Under normal circumstances, I find quackery rather amusing but these are not normal circumstances as the implications can be life threatening. This case study is a perfect example. Its no wonder with the anti science mentality of contemporary America that denial ideas have a foothold. Rhetorical musing is always going to be more sexy than peer reviewed literature, but denial of reality does not make it less of a reality. Most aids denialists are textbook sociopaths under the DSM-IV-TR
I can understand people struggling to accept a particular diagnosis, but to ignore the possibility of another being affected because of your actions is beyond my comprehension.
She had a duty towards her family and she failed them, her selfishness proves who she regarded as the most important member of her family, and it certainly wasn't her children.
I really hope she realised all this in her last hours.
I hope this whore mom dies....hopefully gang rape or murder......dam too bad i just heard she died of aids related issues. I guess we can hope she died in horrible pain. With any luck maybe the doctor pissed in her OJ.
@brian4480 That's a bit brutal don't you think? Many people get misguided about a lot of things due to their ignorance. Is it there fault that they don't know a lot about HIV and AIDS, even when being told by doctors?
@jshowa7 NO its not a bit brutal......when kids are involved you have a responsibly to not be a wack nut whore. She was not ignorant of HIV and AIDS, she chose to not follow proven fact...she should of be arrested for homicide.
According to toxi-health . com (I don't know if Toxi-Health International have any bias in this of course) Al-Bayati is a PhD in Comparative Pathology.
Can I ask please, does comparative pathology only include animals? You say his degree is in "animal disease pathology". (It also says on the image you use in this video about him, at 5:24 that he's not a pathologist )
I don't know how much it matters, but I'd still like to know :)
A pathologist is a doctor/physician with specialty in disease processes. Al-Bayati is a PhD toxicologist, which 'qualifies' him to do basic research in toxicology.
He is also a dual board certified toxicologist (DABT & DABVT)
DABVT: Diplomate of the American Board of Veterinary Toxicology
DABVT: Diplomate of the American Board of Toxicology
Neither of these is a clinical certification to practice medicine or veterinary medicine.
"The Graduate Group in Comparative Pathology (GGCP) is the core UC Davis graduate program for students interested in disease processes and biomedical research."
It's an interdepartmental degree program for people who want to pursue research.
Sorry, yes, that's his firm, I assumed you knew that... he's the only employee.
I have no reason to doubt that he's a PhD and dual board certified toxicologist. He's got seven papers, all prior to 1995, and all on the effects of vanadate or selenium poisoning in rats or mice. This is an area of research called "Envirotox" for Environmental Toxicology. He has no papers on human subjects or human health, and no training in human clinical practice.
Sorry, no, there aren't any databases of such things that I know of. I usually use PubMed (NCBI/NLM) to see if the person has any published papers if I'm checking scientific credentials.
If you want a PhD, you can go to Thunderwood College and print one off. I have seven. My favorite is my DFA in Baraminology.
This is just Natural Selection in action. Stupid mother manages to breed but "stupid gene" is snuffed out in both mother and child. It would be a great pity if the child didn't have the stupid gene but Evolution can't prevent the mother's stupid gene from homicide. Anyway the gene didn't survive in that line which is one bit of good news in this tragedy.
@bamainatlanta the kid died of AIDS, the only reason she may have not tested positive for HIV is because her retarded mother WOULD NOT have her tested, during the kids autopsy they find that she died of AIDS, stop spreading your bullshit man, you sound like a fucking retard
Fuck you, Foo Fighters, your charity is about as shitty as your new album. I almost don't feel bad that she died, if she was such an active promoter of that dangerous nonsense, maybe her death saved lives.
@kyebean I agree, dumb ass rock band with some stupid political goal without proper education should just shut the heck up when it comes to complicated issues like HIV/AIDS
@taegello yeah, it's good that they want to use their influence and wealth for bettering humanity, but putting it in the wrong direction is worse than nothing.
@kyebean The Foo Fighters withdrew their support from the denialist movement a while back. I can't find the exact date, but they issued a statement saying they were misguided and no longer question whether or not HIV causes AIDS. As for the little girl, it's unfortunate she died, but survival of the fittest clearly covers a parent's ability to properly care for their children. Maybe eventually the idiots will be weeded out?
@cremice78 I wonder if they actually mean it though, it seems like those type of show biz retractions are often just caving because of their nosediving public image rather than an honest change. At this point we have way more power to change our gene pool than natural selection. Which is good because stupid, scummy people actually tend to procreate much more in many modern societies. Also, personality, intellect, etc. has WAY more to do with social environment and education than genetics.
@kyebean Perhaps, or maybe they endorsed the idea after seeing a biased portrayal of the information? Either way, if they aren't endorsing it, they aren't causing harm. Aside from genetic engineering, the gene pool isn't being altered aside from natural selection. Most people survive long enough to reproduce in modern times, so it may take longer to weed out unfavorable traits than it used to. People used to doubt that bacteria caused illness. They either died off or accepted science.
@cremice78 I said we have much more power, not that we are necessarily using it. Human "natural" selection is less natural than any wildlife. There is a social stigma against selective reproduction in our own species. But I think it will disappear as some pioneer it and others see the benefits. Biotech is advancing exponentially so that moves things away from natural selection too.
Very well and eloquenlty said~I commend you for your fine work opposing the denialists and conspiracy theorists. It is truly bizarre that there are people who are so willing to give credence to crackpots and fools, but desire to discredit science whenever and wherever possible. They even post here...
@MobileThinker As pointed out by Greenpeace, that in 10 years the products are becoming useless, and failing as now new forms of weeds have taken over. New types of insects infect the crops. Monsanta, wants to now deploy the technology from Agent Orange to combat all this, and it will be passed without any issues, as they have passed laws that allow them to basically do what they want without any testing or any interference in the US.. watch?v=GJxb7CY13uc
@simwatts I am not one sided. I just know that you can not just change genetic code. Its not as simple as adding a bit here and a bit there. It isnt even tested. I cant believe that you really fall for the hype that comes from the FDA and Monsanta. And that bees are not important. Thats a really nasty way to look at it. Imagine a world with no flowers just because we decided to take over and genetically modify crops. In most cases it is just education. The shortages are more to do with politics.
the disease.. No doubt this will be something else blamed on a retro virus. Although there official stance at the moment is that sufferers are delusional. How can Monsanta, who killed 15 million people, have free reign on genetically modifying anything and not need approval.
@passwordresetisbroke She was good looking lovely person. I am not denying anything about AIDS. I dont think you understand the point. The mechanisms for causing Aids are not understood, and until we start using proper scientific procedures to investigate the problem then we will always have this horrid disease. We have to look at other factors that could have triggered it. It may be HIV, HIV with a co factor, or nothing to do with HIV and nutrition as the discoverer of HIV believes.
1. Why reply to a fairly obvious throw away comment? (IE one that is just meant to show the commenters disdain, rather than provoke any dialog) (Don't bother answering I don't really care)
2. SIV/FIV etc. have all been shown to cause Immunodeficiency. HIV is no different.
3. She killed her daughter. She wasn't a lovely person.
(1) Evidence in the form of an anecdote or hearsay is called anecdotal if there is doubt about its veracity; the evidence itself is considered untrustworthy.
Relying on anecdotes is intuitively a bad idea, but why? When we rely on a very small sample of outcomes, the results may not represent the population as a whole. This is the basis of gambling, alternative medicine, and it's something that science based medicine has very carefully removed from the process.
I just watched one of your videos. That was on GM foods. Another company Monsanta, similar to the drug companies. Completely baffling how you can just let this happen without even so much as a thought. They put genes from antibiotics, 2 viruses some other plant, and something they cant remember, just so it works with round up ready weed killer. This is from a company that already killed 15 million people with agent orange. Shows naivety i think.
@simwatts So now you're accusing C0nc0rdance of using a fake account to call you a conspiracy theorist!?!?.
How thick could someone get, really.
Let me whip my tin foil hat for a sec and think why there's zero content or activity on simwatts channel. What would he use that account for?..uhm.. It's a conspiracy I tell ya!. Now excuse me while I go watch Alex jones' channel..
@mku17ra I dont want any activity on my channel thanks. Your channel is just full of concordance videos. While you are mentioning about Monsanta. Why dont you check the wiki page for agent orange wikipediadotorg/wiki/Agent_Orange. Its shocking. You tell me how Monanta, and the HIV industry are allowed to make and influence US laws. They are freely allowed to modify food genes. Now Morgellons disease came about, there official line is that hundreds of thousands of sufferers are imagining
@simwatts please tell me you are just trolling...otherwise i am gonna start getting really fuckin pissed. also, don't EVER cite wiki as your source, unless you don't want people to take you seriously.
@MobileThinker Listen Agent orange was made and developed by Monsanta. Its just common knowledge, and wikipedia gives an easy understandable account of Agent Orange. If you want me to quote somewhere else, then please tell me. There is no need to quote a science paper. Just ask people in the country who had this forced on them, or some ex vietnam veterans.
@simwatts i have actually spoken to Vietnam veterans, and i am pretty sure most of them have never been exposed to 'agent orange'. also, you should never quote wiki because no one will take you seriously, it isn't even allowed in middle-school.
@MobileThinker I never quoted them before. Its simple terms for simple people sometimes, to get a point through. Agent Orange is well known though. Are you saying it had no effect. Are you in support of Monsanta who introduced genes of bacteria, ecoli and antibiotics into our food. Are you a denier of agent orange. I think Greenpeace would differ from your point of view.
@simwatts i love it when people jump to conclusions based on things i have said that actually had nothing to do with what i said. anyway...i was just saying that most people won't take you seriously if you quote wiki, and that i know a few veterans who were unaffected. and actually i am in support of putting antibiotics in food, if it will help the general population.
@MobileThinker That has got to be the most dumb statement on here. You do not understand genetics or medical issues one bit. Do you understand that it is not adding antibiotics, but adding a gene from antibiotics. Adding antibiotics anyway, on a regular basis is bad, fungal infections breed, and certain organisms evolve to be resistant to antibiotics. This is not for any purpose apart from it to work with roundup ready Monsanta products. You are adding genes from a virus, or bacteria to plants.
