our families. I know I would NEVER use a gun for criminal activities, but I'd be scared to death if I was left defenseless here
deepsouthpatriot 3 weeks ago
And I don't go around "packing heat", I stay out of high crime areas. Someone was shot dead in front of a club 4 miles from my house just 12 hours ago (gang related). It's literally a concrete jungle that nobody is safe in, armed or unarmed. My house, however, is my kingdom, and I am the one who controls what happens or doesn't happen within these 4 walls. I feel MUCH safer knowing that I can protect myself. Unlike that poor old man on "A Clockwork Orange" who watched his wife get bludgeoned.
deepsouthpatriot 3 weeks ago
Well deepsouthpatriot to the rescue. I can clear this debate up with a real life example. If you want to know what the United States would be like if law abiding citizens were forced to relinquish their firearms, take a look at our neighbors to the south. Mexico. My wife is from there. In Mexico, the narcos don't hesitate to walk into a peaceful family's home and demand they give them half of their earnings, or their entire family will be shot dead right in front of them. That wouldn't work here
deepsouthpatriot 3 weeks ago
Switzerland had 34 crimes involving firearms in 2006, that's not a per-capita figure that's an actual figure. In Switzerland you are required by law to have an assault rifle in your home and to have had military training with it annually. There are more crimes of that nature per day in cities that have made firearms illegal. Anyone who thinks gun control will solve anything is an idiot.
d3ltadrive 3 weeks ago 29
@d3ltadrive And let's not forget, those aren't Nancy Pelosi type "Assault Weapons" with black paint and a bayonet lug, (and "that thing that goes up,) no, those are real weapons, with the fun switch and everything. Maybe I should move to Switzerland.
evildude109 2 weeks ago in playlist More videos from BillWhittleChannel
@d3ltadrive Japan also all but bans guns, and they have one of the lowest murder rates of any documented nation, so I'm not inclined to believe these are related.
I think the real problem in America is our culture.
Owning a gun doesn't promote violence. Our culture promotes a cycle of poverty through lax regulations on corporate greed and minimal education opportunity for those born poor, and that in turn promotes gun violence.
IYellalot 2 weeks ago
@IYellalot Absolutely, we need to ban reality tv not guns.
d3ltadrive 1 week ago 2
@d3ltadrive In Switzerland, all citizens are required to train at the age of 18 in the military, and remain part of the military militia for life. This is not the case in America. The idea that you can compare Switzerland and America with regards to citizen gun ownership is disingenuous.
quirkylwj 1 week ago
@quirkylwj Apart from that, your gun crime figure is wrong. But facts and figures seem to matter little in this argument. The gun debate is all but over in America. You guys won. Continued gun crime and the occasional human massacre is the price we must all pay for your narcissism.
quirkylwj 1 week ago
@d3ltadrive There ARE no major cities in Switzerland... Its a Ural area perfect for Gun ownership. If you think that would work in a major city you are a full blown idiot who has never lived in a major city.
JUDALATION 1 week ago
zurich, geneva, basel, bern. are you fucking kidding me, the country has plenty of major cities. i didnt think human beings were capable of being this ignorant.
the zurich metro area alone is a densely populated 2 million people. that is the size of orlando or tampa. bigger than las vegas. such ignorance.
EnslaveTheEmos 1 week ago
@JUDALATION and you have proven you know nothing about Switzerland, or this topic. Time to drink the kool-ade
VadulTharys 1 week ago
@d3ltadrive just to add switzerland has the highest firepower per-capita in the world, not the US. many people dont understand that.
EnslaveTheEmos 1 week ago
@EnslaveTheEmos They do, by far. If Switzerland had even half the population of the United States they would make the United States and China COMBINED look like a bunch of wussies.
d3ltadrive 1 week ago
@d3ltadrive
Switzerland: High gun ownership - Low crime.
Japan: Low gun ownership - low crime.
The UK: Low gun ownership - high crime.
Is there a country that has high gun ownership and high crime?