@simwatts first, you never stated anything about gene manipulation. second, yest organisms evolve, they will always change. correct me if i am wrong, buy you are against genetically modified food, right? finally, if you do nothing to protect crops, and allow insects to do what they want, you loose a massive amount of the crop, reducing, significantly, the amount that actually makes it to people...also, are you for or against 'organic' food?
@MobileThinker I dont know if you saw all the news articles today, about the bee population. They have died as a direct result of these methods. Even small amounts can wipe a colony of bees. They are integral to how plants reproduce. I dont see the logic of genetically modifying food to be resistant to a fertilizer that kills all the bees. Concordance who puts all these videos up compares it to selective breeding,of dogs he is full of bad facts and misleading info.
@simwatts actually, the majority of gene modification truly is just selective breeding, while there is actual tampering with genes, it comprises a small part of it. now there are drawbacks, but how are we ever gonna move forward if we do not try? should we leave the crops alone, and tell 1 billion people that they need to leave the earth? the earth, with current conditions, cannot support the amount of human life on it...the only answer is either kill people or gene modification, which one?
@MobileThinker The PR Media tell you there is a problem. Many countries dont even want there crap. In Haiti they actually burned all the Aid from Monsanta. They sent millions. Crops are failing with all this GM ready stuff. It took 10 years for certain breeds of insects, and superweeds to develop. All it does is make it resiliant with round up ready products. Thats all. Bees are a more important integral part of agriculture for pollination. And they do introduce bacteria, antibiotics to plants.
@simwatts Bees are less important when we can grow crops without the need for natural pollination. however, bees are more important for a stable ecosystem, compared to the survival the the human species. genetically modified does not only mean more resistant to weeds and bugs, it also means more resistant to the elements as well as larger and more seeds produced. you are seriously only taking a one sided glance at this issue, there is more than just Monsanta and GM resistant crops.
People like you like to read the media, and have your mind made up for you. Your brain is supposed to question and reason, and make judgements based on information it has assembled, and that is what intelligence is. If Bono says HIV is Aids then it must be true.
If people would challenge him, which is what he wants, and prove him wrong, then he would go away. They cant. So they just call him names in the media. And people like you just seem to fall hook line and sinker for the HIV PR. Its about factually proven correct science. Not a theory. HIV is a theory. It is not fact. Some people have difficulty trying to grasp that concept. It was never conclusively proven, and until that point it has to be debated and argued. Like Global warming, like banking.
The vermin spewed by the conspiracy theorists is dumbfounding
"Peter Deusberg is a legend. The world needs more people like him. I really cant believe that people still believe that HIV exists, causes AIDS, and that is is contagious. Or even question it."
@mku17ra Whats your point on this. I dont understand. You posted a link to another post. Its not a conspiracy theory mate. Its called science. If you cant handle proper scientific protocol, and believe someone investigated for fraud on numerous occasions by different governments ie Gallo, then I feel sorry for you. When you get your facts in order come back. Duesburg has the balls to speak out, and that is why he is a hero. Not some muppet like you who reads magazines and thinks he is a phd!!
I dont think you know that AZT can not be admitted to have killed people. They can not afford all the lawsuits. That is the US government by the way. not the drug companies, which approved it without testing. It would bring the US government to its knees.
...and simwatts...news flash!! ...there is NO "CURE"!! ...not even for 45 of 70 women!! ...and there cant be ANY side effects of AZT that are so bad, they arent worth taking and saving your childs life!! ...right??
@oldhipichk You have to see it from her point of view. She survived in a group of women who all died within a year on AZT. If you had seen that and you was still alive 18 years later than everyone else, would you give your child medicine, knowing it had killed everyone else she knew. There is still nothng known about this medicine. People still die on it. By liver failure. There is a lot of wrong, and misleading statistics and science.
Dont be ignorant!! ...if anyone wants to know where to go to get a free test, no matter where u r @, if u cant find it, leave a msg here and i will chk back, and no matter where u r at, i will be happy to find where u can get a FREE TEST!! ..and in most cases, free medicine as well. ...and all the info u can read!! ...CORRECT INFO, from baylor college, and other reliable sources.
..and think abt this...would COncOrdance, or me, for that matter, take this time if we werent positive we're RIGHT?!
@oldhipichk Listen. Anyone who says they are positive they are correct in this subject is a liar. This is the whole problem For everyone you mention there are a hundred more who survived without the medication. Diseases dont work that way luv. You cant have people surviving without any medication from 1980. Why is that not mentioned. You focus on the ones who died. There are 30 thousand people die in the uk every year with pneumonia. Young and old. It has happened for centuries.
please learn from her mistakes!! what she did, ..or didnt do, OBVIOUSLY DID *NOT* WORK!! hiv/aids is a managable disease, and people no longer die of it. ..oh, and to get the record str8...u dont get exposed to hiv and never know it until 10 years l8r. it shows up on a reg western blot hiv test in 8-14 weeks. when they say 5-10 years to show up, thats until u get SICK, if u arent ever tested!! ..and lets face it, we all know when we have taken unnecessary risks. if its been 14 weeks, GET TESTED!
...were there some magical words i didnt think of to say, that mite have saved their lives? ..she was obviously much more "intelligent" than i was. how was she so uneducated? ..blind? it is quite saddening how this has turned out for them. HIV/AIDS is an accepted illness now, no one would judge her. ..certianly not as much as people have judged her NOT taking steps to save Eliza and herself, thats for sure!! people, please have protected sex. get tested. SAVE YOUR LIFE!! only YOU *can*!!
when i read that her child had died, it hurt my heart badly!! then hearing that SHE lost the battle as well, ..WHAT A LOSS!! when the little girl died, that should have been her clue 2 get PROPER medical care for herself, so that her son wouldnt grow up w/o his mom? ...and worse, leave her husband to raise him alone!! that poor man was so in love w her that even when he didnt seem 2 agree, he sat quietly, dutifully by her side. as if he were afraid to speak!! ...did " I " try hard enough?
she could have stopped the meds. how could a woman i thought seemed so intelligent, come to a match of facts, so unarmed?!! there is nothing that could ever happen to me, ..or that i could cause happen to myself, that i would be so ashamed of, that i would even CHANCE the possibility to sacrifice my child over, rather than just be honest with MYSELF, let alone anyone else. who gives a shit, as long as my child would be alive and well??!! ...why couldnt she care enuf 4 her children to even TRY IT
if she would have listened to me, and many other people, she would still be alive today!! ..more importantly, so would her little girl!! they would still be planning the rest of their lives!! i thought Christine seemed so well spoken, and a beautiful person outside as well. she seemed way too educated to be so ignorant!! made no sense to me. still doesnt. was she so ashamed that she couldnt admit to herself, that she was sick long enough to just try the meds? if she didnt think it was working..
they could screw eachother to death!! ...LITERALLY! but myself, and everyone else in the audience was baffeled at the selfishness they displayed at not testing their beautiful children!! i held her hand for the moment we had during the break, and i tried to make her hear me, when i begged her to save their babies lives!! i had nothing against Christine, i didnt even know who she was. i only wanted her to give her children a fair chance!!
...i was set on national t.v., across from Christine, in a debate to test, or not to test. i had no idea who she was, or what her accomplishments were, or anything. all i knew, was that she was HIV+, and she and her husband saw no reason to have protected sex, first of all.. like i told them.. if he wasnt concerned he could die, and she could somehow say how much she loved him yet live with herself taking the risk of stealing the full life he had originally planned, FINE!!
it just blows me away, that dispite all of the information available now days, people still live on the perpetual "God Syndrome", and believe that their belief alone will somehow make their HIV diagnosis some way, disappear!! how can such ignorance still be alive, with the information we all have available to us today??!!! ...if you have the ability to see this message, you have the ability to educate yourselves!!
under a mile of ice 10 thousand years ago. That is higher than you can imagine. 5 times higher than the empire state building, but covering thousands of square miles. However the media tells me its my fault. So I must stop farting lol. I really cant believe you actually believe all this. You say its good science because you are told it is. Even though evidence says otherwise. How stupid are you. You are complete fools, who have no objective perception on anything. Stick to watching soap operas.
@freemanbrook Whats happened to everyone. I thought you would be able to convince me with your over whelming evidence. I really think you cant answer my questions. Maybe you have doubts yourselves. HIV is similar to global warming. Its one big PR machine. I really thought I would be growing grapes in the outer Hebrides, as this is what the media told me!!!. Common sense tells me the earth has been getting warmer for the last ten thousand years. For instance, in Scotland I would have been
What does hundreds of billions of pounds of research money do. Well they invented a cream gel that women can use. They tested it on 100 women, and instead of 70 of the 100 getting infected with hiv, only 45 got infected. If that is science??? The fact 45 women got infected, and they are selling it as a possible cure is really scary. What sort of research is that. Its dangerous. They are quick to put any other research down, but their own as long as it earns more dollars.
Infact in most cases in Africa, if you die of three symptoms then you have died of aids. The common illnesses pneumonia, weight loss, skin diseases and diarohhea are caused by deficiency in zinc, and it is very common. Its called the bundi criteria i think.
Respond to this video...Thats not how viruses work. I told you before. Zinc deficiency causes all the symptoms of Aids. That is well known. Maybe that is what is getting you confused. Zinc deficiency is common in drug users, homosexual men and Africans, and can be passed via breast milk. I posted the published papers.
@freemanbrook So who is this vitamin salesman Rath. I have not mentioned him. You have?? I believe in viruses. You make antibodies to them. They are normally harmless after that, or there effects are normally for a few days to a few weeks after. I am a bit suspicious of some supervirus that hides, and then comes out like pokeman, ten years later and starts eating all your t cells, and can only be controlled by very expensive drugs.
The media,really made her life horrible . Her life was hell, and she seemed a really nice,genuine person, regardless of her beliefs. It must be really nice for her family to know that people like you dance on her grave, You just completely believe what you read in your magazines, and call her an idiot even though you never met her, or understand the full story.
No she was not an idiot. That is a horrid thing to say. She was actually for Aids, and was part of a womans group who spoke about aids issues. All the people on drugs died in her group within a year. Two survivors out of 14 never took drugs, and were alive 18 years later. She lived 18 years longer than the other people who took the AZT.
Like I say, I have an open mind about this topic. Lets hope you can too and can read into this subject more, before you start calling people ignorant, a denialist, and twisting facts. It is very important for the whole of science that this disease is looked into properly. There is a real possibility, that a lot of people cant seem to understand that, hiv may not be, or may not solely be the cause of aids. There is also a real possibility it could have been caused by factors such as nutrition.
@freemanbrook Intentionally ignorant?? I have done my research. I have a masters in human and computer science, and I enjoy looking into the subject objectively. I work for one of the names you mentioned, and have designed neural networks to look at dna. That is why I am interested. . It is always enlightening when someone comes up with new stuff. I like to look at every angle, but it is infuriating when someone believes in something and they don't know why. They refuse to look at facts,
Does this statement exist!!!!. Did you just make it up???. I been searching for an hour. I am quite sure that it would have been mentioned quite a few times in googles search engines.
However they have admitted that their are people without hiv who have aids recently. I am not sure if hiv has changed again. It may cause a whole new range of diseases, so be prepared.
There are many patients who have classic AIDS symptoms but no HIV. As you say the only reason they have Aids is because they have hiv. The fact people have the same illnesses without HIV is not important to you. We will just ignore that fact shall we. Its bad for statistics.
@freemanbrook Lentivirus (lenti-, Latin for "slow") is a genus of slow viruses of the Retroviridae family, I am not sure what you mean here. You are saying it is not common. It is not a virus. I think you maybe agree with me more than you think lol.
@freemanbrook questions, and to debate. In other areas of science this is still very much in practice and encouraged, but not in this area. I dont believe some people question anything. I question everything. And if you prove to me that HIV causes AIDS conclusively, and not possibly then I am happy. So now you have to prove to me that HIV causes AIDS.
@freemanbrook Not doubting anything you say but I am trying to find this on the internet. insipid bit of denialist trash brings zero results on google. Did you go to houseofnumbersdotorg that is a website from the drug companies. You cannot leave comments on. Or Aidstruth. That is another. Also the word denialist and aids denialist means you deny aids. It is a shallow put down for anyone who questions the cause of aids. That is what science is. That is how it is supposed to work. To openly ask
@freemanbrook Just today they mentioned, that HIV can be cured from replacing BONE MARROW. What does that say. Well it says that 100 thousand scientists and billions of pounds, and if it does cause AIDS, they may have got some of the very basics of the disease completely wrong. Unless its evolved again or is a different strain. Maybe there is a strain that lives in the lymphatic system and one in bone marrow, and one in the gut. They did say that this is very expensive compared to their drugs.
@simwatts I take it you made that up then. How come with your overwhelming evidence :-). People like you are why it is so easy to make money. You will believe anything, because people tell you to believe something. You need to approach everything in life with an open heart, and an open mind. Never accept anything as fact unless you know its fact. ~What we learned from bankers will tell you one thing. As long as people believed in them, nothing could fail. It was people like you who made them.
@freemanbrook There are people with Aids with no HIV. People with HIV with no Aids. What I was saying before was that AIDS symptoms are caused by Zinc deficiency. That is well known but not explained very often. Exactly the same symptoms. The whole industry is saying that there is a common virus, and that the symptoms are caused by this virus.If you can explain the symptoms without the virus affecting these groups, then there is a strong possibility the virus does not need to be in the equation.
How disappointing. You and I, through the process of scientific hypothesis falsification, clearly showed that Zn deficiency did not correlate with AIDS prevalence. We falsified your hypothesis that Zinc deficiency rates would correlate to AIDS prevalence in at least six countries or regions.
When you have personally participated in falsifying a hypothesis, yet you still cling to it, that's called denialism.
Normally he would be branded through the PR bandwagon as an Aids denialist They cant, because he discovered HIV lol. Not only that they stole his work, and tried to make money off it. Bob Gallo said it was his idea, and that is how the whole industry began. He has sued. He has also previously mentioned that there was a possibility HIV is benign, or harmless.
@freemanbrook “If you take a poor African who’s been infected and you build up their immune system, is it possible for them to also naturally get rid of it [HIV]?”. Montagnier responds, “I would think so…It’s important knowledge that is completely neglected. People always think of drugs and vaccines.”
@freemanbrook So who would you believe. Luc Montagnier, the man who found HIV and won the Nobel Prize for the discovery or the bankers and drug companies.
@freemanbrook That is exactly what I am saying. It is the collapse of the immune system. I dont think you understand what I was saying. If you watch this video from the discoverer of HIV you might understand HIV does exist, but as you may understand the mechanisms were never proven conclusively. Just because HIV exists it is not necessarily the cause. It may have a minor, major or no role whatsoever. The immune system is the key. Not HIV. youtube.com/watch?v=tKyIBYKoT20
Check this out. /watch?v=n4eMkdYhaZE&NR=1&feature=fvwp. You can freely research other theories in Italy by the way, and some other countries. That is how it should be.
Would it interest you to know that Dr. Ruggiero has never worked with HIV? He's a pediatric radiologist. He's also a coauthor with Peter Duesberg, and author of a paper in Med Hypotheses in 2009 that was withdrawn for "lack of quality".
You need to start questioning where your information comes from. Apply that skeptical mind to your own position.
@C0nc0rdance I just posted that. Just found it intersting : It was about Yamamoto wasnt it. He was the virologist he was mentioning. Thought you may have heard of him because he was supposed to have published virology papers.
For the record, there is nothing preventing someone from doing research on anything they like. The ICR does "creation research". The Discovery Institute do "ID research".
Peter Duesberg could take some of the money from his speaker fees, the sales of books, the money he's gotten from Rath Vitamins, Inc. to sell their products and use them to generate some data in support of his hypothesis.
He should start by setting his lab up to handle HIV, which he has never worked with.
@C0nc0rdance I never qouted Peter Duesburg. Not that I have got anything against him, However, he, is a pioneer in his work with cancer and other diseases. People seem to neglect the fact he is one of the top scientists in the world. He was working with retroviruses around 45 years ago, first, to characterise their structural proteins, He isolated the first cancer gene. Also admitted to academy of science. So why cut his funding because of speaking out. Why not welcome it and prove him wrong.
Peter Duesberg is not one of the top scientists in the world. Let me give you a simple illustration in number of hits in PubMed, the database of research papers :
Montagnier L (311)
Gallo RC (892)
Goldstein MR (178) cholesterol
Murad F (330) NO2 expert
Gilman A (332) G-proteins
Duesberg PH (145)
We can repeat the exercise with impact factors, if you prefer.
Duesberg has published ONE paper since 2003 that wasn't retracted by the journal.
@C0nc0rdance What has that got to do with it??. So being the first to map the cancer gene, and retroviruses does not count, probably before you was born. Also being on the Academy of Science. Its just about getting work published.Is that what science has become. I dont know how aware you was of difficulties for other scientists getting work published. I suggest you watch the Gallo link I sent you. Montganier tried and tried to get something published and the only way was to go through Gallo.
No, the first cancer gene was isolated by Bishop and Varmus. Duesberg was just sequencing it after their discovery in 1979, which earned them the Nobel for discovering oncogenes. Varmus has 393 hits, Bishop has 500, by the way.
Duesberg has never worked with a single lentivirus, a very specialized class of retroviruses known about for over 150 years. He has never been funded to study them, and he does not have the capability or experience to work with HIV.
That is why we should evaluate from the beginning. Go back in time. Re evaluate everything in a proper scientific manner Form a unbiased group. Could mistakes be made. Could we have got things wrong. Is it healthy to disregard everyone who questions the hypothesis. Are there financial interests. Is it a disease. Is it malnutrition. What is AIDS?? You tell me your definition.
@simwatts As you mentioned with Einstein. He got things wrong. But he admitted that. But what he got right was so conclusive noone can prove him wrong.
@simwatts The point is it is something causes a catastrophic collapse of the immune system. That is WHAT AIDS IS. That is all it is!!!. A collapse of the immune system, not a group of diseases .It was decided early on it was a disease. Some statistical evidence that might be true, might be a co factor, or might be completely wrong. Anyone who says that they know they are completely correct in this area is a liar. The human brain and body is more complex than we can comprehend.
You keep sending dead links. Can you please cite articles as:
Journal (Year) Volume: Page ? Even first author and title would be beneficial. I work within 5 minutes of a major medical library, it would be no problem to pull the articles.
Questions had been raised over the use of zinc because HIV thrives on zinc for its structure. Every cell needs zinc not just hiv. All Immunological functions require zinc.
Yes, zinc is important. It plays a role in zinc finger proteins, cofactors for enzymes, and it's part of the ionic balance of the cell. You find it in ceruloplasm, and it competes with copper in certain enzymes.
However, we are quite familiar with zinc deficiency. It does not cause AIDS. If it did, we could rescue the symptoms with supplements. We would see a pattern of disease based on dietary intake. We could measure the deficiency in serum.
@C0nc0rdance OK. What is AIDS. Can you define it. Its the most incredible diverse set of diseases. A group of diseases they add to once in a while. I think there were two or three originally. Most are the same as diseases caused by zinc deficiency, and explains fluctuations in T cell counts. Who decides what AIDS is. Do you do that. Not only does the virus change so does AIDS. It is the most incredibly intelligent virus ever, and has evolved into this shape changing assassin.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4463920.stm This is from 2005. Note that although it gets rid of effects "There is now an internationally agreed commitment to increase antiretroviral treatment access for children, and while this study is interesting, we must be careful not to allow its findings to shift attention away from this aim of supplying universal access to antiretroviral therapy for all children who need it.". People with a healthy, balanced diet should not normally be deficient in zinc.
This was the retraction. Apparently in his own words. ?? From a purely political point of view, Mbeki’s standpoint is admirable to some, given the harsh history Africa has had with the West. However, this should not mean that HIV does not cause AIDS. He has pledged to reaffirm the official government position in support of the scientifically demonstrated link between HIV infection and AIDS.
Mbeki’s position notwithstanding, HIV does exist. And it is the cause of AIDS.
@simwatts Point is Why. Regardless of whether hiv is the cause or not. Why was his research dismissed. They even went to say that his tablets were dearer in any case. Every angle. It was proven that they had a drastic and instant effect. This was later dismissed and they will not repeat the experiment saying that it distracts from the drugs.
@simwatts Note- Notice the clever wording. The retraction is mentioning Mbeki not Mbakaya. Mbeki is the South African leader who was criticised for the AIDS upserge. They somehow merged the two together. Even though they are different countries. And then made it look like Mbakaya had retracted comments. He never did anything apart from undergo a study on Zinc and try to publish his findings. This really hit a nerve.