Still, gun ownership and crime rates are 100% unrelated. Crime is committed by law breakers. That's why they are called criminals.
acoow 1 week ago
@acoow Well that's why we should put guns in the hands of law abiding citizens, I know if I were a criminal I would be afraid of robbing houses if I knew the homeowner may have a rifle at their bedside.
d3ltadrive 1 week ago
Funny how british start criticizing our rights to bear arms....when a british movie, a famous one at that, shows exactly the reason we have those rights....SO WE DON'T BE BLUDGEONED BY A GIANT CERAMIC PENIS! Bet that scene woulda went totally different had that old man had a Glock tucked under his bed....
deepsouthpatriot 3 weeks ago 2
@deepsouthpatriot I was thinking of that movie and I was watching "28 Days Later." If the rage virus had hit America, it'd be over in a few days.
dwm1812 2 weeks ago
So, let me just ask all you genius liberals one question. Since I am an objective conservative American and I look at both sides of EVERY coin. What do you think would be the result if all guns were confiscated by the Gov't? Meaning, all law abiding citizens turn in their guns? You think the criminals will turn them in also? I personally think that would be the icing on the cake for the criminal enterprise. Then they can victimize us without even remotely worrying about self defense.
deepsouthpatriot 3 weeks ago
@deepsouthpatriot Well in Britain it's just fine. Our police don't even need to carry guns. Few criminals have them, and they're not easy to 'get'.
It's illegal for anyone to have a gun. If you are found in ownership of a gun, the typical sentence is five years.
Of course, you can own a gun if you are a farmer or if you shoot for sport (as long as you keep the guns locked away at your club).
It's not about self-defence. It's about what the criminals can do to you.
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444
Believe me, I may be offending alot of my fellow conservatives here, but if you ask me, the world would probably be a much better place if guns were never even invented. The day they were invented, they became a necessity. Great Britain may ban gun ownership, but, just as you pointed out, few criminals have them. Not the case here. Until we can get the guns out of the criminals hands it makes no sense to take them from law abiding citizens. Unless you want to see them dead
deepsouthpatriot 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444
Also, that's a great point. Considering the British were the ones who BROUGHT the guns to the western world to begin with, I'd like to know how they fixed this vicious cycle in their country. Furthermore, I'm not even sure that I agree with the idea of taking guns away EVEN IF criminals are running around with only sticks, knives and their bare fists. I'm 5'7 150 lbs and if someone 6'4 275 lbs broke into my house and wanted to rape my wife, I'd be defenseless without a gun.
deepsouthpatriot 3 weeks ago
@deepsouthpatriot Well, you must have a cricket bat (or equivalent) in your house.
Look up the case of Munir Hussain. On appeal, he was released.
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
OK, I have just lost all respect for this guy. What an incredibly flawed argument.
Seriously? Nazi Germany? The Germans supported their government in the removal of "undesirables" all the way! Besides, can you imagine pitting a Jewish family man against a battle-hardened SS soldier?
"Few, if any, twentieth-century political leaders have enjoyed greater popularity among their own people than Hitler in the decade or so following his assumption of power."
~ Ian Kershaw, expert on Nazi Germany.
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444 I am sure that the 6 million jews, and 9 million or so of gypsies, homosexuals and other "undesirables" did not supported the Nazi goverment in that matter. Had this people been armed, Hitler and his SS would at least, have had a moment of doubt before breaking into their houses to abduct them and their families. The genocide may still have occured, but at least they would have had a chance to defend themselves and their loved ones.
johanncl 3 weeks ago
@johanncl If anything, more people would have died. The Nazis had a habit of reprisals for Germans killed by resistance fighters.
In the Warsaw ghetto, the Jews did rise up against the Nazis. Look up what happened there.
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444 if you were an expert on Nazi Germany you would know how few SS soldiers there were...
kustomforce 3 weeks ago
@kustomforce The Wehrmacht were there too.