@simwatts FACTUALLY INCORRECT. As much as HIV/AIDS has become an industry, now is not the time to challenge the “HIV causes AIDS” theory, not when it has become the single biggest killer of human beings on earth.
@simwatts in any case the cost of anti-retrovirals is now less than Sh6,000 per month, down over 95 per cent a year ago. The proposed cost of the zinc nutrition supplement is Sh300 for three sachets a day which translates to Sh9,000 a month, one half more than the cost of proven, properly tested medicine.
There was some remarkable research by Charles Mbakaya. He was experimenting with Zinc. It really hit a nerve with the AIDS industry. They made him retract his claims. I think he managed to get some papers published but that was on of his experiments.
VIUSID, reduces the viral load in HIV positive individuals by more than 50 percent, and, in 19 percent of the patients, it reduced it to undetectable levels. Within three months of using the supplement, 80 per cent of the patients reported that signs and symptoms associated with HIV had resolved, and opportunistic infections had disappeared. Clinically, the VIUSID supplement, which is produced by a Spanish company, has no marked side effects.
The whole point is that we are told this was a new disease. The symptoms are not new, and yet have been known about since the 60s, or when the first studies of Zinc were conducted. Most people who die of pneumonia, have diarrhoea and weight loss in Africa, which is common, may have died from Zinc deficiency. They are the same symptoms. They make a diagnosis based on this. That is the criteria for saying someone died of AIDS.
By the way I have evidence that they knew at the time that lack of Zinc caused AIDS related symptoms. That was from Robert Good, the father of modern immunology. It was his research assistant who went to the CDC because he didnt believe him and said it was a contagious disease affecting gay men. From the article it says that gay men are zinc deficient. This is similar to the scurvy epidemic. Because it affected a group it was believed it was a contagious disease.
@simwatts ie. It was affecting specific groups who were in contact with each other, led to a theory that this is something that is spread by sexual activity, and was somehow detracting from the other research done with Zinc deficiency at the time.
Good theories are predictive. Agreed? If I can predict with statistical accuracy who will progress to AIDS, I've got a useful tool.
HIV status is predictive for AIDS progression. Zinc deficiency is not. 92% of HIV+ patients eventually progress to AIDS. HIV+ patients are 160 times more likely to develop AIDS than HIV- patients. There's no other risk factor that even comes close at being predictive of AIDS progression.
I queries "MSM zinc" in Medline, and there's only one article. J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr. 2000 Oct 1;25, but their conclusion was more related to selenium's role than zinc. There's absolutely nothing in the literature to support that zinc is a primary etiology for AIDS progression. It contributes to the pathology, yes, but is not precipitave.
A simple test would be if supplementation stopped disease progression, which it doesn't.
@C0nc0rdance I will send you the zinc papers. Just one thing Concordance. I am not a denialist. This term is used rather loosely for anyone who questions the hypothesis. That is wrong. Aids the disease I believe in. I only question the mechanisms. That is healthy and if you follow a particular paradigm it is up to you to prove me wrong. This is a "in their own words" interview from one of the so called founders of the AIDS virus. You are intelligent so I am sure you can pick holes in this.
I'm not sure why you bring up the fact that the initial AIDS patients repeatedly tested negative for zinc deficiency?
Actually the default position is always the one currently supported by the preponderance of evidence. We've already falsified your hypothesis repeatedly. It makes predictions we know are false, and fails to be as explanatory or predictive as the current model.
@C0nc0rdance Because it needs to be investigated. All avenues need to be investigated and properly explored. You cant conduct science with blinkers on. And when your theory gets contradicted call them a denialist in the media. There are a lot of holes in the HIV theory. I am not saying that HIV does not exist is not the cause, but lets look at it from the beginning. Could mistakes have been made. I have made some rather revealing points there. With evidence.
@simwatts The whole AIDS symptom thing was not new. The same symptoms happened to zinc deficient patients. The whole AIDS thing was thought because it was targetting a specific group who were in contact with each other. ie I point to history';s mistakes with scurvy, and the 100s of years looking for a virus or parasite. The fact is if you can get the same AIDS symptoms without HIV in the equation that targets gay men, drug users, and Africans, can pass from mother to baby, can be passed
If you notice Robert Good f said it was Zinc deficiency or malnutrition. The top guy. The researchers serendipitous moment lol he went to the CDC. The whole basis for AIDS is that it was a disease and not a zinc deficiency. It was not new. ie Gay men and drug users were not zinc deficient. The previous paper I sent you conclusively proves that Homosexual men were zinc deficient. That is the same with drug users,. People in Africa, and homosexuals. How else can put all these groups together.
What? You seem to be contradicting yourself, so I can't figure out what you are trying to indicate.
Pneumocystis is an airborne sporulating/trophozoite fungus. Cysts are probably in the room you are in right now. It's been found in every animal we've ever looked for it in. It's just near impossible to culture on a plate (ex vivo).
@simwatts Also if you notice. Dr. [Robert] Gallo's group, for example, was an independent entity that did not wish to maintain communication with our group. They got their own specimens and made progress independently of our group. That was the way it began.
@simwatts Also if you notice Robert Gallo did not have his own specimens. He pinched them of montganier, and tried to claim that it was his own work. Also if you notice Montganier the discoverer of HIV, the one who won the nobel prize believes me rather than you. ie he says it is due to oxiditive stress and malnutrition. Fauci he ridicules. However you will still believe bad science, corruption. I bet you believed bankers. You would not believe how ridiculed I got to question them.
I admire skepticism when it is equally applied. What are your sources for the evil things that Robert Gallo did? Is it a reputable history book? Can you cite it for me, please?
Likewise, what are your sources for Montagnier's claim? Is it a denialist interview? Has he made any further statements on the topic, clarifications, for example? Does his published work reflect those statements?
You are being propagandized, simwatts, fed false data. You just aren't aware of it.
I've asked for the paper to be cited properly, please. The link was broken.
I really don't care if Robert Good thinks AIDS is caused by microscopic wolverines. The fact is that he has 20 well-published papers on HIV and its etiological relationship to AIDS. He's also published on zinc, but never as a causative agent in AIDS progression.
Are you getting this? You need actual data in support of your hypothesis. Do you have any?
You need to stop using names as evidence. Unless the data is published in a refereed source, I'm not that interested in it. It's not as though anyone in science has some privileged secret knowledge. I know as much as Luc Montagnier about immunology, or I at least have access to the same material. I probably know a good deal more about the non-primate lentiviruses. He may have read some of my papers and learned from my research. I don't know.
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sweetclaire06 3 weeks ago
Under normal circumstances, I find quackery rather amusing but these are not normal circumstances as the implications can be life threatening. This case study is a perfect example. Its no wonder with the anti science mentality of contemporary America that denial ideas have a foothold. Rhetorical musing is always going to be more sexy than peer reviewed literature, but denial of reality does not make it less of a reality. Most aids denialists are textbook sociopaths under the DSM-IV-TR
supaflyrobby 4 weeks ago
I can understand people struggling to accept a particular diagnosis, but to ignore the possibility of another being affected because of your actions is beyond my comprehension.
She had a duty towards her family and she failed them, her selfishness proves who she regarded as the most important member of her family, and it certainly wasn't her children.
I really hope she realised all this in her last hours.
HarrysSecret 1 month ago
I hope this whore mom dies....hopefully gang rape or murder......dam too bad i just heard she died of aids related issues. I guess we can hope she died in horrible pain. With any luck maybe the doctor pissed in her OJ.
brian4480 1 month ago
@brian4480 That's a bit brutal don't you think? Many people get misguided about a lot of things due to their ignorance. Is it there fault that they don't know a lot about HIV and AIDS, even when being told by doctors?
jshowa7 1 month ago
@jshowa7 NO its not a bit brutal......when kids are involved you have a responsibly to not be a wack nut whore. She was not ignorant of HIV and AIDS, she chose to not follow proven fact...she should of be arrested for homicide.
brian4480 1 month ago
Runny nose? Must be an ear infection! Hurr durr...
FilterExel 1 month ago
C0nc0rdance, if I may ask:
According to toxi-health . com (I don't know if Toxi-Health International have any bias in this of course) Al-Bayati is a PhD in Comparative Pathology.
Can I ask please, does comparative pathology only include animals? You say his degree is in "animal disease pathology". (It also says on the image you use in this video about him, at 5:24 that he's not a pathologist )
I don't know how much it matters, but I'd still like to know :)
TheAnMish 1 month ago
@TheAnMish
A pathologist is a doctor/physician with specialty in disease processes. Al-Bayati is a PhD toxicologist, which 'qualifies' him to do basic research in toxicology.
He is also a dual board certified toxicologist (DABT & DABVT)
DABVT: Diplomate of the American Board of Veterinary Toxicology
DABVT: Diplomate of the American Board of Toxicology
Neither of these is a clinical certification to practice medicine or veterinary medicine.
C0nc0rdance 1 month ago
@C0nc0rdance
Here's how UC Davis describes their program:
"The Graduate Group in Comparative Pathology (GGCP) is the core UC Davis graduate program for students interested in disease processes and biomedical research."
It's an interdepartmental degree program for people who want to pursue research.
C0nc0rdance 1 month ago
@C0nc0rdance Okay.. where do I find a list of his actual credentials, for example? Is there a site that is trustworthy on that?
I just read a bit more closely at Toxi-health, and it's his own firm. So obviously, there's a huge dose of bias there. :D
And thank you, btw, for responding so quickly. I really appreciate it.
TheAnMish 1 month ago
@TheAnMish
Sorry, yes, that's his firm, I assumed you knew that... he's the only employee.
I have no reason to doubt that he's a PhD and dual board certified toxicologist. He's got seven papers, all prior to 1995, and all on the effects of vanadate or selenium poisoning in rats or mice. This is an area of research called "Envirotox" for Environmental Toxicology. He has no papers on human subjects or human health, and no training in human clinical practice.
C0nc0rdance 1 month ago
Here's an example publication:
J Environ Pathol Toxicol Oncol. 1989 Dec;9(5-6):435-55.
Time and dose-response study of the effects of vanadate on rats: morphological and biochemical changes in organs.
C0nc0rdance 1 month ago
@C0nc0rdance Thank you :)
Is there any site that you can point me towards, that is a good place to check people's credentials?
I don't assume it's that easy.. but since you make so many videos where you have to check these things, you'll know where to look? :)
TheAnMish 1 month ago
@TheAnMish
Sorry, no, there aren't any databases of such things that I know of. I usually use PubMed (NCBI/NLM) to see if the person has any published papers if I'm checking scientific credentials.
If you want a PhD, you can go to Thunderwood College and print one off. I have seven. My favorite is my DFA in Baraminology.
C0nc0rdance 1 month ago
@C0nc0rdance lol, that's awesome :D
Thank you for being so patient with me.
TheAnMish 1 month ago
I find it ironic that she called her daughter Eliza. This is because that is the name of the test they use for testing for hiv.
ANOTHERHOLEINYOHEAD 1 month ago
But what about her son and husband?
endofscene 2 months ago
Wikipedia as your source...lol... thats the best you can come up with shill ?
billjoe39 5 months ago
Eppure si muove.
AndrusPr8 5 months ago
I don't know what to click on this video. What does it imply if I click "Like"?
bannor99 6 months ago
wow I use too like the foo fighters till now
ziasyn 9 months ago
This is just Natural Selection in action. Stupid mother manages to breed but "stupid gene" is snuffed out in both mother and child. It would be a great pity if the child didn't have the stupid gene but Evolution can't prevent the mother's stupid gene from homicide. Anyway the gene didn't survive in that line which is one bit of good news in this tragedy.
warren52nz 9 months ago
This child was never shown to be HIV positive. Stop spreading lies just to promote your view that HIV causes AIDS.
bamainatlanta 9 months ago
@bamainatlanta the kid died of AIDS, the only reason she may have not tested positive for HIV is because her retarded mother WOULD NOT have her tested, during the kids autopsy they find that she died of AIDS, stop spreading your bullshit man, you sound like a fucking retard
hitcan79 7 months ago
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@bamainatlanta You need help. Proper mental assistance for your worrying warped frame of being.
Clempt90 1 month ago
Fuck you, Foo Fighters, your charity is about as shitty as your new album. I almost don't feel bad that she died, if she was such an active promoter of that dangerous nonsense, maybe her death saved lives.
kyebean 10 months ago 7
@kyebean I agree, dumb ass rock band with some stupid political goal without proper education should just shut the heck up when it comes to complicated issues like HIV/AIDS
taegello 10 months ago
@taegello yeah, it's good that they want to use their influence and wealth for bettering humanity, but putting it in the wrong direction is worse than nothing.
kyebean 10 months ago
@kyebean amen man, Same feelings i have for the Foo Fighters too
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@kyebean The Foo Fighters withdrew their support from the denialist movement a while back. I can't find the exact date, but they issued a statement saying they were misguided and no longer question whether or not HIV causes AIDS. As for the little girl, it's unfortunate she died, but survival of the fittest clearly covers a parent's ability to properly care for their children. Maybe eventually the idiots will be weeded out?
cremice78 1 month ago
@cremice78 I wonder if they actually mean it though, it seems like those type of show biz retractions are often just caving because of their nosediving public image rather than an honest change. At this point we have way more power to change our gene pool than natural selection. Which is good because stupid, scummy people actually tend to procreate much more in many modern societies. Also, personality, intellect, etc. has WAY more to do with social environment and education than genetics.
kyebean 1 month ago
@kyebean Perhaps, or maybe they endorsed the idea after seeing a biased portrayal of the information? Either way, if they aren't endorsing it, they aren't causing harm. Aside from genetic engineering, the gene pool isn't being altered aside from natural selection. Most people survive long enough to reproduce in modern times, so it may take longer to weed out unfavorable traits than it used to. People used to doubt that bacteria caused illness. They either died off or accepted science.
cremice78 1 month ago
@cremice78 I said we have much more power, not that we are necessarily using it. Human "natural" selection is less natural than any wildlife. There is a social stigma against selective reproduction in our own species. But I think it will disappear as some pioneer it and others see the benefits. Biotech is advancing exponentially so that moves things away from natural selection too.
kyebean 1 month ago
who said that altertive macdince is better,
abarrathemaster 11 months ago
It's one thing to kill yourself, it's another to let your own child die because of your own fucking stupidity. Burn in hell Christine.
SpicyWeiner777 11 months ago
so are they saying her mother killed her? by not giving her meds? from what I have read, I agree. alive and well is a bunch of crackpots.
musiclover2161 11 months ago
Very well and eloquenlty said~I commend you for your fine work opposing the denialists and conspiracy theorists. It is truly bizarre that there are people who are so willing to give credence to crackpots and fools, but desire to discredit science whenever and wherever possible. They even post here...
pontecanis 1 year ago
@MobileThinker As pointed out by Greenpeace, that in 10 years the products are becoming useless, and failing as now new forms of weeds have taken over. New types of insects infect the crops. Monsanta, wants to now deploy the technology from Agent Orange to combat all this, and it will be passed without any issues, as they have passed laws that allow them to basically do what they want without any testing or any interference in the US.. watch?v=GJxb7CY13uc
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts I am not one sided. I just know that you can not just change genetic code. Its not as simple as adding a bit here and a bit there. It isnt even tested. I cant believe that you really fall for the hype that comes from the FDA and Monsanta. And that bees are not important. Thats a really nasty way to look at it. Imagine a world with no flowers just because we decided to take over and genetically modify crops. In most cases it is just education. The shortages are more to do with politics.
simwatts 1 year ago
the disease.. No doubt this will be something else blamed on a retro virus. Although there official stance at the moment is that sufferers are delusional. How can Monsanta, who killed 15 million people, have free reign on genetically modifying anything and not need approval.
simwatts 1 year ago
How can people still deny HIV / AIDS? How can a sufferer no less deny it.
Perplexes the shit out of me.
Regardless she was pretty damn good looking, probably not towards the end though :?
passwordresetisbroke 1 year ago
@passwordresetisbroke She was good looking lovely person. I am not denying anything about AIDS. I dont think you understand the point. The mechanisms for causing Aids are not understood, and until we start using proper scientific procedures to investigate the problem then we will always have this horrid disease. We have to look at other factors that could have triggered it. It may be HIV, HIV with a co factor, or nothing to do with HIV and nutrition as the discoverer of HIV believes.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts 3 things.
1. Why reply to a fairly obvious throw away comment? (IE one that is just meant to show the commenters disdain, rather than provoke any dialog) (Don't bother answering I don't really care)
2. SIV/FIV etc. have all been shown to cause Immunodeficiency. HIV is no different.
3. She killed her daughter. She wasn't a lovely person.
4 Leave me alone.
That is all.
passwordresetisbroke 1 year ago
There is a 50 thousand pound reward. I think it is 100 thousand pound to prove hiv causes aids. I think you could win it. Why dont you go in for it.
simwatts 1 year ago
(1) Evidence in the form of an anecdote or hearsay is called anecdotal if there is doubt about its veracity; the evidence itself is considered untrustworthy.
simwatts 1 year ago
Pitfalls of Thinking: Anecdotal Evidence
From: C0nc0rdance | 25 April 2010 | 11,274 views
Relying on anecdotes is intuitively a bad idea, but why? When we rely on a very small sample of outcomes, the results may not represent the population as a whole. This is the basis of gambling, alternative medicine, and it's something that science based medicine has very carefully removed from the process.
simwatts 1 year ago
I just watched one of your videos. That was on GM foods. Another company Monsanta, similar to the drug companies. Completely baffling how you can just let this happen without even so much as a thought. They put genes from antibiotics, 2 viruses some other plant, and something they cant remember, just so it works with round up ready weed killer. This is from a company that already killed 15 million people with agent orange. Shows naivety i think.
simwatts 1 year ago
Are you Concordance in disguise. You have Best of Youtube - C0nc0rdance
on your playlist. Someone on the other videos says you change your name, and reply to questions as a different person. I dont understand that.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts So now you're accusing C0nc0rdance of using a fake account to call you a conspiracy theorist!?!?.
How thick could someone get, really.
Let me whip my tin foil hat for a sec and think why there's zero content or activity on simwatts channel. What would he use that account for?..uhm.. It's a conspiracy I tell ya!. Now excuse me while I go watch Alex jones' channel..
mku17ra 1 year ago
@mku17ra I dont want any activity on my channel thanks. Your channel is just full of concordance videos. While you are mentioning about Monsanta. Why dont you check the wiki page for agent orange wikipediadotorg/wiki/Agent_Orange. Its shocking. You tell me how Monanta, and the HIV industry are allowed to make and influence US laws. They are freely allowed to modify food genes. Now Morgellons disease came about, there official line is that hundreds of thousands of sufferers are imagining
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts please tell me you are just trolling...otherwise i am gonna start getting really fuckin pissed. also, don't EVER cite wiki as your source, unless you don't want people to take you seriously.
MobileThinker 1 year ago
@MobileThinker Listen Agent orange was made and developed by Monsanta. Its just common knowledge, and wikipedia gives an easy understandable account of Agent Orange. If you want me to quote somewhere else, then please tell me. There is no need to quote a science paper. Just ask people in the country who had this forced on them, or some ex vietnam veterans.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts i have actually spoken to Vietnam veterans, and i am pretty sure most of them have never been exposed to 'agent orange'. also, you should never quote wiki because no one will take you seriously, it isn't even allowed in middle-school.
MobileThinker 1 year ago
@MobileThinker I never quoted them before. Its simple terms for simple people sometimes, to get a point through. Agent Orange is well known though. Are you saying it had no effect. Are you in support of Monsanta who introduced genes of bacteria, ecoli and antibiotics into our food. Are you a denier of agent orange. I think Greenpeace would differ from your point of view.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts i love it when people jump to conclusions based on things i have said that actually had nothing to do with what i said. anyway...i was just saying that most people won't take you seriously if you quote wiki, and that i know a few veterans who were unaffected. and actually i am in support of putting antibiotics in food, if it will help the general population.