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444 that''s true. also the situation in nazi germany was that almost half of the population wanted hitler. in such a senario i agree that the jews could never have won. but still the results say that an armed people is safer.
kustomforce 3 weeks ago
@kustomforce Safer?
Are you sure? Why do you say that?
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
When Arizona instituted the Concealed Carry permit the liberals claimed that Arizona's streets would run red with the blood of innocent murder victims. Well, that didn't happen. In fact, violent crime decreased.
Last year Arizona instituted Constitutional Carry. This means that any citizen of the United States, who is not a convicted Felon, can carry concealed without a permit. The Communists claimed the streets would run red with blood, but guess what? Crime rates continue to drop.
Dragdamar 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from BillWhittleChannel
whew.....very depressing statistics there. Doesn't say much about the nature of man. Obama's obvious contempt for anyone who clings to their guns and their bibles pretty much says it all about the dangerous road this nation traveling down. I'll be standing shoulder to shoulder with Mr. Whittle, Rick Santorum and every other American whose eyes are wide open to the train wreck headed our way.
Couldn't agree more with Mr. Whittle.
cher128bx 3 weeks ago
Sorry Bill, I can't entirely agree with you on this one. Gun Violence is attributed to poor gun control = crazys arming theselves at gun shows then killing dozens. It's becoming more and more prevelant vs. protection from the next evil empire. Not a ban entirey, but enforcement of who can buy and possess guns. Criminals will always be able to get guns but we shouldn't have gun show-mart open to the mentally ill. We're all for the 2nd amendment but it didn't account for today's atrocities.
smootheggchowfun 3 weeks ago
@smootheggchowfun Go and look up my countries Australia's and UKs Home office.gov figures after we had massive gun control in 1996, every year after the ban gun violence went up along with crime skyrocketed, Home invasions tripled, rapes doubled in some states. We now along with the UK have way over doubled gun violence nearly tripled actually and there's simple reasoning for it, Criminals don't hand in guns, only law abiding citizens do, once lawful citizens unarmed, criminal rise, we proved it
ANTICARBONTAX 3 weeks ago
@ANTICARBONTAX Could you post some of these statistics...
I find them very hard to believe.
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444 Look I've seen your trolling here about how less Jews would have died if they just got on the trains without a fuss instead of fighting back (what a fuckwit you are) You forgot to mention this little collection of colony's that just happened to be armed that fought off the strongest military power in the world, it was called AMERICA plus an even better example VIETNAM both countries out gunned with basic arms that fought off a super power, If like being a pussy go right ahead
ANTICARBONTAX 3 weeks ago
@ANTICARBONTAX Yeah, you sound like a fool.
I'm not trolling, I'm expressing my opinion. I do not believe that a civilised society can justify gun ownership.
The Jews in the Second World War, armed or not, would have been flattened by the Nazis. As I said, look at what happened at the Warsaw Ghetto uprising - 17 Germans dead, 13,000 Jews killed. Whittle has made an irrelevant point.
You also make a good point about revolutions, but a government can arm it's people if need be.
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444 "The Jews in the Second World War, armed or not, would have been flattened by the Nazis. As I said, look at what happened at the Warsaw Ghetto uprising - 17 Germans dead, 13,000 Jews killed. Whittle has made an irrelevant point."
Your point is irrelevant because what were there options die like sheep or at least kill 17 Germans, Are you a NAZI is that why you morn the 17 NAZI's who died? Those JEWS were fucking dead no matter what, so what the fuck is you point? There Heroes
ANTICARBONTAX 3 weeks ago
@ANTICARBONTAX Yes, what the Jews did was brave. Don't call me a Nazi, arse hole.
But there are a number of points to make here - firstly, the Jews did manage to arm themselves in a time of war, despite a ban on firearms.
Secondly, the ineffectiveness of armed civilians against a well-trained enemy demonstrates quite clearly that an armed population won't save your country in an invasion.
I personally blame the Russians for not sending help to the Jews.