MobileThinker 1 year ago
@MobileThinker That has got to be the most dumb statement on here. You do not understand genetics or medical issues one bit. Do you understand that it is not adding antibiotics, but adding a gene from antibiotics. Adding antibiotics anyway, on a regular basis is bad, fungal infections breed, and certain organisms evolve to be resistant to antibiotics. This is not for any purpose apart from it to work with roundup ready Monsanta products. You are adding genes from a virus, or bacteria to plants.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts first, you never stated anything about gene manipulation. second, yest organisms evolve, they will always change. correct me if i am wrong, buy you are against genetically modified food, right? finally, if you do nothing to protect crops, and allow insects to do what they want, you loose a massive amount of the crop, reducing, significantly, the amount that actually makes it to people...also, are you for or against 'organic' food?
MobileThinker 1 year ago
@MobileThinker I dont know if you saw all the news articles today, about the bee population. They have died as a direct result of these methods. Even small amounts can wipe a colony of bees. They are integral to how plants reproduce. I dont see the logic of genetically modifying food to be resistant to a fertilizer that kills all the bees. Concordance who puts all these videos up compares it to selective breeding,of dogs he is full of bad facts and misleading info.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts actually, the majority of gene modification truly is just selective breeding, while there is actual tampering with genes, it comprises a small part of it. now there are drawbacks, but how are we ever gonna move forward if we do not try? should we leave the crops alone, and tell 1 billion people that they need to leave the earth? the earth, with current conditions, cannot support the amount of human life on it...the only answer is either kill people or gene modification, which one?
MobileThinker 1 year ago
@MobileThinker The PR Media tell you there is a problem. Many countries dont even want there crap. In Haiti they actually burned all the Aid from Monsanta. They sent millions. Crops are failing with all this GM ready stuff. It took 10 years for certain breeds of insects, and superweeds to develop. All it does is make it resiliant with round up ready products. Thats all. Bees are a more important integral part of agriculture for pollination. And they do introduce bacteria, antibiotics to plants.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts Bees are less important when we can grow crops without the need for natural pollination. however, bees are more important for a stable ecosystem, compared to the survival the the human species. genetically modified does not only mean more resistant to weeds and bugs, it also means more resistant to the elements as well as larger and more seeds produced. you are seriously only taking a one sided glance at this issue, there is more than just Monsanta and GM resistant crops.
MobileThinker 1 year ago
People like you like to read the media, and have your mind made up for you. Your brain is supposed to question and reason, and make judgements based on information it has assembled, and that is what intelligence is. If Bono says HIV is Aids then it must be true.
simwatts 1 year ago
If people would challenge him, which is what he wants, and prove him wrong, then he would go away. They cant. So they just call him names in the media. And people like you just seem to fall hook line and sinker for the HIV PR. Its about factually proven correct science. Not a theory. HIV is a theory. It is not fact. Some people have difficulty trying to grasp that concept. It was never conclusively proven, and until that point it has to be debated and argued. Like Global warming, like banking.
simwatts 1 year ago
The vermin spewed by the conspiracy theorists is dumbfounding
"Peter Deusberg is a legend. The world needs more people like him. I really cant believe that people still believe that HIV exists, causes AIDS, and that is is contagious. Or even question it."
youtube.com/watch?v=ST_DJmoyhNg
mku17ra 1 year ago
@mku17ra Whats your point on this. I dont understand. You posted a link to another post. Its not a conspiracy theory mate. Its called science. If you cant handle proper scientific protocol, and believe someone investigated for fraud on numerous occasions by different governments ie Gallo, then I feel sorry for you. When you get your facts in order come back. Duesburg has the balls to speak out, and that is why he is a hero. Not some muppet like you who reads magazines and thinks he is a phd!!
simwatts 1 year ago
I dont think you know that AZT can not be admitted to have killed people. They can not afford all the lawsuits. That is the US government by the way. not the drug companies, which approved it without testing. It would bring the US government to its knees.
simwatts 1 year ago
...and simwatts...news flash!! ...there is NO "CURE"!! ...not even for 45 of 70 women!! ...and there cant be ANY side effects of AZT that are so bad, they arent worth taking and saving your childs life!! ...right??
God Bless~
oldhipichk 1 year ago
@oldhipichk You have to see it from her point of view. She survived in a group of women who all died within a year on AZT. If you had seen that and you was still alive 18 years later than everyone else, would you give your child medicine, knowing it had killed everyone else she knew. There is still nothng known about this medicine. People still die on it. By liver failure. There is a lot of wrong, and misleading statistics and science.
simwatts 1 year ago
...we r just trying to help people to save their lives!! ...not that we have nothing else to do, just nothing more important than YOUR LIFE!!
R.I.P. Christine, and baby Eliza Jane~
oldhipichk 1 year ago
Dont be ignorant!! ...if anyone wants to know where to go to get a free test, no matter where u r @, if u cant find it, leave a msg here and i will chk back, and no matter where u r at, i will be happy to find where u can get a FREE TEST!! ..and in most cases, free medicine as well. ...and all the info u can read!! ...CORRECT INFO, from baylor college, and other reliable sources.
..and think abt this...would COncOrdance, or me, for that matter, take this time if we werent positive we're RIGHT?!
oldhipichk 1 year ago
@oldhipichk Listen. Anyone who says they are positive they are correct in this subject is a liar. This is the whole problem For everyone you mention there are a hundred more who survived without the medication. Diseases dont work that way luv. You cant have people surviving without any medication from 1980. Why is that not mentioned. You focus on the ones who died. There are 30 thousand people die in the uk every year with pneumonia. Young and old. It has happened for centuries.
simwatts 1 year ago
please learn from her mistakes!! what she did, ..or didnt do, OBVIOUSLY DID *NOT* WORK!! hiv/aids is a managable disease, and people no longer die of it. ..oh, and to get the record str8...u dont get exposed to hiv and never know it until 10 years l8r. it shows up on a reg western blot hiv test in 8-14 weeks. when they say 5-10 years to show up, thats until u get SICK, if u arent ever tested!! ..and lets face it, we all know when we have taken unnecessary risks. if its been 14 weeks, GET TESTED!
oldhipichk 1 year ago
...were there some magical words i didnt think of to say, that mite have saved their lives? ..she was obviously much more "intelligent" than i was. how was she so uneducated? ..blind? it is quite saddening how this has turned out for them. HIV/AIDS is an accepted illness now, no one would judge her. ..certianly not as much as people have judged her NOT taking steps to save Eliza and herself, thats for sure!! people, please have protected sex. get tested. SAVE YOUR LIFE!! only YOU *can*!!
oldhipichk 1 year ago
when i read that her child had died, it hurt my heart badly!! then hearing that SHE lost the battle as well, ..WHAT A LOSS!! when the little girl died, that should have been her clue 2 get PROPER medical care for herself, so that her son wouldnt grow up w/o his mom? ...and worse, leave her husband to raise him alone!! that poor man was so in love w her that even when he didnt seem 2 agree, he sat quietly, dutifully by her side. as if he were afraid to speak!! ...did " I " try hard enough?
oldhipichk 1 year ago
she could have stopped the meds. how could a woman i thought seemed so intelligent, come to a match of facts, so unarmed?!! there is nothing that could ever happen to me, ..or that i could cause happen to myself, that i would be so ashamed of, that i would even CHANCE the possibility to sacrifice my child over, rather than just be honest with MYSELF, let alone anyone else. who gives a shit, as long as my child would be alive and well??!! ...why couldnt she care enuf 4 her children to even TRY IT
oldhipichk 1 year ago
if she would have listened to me, and many other people, she would still be alive today!! ..more importantly, so would her little girl!! they would still be planning the rest of their lives!! i thought Christine seemed so well spoken, and a beautiful person outside as well. she seemed way too educated to be so ignorant!! made no sense to me. still doesnt. was she so ashamed that she couldnt admit to herself, that she was sick long enough to just try the meds? if she didnt think it was working..
oldhipichk 1 year ago
they could screw eachother to death!! ...LITERALLY! but myself, and everyone else in the audience was baffeled at the selfishness they displayed at not testing their beautiful children!! i held her hand for the moment we had during the break, and i tried to make her hear me, when i begged her to save their babies lives!! i had nothing against Christine, i didnt even know who she was. i only wanted her to give her children a fair chance!!
oldhipichk 1 year ago
...i was set on national t.v., across from Christine, in a debate to test, or not to test. i had no idea who she was, or what her accomplishments were, or anything. all i knew, was that she was HIV+, and she and her husband saw no reason to have protected sex, first of all.. like i told them.. if he wasnt concerned he could die, and she could somehow say how much she loved him yet live with herself taking the risk of stealing the full life he had originally planned, FINE!!
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it just blows me away, that dispite all of the information available now days, people still live on the perpetual "God Syndrome", and believe that their belief alone will somehow make their HIV diagnosis some way, disappear!! how can such ignorance still be alive, with the information we all have available to us today??!!! ...if you have the ability to see this message, you have the ability to educate yourselves!!
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oldhipichk 1 year ago
as you are a danger to proper scientific methods and protocols. You would rather believe a pop star than nobel prize winning scientists.
simwatts 1 year ago
under a mile of ice 10 thousand years ago. That is higher than you can imagine. 5 times higher than the empire state building, but covering thousands of square miles. However the media tells me its my fault. So I must stop farting lol. I really cant believe you actually believe all this. You say its good science because you are told it is. Even though evidence says otherwise. How stupid are you. You are complete fools, who have no objective perception on anything. Stick to watching soap operas.
simwatts 1 year ago
@freemanbrook Whats happened to everyone. I thought you would be able to convince me with your over whelming evidence. I really think you cant answer my questions. Maybe you have doubts yourselves. HIV is similar to global warming. Its one big PR machine. I really thought I would be growing grapes in the outer Hebrides, as this is what the media told me!!!. Common sense tells me the earth has been getting warmer for the last ten thousand years. For instance, in Scotland I would have been
simwatts 1 year ago
How about the side-effects of AZT and retated?
MsMariaFerreira 1 year ago
What does hundreds of billions of pounds of research money do. Well they invented a cream gel that women can use. They tested it on 100 women, and instead of 70 of the 100 getting infected with hiv, only 45 got infected. If that is science??? The fact 45 women got infected, and they are selling it as a possible cure is really scary. What sort of research is that. Its dangerous. They are quick to put any other research down, but their own as long as it earns more dollars.
simwatts 1 year ago
Infact in most cases in Africa, if you die of three symptoms then you have died of aids. The common illnesses pneumonia, weight loss, skin diseases and diarohhea are caused by deficiency in zinc, and it is very common. Its called the bundi criteria i think.
simwatts 1 year ago
Respond to this video...Thats not how viruses work. I told you before. Zinc deficiency causes all the symptoms of Aids. That is well known. Maybe that is what is getting you confused. Zinc deficiency is common in drug users, homosexual men and Africans, and can be passed via breast milk. I posted the published papers.
simwatts 1 year ago
@freemanbrook So who is this vitamin salesman Rath. I have not mentioned him. You have?? I believe in viruses. You make antibodies to them. They are normally harmless after that, or there effects are normally for a few days to a few weeks after. I am a bit suspicious of some supervirus that hides, and then comes out like pokeman, ten years later and starts eating all your t cells, and can only be controlled by very expensive drugs.
simwatts 1 year ago
The media,really made her life horrible . Her life was hell, and she seemed a really nice,genuine person, regardless of her beliefs. It must be really nice for her family to know that people like you dance on her grave, You just completely believe what you read in your magazines, and call her an idiot even though you never met her, or understand the full story.
simwatts 1 year ago
No she was not an idiot. That is a horrid thing to say. She was actually for Aids, and was part of a womans group who spoke about aids issues. All the people on drugs died in her group within a year. Two survivors out of 14 never took drugs, and were alive 18 years later. She lived 18 years longer than the other people who took the AZT.
simwatts 1 year ago
Like I say, I have an open mind about this topic. Lets hope you can too and can read into this subject more, before you start calling people ignorant, a denialist, and twisting facts. It is very important for the whole of science that this disease is looked into properly. There is a real possibility, that a lot of people cant seem to understand that, hiv may not be, or may not solely be the cause of aids. There is also a real possibility it could have been caused by factors such as nutrition.
simwatts 1 year ago
@freemanbrook Intentionally ignorant?? I have done my research. I have a masters in human and computer science, and I enjoy looking into the subject objectively. I work for one of the names you mentioned, and have designed neural networks to look at dna. That is why I am interested. . It is always enlightening when someone comes up with new stuff. I like to look at every angle, but it is infuriating when someone believes in something and they don't know why. They refuse to look at facts,
simwatts 1 year ago
@freemanbrook Where is this statement. I want to add it to a web site?
simwatts 1 year ago
Does this statement exist!!!!. Did you just make it up???. I been searching for an hour. I am quite sure that it would have been mentioned quite a few times in googles search engines.
simwatts 1 year ago
Can you post the link to Montagniers statement. I spent ages looking for it.
simwatts 1 year ago
However they have admitted that their are people without hiv who have aids recently. I am not sure if hiv has changed again. It may cause a whole new range of diseases, so be prepared.
simwatts 1 year ago
Respond to this video...
There are many patients who have classic AIDS symptoms but no HIV. As you say the only reason they have Aids is because they have hiv. The fact people have the same illnesses without HIV is not important to you. We will just ignore that fact shall we. Its bad for statistics.
simwatts 1 year ago
@freemanbrook Lentivirus (lenti-, Latin for "slow") is a genus of slow viruses of the Retroviridae family, I am not sure what you mean here. You are saying it is not common. It is not a virus. I think you maybe agree with me more than you think lol.
simwatts 1 year ago
@freemanbrook questions, and to debate. In other areas of science this is still very much in practice and encouraged, but not in this area. I dont believe some people question anything. I question everything. And if you prove to me that HIV causes AIDS conclusively, and not possibly then I am happy. So now you have to prove to me that HIV causes AIDS.
simwatts 1 year ago
@freemanbrook Not doubting anything you say but I am trying to find this on the internet. insipid bit of denialist trash brings zero results on google. Did you go to houseofnumbersdotorg that is a website from the drug companies. You cannot leave comments on. Or Aidstruth. That is another. Also the word denialist and aids denialist means you deny aids. It is a shallow put down for anyone who questions the cause of aids. That is what science is. That is how it is supposed to work. To openly ask
simwatts 1 year ago
@freemanbrook Just today they mentioned, that HIV can be cured from replacing BONE MARROW. What does that say. Well it says that 100 thousand scientists and billions of pounds, and if it does cause AIDS, they may have got some of the very basics of the disease completely wrong. Unless its evolved again or is a different strain. Maybe there is a strain that lives in the lymphatic system and one in bone marrow, and one in the gut. They did say that this is very expensive compared to their drugs.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts I take it you made that up then. How come with your overwhelming evidence :-). People like you are why it is so easy to make money. You will believe anything, because people tell you to believe something. You need to approach everything in life with an open heart, and an open mind. Never accept anything as fact unless you know its fact. ~What we learned from bankers will tell you one thing. As long as people believed in them, nothing could fail. It was people like you who made them.
simwatts 1 year ago
@freemanbrook There are people with Aids with no HIV. People with HIV with no Aids. What I was saying before was that AIDS symptoms are caused by Zinc deficiency. That is well known but not explained very often. Exactly the same symptoms. The whole industry is saying that there is a common virus, and that the symptoms are caused by this virus.If you can explain the symptoms without the virus affecting these groups, then there is a strong possibility the virus does not need to be in the equation.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts These groups being, gay men, drug users, African or developing countries. These are the main likely groups who develop AIDS.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts
How disappointing. You and I, through the process of scientific hypothesis falsification, clearly showed that Zn deficiency did not correlate with AIDS prevalence. We falsified your hypothesis that Zinc deficiency rates would correlate to AIDS prevalence in at least six countries or regions.
When you have personally participated in falsifying a hypothesis, yet you still cling to it, that's called denialism.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
Normally he would be branded through the PR bandwagon as an Aids denialist They cant, because he discovered HIV lol. Not only that they stole his work, and tried to make money off it. Bob Gallo said it was his idea, and that is how the whole industry began. He has sued. He has also previously mentioned that there was a possibility HIV is benign, or harmless.
simwatts 1 year ago
@freemanbrook “If you take a poor African who’s been infected and you build up their immune system, is it possible for them to also naturally get rid of it [HIV]?”. Montagnier responds, “I would think so…It’s important knowledge that is completely neglected. People always think of drugs and vaccines.”
simwatts 1 year ago
@freemanbrook So who would you believe. Luc Montagnier, the man who found HIV and won the Nobel Prize for the discovery or the bankers and drug companies.
simwatts 1 year ago
@freemanbrook That is exactly what I am saying. It is the collapse of the immune system. I dont think you understand what I was saying. If you watch this video from the discoverer of HIV you might understand HIV does exist, but as you may understand the mechanisms were never proven conclusively. Just because HIV exists it is not necessarily the cause. It may have a minor, major or no role whatsoever. The immune system is the key. Not HIV. youtube.com/watch?v=tKyIBYKoT20
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts So who would you believe. The man who found HIV and won the Nobel Prize or the bankers and drug companies.
simwatts 1 year ago
Check this out. /watch?v=n4eMkdYhaZE&NR=1&feature=fvwp. You can freely research other theories in Italy by the way, and some other countries. That is how it should be.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts
Would it interest you to know that Dr. Ruggiero has never worked with HIV? He's a pediatric radiologist. He's also a coauthor with Peter Duesberg, and author of a paper in Med Hypotheses in 2009 that was withdrawn for "lack of quality".
You need to start questioning where your information comes from. Apply that skeptical mind to your own position.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance I just posted that. Just found it intersting : It was about Yamamoto wasnt it. He was the virologist he was mentioning. Thought you may have heard of him because he was supposed to have published virology papers.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts
For the record, there is nothing preventing someone from doing research on anything they like. The ICR does "creation research". The Discovery Institute do "ID research".
Peter Duesberg could take some of the money from his speaker fees, the sales of books, the money he's gotten from Rath Vitamins, Inc. to sell their products and use them to generate some data in support of his hypothesis.
He should start by setting his lab up to handle HIV, which he has never worked with.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance I never qouted Peter Duesburg. Not that I have got anything against him, However, he, is a pioneer in his work with cancer and other diseases. People seem to neglect the fact he is one of the top scientists in the world. He was working with retroviruses around 45 years ago, first, to characterise their structural proteins, He isolated the first cancer gene. Also admitted to academy of science. So why cut his funding because of speaking out. Why not welcome it and prove him wrong.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts
Peter Duesberg is not one of the top scientists in the world. Let me give you a simple illustration in number of hits in PubMed, the database of research papers :
Montagnier L (311)
Gallo RC (892)
Goldstein MR (178) cholesterol
Murad F (330) NO2 expert
Gilman A (332) G-proteins
Duesberg PH (145)
We can repeat the exercise with impact factors, if you prefer.
Duesberg has published ONE paper since 2003 that wasn't retracted by the journal.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance What has that got to do with it??. So being the first to map the cancer gene, and retroviruses does not count, probably before you was born. Also being on the Academy of Science. Its just about getting work published.Is that what science has become. I dont know how aware you was of difficulties for other scientists getting work published. I suggest you watch the Gallo link I sent you. Montganier tried and tried to get something published and the only way was to go through Gallo.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts
No, the first cancer gene was isolated by Bishop and Varmus. Duesberg was just sequencing it after their discovery in 1979, which earned them the Nobel for discovering oncogenes. Varmus has 393 hits, Bishop has 500, by the way.
Duesberg has never worked with a single lentivirus, a very specialized class of retroviruses known about for over 150 years. He has never been funded to study them, and he does not have the capability or experience to work with HIV.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
That is why we should evaluate from the beginning. Go back in time. Re evaluate everything in a proper scientific manner Form a unbiased group. Could mistakes be made. Could we have got things wrong. Is it healthy to disregard everyone who questions the hypothesis. Are there financial interests. Is it a disease. Is it malnutrition. What is AIDS?? You tell me your definition.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts As you mentioned with Einstein. He got things wrong. But he admitted that. But what he got right was so conclusive noone can prove him wrong.
simwatts 1 year ago
If it carries on at the rate it is evolving it may overtake us in intelligence.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts The point is it is something causes a catastrophic collapse of the immune system. That is WHAT AIDS IS. That is all it is!!!. A collapse of the immune system, not a group of diseases .It was decided early on it was a disease. Some statistical evidence that might be true, might be a co factor, or might be completely wrong. Anyone who says that they know they are completely correct in this area is a liar. The human brain and body is more complex than we can comprehend.
simwatts 1 year ago
journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/652864
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts
You keep sending dead links. Can you please cite articles as:
Journal (Year) Volume: Page ? Even first author and title would be beneficial. I work within 5 minutes of a major medical library, it would be no problem to pull the articles.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
Questions had been raised over the use of zinc because HIV thrives on zinc for its structure. Every cell needs zinc not just hiv. All Immunological functions require zinc.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts
Yes, zinc is important. It plays a role in zinc finger proteins, cofactors for enzymes, and it's part of the ionic balance of the cell. You find it in ceruloplasm, and it competes with copper in certain enzymes.