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444 Look up Sweden's figures then, A country with basically no gun control and barely no gun crime. You can buy basically any machine gun you want there. You new point have also become Null/Void with FACTS.
ARGUMENT FLAW: CHERRY PICKS DATA, STATES LESS JEWS WOULD HAVE DIED IF UNARMED "If anything, more people would have died. The Nazis had a habit of reprisals for Germans killed by resistance fighters", GUN CONTROL=LESS GUN VIOLENCE EVEN THOUGH STATS SAY THE OPPOSITE. IDIOT
ANTICARBONTAX 3 weeks ago
@ANTICARBONTAX Britain is much more like America than Sweden.
And besides, it is the American system you are trying - and failing - to defend. 67.52% of US murders are from firearms.
13,000 Jews were killed on the spot at Warsaw. Is it not concieveable that some of them may have either escaped or survived the death camps? But that's not the point; I would still have fought the Nazis. The point is that Whittle is wrong.
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444 "Britain is much more like America than Sweden.
And besides, it is the American system you are trying - and failing - to defend. 67.52% of US murders are from firearms." haha typical can't handle the facts so changes the topic, Gun Control didn't work in UK or Australia and Sweden has no Gun Control at all with basically no gun crime, but your right, let's forget about those inconvenient FACTS and ban guns In USA even though it hasn't worked anywhere else and increased crime
ANTICARBONTAX 3 weeks ago
@ANTICARBONTAX Clearly gun control has worked. Guns have been regulated in the UK since 1903. The 1996 Act only affected 1 in 960 people. That's barely proof that gun control has caused the rise in gun crime.
How do you know that murders in the UK wouldn't have increased even more if guns hadn't been banned?
Considering that gun crime is now in freefall, wouldn't you say that it has worked, or at the very least it is beginning to work?
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444 "13,000 Jews were killed on the spot at Warsaw. Is it not concieveable that some of them may have either escaped or survived the death camps?"
6 MILLION DEAD so NO it's NOT conceivable at all, 13,000 is probably half a day's work in a camp.
"I would still have fought the Nazis" pfft as if fag you would have bowed down and said to them while being pushed in the oven, "BUT WHY I DIDN'T FIGHT BACK *FLAMES*"
ANTICARBONTAX 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444 Whittle being wrong or right is fucking pointless, with 6 MILLION well armed Jews it would have been a huge fucking problem for NAZI's, yeah they probably wouldn't have won but who knows, your point of oh no disarm them because maybe they will live through the death camps or experiment hospitals is disgusting and I just can't talk to anymore, you cherry pick data, Lie and say twisted garbage this is over, you need help seriously, I'm happy to debate but I can't tolerate filth
ANTICARBONTAX 3 weeks ago
@ANTICARBONTAX
When the Nazis came to power, the Jewish population of Germany was a mere 505,000 - 0.75% of the population. NOT 6 MILLION. SO YOUR POINT IS INVALID.
Most of those killed in the Holocaust came from Russia and Poland. The Germans had to go through the fucking Polish and Soviet armies to get them! The Einzatzgruppen were specifically designed to deal with a troublesome populace!
Gun ownership would have done nothing to stop the Holocaust, that's just a fact.
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444 Gun ownership would have done nothing to stop the Holocaust, that's just a fact.
Not true if the 6 million Jews in all counties were armed, Men Women and Children were armed there would have been no camps because they would have died fighting like the 40 to 50 million Russians did who killed thousands of Germans, mostly as snipers. So your point of just lay down and burn in an oven is disgusting. I'v seen Docos of Russian civilian towns who held back hundreds of Germans.
ANTICARBONTAX 3 weeks ago
@ANTICARBONTAX Oh please, the SA alone was 3 million strong in 1934. There was never any chance of isolated communities repelling the Germans.
Of course I would want the Jews to fight back wherever they could - don't get me wrong. You are misrepresenting what I said. I am trying to point out that Whittle's point is invalid, you are arguing that I have condemned the Jews. Not true. Many Jews did arm themselves.
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444 Germany under