However, we are quite familiar with zinc deficiency. It does not cause AIDS. If it did, we could rescue the symptoms with supplements. We would see a pattern of disease based on dietary intake. We could measure the deficiency in serum.
Your hypothesis is falsified.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance OK. What is AIDS. Can you define it. Its the most incredible diverse set of diseases. A group of diseases they add to once in a while. I think there were two or three originally. Most are the same as diseases caused by zinc deficiency, and explains fluctuations in T cell counts. Who decides what AIDS is. Do you do that. Not only does the virus change so does AIDS. It is the most incredibly intelligent virus ever, and has evolved into this shape changing assassin.
simwatts 1 year ago
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4463920.stm This is from 2005. Note that although it gets rid of effects "There is now an internationally agreed commitment to increase antiretroviral treatment access for children, and while this study is interesting, we must be careful not to allow its findings to shift attention away from this aim of supplying universal access to antiretroviral therapy for all children who need it.". People with a healthy, balanced diet should not normally be deficient in zinc.
simwatts 1 year ago
ajfand.net/Issue-VII-files/IssueVII-Peer%20Reviewed%20Article%20-%20Mbakaya.htm
simwatts 1 year ago
This was the retraction. Apparently in his own words. ?? From a purely political point of view, Mbeki’s standpoint is admirable to some, given the harsh history Africa has had with the West. However, this should not mean that HIV does not cause AIDS. He has pledged to reaffirm the official government position in support of the scientifically demonstrated link between HIV infection and AIDS.
Mbeki’s position notwithstanding, HIV does exist. And it is the cause of AIDS.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts Point is Why. Regardless of whether hiv is the cause or not. Why was his research dismissed. They even went to say that his tablets were dearer in any case. Every angle. It was proven that they had a drastic and instant effect. This was later dismissed and they will not repeat the experiment saying that it distracts from the drugs.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts Note- Notice the clever wording. The retraction is mentioning Mbeki not Mbakaya. Mbeki is the South African leader who was criticised for the AIDS upserge. They somehow merged the two together. Even though they are different countries. And then made it look like Mbakaya had retracted comments. He never did anything apart from undergo a study on Zinc and try to publish his findings. This really hit a nerve.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts FACTUALLY INCORRECT. As much as HIV/AIDS has become an industry, now is not the time to challenge the “HIV causes AIDS” theory, not when it has become the single biggest killer of human beings on earth.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts in any case the cost of anti-retrovirals is now less than Sh6,000 per month, down over 95 per cent a year ago. The proposed cost of the zinc nutrition supplement is Sh300 for three sachets a day which translates to Sh9,000 a month, one half more than the cost of proven, properly tested medicine.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts NOTE THAT HE NEVER QUESTIONED THE HIV AIDS THEORY. JUST PUBLISHED A STUDY.
simwatts 1 year ago
There was some remarkable research by Charles Mbakaya. He was experimenting with Zinc. It really hit a nerve with the AIDS industry. They made him retract his claims. I think he managed to get some papers published but that was on of his experiments.
simwatts 1 year ago
VIUSID, reduces the viral load in HIV positive individuals by more than 50 percent, and, in 19 percent of the patients, it reduced it to undetectable levels. Within three months of using the supplement, 80 per cent of the patients reported that signs and symptoms associated with HIV had resolved, and opportunistic infections had disappeared. Clinically, the VIUSID supplement, which is produced by a Spanish company, has no marked side effects.
simwatts 1 year ago
The whole point is that we are told this was a new disease. The symptoms are not new, and yet have been known about since the 60s, or when the first studies of Zinc were conducted. Most people who die of pneumonia, have diarrhoea and weight loss in Africa, which is common, may have died from Zinc deficiency. They are the same symptoms. They make a diagnosis based on this. That is the criteria for saying someone died of AIDS.
simwatts 1 year ago
Check the part "This is clearly a case of malnutrition. You should get hair clippings for zinc". This is from the world expert in immunoligy.
simwatts 1 year ago
By the way I have evidence that they knew at the time that lack of Zinc caused AIDS related symptoms. That was from Robert Good, the father of modern immunology. It was his research assistant who went to the CDC because he didnt believe him and said it was a contagious disease affecting gay men. From the article it says that gay men are zinc deficient. This is similar to the scurvy epidemic. Because it affected a group it was believed it was a contagious disease.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts ie. It was affecting specific groups who were in contact with each other, led to a theory that this is something that is spread by sexual activity, and was somehow detracting from the other research done with Zinc deficiency at the time.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts
Good theories are predictive. Agreed? If I can predict with statistical accuracy who will progress to AIDS, I've got a useful tool.
HIV status is predictive for AIDS progression. Zinc deficiency is not. 92% of HIV+ patients eventually progress to AIDS. HIV+ patients are 160 times more likely to develop AIDS than HIV- patients. There's no other risk factor that even comes close at being predictive of AIDS progression.
That's the fact denialism conceals.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@simwatts
I'm still waiting on any citations from you.
I queries "MSM zinc" in Medline, and there's only one article. J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr. 2000 Oct 1;25, but their conclusion was more related to selenium's role than zinc. There's absolutely nothing in the literature to support that zinc is a primary etiology for AIDS progression. It contributes to the pathology, yes, but is not precipitave.
A simple test would be if supplementation stopped disease progression, which it doesn't.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance I will send you the zinc papers. Just one thing Concordance. I am not a denialist. This term is used rather loosely for anyone who questions the hypothesis. That is wrong. Aids the disease I believe in. I only question the mechanisms. That is healthy and if you follow a particular paradigm it is up to you to prove me wrong. This is a "in their own words" interview from one of the so called founders of the AIDS virus. You are intelligent so I am sure you can pick holes in this.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts
I'm not sure why you bring up the fact that the initial AIDS patients repeatedly tested negative for zinc deficiency?
Actually the default position is always the one currently supported by the preponderance of evidence. We've already falsified your hypothesis repeatedly. It makes predictions we know are false, and fails to be as explanatory or predictive as the current model.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance Because it needs to be investigated. All avenues need to be investigated and properly explored. You cant conduct science with blinkers on. And when your theory gets contradicted call them a denialist in the media. There are a lot of holes in the HIV theory. I am not saying that HIV does not exist is not the cause, but lets look at it from the beginning. Could mistakes have been made. I have made some rather revealing points there. With evidence.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts The whole AIDS symptom thing was not new. The same symptoms happened to zinc deficient patients. The whole AIDS thing was thought because it was targetting a specific group who were in contact with each other. ie I point to history';s mistakes with scurvy, and the 100s of years looking for a virus or parasite. The fact is if you can get the same AIDS symptoms without HIV in the equation that targets gay men, drug users, and Africans, can pass from mother to baby, can be passed
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts via blood. Then HIV does not need to be in the equation.
simwatts 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance history.nih.gov/NIHInOwnWords/docs/masur_01.html
simwatts 1 year ago
If you notice Robert Good f said it was Zinc deficiency or malnutrition. The top guy. The researchers serendipitous moment lol he went to the CDC. The whole basis for AIDS is that it was a disease and not a zinc deficiency. It was not new. ie Gay men and drug users were not zinc deficient. The previous paper I sent you conclusively proves that Homosexual men were zinc deficient. That is the same with drug users,. People in Africa, and homosexuals. How else can put all these groups together.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts Also understand PCP is not a rare disease. The fungal was not widespread in the USA. It was also not that rare in America.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts
What? You seem to be contradicting yourself, so I can't figure out what you are trying to indicate.
Pneumocystis is an airborne sporulating/trophozoite fungus. Cysts are probably in the room you are in right now. It's been found in every animal we've ever looked for it in. It's just near impossible to culture on a plate (ex vivo).
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@simwatts Also if you notice. Dr. [Robert] Gallo's group, for example, was an independent entity that did not wish to maintain communication with our group. They got their own specimens and made progress independently of our group. That was the way it began.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts Also if you notice Robert Gallo did not have his own specimens. He pinched them of montganier, and tried to claim that it was his own work. Also if you notice Montganier the discoverer of HIV, the one who won the nobel prize believes me rather than you. ie he says it is due to oxiditive stress and malnutrition. Fauci he ridicules. However you will still believe bad science, corruption. I bet you believed bankers. You would not believe how ridiculed I got to question them.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatt
I admire skepticism when it is equally applied. What are your sources for the evil things that Robert Gallo did? Is it a reputable history book? Can you cite it for me, please?
Likewise, what are your sources for Montagnier's claim? Is it a denialist interview? Has he made any further statements on the topic, clarifications, for example? Does his published work reflect those statements?
You are being propagandized, simwatts, fed false data. You just aren't aware of it.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance The BBC did a documentary. ?v=BQ4i7LE1AUA. It gives an insight into his character.
simwatts 1 year ago
@simwatts
I've asked for the paper to be cited properly, please. The link was broken.
I really don't care if Robert Good thinks AIDS is caused by microscopic wolverines. The fact is that he has 20 well-published papers on HIV and its etiological relationship to AIDS. He's also published on zinc, but never as a causative agent in AIDS progression.
Are you getting this? You need actual data in support of your hypothesis. Do you have any?
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@simwatts
You need to stop using names as evidence. Unless the data is published in a refereed source, I'm not that interested in it. It's not as though anyone in science has some privileged secret knowledge. I know as much as Luc Montagnier about immunology, or I at least have access to the same material. I probably know a good deal more about the non-primate lentiviruses. He may have read some of my papers and learned from my research. I don't know.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
i downloaded the journal. I have a few more. I will get them tomorrow.
acrobat.com/#d=LZOUtSEC7jBiuIr8CMKiWg
simwatts 1 year ago